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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: pinnies4me on July 25, 2009, 01:42:23 PM
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A few "spot the difference" photos to keep you occupied until 4.00 pm
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big difference there Nick.
Great to see progress....finish it next week eh?
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Holy Crap !
Wire wheel has had a workout ?
How did you get the lamp sockets sooo shiny ?
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Looking good mate i have a few more Shiny bits to give you today ^^^ You have done really well on those weird metal bits
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What a massive difference Nick! *%*
This game would of been parted out 10 years ago....good karma for saving this ^^^
How is the playfield? Is it warped by chance?
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how did those roms go?
have you tested them yet?
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Holy Crap !
Wire wheel has had a workout ?
How did you get the lamp sockets sooo shiny ?
That was a cheat - Daniel had a bunch of old ones in good condition so they were mostly swapped out.
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How is the playfield? Is it warped by chance?
Thanks for making me paranoid! never checked that - certainly not visibly warped. The rust and corrosion seems more surface, I don't think it was "wet", just stored badly.
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how did those roms go?
have you tested them yet?
That'll be a little down the track. I did think about sticking them in my BH with the Pascal board to see what I got, but thought better of it (and too lazy anyway!) It'll be a couple more weeks before she goes back together for a test run.
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Wire wheel has had a workout ?
A litre of Rannex later and a buffing wheel.
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Daniel did some of those parts too, showed me the results he was getting with his buffing wheel, so I bought one too.
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Money well spent id say nick ^^^ See you shortly
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Hey Nick that looks so sweet, how is your ramp/staircase going.
Ian
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Great work guys....A very worthy machine to save. Definately worth all the hard work.
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Looks great ^^^ - one question, did you use the wire brush wheel or cloth wheel to do the buffing?
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All the parts i buffed Kev i used a Cotton wheel ^^^ (Best thing i ever got shit i buff up random spanners i love it that much)
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Hey Nick that looks so sweet, how is your ramp/staircase going.
Ian
Hey Ian, Matt (KTM450) is going to whip that up hopefully later this week/early next week. Looking forward to showing you the fruits of your work there mate!
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Home already Mate So did the team win???
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So did the team win???
17 in a row $#$
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Im no footy nut but i knew they would win.
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Ahh, I found your resto thread, here is a link to the ramp I have made for it *%*
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=2451.msg37527#msg37527 (http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=2451.msg37527#msg37527)
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The light board was another corrosion victim, and all of the GI wire had to be replaced - it was a nice shade of aqua!
Here's the removed spaghetti and the refinished product.
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Good one Nick !
What did you use for braid ?
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What did you use for braid ?
Stripped it from another couple of old light boards - just can't find that stuff anywhere.
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What did you use for braid ?
Stripped it from another couple of old light boards - just can't find that stuff anywhere.
Thats why I asked - Braid is available overseas, but only in rolls. I have to buy a roll someday.
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The mylar wear as shown on the upper one has been covered with an overlay on the lower one (see pic 2). The upper one will be part of a large overlay for the whole area in pic 3 - luckily one of our very talented members (ie not me!! :) is working on that now. Lots of ball swirl made the art look almost black in places - eucalyptus oil and magic eraser seemed the most effective and it has cleaned up well.
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After the magic eraser treatment the artwork on the left and right of the window and below came up pretty well. Will only need some very light paint infill to some scratches to look nice.
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Very cool. Looking awesome guys.
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It looks like it needs a lot of work !
Kudos to you Nick for bringing this game back to life !
Another Pinball saved ! ^^^
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WOW looking much cleaner than when I last saw it *%*
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Looking Good Nick cant wait for a game ^^^
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Well with the mylar coming off the main playfield so well, I confidently started the basement.. .. ..
Seems the confidence was misplaced unfortunately!
Yikes!! !!!
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But with Wotto's help teaching me some Photoshop techniques.. .. ..
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Was the basement from the same machine as the playfield ?
That decal looks great - What type of material / printer did you use ?
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That looks Great Nick you realise your now going to have to teach me these photoshop techniques
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Was the basement from the same machine as the playfield ?
It had the same quality of rust on the mechanical components so I'm guessing yes.
That decal looks great - What type of material / printer did you use ?
The printer is a Roland unit, about $300K worth I believe! He showed me the ink wells - "$10,000 worth of ink there".
It's printed on a plastic material, same as the cab art was for Coconut Island. A clear laminate will go over the print first so it'll take another day while the gasses bleed off. In the meantime I'll be popping the inserts out, and sanding back to wood, clear coating, then ready to install the decal. After that will be mylar as the laminate won't be sufficient for pinball use, particularly the way the ball drops into the basement, make for high wear.
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That looks Great Nick you realise your now going to have to teach me these photoshop techniques
Mate, it will be the blind leading the blind, but I'm game!
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Nick you realise your now going to have to teach me these photoshop techniques
:lol :lol :lol :lol Sorry Nick :lol :lol :lol :lol
(This will make sense later people)
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(This will make sense later people)
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Unfortunately this area is a little too complex for my meager talents to restore.
What we need is someone who is not only a top bloke, but has excellent talents and the patience of a saint.
Not sure how we'll go, but I'm sure a solution will pop up in time.. .. ..
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OK - time to show all........Nick contacted me some weeks back and he sent me the following images and asked if I could help....as you will see , this was pretty ugly
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7606/mainoriginal.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6306/upperoriginal.jpg)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1674/1wearcloseup.jpg)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9632/2wearcloseup.jpg)
It was probably the biggest task I have undertaken in Photoshop but I said I would give it a shake.......the GOOD news for me was that Nick had scanned his playfield in at the CORRECT sizes, so that made the job , not easy......but easier than it otherwise would have been.
I had no real concerns in tracing, re-drawing this but sizing and colour matching are ALWAYS a pain in the butt.
I thought I would show quite a few progress shots of this so people can get some idea of ( at least the way I do ) the Photoshop process.
SO I started by doing the diamond pattern ..........dont worry about the colours until the end , we just wanted it to be close while we made the new image....
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5708/diamondsstarted.jpg)
It ended up as a layer like this
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3492/diamondsfinishedwhite.jpg)
Next up I started the Green/Black sections up the top...hoping they were 'close' to being positioned correctly..
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1898/greenstarted.jpg)
Next up I decided to do all the inserts and text next, I had to re-draw most of the text which meant outlining the black surround and rewriting most of the WHITE lettering so it would print nice and white.
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6249/alltexton.jpg)
Next up came the ghosts - another forum member Ian had provided some REALLY nice photos for these so I was able to copy them from the photos but I had to recolour them on this new image.
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9953/ghostson.jpg)
Heres some close ups of some of the above sections.....
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8027/closeupmywork1.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5694/ratsclose.jpg)
Nick did an overall B&W print to check the size and after one night of adjusting, we had the overall size of this perfect
We were pretty happy with the progress but unsure of the placements for the inserts , ghost etc.....we tried a couple of things to work out how to translate to each other over email where I needed to line these things up......Nick came up with the idea of placing his B&W print on his PF and marking it up , scanning the marked B&W image in again and he re-sent it to me......I was then able to lay it into my image as a new layer and work from nicks markings......see below
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5195/nicksplacementchart.jpg)
Next I started dropping the inserts onto the image as can be seen in this next shot....if you look at the far left insert I faded it out so you can see how I could 'see through it' to place these correctly.
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1883/nicksplacementinserts.jpg)
After this was done it was back to Nick for another B&W test print......you can see it below...the inserts, green area's were pretty close and I just had to jiggle a few bits around here and there ......
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4973/nearlydonetestprint1.jpg)
To get the ghosts correct - Nick did another print, and cut the ghost shapes out of the print, placed it over his actual playfield and resent me images like this one below, this allowed me to see exactly where I needed to move or skew things to so that these ghosts and the relevant text sat in the correct spot...as you can see this ghost of mine needed to come to the right at a bit
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1792/ghostcutoutfortest.jpg)
After all of that and some colour matching - here are the end results.....the 'on-screen colours' may look a little wierd but Nick has done test prints from many colour swatches I sent him and these colours apparently PRINT close/exact to the original PF colours
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2065/lowercompleted7.jpg)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2381/hhwelcomefinal7.jpg)
All up I reckon about 20 ++ hours work in it - I am hoping Nicks printer does an outstanding job and allows this part of the "HH restore of the century" to be as nice as the rest of the machine.
Saint Wotto :lol
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^%^ $$( ^%^ $$( ^%^ $$( UNBELIEVABLE WORK WOTTO !! ^%^ $$( ^%^ $$( ^%^ $$(
$%$ $%$ $%$ $%$ $%$ $%$
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I'm speechless..
That is simply awesome.
$%$ $%$ $%$
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Well done,
That effort is to be congratulated!
I am constantly amazed by the skills and level of effort put in here by members to restore our beloved machines @@*
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WOW Wotto!
That's absolutely fantastic work! #*#
Man I wish I could use photoshop to actually do something constructive other than re-sizing images...
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That’s why this hobby is so damn good mate.
We all ‘specialise’ in certain area’s and help each other out whenever the need arises *)*
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That is just unbelievable work Wotto, well done. #*#
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Ive seen the B&W print of the diamonds and that impressed the shit out of me let alone the rest. This game is going to look fantastic inside and out once its done ^^^
And its been said before but Wotto your the man ()
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That’s why this hobby is so damn good mate.
We all ‘specialise’ in certain area’s and help each other out whenever the need arises *)*
Yep, totally agree!
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Its a great job guys, even better to see a 'community' resto job too!
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Gobsmacked looking at that! :D Fantastic
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one word BEAUTIFUL to all concerned with this machine
Ian.
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Wotto youve done it again...
Well done
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Ok- lets get it printed and on the playfield before we celebrate too much *%*
Should be fine but I reckon , based on all the trial prints.
Its really over to Nick and his printer now to enure a quality, usable and durable print.
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Ok- lets get it printed and on the playfield before we celebrate too much *%*
Should be fine but I reckon , based on all the trial prints.
Its really over to Nick and his printer now to enure a quality, usable and durable print.
Well if its upto Nick !@# !@# !@# ill put the cork back in the champaine lol
Only Joking Nick your doin a great job
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Thanks mate(?)
;)
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Ill try and get them Displays to you tomorrow after work was going to today but i forgot to listen to my alarm clock LOL (Dont you hate them phone calls.... Um where are you ??? !!@)
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Just a quick update - here are the prints for the upper playfield just sitting in their place. Still some prep work before fixing them down. You'll see there is a slight colour variation - it's not as obvious in the flesh. Should look fantastic when done!
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and the Basement overlay
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Looking good so when can we have a game?????? And im sure your wife would like to know when she can have her house back %.%
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Nice !
Color matching is such a bitch !!!
But it looks fantastic and the camera shots always "changes" the shade of color
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WOW! What a great improvement
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Glad to see that all fitted nicely in place
I aint real happy with that colour but *.*
But as long as U R happy , its your game.
I understand that once you put the PF bits all back on , then you wont see any of the original areas and to the untrained eye you would not know the colour is off !@#
I can see that the camera adding light to it makes it look worse than it may actually be as the upper 'Welcome' section appears to be decent colour match while the main/ larger playfield area with the ghosts on it appears to be more 'off'.
I am hoping that the 'light' in th shot is making that appear worse than it is in real life !@# !@#
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The match is not perfect, but after all your work Wotto and the fact that the printer won't take any cash, I'm pretty satisfied. The other thing that's not obvious is that where you can see the original colours (to the far left) that area is untouched by any balls (the pop bumper is there) so it is in pristine condition. However, the areas on the sides of the window (that use those colours for other things) has some discolouration etc from age and ball travel etc, so is slightly darker and much closer to the printed decal. As such, the colours here are in fact a better match overall for the balance of the playfield, and the overlay will not be as obvious than if it were bright and shiny new colour when the rest is aged, if you see my reasoning.
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Yeah - now THAT looks better *)* *)*
You gunna use those spare 'donuts' I made for around the inserts or just leave em as is ??
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How goods that great work Nick and Wotto
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Excellent effort there guys. Looking great so far.
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Geez- I am pretty happy with that now that you have it down and the inserts cut, left bumper in place - looks pretty good.
Some of those insert surrounds are just off but, when U glue the inserts back in I can make you some more black donuts if you wanted to stick em over the edges of the installed inserts !@#
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Getting exciting now im going to have to call in one night after work im thinking $#$
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Getting exciting now im going to have to call in one night after work im thinking $#$
We'll be playing it soon enough! Gotta find a big piece of mylar though, neither Greg nor Mark carry sheets large enough for this area and the basement unfortunately.
Geez- I am pretty happy with that now that you have it down and the inserts cut, left bumper in place - looks pretty good.
Some of those insert surrounds are just off but, when U glue the inserts back in I can make you some more black donuts if you wanted to stick em over the edges of the installed inserts !@#
A couple are a little off, but that's the way with the real thing anyway - the outline goes onto the insert itself, and as it happens, this seems to mimic the original quite well and they don't look too bad at all. As the original was off by fluke similarly, the slightly offset printing on the insert itself matches quite well, except for the "Double Scoring" one, which might need a donut - it's bigger than the ones you originally did. I've got inserts sitting (not glued yet) for a look, and it's looking nice! I'll post a photo later.
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Inserts back in. I haven't infilled the edges with black yet, but starting to look nice.
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Absolutely amazing work there Wotto! You two blokes have done a great job getting that right and restoring the playfield.
You should consider doing the artwork for rest of the playfields and getting it to CPR. This would really make reproduction playfields for this game a reality for the rest of us. CPR have deals available artists, such as other products or cash. I helped them out with a TOTAN playfield scan last year.
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You should consider doing the artwork for rest of the playfields and getting it to CPR.
Before Wotto and I started this, I did email CPR to see what their plans were. In a nutshell they'd need to do all three playfields for this game, and costing would make the final product way too expensive to be feasible unfortunately. They do have a full set of quality scans already, it's the production and final costs that stop any chance.
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Looks great Nick, Wotto has done a fantastic job with the overlay.
Bumper usually have the large sheets of mylar, they use the good quality thick 3M stuff.
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Looks great Nick, Wotto has done a fantastic job with the overlay.
Bumper usually have the large sheets of mylar, they use the good quality thick 3M stuff.
Wotto sure did do an amazing job. I ordered some mylar from Bumper yesterday, so hopefully will get this playfield finished this week.
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You should consider doing the artwork for rest of the playfields and getting it to CPR.
Before Wotto and I started this, I did email CPR to see what their plans were. In a nutshell they'd need to do all three playfields for this game, and costing would make the final product way too expensive to be feasible unfortunately. They do have a full set of quality scans already, it's the production and final costs that stop any chance.
I recall that CPR actually had the PF advertised on their website. Could have been RGP. This was around 3 years ago ? It just was not feasible.
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Yes Nino, you're correct !
I had one on pre-order... !!!
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Well the mylar is down on the upper playfield replacement art, and it looks sensational! Will start repopulating in the next few days.
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It looked sensational without the mylar you boys have done a great job getting everything to line up
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Nick - My HH plastics for the TOP playfield are good. Secret Passage is broken. Lower Playfield "Bank completed lights extra ball" is good, but the smaller lower plastic is broken.
I'd like to donate "whatever you need" to the project - they are all yours.
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Nick - My HH plastics for the TOP playfield are good. Secret Passage is broken. Lower Playfield "Bank completed lights extra ball" is good, but the smaller lower plastic is broken.
I'd like to donate "whatever you need" to the project - they are all yours.
Great , and kind offer Nino......this game is quickly becoming one of the better 'shared AP restore' stories *)*
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Looks bloody AWESOME guys!!
simply STUNNING ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
Makes me want to get off my butt and get out into the garage and do some restoring *%* *%*
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Is there anything else you guys need? I had a few bits left over from the BH...
Looking great too. *%*
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Nick - My HH plastics for the TOP playfield are good. Secret Passage is broken. Lower Playfield "Bank completed lights extra ball" is good, but the smaller lower plastic is broken.
I'd like to donate "whatever you need" to the project - they are all yours.
That's fantastic Nino - thanks! The ones I need are the two rear ones for the attic playfield, and coincidentally the "Bank completed lights extra ball" for the basement playfield - my small one is good! That's all I really need. My Secret Passage is broken but they can be bought separately I've seen, so yes those two attic and one basement ones would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again mate for contributing to the "AP HH"! @@*
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Is there anything else you guys need? I had a few bits left over from the BH...
Looking great too. *%*
Thanks for the offer Marty, I think we're pretty good for the generic type parts, but I'll know more as I reassemble and work out what I've missed!
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It looked sensational without the mylar you boys have done a great job getting everything to line up
It was fun (at least at my end) working that out with Wotto - made me work hard at being clear in the emails, and I could see Wotto doing the same, so we were always pretty much on the same page. The only line up issue was with one insert, although in truth look carefully at your games and you'll see there's always a bit "out" in the printing.
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Great , and kind offer Nino......this game is quickly becoming one of the better 'shared AP restore' stories *)*
That's what has made this so much fun - all the contributions by so many people like you, it makes this game something special, especially considering how bad it was to start with.
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All this work and concentration while St Kilda's in the Grand Final. How did ya do it Nick %.% Nice work by all involved ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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All this work and concentration while St Kilda's in the Grand Final. How did ya do it Nick %.% Nice work by all involved ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
By not doing any client work! Have a bit to catch up next week!
Just got some of the attic surround back from the chroming place.
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Nick - My HH plastics for the TOP playfield are good. Secret Passage is broken. Lower Playfield "Bank completed lights extra ball" is good, but the smaller lower plastic is broken.
I'd like to donate "whatever you need" to the project - they are all yours.
Great , and kind offer Nino......this game is quickly becoming one of the better 'shared AP restore' stories *)*
Mate - I'm just handing over plastics - "no brainer". On the other hand - I guess I'm lucky I don't know how to use photoshop and all the other programs you use..
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