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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => News & Announcements => Topic started by: swinks on October 20, 2013, 08:27:35 AM
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Not alot to advertise here but at the expo were flyers of a pinball drapped with a rug and bowling pins.
www.dudepinball.com
Their website has a countdown timer of 69 days which puts it at the end of this year.
I know there has been a campaign on Pinside to do a Big Lewboski pin but I have never seen the movie, but appears to be big with the guys in the States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski
photos of the flyer and girls that handed them out. There is a bit of mystery to who is behind the company, whether it actually be Stern with a hyped launch or a legit new pinball company as Stern are releasing some big news in the next hour so time will tell on this one.
As for Stern, rumours are it could be The Walking Dead or maybe Big Juicy Melons....
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A Lebowski pinball would be cool.
Great movie, it has cult status all around the globe and it's one of the coen brothers best films!.
Walking Dead would be cool too, if someone besides from Stern was doing it that is. #@#
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A Lebowski pinball would be cool.
Great movie, it has cult status all around the globe and it's one of the coen brothers best films!.
Walking Dead would be cool too, if someone besides from Stern was doing it that is. #@#
You are so good, you should start up a company and give it a go.
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A Lebowski pinball would be cool.
Great movie, it has cult status all around the globe and it's one of the coen brothers best films!.
Walking Dead would be cool too, if someone besides from Stern was doing it that is. #@#
You are so good, you should start up a company and give it a go.
Sure why not, everyone else is doing it.
Send me a few million $$$ for pre orders on my new original themed pin RIP OFF and I will get to work on it.
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You can click on the timer and register for updates, not sure if the wording relates to the movie in question, maybe someone can confirm.
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A Lebowski pinball would be cool.
Great movie, it has cult status all around the globe and it's one of the coen brothers best films!.
Walking Dead would be cool too, if someone besides from Stern was doing it that is. #@#
You are so good, you should start up a company and give it a go.
Send me a few million $$$ for pre orders on my new original themed pin RIP OFF and I will get to work on it.
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No need to use investor money. Just use the JJP model and take the pre-order $ for a couple of years.
Sure why not, everyone else is doing it.
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The bottom quote "the dude abides" is from The Big Lebowski. Personally i did not get the movie, it was ok but the following it has seems to be huge. !@#
Should be interesting to watch this one unfold, not a pin i would buy though.
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The bottom quote "the dude abides" is from The Big Lebowski. Personally i did not get the movie, it was ok but the following it has seems to be huge. !@#
Should be interesting to watch this one unfold, not a pin i would buy though.
I suspect it's an "American" thing... (((
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LOVE the movie and can't wait to see how they implement it as a pinball machine. So many hilarious lines. Not a fan of putting money down and waiting two years though.
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Quirky film..funny at times but an acquired taste needed. The film came out in like 97' so I can't see Stern being in on it.
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Funny movie, can't beat the scattering of Donny's ashes scene, GOLD! *)*
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Language warning for the following clip, but this is probably why you won't see Stern release a Big Lebowski pinball machine.
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Language warning for the following clip, but this is probably why you won't see Stern release a Big Lebowski pinball machine.
If that's as good as it gets them I truly know why I have never seen it and it must be an "American thing" - 'cause I just don't see the humor in any of that complete rubbish!
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Never heard of him, and the video is 2 minutes of my life I'll never get back ! About as funny as an egg fart in an elevator.
Has to be an "American thing".
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Funny movie, can't beat the scattering of Donny's ashes scene, GOLD! *)*
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That scene is priceless.
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Dudepinball launch 6am tomorrow NSW time - we will see what it is all about - Stern up to games, new pinball company or a hoax
http://dudepinball.com
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Ah yes, thanks for the heads up. I was wondering what was happening with this.
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I lot of hype. Probably a Scam! I am staying clear of this one. Domain name registrar, has no link to any legitimate owner. Private, by proxy. No trancing the owner..sound suspicious..
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12 minutes to go
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REUVER, THE NETHERLANDS, December 27, 2013 — Dutch Pinball BV
announced today that they will partner with Universal Partnerships & Licensing
(UP&L) as the exclusive licensee for the global production of The Big LebowskiTM
Pinball Machine. The announcement was made by Dutch Pinball President Jaap
Nauta.
The Big LebowskiTM, which was initially released in 1998, has become a cult classic,
elevating The Dude to cultural icon status. With stunning visuals, in-depth rules, full
stereo sound and classic film clips, Dutch Pinball’s The Big LebowskiTM Pinball
Machine brings players directly in The Dude’s world.
“The Big LebowskiTM Pinball gives Pinheads and Achievers an unprecedented
opportunity to experience the film first-hand by immersing them in the storyline and
allowing them to interact with the classic characters we all love,” said Barry Driessen,
Creative Director and Chief Designer of Dutch Pinball. “As tremendous fans of the
movie, we are all thrilled to have received this license from Universal so we can
finally bring The Dude where he belongs, to the playfield.”
Preorders for The Big LebowskiTM Pinball Machine are now available on
http://www.thebiglebowskipinball.com
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another pinball company with a production facility and a license - go the dutch but the price is up there at $9700 Aus not including shipping and available in 2015 - gives you time to save.
At least we know the guys can programme and that it will most probably be a similar coloured DMD to the bride of pinbot 2.0 and there teaser video is well done, better than Stern's videos that didn't really happen for Star Trek.
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Ok, time to get that second job I think.
I wonder if there'll be a distributor in Australia?
This will really tie the room together nicely.
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Cheers!
Adam.
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Anybody going to preorder one
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Anybody going to preorder one
I won't pre-order any pin again.
Having said that, this is a insane theme and is on the top of my list. The soundtrack and audio quotes alone would make this game killer.
Best coen bros film ever.
Looking forward to seeing the completed game.
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Funny movie, can't beat the scattering of Donny's ashes scene, GOLD! *)*
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That scene is priceless.
it is ^^^
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Anybody going to preorder one
I won't pre-order any pin again.
Having said that, this is a insane theme and is on the top of my list. The soundtrack and audio quotes alone would make this game killer.
Best coen bros film ever.
Looking forward to seeing the completed game.
Yes, yes and yes!!! Agree, agree and agree....wow, agreeing with Cow Corner. Who would have thought. %.%
Not to mention Philip Seymour Hoffman being awesome in this movie as well. Time to crack out the White Russians and watch Lebowski again on the weekend.
Cheers!
Adam.
P.s. this machine will be a killer. Hopefully machines make their way to Australia.
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Not to mention Philip Seymour Hoffman being awesome in this movie as well.
And sadly died on the weekend.
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Anybody going to preorder one
I won't pre-order any pin again.
Having said that, this is a insane theme and is on the top of my list. The soundtrack and audio quotes alone would make this game killer.
Best coen bros film ever.
Looking forward to seeing the completed game.
Yes, yes and yes!!! Agree, agree and agree....wow, agreeing with Cow Corner. Who would have thought. %.%
Not to mention Philip Seymour Hoffman being awesome in this movie as well. Time to crack out the White Russians and watch Lebowski again on the weekend.
Cheers!
Adam.
P.s. this machine will be a killer. Hopefully machines make their way to Australia.
Agree with me, wow have you been drinking?
So sad to hear about Hoffman.....he was one of the most talented actors I have ever seen. heroin is a c..t of a drug.
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Anybody going to preorder one
I won't pre-order any pin again.
Having said that, this is a insane theme and is on the top of my list. The soundtrack and audio quotes alone would make this game killer.
Best coen bros film ever.
Looking forward to seeing the completed game.
Yes, yes and yes!!! Agree, agree and agree....wow, agreeing with Cow Corner. Who would have thought. %.%
Not to mention Philip Seymour Hoffman being awesome in this movie as well. Time to crack out the White Russians and watch Lebowski again on the weekend.
Cheers!
Adam.
P.s. this machine will be a killer. Hopefully machines make their way to Australia.
Agree with me, wow have you been drinking? *)*
So sad to hear about Hoffman.....he was one of the most talented actors I have ever seen. Heroin is a c..t of a drug.
If the Lebowski pin is half as good as the movie is it will be very hard for me not to purchase one if they are still available.
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Some updated info:
Here it is: our first official newsletter for The Big Lebowski Pinball™!
We thought it would be nice to send the first newsletter on Shabbas. We know you are dying to hear news about The Big Lebowski Pinball™ and that's why we've put together The New Shit Newsletter™ -- so every time new shit comes to light, you'll be one of the first to know. It's our way of keeping you up to date with what's happening at Dutch Pinball, and more importantly, it's our way of saying thanks for supporting us.
In our next The New Shit Newsletter™ we will reveal the graphics of the cabinet and backglass. In the meantime, if you have any suggestions for upcoming editions of the The New Shit Newsletter™, please let us know here.
Our new home!
We've finished the move to our new, state-of-the-art office, and it's equipped with 3D printers, laser cutters, and the strongest coffee machine we could get. We now have plenty of space and tools for testing the toys, laying out the playfield, and assembling the first prototypes.
You want a toe?
I can get you a toe. One of the most important elements of TBL Pinball is the artwork, so we're spending lots of time making sure we get every detail right, even the toe. We're working closely with Universal Pictures to get the artwork approved and expect to release it to our fans shortly.
We asked and the fans abide.
We asked what you wanted to see in The Big Lebowski Pinball™, and in true Pinhead style, you abided. After going through hundreds of suggestions, we have selected our Top 5 -- the ones that got the most submissions, made us laugh the loudest, and had to be shared:
#5. Smash Larry's car mode: Walter: “Is this your homework, Larry?"
#4. Jackie Treehorn "Spiked White Russian" mode: Maybe the flippers have a delay and the lights slowly dim like you're about to fall unconscious? :-)
#3. If you you press the start button without credit: “Where's the money, Lebowski?". Press it again: "Where's the f**king money, shithead?!"
#2. The machine is able to tell when it is technically Shabbas in the player's local time zone. Walter will need some extra convincing to cooperate in the game. “Saturday is Shabbas. Jewish day of rest. Means I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f**king ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as shit don't f**king roll!”
#1. Tilt warning callouts:
Single Warning: "Careful, man, there's a beverage here!"
Double warning: "This aggression will not stand!"
Tilt: ”YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT" / "you're bring very undude" / "mark it zero, dude"
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The tilt callout should always only ever be "Mark it zero".
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here is the proto-type playfield, and they said that they are currently laser cutting sample playfields for testing as well as 3D printing sample toys.
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here is the proto-type playfield, and they said that they are currently laser cutting sample playfields for testing as well as 3D printing sample toys.
Looks great so far, so much happening in pinball right now!
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looks like the creature window might get used as well
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quote from one of the guys in the know: as described in the article DP is subcontracting the assembly of the pin to a local company specialized in making machines for third parties. This makes their investment a lot smaller and makes sure that experienced people are assembling the pins with proper machinery. So there startup time is expected to be a lot faster as JJP for instance (no new factory is to be build and skilled engineers are in place) and your money is thus more safe.
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More safe???...
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Haha yeah, "more safe".
Lebowski is probably a dream pin for me, but will wait for it to be built first. The selling price is currently a barrier and the whole putting money down on a machine that doesn't exist.
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the bottom playfield has a very cool feature - bowling alley
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No wucking fay dude! That's awesome.
Very intriguing pinball this one.
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the bottom playfield has a very cool feature - bowling alley
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Wow, very cool indeed.
Watched the movie again last night, it's a blast...one of my fav films of all time.
This is going to be one very sweet game.
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This is looking great, love the effort that they are putting into the updates!
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pic and vid
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That was exciting to watch-NOT! @.@
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The tilt callout should always only ever be "Mark it zero".
No way! The tilt shout out should be "shut the f**k up Donnie" ;) Z
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nice attention to detail
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The tilt callout should always only ever be "Mark it zero".
No way! The tilt shout out should be "shut the f**k up Donnie" ;) Z
+1
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from the Dutch Magazine "Spinner"
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these guys know how to do a promotional video ^^^
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Damn good vid. Recently watched TBL again and the montages are very funny. Artwork looks good.
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Damn good vid. Recently watched TBL again and the montages are very funny.
+1
Very curious now, as a rule I NEVER pre order though. Let's hope a couple come to AUS.
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Phil from DP told me that there are a couple slated to come here. As to which State(s), no idea.
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Phil from DP told me that there are a couple slated to come here. As to which State(s), no idea.
Of course he would have told you that %$%
So far does look good tho ()
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Everything these guys have shown so far has been awesome. Cabinet art and translite both look great:
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Would love to own this machine, but not a fan of pre-ordering a pinball and can't picture myself going through the hassle of importing one myself. Maybe one day DP will have an Aussie Distributor.
Loving that backglass and cabinet!
Cheers!
Adam.
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I'd never heard of the Big Lebowski before this pin was announced lol I'd better watch the movie to tie it all in. But I'm glad the fans are happy :-)
Peter
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One of my all time favourite movies, Peter! Not something I "got" on first viewing though. It's now one of those funny quotable movies that always makes me chuckle and can watch over and over again. Not everyone's taste though.
Hmmmm save for this or that nice Luci I see that just popped up for sale? Will never keep up with these pin men!
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New pictures of the behind-the-scenes development of The Big Lebowski pinball from Dutch Pinball's Facebook page:
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Their website is also looking really great:
http://www.thebiglebowskipinball.com/
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I am really liking the look and attention to detail in this machine.. nice METAL apron with the 50's atomic stars cut out.. that is a very nice touch... the under PF bowling alley etc.
Seems these guys are setting a whole new standard and im loving it!
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We have prototype -
Regardless of the theme which doesn't appeal to me, this is the tech direction where pinball should be heading - make a note Stern.
Great work!
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thanks for sharing, looks nice and they have done well to get this done - wonder if it will be at Expo in a few weeks.
here is more info
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/biglebowski/index.html
lots of photos, and it is a beautiful machine
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Bling!
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Anybody pulling the trigger on one of these?
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This machine is going to be killer!
Fantastic updates, that's the way to provide customer service!
Can't wait!
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There's certainly a lot going on with this one.
Looks great ^^^
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Wow looks very nice.
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Dutch Pinball has raised the bar. Hope to see a lot of these in Australia.
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This game looks like real quality. I'd never heard of the theme before but regardless it certainly looks like a game I would like to play. They've done an awesome job.
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That's is a cool attract mode. I think the colour screen looks good and not to overbearing.
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Any idea on cost? Landed in Oz?
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This game looks like real quality. I'd never heard of the theme before but regardless it certainly looks like a game I would like to play. They've done an awesome job.
It's a cult movie by the Coen Brothers. Brilliant!
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Any idea on cost? Landed in Oz?
Between 10.5k and 12k landed depending on our dollar in the next 7 months.
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http://www.thebiglebowskipinball.com/preorder
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Watched this for the second time recently and liked/got it more.
Machine looks great, cant wait to see some video of it in action.
Hope to see some here in Aus...
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Any idea on cost? Landed in Oz?
Between 10.5k and 12k landed depending on our dollar in the next 7 months.
Worth every cent!
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Any idea on cost? Landed in Oz?
Between 10.5k and 12k landed depending on our dollar in the next 7 months.
Cool thanks for that ^^^
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I know Aus$ compare to US$ is much better for us than Aus$ against the Euro, but just as a comparison how much is a NIB Stern landed?
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I know Aus$ compare to US$ is much better for us than Aus$ against the Euro, but just as a comparison how much is a NIB Stern landed?
STLE was 10.5k so on par with the TBL?
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A little look at the game and the display.
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Some classic Walter for shits and giggles.
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Shame the game doesn't actually play yet it only works in attract mode :( so it's hard to decide whether its a winner :) time will tell
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Shame the game doesn't actually play yet it only works in attract mode :( so it's hard to decide whether its a winner :) time will tell
Theme, artwork, lcd, pf layout alone put it on the road for sure but your right it still needs to play well.
All b'w prts give me confidence though. The build quality looks exceptional and the attention to detail with the theme is top shelf. The pf shots look very cool!
Clips and songs from the film plus callouts from the film too.
It will be playable at the next pinball expo thingy in the states this Oct apparently.
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Shame the game doesn't actually play yet it only works in attract mode :( so it's hard to decide whether its a winner :) time will tell
Theme, artwork, lcd, pf layout alone put it on the road for sure but your right it still needs to play well.
All b'w prts give me confidence though. The build quality looks exceptional and the attention to detail with the theme is top shelf. The pf shots look very cool!
Clips and songs from the film plus callouts from the film too.
It will be playable at the next pinball expo thingy in the states this Oct apparently.
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Yeah it sure does look sexy :) is it PC based like WOZ?
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They have spent a lot of time and money and it looks well thought out, HOWEVER, the theme is massively outdated because the movie was a long long time ago. That kills it big time for me, and I wasn't into the movie at all. Although the Bridges brothers are very good actors, it isn't attractive as a package to me.
The question I am wondering about , is will they actually get the numbers on such a old movie to make it financially viable. Then there is resale ? Value. Seems very niche....
But yes, they have done a magnificent job. Attention to detail is first class.
Wouldn't mind seeing them do a much more modern theme...
Anyone know how old the movie is.
I guess Wikipedia will have the answer.
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Lack of large plastic toy centre stage that does nothing is certainly a killer for this...
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They have spent a lot of time and money and it looks well thought out, HOWEVER, the theme is massively outdated because the movie was a long long time ago. That kills it big time for me, and I wasn't into the movie at all. Although the Bridges brothers are very good actors, it isn't attractive as a package to me.
The question I am wondering about , is will they actually get the numbers on such a old movie to make it financially viable. Then there is resale ? Value. Seems very niche....
But yes, they have done a magnificent job. Attention to detail is first class.
Wouldn't mind seeing them do a much more modern theme...
Anyone know how old the movie is.
I guess Wikipedia will have the answer.
It's not for you....it aint a Stern.
:lol
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They have spent a lot of time and money and it looks well thought out, HOWEVER, the theme is massively outdated because the movie was a long long time ago. That kills it big time for me, and I wasn't into the movie at all. Although the Bridges brothers are very good actors, it isn't attractive as a package to me.
The question I am wondering about , is will they actually get the numbers on such a old movie to make it financially viable. Then there is resale ? Value. Seems very niche....
But yes, they have done a magnificent job. Attention to detail is first class.
Wouldn't mind seeing them do a much more modern theme...
Anyone know how old the movie is.
I guess Wikipedia will have the answer.
the US guys love the movie so they will get sales and maybe there intention is not to make an absolute crap load of pins on the first game. I think they have done a fantastic job so far - haven't seen the movie but the game looks incredible.
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I don't think the game will be limited, only the extra stuff with the preorders.
The movie has a huge worldwide cult following, my fingers are crossed that DP continue down this path of cult adult themes. There are so many possibilities for future titles.
The callouts are going to be a real highlight on this game, so many crackers to choose from!
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I think I'll have to watch this movie!!
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This poll is interesting.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twdle-vs-tbl
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How about the work gone into that bowling assembly! :D
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How about the work gone into that bowling assembly! :D
Yes, it looks BRILLIANT!
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Some more Lebowski gold dude!
:lol
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thanks for sharing, looks nice and they have done well to get this done - wonder if it will be at Expo in a few weeks.
here is more info
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/biglebowski/index.html
lots of photos, and it is a beautiful machine
Looks amazing, love the movie, great theme for a pin
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if you pre order this weekend you get a cool sort of mod, TBL Rug (see photo)
also for a few other photos, including one with the car exposed here
http://www.pinball-magazine.com
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Gary Stern and Steve Ritchie check out TBL
The 2nd pic is one posted by someone on pinside, I thought it was good for a giggle.
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He might be saying
"So that's what you come up with Dude when everybody in the design team is smoking really strong Dutch hydro Marijuana !" Lol
He's then probably then thinking who is putting up the 5 or ten million to get the factory up and running and if TBL will put Jersey Jack and Heighway out of business for me even earlier....
"Maybe he thinks the more competition going on over in Europe, the smaller the pie that each of them will have to fight over to survive..."
Don't count out old Gary just yet. It ain't his first rodeo. Lol
If it means bigger and better Sterns, then bring it on.
Something tells me Stern ain't going to give up number one spot very easily.
He has probably rallied the entire design team back at Stern Headquarters and said, its War !
Let's kill em all (release the zombies) lol
Anyway, competition, here we come. Grab the popcorn.
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White Russian with every game :)
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Such a very cool photo !
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Such a very cool photo !
Yeah my buddy played it at the VIP party and now he wants one he says it's awesome and they where only the prototypes.
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Looks like Dutch Pinball have raised the bar for pinball innovation.
I really liking this game. Looks A1
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Agree, looks a Awersome game, guessing a lot of guys have yanked $ back from THLE & MMR pre orders & jumped on this,
these guys are hard to ignore now,
Stern still in front with entry level machines with no competition ()
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White Russian with every game :)
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That's a mean Caucasian dude!
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Behind translite
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What is the general consensus of PC based machines these days like WOZ and The Big L. ?
Is the PC way to go, or is Stern still doing it the right or wrong way with a system that won't become obsolete like everything does in the computer industry ?
What is the best way to design a pins operating system ?
Who has it right and who has it wrong ?
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yeah I just heard recently that at the moment Dutch Pinball are using a P-roc system which alot of people are using for custom machines and DP are using for the BoP 2.0 upgrade, so it is a combo of a small computer and a few dedicated p-roc boards for motor, switch and lighting.
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I don't have a strong opinion on whether a PC based system is good or not - although i would assume that a dedicated board set would be more efficient at running but more expensive to develop AND at least a dedicated boardset with largely through hole components can be repaired by the hobbyist.
I wouldn't be so sure that Stern is sticking with their boardset. Here is a photo i took earlier in the year of an ACDC premium with a boardset i had never seen before. It was a local guy that bought it for home, and then called me as it was shooting balls out on power up. I assumed it would be a trough switch, but had no idea where to start once i opened it up. There are a heap of under playfield boards linked by network cables - unsure how smart it is to have lots of soldered components near solenoids with lots of vibration.
Old mate ended up being given a replacement machine by AMD, so not sure if this was sent by mistake or not?
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I don't have a strong opinion on whether a PC based system is good or not - although i would assume that a dedicated board set would be more efficient at running but more expensive to develop AND at least a dedicated boardset with largely through hole components can be repaired by the hobbyist.
I wouldn't be so sure that Stern is sticking with their boardset. Here is a photo i took earlier in the year of an ACDC premium with a boardset i had never seen before. It was a local guy that bought it for home, and then called me as it was shooting balls out on power up. I assumed it would be a trough switch, but had no idea where to start once i opened it up. There are a heap of under playfield boards linked by network cables - unsure how smart it is to have lots of soldered components near solenoids with lots of vibration.
Old mate ended up being given a replacement machine by AMD, so not sure if this was sent by mistake or not?
WTF is that?? !@# !@#
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Looks a bit like a rasberry pi or similar....
Was pretty funny that when it was posted it on pinside , they all claimed it was fake!
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Looks a bit like a rasberry pi or similar....
Was pretty funny that when it was posted it on pinside , they all claimed it was fake!
Looks completely lost in the header... maybe pinball machines will go back to a more 30's style profile now that technology has shrunk everything down to the size of a pea( apart from my wifes phone which doesn't fit in my pocket)..
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Ricochetsides1_zps8ea6d05e.jpg)
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Papa does a TBL video
http://papa.org/2014/12/12/big-lebowski-pinball-machine-by-dutch-pinball/
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Despite the theme, I am really starting to warm to this title. ^^^
Just from the video, you can see the build quality of the whole package is outstanding.
The screen technology is ideal for where pinball needs to be to attract the next generation. Not just a single bland red that automatically dates the product to circa 1999 from the get-go, but colourised to catch the attention of those in the immediate vicinity.
Thanks for posting swinks. *%*
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I think the game looks BRILLIANT although I confess to knowing nothing about the theme.
Using a PC WILL cause the owners of these MASSIVE problems in a few years time. A PC is NOT designed nor is it suitable for this work. It is used as a cheapskates way of building a very SHORT LIFESPAN product.
Let's see how they are all going in a few years and just how easy it will be to swap the mainboard when the RAM/Power Supply/Micro/BIOS/Drives and possibly even the USB/other ports/IO are all DIFFERENT!! Try loading the current operating system onto your replacement mainboard.......it isn't going to happen!!!
People will be scrambling to buy up old PCs to swipe the mainboard from (if in fact they are still functional anyway).
Big BIG mistake IMO.
Stern have got it right as did WMS all those years ago - how simple is it even for a reasonably unskilled (electronically speaking) person to repair a WMS mainboard or send it out and have it repaired for $80?
I just shake my head in wonder at how so many can be deceived by this......
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I think the game looks BRILLIANT although I confess to knowing nothing about the theme.
Using a PC WILL cause the owners of these MASSIVE problems in a few years time. A PC is NOT designed nor is it suitable for this work. It is used as a cheapskates way of building a very SHORT LIFESPAN product.
Let's see how they are all going in a few years and just how easy it will be to swap the mainboard when the RAM/Power Supply/Micro/BIOS/Drives and possibly even the USB/other ports/IO are all DIFFERENT!! Try loading the current operating system onto your replacement mainboard.......it isn't going to happen!!!
People will be scrambling to buy up old PCs to swipe the mainboard from (if in fact they are still functional anyway).
Big BIG mistake IMO.
Stern have got it right as did WMS all those years ago - how simple is it even for a reasonably unskilled (electronically speaking) person to repair a WMS mainboard or send it out and have it repaired for $80?
I just shake my head in wonder at how so many can be deceived by this......
I'll never buy one of these or similar because of what you have mentioned Mike :) just scares the shit out of me I'll stick with the Stern or similar set up.
pinsanity can tell us how reliable his machine is that's if he buys one lol
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I think the game looks BRILLIANT although I confess to knowing nothing about the theme.
Using a PC WILL cause the owners of these MASSIVE problems in a few years time. A PC is NOT designed nor is it suitable for this work. It is used as a cheapskates way of building a very SHORT LIFESPAN product.
Let's see how they are all going in a few years and just how easy it will be to swap the mainboard when the RAM/Power Supply/Micro/BIOS/Drives and possibly even the USB/other ports/IO are all DIFFERENT!! Try loading the current operating system onto your replacement mainboard.......it isn't going to happen!!!
People will be scrambling to buy up old PCs to swipe the mainboard from (if in fact they are still functional anyway).
Big BIG mistake IMO.
Stern have got it right as did WMS all those years ago - how simple is it even for a reasonably unskilled (electronically speaking) person to repair a WMS mainboard or send it out and have it repaired for $80?
I just shake my head in wonder at how so many can be deceived by this......
I'll never buy one of these or similar because of what you have mentioned Mike :) just scares the shit out of me I'll stick with the Stern or similar set up.
pinsanity can tell us how reliable his machine is that's if he buys one lol
+1
Considering I run a business, I avoid Pinball2000 games due to the PC based problems. Coming from an IT background - PCs are PCs. They are designed to be replaced after 3 months. Technology changes. I would never buy a PC based pinball.
The build on this game is VERY good, but the PC is a huge letdown.
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Here we go again @.@. It is a pinball machine first and foremost, it WILL break! PC based or not.
We are freaks and WILL find a way to fix it regardless. It is what it is. Let's play. Looks like a A LOT of FUN to me and good one to those who bought or are considering to buy.
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I'll never buy one of these or similar because of what you have mentioned Mike :) just scares the shit out of me I'll stick with the Stern or similar set up.
pinsanity can tell us how reliable his machine is that's if he buys one lol
We fear what we don't understand. <.>
This is the way forward for pinball.
Here we go again @.@. It is a pinball machine first and foremost, it WILL break! PC based or not.
We are freaks and WILL find a way to fix it regardless. It is what it is. Let's play. Looks like a A LOT of FUN to me and good one to those who bought or are considering to buy.
Hear, hear.
I currently have a Predator preorder but at the end of the day it is still old tech that will look obsolete sitting next to my WoZ. It is bad enough having to look at single colour orange and red displays sitting next to a machine with a ColorDMD installed.
Anyone interested in a Predator preorder slot for $3000US? Single colour orange DMD. %.%
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Here we go again @.@. It is a pinball machine first and foremost, it WILL break! PC based or not.
We are freaks and WILL find a way to fix it regardless. It is what it is. Let's play. Looks like a A LOT of FUN to me and good one to those who bought or are considering to buy.
Pinball 2000 cannot be repaired no matter what you do - they are being parted out because of the PC issues ONLY!!!
It is a shame but it must be realised the only reason these machines have big colour screens is because it's dead easy to run an AVI etc. on a PC - that isn't the entire story and I'm saddened that people are not seeing this.
I could very easily have followed this same path and things would have been far easier and much faster to production but wait a couple of years and let's see who is in front then...........
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I'll never buy one of these or similar because of what you have mentioned Mike :) just scares the shit out of me I'll stick with the Stern or similar set up.
pinsanity can tell us how reliable his machine is that's if he buys one lol
We fear what we don't understand. <.>
This is the way forward for pinball.
Massive WRONG! We know exactly how unreliable PC mainboards are and if this is the way forward for pinball then expect to be throwing your new machines away after a few years IMO
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Here we go again @.@. It is a pinball machine first and foremost, it WILL break! PC based or not.
We are freaks and WILL find a way to fix it regardless. It is what it is. Let's play. Looks like a A LOT of FUN to me and good one to those who bought or are considering to buy.
Pinball 2000 cannot be repaired no matter what you do - they are being parted out because of the PC issues ONLY!!!
It is a shame but it must be realised the only reason these machines have big colour screens is because it's dead easy to run an AVI etc. on a PC - that isn't the entire story and I'm saddened that people are not seeing this.
I could very easily have followed this same path and things would have been far easier and much faster to production but wait a couple of years and let's see who is in front then...........
and theres the pitch, me, me, me! its meant to be fun Mike, Jesus, stop harshing stuff others do! I like what you are doing but sometimes your opinions are not warranted. you need to work on how you come across Dude, you are not a messiah and why should you be saddened by others not seeing your way?
People WILL find a way to fix it regardless.
If you are right, you are right. WGAF!
Sorry man but sometimes you just sxxt me with your higher than though attitude.
Theme is a KILLER and the game looks like ALOT of fun to play and hopefully we will see on site to help revitalise pinball even more.
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Here we go again @.@. It is a pinball machine first and foremost, it WILL break! PC based or not.
We are freaks and WILL find a way to fix it regardless. It is what it is. Let's play. Looks like a A LOT of FUN to me and good one to those who bought or are considering to buy.
My observation draws on the analogy of P2K system VS anything prior.
From a business perspective, I will source ANY machines I can get my hands on. Six years ago, I was importing EMs - No other importer would go near them. They are 40+ years old - but I can still get the parts to restore any EM from any era.
Solid States - Don't care - Zaccaria, Gameplan, Bally, Williams and ESPECIALLY Gottlieb. There is NO game that cannot be revived.
P2K - Dead MPU / Missing Prism / burnt monitors.. These are proprietary systems. Yes - GREAT technology - but NOT sustainable.
APR has an inventory of over 200 pinball machines (and 80 coming). Of this inventory, there is ONE SINGLE SWEP1 - and I bought this game because my son loved Star Wars.
Bottom line - the assumption that P2K "ca be fixed" is not entirely correct. Just ask the crew at Newcore - P2K's savior. Need a playfield glass ? I can get a standard for $40. P2K will cost $400..
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I won't bother commenting further - let what happens, happen.
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I won't bother commenting further - let what happens, happen.
^^^
You weren't commenting you were just being you.
People also whinge about surface mount tech in newer Sterns, I don't care, just play.things ain't gonna change as this is how we move forward by trial and error and either learning by mistakes or to keep making them.
Who am I to judge? Just a dumb surfy.
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I won't bother commenting further - let what happens, happen.
^^^
You weren't commenting you were just being you.
People also whinge about surface mount tech in newer Sterns, I don't care, just play.things ain't gonna change as this is how we move forward by trial and error and either learning by mistakes or to keep making them.
Who am I to judge? Just a dumb surfy.
Good point - But - I can buy a replacement Stern CPU board for around $500. In 10 years, I should be able to buy the same board for $200. Maybe someone like Homepin or Rottendog, or Pascal might repro the same board and I can still restore the LOTR to a high standard with repro boards - maybe an "all in one".
Nucore TRIED to resurrect the software side of the platform. A great product, but too many people prevented this from saving so many games !!!
Once the P2K Cyrix processor is obsolete. The P2K MPU board is obsolete. No one repros PRISM boards. No one repros 20 year old PC CPU boards. Try contacting ANY CPU board manufacturer to reproduce a 20 year old CPU board !
History has already provided enough evidence. SMD technology has been around a long time and it is not proprietary. P2K was the most impressive innovation of the last 30 years - but it was NEVER designed to last as long as ANY platform before it.
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I won't bother commenting further - let what happens, happen.
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You weren't commenting you were just being you.
People also whinge about surface mount tech in newer Sterns, I don't care, just play.things ain't gonna change as this is how we move forward by trial and error and either learning by mistakes or to keep making them.
Who am I to judge? Just a dumb surfy.
Good point - But - I can buy a replacement Stern CPU board for around $500. In 10 years, I should be able to buy the same board for $200. Maybe someone like Homepin or Rottendog, or Pascal might repro the same board and I can still restore the LOTR to a high standard with repro boards - maybe an "all in one".
Nucore TRIED to resurrect the software side of the platform. A great product, but too many people prevented this from saving so many games !!!
Once the P2K Cyrix processor is obsolete. The P2K MPU board is obsolete. No one repros PRISM boards. No one repros 20 year old PC CPU boards. Try contacting ANY CPU board manufacturer to reproduce a 20 year old CPU board !
History has already provided enough evidence. SMD technology has been around a long time and it is not proprietary. P2K was the most impressive innovation of the last 30 years - but it was NEVER designed to last as long as ANY platform before it.
some one might do what they do with old pc games, create an emulator to play the software rather than remaking an old pc
That is a big Plus side to Pc style brains.
Why would you recreate old tech hardware when you can create emulators via software cheaper?
I would be willing to bet thats what people in the future will be doing with those pc based pinballs when they die in the arse.
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Cool new TBL video for those who have not seen it already.
http://papa.org/2014/12/12/big-lebowski-pinball-machine-by-dutch-pinball
#*#
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Seems the project has problems
seems like the Distributor has health issues and wants out
also seems that not all licensing issues have been sorted (no John Goodman likenesses)
they will probably still get this done, but it is another nail in the coffin of 'The Pre-order"
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dp-usa-refund-still-want-the-game
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Here is the email I got from DP.
Dear VIPs,
Although we would rather be focussing fully on our extremely fun VIP party in NYC - we want to take a moment and address some of the confusion that may have been caused by the refunds on some of your orders.
Although Phil announced to leave the company, he officially still is one of the three share holders of Dutch Pinball USA Inc. and in charge of the Dutch Pinball USA Inc. PayPal and bank account. The company building the game is Dutch Pinball BV and owned by Jaap and Barry.
We did everything in our power to settle issues in a normal way with Phil, but unfortunately he decided to take matters in his own hands and is doing whatever he's doing for reasons we don't know. We really regret your involvement in this situation and we hope we can settle this as soon as possible so we can focus on fun things again.
Our goal is to make awesome games. This will not be changed or damaged by an individual who just wants to discredit our success and/or our project(s).
Phil started some PayPal USA Inc. refunds without us knowing. Please don't worry, your order is still there and you will not lose your place in line.
As soon as your money is refunded, please go to your status page and 'retry' the payment(s). If you pay again like this, the payments will be processed to a new PayPal account and you're all done and your order is secured. If for some reason you can't retry, or if it doesn't work, please let us know. We might need a couple of days to fix this since it's weekend and some of us are in New York.
If your money is not (yet) refunded, you can always dispute this on your PayPal account to force a refund
Nothing else will change and all terms and conditions will remain the same for delivering your game and future games.
We are Dutch Pinball and are still on track to create this and many more awesome games!
Thanks for being a VIP and we hope to meet you again soon.
If you have any further questions, or concerns, please contact us at sales@dutchpinball.com. It might take some time to process all emails.
Team Dutch Pinball
Barry
Freek
Guus
Jaap
Jean-paul
Jules
Koen
Roel
Scott
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@CC
I hope that DP will still produce TBL, it looks like a great game
I hope that they can get approval for the likeness of John Goodman (not like he has stared in anything for the last 10 years)
but this will be a hit to the customers confidence, a lot of people will not give DP a second chance
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@CC
I hope that DP will still produce TBL, it looks like a great game
I hope that they can get approval for the likeness of John Goodman (not like he has stared in anything for the last 10 years)
but this will be a hit to the customers confidence, a lot of people will not give DP a second chance
Very true.
Time will tell I guess, great looking game with heaps of potential but all this extra bs from the DP is not comforting.
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I to hope it works out the more pinball the better :) but it isn't looking good! Maybe no pre orders and keep everything quiet is the way to go.
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I to hope it works out the more pinball the better :) but it isn't looking good! Maybe no pre orders and keep everything quiet is the way to go.
I think these new start ups should get project #1 delivered before they announce project #3
#1 BoP 2.0
#2 TBL
#3 BTTF 2.0
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Maybe, but I see molehill being turned into mountains on Pinside everyday
The smallest hicup and people start thinking it is the end of civilizeation
Not just pinside it seems.
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I think DP will be fine, still have a strong talented design crew. Just like JJP and other company's they will find their groove and things will start to level out.
As for the computer stuff, I am not a computer tech head and probably have some of this wrong, heck I like using a mac %.% (that normally divides people), but where there is a will there is a way and pretty sure regular game pins like the ones that run with proc using a small computer to bascially interface the program with the playfield mechs and lighting won't be a drama in many years to come. I think the pin 2000 is a little different because the game is unique as it needs the monitor graphics to be projected and interface with the game play otherwise it would be a crap player. It comes down to licence crap and how they couldn't be bothered looking after all those with a pinball - maybe PPB will fix this and the pins get a new run of energy.
Have to agree with pinsanity and oldskool - just sit back and enjoy the development - as long as these guys are around for a while then computer replacements will be available and sure they will discover better alternatives if they believe it is required and at least they are pushing the limits. I think a pin with any sort of lcd / video graphics will be impossible without a computer.
Some pins will break new ground and others will stick to old school tech and be limited because of it.
I have seen TBL yet but the pin theme looks cool and the quality outstanding - good on them.
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I think DP will be fine, still have a strong talented design crew. Just like JJP and other company's they will find their groove and things will start to level out.
As for the computer stuff, I am not a computer tech head and probably have some of this wrong, heck I like using a mac %.% (that normally divides people), but where there is a will there is a way and pretty sure regular game pins like the ones that run with proc using a small computer to bascially interface the program with the playfield mechs and lighting won't be a drama in many years to come. I think the pin 2000 is a little different because the game is unique as it needs the monitor graphics to be projected and interface with the game play otherwise it would be a crap player. It comes down to licence crap and how they couldn't be bothered looking after all those with a pinball - maybe PPB will fix this and the pins get a new run of energy.
Have to agree with pinsanity and oldskool - just sit back and enjoy the development - as long as these guys are around for a while then computer replacements will be available and sure they will discover better alternatives if they believe it is required and at least they are pushing the limits. I think a pin with any sort of lcd / video graphics will be impossible without a computer.
Some pins will break new ground and others will stick to old school tech and be limited because of it.
I have seen TBL yet but the pin theme looks cool and the quality outstanding - good on them.
"then computer replacements will be available"
This is the problem - they are NOT available. You cannot buy the PC system that P2K runs on because it is obsolete. Unobtainium. Nucore came along and REMOVED this problem with their open source software which runs on any computer - basically giving the platform a new lease of life with ANY hardware. In fact, there was talk of Wizard Blocks AND Playboy being developed on the Nucore platform. Then someone else came along and copied Nucore, then it all gets messy, and here we are - back at square one.
I agree that we should all look forward to the new developments - and if they MUST use PC based systems - by all means - ENJOY the games !
But IF these systems are developed in the same way as P2K - then expect exactly the same issues down the track.
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I think DP will be fine, still have a strong talented design crew. Just like JJP and other company's they will find their groove and things will start to level out.
As for the computer stuff, I am not a computer tech head and probably have some of this wrong, heck I like using a mac %.% (that normally divides people), but where there is a will there is a way and pretty sure regular game pins like the ones that run with proc using a small computer to bascially interface the program with the playfield mechs and lighting won't be a drama in many years to come. I think the pin 2000 is a little different because the game is unique as it needs the monitor graphics to be projected and interface with the game play otherwise it would be a crap player. It comes down to licence crap and how they couldn't be bothered looking after all those with a pinball - maybe PPB will fix this and the pins get a new run of energy.
Have to agree with pinsanity and oldskool - just sit back and enjoy the development - as long as these guys are around for a while then computer replacements will be available and sure they will discover better alternatives if they believe it is required and at least they are pushing the limits. I think a pin with any sort of lcd / video graphics will be impossible without a computer.
Some pins will break new ground and others will stick to old school tech and be limited because of it.
I have seen TBL yet but the pin theme looks cool and the quality outstanding - good on them.
"then computer replacements will be available"
This is the problem - they are NOT available. You cannot buy the PC system that P2K runs on because it is obsolete. Unobtainium. Nucore came along and REMOVED this problem with their open source software which runs on any computer - basically giving the platform a new lease of life with ANY hardware. In fact, there was talk of Wizard Blocks AND Playboy being developed on the Nucore platform. Then someone else came along and copied Nucore, then it all gets messy, and here we are - back at square one.
I agree that we should all look forward to the new developments - and if they MUST use PC based systems - by all means - ENJOY the games !
But IF these systems are developed in the same way as P2K - then expect exactly the same issues down the track.
I agree with you Nino and was my point that pin 2000 is unique but hopefully other companies have taken that on board and using a more generic computer based system so games can be run for a long time and just a matter of loading a program on to it and away they go. But until we know exactly what companies are using we should try to hold back a negative opinion without knowing all the details.
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Pinball 2000 cannot be repaired no matter what you do - they are being parted out because of the PC issues ONLY!!!
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This is simply not true, i have repaired many pinball 2000 Prism cards and motherboards. It is very rare that either cannot be repaired or become too costly to repair. Just because it is a PC motherboard does not mean it cant be repaired. Please dont let people scare you from buying or keeping a machine because it runs on a PC.
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Please dont let people scare you from buying or keeping a machine because it runs on a PC.
+1.
11 months into owning a WOZLE from new, and there has been nothing more serious than a few LED bulbs that needed adjusting upon first unboxing.
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Pinball 2000 cannot be repaired no matter what you do - they are being parted out because of the PC issues ONLY!!!
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This is simply not true, i have repaired many pinball 2000 Prism cards and motherboards. It is very rare that either cannot be repaired or become too costly to repair. Just because it is a PC motherboard does not mean it cant be repaired. Please dont let people scare you from buying or keeping a machine because it runs on a PC.
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+1
nice to hear, thanks for sharing.
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the Dude abides, don't harsh his mellow. ()
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This is simply not true, i have repaired many pinball 2000 Prism cards and motherboards. It is very rare that either cannot be repaired or become too costly to repair. Just because it is a PC motherboard does not mean it cant be repaired. Please dont let people scare you from buying or keeping a machine because it runs on a PC.[/quote]
Not to discredit your statement, just interested in how you go about those repairs. Do particular components fail and how do you go with obtaining the suitable parts for these repairs? Also, I haven't heard of anybody repairing the Prism card - wonder why owners experiencing failures haven't sought repair, rather look for replacements?
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I have had 3 different pin2000 games.
All needed software updates. That in itself was a complete nightmare finding a really old laptop to do the updates with an ancient port no longer made. Prism cards were so over priced it wasn't funny.
Overall, a nightmare. One friends main board needed major work over and above the usual fan replacement etc. That was hit n miss n very costly.
Pin2000 is very lucky or a big boo boo depending on the machine.
If it's an example where PC based pinballs are heading back to, I think time and technology will make the Pin2000 fiasco and fix up hassles a big nightmare again. The average owner will have no idea how to fix.
Pin2000 was hard enough for two experienced electronics guys.
Just hope the PC based designers think way ahead to obsolete computer part issues. Which is never far away with PC based anything....
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Hitler chimes in!
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Hitler chimes in!
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no matter how many times I see these, it just gets better and better %.%
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This is simply not true, i have repaired many pinball 2000 Prism cards and motherboards. It is very rare that either cannot be repaired or become too costly to repair. Just because it is a PC motherboard does not mean it cant be repaired. Please dont let people scare you from buying or keeping a machine because it runs on a PC.
Not to discredit your statement, just interested in how you go about those repairs. Do particular components fail and how do you go with obtaining the suitable parts for these repairs? Also, I haven't heard of anybody repairing the Prism card - wonder why owners experiencing failures haven't sought repair, rather look for replacements?
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Its very rare a custom part fails on these things, its almost always some off the shelf glue logic chips that are the problem. The motherboards have the usual electrolytic cap issues that most boards have and if caught in time don't cause any damage. The other most common issue is the Super i/o chip which is very easy to find and replace. The prism card contains a couple of chips that are not readily available but still can be sourced but the majority of components on that board are off the shelf items that can be found and replaced. Of course this is just a few examples of what goes.
When i came into this industry i found exactly as you describe ( people look for replacements over repair). I put this down to the fact the boards are SMD components and have the stigma of not being serviceable when in reality the majority of repairs to anything surface mount is far easier than any through hole repairs. It is true that SMD components are sometimes harder to find as their build life is always shorter but harder does not make impossible. The prism card is nothing special it just has a bad reputation from all the people who condemn the part mostly from what ive seen in online forums.
People seem to demonize anything with SMD components and so it has become the norm to source a replacement. Most of it due to technicians not keeping their skills up to date and telling customers that their board is un repairable because its all SMD components. Most of the boards i repair come from customers who have been told that the board ( Insert whatever board) is beyond repair because its either more than the one drive transistor they usually replace or due to it having SMD parts or custom chips being blamed as the culprit when the repair just gets too hard..
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Warning to those buying TBL
The shit has hit the fan on social media with facebook and on pin side with the person who is the USA ? Distributor wanting out, talking about one of the DPinball owners stealing $60,000.00 pounds and money being evaporated at the speed of light.
The articles I read opened up with a nuclear mushroom cloud coming out of the TBL games Playfield and all the reading just got worse and worse ! It seems this thing is not approved at all by any of the licensing it requires by Universal and the conversations by the person from within the company talks about lying directors and rip offs and mass refunds.
It has been described as people pulling out as the TBL Cluster f**k !
I said from day one I found it hard that the USA guys would so easily trust the Europeans half way round the world. I said the same thing about putting money down for JJP without paying Jack directly cause the risks were blatant and severe. People told me I didn't know what I was talking about. History shows my concerns were absolutely correct.
When are Aussies going to learn talk is cheap setting up a pinball company and you shld only pay for finished products that are sitting right in front of you !
If you can't touch it, pay for it, and put it in your truck or trailer within a few minutes, then don't RISK your money on it.
Looks like DP have been taking money on a product that has not got licences approval and major internal money and management and owner factions.
What another mess for pinball.
Stern is safe. You have to give them that. These other startups, turbulent and very very risky sounds like one percent of it ! I trust Stern and AMD from Sydney. Proven time and time again as honest and they have a fantastic reputation. All the rest, forget it unless it's Stern/AMD. I would trust a Aussie I had met. Anyone else, pfffff. Not for me. Your money is too hard to earn to risk it with anyone else. That's my honest opinion. If this saves just one person getting ripped off like the WOZ debacle, I will be happy ! It can't happen again with any pinball company coming into Australia !
Do your own homework now, check out the other pinball forums worldwide, search facebook and Twitter etc. Make your own decision about your $$$ or deposits.
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sometimes you don't have to look over the pond, it's around us, buy off the shelf when it is ready to go on large ticket items.
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It seems to me that licensing laws are different (easier) in Holland than the uUSA
The problem that DP was ignoring was that to sell in the USA you have to go by their rules
I do know one guy that got refunded and is not getting back in
I hope it works out
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This circus continues..
Dear VIPs,
We want to reach out to you about the current situation involving the rumours on Pinside. We are aware of the thread and the worries over Dutch Pinball and The Big Lebowski project. It really hurts us that you are involved in this situation, which is something that should be settled in a professional, business manner. Unfortunately, we had no control over our customers being involved and we regret what is happening now. We want to assure you that we are very busy handling this situation privately and in the best possible way without discrediting anyone. As soon as we can share more information publicly, we will do so.
We know there has also been some recent speculation regarding the status of our very exciting pinball project and want to assure everyone that everything is under control without any problems. To that end, we have brought in Roger Sharpe, acclaimed licensing and marketing expert, to help us as we continue with our final approval process. Roger has extensive experience having worked on all of the Williams and Bally pinball licensing for over 12 1/2 years and his personal relationships with all of the movie studios ensures that we are right on target to bring everyone the best possible pinball product. Our apologies for any concerns that had been raised but know we are still on course and will continue to meet our deadlines and promises.
Please keep in mind that we are the guys that brought three awesome prototypes to Expo in October and to Modern Pinball NYC last weekend. We wouldn't been doing that if we had any bad intentions or wanted to defraud anyone. The only reason this is happening now is because of something that shouldn't be discussed publicly.
Again, we want to make an awesome game - and with this going on, we are even more motivated to do so.
We will answer all of your emails in the next couple of days/weeks, but we first need to deal with this situation and keep our focus on getting you your games.
Team Dutch Pinball
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Sorry CC
Any licensing issues should have been sorted out before they displayed the game at expo
To me, getting Rodger Sharpe involved now shows that there was a huge problem
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Sorry CC
Any licensing issues should have been sorted out before they displayed the game at expo
For sure, no argument from me here.
I am just passing on the email I was sent for others to read for themselves.
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Hitler chimes in again!
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While the situation is far from funny, I must admit that video was one of the best yet!
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That was I thought the least funny take on that video I have seen, only the Aussie connection in the last few lines got a grin out of me, that was funny, for all the wrong reasons.
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As far as I am aware Wayne refunded all pre purchasers of MM remake, I'm at a loss as to why people are hammering him?
I do give him full marks for this when he probably realised he couldn't make it happen - it's just a shame he refused my assistance at the time, all those years ago, things could have been so different today.......I guess we will never know.
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What about the human filth that kept all the WOZ money.
Where's his Hitler video and grave stone located ?
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As far as I am aware Wayne refunded all pre purchasers of MM remake, I'm at a loss as to why people are hammering him?
I do give him full marks for this when he probably realised he couldn't make it happen - it's just a shame he refused my assistance at the time, all those years ago, things could have been so different today.......I guess we will never know.
people got refunds but some lost out as some refunds were at the new exchange rate via paypal
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Anybody who is interested in Dutch pinball and The Big Lebowski would do well to listen to the following two episodes of Coast2Coast pinball released earlier this evening:
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-126-a-very-complicated-case-maude-or-just-my-opinion-man_33980
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-127-a-timely-evening-with-roger-sharpe_33981
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Looks like this project is picking up steam again.
All artwork is now approved, still on track for Q2 this year delivery. Email below:
Dear Lebowski Achiever,
We can look back on a period of achievement, on challenges met, competitors bested, obstacles overcome. It sure wasn’t easy all the time but we will come out stronger.
That’s what makes us men.
That and a pair of testicles.
We are pleased to present to you a new NSN with some good news!
Playfield approved!
We are very happy to announce that, with the tremendous help of Roger Sharpe, we now have the approvals for all of the artwork. We are very proud to present to you the final playfield of The Big Lebowski™ Pinball!
Production updates
2014 has been a great year for Dutch Pinball. We have built 5 prototypes that we showed on several pinball meetings like Pinball Expo in Chicago (USA), Dutch Pinball Open in Drunen (The Netherlands) and at the Modern Pinball Arcade in New York (USA). The feedback we received really is awesome! People were standing in line to play a game on The Big Lebowski™ Pinball and they love the game. Also the hand drawn artwork, the toys and the full color LED screen are very well received.
We now are testing the machines and preparing the production phase. Everything is still on track to start delivering the first TBL’s in Q2 2015.
If you want to pre-order your Big Lebowski™ Pinball machine, please go to www.thebiglebowskipinball.com to find out more!
We will keep you posted!
Team Dutch Pinball
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Rug mech in action:
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some very cool machines used to produced TBL
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Brings back some memories seeing such equipment. Maybe Stern could use this stuff
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Have to admit.. that is pretty cool!
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This is awesome! Their production facility is very impressive.
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This is the best pinball theme in ages, looks like it will be well worth the wait.
^^^
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some very cool machines used to produced TBL
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Very cool, great update!
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A video in touch with buyers current concerns: The video's purpose is to state that they can build and deliver.
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Really want to play one of these..
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Not even sure if they have a local distro yet?
Was tempted to buy just on build quality/game features alone and have it airfreighted in, but the theme itself does nothing for me so passed on it (couldn't even sit through the entire movie).