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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => Suggestions? => Topic started by: Pop Bumper Pete on November 29, 2009, 08:28:30 AM
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I know that a lot of Aussie Pinball members have issues with a certain ‘Bally/ Williams license holder’, fine, I am not here to change your mind.
But in my short time here I have seen two threads where people have been trying to ‘highlight’ the issues they have with him.
I thought Aussie Pinball was supposed to be above that sort of stuff
Personally I would much prefer to have a positive vibe running through this forum rather than the undercurrent of ‘F*** W****’ that seems to be lurking around.
There is a lot of great stuff on this forum, please try to keep Aussie pinball a positive place to visit
Pete
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Couldn't agree more Pete. Unfortunately pinball is one of those hobbies that evokes strong emotions in people, for various reasons. What are we to do? Censor every post that comes in that has anything to do with the issue you are talking about. Then we would be seen as "just another forum that has its own agenda to maintain". Freedom of speech is a good thing!
I assure you, that sort of talk will not drag this place down or destroy it. That's why we started up in the first place. To escape that kind of rubbish. If it gets out of hand, threads will be closed. Enjoy the place for being 99.9% helpful towards the hobbyist. Unfortunately you will get 0.01% of posts that are political or controversial. It's not all peaches and cream out there I'm afraid.
All I can say to you is that we will always be monitoring AP for that kind of content and will act appropriately if/when it happens.
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Thank you for your reply
I have always respected the reasons why you started up this site (even though I do not mind the 'argy-bargy' that gets posted elsewhere ;) )
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I dont see the undercurrent you describe. I see a thread where Brett is making his bold stand, and thats it really. I did see a totally different set rapids, had my winge, and moved-on. This forum runs along quite well, I dont think the mods/admins have much to worry about.
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YEH, MY BAD. YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH,MY BAD
YEH, MY BAD. YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH,MY BAD
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Sorry Pinky, the passion that nice man evokes, just escapes me sometimes. I did say along the way, that if i upset anyone, i apologise in advance.
I will behave more in the future. Also, like our buddy from down south, I have a licence for WMS as well, got mine out of the corn flakes box this morning, theres a few going around. *)* *)* *)*
p.s- are u looking for any cheaper decals %$% %$% %$%
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The signal to noise ratio (good stuff compared to the negative stuff) on this site is very high. Very occasionally someone will raise a more negative thread but on the whole it just doesn't happen that much. With such a broad membership this is bound to happen every now and then. I think you have been 'unlucky' in terms of timing to see two such threads (negative in your opinion) in a short time.
Personally I usually just ignore it if I think it is negative. I have had no dealings with said person so I have no opinion either way.
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YEH, MY BAD. YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH,MY BAD
YEH, MY BAD. YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH,MY BAD
YEH, MY BAD. YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH, MY BAD YEH,MY BAD
Sorry Pinky, the passion that nice man evokes, just escapes me sometimes. I did say along the way, that if i upset anyone, i apologise in advance.
I will behave more in the future. Also, like our buddy from down south, I have a licence for WMS as well, got mine out of the corn flakes box this morning, theres a few going around. *)* *)* *)*
p.s- are u looking for any cheaper decals %$% %$% %$%
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My point is why not just post that you are making cabinet side art with top quality ink?
Tell us that they will not fade or rub off and they use non-smelly glue
I want to hear how great YOUR product is.
I have bought from other retailers, I know their quality (or lack thereof)
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My point is why not just post that you are making cabinet side art with top quality ink?
Tell us that they will not fade or rub off and they use non-smelly glue
I want to hear how great YOUR product is.
I have bought from other retailers, I know their quality (or lack thereof)
Very simple - the second you mention anything like this you WILL receive a stream of threatening and abusive emails that suggest you will be strung up if you dare proceed. I have been on the receving end from this "chap" both privatly and publically and he does not seem to be a rational, logical businessman IMO. He can, naturally, choose to conduct his business in any manner that he likes within the law and I think that he probably does do that.
Again - IMO - he is the one major 'thing' that is holding back the development of pinball in Australia and probably worldwide! Why people still do any business with him is truly beyond my understanding.........
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And the sad thing is that MANY of us have been on the receiving end of the threats - myself included. The reason for mine was so petty it was astounding!
If there is an under current of bad feeling then it was through no fault of any other person than the one in question... its ALMOST a case of you reap what you sow... unfortunately what is being reaped is nowhere near as vicious as what is sown.
Person in question is a sad man and an outright liar who is ripping you off with the lies... there is no defence for his actions.
In all honesty... the negative thread you mention is actually quite positive.... my desire is to see pinball flourish as is anyone elses on this forum.
This will NEVER happen with this man in the industry.. I will NEVER do business with this vile person
( and trust me - this post is positive!)
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Unfortunately Pete the views expressed in that thread seem to have wide support, so it is not really possible to stop it surfacing from time to time. RGP for example (the ultimate in non-moderation) is cluttered with hundreds of threads on that sort of topic. It is a credit to AP that while that issue surfaced there was lots of good humour about some of the comments rather than over the top rudeness that can be found elsewhere.
On the other hand I have seen the results of constant thread tampering and it's not ideal either. Creech has covered the issue well.
I respect your opinion Pete, and hope members think about the positives with our great hobby, and whether what they have to say (if it is negative) needs to be said before posting. That seems to work here almost all of the time. Like any relationship though (as we as members are) there will be disagreement and controversy from time to time.
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Sorry, but I always felt that Creech set up his alternative pinball forums because he wanted to talk pinball, not the politics of pinball
I find it odd that people claim to want a constructive site, (and it is ) until W’s name comes up, then all bets are off, the gloves come out, and the negative BS starts to fly
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Pinky, that's exactly the reason this site was setup. What would you like me to do, make a rule that nobody can mention certain people? If someone starts a thread mentioning certain people, would you like me to delete the thread immediately? I don't believe in that. I believe in letting people have their say, provided there are no slanderous overtones and the truth is spoken. I have seen first hand what censorship, favouritism and protectionism does to a forum. This site promotes positive discussion, not negative. I can assure you as soon as things get out of hand we will act. I see no reason to act at this stage. People are just describing their real life situations with the person in question. Why shouldn't we all know about that if it helps us make a better decision in the future?
Your initial post by it's very nature was political. I could have deleted it if I so wished. Your post in fact contributed to the sad undercurrent you spoke about. As you can see, I had no control over that. You decided to post it, not me. I can't control that. I have as much right to censor your post as I do others but I'm not about to do that. Why not? Because you are only speaking from your heart, not out of your arse. You have a right to ask the question and it has been answered very well by a few members here.
Tell me Pinky, are you in any way affiliated with the said person? It sounds like you are a lone voice in an avalanche of nay sayers...
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Sorry, but I always felt that Creech set up his alternative pinball forums because he wanted to talk pinball, not the politics of pinball
I find it odd that people claim to want a constructive site, (and it is ) until W’s name comes up, then all bets are off, the gloves come out, and the negative BS starts to fly
It is sad but the statement "and the negative BS starts to fly" is incorrect - anything negative said about this 'gent' is rarely going to be "BS"!
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Pinky if you find a thread distasteful then dont read it. Mods/admins censoring members' experiences and opinions will actually work against the common good of the community. Both australian forums serve people in similar, and different ways. Dispite the "troubles" of "the before time" both forums have come out stronger and better at what they do.
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Tony (Creech) is 100% right, and we have tried VERY hard to keep this place positive. I think in our first year, we closed ONE thread because it was getting out of hand. IMO that's an average I can live with, and it meets the objective we had in mind when starting the forum. We (mods) don't edit posts according to an agenda - it is best to "let it flow" and as Nick mentioned - with a little bit of humor.
Two threads highlighting issues with the said company is also a bit of a miracle, bit unavoidable. I guess members affected by negative experiences wish to share this with the members, as we do with the positive experiences. Having said that - there are not too many to complain about, but the company we are talking about does not do itself any favors.
As Pete says - lets keep the place positive.
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Sorry, but I always felt that Creech set up his alternative pinball forums because he wanted to talk pinball, not the politics of pinball
I find it odd that people claim to want a constructive site, (and it is ) until W’s name comes up, then all bets are off, the gloves come out, and the negative BS starts to fly
Pinky - U R 100% correct - this forum evolved in great spirit and continues to do so.
It is WITHOUT DOUBT and REMAINS to be the BEST Pinball Forum I have been involved in.
Credit to ALL members for NOT allowing AP to get dragged into the politics of the hobby that ALWAYS .....ALWAYS start with ONE IDIOT.
I myself am normally VERY reactive to anything said about the blunder from down under but have (apart from one hiccup ) decided never to 'wind up the heat' in any thread here at AP that involves this man, and believe me , if anyone could ....I bloody could and until you have walked in my shoes you would NEVER understand it.
I WILL continue to call him out and expose any lie he tells at RGP though as I believe way too MANY people have gone too soft on him , especially considering the absolute grief he has caused to MANY hobbyists over the years......but I will never do that here at AP.
AP has been from DAY ONE , the most positive and constructive forum for all its members - we can ALL pat ourselves on the back for that.
Congrats to the moderators for sensible moderating of the forum as well, especially around subjects like this one that could get out of hand
And Brett - trust me, as others have said - dont shout too loud - just get on with it mate - congrats for your efforts , I hope they succeed and I am looking forward to some pics ^^^
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Creech, I am not advocating censorship
If I wanted to you to delete a thread, I would have reported it or simply sent you a PM
My issue is not with either you or Strangways
It was to point out to people that they all control the vibe of a forum, if you post negative opinions, those negative opinions tend to seep (over time) into other threads
I have no business affiliation with W
I have bought machines from him, I have bought parts from him
I have also bought machines and parts from Aussie pinball sponsors
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Pinky, before your thread there were 2 threads out of 3300 that had some sort of negative overtones. Your thread just increased that number by 50%. Nuff said!
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Pinky, before your thread there were 2 threads out of 3300 that had some sort of negative overtones. Your thread just increased that number by 50%. Nuff said!
<.> Yeah, my bad that they both happened after I joined up !@)
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May I just add that whilst I can't say that I have personally been on the receiving end from anyone, I don't consider the threads discussed here as being negative. I found them enlightening and informative to say the least.
It is a shame that things tend to go down the same track with more than enough people to say it is an isolated incident and when one of my mates, an enthusiastic pinball collector and previous good customer of said person is "banned" from buying products, I would like to hear about it and then just to reinforce it all, to carry on, in writing, and describe your bread and butter customers as "anal c___s", well...............I wanna know about it.
It isn't a sad undercurrent, it is merely an accurate account of something that I feel all of us would like to be aware of.
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May I just add that whilst I can't say that I have personally been on the receiving end from anyone, I don't consider the threads discussed here as being negative. I found them enlightening and informative to say the least.
It is a shame that things tend to go down the same track with more than enough people to say it is an isolated incident and when one of my mates, an enthusiastic pinball collector and previous good customer of said person is "banned" from buying products, I would like to hear about it and then just to reinforce it all, to carry on, in writing, and describe your bread and butter customers as "anal c___s", well...............I wanna know about it.
It isn't a sad undercurrent, it is merely an accurate account of something that I feel all of us would like to be aware of.
"anal c___s",
.... Aaah, a more diplomatic day then... must have been on a birthday or similar..... maybe a shag?? Nah thats too preposterous! %.% %.% <.>
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It's nearly impossible to keep a content source 100% positive without heavy moderation. This forum is filled with people who love pinball and tend to be very positive. If <1% of the posts contain something mildly negative (I didn't see he post) I would say we're doing very well. I've been on forums where the content was about 80% negative and fueled by admins. Love AP and relax.
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Thanks for the positive words chuck. Where you been big fella?
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ditto ^^^......and ummmmm.......ditto !@#
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Happy that there is discussion as to the positives and negatives of the hobby.
I have not had a problem to date with suppliers and was not aware of these side issues though it is better to be prepared / forewarned. Hate it when you get sideswiped when you are the last to know.
My experience has been on this forum (have never been involved in one before) that it is a wholly positive experience and would prefer if that continues. Self moderation is better than a type of censorship I believe.
Just consider it lucky to have struck a great forum first time. Man after the issues that I get in my day to day job (maybe not the only one) this is just a hobby that Im passionate about and can get lost in, stuffing about. No pressure, love it.
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Thanks for the positive words chuck. Where you been big fella?
Right here =)
My real life has kept me busy doing some not so fun crap. Took a break to write an iPhone game. Updating Nucore (but nothing terribly exciting right now.) The good news is I'm knee-deep in my first EM and loving every minute of it.
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Thanks for the positive words chuck. Where you been big fella?
Right here =)
My real life has kept me busy doing some not so fun crap. Took a break to write an iPhone game. Updating Nucore (but nothing terribly exciting right now.) The good news is I'm knee-deep in my first EM and loving every minute of it.
Glad to hear your interest in EMs is turning into a love affair, Chuck !
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I have not had a problem to date with suppliers and was not aware of these side issues though it is better to be prepared / forewarned. Hate it when you get sideswiped when you are the last to know.
Unfortunately it seems that the industry does tend to attract shady types from time to time - perhaps its a hold over from the days of cash based machines and people guarding routes etc, or maybe its the same in every industry, and we're just more aware as its out hobby. Fortunately forums like outs help to some extent to enable people to see both sides.
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OK PINKY YOU WANT TO SEE NEGATIVE.....DO YA......well watch Greg (RTBB) play pinball and you'll see negative. The man will send tears to your eyes. As I have seen this quoted somewhere before, "you know when you're a bad player, when the machine goes into ball search mode while your playing". Don't take things too seriously, lots worse things out there mate.
I officially preclaim today a "W" free day. there done now.
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OK PINKY YOU WANT TO SEE NEGATIVE.....DO YA......well watch Greg (RTBB) play pinball and you'll see negative. The man will send tears to your eyes.
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Just fell off my chair Rob !
That is hilarious !!
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.... "you know when you're a bad player, when the machine goes into ball search mode while your playing". Don't take things too seriously, lots worse things out there mate.
I officially preclaim today a "W" free day. there done now.
I wonder who ball search mode boy might be Wotto #@#