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Title: No Longer Available Items for Restoring
Post by: swinks on November 11, 2013, 03:49:58 PM
I have had a few people ask me to investigate a few items to make so they can bring back certain machines back to restored condition with parts that are no longer available.

Since I have the gear to draw up, model and proto-type I will be doing a number of items in the near future. The idea is I will not be producing them, but rather designing them and then submitting them to Shapeways in Europe and USA in a so called shop front that I have set up with them so they can print as they have a wider choice or more appropriate materials better suited to the purpose of these parts. My methods of producing is with PLA plastic which is not ideal for impact parts but great for getting a concept and checking.

Rest assured I do not put a big margin on these things as I want alot of people to take advantage of the parts availability. Shapeways charges a specific volumetric fee for each item and I place a small margin on this to get a very small reward for my efforts.

In addition before these parts are available to the public to purchase I will purchase a part from them to check before anyone does a mass purchase and discover there are issues. This alone is not cheap but it still is slightly cheaper for you than me making inferior parts.

Stay tuned for items to be available at my store.

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/Dutch-Orange
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Marty Machine on November 11, 2013, 04:00:48 PM
While you're doing this, PLEASE consider improving the parts instead of copying an already poorly-designed part.
Many corners were cut back in the day, and not all parts were made carefully or aesthetically pleasing....

NOW is your chance to correct those mistakes.

For example, the hex-post cable holders (although good) still make the post/wiring look messy.
I designed (long ago) a hollow sleeve the full length of the post that hid the wiring all along the post, whether it was 1" or 4" tall and made the game far neater.
(The sleeve was chrome steel for bling, since the hex-posts were already chrome, but the sleeves could equally be coloured plastic to match the game/theme)

Lets make pinball BETTER, instead of putting up with poorly designed parts from the past.


Just my 20c
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 11, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
no worries Marty and point taken, but in doing so, who ever asks me to design a part may need to educate me on how it can be improved as I will not be aware of so many issues that could be improved on.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 11, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
here is a part wanted by Crashramp for his Xenon & Kings of Steel - Roll Over Button - ASW-A1-162

Funny enough Crashramp seems to have the only machines that used this type of Button. There are 4 Roll Over Buttons at the top of the playfield, I was able to model accurately and then make a fairly close sample and like stated before I will get Shapeways to make one to confirm final accuracy before opening to the public.


Note: Shapeways charges a minimum of $20 for postage to Australia so best to save up and get a few things at a time. I will soon have about 10 items for Nino designed, tested and listed there from the SS 80's era, as well as various mods (band stuff etc), though I will still print some mod stuff here as it is often suspended and out of the road from impacts and I have some cool printing plastics coming soon - wood grain  () . I have investigated a number of other print services and though some are slightly cheaper, the material options are poor, so Shapeways is the happy medium.

Also Shapeways print quality is Nylon Plastic in flat or a little more for polished and makes the parts by laying 0.10mm layers of powder and then depositing a liquid component to finalise the process so the level of detail is very good doing 10 layers for every millimetre.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: goodolddays on November 11, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
Keep up the great work Jady . Sounds like your new hobby business is outgrowing itself already  ^^^
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Retropin on November 11, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
here is a part wanted by Crashramp for his Xenon & Kings of Steel - Roll Over Button - ASW-A1-162

Funny enough Crashramp seems to have the only machines that used this type of Button. There are 4 Roll Over Buttons at the top of the playfield, I was able to model accurately and then make a fairly close sample and like stated before I will get Shapeways to make one to confirm final accuracy before opening to the public.


Note: Shapeways charges a minimum of $20 for postage to Australia so best to save up and get a few things at a time. I will soon have about 10 items for Nino designed, tested and listed there from the SS 80's era, as well as various mods (band stuff etc), though I will still print some mod stuff here as it is often suspended and out of the road from impacts and I have some cool printing plastics coming soon - wood grain  () . I have investigated a number of other print services and though some are slightly cheaper, the material options are poor, so Shapeways is the happy medium.

Also Shapeways print quality is Nylon Plastic in flat or a little more for polished and makes the parts by laying 0.10mm layers of powder and then depositing a liquid component to finalise the process so the level of detail is very good doing 10 layers for every millimetre.

Think youll find that those buttons are quite prevalent in BALLY EM games.. HI DEAL is one that immediately comes to mind..

Quick IPDB search reveals that these can be used in the following games:
HI DEAL
XENON
KINGS OF STEEL
ROCKMAKERS
ODDS $ EVENS
MONTE CARLO
FLIP FLOP
FORE
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 11, 2013, 04:50:15 PM
thanks for that gave, I just could see a picture on a few of those so didn't want to assume give the age difference between these 2 games and the older ones.

Anyway it will be helpful for more people
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Crashramp on November 11, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
thanks for that gave, I just could see a picture on a few of those so didn't want to assume give the age difference between these 2 games and the older ones.

Anyway it will be helpful for more people

Great stuff Jady.  ^^^
I was telling Jady just before I picked up the Kings of Steel that I couldn't find any other games other than Xenon with these buttons then of course I pick up KoS and there they are again. Also good to know that there are more Gav. I'm sure there are others missing these buttons or wanting to replace old stained ones. Personally I didn't like the thought of putting the original grubby buttons back into a brand new CPR playfield if I had a choice and now thanks to Jady, I do have a choice.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Retropin on November 11, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
Aye... might even take a few myself.. I have a HI DEAL here awaiting restoration
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinoffski on November 11, 2013, 06:44:53 PM
This is is great engineering mate ....

Just need to get it out here in the pinball market
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: wiredoug on November 11, 2013, 07:36:19 PM
i think you will find that the rollover button is C-587-6 and ASW-A1-162 is actually the switch under it.
Put me down for some if you make them

Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 12, 2013, 09:49:09 AM
you are very correct wiredoug,

Roll Over Button   -    C-587-6
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 15, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
these will be available next week when I get the correct white plastic, care of Nino's help with parts to copy from (from a Fathom) and I will finalise prices once the plastic comes in.

Bally Backbox Light Shrouds with two sizes available at this point of time:
- 37 x 51mm outer shroud size
- 37 x 86mm outer shroud size

and there will be the original type as well as the upgraded type with 4 screw mount holes so you don't have to install with staples anymore.

These will be made in a glossy white PLA and made to order. I am just printing samples in a translucent white to check the final design, took a few go's to perfect but confident that I am there now.

The PLA is extruded at $190 deg C so pretty confident that these will be well suited for globe heat for a Bally back box restore.




Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 15, 2013, 09:36:40 PM
photos of the completed items in the wrong PLA plastic, and these are dimensionally the same and a little firmer than the originals with the base mount being 1.25mm thick and the shroud wall thickness being 1mm with the same slight taper inwards to control the shape.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Strangeways on November 15, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
Brilliant. I've seen so many of these missing from games. I also can provide Williams shrouds - circa Black Knight / Flash / Jungle Lord and Classic Stern.

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Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: wiredoug on November 15, 2013, 10:16:21 PM
nice work . put me on the list for some when they are ready please
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Crashramp on November 15, 2013, 10:20:57 PM
nice work . put me on the list for some when they are ready please

+1 Great work Jady!   $#$  I'll be buying some also, it sure beats making my own again.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: solar value on November 15, 2013, 10:44:49 PM
Excellent work on the shrouds, great to have these parts available.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Retropin on November 16, 2013, 02:04:38 AM
In all honesty mate.. if you are going to reproduce parts that aren't available then you may as well go the whole hog..1950's red 2" flipper bats although available from PBR are not as good as the original as they don't have the marbelling effect through them.. woodrail hollow posts you cant get.. in fact you cant get ANY good reproduction parts for woodrails because none have the marbelling through them..ALL are solid colour. lane guides.. posts.. shrouds.. rollover buttons.. all are a second best.
All of these parts were made from approx 1945- 1948 onwards..PBR bought the tooling but didn't faithfully reproduce the plastic as its too expensive.. 3D printing makes this possible. I say go for it  and be the first but many will follow as reproduction will soon be in the hands of many.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 16, 2013, 09:16:22 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys, much appreciated.

Gav

I am all for modelling the parts and believe I am capable in doing so as well as proto-typing parts but doubt PLA will be suitable for impact parts but they are working on lots of new materials now. Also the marble effect could not be achieved by the current printing process or materials though I am working on a project that may well may be able to head in this direction but that is 6-12months away if it works - entering new grounds.

Hopefully with support with people buying these parts I can grow this venture into something where I can invest in other machinery and turn it into a business that I can look after my family but I am a long way off that.

Also with your last comment about many will follow - I am working towards a few developments attempting to be innovative with the goal of 6 -12 months with the vision to try and be in the leading pack. So head down, bum up.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 16, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
Below are the prices for the shrouds with the models loaded up at Shapeways and I can print them in a glossy white. I have gone away from time based pricing and gone for a similar volumetric pricing model to try and lower the price with out being a charity as at the end of the day I need to earn a little bit of money. At the moment I am treating this as a hobby so the prices are as listed to cover the material and equipment so use the figures in Red as your purchase guide. So if you are interested just shoot me a PM and I can have them made next week and posted out by the end of the week.

Bally Small Light Shroud - Original
Shapeways  -  price for polished white is $10.77 USD each
3D printing in a gloss white - is $9.22 Aus each (including GST is $9.99)

Bally Small Light Shroud - Upgraded
Shapeways  -  price for polished white is $10.67 USD each
3D printing in a gloss white - is $9.12 Aus each (including GST is $9.88)

Bally MediumLight Shroud - Original
Shapeways  -  price for polished white is $13.64 USD each
3D printing in a gloss white - is $11.78 Aus each (including GST is $12.76)

Bally Medium Light Shroud - Upgraded
Shapeways  -  price for polished white is $13.53 USD each
3D printing in a gloss white - is $11.68 Aus each (including GST is $12.65)


postage is extra but pretty sure it is around the $8 including a small box for 1 - probably 10 items.


Signing off if this price is too much then I will not be proceeding with many more parts and focusing more on my other project but I hope people can see the value compared to a hack component…. I will leave it with you and thanks for reading and your support.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 16, 2013, 12:27:15 PM
Here are the prices for 3 types of spacers that Nino asked me to design up.

1/2 " Short Tube spacer - light grey
$2.70 each ($2.95 inc. GST)

3/4" Medium Tube Spacer - dark grey
$3.45 each ($3.75 inc. GST)

27mm Long Spacer with end rims - opaque white
I can't print due to the lack of support on the top overhung edge but is on Shapeways
$4.00 USD (purchase price)
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: 4_amusement_only on November 16, 2013, 03:27:30 PM
Prices are fine, Jady. If people need the parts, they will buy. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Crashramp on November 16, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Prices are fine, Jady. If people need the parts, they will buy. Keep up the good work!

+1 it cost me a lot more than that to make my own shrouds. Ill be buying yours
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 19, 2013, 08:45:42 PM
here are a few photos of the small and large like original and with mounting holes
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 19, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
This is one item I can model, print a block type one for testing but too many over hanging edges to be able to print a nice one so this will be one for my Shapeways store.

I have sent the pictured sample as a test piece only (very light weight internally) but hope to make these available soon as well.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 23, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
Nino received his bally shrouds and installed into the Fathom restore and was very happy with them.

Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: ddstoys on November 23, 2013, 04:24:27 PM
They look great Jady way better than most of the original nicotine stained ones
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Strangeways on November 23, 2013, 05:36:23 PM

These are absolutely amazing. They look great as a replacement set for the old cracked originals. I wanted holes in the design because some of the shrouds are too close for a staple gun, and after installing them, they LOOKED neater.

Well done Jady. I've placed a second order.  ^^^
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on November 23, 2013, 08:08:21 PM
This bell shaped spacer, used on a lot of Bally machines
a solid shape (but with a mounting hole) that does not dig into the playfield would be great
I would make it to fit the hole, no need for it rivetpressed to the plastic

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/bell.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/bell.jpg.html)
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 23, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
This bell shaped spacer, used on a lot of Bally machines
a solid shape (but with a mounting hole) that does not dig into the playfield would be great
I would make it to fit the hole, no need for it rivetpressed to the plastic

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/bell.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/bell.jpg.html)

no problems Peter - I just need to borrow a sample as can do a silver (shiny light grey) material and can do a 50% fill and it will be rock solid with a mounting hole.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: ralph67 on November 29, 2013, 03:50:57 AM
Any chance you could make the Coin insert plastics (20 cents) to suit the older Stern games. White plastic , and i found a part no. 4B-142 "specify coin".  I would take at least a dozen. If you need a sample i can send one to you. cheers Ralph ..
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on November 29, 2013, 07:46:37 AM
Any chance you could make the Coin insert plastics (20 cents) to suit the older Stern games. White plastic , and i found a part no. 4B-142 "specify coin".  I would take at least a dozen. If you need a sample i can send one to you. cheers Ralph ..

Hi Ralph

I am happy to work on these items and others as long as there is a demand for them. That said there seems to be a few people asking for the aussie market specific items (20 cent coin) lately though, so if you have a sample and don't mind lending it to me just pm for my address and we can go from there - I will take good care of the part.

cheers
Jady
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on December 27, 2013, 11:33:14 PM
Any chance you could make the Coin insert plastics (20 cents) to suit the older Stern games. White plastic , and i found a part no. 4B-142 "specify coin".  I would take at least a dozen. If you need a sample i can send one to you. cheers Ralph ..

Hi Ralph

your item is next on the design and print line, I haven't forgotten you just slightly caught up
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on December 29, 2013, 01:21:15 PM
I am trying to tick off a few items with this one finished today with the Fathom Ball launch arm beefed up in the corner fillets which solves the overhanging print issue (which also makes it stronger) and designed some snap off supports for the large over hanging section.

All I need is someone to test fit & run and report back any issues as Nino is 6 months away from being able to test run one of these.

What do you get - you will get a free one to keep as a spare and will be worth around the $20.

Also anyone have a assembly drawing of this part?
Anyone know if these are used in other games or just in the fathom?
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on January 02, 2014, 12:21:51 AM
Jady will look at my embryon and see if it uses one of these. If so will test for you. Will look tomorrow and get back to you.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 02, 2014, 07:09:29 AM
Jady will look at my embryon and see if it uses one of these. If so will test for you. Will look tomorrow and get back to you.


thanks heaps that would be great  ^^^
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on January 02, 2014, 09:21:34 PM
Had a look and believe it is the same part. Interestingly mine has been modified as it seems to be cracked. Check out the photos.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 02, 2014, 09:28:52 PM
thanks for checking, and great to know there are more machines with this elusive bracket...

well if you are keen to test one for nothing let me know and I will get it in the mail  ^^^

it would be good to see where the upgraded one fails if it does as added 1.5mm more fillet to the centre rib from 0.5mm to 2mm both sides.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on January 02, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
Pm sent
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 02, 2014, 09:35:43 PM
Any chance you could make the Coin insert plastics (20 cents) to suit the older Stern games. White plastic , and i found a part no. 4B-142 "specify coin".  I would take at least a dozen. If you need a sample i can send one to you. cheers Ralph ..

Hi Ralph

I am making progress, here is the model and should have a test print ready to go back to you for a test fit and then make any re-adjustments.

Jady
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 03, 2014, 08:50:32 PM
Had a look and believe it is the same part. Interestingly mine has been modified as it seems to be cracked. Check out the photos.


I sent a sample today for you to try out, but tonight played around with the improved version. I noticed on yours and the one Nino sent me that the breaks are pretty much in the same place.

Therefore I filled in this section, added another corner brace as well as larger fillet in the inside to strengthen up a little but allow for 3D printing. Check out the original and improved images and when you fit the supplied one report any fitting issues as well as if the filling in of sections is going to cause a fitting issue.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 17, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
Hi All

Due to a number of issues in trying to make some money from the 3D printer venture - making mods and reproduction parts I have decided it just isn't viable. I have invested nearly $4 grand as well as 300 hours of printing and even more hours sitting at the computer designing etc but meanwhile recently slogged with paypal charged backs has put me into a spiral downwards. I should of just kept the money in the bank. I want to do mods and reproduction stuff but finding that for it to mildly viable for me to do - sales are showing it just isn't worth all the time and effort and Shapeways has been a fail as well as I think people expect things for cheap / nothing.

Therefore unless a miracle occurs I will not be taking on any new little jobs with the only real outstanding ones being for Ralph as we are at the tail end of finalising that - hopefully is helpful to him otherwise another part of learning curve.


I will still sell the items that are selling as the hard work has been done:
- Range of AC/DC - bell covers
- Metallica Cross
- Bally Shrouds (small and large)


In the end I have learnt the hard way that 3D printing is great for proto-typing but not as a stand alone business trying to sell parts.


Where from here, I am designing and have built a few proto-type 3D printers and maybe there is a local market for that for an affordable printer running on linear bearings, self levelling and fast / accurate etc but today I don't have my hopes too high on that.

I will still design mods but for "ME" and the machine (machines I hope to own) for fun and if people like them I will set a price that covers my time and materials and if they don't mind the price - they can buy them and if people don't no loss as I did it for fun. Another fun product is designing a custom pin so I will put my efforts into that.

In the end in the next week or 2 I will resort to standing along a main road with a sign asking for a job.

My apologies for expressing my feelings and emotions but I am at the bottom of a pit and over it - 6 months unemployed, mother in law with terminal cancer, almost out of money and so many wasted hours - I need some luck but unfortunately I am not one of those people.

You will still see me around but in a different capacity - general conversation or sharing designs I have done for fun.

Thanks for the kind words and support over time.

Cheers

Jady
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinnies4me on January 17, 2014, 10:34:51 AM

Hi Jady,

Thanks for the update.

This was a great idea, but I guess people are so used to mass-produced extremely cheap consumer items, that engineered short-run items seem expensive by comparison. I suspect few have ever had something built from scratch,  so don't realize that unique items are expensive, even if its just a "little piece of plastic".

Thanks for letting us know, and all the best with the job hunting - darkest before the storm as they say. You sure have a lot on your plate, but I am sure you'll find the reserves to get through this.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: elkor-alish on January 17, 2014, 11:37:28 AM
Sorry it didn't work out Jady.
I was really looking forward to seeing what else you might come up with.
Luckily Ralph ordered a some extra coin chutes for me too (they'll be awesome).

Good luck with your next stage of life and at least you gave it a go.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Crashramp on January 17, 2014, 11:43:31 AM

Hi Jady,

Thanks for the update.

This was a great idea, but I guess people are so used to mass-produced extremely cheap consumer items, that engineered short-run items seem expensive by comparison. I suspect few have ever had something built from scratch,  so don't realize that unique items are expensive, even if its just a "little piece of plastic".

Thanks for letting us know, and all the best with the job hunting - darkest before the storm as they say. You sure have a lot on your plate, but I am sure you'll find the reserves to get through this.

+1
Jady I'm sure everyone understands your decision, I can only say that I sincerly hope that things start looking up in 2014 and I'm sure they will. Seeing the energy you've put into you 3D printing venture your obviously a very motivated person. Keep your chin up mate things will turn around.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: goodolddays on January 17, 2014, 12:43:33 PM

Hi Jady,

Thanks for the update.

This was a great idea, but I guess people are so used to mass-produced extremely cheap consumer items, that engineered short-run items seem expensive by comparison. I suspect few have ever had something built from scratch,  so don't realize that unique items are expensive, even if its just a "little piece of plastic".

Thanks for letting us know, and all the best with the job hunting - darkest before the storm as they say. You sure have a lot on your plate, but I am sure you'll find the reserves to get through this.

+1
Jady I'm sure everyone understands your decision, I can only say that I sincerly hope that things start looking up in 2014 and I'm sure they will. Seeing the energy you've put into you 3D printing venture your obviously a very motivated person. Keep your chin up mate things will turn around.

+ 2 .  Good on you for giving it a go Jady . ^^^  Damn shame it didn't at least break even for you .. as you say the huge amount of time is a big issue too , cause you just can't charge what your time is worth .

Appreciate you are still doing things tough and bad news in the family sure doesn't help . It is a new year and by about now most employers are back at work so surely the job opportunity side should open up for you again now .

Wishing you all the very best

Dave
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: ktm450 on January 17, 2014, 01:50:09 PM
Disappointing to hear mate, hopefully thing will turn your way soon
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Pintoxicated on January 17, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
Jady it is a shame to hear the whole 3D printer thing hasn't proven worth continuing on with.  What you did produce was great.

I wish you and the family all the very best, the fog will lift and the sun will shine again mate.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: tonyt on January 17, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
Well done for giving it a go, you came up with some excellent products.

Hang in there, things will turn around for you, all the best to you and your family.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: ddstoys on January 17, 2014, 05:07:23 PM
Sad to hear mate but I totally understand your decision.  The work you had done was top notch
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Cursed on January 17, 2014, 05:07:34 PM
Sorry to hear Jady, such a shame as you were creating some amazing mods.

All the best mate and i honestly hope something good falls into your lap soon.

P.S. Did you get my last PM? Offer still stands to go and have a look for you?
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: vanhos on January 17, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
Jady stick at it. Looks like u deffinatly no what u doing. Pick a few parts that we cannot get. An item that actually peoe need cause there machine doesn't work means they will pay at a higher price.

Plus I bet you actually enjoy designing these parts other wise you wouldn't spend so much time on it. Maybe take a break for month or two. Get u head in a good space. I'm sure you will come up with even more great ideas.

Even flog it on a cheap website and plaster them across all the forums. I'm sure there is guys on here that could make a cheap website for u. All the best mate. People like u are what this hobbie needs.

Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Homepin on January 17, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
I agree with the above - I have spent so much designing, making and promoting my products I shudder to think........it all turns around in the end as people will grow to trust and love your work.

You can't expect to retire overnight on any venture I'm afraid.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Retropin on January 17, 2014, 06:20:17 PM
I agree with the above - I have spent so much designing, making and promoting my products I shudder to think........it all turns around in the end as people will grow to trust and love your work.

You can't expect to retire overnight on any venture I'm afraid.

Agreed.. I spend 6 -8 hrs making stencil files on average.. no one on AA will buy them cos im not on AA... shipping to US is expensive with no tracking so they buy bootlegs instead.. some people want to split a stencil set up and only want the head etc.
I don't get ANY return on the time it takes to make them.. I get a small return on the amount of material used.
As a stand alone business venture.. stencils will send you broke quicker than you can cut them.
It will take me years to get an inventory of titles that might just have at least 1 stencil a week cut.. but that is my aim with a reputation of supplying the best there is.. but no... I don't make any money out of it...yet...

Back to the sign making!!!
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Freiherr on January 17, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
The first two years of any venture are hard as hell. Five to seven years tests your persistence. Financial rewards come around later than sooner. 3D printing is relatively new for a home based operator and costs will come down over time according to Moore's Law, that's when your financial gains will come to fruition.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: MartyJ on January 17, 2014, 06:56:28 PM
Sorry to hear this Jady....I can understand how people / things in this hobby can do this to you.   ^^^

Hopefully the new year will bring you employment opportunities and then the 3d printing can be a part timer for pocket money towards machines.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 17, 2014, 07:45:44 PM
Thanks everyone - I had a time out break at the beach today and did some soul searching and nutted out a game plan of sorts.

I am not quitting the 3D printing as I enjoy the possibilities of it and like Marty suggested I still aim to do things with it and hopefully earn a little bit of pocket money and get myself a pin in the near future once I get a job as I do really enjoy them. Like Gav and others have said somethings take alot of effort and I agree but not when my family are looking at me for the support. So I have to invest more energy into looking for a job and only once I have one will I tinker and create mods more for the enjoyment, as I really do enjoy the inventing and creating side of things. It's just not viable at a critical time as another 6 months and we might have to consider selling the home and that is stressful thinking about that.

So hopefully 2014 improves rapidly and then I can consider the odd reproduction item and a mod here and there.

Sorry if I have disappointed anyone but have to be selfish at this point of time.

See below my other creation - my own 3D printer which is a robot spider arm type (Delta) which are super fast, running on linear bearings vertically and self levelling as it is amazing the amount of lost time in poor prints from the first layer not being spot on with in 0.10mm. You never know I might get a job and then have an army of printers pumping out repro parts and mods. I am actually building 2 machines as while I was getting parts for one I thought may as well double up and save on postage - so in the near future I could have 3 machines running which will help in lowering the cost of parts. All the orange parts are printed to give you a ideal of what I have also been doing the last few months.

Anyway thanks for the support and understanding and I will still be around but modding will not a high priority (more as a relaxing hobby) though I have a few cool CFTBL ones in my head to be worked on in the future as well as a very cool car idea for the Stern Mustang but more importantly will be used my custom pin one day  &&.


Lastly there are a few items soon to be released and available soon through Shapeways if anyone is interested:
- the Bally Fathom ball launch arm is almost done but waiting on fitting and feedback to fine tune and release
- Stern coin slots - final fit changes - very close
- Williams coin slots that I thought were bally's, just waiting on feedback of sizing.
- Small Rollover buttons - waiting on fit testing and then they will be released

So you AP guys know who you are if you can help and do the testing that will help some of my efforts be worthwhile so at least they are available for people to buy. I am also able to make bally shrouds, emtallica croses to order and still have a heap of the AC/DC bell block covers in the 5 designs in stock.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: ddstoys on January 17, 2014, 08:43:04 PM
Good luck on the job hunting mate something will pop up ;).  Even nightshift in a servo to cover the mortgage that will allow you daylight to spend time with the family and machines.  Just don't get stuck there
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on January 17, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
Pm sent.
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: oldskool1969 on January 17, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
Good to see the beach helped you clear your head and breathe a little bit.
I wish you good karma dude and remember everything for a reason, good or bad.
Keep your chin up  ^^^
Andy
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Caveoftreasures on January 18, 2014, 09:54:43 AM
Jady, sooner or later it will work out n the machine u designed n thought of n have put all the effort into, will work out sooner or later. The talent u have to design n engineer this stuff shows that your area is the problem with not much work, versus your amazing skill sets. I believe in karma n u are well over due to receive some great karma. Find the richest business or person in the Newy area n go hit them up for a nice salary position.

I have a question, does your 3D printer have the ability to make ramps that are no longer available and if so, in colours other than white, like the orig clear plastic.  !@#  If so, people would pay $80 to $150 to replace a crappy ramp if they are no longer available. ?? Let me know.

I am going to post u a present to help cheer u up a little. Its always good to talk to you and like everyone else feels, your one of the nicest blokes on the forum.
Things will work out for you sooner or later. PM sent.

Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 18, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
I thought of asking about ramps but I don't think the machine is big enough
Jady, sooner or later it will work out n the machine u designed n thought of n have put all the effort into, will work out sooner or later. The talent u have to design n engineer this stuff shows that your area is the problem with not much work, versus your amazing skill sets. I believe in karma n u are well over due to receive some great karma. Find the richest business or person in the Newy area n go hit them up for a nice salary position.

I have a question, does your 3D printer have the ability to make ramps that are no longer available and if so, in colours other than white, like the orig clear plastic.  !@#  If so, people would pay $80 to $150 to replace a crappy ramp if they are no longer available. ?? Let me know.

I am going to post u a present to help cheer u up a little. Its always good to talk to you and like everyone else feels, your one of the nicest blokes on the forum.
Things will work out for you sooner or later. PM sent.


Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: swinks on January 18, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
thanks again guys for the kind words..

my Replicator 2 has a 160 x 270 x 160 high process areas and the ones I am building are 160 dia x 240 high so it could not do a full ramp. I don't think it would be the right material and to be honest would cost heaps - a few hundred. But having said that you could reverse engineer the ramps by making mould sections (not final moulds but 1st stage moulds) quite successfully so then you could vacuum form the right plastic to create the ramps. I just need a 3D scanner so I could fast track the ramp design and then clean up. But like I said before not at the moment but when I get a cool machine and want to do repro parts etc I will and then people can buy them if they need them.

cheers
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on January 19, 2014, 09:30:42 AM
Jady, sooner or later it will work out n the machine u designed n thought of n have put all the effort into, will work out sooner or later. The talent u have to design n engineer this stuff shows that your area is the problem with not much work, versus your amazing skill sets. I believe in karma n u are well over due to receive some great karma. Find the richest business or person in the Newy area n go hit them up for a nice salary position.

I have a question, does your 3D printer have the ability to make ramps that are no longer available and if so, in colours other than white, like the orig clear plastic.  !@#  If so, people would pay $80 to $150 to replace a crappy ramp if they are no longer available. ?? Let me know.

I am going to post u a present to help cheer u up a little. Its always good to talk to you and like everyone else feels, your one of the nicest blokes on the forum.
Things will work out for you sooner or later. PM sent.

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nice gesture
Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Bally Shrouds installed pics
Post by: swinks on June 16, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Adam sent me a photo of some of the Shapeways shrouds installed, which it was nice to see - thanks heaps


Title: Re: No Longer Available Items for Restoring - Ceasing
Post by: pinball god on June 16, 2014, 11:53:34 PM
They do look good and thanks to Adam letting me piggy back on his order the ball trough kicker plastic works a treat in my embryon.