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We are pleased to announce that Gary Stern the President of Stern Pinball Inc. from Chicago, USA will be our main speaker at 2012 Sydney Pinball Symposium at the Hard Rock Café, Darling Harbour, Sydney on Sunday, the 9th of December 2012 (9:30AM to 11:30AM)
What the future brings….Where we’re heading…..Pinballs in Australia and worldwide…. The growing interest in competitive pinball….The impact of technology… and more
This is your opportunity to ask questions and meet in person the man who keeps the pinball dream alive!
Registration is necessary, the condition of entry is your donation of $20 per person to the Youth Off The Streets Charity.
DATE: Sunday, December 9, 2012
TIME: 9.30 a.m. to 11.30 a.m.
VENUE:
Hard Rock Café, Level 2, Harbourside Centre, Darling Harbour, Sydney
go to the link to register if interested.
http://www.ticketflex.com/Pinball_Symposium/2012_Sydney_Pinball_Symposium.htm
I am thinking of going, so if anyone else goes let me know so we can meet and have a chat. Also hoping that they have a Avengers on show, doubtful but would be very cool. The Saturday is the pinball comp I think for the AC/DC ??? I think
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That's an interesting one. Hopefully they can record the session for the out-of-staters.
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I would like to fly down if business doesnt get in the way..well worth it I reckon. It would be nice to thank Gary for AC/DC and X Men titles...perhaps a big thanks in advance for Avengers as well.
Second thing to mention/ask for is for Stern to not copy JJP, the dot matrix works well, make it bigger perhaps like the Sega one was back in 1995 (Batman Forever etc), anything, but dont copy the JJP way, cause we dont want pinball heading down the Pin2000 way too much again with massive LCD which looks stagnant when game play is on, and we dont want to lose the translite art features either...It would be great to hear Garys thoughts on the future of Stern and what they are cooking up and where they are aiming for etc...this is a big deal for any pinball person who loves this hobby with passion...
Thanks for sharing the info Swinksy. ^^^
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Who's we?
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I would love to go, but I can't.
I would like all the NSW guys to make an effort - if you are not busy etc - go and support Stern. At least catch up with Norbert, who is one of the nicest guys I've met in a while ^^^
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That's an interesting one. Hopefully they can record the session for the out-of-staters.
Yes me to I'd love to hear what Gary has to say.
Peter
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anything, but dont copy the JJP way, cause we dont want pinball heading down the Pin2000 way too much again
JJP's , machine looks nothing like a pin2000 machine, for starters the cab is a traditional pinball cab, whilest pin2000 had some good ideas the execution was wrong and the design was wrong. i honestly cant see why an entire headbox cant be an Lcd and have a moving translight, yet still looking like a trans light. scaring people out of innovation and saying things will end up like a pin2000 game if they experiment isnt helpfull imo.
and it doesn't move anything forward. he has to copy JJP because he cant come up with anything smart himself and he will fail because he is left behind
A few points to consider for anyone interested...and yes, I am in a hyped up manic/happy mood as usual so dont read if you dont want to.lol @.@ %.% %.%
Pin2000 only looked the way it did because they didnt have very thin LCD screens back in 1999, otherwise the headbox may have been a normal, headbox shape, making the game look similar/identical to all dmd games b4 it, versus it looking like a babys pram which was just too much for alot of people to get their head around. Also, alot of people still enjoy playing the Pin2000 games, and they do add a great diversity to a collection.
The comment regarding Stern not going like JJP/Pin2000, is to provide feedback to Stern to keep the focus on the playfield n shots n the basics that make a great pinball game exactly that, great, versus focusing on a 26 inch LCD screen which is the now the instant and most prominent feature of the WOZ machine...which is getting warm feedback at best, n looks dead when the game is off...
Its early days, we all have to wait for the dust to settle...I dont want Stern to be a clone of JJP, I want Stern to stay like it hs now become...the results of AC/DC and X Men and Avengers show a new and positive direction..Nothing happens overnight, and yes, Stern isnt perfect and has made mistakes...this isnt a easy business. Gary has always said that..
....I for one dont want all pinball machines going that way (JJP style) just because one manufacturer JJP believes its the way to go...as a buyer of new in box machines, I want dot matrix displays to stay for at least most Stern models and the Stern range....I also want translites to stay and the beautiful artwork which entices u over to a machine...not a LCD screen running advertisements which is where the JJP model will probably be forced to go when on location by operators squeezing every cent they can from a machine cause they can......
Re Stern, The X Men and AC/DC machines work n play extremely well to most buyers and the feedback from 99 percent of BNIB buyers say the same thing..That format works well.. Sure, adding Leds, RGB, better sound systems and the things Stern has been doing is moving in the right direction, but too much too quick, is also a problem if u are not careful...
People saying Stern has to copy or will instantly and automatically copy JJP to me, is simply not corect IMO, because its just not a forgiven conclusion..Alot of people beat up on Sterns just to keep the Bally/Williams resales higher as well, another thing that sometimes is blatant, but thats another topic... Sure, JJP is doing things differently, but it doesnt mean Stern isnt producing great machines at the moment.....Stern will never fail, there are too many passionate pinball people in the world today and the industry is booming by normal standards when u look at the last 13 years.
I think even the most enthusiastic Stern critic would learn alot by talking to Gary Stern and hearing him out with a open mind...sometimes meeting people in person removes all the negative assumptions or beliefs we get from time to time...I dont and cant judge people only on the past, at some point you have to give the bloke (Gary) a break and wipe the slate clean and give the bloke a chance. I did a few years back, and I am so glad i did.
My family loves my 2 x Sterns and so do all my guests. I have had plenty of people buy new machines just by playing mine.
Am i biased towards Stern, no, not at all, just absolutely positive about pinball and its future because pinball needs enthusiasm and constructive helpful feedback to survive too. I will be going to the Gary Stern talk, I think it would be a pleasure meeting someone who has invested his life into pinball. I try to be positive about everything most days, because when people have put you down all your life, the worst thing is reading anything that hasnt got a positive spin to it......Ok, hypo typing over.lol
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This post is not a go at you cavey, just a different opinion on some of the things you have said. Just wanted to be clear, its so easy to be taken wrong these days. *%*
I want Stern to stay like it hs now become...the results of AC/DC and X Men and Avengers show a new and positive direction..Nothing happens overnight, and yes, Stern isnt perfect and has made mistakes...this isnt a easy business. Gary has always said that..
Come on mate, Avengers isn't even out yet! How can it have results? And when you speak about results AC/DC is undeniable but X-Men? I would like to see some figures on that as i don't think i went nearly as well as anticipated. If you mean gameplay, well i can't even find one in Vic to play and from what i have read about it it 'feels' very familiar to another recent Borg game and the software leaves alot to be desired?
Stern will never fail, there are too many passionate pinball people in the world today and the industry is booming by normal standards when u look at the last 13 years.
I know you are passionate (being nice here) about Stern, but to say they will 'never' fail is a bit naive isn't it? If someone comes along JJP, Skit-B or whoever and does it better than Stern (in the consumers eyes) there is always a risk that the sales will drop to a level that is not sustainable for them to stay in business.
My family loves my 2 x Sterns and so do all my guests. I have had plenty of people buy new machines just by playing mine.
As i am sure they would love a B/W equally as much? Sounds like you are saying Stern's are more fun than anything else there...... !@#
Am i biased towards Stern, no, not at all
Seriously? %$% *%*
I love your contribution to this forum mate but that comment blew me away..... %.%
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Who's we?
'We', as in me, myself and I. &&
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Who's we?
'We', as in me, myself and I. &&
Glad thats been cleared up.. thought i was included for a minute
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Cursed, you make some good points...
Firstly, correct, Avengers isnt out yet, but the general Sternfan concensus is that it will be a winner based on the theme alone which has been popular worldwide movie wise etc, and the hope/fact the quality and game design will be kept in line (as good) as recent titles like AC/DC and X Men. Remembering AC/DC achieved its biggest pro-rata results in Australia etc, but X Men has been huge in the USA and has also been very well recieved n sold in Australia. I have personally been to 4 peoples houses who have a X Men Pro, and 4 peoples houses with the LE X Men model as well, just in QLD alone, and know of apx half a dozen in Sydney as well..
I think alot more X Men machines would have been sold but alot of people are still getting over the huge financial outlay of having just payed for a AC/DC LE etc (most people bought the LE for $9300 plus etc) and also, some people are holding off buying a X Men til they see the Avengers...Its very early days for X Men so far. Also, I have alot of the Borg titles, and have played all of Borgs Stern titles, and X Men plays nothing like anything even close, and the software is excellent, feels very complete so how anyone could think that, would tell me they havent even played X Men as yet. X Men i believe is great, and I am a hard person to please when it comes to forking out $6600 and above on any pinball machine..
I dont think Stern will fail, they have been through tougher times and their product is better than ever, and stern fans are on the rise. Staff levels of talented people at Stern have never been so good design wise etc, and Stern has capital to move forward now more than ever. Pinball has become popular. If you can get thru the GFC, u can get thru anything probably.
People play all my games when they visit which includes all manufacturers. Stern games just happen to be the most modern and they usually attract the most instant attention. I have sold more B/W games than any other model than I have kept cause I find them overpriced n over-rated...I have tried to keep them, but on gameplay alone i keep games, not by over rated nametags/namebrands. Espescially when guests say the same thing time after time. Most people say B/W titles are over rated n over priced. I wont disagree they are some of the prettt-est n nicest art designed/themed games, but that over compensates alot of the time n makes them look better than they really are IMO.
Its hard to argue a 1999 model is better than the latest 2012/2013 model. Unless u have forked out 7 grand for a 14 yr old machine and u want to make sure u get ya money back, which is human nature.
I am not biased towards Stern at all really, I just dont believe that pinball started n finished with Bally/Williams only.....
Anyway, a good healthy debate is what these posts/threads are about and if anyone can learn one thing from our banter, then maybe we have done something good.lol Theres no right or wrong, just opinions.lol As long as we stay passionate about pinball, it doesnt matter about age, brand or pricetag, just hit those flippers n get every bastard u know to buy a pinball machine.lol and yes, I am probably wrong half the time n right the other half, just have to work out which half... ^^^
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Anyway, a good healthy debate is what these posts/threads are about and if anyone can learn one thing from our banter, then maybe we have done something good.lol Theres no right or wrong, just opinions.lol As long as we stay passionate about pinball, it doesnt matter about age, brand or pricetag, just hit those flippers n get every bastard u know to buy a pinball machine.
Now that i 100% agree with! ^^^
Ok should probably go back to topic now....lol.
This Sydney Pinball Symposium, I can't find any info on it. Is anything else happening besides Gary speaking and the AC/DC comp the day before?
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I am hoping it will be the release of a LE Avengers, not likely but would be awesome.
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I think he should visit comicon with all the other nerds ;-)
Seriously, what kind of information could he possibly share that isn't already on the stern site (or to be announced soon), and how many idiotic irrelevant questions will he be asked by pinheads?
There's a little thing called email where you can ask him what you like thru the stern site....
What's your favourite colour Gary? ;-)
2cents... !*!
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Sometimes people will share things face to face with a select few who have made the effort to visit n hear him talk, than what he might or might not say in writing on a email etc....(espescially if its private-ish with no cameras or recorders shoved in his face for 5 minutes).
As for dumb questions from people, I am already pre-empting comparisons to JJP and the panic some people are putting into Stern not cloning them straight away to stay in the market etc...and will u have a 26 inch LCD monitor out by next wednesday etc etc etc...so I definately see your point there...and his favourite colour will NOT be emerald green, that I do know.lol %.% %.%
I am just hoping its not the same talk that he did at the last large pinball show in the USA (which i listened to already) but its about what Stern is doing to crush JJP,lol and any new titles like Avengers and what new directions they are going in. Its a risk to fly/drive all that way from the Gold Coast so I will be tossing a coin me thinks and see what the answer holds....
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You read the constructive criticism of Stern all wrong cavey... noone here has said that Stern need to "clone" JJP. In fact the consensus has been that the LCD on JJP is too big and the perfect balance is to have a DMD size or slightly larger LCD screen... why??? Because the graphics will be stunning.
Its like comparing a 1985 LED watch screen to a 2012 I Phone screen... Surely even you can see the improvement?
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You read the constructive criticism of Stern all wrong cavey... noone here has said that Stern need to "clone" JJP. In fact the consensus has been that the LCD on JJP is too big and the perfect balance is to have a DMD size or slightly larger LCD screen... why??? Because the graphics will be stunning.
Its like comparing a 1985 LED watch screen to a 2012 I Phone screen... Surely even you can see the improvement?
I was being tongue in cheek about the cloning part, although some will want Stern to clone JJP for sure, because Stern can do no good no matter what.lol...........I just want the next 2 years to fly past 20 times quicker so we can see where things are with the industry then...
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well I have locked in, so if allowed will do a low res recording of anything of interest - mainly avengers and share here late Sunday a brief de******ion and some photos and / or video
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Last call, 9.30 to 11.30am today at Darling Harbour Sydney, check out this threads 1st post for more details.
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Last call, 9.30 to 11.30am today at Darling Harbour Sydney, check out this threads 1st post for more details.
Enjoy Jady and plenty of photos please gee wish I could be there.
Peter
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+ 1 for some photo's
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waiting for the doors to open, will get photos and videos where possible
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Well did a 2hr drive to Sydney, 2hrs with Gary with a small crew of guys (about 30 in total turned up), 2hr return trip and back on the computer for a update while it was fresh in my mind.
Gary definitely is a character, loves to reminisce, it is amazing how small the industry is with Sam Stern and Mr Williams having had a business together. So he went through some historical stuff (as a kid to growing up in the industry) which was interesting but very similar to many of his talks on youtube and then a Stern tour video. Then half way through or a touch more we got up to the now which I will break up into sections and included info gained from question and answer time - which they actually did not give us a lot of time to ask:
The Pin
- The Transformer home version pin not for the collector nor the pinball player but for the intro person that wants a more hassle free experience
- this pin will use the new SAM 2.0 System
- the pin will have a tilt up / lift up glass.
- the trim is actually finished with some new coating technique and is powder coated timber
- After the Transformer model will be a Avengers - The Pin
The SAM 2.0 System
- after Sam Stern and Smoke and Mirrors (getting lots of use and effects out of new technology
- states is the future especially with node boards
- the main board has 2 usb ports, 1 sd port, 6 ultra bright leds which will replace the backbox fluro for providing light to the translate.
- SAM 2 board system will be linked into node boards so everything is connected with 6 wire like computer cables so less cabling
- this new board system will be tested in 10-20 AC/DC Premiums shortly to go to sited locations to get a work out and test - which will then go into every pinball only once tested and proven so looks like not in Avengers.
Pro, Premium and LE model
- Pro for the operator and pinball player (base level)
- interesting facts are 30% of pros reach the operator in the US, 40% pro's reach the operator in Aus and 99% hit the operator market in Italy
- the pro once moved to the new SAM system will be all LED as it can not run incandescent globes at all so the end is near with older globe lighting
- Premium is for the pinball enthusiasts that wants the le features but saving on the bling
- the LE is for the collector and he feels 500 of one type is too much and not so exclusive and 2 lots of 250 is a good mix and he said the X-men magneto was not as good seller as they thought and he personally does not like green games (the hulk).
This sort of variants will be the future with the premiums not always done ???? a bit of a who knows. He also said that they still have not mastered the business model as it changes with each pin / theme, which at least he admits.
Design
- one for you cavey - as long as he has some say in it there will be NO wide bodies machines as he thought they played slow, need more parts to fill it and in the end more expensive so would affect the price point of the games. He also said when a company brings out a wide body to him that means they are going down the drain.....
- does not like a full back box lcd but did not elude to anything else
- EDIT (added later) - Since all cabinets have decals now, decals will now be available through distributors to replace the faded or damaged ones on your cabinet
Titles
- was asked about the hobbit licence and he said basically JJP paid ALOT for it.
- was asked when the hobbit comes out would he consider riding the coat tales and do a re-run of The Lord of the Rings and he said that sound a interesting idea. They did re-new that licence but would have to re-new again to do anything else.
- was asked if he has played the WOZ, short answer was no as he did not want his photo taken playing it
The Avengers
- didn't give us anything new here except he has played the Pro alot and said it was a good fun machine - like he was going to say anything else.
- I asked about the leds - answer above in relation to the SAM system
- asked about the plate in front of the hulk and he hesitated, stumbled and stated didn't really now ????
- the hulk hits the table with his arms
- there is a magnet fitted to the table there ??? not sure where
AMD
- Bruce said LE's have sold out in Aus with 10-20 sold, exact amount kept secret but for every Avengers LE he got he had to get a Hulk LE which was a Stern condition.
- Pro's coming into the country 3rd week of January $#$
overall my first time experience of hearing Gary talk was very interesting and entertaining. He is a smart man with a degree in accounting / business and the a law degree and has had a few businesses including bars and pubs so hats off to him - smart guy and still passionate at 67 - well done ^^^. I take my hat off to him again for keeping the industry alive because of his passion, as that has helped alot of other pinball companies stay alive, grow and new ones develop as well. At the end he happily signed flyers and a guys AC/DC mirrored back glass which was nice of him.
some photos
- Gary
- Gary and myself
- Sam 2.0 System
- Sam 2.0 System closer look
I hope you enjoyed the info
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Did he mention or did anyone ask about the TF and X-men code updates this month?
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Did he mention or did anyone ask about the TF and X-men code updates this month?
No he didn't and I did not think to ask either, sorry
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Thanks for the write up I enjoyed reading, funny he didn't want a photo playing woz there might be a few in that boat lol :-)
Peter
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Thanks for sharing. Some interesting points from Gary.
Titles
- was asked about the hobbit licence and he said basically JJP paid ALOT for it.
- was asked when the hobbit comes out would he consider riding the coat tales and do a re-run of The Lord of the Rings and he said that sound a interesting idea. They did re-new that licence but would have to re-new again to do anything else.
I wonder how the licencing costs compares to WOZ?
Doing a LOTR re-run could be pretty lucrative, but the differences in technology of The Hobbit & LOTR would be chalk and cheese. But LOTR may be more attractive to some buyers because of it's price point.
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was asked if he has played the WOZ, short answer was no as he did not want his photo taken playing it
That would make a funny 'what the....'
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one more thing to add:
Since all cabinets have decals now, decals will now be available through distributors to replace the faded or damaged ones on your cabinet
here is also a poor image of the node boards that soon will be used on regular machines
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Thanks for the write up Jady!!
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Great work thanks for sharing and taking the time to write it up
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Thanks for the post Jady. ^^^
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one more thing to add:
Since all cabinets have decals now, decals will now be available through distributors to replace the faded or damaged ones on your cabinet
here is also a poor image of the node boards that soon will be used on regular machines
I got excited about the prospect of decals on cabinets when I was lucky enough to tour the Stern factory at Pinball Expo last year (they were pumping out Transformers in the factory). Owning a new in box machine at the time was a pipe dream.
Would love to know how much cabinet decals cost now. Would be nice to have tucked away in case anything happened to the current decals.
Cheers!
Adam.
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waiting for the doors to open, will get photos and videos where possible
you should have said gidday, us AAers dont bite lol
Was interesting to hear Gary speak in person, well worth the trip
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I enjoyed reading your report Jady(Swinksy), it was excellent for you to go out of your way to go to so much detail. ^^^
Gary Stern doesnt like bright green pinballs because the only other bright green dmd he ever did was Godzilla with the unusual headbox shape n lots of bright green ramps etc, and they only sold 500 maximum. So that probably cost him money, whereas this time round, HULK LE will make him money cause they are selling like hotcakes.
The probable reason for X Men not selling as good as they thought was because perhaps alot of people were still paying off their LE AC/DC machines, and people were also probably waiting for the Avengers to come out so they could make their mind up. I am told in recent days that X Men sales have picked up both here and in the USA so that is good news cause X men is a really great game IMO.
Everything else was great to read...5 seperate LED lights in the backbox means we will all now get backbox lightshows, and the machines all going to LEDS is also great news.
Funny to hear widebodys n people going broke by doing them etc...perhaps JJP will need to do a std body sooner or later to capture alot of the Pro market who still wants BNIB but at a lower cost.
Overall, very excited about the future for Stern from Garys talk and the feedback u gave. Thanks again for a excellent report/review Swinksy.' ^^^
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Back box lighting bring it on and get rid of he Fluro.
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Everything else was great to read...5 seperate LED lights in the backbox means we will all now get backbox lightshows
?????? You dont like backbox anything as its all redundant when playing the game remember?
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Gav,
I like backbox lightshows. Nothing bad about that. Lightshows are not 26 inch LCD screens, which no one can really decide on yet til the machine is finished and the programming for the machine is finished. Still months n months away til finished games arrive with finished code. but so far, it doesnt change often enough during gameplay with the early code, and I like translites, or backglasses.
Stern does traditionally 3 or 4 titles per year averaged out over the 13 yrs. They now do 3 or sometimes 4 variants of the machine. Because X Men and Avengers are super hero related themes (very closely related themes) its not unusual for people to wait to see the next superhero title before deciding which superhero title suits them best. In this case, Stern made two superhero themed machines back to back, which to my knowledge hasnt been done before, so yes, its normal for people to wait n check out the new title before deciding. It doesnt mean they are producing too many titles per year, because all titles are still selling well going by the amount of people on all the various forums worldwide talking about their recent Stern purchases.
JJP could do at least 2 titles per year, once they really get going, versus 2 only in a 3.5 year period, and they could potentially do more than 1 variant. Pro is like a variant, LE is like a variant. But JJPs LE versus the STD widebody is too close for me to call it a major variant. If they did a Pro or a std body, that could be a proper variant perhaps. This is up to JJP and potential JJP clients to decide on with their feedback.
Personally, I dont think JJP is really going to do anything major to upset Stern, because Stern are producing machines which are being sold out within days of release, plus they cater for the $6600 buyer and the $9300 buyer (or pro-rata the same in the USA.
JJP will have to make some broader changes to take more of the broader market before they ever really upset Stern in my mind.
The fact that Stern is making great machines now, means they may even grow their own business, so it looks like a promising future for Stern, with or without JJP anyway. Thats my view. Any growth in pinball is great for the industry, no matter how or who does it.
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as for JJP not having price variants or not enough models, have you ever thought that maybe JJP are a Porsche and Stern is just a pov pack commodore? it seems to me they might be a high end pinball maker,
Looks like I'm stuck with playing Sterns. Maybe I'll go for the HSV (LEs).
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as for JJP not having price variants or not enough models, have you ever thought that maybe JJP are a Porsche and Stern is just a pov pack commodore?
it seems to me they might be a high end pinball maker,
Funny you should say that I was thinking that the other day, basic commodore (PRO), SS Commodore (PREMIUM), HSV Commodore (LE), Barina (THE home 'toy' PIN) :lol
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Gary Stern would love the fact that we are all talking more n more about new pinball machines....
The question is, to get the JJP fans blood flowing, is - does a JJP WOZ play any better than a new Stern Pro.....
A base model commodore with the biggest V8 u can buy from factory with $36,000 will still do 240 klms per hour easy and still keep climbing out with long legs.......same as base model ford ordered with 5.4 litre...its a missile...., and the base models with the big V8's get their quick, probably 80 -90 percent as quick as a Porsche does the same job, but the Porsche is 200 grand...more money does not always equal better value for money....
The Pro is like the base model of a commodore or a Ford, but like these 2 cars, u get alot for your base money purchase...the entry level pinball, like the entry level Ford or Holden, always represents absolute value for money...designed that way to attract the masses for volume sales, with the HSV or GT models (like the LE pinball) being the creme profit for the company....
Pinballs are like cars to us guys, something cool to look at, listen to and show off.....shame ya cant drag race ya new Stern at the lights.lol
My Pro versus your JJP.....line them up.......quarter mile.....first one to lose a ball loses.lol %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
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I am not going for any gotcha moments and I do read every word of everyones posts. I did understand the good points u did make.
For interest, I have always ordered my company Ford vehicles with the V8 in the base model cause I have always wanted the ride of a std car with comfy luxury ride, with the look of a std car, and the grunt of the XRV8 etc without lower profile tyres or stripes etc or the overly done stripey interiors. You just have to pay the extra 3 or 4 grand to get a factory order with the V8 option...done it many times. In fact, thats exactly how the cops order most of the time etc, and most times my dealerships have just done the same spec order without any issues at all.
Ford has always accomodated such requests, and alot of people do it...you end up with a sleeper missile...sometimes they bring one out without you even having to specially order and call it a SR for the same price as the base model just to move the stock and it comes with either the 6 or the 8.
Most dealerships are always willing to accomodate if u hand over the money.
I hope Gary Stern comes back to Australia again, it shows he cares about our market for him to fly all the way around the world just to see Bruce from AMD and suppoort our AC/DC National competition etc.
Maybe Jack from JJP will do something similar as well when the time is right. That would also be a positive thing as well.
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Hey Brett I read somewhere maybe here that when asked about a Metallica pinball Gary didn't know what to say! On pinside there saying that's one of the next titles gee I hope so thats an awesome title.
Peter
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Pete, havent heard anything, not sure if Stern will do another band pinny so soon after AC/DC, I think they want to keep selling alot more of that model and will string that model out n every sale they can with it. Making a new band/music pinball might interupt the sales and flow of getting more of those AC/DC models out the door. They are still selling the Pro and Premium models steadily n well in most markets according to my Stern scources. I would be surprised if Stern do another band pinny within the next 2 yrs. Perhaps Gary was wondering who Metallica was.lol That i think would be more like it.
OlivJ, u asked me what model base car comes with a V8, I answered you. I dont want to debate anything with anyone, espescially if they seem to get upset at my posts or answers. Just a discussion is fine, no need for unhappy debates. Perhaps I will not make any comment or reference to anything u post so there is no lost in translation issues. Maybe you may wish to do the same with my posts. Perhaps u could send me a PM if u want any clarrification. Lets keep this place fun. No need for WTF questions.
Back on topic, I wonder if anyone took a video of Garys talk in Sydney ?
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+1 on a video source of Gary's talk
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Gary did state at the beginning of his talk that he would not answer any questions in relation to any future games, so no direct glues on next games.
There was rumour of a Superman (another Super Heros %.%) with Steve Ritchie heading the design but in saying that Star Trek was also another rumour that he was doing but no idea when.
I did set the camera to do a few 3 minute videos but the resolution and sound was poor hence I didn't post it. Sorry guys.
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Metallica, KISS, Star Trek ,Superman , there's some great titles there hey for a pinball whether you like stern or not and for the record I like stern it's a great time for pinball, I've never been so excited about what's out next and include Jack in this with his new games and 2013 going to be a great year for our hobby. Theres new machines coming out for most peoples tastes which is great and at an affordable price and with the pro its giving people who normally couldn't buy a new one the chance to get a NIB. I reckon stern got it right there's a model range that suites most omega right through to caprice lol and with all the mods around you can personalise the pro with some cheap options to suite your tastes if every machine they sold was $8500 I couldn't afford one but with prices around 6k like I just paid for Tron for me it makes it affordable. Stern may not be innovators but they have kept pinball alive when the rest buggered off so for that I'm a supporter and will continue to support them.
Peter
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Gary stern's convention helped a blind man see again, and he cured me of cancer <..>
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Keep on posting Brett you add alot to this forum and have helped me with several things which I appreciate, some here like to throw insults but you never retaliate or go to that level so well done. You have the "runs on the board" have some nice NIB machines and you enjoy Stern games that's great like me.
Peter ^^^
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Its all good. ^^^ Thankyou.
I wonder what pinball machines Gary Stern has at his place, or if he has none at all....sort of like taking his work home with him.lol
But surely he would have a mad gamesroom full of nice Sterns......next question to ask the man when i visit the USA....or maybe a email.lol
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Its all good. ^^^ Thankyou.
I wonder what pinball machines Gary Stern has at his place, or if he has none at all....sort of like taking his work home with him.lol
But surely he would have a mad gamesroom full of nice Sterns......next question to ask the man when i visit the USA....or maybe a email.lol
He probably doesn't have any lol maybe sick of the site of them, pinballs been his life his whole life.
Peter
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money is on Metallica for next pin %$%
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money is on Metallica for next pin %$%
Hope so