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Title: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on August 30, 2019, 02:50:59 PM
This is another restoration that started around 2015.

The story behind this game is that the owner ( not naming to respect his privacy - but he is more than welcome to chime in ) started the Restoration pre 2015 by completing a VERY good cabinet decal replacement, and he wanted me to complete the restoration by having the playfield restored (by Tim) and I would finish the game off. The game was almost completely stripped, with the exception of the Cabinet. The playfield was stripped completely, and the components screwed to a long piece of plywood. The individual components from the top of the playfield were bagged and documented in a VERY organized manner !

Other components were powdercoated and numerous new parts were provided. It was presented as one large Lego set ! The playfield was organized to be touched up and cleared. Then my issue surfaced - I have completed on High End Guns N Roses previously, but when I lost my HDD, I lost all the photos. The ONLY reference I had was scarce info on a couple websites, but that was never going to give me the detailed information I required. BUT - I had Greg's Restored Guns N Roses upstairs I could use as a reference = problem solved. Except as with all Greg's machines, they are stored upstairs, behind boxes and around 30-40 other machines. Downstairs was full. Upstairs was full. I had no way of moving Greg's game downstairs until I had the racking installed. Once that was done - it took a while to move everything around and FINALLY I had the game downstairs and ready to sit side-by-side.

I had already stripped the entire playfield components and cleaned / polished most of the parts, identifying what will need to be replaced etc.


Here is the lower cabinet as completed by the owner - and a damn fine job !


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20187_resize.jpg)

Here are the playfield components as presented to me. These were in vacuum bags.  ^^^


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20017_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20023_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20025_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20039_resize.jpg)

Playfield was stripped and transferred to a piece of plywood.  ()

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20048_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20050_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20058_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20092_resize.jpg)

Playfield components were sorted into tubs to be cleaned in the Ultrasonic Cleaner.

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20102_resize.jpg)

I didn't know Axl liked motorbikes..  &&

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20021_resize.jpg)

Some idiot melted the shooter rod.  ^.^
(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20098_resize.jpg)

 $#$

Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on August 30, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
The Playfield was delivered by the owner to Tim and once completed, it was sent to me.

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20182_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20183_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20184_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20185_resize.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on August 30, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
My cleaning methods depend on what I'm cleaning, but a general rule of thumb follows this process ;

1 - Separate parts into bins - metal, plastic, PCBs, wire looms and parts that cannot be put in the cleaner.
2 - Run them through the Ultrasonic Cleaner
3 - Run Metal parts through the Tumbler (course)
4 - Run Metal parts through the Tumbler (fine)
5 - Clean Plastic parts with Novus etc
6 - Place cleaned parts in parts bins for that machine
7 - Identify parts that need replacement or repair


Here is the playfield wiring loom placed in the Ultrasonic Cleaner's tray.

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20189_resize.jpg)

Cleaned section often 30 mins in the Ultrasonic ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20193_resize.jpg)




Cleaned Connectors ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20196_resize.jpg)

Filthy Mechanisms are also stripped and cleaned. Coil sleeves replaced. Springs replaced. Incorrect / broken parts replaced ;

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20125_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20190_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20173_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20191_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20122_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20194_resize.jpg)

More updates soon  $#$

Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: ddstoys on August 30, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Well that’s the most organised previously stripped machine I’ve ever seen.   I usually get them in a garbage bag


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Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on September 02, 2019, 10:01:40 AM
Well that’s the most organised previously stripped machine I’ve ever seen.   I usually get them in a garbage bag


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These are the hardest to put back together. You pray that ALL the parts are there to rebuild ! But it is also a GOOD challenge. One big LEGO set !
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on November 05, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
More assemblies are rebuilt. The Ball Trough was cleaned with the Ultrasonic cleaner and now I want to replace all the rollover microswitches. These were a mixture of original switches and some modified - but I know these will be troublesome, so I replace all the switches.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20201_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20202_resize.jpg)

Drop Target assemblies have the springs and Targets replaced ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20205_resize.jpg)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20204_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20203_resize.jpg)


Lamp Sockets - Most of the #44 sockets were rusted. They needed to be replaced. Some of the #89 were in bad shape as well, so I will replace most of them.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20206_resize.jpg)


New Socket with Diode installed ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20207_resize.jpg)


.. and here is the difference !


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20208_resize.jpg)


Playfield Posts - These were a mixed bag of originals, broken originals, Bally Williams and incorrect posts.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20209_resize.jpg)


The Original Factory Posts are expensive and the thread is thin, so they will break in time. I replace these with a stronger DE / Sega Post - 530-5332-03. We supply these stronger replacements on the RTBB site ;

https://www.rtbb.com.au/product/metal-post-with-10-threaded-base-and-6-threaded-top-2-12-tall-530-5332-03/ (https://www.rtbb.com.au/product/metal-post-with-10-threaded-base-and-6-threaded-top-2-12-tall-530-5332-03/)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20210_resize.jpg)

You will need to drill the holes with a larger bit for the #10 thread. These posts will never break.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20212_resize.jpg)

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Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on November 05, 2019, 02:42:16 PM
Reassembly continues with the topside of the playfield. Metal parts are regrained.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20211_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20213_resize.jpg)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20214_resize.jpg)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20215_resize.jpg)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20216_resize.jpg)


Some parts that were supplied were not to standard. A good example was this Rubber Kit. These were discarded for obvious reasons.


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20217_resize.jpg)


 !@# !@# !@# !@# !@# !@#


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20219_resize.jpg)


New white Rubbers are installed on the machine ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20220_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20221_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20223_resize.jpg)


Before installing the New plastic set, I install small washers in the post screws to stop the hex heads from scratching the artwork under the new plastics. The washers are basically rivet washers.



(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20222_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20225_resize.jpg)



Coming together nicely ;


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20226_resize.jpg)


(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20228_resize.jpg)

(http://australianpinballrestorations.com.au/pictures/Restorations/Guns%20RC/GNR%20RC%20229_resize.jpg)

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Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Strangeways on October 12, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
Project Update - I have had some PMs regarding the status of the restoration and lack of updates. This machine is non financial and has been put on pause since January.
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: punkin on October 13, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
It tripled in value this week i reckon.
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on October 13, 2020, 01:51:27 PM
It tripled in value this week i reckon.

Nah, the new game completely overshadows this old game
worth less than a well used Monopoly
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: punkin on October 14, 2020, 04:42:41 AM
I agree, that's why i ordered an LE day one. However i think the matching pair is going to be worth something.
Title: Re: Guns N Roses Partial Restoration
Post by: AndrewGB on October 16, 2020, 12:29:21 AM
Love your work!!