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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Caveoftreasures on February 02, 2016, 11:36:31 PM
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If a 2016 version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pinball was done now based on the ultra modern & very cool
Nickelodeon TMNT current High Def cartoon series, would you buy or want to play a 2016 version of TMNT ?
The current artwork & subject matter in the late 2014, 2015 plus 2016 current series TMNT cartoons are amazingly modern & fun for both kids & adults.
Being a family friendly topic, a cool subject for young kids & for us adults who grew up on TMNT cartoons, it's a instantly recognisable worldwide subject great again for pinball in this modern age.
It could be sited anywhere, and perhaps a hit again for home pinball users.
Would you like to see this famous title remade but modernised as a completely new design by Stern or JJP or whoever.
Thoughts anyone ?
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Forgot to mention,
In the latest TMNT cartoons, the turtles play their own pinball machine that features heavily throughout the series.
The pinball is a 1978 to 1980 style pinny called "Space Heroes" based on the turtles favourite cartoon.
The pinball is in their home called the Lair & all the characters in the cartoon play the pinball machine.
So art/cartoons imitating real life which is cool.
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Popular theme I'd say but not for me :)
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Popular theme I'd say but not for me :)
Thanks for your reply Pete.
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TMNT Data East 1991 was a interesting game for a few technical reasons.
It apparently was the first DE to have a flat hidden flap on the playfield that opened up to reveal a ball popping up mysteriously from under the playfield.
Known as the sewer or manhole pop up.
The machine also featured a full backglass still made of proper glass but had a full mirror effect from its design.
Other than the BAck Glass art featuring April with big boobs for the male market, if you look closely at a 1991 TMNT backglass it has a lot of detail & amazing art you first don't notice til u look very closely at it.
Another great feature was the use of the spinning mechanical round pizza playfield disk which also featured magnets.
I have seen some TMNT games released from factory with magnets and some without which is interesting.
The spinning Pizza decal when replaced looks great.
The game also has great audio and was the first DE from memory with the standard sized very thin Alpha Numeric type DMD that had full DMD artwork & animations instead of just numbers and the animations for their day were quite excellent.
A few people who have owned the game would know you can "clock" the game by hitting every feature/mode and then by completing "Turbo Ginzo" in a timed fast play fest which is fun but not easy.
I thought, after knowing the original TMNT DE pinball very well, plus playing the latest TMNT DVD,s which feature a lot of 2015/2016 tech in the cartoons it might sell well for home use or sited etc ?
It's cool to watch the turtles in the latest cartoons always playing a pinball machine.
Almost most episodes.
You know Pinball is back when it's in one of the latest & worlds largest cartoon series.
I am sure there is a massive pinhead or ten on the production team of the latest cartoon series cause it's no accident the pinball features every cartoon they currently do.
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I also wouldn't be interested in the theme but each to their own.
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Never watched a single second of TMNT so not for either
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What Crashramp is saying, is the forum probably don't mind reading each of your general posts but are tired of the crap posts you send to each other. So I don't want to ignore you or CoT just the posts between you. Any suggestion on a solution?
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What Crashramp is saying, is the forum probably don't mind reading each of your general posts but are tired of the crap posts you send to each other. So I don't want to ignore you or CoT just the posts between you. Any suggestion on a solution?
Exactly
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What Crashramp is saying, is the forum probably don't mind reading each of your general posts but are tired of the crap posts you send to each other. So I don't want to ignore you or CoT just the posts between you. Any suggestion on a solution?
Exactly
Which is what I alluded to in my now deleted post. It wasn't a criticism of Crashramp or yourself. It was advice I gave weeks ago to the same individual.
A simple solution would be for you to just retreat back into your own solipsistic fantasy (the ignore button does work you know) and you won't have to get so stirred up about anything I say in my posts including the posts I make that have no direct effect on you whatsoever.
ON TOPIC:
No one with a mentality over the age of 6 years old is interested in a TMNT pinball. That's why the show is broadcast on Nickelodeon - a children's cartoon channel.
The OP asked for thoughts on this theme in the first post and I am giving mine.
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I have to agree that it seems like a kiddie theme and I have not seen a show so not sure on the target audience. But even from a kid of say nine or so, I always preferred the busty chick, come pool theme, come space adventure themes myself and still prefer the like. Were there any cartoony type pins in the 60's - 90's ish like bugs or mickey etc? I can't recall any???
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What Crashramp is saying, is the forum probably don't mind reading each of your general posts but are tired of the crap posts you send to each other. So I don't want to ignore you or CoT just the posts between you. Any suggestion on a solution?
Exactly
Which is what I alluded to in my now deleted post. It wasn't a criticism of Crashramp or yourself. It was advice I gave weeks ago to the same individual.
A simple solution would be for you to just retreat back into your own solipsistic fantasy (the ignore button does work you know) and you won't have to get so stirred up about anything I say in my posts including the posts I make that have no direct effect on you whatsoever.
ON TOPIC:
No one with a mentality over the age of 6 years old is interested in a TMNT pinball. That's why the show is broadcast on Nickelodeon - a children's cartoon channel.
The OP asked for thoughts on this theme in the first post and I am giving mine.
Most of the time CoT comments or starts a thread you comment trying to get a reaction and the result is the thread goes to shit-I'd say you do it deliberately. Maybe you guys need to ignore each other.
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Pete, thanks mate.
Regarding TMNT, they sold 3750 in 1991 so I wonder if they can sell a new design.
The Current TMNT cartoon stuff is advertised everywhere at JB Hi Fi and Big W n K Mart etc etc.
I only know it's released by Nickelodean cause it's on the packaging.
I obviously don't watch the Nickelodean channel & my 6 yr old son watches older stuff usually but the current TMNT stuff on DVD is really well made & because I purchased the TMNT pin u for my kids, I follow the new stuff cause it's family orientated.
I just wondered whether cartoon styled pins might make a 3750 sales target comeback so to speak to ak.
And yes, I now totally ignore anything Insanity.
Thanks to the members who have commented on TMNT.
Very appreciated.
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Maybe you guys need to ignore each other.
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TMNT -Not a bad idea considering the new themes with long histories Stern puts out. TMNT holds fond memories for some (early 90's) but the series hasn't carried over well into mainstream 2015 consciousness to warrant a successful (units sold) new pin tie-in. Remember it may look impressive on screen but with the tech they got available to create nowadays, people won't accept anything less.
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You prob correct.
The $ to produce a new title might be too much.
Just wondering if the blockbuster TV style stuff like GOT & Walking Dead will continue into the next 2 years.
What does Stern do if band themes & blockbuster GOT TV style stuff doesn't continue ?
Shld they bring back new versions of stuff from the past which did well or do they go to an unlicensed style pin u ?
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What Crashramp is saying, is the forum probably don't mind reading each of your general posts but are tired of the crap posts you send to each other. So I don't want to ignore you or CoT just the posts between you. Any suggestion on a solution?
Exactly
Which is what I alluded to in my now deleted post. It wasn't a criticism of Crashramp or yourself. It was advice I gave weeks ago to the same individual.
A simple solution would be for you to just retreat back into your own solipsistic fantasy (the ignore button does work you know) and you won't have to get so stirred up about anything I say in my posts including the posts I make that have no direct effect on you whatsoever.
ON TOPIC:
No one with a mentality over the age of 6 years old is interested in a TMNT pinball. That's why the show is broadcast on Nickelodeon - a children's cartoon channel.
The OP asked for thoughts on this theme in the first post and I am giving mine.
Most of the time CoT comments or starts a thread you comment trying to get a reaction and the result is the thread goes to shit-I'd say you do it deliberately. Maybe you guys need to ignore each other.
How an individual chooses to react to a comment that is well within the scope of the original topic question is something that is beyond my ability to control.
But that's quality entertainment for me ()
TMNT -Not a bad idea considering the new themes with long histories Stern puts out. TMNT holds fond memories for some (early 90's) but the series hasn't carried over well into mainstream 2015 consciousness to warrant a successful (units sold) new pin tie-in. Remember it may look impressive on screen but with the tech they got available to create nowadays, people won't accept anything less.
Indeed. ()
If anything costs to produce should be less given the diminishment of labour intensity and advancement in automated processes, but as you say the tech has evolved to a point where the subject matter itself is largely obsolete (or uncool to use the vernacular). Pick subject matter that will better resonate with the target demographic like Halo or Minecraft et al and it has a stronger chance of success.
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You prob correct.
The $ to produce a new title might be too much.
Just wondering if the blockbuster TV style stuff like GOT & Walking Dead will continue into the next 2 years.
What does Stern do if band themes & blockbuster GOT TV style stuff doesn't continue ?
Shld they bring back new versions of stuff from the past which did well or do they go to an unlicensed style pin u ?
Stern will never make an unlicensed game
cost involved would be according to how hot the property is, which maybe why they do not release a game at the same time a movie comes out
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You prob correct.
The $ to produce a new title might be too much.
Just wondering if the blockbuster TV style stuff like GOT & Walking Dead will continue into the next 2 years.
What does Stern do if band themes & blockbuster GOT TV style stuff doesn't continue ?
Shld they bring back new versions of stuff from the past which did well or do they go to an unlicensed style pin u ?
Stern will never make an unlicensed game
cost involved would be according to how hot the property is, which maybe why they do not release a game at the same time a movie comes out
I could be wrong but hasn't history shown that un-licensed themes sell less units than licensed themes? They have to release a title that punters know about as sited games are a thing of the past,, it's mainly home market now. I'm very surprised how popular the GB theme is among pin heads.
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Lots of things surprise me
20yo chicks who like KISS, for example
But it has been a long time since an unlicenced game was even made
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Its great to read comments from guys who like to keep on track about pinball.
It is afterall a pinball site for pinball enthusiasts.
I will add funnily enough, there was a TMNT show called "The Night Stalker" but I can't say it was my favourite one. Lol
I think it would be good for pinball if some of the great fun machines of the past were reinvented into 2016.
TMNT was & is popular for younger kids or teenagers or young adults, but those people are now 25 yrs older (from 1991) and are cashed up so, whether it be TMNT or any of the titles from the past, what remake would make a comeback ?
If I was Stern, I would look at what numbers sold the largest and look at doing remakes.
Sticking to current big TV shows is not going to keep working.
Why ?
Cause there is no NOSTALGIA in those shows ?
We need new ideas but sometimes old ideas, revamped for 2016 might work ?
Something that might capture us old kids who have grown up & young kids who are on the way up.
Cartoon stuff does that.
I wish Stern would do a feedback sort of thing to ask people what past titles they would like to see made again.
Anyone else got any other cartoon ideas if TMNT pinny isn't a remake idea.
The revamped 2016 model would have great artwork I know that, if it was ever made.
I also wonder, like cartoons which were hand drawn but have now been replaced with CAD computers, if the cost to bring a pinball title to life has also got a lot cheaper than it was pro rata in 1991 etc.
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Dunno about cartoon themes but maybe they could analyse great games from all makers including themselves and pick out aspects that are really memorable. Maybe a hybrid could be the go or it could also be a dog's breakfast.
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Who knows what titles are coming out in the next two years but it's always a surprise.
Maybe cartoon pinball stuff is all in the past ?
We need something other than HBO TV shows or Band type pinballs.
Will unlicensed stuff ever make a comeback if iconic cartoon stuff is dead, then unlicenced stuff seems even more far away ?
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Who knows what titles are coming out in the next two years but it's always a surprise.
Maybe cartoon pinball stuff is all in the past ?
We need something other than HBO TV shows or Band type pinballs.
Will unlicensed stuff ever make a comeback if iconic cartoon stuff is dead, then unlicenced stuff seems even more far away ?
Goosebumps?
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If that's the movie coming out very soon starting Jack Black with all the very Halloween style monsters in it, it could be a great pinball but perhaps too close to Ghost Busters.
But it would be a licenced theme.
Unless they did a cartoon version which would still be licenced.
Maybe after X Men & Avengers, cartoon based stuff will be few & far between but I am hoping something cartoon would make its way back into pinball cause the hand drawn art is always top notch and not the photo shop stuff everyone seems to dislike.
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Goosebumps would be a much better choice than turtles.
Base it off the books instead of the movie!
^^^
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Stern will never make an unlicensed game
cost involved would be according to how hot the property is, which maybe why they do not release a game at the same time a movie comes out
Which is all relative. A title based on hot property will have a larger production run to cater to demand and you can spread the cost of acquisition further (licensing, marketing et al) on a per unit basis. Plus there is the fact that a niche hobby like pinball can piggyback off external marketing for the theme and save outlays there as well - something that Stern does in spades and why they will never make an unlicensed game.
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I am going to give some current 2015/2016 artwork from TMNT to a fellow pinhead who is great on using photoshop etc and ask him if he can mock up a 2016 Stern style Pro for me just to make things interesting.
A combination between a brand new design & the 1991 TMNT could look awesome if done properly.
I don't have the skills on photoshop etc otherwise I would give it a go but will post when I can organise to get some mocked up artwork done for a cabinet & a translite.
Anyone who has any skills in this area is welcome to send me anything they think might look good.
I wish I had Swinksys skill on a computer but alas I will get some help to bring a few artwork ideas to paper, or social media.
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We all saw how popular the decision was when Stern decided to go with hand drawn artwork on Metallica - finally breaking from the constant photoshop work. Couple that with an original or evolved design from a popular game of the past and it could be successful. Many put their hands up for the Medievil remake. Imagine making a continuation of Catcus Canyon - or King Pin for example. Change the name and use the same concept. Give the designers and support crew the chance to break away from the confines of a licence just once. John Trudeau is a master of making something from nothing.
Who knows if the investors will allow for that within their agreement.