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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Chat - Non Pinball/coin-opp Discussion => Topic started by: Cow Corner on January 11, 2014, 05:41:35 AM
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This is nothing more than thuggery masquerading as a sport and it should be banned. This is not ancient Rome, this is 2014.
I would argue that it is a pretty fair bet that many of the young people that idolise this so called sport are also the ones getting fuelled up on roids, grog and god knows whatever else for no other reason than to look for fight or a innocent to beat on.
Anyone who throws the coward punch and puts someone in hospital should be charged with attempted murder. If unfortunately the victim dies then the charge is murder. Simple.
Lifting the drinking age back to 21, bring back early closing times for pubs and make the publicans more accountable for rsa would also make a hell of a lot of sense.
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Yes , people need to be wrapped up in cotton wool for their ow safety
I an so glad you took the time to post this, it shows you care
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This may be a bit off topic but is tied in.
I don't really like UFC is about as directly related as I will get.
It seems there is a preoccupation in media to focus on negitive ie behavior if youth. The good that youth do is far larger than the crap we seen on TV. What is presented is a very limited view of reality.
Alcohol abuse and violence is not a new thing. Finding it unacceptable may be new.
Where I grew up, western Sydney, proofter bashing, wog bashing, getting on the piss, rooting sluts and plenty more used to be fairly common terms used. Sorry if you don't like the language.
It was not too unusual to hear stories of young men getting drunk/ paralytic, fighting and then remembering nothing. Next day they would brag about it.
It was brutal. It was savage. It wasn't good. It wasn't new. It's it new now.
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A friend of mine was king hit four years ago and died as a result. Prosecution failed and the jury couldn't bring themselves to convict, despite there being strong evidence that my friend did not commit any act of aggression, and none to suggest anything other than a single blow by the perpetrator.
I recall lots of fights from my youth, I don't recall a single death though.
Yes, perhaps its the media "sensationalizing" this issue - I find it hard to understand how something like this getting media attention is a bad thing.
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I think the Romans were far more civilized than the "sport" of UFC. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling is a sport. WWF/WWE Wrestling is entertainment - carefully scripted and enacted by Stuntmen/athletes.
UFC is simply some sort of neanderthal rubbish that is an embarrassment to Boxing. If it ever goes mainstream, then we will have big social problems !
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A friend of mine was king hit four years ago and died as a result. Prosecution failed and the jury couldn't bring themselves to convict, despite there being strong evidence that my friend did not commit any act of aggression, and none to suggest anything other than a single blow by the perpetrator.
I recall lots of fights from my youth, I don't recall a single death though.
Yes, perhaps its the media "sensationalizing" this issue - I find it hard to understand how something like this getting media attention is a bad thing.
Yeah that's absolute shit.
I'm not saying that bringing evil out of the dark is a bad thing. I do think that it actually encourages some and also is out if balance.
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How is boxing a spot?
The aim is to inflict brain injury
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How is boxing a spot?
The aim is to inflict brain injury
Personally, I don't see Boxing as a sport either, when the idea is harm your opponent or knock them unconscious, I see it as barbaric. But it is sanctioned as a sport, as so is WWE. We all know WWE is "sports entertainment".
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Boxing is not a sport, it is another sham.
The Romans were not as civilised as you may like to think, cultured savages.
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I think the Romans were far more civilized than the "sport" of UFC. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling is a sport. WWF/WWE Wrestling is entertainment - carefully ******ed and enacted by Stuntmen/athletes.
UFC is simply some sort of neanderthal rubbish that is an embarrassment to Boxing. If it ever goes mainstream, then we will have big social problems !
It is already mainstream, it is the fastest growing sport ( hic) on the planet.
I know of kids as young as 9 getting into the ring in sanctioned bouts.
Yes that is true kids as young as 9 in the ring, supported and cheered on by the parents.
WTF is wrong with this picture!
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Yes , people need to be wrapped up in cotton wool for their ow safety
I an so glad you took the time to post this, it shows you care
Now that makes no sense at all and is just crap.
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This is nothing more than thuggery masquerading as a sport and it should be banned. This is not ancient Rome, this is 2014.
I would argue that it is a pretty fair bet that many of the young people that idolise this so called sport are also the ones getting fuelled up on roids, grog and god knows whatever else for no other reason than to look for fight or a innocent to beat on.
Anyone who throws the coward punch and puts someone in hospital should be charged with attempted murder. If unfortunately the victim dies then the charge is murder. Simple.
Lifting the drinking age back to 21, bring back early closing times for pubs and make the publicans more accountable for rsa would also make a hell of a lot of sense.
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Wow.. What a load of rubbish for the most part. I agree with the part that if someone does as a result of a cowardly king hit then yes it should be charged as murder, but the rest of what you say is utter rubbish. Obviously you either haven't been out in a while or don't know that many young people.. And for the last part way to make the world boring
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Some interesting views here.
UFC is dramatically more civilised than the Romans n the Colleseum. I haven't seen UFC fighters getting fed to Lions or mowed down by chariots with spiked bladed wheels. No one to my knowledge has died in the real UFC shows. Unlike boxing (which is all punching to the head hundreds of times) UFC incorporates both wrestling, and many varietys of martial arts. Also, boxing is badly rigged n very corrupt. Havent seen that in UFC yet and I am a big fan n follow the sport closely.
I did martial arts for apx 15 yrs when younger (Japaneese Shotokan Karate if u want to get technical) and its saved my life a good half a dozen times over my 44 yrs when a pack of drunks have decided to attack the loner walking down the street).
Kids these days are encouraged to go to a gym n learn boxing or UFC rather than taking it to the street. Ofcourse, there are always going to be the idiots who are cowards n attack people in public for no reason), but UFC is professionally run and fighters are 99 percent professional and always shake hands before n after a fight (vast majority).
Unlike USA very popular wrestling, UFC fighters don't hit people over the head with chairs (stacks of fans in professional wrestling are kids) and Pro Wrestling shows people getiing hit over n over n over again when they are play acting hurt etc. You never see that in UFC.
I think theres a place for everything in life n sport. When u start to see weapons n lions introduced into the UFC cage, then I will say ban it, but I don't see the world speaking latin again anytime soon or throwing Christians over the UFC cage for the combatants to pumble....
UFC is professional. Ever seen the most beautiful champion Rhonda Rousey (oooo laaaaaa laaaaa) She is hot.
Imagine if she was your wife, U wouldn't want to argue much, you would be arm barred in about ten seconds n your balls squashed in 3 seconds.lol
check this link
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=ronda+rousey&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4MDNA_enAU475AU477&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=IfLQUo_hIInnkAXBh4GoAg&sqi=2&ved=0CJcBEIke&biw=1366&bih=565
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Only a thug or a fool would enjoy this crap and think of it as entertainment....and that's the problem, society is full of easily led fools and braindead thugs.
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Just because you probably have no skills or ability to do any of this stuff yourself doesn't mean it's somthing only brain dead thugs would do..
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Just because you probably have no skills or ability to do any of this stuff yourself doesn't mean it's somthing only brain dead thugs would do..
Skill...... :lol that is a skill I don't want and society doesn't need.
Ban it, there is no need for this shite. Society has developed beyond this. It's embarrassing to see the levels that humans will drag themselves down to.
Pathetic really.
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Haha ok mate whatever you reckon then..
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Haha ok mate whatever you reckon then..
Plenty of roids at St George eh?
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!@# ok then
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Boxing was a sport till money got involved.
Wrestling well what can u say.
UFC. It's brutall but if they won't to get in the ring so be it. They always shake hands afterwards. Doesn't really interest me tho.
These twits that throw punches when drunk are the issue or not drunk. U have a fist u hit. U have attempted murder or murdered u get delt with by the law.
The law is the issue and the judges. The crime doesn't fit the time I say.
Plus the government need to spend more on jails and not listen to do gooders.
Look after the victim not the thug. But hey they might be depressed or a drug user or from a single parent family or a alcholic whi just loat his job or lost his blankey when he was little. You only need a excuse now days to get away with anything.
19 yr old here was supplying meth making a fortune he got 2 months and good behavour hmm thought they got shot in Asia.
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Only a thug or a fool would enjoy this crap and think of it as entertainment....and that's the problem, society is full of easily led fools and braindead thugs.
I am neither a thug nor a fool. If u have a different view, that is fine, but plain out insulting people makes u look extremely disrespectful plus many many other poor things Daz.....
And as for saying that you don't need the skills, I would like to see you outside on the street oneday if someone/a pack of drunks/teenagers attacked you....what are you going to do to defend yourself, phone up mummy ?
The difference is, people with skills would be able to walk away probably unhurt, where as people who have no experience in defending themselves get a free ride in an ambulance to the local intensive care unit.....also, what are you going to do if u are out one night with your wife n kids n someone attacks your family, ask them nicely to stop 45 times as they ignore you and make mince meat of your family......lets get realistic, these sports all start off as defensive sports n have a real life application to keep people safe all over the world.......or u can just ring mummy n hope for the best.lol %$%
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The UFC should be sponsored by KFC.
:lol
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Only a thug or a fool would enjoy this crap and think of it as entertainment....and that's the problem, society is full of easily led fools and braindead thugs.
I am neither a thug nor a fool. If u have a different view, that is fine, but plain out insulting people makes u look extremely disrespectful plus many many other poor things Daz.....
And as for saying that you don't need the skills, I would like to see you outside on the street oneday if someone/a pack of drunks/teenagers attacked you....what are you going to do to defend yourself, phone up mummy ?
The difference is, people with skills would be able to walk away probably unhurt, where as people who have no experience in defending themselves get a free ride in an ambulance to the local intensive care unit.....also, what are you going to do if u are out one night with your wife n kids n someone attacks your family, ask them nicely to stop 45 times as they ignore you and make mince meat of your family......lets get realistic, these sports all start off as defensive sports n have a real life application to keep people safe all over the world.......or u can just ring mummy n hope for the best.lol %$%
Pot black =kettle?
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Only a thug or a fool would enjoy this crap and think of it as entertainment....and that's the problem, society is full of easily led fools and braindead thugs.
I am neither a thug nor a fool. If u have a different view, that is fine, but plain out insulting people makes u look extremely disrespectful plus many many other poor things Daz.....
And as for saying that you don't need the skills, I would like to see you outside on the street oneday if someone/a pack of drunks/teenagers attacked you....what are you going to do to defend yourself, phone up mummy ?
The difference is, people with skills would be able to walk away probably unhurt, where as people who have no experience in defending themselves get a free ride in an ambulance to the local intensive care unit.....also, what are you going to do if u are out one night with your wife n kids n someone attacks your family, ask them nicely to stop 45 times as they ignore you and make mince meat of your family......lets get realistic, these sports all start off as defensive sports n have a real life application to keep people safe all over the world.......or u can just ring mummy n hope for the best.lol %$%
Pot black =kettle?
I used to watch pot black on the abc when I was a kid.
Great show, now those guys had some skill.
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K Mart n Big W only have white kettles available. Sorry fellas, not black pots/kettles available or relevant here.lol %.%
Back on topic. Each to their own. Like whatever sport u want. Pinball is a sport. We should focus on that one. ^^^
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Pinball is not a sport and neither is ufc.
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People making poor choices is the problem. If the choices don't effect others then there's not much if a problem.
I really don't like sport any more. Personally I think it is used to distract people from important issues that are mainly hidden.
I choose to ignore sport where I can. I guess a lot of people choose to like UFC so that's good for them.
It's good to have choice. It's a pity that people make poor choices. In a society that models and glorifies violence it's no wonder people choose to follow that behavior.
Where are our leaders today? What ever happened to values such as compassion, equality an humility?
A lot has been replaced by greed and ego.
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At least 99.99 percent of people in the pinball industry n hobby are the nicest people u could ever meet on the planet.
I think pinball calms a lot of people down. !#%
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I have to say I'm no fan of the UFC. I used to be a big boxing fan and follow all the big time fights, but I lost interest in it years ago. Id rather watch a five day cricket test match.
I don't think the UFC should be banned. You will see far more injuries in league and union for example. The UFC is not going away either. It's one of the fastest growing sports in the world.
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I think that on the whole you will only need to defend yourself if you get in trouble, and generally you only get in trouble if you go looking for trouble. It was mentioned earlier that martial arts saved a members life half a dozen times, to defend themselves from a mass bashing. Now I have no martial arts skills, nor have I ever had the need, or been in the situation to defend myself from a mass bashing.. What's right with this picture.?
Contempt breeds Contempt.
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Growing up in the late eighties I lived in Kings Cross in Sydney. Every night was like a drunken rock concert with thousands of people lined up n down the streets with plenty to do n see. Bikers, tattoo shops, live sex shows in those days n ten pubs n ten night clubs, it was so unique. It was a very rough place. It didn't have to be a Friday or Saturday night for the strip to be a circus. A very fun but dangerous place at the time.
Sydney members will know what I am talking about here.
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Stay on target!
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Ban the UFC - what an absolute F**KING joke.
I am sick , so SICK of people blaming things like UFC for whats happening in society- FFS open your damn eyes.
The 'issue' started 30+ years ago when the tree hugging, no cane at school, everyone gets a trophy brigade were ALLOWED to become powerful and have heavy influence on our society that has , over the decades , led to a lack of respect from some of the dickheads in the current generation for parents, teachers, coppers and authority in general.
ADD to that the heavy mix of crazy 'substances' now available AND the fact that youth of today , like it or not, are getting more bulked up and stronger in general be it through natural methods , roids or other gear .........add in the fact that parents have been told to tell little Johnny for the last 30 years how GOOD he is at everything ( because you cant be negative - EVER apparently, by telling him that he aint really that good at something, so therefore he feels he is GREAT all the time ) and we end up with little Johnny in 2013/2014 that thinks he is the king shit of the block, is stronger than ever before, has NO RESPECT for ANYONE or ANYTHING, has NO FEAR of ANYONE or ANYTHING, thinks he NEVER does ANYTHING WRONG , has never been disciplined and goes out on the town sinks some grog, does other stuff and THERE you have the troublemaker - already pre-made over the last 30 years, just fire him up and send him out on the town and WHAMMO - one instant f*ckwit potentially.
Now times THAT scenario by society today and you potentially have thousands of these lunatics - we are lucky that only a few react as they do and most likely they already START as a low intelligence human being BEFORE the tree huggers programming kicked in anyway
It has NOTHING to do with the highly skilled martial artists and fighters in the UFC.
I have a ( nearly ) 16YO son, he aint big and I already think about how he will be in a few years when out and about - but not ONCE have / or will consider the UFC is THE cause of todays idiotic youth that do these coward hits.
We watch the UFC and bellator MMA in our home - happily !
Grow up.
Give cops back FULL power, close pubs earlier and THATS a start ( as was proven in newcastle in 2012 on a trial ) - but it will never happens as the $$ the Governement gets from the extra sales is too much to sway it - so get ready to see all the news stories of the local State Governments APPEARING concerned - its all smoke and mirrors.
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Ban the UFC - what an absolute F**KING joke.
I am sick , so SICK of people blaming things like UFC for whats happening in society- FFS open your damn eyes.
The 'issue' started 30+ years ago when the tree hugging, no cane at school, everyone gets a trophy brigade were ALLOWED to become powerful and have heavy influence on our society that has , over the decades , led to a lack of respect from some of the dickheads in the current generation for parents, teachers, coppers and authority in general.
ADD to that the heavy mix of crazy 'substances' now available AND the fact that youth of today , like it or not, are getting more bulked up and stronger in general be it through natural methods , roids or other gear .........add in the fact that parents have been told to tell little Johnny for the last 30 years how GOOD he is at everything ( because you cant be negative - EVER apparently, by telling him that he aint really that good at something, so therefore he feels he is GREAT all the time ) and we end up with little Johnny in 2013/2014 that thinks he is the king shit of the block, is stronger than ever before, has NO RESPECT for ANYONE or ANYTHING, has NO FEAR of ANYONE or ANYTHING, thinks he NEVER does ANYTHING WRONG , has never been disciplined and goes out on the town sinks some grog, does other stuff and THERE you have the troublemaker - already pre-made over the last 30 years, just fire him up and send him out on the town and WHAMMO - one instant f*ckwit potentially.
Now times THAT scenario by society today and you potentially have thousands of these lunatics - we are lucky that only a few react as they do and most likely they already START as a low intelligence human being BEFORE the tree huggers programming kicked in anyway
It has NOTHING to do with the highly skilled martial artists and fighters in the UFC.
I have a ( nearly ) 16YO son, he aint big and I already think about how he will be in a few years when out and about - but not ONCE have / or will consider the UFC is THE cause of todays idiotic youth that do these coward hits.
We watch the UFC and bellator MMA in our home - happily !
Grow up.
Give cops back FULL power, close pubs earlier and THATS a start ( as was proven in newcastle in 2012 on a trial ) - but it will never happens as the $$ the Governement gets from the extra sales is too much to sway it - so get ready to see all the news stories of the local State Governments APPEARING concerned - its all smoke and mirrors.
Very well said, and how true! :(
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Excuse for being a old fart but what does UFC stand for ? !@#
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Ultimate Fighting Championship - in the 'cage' or Octagon.
A mix of boxing, wrestling and mixed martial arts ( hence it also being referred to as MMA fighting)
It is bloody and brutal - it is NOT the reason why some tool killed a kid with one punch however.
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Excuse for being a old fart but what does UFC stand for ? !@#
LOL- I had to Google it
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Nice Wotto good write up
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Society emulates what it sees and what it is told is acceptable.
No wonder our society is shite.
It is thuggery pure and simple.
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My father in law was a bare knuckle fighter from age 14 to early 20's.. he was told to find his own way in life and joined a travelling circus. You don't get to do that without getting killed unless you have plenty of fighting experience and people who want to kick the shit out of someone.
... Been around since year dot and will continue to do so.
I do however find it alarming that the TV is chock a block full of violence from USA programs yet the same country wont show a womans nipple.....bloody bizarre
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Ultimate Fighting Championship - in the 'cage' or Octagon.
A mix of boxing, wrestling and mixed martial arts ( hence it also being referred to as MMA fighting)
It is bloody and brutal - it is NOT the reason why some tool killed a kid with one punch however.
BUT it is PART of the PROBLEM!
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Stay on Target!
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This topic is like saying" v8 super car racing contributes to the road toll. Only one thing for sure tools will always be tools nothing will ever stop that.
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This topic is like saying" v8 super car racing contributes to the road toll. Only one thing for sure tools will always be tools nothing will ever stop that.
Don't get me started on v8 racing.
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This topic is like saying" v8 super car racing contributes to the road toll. Only one thing for sure tools will always be tools nothing will ever stop that.
Don't get me started on v8 racing.
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I did once read that knitting was the root cause of many a stabbing.. it is a proven fact that prisoners often fashion a "chiv" on a size 14 or 20 knitting needle
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Stay on Target!
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This topic is like saying" v8 super car racing contributes to the road toll. Only one thing for sure tools will always be tools nothing will ever stop that.
Don't get me started on v8 racing.
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I did once read that knitting was the root cause of many a stabbing.. it is a proven fact that prisoners often fashion a "chiv" on a size 14 or 20 knitting needle
Knit one, Pearl one, Stab one!
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your on target
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis
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lol ^^^
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One hit kills.
On this subject. The main causes seem to be , Drugs, Steroids, and hyped up idiots!
Not Alcohol Fuelled Violence more like Steroid/drug Fuelled Aggression!
I wonder have many of these cases that they actually test the accused for steroid and drugs...
The police should do random steroid tests..
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I tend to think a lot of the responsibility here lies with the parents... bored, unloved and un-attended boys that are growing up in a space that has normalised violence instead of love. We come from a warrior (spartan) culture that celebrates battle and winning battles through strength and agression. Banning UFC won't change a thing (I can't stand it, but have plenty of friends who like it) because, as someone pointed out, it's more of a reflection of our society than a driver of behaviour. Same reason why the "ban violent video games" argument doesn't make sense.
To think that parents are more comfortable allowing their teens to watch glamourised violence in the evenings rather than something sex/love related doesn't make sense to me.
I remember ages ago, as a kid sleeping over at a friend's place.. we were watching Arnie's True Lies.. The scene came on where the girl does a strip tease (I forget why..) and by this point dozens of people had been shot to death, blown up or stabbed- murdered, really, but the strip tease was the first time during the movie his mum tried to get us to look the other way. It's fine to watch murder, mayhem, death and not good to watch sex/love/life. There's part of your problem right there.
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