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Aussie Pinball Forums => Technical Matters => Pinball Repairs / Problems & Assistance => Topic started by: andtan on February 24, 2014, 06:37:19 PM
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I've started to get some quotes on getting my WH20 cabinet sprayed and I was interested in what prices others have gotten. Due to colour matching issues I'm restricted to 2-pack automotive for the blue - so I've had to look at panel shops to get it done.
I'm wanting the head box sprayed inside and out, plus the left & right, and front of the main cabinet - which works out to be about 4 sq. metres. With the main cabinet I was just going to get the two front corners done, but I thought it probably wouldn't save me much. The cabinet is already primed and ready to go, and I've said that I will drop it off already masked up. All they have to do is supply and colour match the paint, and spray it on.
Seeing I have no idea what spray painting is worth (set-up, clean up, booth time, hourly rate etc) is $500 a fair price? !@#
So far two places - on the opposite side of town have quoted the same amount. If that's pretty much the going rate I'd rather get it done now and stop wasting time with more quotes.
Cheers,
Andy
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just be aware that auto-shop painters are great at painting METAL panels....when it comes to a wooden box it can potentially look crap unless you put a lot of time bogging/sanding the outer cabinet to perfection.....THEN their spraying techniques will show nicely.
Otherwise consider some form of furniture sprayer which knows how to treat/paint wood products better than auto-shop guys would...there might be a bunch of preps & pre-coats by the furniture guy that the auto-guy might not consider...
my 2c.
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Hi Andy
If you have got it to primmer and are happy with the finish I think you could probally finish it.
You could get the blue mixed in spray cans aprox 25.00 ea I know labour rates are high, but you masking it 500.00 may be a bit much. What do you think?? imo you should do it your self
Practice on card board first and save some $. The Satisfaction will be all yours :lol Howzat
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Hi Andy
If you have got it to primmer and are happy with the finish I think you could probally finish it.
You could get the blue mixed in spray cans aprox 25.00 ea I know labour rates are high, but you masking it 500.00 may be a bit much. What do you think?? imo you should do it your self
Practice on card board first and save some $. The Satisfaction will be all yours :lol Howzat
Can I get a 2-pack paint in spray cans?
I am happy with my spraying so far, and had WH20 been a black cab / head box I would be doing it myself - the WH20 blue is a nightmare to match and I can't get it in anything other than 2-pack. I was under the impression that I couldn't spray 2-pack due to it being toxic when sprayed, and having to have a booth / ventilated mask etc.
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Well ideally you should have a booth for any spraying.. but at $500 you could buy a gun, compressor and paint .. do it yourself and have change at the end of the day.
2 Pac isn't hard to use, you just need to mix what you need. Buy yourself a good mask, seal off the garage with plastic sheet and away you go. With 2 Pac.. you mix a small amount and do a light spray.. allow to go off ( about 30 mins) then do your heavier top coat.
IMO 2 Pac is overkill though.. why don't you just use acrylic lacquer? its cheaper, easier to use and your 2 pac supplier SHOULD be pointing you down this path first.. they both come as the same colour ranges ( any bloody colour!)
Original cab isn't 2 pac.. why is the respray?
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sounds expensive to me.beware ^&^
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Considering the external cabinet will have decals over most of it, except the headbox, I'd be inclined to finish the job myself. If you have already prepped the cabinet and laid down the primer, and masked it, then you are 90% done. It should not take longer than 20 minutes to repaint the cabinet in the base coat. You have done the hard work already. You don't need a booth for this kind of work. Do it outside and in the shade.
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Well ideally you should have a booth for any spraying.. but at $500 you could buy a gun, compressor and paint .. do it yourself and have change at the end of the day.
.. why don't you just use acrylic lacquer? its cheaper, easier to use and your 2 pac supplier SHOULD be pointing you down this path first.. they both come as the same colour ranges ( any bloody colour!)
Original cab isn't 2 pac.. why is the respray?
I'll have a look at the acrylic lacquer option - the supplier I went to didn't mention it, but I'll specifically ask this time. The $500 quotes were a bit hard to swallow as I have primed everything myself, plus painted the inside, and rear of the cabinet. It was the paint type that was now stopping me.
Thanks to everyone for the advice.
Cheers,
Andy
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My brother runs an automotive paint shop. While I haven't done it yet, he told me he can make up spray cans using automotive acrylic for the blue I'll need for black hole. No idea why you'd be put onto two pack, really unnecessary for this type of work.
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paint manufacturers / distributors can make cans to any colour at around $25 a can and for about $15-20 per can if you get about 20 cans.
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Spoke to a paint supplier this afternoon and asked about acrylic lacquer and the first thing he said was "Why would you want to use that, you'd be better using two pack"
When I asked about the requirements for a booth, PPE etc, for two-pack he said, "Nah mate, you just need a carbon-activated respirator, you can spray it outside"
Maybe I'll try another supplier........ *!@
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Spoke to a paint supplier this afternoon and asked about acrylic lacquer and the first thing he said was "Why would you want to use that, you'd be better using two pack"
When I asked about the requirements for a booth, PPE etc, for two-pack he said, "Nah mate, you just need a carbon-activated respirator, you can spray it outside"
Maybe I'll try another supplier........ *!@
Definitely find another supplier if they can't/won't sell you what you want *%* *%*
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Spoke to a paint supplier this afternoon and asked about acrylic lacquer and the first thing he said was "Why would you want to use that, you'd be better using two pack"
When I asked about the requirements for a booth, PPE etc, for two-pack he said, "Nah mate, you just need a carbon-activated respirator, you can spray it outside"
Maybe I'll try another supplier........ *!@
No pinball cabinets were painted using two pack. As mentioned earlier, it is overkill. If you have primed the cabinet with acrylic primer, then it might react with the two pack. Automotive Acrylics is the way to go.
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Like everyone else has said. do it yourself with acrylic. if you need to buy a spray gun a star s-770 is a good one for around $120 ive had mine for just over 20 years. and it still sprays well . just clean it properly after you finish spraying and itll last forever. they cant be too bad a gun as they still sell them and the new ones are the same as mine.
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Thanks for the advice guys.
As I actually have all the spray equipment - I only need to source the paint. I am a little miffed that I got bum steered to 2-pack in the first instance as I would have sprayed the cabinet in December / January while I was on holidays if I'd been told Acrylic lacquer was a better option. ^.^
S'pose I should have asked here first @.@
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OK - Go to a paint supplier and simply buy acrylic lacquer with a compatible thinner - General Purpose thinner should do. I'd say no more than 1ltr of base color will easily do the headbox and the cabinet. Mix 60 thinner and 40 paint (you can do 50/50 for primer). Set the gun to around 35 PSI and practice on an old piece of timber. Let the paint almost dry and play around with the gun (airflow and paint mix) until you are happy. Before you know it, you will get the hang of it. EXPECT to make mistakes. This is how you learn the gun, compressor and paint. You are effectively bypassing Trade School by learning on the job. soon you will love it !
Do all coats of topcoat in the same session - don't paint one coat, then sand, then another coat and sand.. wait 10 minutes inbetween coats. That's my preference, but it might not be right in theory.
Paint in a well ventilated area. Wear a breathing mask AND goggles. Why eye protection ? Because last year my touch up gun blew black paint and thinner straight into my eye and it stung like hell ! I lost half a day at the Eye and Ear Hospital - so cover all the safety issues BEFORE doing anything.
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
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OK - Go to a paint supplier and simply buy acrylic lacquer with a compatible thinner - General Purpose thinner should do. I'd say no more than 1ltr of base color will easily do the headbox and the cabinet. Mix 60 thinner and 40 paint (you can do 50/50 for primer). Set the gun to around 35 PSI and practice on an old piece of timber. Let the paint almost dry and play around with the gun (airflow and paint mix) until you are happy. Before you know it, you will get the hang of it. EXPECT to make mistakes. This is how you learn the gun, compressor and paint. You are effectively bypassing Trade School by learning on the job. soon you will love it !
Do all coats of topcoat in the same session - don't paint one coat, then sand, then another coat and sand.. wait 10 minutes inbetween coats. That's my preference, but it might not be right in theory.
Paint in a well ventilated area. Wear a breathing mask AND goggles. Why eye protection ? Because last year my touch up gun blew black paint and thinner straight into my eye and it stung like hell ! I lost half a day at the Eye and Ear Hospital - so cover all the safety issues BEFORE doing anything.
Great advice.SAFETY FIRST ^^^
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
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I read this thread with interest having seen many pinball cabinets on the Gold Coast and Brisbane sprayed fully in 2 pac before people apply full cabinet decals.
One person got it done, then it sort of caught on, then quite a few people up here got it done to their high end restorations. The cost was $500 total, but the cabinets and headbox were delivered to the painter, fully sanded inside and out back to barewood, with the sanding finish being as smooth as a babys bum. Then the cabinets were 2 pac painted in gloss black 100 percent coverage (meaning every inch of wood, inside n out n underneath and behind was finished to a mirror gloss black finish.)
Then decals were applied ofcourse to all areas, leaving the front edges of the headbox, gloss black, inside of machine gloss black, rear of headbox gloss black etc etc. The cabinets are all done at a automative booth etc. These cabinets were 2 paced because the machines were going to be longterm keepers.
The end result is lush, but every spot of dust shows up on the inside of the cabinet very easily.
Personally, it is a bit of overkill but the price was excellent. The only thing, is that a wood colour paint on the inside of the cabinet does look better.
I say wood type colour, cause a lot of the time, when people applied wood clear to the inside of the cabinet, it went about 3 to 6 shades darker which looked awful. One guy did find a wood colour that was so close to pine wood, u thought it was actually bare wood, untouched/unsealed.
I would be interested to hear if anyone else has painted the insides of their restored cabinets a different colour to wood or black.....maybe a gloss white or the same colour as the majority of the outside cabinet.
example - pink inside the cabinet all over like the outsides on a 1978 Williams phoenix instead of wood colour ? or white on that machine....?? Anyone else had any similar prices or different colours painted on the insides ?? !@# !@#
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
are you serious man.i have to cart the box to protec etc to match the colour.surely someone has sprayed one before.
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
are you serious man.i have to cart the box to protec etc to match the colour.surely someone has sprayed one before.
Is the pink the same pink as on the playfield?? If so I can provide the Pantone colour match code
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
Out of interest Nino, do you find that the same colours are used from game to game or are they always different? I don't mean different brands but say Bally's of the same era. For example is the same blue or red used often on different games?
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
looks the same to me.makes sense.please do,gav
are you serious man.i have to cart the box to protec etc to match the colour.surely someone has sprayed one before.
Is the pink the same pink as on the playfield?? If so I can provide the Pantone colour match code
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OK.. need to go to the shed of no power so will sort it out tomorrow. I did have it written down but cant find a damn thing since ive moved.
... just to add.. stencils coming soon for this title ^^^
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
are you serious man.i have to cart the box to protec etc to match the colour.surely someone has sprayed one before.
That's exactly what I do. That's the only way to learn color matching and also general info about painting methods. For example - GTB Genie has a deeper Red colour on the head and body that the more Orange colour found on the backglass frame. BUT - it is EXACTLY the same colour ! The cabinet orange is painted OVER the base yellow, which makes it look RED. The orange on the backglass frame is simple painted directly on the frame, so it looks different.
guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
Out of interest Nino, do you find that the same colours are used from game to game or are they always different? I don't mean different brands but say Bally's of the same era. For example is the same blue or red used often on different games?
Base whites are the same - Eight Ball, KISS etc. Eight Ball has two different Greens for the apron and playfield wooden siderail runners. The KISS orange is unique to KISS, which is different to the orange on Eight Ball. I've seen two Fathoms with different light Greens. The fact is that Bally often changed paint suppliers during production, so there might be differences in factory paint colours. Only slight changes. I keep a small sample of each color for each machine. They are very close.
Regarding the 2 pac approach for cabinets - That's not how it was done in the factory. It looks GREAT, but is is more of an enhancement or "mod" rather than a faithful restoration. When I see the "blinged" full gloss black cabinet internals I don't view them as restorations.
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That makes sense, different supplier = differences in the colours. Interesting about the Genie and I guess other games as well with the effect the different layers of paint have on the end cabinet colour. I hadn't really thought about that before.
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guys,someone posted a cab respray of a 78 playboy.can any one enlighted me on who it was.i would like some aussie paint match for the colours.
Remove the front door brackets. You should see the original factory "pink". Take the lower cabinet to a paint supplier and have them match that color. That's the only way I match colors. don't rely on the pantone system as it is not perfect.
are you serious man.i have to cart the box to protec etc to match the colour.surely someone has sprayed one before.
Is the pink the same pink as on the playfield?? If so I can provide the Pantone colour match code
What title are u doing stencils for Gav ?
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Bloody hell.. what title aren't I doing stencils for??
PARAGON is the next big one.. ive just finished SWINGER for Damien.. KISS is now on Ebay. But whats coming up is..
PARAGON... PLAYBOY... SPIRIT..GORGAR.. STAR TREK....MEDUSA....$6MIL MAN.
They are whats top of the list with PARAGON in #1 place... then Playboy. Ive also got EMBRYON, XENON and EVEL KNEVEL to do.
If ive missed any out anyone, then speak up. I did have a list written down but its gone by the by and is lost in the " everything is lost" shed, so I need to restart and list them on my comp
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?? any Phoenix (1978 - Williams) stencils made anywhere. it looks like a easy stencil to make with base colour pink, white and orange ontop only of the base pink etc.
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I can do PHOENIX no problem.. PM me and ill tell you whats required
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Bloody hell.. what title aren't I doing stencils for??
PARAGON is the next big one.. ive just finished SWINGER for Damien.. KISS is now on Ebay. But whats coming up is..
PARAGON... PLAYBOY... SPIRIT..GORGAR.. STAR TREK....MEDUSA....$6MIL MAN.
They are whats top of the list with PARAGON in #1 place... then Playboy. Ive also got EMBRYON, XENON and EVEL KNEVEL to do.
If ive missed any out anyone, then speak up. I did have a list written down but its gone by the by and is lost in the " everything is lost" shed, so I need to restart and list them on my comp
Paragon is at the top of my list, then Playboy, Evel Knievel and Embryon. High Hand is on its way, so I'll be busy for a couple of weeks on Genie and High Hand.
Xenon - Best of luck, that's a tough one and the overseas providers' is completely wrong and very bad quality.
Medusa, Star Trek, $6MDM = Good choices.
I'd like to add WMS Flash, GTB Fast Draw, GTB Royal Flush and GTB Sheriff !
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here is some interesting info on pinball paint colours - might be a good starting point
http://pinballpal.com/colors/