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Has anyone placed their name down for one of 500 of these treasures?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/holden-breaks-power-barrier-with-new-monster-20130426-2ihz2.html
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Has anyone placed their name down for one of 500 of these treasures?
http://www.smh.com.au/national/holden-breaks-power-barrier-with-new-monster-20130426-2ihz2.html
If I had a spare $95,000 definitely!
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95k for a car, I think I will pass.
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%.% $100 K for a HSV. It looks like a family sedan and a plain one at that.
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%.% $100 K for a HSV. It looks like a family sedan and a plain one at that.
The engine and transmission in this thing alone costs more than a family sedan. The engine output is just a little short of a racetrack Commodore which usually cost more than $200K. Do not be fooled by the family sedan look. This thing is meant for business.
I bet that GMH executives already have # 1-10 reserved.
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<..> %.% $100 K for a HSV. It looks like a family sedan and a plain one at that.
The engine and transmission in this thing alone costs more than a family sedan. The engine output is just a little short of a racetrack Commodore which usually cost more than $200K. Do not be fooled by the family sedan look. This thing is meant for business.
I bet that GMH executives already have # 1-10 reserved.
Meant for business ? In a straight line only %.% I wonder how it goes when it hits a corner #@#
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No thanks - my choice is only $89,500 new and driveaway.....see you on the other side of the mountain road in your tank %.%
(http://www.homepin.com/pics/2013lotus.jpg)
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No thanks - my choice is only $89,500 new and driveaway.....see you on the other side of the mountain road in your tank %.%
Had one of these for a short time - brilliant (if you can handle getting in and out and don't have any kids to transport).
Would like the 2+2 Evora.........
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The HSV would leave that Lotus Elise for dead. There is no substitute for cubic inches, Kilowatts and torque, corners or not, it would handle real well, don't worry about that.
The next release of the commodore, is based not on an Australian floor plan , but on the GM Global architecture which is going to be a exact copy of the next USA Chevy, which I have seen drawings off, which are similar to the HSV pictured at the start of the post, but alot uglier again. Goodbye VE, goodbye Australian made and Australian designed forever. This HSV, is the last of the big V8s, last of the V8 interceptors (I borrowed that from Mad Max.lol) but its the last before we get the American junk forever.
I am not a Holden fan, never have been, because they in earlier years, and including early VE's, were usually always poorly made compared to the Falcon variants, but a sad day for car building in Australia is coming with USA made commodores and the fugly American square-ish design philosophy with it-yuk.
But the HSV is a nice car, and worth 100 K compared to all the other stuff floating around at 4 times the price.
Heres my pick of fast cars below.lol I have owned a few Ford Hardtops, always great looking, good in a straight line, handling howdy doody.lol
Click pictures for bigger.
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There is no substitute for cubic inches, Kilowatts and torque
I once thought like that.
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<..> %.% $100 K for a HSV. It looks like a family sedan and a plain one at that.
The engine and transmission in this thing alone costs more than a family sedan. The engine output is just a little short of a racetrack Commodore which usually cost more than $200K. Do not be fooled by the family sedan look. This thing is meant for business.
I bet that GMH executives already have # 1-10 reserved.
Meant for business ? In a straight line only %.% I wonder how it goes when it hits a corner #@#
Check this American post where they mention a new technology called torque vectoring. I think this car is designed for high speed curves as well as straits. With all that torque, this thing might even leave yellow 2 doors in its dust.
http://jalopnik.com/the-holden-hsv-gts-is-the-575-horsepower-chevrolet-ss-w-480918993
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
Also, did I misread or mis understand that article ??, are Holden finally putting a Limited Slip Diff back into a V8 that Ford had 40 plus years ago ?
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
Also, did I misread or mis understand that article ??, are Holden finally putting a Limited Slip Diff back into a V8 that Ford had 40 plus years ago ?
My VESS-Z has LSD and I'm pretty sure all SS's have had LSD standard since around 2007. Prior to that it was certainly an option.
Mine is Walkinshaw enhanced and is certainly enough power. They are not a bad car for around the $40k to $50k but I would expect a lot more at $100k which a HSV falls short.
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U have a nice car then Marty. Maybe VE V8's came with a option of Limited slip Diffs. ^^^
A friend bought a Copper coloured Last of the last GTO Monaros. They made a 100 or 200 special run or something of them. Its done hardly any kilometres and since he is retired it only gets a weekend 5 minute drive. Very collectable, and its gone up in value. He bought it new from a dealer at a bargain price when the economy was crap. Fully optioned up. A real nice V8.
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
I would have to disagree with that.
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
I would have to disagree with that.
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The Camaro ZL1 with the same 6.2L engine will do 0-160kph in 3.9 seconds with a top speed of 300kph.
The HSV should see similar numbers.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/chevrolet/2012-2013-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-ar104765.html
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Road bike fast. Very quick. Nice !
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100k Lemmon – just like the rest of the HSV’s
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100k Lemmon – just like the rest of the HSV’s
You must have tested them all to make that sort of comment. What do you drive?
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A quick question to anybody who can answer it for me.
From memory, Ford Australia is in Melbourne, as is Toyota and also Holden.
That means, assuming I am correct, VIC is the Car capital of Australia, as well as the pinball capital of Australia. So u guys must have some nice top end versions-hot cars of the Big 3 manufacturers getting around. Is Melbourne (all VIC areas) a hotbed for Ford Vs Holden Vs Toyota ?? since all the factories are down there !@# Are some suburbs Ford suburbs cause the plant is nearby, and same for Holden or Toyota ?
QLD has its share of everything and we have some cool racetracks up here and also great dragstrips, but I am wondering what a Friday night down your way is like at a set of lights, hopefully some nice HSV's sliding up next to a few Hot GT Fords !
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NSW is a mixed bag of Ford and Holden with a lean towards the lion. I am a Chrysler fan from day one and have always driven modified 265 Hemis in my younger years. Always used to get bagged for driving Marickville Mercedes but those old Chryslers were bullet proof.
This HSV is not your every day car and only a handful of people will appreciate the awe of an angry 6.2L V8 in full flight.
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
I would have to disagree with that.
Got some race results to go with that statement?
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From memory, Ford Australia is in Melbourne, as is Toyota and also Holden.
That means, assuming I am correct, VIC is the Car capital of Australia
Nah, Holdens have been built exclusively in that little old country town called Adelaide, have been ever since the end of VL
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OK, didn't know that, Holdens / Commodores made in Adelaide...
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
I would have to disagree with that.
Got some race results to go with that statement?
Need to wait and see some time after August. Bit like WOZ or Metallica, everybody is excited but the proof will be in the pudding.
Out of curiosity, any turbo 6 or hot 4s good for 0-160 in 3.6 secs?
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That HSV, it WILL leave any rice burner or super charged/turbo six in its dust. I have a friend who had a Lotus Elise until he wrapped it around a pole going thru a roundabout far too fast and ripped the car into half. (no insurance either - ouchhh)
He said it was like the WRX he also got rid of, always had to rev it to the maximum like a boy racer because it just needed more grunt.
Hence, no substitute for cubic inches, kilowatts and torque. Make it handle, and u cant lose.
I would have to disagree with that.
Got some race results to go with that statement?
Need to wait and see some time after August. Bit like WOZ or Metallica, everybody is excited but the proof will be in the pudding.
Out of curiosity, any turbo 6 or hot 4s good for 0-160 in 3.6 secs?
I'm not much of a car person but Nissan skyline GTRs go alright.
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I don't know of anything sub 100 grand, stock from factory that will beat this new HSV.
I know a Ford FPV Typhoon 6cyl with a factory turbo is very quick, and can eat alot of V8s and performance cars, but 3.6 seconds to the ton/160 is motorbike quick.
If anyone can find a sub 100 K Auatralian (or other manufacturer) vehicle to beat it, I would be interested for sure.
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Yes Godzilla will do quicker times but they start at $175K. For that price you can almost buy 2 HSVs. 1 to drive and 1 NIB to sell down the track.
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My Godzilla came from Italy, and was only 2 grand. lol (has flippers, not tyres.lol) @.@
Will have to look up the fastest factory Aussie Ford for the quarter/160 kilometres per hour mark.
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These are the fastest Fords and Holdens in Australia right now. Both are 2008 models. Found this on Google.
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100k Lemmon – just like the rest of the HSV’s
You must have tested them all to make that sort of comment. What do you drive?
Had 2 of them still got 1 – the VE , one of the better looking Holden’s and the power is not bad for a big car
I just think you can buy a lot better these days for a 100k that will keep it’s value a lot longer
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My old VE SSV had a LSD from factory nice car and bloody quick I sold it before I lost my licence
Peter
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Will have to look up the fastest factory Aussie Ford for the quarter/160 kilometres per hour mark.
For years the fastest Aussie car was the Charger R/T E49, but only in a straight line.
I am not sure what knocked it off it's perch, perhaps a VN Group A SS?
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Will have to look up the fastest factory Aussie Ford for the quarter/160 kilometres per hour mark.
For years the fastest Aussie car was the Charger R/T E49, but only in a straight line.
I am not sure what knocked it off it's perch, perhaps a VN Group A SS?
Ah, the E49, still my favourite Aussie car. It held the honours as the fastest Aussie car for 36 years and was knocked off the perch by the HSV 427. The only hassle the E49 had was keeping the triple Webbers properly tuned. The 265 Hemi in standard form was a cracker but the power output in the E49 was an extra 60%. If there was not the supercar scare in the 70s, the 340 V8 in the E55s would have been a monster. The politicians pulled the plug before Chrysler could get the full potential of the 340.
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That thing is a Monster! Would love to own one
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Bit more info at the source link explains more on the technology and development. You need to know what your dollar is buying.
I can't see the GTS depreciating in value.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/new_hsv_gts_australias_most_powerful_car?origin=hpc1
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The Falcon GT in that list is good value, good buying at $70,000
Ford Falcon GT
Price: $70,790
Engine: Supercharged 5.0-litre V8
Power: 335kW and 570Nm
Transmission: Six-speed manual or six-speed auto
0 to 100km/h: 4.5 seconds
That's a Windsor HO build above from the USA. I ordered a special build 5 litre HO build and bought a Police Persuit Pack with a friend who was the Sales Manager at Peter Warren Ford in Sydney, and it came in only white or metallic Blue colour, but was basically a GT in the base spec interior and outside was base spec look, except the bulge bonnet and exhast. It was the fastest car I ever owned, and a better motor than the 5.4 litre cause it just seemed to rev a lot more.
I ordered in Auto, it would pull close to 190 in 2nd gear, run to about 245 in 3rd before it wanted more legs, and the rev limiter started to cut in around the 260 k mark. The fun of the year was the Mooney Mooney Run up the tollway leaving Sydney.
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Funny how things roll along. I remember the "Save the V8" campaign back in the 80s when GMH almost axed the V8. Only did the strong support from public change the bean counters mind. The same thing happens in pinball. There are cycles of ups and downs. At the moment we are on an up. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
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Petrol can only get dearer and dearer, although its dropped from $1.55 to $1.25 ish of late, who knows why ?
But if u have a daily driver that's a V8, its going to cost more to run, but you pay for quality, so who cares about the extra $50 a week if you get pleasure out of it. Prius V or hybrid camry for the wife, performance car for Dad.lol That's a good balance.lol
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I don't know of anything sub 100 grand, stock from factory that will beat this new HSV.
If you are talking about driving in a straight line, you are probably right. (If you can actually get all of that power down without lighting up the tyres!).
On a track though, even the "slowest" one of these Caterham's will eat it for breakfast http://www.caterhamcars.com.au/pricing.php
Going fast in a straight line is one thing, but hauling up that HSV's ~2 tonne weight and trying to make it go round corners is where it will all slow down.
There is a substitute for displacement, it's lightness and handling! ;)
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If you are talking about driving in a straight line, you are probably right. (If you can actually get all of that power down without lighting up the tyres!).
On a track though, even the "slowest" one of these Caterham's will eat it for breakfast http://www.caterhamcars.com.au/pricing.php
Going fast in a straight line is one thing, but hauling up that HSV's ~2 tonne weight and trying to make it go round corners is where it will all slow down.
There is a substitute for displacement, it's lightness and handling! ;)
As Colin Chapman (who designed what is now that Caterham of course) famously said, "Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere". It's a matter of which philosophy works for you - some want lots of horsepower, noise, grunt and all that, others prefer to finesse a machine to its limits. Horse(power)s for courses!
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Those kit cars aren't factory everyday stock from factory family cars with a roof and 5 seats like the HSV. The kit cars u guys mention are purpose built for hill climbs n things like that. I (and a few others I guess) are talking about a car that you can stomp from 0 to 160, or be going along at 100 and stomp to 300. That takes loads of horsepower.
Anything else is a purpose built race car or kit car designed for a track or a hill climb, and we aren't talking race cars, just stock factory road registered that's registered in big numbers, being 500 or more.
I am talking about something road registered, stock from factory you can take in say the cannon ball run. That's the HSV or Ford equivelant.
(but yes, those older English designed kit cars that go back to pre world war 2 are excellent for twisty hill climb stuff for sure and very quick for that stuff, but straight line, obviously not designed for that, so yes, horses for courses). ^^^
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Back in days when the Hardie Ferodo had various classes racing Mount Panorama at Bathurst, only the V8s and good sixes completed all laps. The smaller cars used to always get in the way. Bathurst is a good mix of bends, twists, hill climbs and the long Conrod straight. A brutal track for any car or driver, definitely conquered by the V8 beasts.
Recent technology is certainly helping the heavier vehicles. It will be interesting to see the new HSV offering on a good race track.
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whats this new HSV weigh, 1450 to 1550 in manual form , or heavier ?
I know Homologation for Bathurst racing weight used to be 1400 kg's. Maybe its a tad lighter today.
Get one of those new HSV Monsters, strip it out for a track like Bathurst, and maybe the reason they (GM) are building 500 is to get past homologation rules and get the new HSV 6.2 litre motors into the V8 Supercars etc, but I don't know what the Parity rules with making Fords n Holdens equal on the track will do to it/allow it or not ?... but I bet u see it racing in the Bathurst 24 hour for sure, and perhaps a few other places with manual box ofcourse.
Whats Ford cooking up I wonder ? It will be brutal as well I reckon. Happy heavy right foot days !
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The way they have changed the V8 Supercars has destroyed it IMO. They are all IDENTICAL cars just with different engines and fibreglass body panels - wank! What't the point of having identical chassis, brakes etc - pathetic.
whats this new HSV weigh, 1450 to 1550 in manual form , or heavier ?
I know Homologation for Bathurst racing weight used to be 1400 kg's. Maybe its a tad lighter today.
Get one of those new HSV Monsters, strip it out for a track like Bathurst, and maybe the reason they (GM) are building 500 is to get past homologation rules and get the new HSV 6.2 litre motors into the V8 Supercars etc, but I don't know what the Parity rules with making Fords n Holdens equal on the track will do to it/allow it or not ?... but I bet u see it racing in the Bathurst 24 hour for sure, and perhaps a few other places with manual box ofcourse.
Whats Ford cooking up I wonder ? It will be brutal as well I reckon. Happy heavy right foot days !
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I agree somewhat Mike for sure.
What I don't like about the V8 Supercar racing at the moment, is that its easier and more time beneficial to just let someone overtake you, than it is to drive defensively and try n keep your place. So effectively, now, the cars n drivers aren't really racing each other, but they are just racing their own clocks, racing for their own great lap times etc, and hope to pick up positions that u meaningly give away for the reason just mentioned, and win back that time in the pits.
So now, its become a little bit clinical. My wife prays for rain everytime they race, cause the only thing apparently that interest women with car racing, is watching all the big smashes and the looks on all the disappointed mens faces.lol Evil wife.lol %.%
I still watch the V8s everytime they go out, but its become very technical, and sometimes its still excellent seat of your pants, but I hope it gets better this year and next for sure.
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Car racing is a excellent cure fo my insomnia.
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Car racing is a excellent cure fo my insomnia.
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So you work the night shift and sleep during the day when the races are on.
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Car racing is a excellent cure fo my insomnia.
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So you work the night shift and sleep during the day when the races are on.
It is always invading the TV, it should me moved to pay tv only at worst and banned outright at best!
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There is some more info on the GTS here
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/56530/2014-hsv-gts-gen-f-holden-special-vehicles-revealed
See how a Nurburgring lap time of 7m 41s compares with other cars
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
This beast with the right driver is right up the Nissan GTR or Porche 911 alley.
One car to take seriously is also the Dodge Viper. Holy crap, for an overweight American V10 that thing makes others eat dust and rubber pieces.
Nurburgring is a great track to separate the men from the boys.
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Awesome! Now time to find a car forum to express my love of pinball, the search begins :D
ps. I just want one
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I can tow my new 8 x pinball sized trailer at 300 klms/hr with it.lol
Great write up. Thankyou. Love nice cars.
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There is some more info on the GTS here
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/56530/2014-hsv-gts-gen-f-holden-special-vehicles-revealed
See how a Nurburgring lap time of 7m 41s compares with other cars
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
This beast with the right driver is right up the Nissan GTR or Porche 911 alley.
One car to take seriously is also the Dodge Viper. Holy crap, for an overweight American V10 that thing makes others eat dust and rubber pieces.
Nurburgring is a great track to separate the men from the boys.
How do you come to that conclusion ?
I see the Nissan GTR with a time of 7-24, in semi-wet conditions. Quite a bit away from the 7-41.
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don't forget also the Holden HSV is fighting against cars 3 and 4 times its price, and the HSV is shaped
like a family sedan, unlike almost every thing else which is a 2 door sports car, small and low.
You would think this new HSV is the new GTHO Phase 3 of today in my mind.
Very fast for a mass produced family sized production floor plan.
that makes the HSV absolutely awesome and its punching very well.
only if we had the german auto-bahns here, you could take it for a proper flogging
and not lose the car or licence to the coppers/revenue raisers.lol
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There is some more info on the GTS here
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/56530/2014-hsv-gts-gen-f-holden-special-vehicles-revealed
See how a Nurburgring lap time of 7m 41s compares with other cars
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
This beast with the right driver is right up the Nissan GTR or Porche 911 alley.
One car to take seriously is also the Dodge Viper. Holy crap, for an overweight American V10 that thing makes others eat dust and rubber pieces.
Nurburgring is a great track to separate the men from the boys.
How do you come to that conclusion ?
I see the Nissan GTR with a time of 7-24, in semi-wet conditions. Quite a bit away from the 7-41.
I count about 22 corners where heavy braking and hard acceleration is required. The new torque vectoring should give a second or so gain per corner. Masses of torque are handy as shown by the Viper times. If that torque can be delivered effectively to the correct back wheel, we should see some interesting lap times.
In regards to the 95K price tag, they are now saying that the price will not exceed that amount. GMH said last week that they will slash prices by 10K on the new Commodore range. I wonder if that discount flows through to HSV?
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don't forget also the Holden HSV is fighting against cars 3 and 4 times its price, and the HSV is shaped
like a family sedan, unlike almost every thing else which is a 2 door sports car, small and low.
You would think this new HSV is the new GTHO Phase 3 of today in my mind.
Very fast for a mass produced family sized production floor plan.
that makes the HSV absolutely awesome and its punching very well.
only if we had the german auto-bahns here, you could take it for a proper flogging
and not lose the car or licence to the coppers/revenue raisers.lol
Actually I would like to see the GTS on the twists and bends rather than on the autobahns. The Chrysler press release link below shows a nice video of how to eat up 20 km in just over 7 minutes. That Viper sounds mean and that driver sure has guts, the thing is about to take off on the long straight.
Just hope that HSV use this track to see what the GTS can do.
http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?&id=11535&mid=2
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is there a youtube link for the same video I wonder !@#
that dodge has been fully mucked around with by racing teams, like a V8 supercar its hardly the same anymore,
I would like to see real production cars times only, would be fairer against the stock but mighty 95 grand HSV
thanks for listing the video etc
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Awesome! Now time to find a car forum to express my love of pinball, the search begins :D
ps. I just want one
Pinballs and cars (or bikes) have a connection there. Ironman should add some pinballs to his collection.
You have both in man caves, they are collectables, they can be restored, played, traded, swapped, hated, loved and admired. So long as your wife/husband/partner agree to your lust for machines, you have no problems.
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Awesome! Now time to find a car forum to express my love of pinball, the search begins :D
ps. I just want one
Pinballs and cars (or bikes) have a connection there. Ironman should add some pinballs to his collection.
You have both in man caves, they are collectables, they can be restored, played, traded, swapped, hated, loved and admired. So long as your wife/husband/partner agree to your lust for machines, you have no problems.
There is a thread on here I started a few years back with members cars
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=1077.0 (http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=1077.0)
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good idea, thankyou ^^^
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HSV dealers across Australia are holding about 200 paid deposits. The last 300 will probably have a paid deposit over the next few weeks.
The new HSV GTS has become the fastest-selling model in the company’s 25-year history. This one is a classic for sure.
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Awesome! Now time to find a car forum to express my love of pinball, the search begins :D
ps. I just want one
Pinballs and cars (or bikes) have a connection there. Ironman should add some pinballs to his collection.
You have both in man caves, they are collectables, they can be restored, played, traded, swapped, hated, loved and admired. So long as your wife/husband/partner agree to your lust for machines, you have no problems.
Boats, caravans, rifles, BBQs, work , health, money , income , space, desire , interest, lunch, dinner, tea, dessert, green light, red light, amber light, dust on shelves, .... Definite connection ,,
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HSV dealers across Australia are holding about 200 paid deposits. The last 300 will probably have a paid deposit over the next few weeks.
The new HSV GTS has become the fastest-selling model in the company’s 25-year history. This one is a classic for sure.
I am glad people in our great country will get to enjoy these nice cars.
Rob(Replay) drives a worked 5.7 litre commodore which goes hard....u shld love this thread Rob....definite connection.lol
.......unless u recently bought a Ford.lol
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I bought a new GTS a couple of years ago but the wife wants it so if I like the new HSV Mazda when I see then in the flesh then I may order one.
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I bought a new GTS a couple of years ago but the wife wants it so if I like the new HSV Mazda when I see then in the flesh then I may order one.
Didn't know they were bringing out a HSV Mazda <.> :lol
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I bought a new GTS a couple of years ago but the wife wants it so if I like the new HSV Mazda when I see then in the flesh then I may order one.
Didn't know they were bringing out a HSV Mazda <.> :lol
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What GTS has your wife got?
Must be a Gone To Shops 120Y %.%
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SS ute (red of course) holds world record time for a commercial vehicle at Nurburgring.
This is the standard 260 kW engine and not the 430kW GTS monster. It will be interesting what times the GTS does later this year.
http://www.holden.com.au/worldrecordute