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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: Strangeways on September 29, 2008, 11:23:42 AM
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Gottlieb Rocky Restore
Background
Another machine destined for Mark's Collection. This is his "Holy Grail" pinball machine, so it will get the "full treatment". Rocky is a rare and very sought after System80, probably the most sought after Gottlieb SS machine built. I think Mark spent about as much time looking for a Rocky as I did, when I was looking for a Fathom. ^^^
Condition
Backglass - 4/10 - Poor. Will be replaced at a later date
Cabinet - 8/10 - I didn't see the cab when it was purchased - But Mark's in house team did the touch ups & repairs
Playfield - 8/10 - Day 1 Mylar on the bulk of the playfield. One wear area around the ball kicker at the top of the playfield.
Electronics - 6/10 - Some real ugly "route" repairs done by a bushman mechanic....Ground mods need to be done
Objective
To restore the game - not recondition. The cabinet will has already been done (externally), the electrical section will be rebuilt, electronics "bullet-proofed" and the playfield will be rebuilt with replacement parts. Hopefully, with the impending purchase of a NOS Backglass it will be a solid 9/10 all round.
Starting point
The game was delivered after the touch ups were completed. The front door is removed - no point in re installing it as it will be cleaned and rebuilt. Here's some pictures before I started;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20139.jpg) (http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20140.jpg)
As mentioned, the door is removed so the front section could be touched up.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20141.jpg)
Playfield "Before" shots - There is one broken plastic that resides above the Top Drop Targets
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20142.jpg)
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20143.jpg)
The wear spot is at the very top of the playfield, just above the "when lit" writing.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20144.jpg)
New targets will be installed to replace the worn out set
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20154.jpg)
Artwork has been redone in sections and looks very good.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20159.jpg)
"Mix and match" the flipper coils ! All are worn and need rebuild kits. EOS are from a different game on one of the flippers.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20201.jpg)
Playfield Stripped - Most of the easy to remove parts have been removed. The factory mylar is in great condition, just very dirty. Should come up really nice.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20205.jpg)
FILTHY - Thats all I can say.. Years of dirt and filth have accumulated. Needs a good clean.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20215.jpg)
Power Board - Will be removed and cleaned. There have been a few dodgy repairs here. There should be FOUR Bridge Rectifiers, not three. Two sets of wires have been connected to one BR !! I'm waiting on the Schematic from PBR to work out what's going on here. There's also a different capacitor mounted, so I need to check that out as well
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20218.jpg)
The playfield is stripped topside and underside. All the mechanisms will be rebuilt, playfield parts polished and cleaned etc.Once the manual arrives I'll place the first order. Here's a list of what I need to do;
* Rebuild 5 X Flippers - Flipper Rebuild kits to be installed
* Rebuild 3 x Target assemblies - New Target set
* Rebuild Bumpers - New bumper bodies & Caps
* Rebuild every mechanism and install coil sleeves. Incorrect coils will be replaced
* New transparent posts
* New Rubbers, globes etc
* New flipper bats, lane guides, post caps...
Cabinet work will involve a total stripdown, check for breaks in the grounding, clean and polish metal parts and check the power board. At the moment the body is stripped and components are ready to reinstall - except the power board will need another BR and Capacitor.
The upper and lower playfield have been stripped and placed in boxes for now. I'll sort through what needs to be retained, and what needs to be replaced.
Cabinet
Everything is removed. Earth straps included. The cabinet is returned to an empty shell. First, all the parts that have been removed are washed and then polished. The screws are 1/4 inch hex heads and they will not
be cleaned in a tumbler. So each one is cleaned with the wire wheel mounted on my bench grinder.
Then the inside of the cab is washed several times. After drying, the cleaned parts are returned back into the cabinet.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20220.jpg)
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20221.jpg)
The powerboard was disassembled and everything is washed, including the wiring and the cable guides. The transformer and wires are all checked, as well as the connectors. Then it is re installed. It will need a new BR and Capacitor.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20224.jpg)
The ground strap from the power supply is bolted on the earth point from the mains filter, and the main loom is fitted.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20225.jpg)
Knocker assembly and fuse "box" - again, cleaned. checked and reinstalled.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20226.jpg)
Lock down bar assembly - Free of rust and crap.. Nice and clean. A drop of machine oil in the mechanism and it is installed.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20230.jpg)
Power supply board installed and it looks alot better than before !
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20232.jpg)
and finally - the bell ! Polished and installed ;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20227.jpg)
Front Door
The Door was filthy and it had a few scratches in the front skin and the inside of the door was the usual, ugly dirty affair.. I stripped all the parts off the door, washed and cleaned with scotchbrite on the rusted
and corroded areas. I polished some of the parts with the buffer. I tried a new technique in cleaning the skin;
- Wash with windex and an old paintbrush, with the end trimmed so that the brush is "harder"
- Wash again with windex and hit the stubborn dirt with a toothbrush - again, trimmed
- Let it dry
- With a different toothbrush, scrub with Brasso and leave it dry for 5 minutes. Polish with a rag. Will look great
- Here's a trick - scrub the skin GENTLY, in a circular motion, with a small square of green scotchbrite.. WOW.. All those years of scratched and marks - gone forever. Buff the doorskin and here are the results;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20226_2.jpg)
HEAD
The head was removed and EVERYTHING stripped out of it. Earth straps were checked and the hardware was washed and or buffed. Its really clean.. (I hate rust, corrosion and dirt)
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20227_2.jpg)
Here's a picture of the head and the lower cabinet..
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20225_2.jpg)
Finally, the door and tilt mechanism from inside the machine. The tilt mechanism was rebuilt. All I have to do is double check the ground points and tighten everything up.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20229_2.jpg)
Like the FLASH restore - This game is now waiting for parts. Heaps of them ! I deliberately waited until I started this game so I could double check the Electronics and order parts for both games..
Three months later...... :D :D
The parts arrived from PBR. Mainly parts specific for Rocky - Pop Bumper Caps, Targets etc... and
Three flipper kits for the Five flippers that have to be rebuilt.
Under the playfield
What a mess. This machine was kept "on route" by squeezing oil into the coil sleeves and onto the plungers of EVERY coil. Coils were in the wrong place, coil stops were broken... It had A LOT of problems. Yet it
was still playable..
All moving parts were removed. The underside of the playfield is basically bare with the exception of the wiring loom and light sockets. The FILTH was stubborn, the oil was still wet inside the coil sleeves, and coil wires were clinging by a thread of wire. All the base plates were stripped and washed in hot water and nifti. Plungers soaked in Isocol all night, coils were washed and sleeves replaced.. Nearly everything was thrown into the tumbler in disgust ^.^
Target assemblies were stripped and rebuilt with new Targets.
After everything was cleaned, the bumpers were rebuilt, slings rebuilt and the flippers had NEW kits installed with the correct coils. Switch contacts were cleaned and gapped and the underside is almost done...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20537.jpg)
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20538.jpg)
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20539.jpg)
Playfield - Topside
Factory /Mylar was left intact and came up well after some attention with Novus 1 and 2. The edges of the mylar were tidied up with "Goof Off". The playfield metal was installed after spending a day in the tumber. There was some wear around the bumpers which I tidied up with a sharpie. It is not seen when the Bumper bodies are in lace and I've used some non adhesive mylar disks so it should be fine..
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20535.jpg)
So as of today, the playfield is almost complete. All that is left is a few rubbers and the plastics. All the posts are new and they have made a big difference. The Apron is done and just needs to be installed.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20542.jpg) (http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20543.jpg)
^^^
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Beautifully documented as always Nino!
All this Gottlieb love around - aint it grand?!?!?!
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without saying names , this pins was fully rebuilt before I got from its old owner
yes it did work but not to the standard it deserved. we spent close to 50 hours on the body before it went to Nino
not one edge connnected properly all had to be drilled screwed and re painted . hours work went into it
lucky we dont count the hours we waited for things to settle. and now poor Nino got it and he has spent not hours but bloody weeks of work on it. I am sure it will be as good if not batter than the RS he did for me. this will never be sold and will sit downstairs in my personal collection.
thanks for your greta effort and work Nino
mark
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Looking good boys!
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Outstanding work Nino! I'm just amazed by every restore you do. Thanks for sharing.
Mark, you must be one happy boy!
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Couldnt agree more - outstanding work as usual - attention to detail 2nd to none.
Could never own this machine myself - i couldnt bear to look at SLY all the time
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I get sick or repeating these words over and over again on Nino's restores... <.>
BLOODY nice work mate !
Can't wait to play it... *)* *)* *)*
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Thanks for the kind words people ^^^
most of you should know by know - its not "work", it's "fun". I get just as much enjoyment and satisfaction from doing the work, as Mark and family will get when playing it.
If Mark sends me some globes and rubbers before he goes, it will be finished by the time he returns.. :D
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Here's an update from last night ;
The upper playfield is complete other that two ball guide clips. One was missing and the other was broken. I've used some oversized rubbers until the correct ones arrive. Here's a couple of pictures...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20546.jpg)
Cosmetically, the playfield is done, and it is great to see it it nearing completion. I have to polish up a set of 27 inch legs and remove the 28 1/2 inch legs...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20545.jpg) (http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20547.jpg)
What's left to do ?
The power supply has been rebuilt and will be installed
The CPU board is corrosion free and I might install a board mounted battery
All the other boards are fine
So the boards will be installed and the mandatory system 80 ground mods will have to be done. Hopefully, it will be completed by the weekend.. I'm looking forward to playing it #.#
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Great result Nino ^^^
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hey is that my CV in the background....
and Nino just wait till I give you my next baby ....
the things I can find in USA ......... you will be working for me full time soon enough ...
on a side note I cant wait to get Rocky home. never to be seen again. will sit next to rolling stones and the rest
once I get them home I will take a few picture
should have a games room sorted soon
mark
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hey is that my CV in the background....
and Nino just wait till I give you my next baby ....
the things I can find in USA ......... you will be working for me full time soon enough ...
on a side note I cant wait to get Rocky home. never to be seen again. will sit next to rolling stones and the rest
once I get them home I will take a few picture
should have a games room sorted soon
mark
That's your CV in the background in the latest pictures. Mine is in the background of the earlier pictures.
I spend a few hours on the legs last night.. Just wait until you see how they came up !
:D
Hmmm... What are you bringing back from the States ???
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Last Night's Work...
"It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it..."
Time to clean and polish the correct 27 inch chrome legs. Most legs have some sort of corrosion, rust or scratching, but for this game, I picked out the best chrome legs I could find. But they still had issues. Not to worry, with a bit of work they will do the job. As long as they are straight, and don't have ridiculous amounts of corrosion, then the amount of time spend on them will dictate the finished product. They are all a little "dull" and two of them (rear) have the leg levellers still intact. One leg has evidence of a previous attempt at removing the leg leveller. Rather than remove the leg leveller, the bottom was cut off with a hacksaw.
I'll create thread in the "Tips" section just for the legs as well..
There are a couple of techniques I use to clean up legs. The first task is to remove the leg levellers. I have started with a leg with a leg leveller "rusted" in the thread of a leg. The failed previous attempt resulted in the bottom of the leg leveller being sawn off. The thread on the leg leveller looks like it was chewed by a Dinosaur. :lol
Leg Leveller removal
The first step is to grab some clamps and secure the leg on the workbench;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20549.jpg)
The second thing to do is clean the thread with a wire brush
With the correct spanner, loosen the nut almost towards the end of the thread, away from the castor. You may need to squirt oil along the thread to make things easier. The nut is a 14mm. I screw on a 17mm nut on the end of the thread and then by using a 14mm and 17mm spanner, I tighten them against each other, like this (sorry about the Flash);
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20550.jpg)
Now grab a 17mm socket and ratchet and start to loosen the nut... Like magic, the entire leg leveller starts to move. No matter how stubborn, it will eventually move. Sometime you need to "tap" it with a hammer (gentle persuasion)..
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20551.jpg)
After a couple of minutes - Out comes the thread...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20552.jpg)
... and all that has to be done is to remove the 17mm nut and discard the rest of it in the bin..
Rust Removal
Here's a challenge... Our American friends use a product with great results - "Lightening Rust Remover".. They buy it by the gallon, and soak the entire legs in a container overnight. The legs turn out almost new the next morning. I've never found the product here in Australia, however, the "lightening" product range do have some industry standard abrasive cleaners in the Bunnings shelves...
I use "Ranex" products - available at Bunnings and very cheap. The other products you need are Windex, water (I use grey water), a toothbrush that has been trimmed to make the "brush" harder, some rags, gloves and EYE PROTECTION... Don't skimp on the eye protection... in fact, if you don't have a pair of safety glasses, then don't try this AT ALL. If you don't believe me, then buy the Ranex Rust Remover and drop some on your hand... OUCH... That could be your eye...
Below is a picture of a fairly good leg. It does have surface rust on it. You can feel it if you run your hand along the surface. To the left in the Ranex and in the background are my safely goggles.
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20556.jpg)
I've set the side of the leg on a flat surface and gently poured the Rust Remover on the leg and used the brush to spread out the chemical along the length of the leg. No need to work it in.. just spread it equally. About a capful will do one side of a leg. Wait 5 - 10 minutes, the chemical reacts with the rust and turns a cloudy white.
Put your safety glasses on.
Check that you have your safety glasses on.
With the toothbrush, work the area in a circular motion... The chemical removes the rust as if it is mud on the floor. VERY easy to remove. The bruch MAY pick up the "holes" left by the brush and "flick" on your hands, clothes or face. Work the chemical in - Don't wipe it off.. No need to - yet. For stubborn rust, use another capful and wait another 10 minutes.. Scrub again... Then use an old rag and wipe it clean.
Do the same for the other side of the leg.
For the inside of the leg, you can use the same method. Since it is not seen, I usually pour the chemical into the "channel" of the leg, and then work it into the rust with the toothbrush.. You can use a scotchbrite pad here - it is not seen and is usually "dull" anyway...
Here's a picture of the chemical at work on the left hand side of the leg. I have not worked it in at all - just spread the chemical out on the top half of the leg and left it for 10 minutes...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20558.jpg)
Closeup of the area..
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20559.jpg)
After finishing the scrubbing, I wipe it with a cloth (later discard the cloth), and then spray it with windex and wash it straight away in a bucket of water and an old bucket... Finally, dip it into another bucket of clean water. Hand dry it with a cloth.
Polishing
Two choices - Buffer wheel or by hand. I use Brasso and do it by hand... The buffer can be used for more stubborn polishing, but it can sometimes be a bit dangerous to handle a large leg on a buffing wheel.
Polish the new legbolts and install new leg levellers, and it should look like this ;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20561.jpg)
I STARTED the legs at 6:00 PM and FINISHED around 10:00 PM... About an hour per leg...
:D
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WOW! those legs look great Nino
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WOW! those legs look great Nino
OK, his legs are OK I guess, but get a room if you're gonna start that sort of thing!
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I was waiting for that Nick, I was gonna insert a wink smiley to prevent smartassed comments like yours! %.%
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WOW! those legs look great Nino
I'll try to take a picture of the legs during the day - ie. No flash.
Next update will be the board mods, so I'll throw up a better picture of the legs
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I was waiting for that Nick, I was gonna insert a wink smiley to prevent smartassed comments like yours! %.%
I was going to do the same... But nick is a smartass all the time.. <.> <.>
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Ah, my reputation is safe! @.@
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Here's a quick update on the progress of the Rocky. This update is a little behind, as I've taken some time off the restoration to rest my back. I did finish the work prior to my little "accident" @.@
A better picture of the Legs. I took this photo during the day, so the flash would not make the legs appear to be dark. The shine is really nice in this photo, and it is also a good indication of what the front of the game will look like when the rest of it is finished !
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20565.jpg)
Boards
The "Fun Part"... The boards were really in very good condition, but there were some modifications that I did not like. The +5 and GND were common to the driver, CPU and Power Supply boards - but this wouls not address the inherent grounding problem that plagued system 1 and system 80 games. Although the game did work fine when I got it (not resetting etc), I wanted to make sure the game was upgraded correctly. To do this, the boards must be tied to a common ground - which for a system 80 - is the grounding strip on the transformer board in the lower cabinet. A wire is soldered onto that strip, and then routed through the body and head and terminated on the power supply mounting rail. From the PSU mounting rail, we run short lengths of wire to each grounding track on the boardset. CPU, Driver, Sound etc...
The Power Supply has had ALL pins replaced, but I kept the old housings are they were good. I upgraded the power supply as per Clays recommendations and it is ready to be tested. All the other boards were fine. CPU board had NO corrosion, but I replaced the wiring to the battery holder as it was too thick for that application. The CPU board had a nasty "Cheap" connector installed that was just... well... I didn't like it - so I replaced it with the proper housing and re pinned it ;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20321.jpg)
No repairs were required for any of the boards - except the removal of the "wiring mod" for +5 and Ground..
So here is a picture of the finished board set on its baseboard.. A LOT better than what I started with and it should be rock solid once I fire it up !
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20566.jpg)
Next update will be next week - I hope !! SOOOO CLOSE @.@
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Update !
FINALLY - Rocky was powered on after reconnecting and testing - and it works fine ! There were a few issues like globe holders and I had to adjust the flipper EOS for power. Apart from that, I've got one shorted transistor on the AUX Lamp board, but that is an easy fix.
One issue had me STUMPED for HOURS... The "Shooter" coil would fire when the ball activated it's switch, but then the plunger would stay activated - !*! First I thought it was the coil or the diode. So I replaced the diode.. then the coil.. No difference. Then I swapped the driver board - no difference.. I did notice that when I got the machine, there was a long screw and washer that was mounted near the coil bracket. I had no idea why, except it seemed to be there to prevent the plunger from "full travel".. So the plunger would NEVER hit the stop. There was the clue.
The previous "repair" that was done was to replace the coil bracket with an EM bracket.. not a SS bracket. What's the difference ? EM = AC, SS = DC.. So the wrong bracket was installed, "Magnetizing" the plunger AFTER it completed its travel -thus "holding" the shooter at the end of its travel. DUMB AS.
So I installed a SS Bracket and it is as good as new..
One BAD point about the New Targets - After 20 games, the White target "6" is PEELING already !*! So I'll have to send an email to PBR..Looks like mylar has to be applied to these hot stamped target. I've never had to do that before ?
Here's some pictures ;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20574.jpg) (http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20575.jpg)
There's a display cover missing, I'll just grab another another one and install it. All the displays work fine
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20576.jpg)
The boards are all working fine and I've installed the Battery Backup. Notice the amount of effort you have to go to to have the grounding mods done..and the replaced pins and connectors..
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20577.jpg)
I'll have to do something about the targets - either have a replacement sent out, or cover them with mylar. A bit disappointing, but I've never had to do it to any targets beforehand.
I have a few things to finish on the game - just small things - but is really does play FAST and it is a really cool game when working perfectly.
^^^
Next update will be a few pictures of the mandatory mods in the cabinet and a last couple of completed photos..
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That sucks about the targets, it will be interesting to see what PBR have to say about them
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That sucks about the targets, it will be interesting to see what PBR have to say about them
I have a feeling they are printed - not hot stamped. I will email Steve tomorrow with before / After pictures. Sucks because I can't play it in fear of causing more damage.
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That sucks about the targets, it will be interesting to see what PBR have to say about them
I have a feeling they are printed - not hot stamped. I will email Steve tomorrow with before / After pictures. Sucks because I can't play it in fear of causing more damage.
what you do to my rocky NINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
remember I have your address .............. !*! !*!
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Its come up real nice Nino. Congrats...
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That sucks about the targets, it will be interesting to see what PBR have to say about them
I have a feeling they are printed - not hot stamped. I will email Steve tomorrow with before / After pictures. Sucks because I can't play it in fear of causing more damage.
I have had the same problem with Centaur targets and Stern '1...5' numbered targets from PBR. Paragon targets, on the other hand, have been fine.
cheers
Ian
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ALL the targets I have ever bought from PBR have been hot stamped. These look to be different. The "Rocky" on the targets is hot stamped, but not the numbers.. But the ink has only peeled off the number "6" - none of the others...
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OK - The Target issue is resolved - I shot off an email to Steve, and here is his reply ;
"White Hot Stamped(And they are hot stamped) need to be covered with protective Mylar.
Since the 1980's, the formulation of the stamping foil has been changed to remove the lead(By Law), resulting in less durable white stamping "
So I'm going to have at least the "6" replaced, and I will mylar the others tonight.
Steve has offered to replace whatever targets I deem to be damaged. I believe that there are only one or two.
I will be mylaring all my targets, or at least asking if they are using the new technique to stamp them.
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OK - The Target issue is resolved - I shot off an email to Steve, and here is his reply ;
"White Hot Stamped(And they are hot stamped) need to be covered with protective Mylar.
Since the 1980's, the formulation of the stamping foil has been changed to remove the lead(By Law), resulting in less durable white stamping "
So I'm going to have at least the "6" replaced, and I will mylar the others tonight.
Steve has offered to replace whatever targets I deem to be damaged. I believe that there are only one or two.
I will be mylaring all my targets, or at least asking if they are using the new technique to stamp them.
That's a handy thing to know for future reference.
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OK - The Target issue is resolved - I shot off an email to Steve, and here is his reply ;
"White Hot Stamped(And they are hot stamped) need to be covered with protective Mylar.
Since the 1980's, the formulation of the stamping foil has been changed to remove the lead(By Law), resulting in less durable white stamping "
So I'm going to have at least the "6" replaced, and I will mylar the others tonight.
Steve has offered to replace whatever targets I deem to be damaged. I believe that there are only one or two.
I will be mylaring all my targets, or at least asking if they are using the new technique to stamp them.
You would think in this day and age that they had something better than this solution @.@
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Are the hex caps holding the playfield plastics readily available? some of mine are cracked.
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Are the hex caps holding the playfield plastics readily available? some of mine are cracked.
The Rocky uses the metal Acorn Speed Nuts. They are metal. Greg carries them ;
http://www.rtbb.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=433
Are the posts for your ALI ? If so, they are Plastic ones, and PSP carries them;
http://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/index.php?search[terms]=acorn&search[mode]=any&x=0&y=0
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Thanks for that Nino, your assistance as always is appreciated.
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Thanks for that Nino, your assistance as always is appreciated.
You are %)%
Always happy to assist.. :D
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PBR honored the warranty on the Target and the new one arrived with some mylar in the latest order !!!
Stay tuned for the final update !
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Were you able to source new plastics for Rocky? PBR did not have them, but purchased targets etc from them.
What is the best way to tidy up the ball guide rails on the playfield please? - they are a little rusty
Thanks,
Tony
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Were you able to source new plastics for Rocky? PBR did not have them, but purchased targets etc from them.
What is the best way to tidy up the ball guide rails on the playfield please? - they are a little rusty
Thanks,
Tony
Tony - I don't believe the plastics are available anymore..A member here bought the last set some time ago (and the Spirit plastics as well).. Hopefully you will receive some mylar with your targets. I strongly suggest you use it !
The ball guide rails - Do you mean the steel guides, or the woodgrain guides ?
The metal guides - First clean with windex and an old toothbrush, then regrain with 360 Wet/Dry sandpaper. Best to remove them when doing this.
Hope that helps !
^^^
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Hi Nino,
Sorry for not making it clear but was referring to the steel guides. Will follow your advice.
Thanks for the advice re targets. I did read that in one of your posts.
My plastics are pretty good but thought I would try to grab a spare set.
Thanks,
Tony
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Hi Nino,
Sorry for not making it clear but was referring to the steel guides. Will follow your advice.
Thanks for the advice re targets. I did read that in one of your posts.
My plastics are pretty good but thought I would try to grab a spare set.
Thanks,
Tony
Good Stuff Tony.. I like having a second set of plastics as well..The only available plastics sets would have been the ones left over from Production days.. I'm not sure if they were reproduced.
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I have the "final word" on the hot stamped targets from PBR, after I asked for clarification on what colors needed to be protected;
"Any color Drop Target with White Hot Stamping should be covered by Mylar!
Any White Drop Target with Red Hot Stamping Should be covered by Mylar!
If you have the mylar - cover them all !"
So the Rocky will have mylar installed on all the targets.
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I have the "final word" on the hot stamped targets from PBR, after I asked for clarification on what colors needed to be protected;
"Any color Drop Target with White Hot Stamping should be covered by Mylar!
Any White Drop Target with Red Hot Stamping Should be covered by Mylar!
If you have the mylar - cover them all !"
So the Rocky will have mylar installed on all the targets.
That's a bit orderary, you'd think they could somehow protect them better than that, or at least put the mylar on themselves ::)
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I have the "final word" on the hot stamped targets from PBR, after I asked for clarification on what colors needed to be protected;
"Any color Drop Target with White Hot Stamping should be covered by Mylar!
Any White Drop Target with Red Hot Stamping Should be covered by Mylar!
If you have the mylar - cover them all !"
So the Rocky will have mylar installed on all the targets.
That's a bit orderary, you'd think they could somehow protect them better than that, or at least put the mylar on themselves ::)
It is a Royal pain in the arse... Cutting them to size, then removing the assemblies and placing the mylar over the targets.. Interestingly enough, My Paragon Targets have been in the machine for four months - No Mylar - and they are perfect..
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Interesting...protect with Mylar.
How long do you reckon this will last?? Mylar is OK with having a ball roll over it but bashing it is another matter.
Thought of using something else like a clear epoxy? Even a squirt of polyurathane has got to be better than mylar surely?
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I was thinking the same thing. Clear coat of some sort maybe? Same stuff that is used to clear coat playfields perhaps.
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I used the thinner contact for the 1,2,3 targets on my Fathom. When I insalled new targets about 10 years ago I covered them with contact from day 1.
The contact is still adhering perfectly now and those targets cop a hammering sideways too. I cut sections for the targets from a sheet of the thinner contact that operaters used to use to cover whole playfields, this seems just right, not too thick like the regular mylar. I don`t know if the cheap book covering type contact is any good for this application.
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Ok, ill admit...10 years "in the field" testing is pretty conclusive...
... but will it last 11??? HA!
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Targets are all good. The machine is basically done. Just needs to be play tested to iron out any teething problems. I'll post final pictures soon !
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Finally - The machine is ready for the new owner &&
I replaced the damaged Target and installed mylar on all the targets. I added a ground wire to the Sound Board, as this is not covered in Clay's guides. It plays incredibly fast, and for some reason, I keep going back "just one more game"... %.%
So here are some final pictures before it leaves my garage ;
Nice and brightly lit up - Just about everything on the playfield is new
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20325.jpg)
Polished Legs and front profile of the cabinet ;
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20314.jpg)
Entire machine from a bit of a distance...
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20308.jpg)
Front of the game and the playfield !
(http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20307.jpg) (http://www.aussiepinball.com/strangeways/restores/rocky/Picture%20309.jpg)
I'm pleased with the machine, and I look forward to my next System 80 which will be one of - Haunted House, Spirit, Amazon Hunt or Force II
:D
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Looks beautiful Nino - just outstanding!
have you managed to locate a good BG for this?? I know Mark was trying to source one.
Ill be in Melbourne soon and would love to see a NOS BG!
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Great job Nino, looks fantastic ^^^
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Looks beautiful Nino - just outstanding!
have you managed to locate a good BG for this?? I know Mark was trying to source one.
Ill be in Melbourne soon and would love to see a NOS BG!
Mark has had some leads - he can chime in once he reads the thread - he may have one. I think out of all the Backglasses that are NOT being reproduced, Rocky is the highest on the list. I know four machines that need backglasses.
I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent backglass.
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Looks beautiful Nino - just outstanding!
have you managed to locate a good BG for this?? I know Mark was trying to source one.
Ill be in Melbourne soon and would love to see a NOS BG!
I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent backglass.
You do now, my Rocky Backglass is flawless 10/10 :D
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Looks beautiful Nino - just outstanding!
have you managed to locate a good BG for this?? I know Mark was trying to source one.
Ill be in Melbourne soon and would love to see a NOS BG!
I honestly don't know anyone who has a decent backglass.
You do now, my Rocky Backglass is flawless 10/10 :D
Have scanner - will travel #*#
That's the first 10/10 Rocky backglass I've heard of - exception being NOS with HUGE shipping price on it.
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These would be nice, but a ridiculous price
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Gottlieb-Rocky-Pinball-Playfield-Plastics-Packaged_W0QQitemZ170298843313QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170298843313&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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These would be nice, but a ridiculous price
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Gottlieb-Rocky-Pinball-Playfield-Plastics-Packaged_W0QQitemZ170298843313QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170298843313&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I thought it would include the playfield as well !
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Me too Nino,
I contacted him as he was the same guy that sold the backglass on ebay recently. This was his response
"Well, sense I've seen that game bring 10K. $650.00 for NOS plastics is cheap"
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Me too Nino,
I contacted him as he was the same guy that sold the backglass on ebay recently. This was his response
"Well, sense I've seen that game bring 10K. $650.00 for NOS plastics is cheap"
If Steve Young did a run of the plastics they would be less than $200. I've never seen anyone pay $10,000 for a Rocky.
That's GreedBay for ya !
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Me too Nino,
I contacted him as he was the same guy that sold the backglass on ebay recently. This was his response
"Well, sense I've seen that game bring 10K. $650.00 for NOS plastics is cheap"
WTF??? &^&
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I have been downstairs playing the rocky for the last hour ......
its growing on me
still its not for sale NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
will look good once I set up my games room
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Gotta love the robotic sound of the old Votrax SC-01 voice chip on this machine...constantly announcing round numbers, Round 1,
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lol
yea it has grown on me
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RARE-Gottlieb-ROCKY-Pinball-Machine-/150603857310?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item2310b07d9e (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RARE-Gottlieb-ROCKY-Pinball-Machine-/150603857310?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item2310b07d9e)
It appears that Mark.C. is selling his much sort after 'holly grail' pin. I'm surprised to see this on the market and will be watching this one closely!
I've played another members Rocky (in superb condition) and is a challenging game but requires quite a bit of skill and coordination to master.. *%*
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You'd think a game restored by the Master Restorer would go better if the credit for the restoration was mentioned? !@#
Is "Ian" their system 80 specialist? He gets a mention! :lol
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" many hours of work gone into the machine to get it to a standard my workshop is happy with " - 15 games after it was restored %.% %.% %.% %.%
I must be getting slack in my old age !
..But I still have a lot of pride in my restoration work.
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" many hours of work gone into the machine to get it to a standard my workshop is happy with " - 15 games after it was restored
First thing that I thought of as well lol
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Is that my BG i made up for you or did you manage to source NOS?