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Title: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: infinite1977 on November 12, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
Hey guys after sourcing a topper for this project, the topper now does not work. I know it was working as at one stage one side was flashing. I have all my boards repaired.  I am now at a complete loss. Help!!!!
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 12, 2015, 11:57:23 PM
Do you have the correct (906 flashlamp) globes installed?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 12, 2015, 11:59:05 PM
Haha good question. I will check what I put in. Probably something stupid like that
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: infinite1977 on November 13, 2015, 08:14:44 PM
Ok i have one side working
 It seems the wiring on the two power connectors is slightly different hence why only one side works.
Also the #555 globes in it work. I have to change the lamp sockets. The two #906's don't work but it's like they don't fit in properly.

1st pic is of the working connector the second one is the one that doesn't work.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/13/64c2651f205dfca74b28bdd37637faef.jpg)

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/13/36eef74892b9c46076444b1c6cd83714.jpg)
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 13, 2015, 08:15:18 PM
The second one is doubled up with wires
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 09:49:02 AM
What did you do to get the one side working?

The manual states 906 globes to be used, which are rated at twice the volts of a 555, so not sure about their longevity.

Does your knocker work in coil test?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 10:11:42 AM
The right side I. E force side. Just changed sockets.  If i plug the power in the left side the board works so it has to be something wrong with the wiring on the plug as it looks different I. E doubled up.
Also as we speak three wires are loose on interconnect board plug J11 which I am trying to sort out
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 10:21:27 AM
Fairly sure it does work , it is missing the middle.
Ok. I can easily change the smaller globes to "906"
Title: Re: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 10:22:24 AM
What did you do to get the one side working?

The manual states 906 globes to be used, which are rated at twice the volts of a 555, so not sure about their longevity.

Does your knocker work in coil test?
What page. I have looked and looked.
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
Page 30.

It would be good to be able to test the knocker to eliminate/identify problems with the driver transistor.

The knocker shares a transistor with the left side topper lights.

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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Aha ok
 I will fix the knocker and report back
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 10:42:15 AM
P.s only two of the three strobes on playfield don't work. Only one that works is top one
Title: Re:Topper not working...
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 11:19:38 AM
P.s only two of the three strobes on playfield don't work. Only one that works is top one
Can you identify exactly which ones are not working.  See page 69 of the manual.
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
2c is the only done flasher working. The other 2 are not
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
Not sure which flashers are the domes. !@#

2C is identified as "croc flashers".  Are the two not working rat and weasle?
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
That map is confusing to me.
Picture attached. Only red dome flasher working is the one in the top left corner
Title: Re: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
That map is confusing to me.
Picture attached. Only red dome flasher working is the one in the top left corner
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/13/6e35e75afe37fcbc350ad99cfe8f620e.jpg)
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 01:15:21 PM
Thanks for pic.

You're right map is confusing.  Doesn't show the dome at lower left at all.

So 1C and 3C are not working.

I assume you've checked the globes themselves?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
Yep
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 01:20:58 PM
Glad it wasn't just me
 This would have to be the worst manual ever
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 02:17:51 PM
Pm sent.
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 03:02:19 PM
Can't fix knocker. Missing sleeve for it but I do hear it clicking on the test.
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
The black/violet wire in the picture yo pm'd me controls the left side of the topper.

You could try test continuity from top plug to J11(blk/vio wire).

Also you could try swapping connectors J11 and J12 to see if any change to topper
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 09:07:52 PM
Perfect. That wire is one of the loose ones. That makes me feel better.
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 14, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
J12 won't plug into J11 different pin configuration. I will sort out wiring on this plug and report back . Thanks for everything.  Might be a couple of days
Title: Re:Topper not working on police force
Post by: Steevsee on November 14, 2015, 10:51:53 PM
J12 won't plug into J11 different pin configuration. I will sort out wiring on this plug and report back . Thanks for everything.  Might be a couple of days
Sorry bout that, I see now they are keyed differently.
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 12:57:01 PM
As i was tinkering with the plugs a burning smell came about and GI has gone.
Only just had it fixed!!!!
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 15, 2015, 06:30:56 PM
Were you able to locate the source of the smell.

GI fuses OK?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
All fuses tested ok
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 15, 2015, 08:08:19 PM
GI connectors (J6 and J7) on the interconnect board dark/charred?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
Will check
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 09:35:45 PM
Connectors fine. Definitely transistor on cpu
 Ahh well
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 15, 2015, 09:48:36 PM
GI should work independent of CPU problems.

Are all Gi strings out?
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 09:49:23 PM
No not all lower playfield
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: beaky on November 15, 2015, 10:05:23 PM
GI should work independent of CPU problems.

Are all Gi strings out?
Transistor for lower PF G.I relay had locked on last time, energizing GI relay permanently when the machine was on and turning G.I off.
to prove this is the case with machine off unplug J12 on driver board, turn machine on, if G.I illuminates then the transistor on the cpu driver board has failed (Q9)

 
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
J12 on cpu board or interconnect board
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
Yep unplug J12 on ICB GI comes on
Title: Re: Topper not working on Police Force
Post by: Steevsee on November 15, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
Beaky to the rescue! ^^^
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 15, 2015, 10:34:24 PM
Always. Damm you both for being so far lol
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Post by: beaky on November 16, 2015, 12:00:25 AM

No not all lower playfield
Is it the same amount of G.I out before you sent be the board or less?
If it's only 1 string out then it won't be the transistor for the G.I relay.
Try un pluging the connector I mentioned before
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 16, 2015, 11:46:50 AM

No not all lower playfield
Is it the same amount of G.I out before you sent be the board or less?
If it's only 1 string out then it won't be the transistor for the G.I relay.
Try un pluging the connector I mentioned before
Same as before. As mentioned above. When I unplug J12 from ICB all lights come on
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Post by: beaky on November 17, 2015, 12:42:03 PM

No not all lower playfield
Is it the same amount of G.I out before you sent be the board or less?
If it's only 1 string out then it won't be the transistor for the G.I relay.
Try un pluging the connector I mentioned before
Same as before. As mentioned above. When I unplug J12 from ICB all lights come on
it was J12 on cpu / driver board but solenoid 10 (G.I. lower PF relay) goes through J12 on ICB so unfortunately you have blown the transistor
 
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Post by: infinite1977 on November 17, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
Ok thanks. You know the drill lol