For the record, Nino is not a Stern basher and I have not, and am not saying that at all, otherwise I would have stated that clearly...and i am not saying that because you are a moderator, but because its true..if anything Nino has been even handed with his feedback about Stern, and hasnt been unduly negative at all. So I dont want u thinking this debate/difference of opinion is pointed at you specifically Nino, which its definately not, its just me being the devils advocate and defending/arguing passionately for Sterns achievements versus against. If I have made u feel singled out, I sincerely apologise matey cause its not what i was intending, and keeping u n Nick from wanting to throw out the peace pipe is not what i want at all..lol Nino is not a stern basher.. but i do want to see you doing the Stern factory tour and I am buying u a Stern shirt for Xmas.lol
And even if anyone is a stern knocker or basher, its not a crime, merely a opinion which can only help a healthy debate to get the juices and ideas flowing...which all posters have....but it does irk me, cause AC/DC and X Men have brought alot of joy to my collection so to speak, and everytime Stern cops criticism without new ideas also put up to help, I think Stern loses sales and its a shame that pin players or collectors might be swayed and not by one of the recent most excellent titles...
yes, the cost cutting days were stupid, and i remember posting that at the time, cause Gary diod a talk to his dealers at a conference and he opened up to the 100 plus strong crowd with astatement like "you guys are not going to like the changes we are implementing" which I thought at the time was commercial suicide from a business owners point of view. Not only was it unneccessary, but it achieved nothing and alienated/lost more market and sales...those days are over with AC/DC and X Men, and Avengers shld follow suit...
What i dont want to see is the base DNA of pinball change too much at all, cause then its not pinball anymore...
Does anyone like the current format and style of games like the overall base design of the modern Stern pinny like AC/DC n X Men etc..forget the subject matter, but I thought that base design and style is what pinball really is...sure, add a few leds or RBG, maybe a small LCD with movie like graphics, but how far do u go before its like Pin2000, which to me, was just too much of a hybrid...maybe a hybrid design every 5 or 10, but not every machine or that base DNA changes and we lose what we have come to love n enjoy...JJP might be great for pinball, but if these things start to morph into machines that are no longer pure pinball, its all over red rover, and JJP might be the beginning of the end, versus the new era...food for thought.
P.S - that LCD digitised playfield idea/design etc, I think is an absolute shocker, an abomination...u might as well just buy a computer game and be done with it, its like a blow up doll, far from the real thing...so far infact, could u even call that pinball, more like simulated pinball....yuk yuk yuk..its like having a robot for a wife..its just not the same or even close...cyborg pinball versus the game we love..that will be the end of pinball if everyone goes that way.lol Then the pinball machines might take over like Terminators,lol 
Add porno LCD graphics to that virtual pinball idea and u might change some peoples minds... 
only the young people ofcourse, I mean us old farts wouldnt buy pinballs with big tits on it would we.... 
All good Brett. I will be assisting Leo from Cashbox this weekend for the Stern AC/DC comp - I have no problems promoting Stern or JJP. Whoever remakes a KISS pinball will have my money, that's for sure
