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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: SPURR on February 08, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
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It seams a real sore point with most members from both forums about having to turn up on Sunday for a auction that the majority of members dont want! I think more people would stay there for the two day's if there was no auction. There's gunna be a pile of Newcastle & hunter boy's go'in down for Saturday only, and I bet there's others from different places also. The answer should be NO AUCTION on Sunday at all , in other words knock it on the #(&. What I thick would work well is that all stall owners that have pins for sale could be on the Saturday and Sunday at a bargain price. Us Newcastle guy's could return the next day to purchase a pin that we had put a holding deposit on the Saturday. Nothing could be better for us or any guy from AP or AA is to walk up to markc's stall and have a chat ! and end up making a instant purchase on a pin that we could talk to him about and buy it on the spot. Most purchases I have made over the years was never planned, I would go to a market for eg. and come home with a expensive toy! there's more of you guy's out there is'nt there *%*. And dont forget auctions have a reserve on most items and end up getting handed in. Having a vote on this thread would give the organisers of the event an idea on WHAT DO THE PEOPLE WANT! vote: YES to a auction *%* or NO to a auction *.*
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I have literally just come off the phone to Rian.
ALL asked questions will be on the website tomorrow afternoon. So before speculating about whether the auction should be held or not - read what Rian has to say tomorrow.
In the meantime, he has given me permission to post some limited information.
Expo is NOT a cheap exercise - the money for this is being paid up front - believe me, the figures are quite staggering.
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This is PRIVATE money out of peoples pockets to get this up and running for the first year.
This money HAS to be recouped and the only realistic way of doing this within the context of pinball, is to have an auction of pins.
No other pins are allowed to be sold because it means that those auctioned may not be sold off and Expo outlays may not be recovered.
Next year Expo will be set up differently.
Now.... in my own words and this is not what Rian has told me, this is how i see it.
can anyone explain to me why those that are funding it should be out of pocket so other vendors can sell pins.
its quite simple - to have a stall at Expo is $500 - you can sell what you like, take orders etc. But you cant sell pins.
Now if the cost of expo is to be recouped simply off the stall holders fees then i for one wouldnt be able to afford it.
EXPO IS OVER 2 DAYS - only 2hrs on Sunday is for the auction. if you dont like the idea of an auction, then dont go.
If you let the fact that you dont like auctions ruin the weekend for you then that is something that youll just have to deal with. People are saying they will not go because there is an auction, so for 2hrs out of a potential 16 - 20hrs you will stay away??
Then stay away! And miss out on Expo #1, i couldnt care less.
Nope - i wont be attending the auction, ill still be in the Expo side chatting to those who have concentrated on the positives of all this and not what they percieve to be a negative...its 2hrs out of a WHOLE weekend for Chrissakes - go and have lunch and come back - will be over before your tears dry
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I'm with you on this SPURR. I have seen far to many pinball auctions over the years, and the vast majority do have reserves on the pinballs for auction.
Auctions make people believe that they are going to get a bargain, and it gets people in the door. But usually the case is that the seller is trying to get rid of the crap at a good price, and the buyer gets ripped off.
I've been called out to many a pinball that was sold at auction, only to inform the customer that there will be a lot of work needed to get the machine up to scratch. They are usually very upset at this stage, as their "bargain" is now going to cost them a lot more money just to make it work properly!
I also think it detracts from the whole idea of a pinball expo. Expo should be about enthusiasts getting together to talk pinball, meet fellow pinball fans from around the country (and possibly the globe), and have an enjoyable experience. I have no problem with pinball's, parts, tools, etc... being available for sale during the expo, as this is what many people will be after, and is what helps pinball companies to get their name out there. That's what I will be going for (well, probably not to buy anything), and am looking forward to meeting people who share the passion about pinball.
So for me, it is a big NO to having an auction!
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I have literally just come off the phone to Rian.
ALL asked questions will be on the website tomorrow afternoon. So before speculating about whether the auction should be held or not - read what Rian has to say tomorrow.
In the meantime, he has given me permission to post some limited information.
Expo is NOT a cheap exercise - the money for this is being paid up front - believe me, the figures are quite staggering.
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This is PRIVATE money out of peoples pockets to get this up and running for the first year.
This money HAS to be recouped and the only realistic way of doing this within the context of pinball, is to have an auction of pins.
No other pins are allowed to be sold because it means that those auctioned may not be sold off and Expo outlays may not be recovered.
Next year Expo will be set up differently.
Now.... in my own words and this is not what Rian has told me, this is how i see it.
can anyone explain to me why those that are funding it should be out of pocket so other vendors can sell pins.
its quite simple - to have a stall at Expo is $500 - you can sell what you like, take orders etc. But you cant sell pins.
Now if the cost of expo is to be recouped simply off the stall holders fees then i for one wouldnt be able to afford it.
EXPO IS OVER 2 DAYS - only 2hrs on Sunday is for the auction. if you dont like the idea of an auction, then dont go.
If you let the fact that you dont like auctions ruin the weekend for you then that is something that youll just have to deal with. People are saying they will not go because there is an auction, so for 2hrs out of a potential 16 - 20hrs you will stay away??
Then stay away! And miss out on Expo #1, i couldnt care less.
Nope - i wont be attending the auction, ill still be in the Expo side chatting to those who have concentrated on the positives of all this and not what they percieve to be a negative...its 2hrs out of a WHOLE weekend for Chrissakes - go and have lunch and come back - will be over before your tears dry
Hmmm, that does make sense Gav.
If the auction is to help keep the costs down for people who have stalls, and make Expo viable, then maybe it is a good thing.
I won't be attending the auction regardless, but at least now there is a valid reason for having it.
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I'm not going to make my decision until much closer to the date, and the complete information is available. But if it's a couple of hours, so be it, no biggy.
I can see why other pin vendors might not be so keen, but then I suppose it's a balance of cost recovery against making everybody happy.
The last thing I'd want is too much negativity (but fair discussion is a very good thing) as I can't see this repeating if we are all too negative about the proposal for its format.
As Gavin said, lets hold for tomorrow's web site update to get a better feel for what is happening.
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I'm over all Pinball auctions. &^&
As i have stated before, auctions and bargain do NOT go together in the same sentence anymore. !@#
If the auction is needed to pay for the Expo AND its only 2 hours ( which i can't see it being ) then thats fine.
In saying this and doing alot of reading on the expo my focus has changed from it being an Expo to more of a meet and greet/mass gathering/get together. @@*
I now am more happier to go to Sydney with the Expo as 2nd behind the meet and greet part.
One question
Whats stopping Mark attending the Expo with a list of stock ( pins ) and only having the intention of 'taking orders' ? %%$ @#% #@!
( Sorry Mark for using you as an example )
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There was another thread that stated that the expo was to be held over 2 days - 9am-5pm on Saturday & 9am-12pm on Sunday, followed by the auction. This contradicts what was stated above. Hopefully the update tomorrow will clear this up.
Matthew
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I do agree you Gavin but if most people say no to a auction and you quoted: This money HAS to be recouped and the only realistic way of doing this within the context of pinball, is to have an auction of pins.
No other pins are allowed to be sold because it means that those auctioned may not be sold off and Expo outlays may not be recovered. STOP.
How will any money be made at a auction if a small crew turn up and every pini bids under a reserve price.
Another way of making money for the event like this could be what all the shopping centre's do. I was in one for 10 years and that was that each company selling pins would pay the organiser a % of all pins that are sold, it was called OUT GOINGS all shop owners paid it. And yes I know it wont be cheap to run a event like this but if you are expecting the auction will cover most costs beware!
And Gavin the main reason Im going is to see your stall and other stalls and most of all to see all the other pin freaks like myself. But eg IF markc or Tony from The Pinball Shed (who said he wanted to bring a truck load of cheap do up pins to the event) were allowed to sell pins and one of them twisted my arm or someone's we may have left the expo with a new toy.
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As just posted under the main Expo page:
Can't put into words how disappointed I am with the negative slant towards this....this should be the greatest chance for pinball to come together - EVER - in Australia and all some people want to do is drag it down.
How about if your not happy with the way the Expo is being set up - just stay away, leave the rest of us to enjoy it and please keep the negative comments to yourself.
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So your telling me that 12 stall holders @ $500 each = $6000 doesnt cover costs already. *!@
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auction or no auction I'm still going.
I'm going to meet the pinheads from this fourum, and to play pinball of course.
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So your telling me that 12 stall holders @ $500 each = $6000 doesnt cover costs already. *!@
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Thats exactly what im saying... wait till you see the promotion for this, this demands big bucks!
So what rules would everyone be happy with?? And then when you asked yourself that - then ask yourself wether you should set something like this up.
Seems to me rules so far that people expect before winging is;
ALL INFO UPFRONT
ANYONE THAT WANTS TO CAN SELL PINS
ANYTHING THAT ORGANISER PLANS TO SELL MUST HAVE FULL HISTORY BEHIND IT SO WE CAN SEE THE EFFORT THEY MADE FOR US
NO AUCTIONS
ORGANISER MUST NOT MAKE A PROFIT - AT BEST BREAK EVEN OR EXPECT LOSS.
LET THE PINBALL COMMUNITY DICTATE HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.
Did i miss any??
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So your telling me that 12 stall holders @ $500 each = $6000 doesnt cover costs already. *!@
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Thats exactly what im saying... wait till you see the promotion for this, this demands big bucks!
So what rules would everyone be happy with?? And then when you asked yourself that - then ask yourself wether you should set something like this up.
Seems to me rules so far that people expect before winging is;
ALL INFO UPFRONT
ANYONE THAT WANTS TO CAN SELL PINS
ANYTHING THAT ORGANISER PLANS TO SELL MUST HAVE FULL HISTORY BEHIND IT SO WE CAN SEE THE EFFORT THEY MADE FOR US
NO AUCTIONS
ORGANISER MUST NOT MAKE A PROFIT - AT BEST BREAK EVEN OR EXPECT LOSS.
LET THE PINBALL COMMUNITY DICTATE HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.
Did i miss any??
NO AUCTIONS
I feel there is plenty of room for an auction....
Why cant all stall holders have stock on the floor to sell over the weekend, then on the Sunday arvo, auction off what didnt sell.
ORGANISER MUST NOT MAKE A PROFIT - AT BEST BREAK EVEN OR EXPECT LOSS.
Any orginiser has to make a profit, or cover cost minimum, if not why hold the event.
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Burra you grabbed this by the nuts.... 100% agreed. Mark goodonya for starting the thread. Alot of guys feel disappointed, they believe this is not what an expo should be.
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Burra you grabbed this by the nuts.... 100% agreed. Mark goodonya for starting the thread. Alot of guys feel disappointed, they believe this is not what an expo should be.
???? Bizarre!!!
Before Rian came along there WAS NO EXPO!
Ok - i have a suggestion. Why not go along and then tear it apart afterwards with any gripes you have once you actually been there, rather than doing it beforehand
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Good point Retropin. Everyone jumping the gun and making assumptions. !@#
So I'll make an assumption too. :lol I assume while the auction is on, the Expo will still be on in the next hall/room? So for those who aren't interested in the auction they can just stay in the Expo hall. Or is that another false assumption?
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I'm no fan of auctions - never have been and never will be. Whether it be Pinballs, Cars or electric blankets.
If I go to Expo, it will be to meet up with the great Pinhead friends that I have got to know "online" and also play some Pinball. Check out Gavin's Stall, talk crap at the dinner function or whatever get organized.. Have a few beers and chill out.
Honestly - I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I get up and make a coffee or check my email when the TV commercials come on, I don't HAVE to sit and watch them. The TV networks HAVE to make the $$ somehow, so too do the Organizers of the Expo.
I don't see why is it such a big deal. Maybe I should ring Channel 9 and complain about the KFC Ads.. I don't like KFC.
Am I missing something !@#
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Good points Nino, just hope the negative threads will stop as they are throwing a bit of a dampner on what should be a great event.
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As just posted under the main Expo page:
Can't put into words how disappointed I am with the negative slant towards this....this should be the greatest chance for pinball to come together - EVER - in Australia and all some people want to do is drag it down.
How about if your not happy with the way the Expo is being set up - just stay away, leave the rest of us to enjoy it and please keep the negative comments to yourself.
Sorry you miss under stood me, I had no intensions of negative comments at all.What I was trying to do is help make the expo a success financilly as well. If I was organising a event as big as this one I would love to here every one's comments early on, especially from all the guys in this forum for idea's and feedback to help run such an event. Like just how many pinball expo's have been in OZ before? At car and boat expos at both you can look and buy all products on display. Sorry If I have offended any one but every one is entitled to there own opinian , good and bad. *%* *.*
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I think Tony's comment is a "General Comment" - not directed at anyone in particular. I think everyone has a right to express an opinion on the matter, whether it be positive or negative. My outlook is positive and there may be a few more people with the same attitude that have not publicly commented - yet. Not sure.
One thing is for sure - While we are discussing the pros and cons of the Expo and the auction, there are a few people in the background working hard to organize the event, and there are others like Gavin, that have hours of work ahead of them for their contributions to the event.
The other comment I would like to make is that if the hard work was not done, and the EXPO didn't happen, then we could make comments like - "Why are all the Good Pinball Expos in the USA" etc..
We have an opportunity to raise the awareness of the Pinball world - After all, we have more Pinballs coming INTO Australia than ever before. So why can't WE make a claim of being one of the BIGGEST Pinball enthusiasts in the world ?
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Hey Spurr,
Is all good mate and your suggestions are spot on.
All i can say about Expo is that next years will be different ( Rians words). he is aware of the backlash that an auction brings. But it seems to me that the concept was born with 3 guys involved who are putting $$$ where their mouths are. No doubt the top question was "how we going to make this financially viable"?? and the answer it seems is an auction. That decision has been made.
Next years will be a different affair and no doubt based on what was successful this year and what wasnt.
it will grow, it will develope. This is Expo#1. It is what it is,.....but......it does now exist - something that wasnt alive 3 months back.
The auction may not be popular with the forum guys, but it may well be a huge success with Joe Public who will be a larger contingency at Expo than we will be.
So who do they cater for?? us??? Or reaching out to Joe Blow and getting him involved in the hobby.
If i was thinking of setting up an Expo and wanted to guarantee its financial success and had 30 pins sitting there, then i too would say - OK, ill auction these off for X $$ ea and it will pay its way with enough to expand for next year.
Its up to the organisers to decide how best to guarantee a return on their funds... like i say...next years may well be a different affair, but for this year - those decisions have been made already
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The auction may not be popular with the forum guys, but it may well be a huge success with Joe Public who will be a larger contingency at Expo than we will be.
So who do they cater for?? us??? Or reaching out to Joe Blow and getting him involved in the hobby.
Bingo,
poor old Joe public walks in not knowing the first thing about pinball machines but has fond memories of playing them as a kid.
Next thing hes paying way too much for a pin through lack of knowledge & getting caught up in the heat of the moment.
Gets it home, plays it for a while, does a bit of research & realises hes payed way too much for it.
This is exactly the type of client Auctions look out for.
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And yet havent we all sold a pin on Ebay??
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The auction may not be popular with the forum guys, but it may well be a huge success with Joe Public who will be a larger contingency at Expo than we will be.
So who do they cater for?? us??? Or reaching out to Joe Blow and getting him involved in the hobby.
Bingo,
poor old Joe public walks in not knowing the first thing about pinball machines but has fond memories of playing them as a kid.
Next thing hes paying way too much for a pin through lack of knowledge & getting caught up in the heat of the moment.
Gets it home, plays it for a while, does a bit of research & realises hes payed way too much for it.
This is exactly the type of client Auctions look out for.
Yes! I have been saying this from the start.........what a great way to introduce new blood, and promote pinball by selling joe public as-is auction overpriced pins.
rant off
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How do you know the pins are as-is? Maybe they are 100% working. Ever thought of that, especially since they are coming out of someones own personal collection and not a container.
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nobody will know until the day i guess. like i've already said i just hope its more about expo than auction and it seems that rian had addressed most concerns in his FAQ. if its only 2 hours of auction then it won't be a lot of pins. just enough time for a pub counter lunch nearby. it will be interesting to see the quality of whats on offer (i'm betting they will be on display thorughout the whole weekend, these are probably part of the games you can play given they are from a collection they'll all be in good shape i expect). at any rate it does give everyone a good chance to meet up and enjoy the hobby.
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Hello Boys..
I've never been to a pinball auction so if I get along to the Expo I'll check out the auction.. ;)
Be funny to see the birds and the trees drop in for a bid..
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Hello Boys..
I've never been to a pinball auction so if I get along to the Expo I'll check out the auction.. ;)
Be funny to see the birds and the trees drop in for a bid..
Hey woka, so many AA guys here now....better start calling this APAA.
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lol
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3 points.
1. We (Bumper) have not been told or invited in any way to the event. It is not as if we are not known.
I would have thought if an expo was on we might have been invited to (a) have a stand or (b) perhaps give a talk(c) at least advised.
2. As many of us have been to pinball expo in the US, they manage very successfully to have an Auction and allow people to sell pinball's separately. To not allow this smacks of the expo is just an excuse to have an auction with lots of publicity rather than being just a part of the expo.
You cannot tell people to have a stand but censor what they sell. What are we meant to flog for our $500, a few parts that are inoffensive to those wishing to sell there pins without competition.
Surely you could make good money for the expo through vendor stalls, entry fees, hotel accommodation kick backs, merchandise and other means and an auction for those wishing to by from auction.
An expo should be an expo, not a expo minus any opportunity for patrons to buy a pinball unless they go to auction.
An expo must be neutral and independent if it is to have any credibility.
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Could you imagine going to a BOAT expo and no stall owner is allowed to sell boats, but only parts. If you want a boat, sorry come to the auction.
If all stall owners were allowed to sell pins if they desired there would be more pins to view and play.
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I think this all needs to be taken in an overall perspective.
I will fly my colours straight away by saying I am not a fan of the pinball auction.
However, Rian has decided to plan and host the expo AND more importantly put up the funds to do so.
In doing that he has a perogative to determine the manner in which the expo runs and how he can raise part of these funds and he has determined that an auction is the way to achieve this.
At the end of the day anyone in the pinball community, commercial or private has had ample opportunity to establish an expo over the past few years. No-one has.
Rian has decided to take up the reins and that should be applauded.
As the expo evolves there will be changes.
No-one is ever going to please everyone.
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My concern is the pinball comp. I would like to enter but with the finals AFTER the auction means I have to wait around and might not even have enough time to complete the finals as my plane leaves at 7pm. Lets hope teh auction IS only 2 hours. I may not get into the finals but its still a worry for me.
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My concern is the pinball comp. I would like to enter but with the finals AFTER the auction means I have to wait around and might not even have enough time to complete the finals as my plane leaves at 7pm. Lets hope teh auction IS only 2 hours. I may not get into the finals but its still a worry for me.
you'll be in the finals big fella, on my book i've got you odds on! if you aren't then you owe me a pig. %$%
the guy has promised a 2 hour auction - at 5 minutes a pin (racing!) then that means there will only be around 20 - 25 pins. He can't promise 2 hours and then front with 70 pins and maintain credibility.
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Good point Retropin. Everyone jumping the gun and making assumptions. !@#
So I'll make an assumption too. :lol I assume while the auction is on, the Expo will still be on in the next hall/room? So for those who aren't interested in the auction they can just stay in the Expo hall. Or is that another false assumption?
I wouldn't assume that - there appears to be a definite break in the program while the auction is on.
But we'll see.
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Guys from Newcastle and the Hunter getting upset....What about guys from Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne (especially) Brisbane, Townsville and me in Mackay QLD that are coming down for this event who also have very restricted time, we also can't easily cart stuff back.
I don't mind an Auction being run at the event at all. If it means reducing the cost to run the event then so be it this time around but I suspect it will need to be incorporated permanently to keep and enhance the event for at least a few years in future. Media attention alone is a good thing that a 'unique' auction will generate.
Unfortunately, auction atmosphere is not a party or jovial affair and have an air of "don't touch" or caution restricting the enthusiasts ability to play the machine and get under the bonnet and discuss things with the owner, potential buyers will not disclose their intentions on price either so very few open conversations.
When the auction starts the men are quickly separated from the boys, at least half of the attending people will leave without seeing the end of it as the prices go way higher than mums and dad buyers think..
Running something potentially this size is an expensive proposition for anyone and hats off to those with the balls to try no matter what.
I think that after the auction all sellers of pinball (both not included in the auction and maybe those pins passed in) and accessory outlets should be able to go for it, bit like a flea market or have it at an AA or AP members place, anyone thinking of a post event barbeque??
Just my thoughts.
Cliffy Tucker
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Some of us probably need to get over what we think an "expo" should be (me included), and go for the best reasons like meeting other pinheads. I would in no way call this an expo, but its an opportunity for the hobby none-the-less.
*%*
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Some of us probably need to get over what we think an "expo" should be (me included), and go for the best reasons like meeting other pinheads. I would in no way call this an expo, but its an opportunity for the hobby none-the-less.
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Someone has to pay or the costs of running the Expo. Sponsors and the Auction will assist in this area.
Lets say there is no Auction - Costs will be covered by sponsors and ?? :D So to recoup costs, I assume the organizers would be forced into having an entrance fee. Then there is the possibility of backlash for the entrance fee ?
For the record - I've stated I'm not a fan of Auctions in general, but it is a necessary "Evil" in this case.
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Lookin fwd to it :)
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You cannot tell people to have a stand but censor what they sell. What are we meant to flog for our $500, a few parts that are inoffensive to those wishing to sell there pins without competition.
Surely you could make good money for the expo through vendor stalls, entry fees, hotel accommodation kick backs, merchandise and other means and an auction for those wishing to by from auction.
An expo should be an expo, not a expo minus any opportunity for patrons to buy a pinball unless they go to auction.
An expo must be neutral and independent if it is to have any credibility.
My thoughts exactly. I am still going and looking forward to The Australian Pinball Meet. "Expo" is the wrong title for this event IMO. See you all there.....cant wait to see your stall Gav.
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Some of us probably need to get over what we think an "expo" should be (me included), and go for the best reasons like meeting other pinheads. I would in no way call this an expo, but its an opportunity for the hobby none-the-less.
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Amen to that Sinbad ! ^^^ I have done a complete 360 on this topic. #@#
cant wait to see your stall Gav.
And a BIG Amen to that too ! $#$
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Some of us probably need to get over what we think an "expo" should be (me included), and go for the best reasons like meeting other pinheads. I would in no way call this an expo, but its an opportunity for the hobby none-the-less.
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Someone has to pay or the costs of running the Expo. Sponsors and the Auction will assist in this area.
Lets say there is no Auction - Costs will be covered by sponsors and ?? :D So to recoup costs, I assume the organizers would be forced into having an entrance fee. Then there is the possibility of backlash for the entrance fee ?
For the record - I've stated I'm not a fan of Auctions in general, but it is a necessary "Evil" in this case.
Um, there is an entrance fee.
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Some of us probably need to get over what we think an "expo" should be (me included), and go for the best reasons like meeting other pinheads. I would in no way call this an expo, but its an opportunity for the hobby none-the-less.
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Someone has to pay or the costs of running the Expo. Sponsors and the Auction will assist in this area.
Lets say there is no Auction - Costs will be covered by sponsors and ?? :D So to recoup costs, I assume the organizers would be forced into having an entrance fee. Then there is the possibility of backlash for the entrance fee ?
For the record - I've stated I'm not a fan of Auctions in general, but it is a necessary "Evil" in this case.
Um, there is an entrance fee.
OK - An increased Entrance Fee !
A substantially increased Entrance Fee that would have had people asking questions like ;
"There must be other ways to cover the costs.. Maybe an Auction"
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guess we have done this discussion to death........and its funny how people seem less riled-up about it
:tumble: issue now
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I think the bottom line is that if you want to go then there will be a pinball auction Sunday afternoon whether you like it or not. There is no sign of that changing. Frankly, I don't care either way.
With 100 pins there I suspect it will at times be difficult to get on one, but I suppose that allows more time for talking. It will be interesting to see how many enter the pinball competition, which I guess will be played on machines set aside for that purpose.
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LOL>..I know one guy that is up to his armpits with machines to fix up before the expo that are to be in the auction....he had to send some back he had so many to fix..lol...
But look how can I complain???Im not running the thing...If it turns out to be rubbish so be it...but will probably be a fun day...Im with Tony...no point whinging about it..lets go there and have fun...we are not the ones taking the risk and putting the money up for it all..all we need to do is turn up...
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If it's good, more people will be back the next year. If it's not, there will be less the next year.
But there is no point in pre-judging it - give it a go and see how good it is. Once it is over we can give constructive feedback.
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Carn't wait for this EXPO should be aload of fun not only in our hotel room *)* $#$ $&& $&&, Looks like a load of Melbourne blokes going to..
Peter
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
Nino I thought you'd be there for sure!! This expo's a must go isn't it-shit I carn't wait..
Peter
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
You know what table im on mate and you KNOW that there is a chair for you...might have to make up a Nino effigy ;like the ones we used to for Guy Fawkes
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
You know what table im on mate and you KNOW that there is a chair for you...might have to make up a Nino effigy ;like the ones we used to for Guy Fawkes
Do we have to book a table do we and if yes how do I go about this??
Peter
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
Nino I thought you'd be there for sure!! This expo's a must go isn't it-shit I carn't wait..
Peter
Depends on a few things, Peter - But I really want to catch up with some great pinball people.
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I'm glad the negativity has ceased and wiser heads have prevailed #*#
Gotta give these events a go !
I'm really hoping to go - someone reserve me a table &&
You know what table im on mate and you KNOW that there is a chair for you...might have to make up a Nino effigy ;like the ones we used to for Guy Fawkes
Sounds Good, Gav !
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Stuffed up my last post- Do we have to book a table? if yes how do we go about it.
Peter
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Stuffed up my last post- Do we have to book a table? if yes how do we go about it.
Peter
Fixed it for you Peter !