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Title: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 05, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
I've got my eye on a playfield overlay, but have had no previous experiece with them, as I have always touched up playfields before. Anyone here have some info to share about clear coating them and also how durable they are  !@#
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: MartyJ on July 05, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
Unless your playfield is down to bare wood like mine, avoid like the plague. 

Clear coating over the top of a sticker is just asking for trouble.



Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: el_timbo86 on July 05, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
Unless your playfield is down to bare wood like mine, avoid like the plague. 

Clear coating over the top of a sticker is just asking for trouble.





+1 with Marty, while it may look 'nice' short term, once you get some plays on the game you will most certainly run into adhesion problems. Particularly around heavy traffic areas and posts.

I would stick with your touchup work  ^^^

Tim
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: mildflame on July 05, 2011, 08:34:38 PM
can we see photos of the wear on the playfield?
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Boots on July 05, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
How would water-slide decals go for text and separate pieces of graphics?
Say if you painted the main colour then applied the separate decals and then clear coated?
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: MartyJ on July 05, 2011, 09:08:24 PM
can we see photos of the wear on the playfield?

Was that mine Mitch?  Photos of the playfield on the wear!  && && && &&
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Caveoftreasures on July 05, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
In my opinion, OVERLAYS are only good for machines that would be home use only with small to medium game numbers being played.

   !@#  Something alot of people dont realise, is that alot of commercial sellers use overlays and never say anything. If its done right, its hard to tell, until you rub your fingers accross the playfield and feel the ridge of the sticker.

   *%*   Interestingly, there was a INDIANNA JONES WIDEBODY that sold apx 10 days ago on Ebay for $3300. When i closely looked at the feedback for the seller, i could see that they had purchased a Indy Overlay a few weeks before from a melb parts seller. Thats why the machine was so cheap. Wonder if the buyer put 2 and 2 together. ?
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Retropin on July 05, 2011, 10:42:08 PM
there was a INDIANNA JONES WIDEBODY that sold apx 10 days ago on Ebay for $3300. When i closely looked at the feedback for the seller, i could see that they had purchased a Indy Overlay a few weeks before from a melb parts seller.


.... Sherlock
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Strangeways on July 05, 2011, 11:57:18 PM

I dislike overlays completely. I've never seen a good result, and I played a KISS with an overlay and it was slow and the  lights through the inserts were so dim, I had to turn off the light in the room. Horrible idea.
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: wonder on July 06, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
Got two overlays at home but dont think I will ever use them.Did see someone where someone put two much clear on it and when they tighten the post the clear coat all cracked as the post turned.Destroyed it

That was the nail in the coffin for me.
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Caveoftreasures on July 06, 2011, 12:33:52 PM
there was a INDIANNA JONES WIDEBODY that sold apx 10 days ago on Ebay for $3300. When i closely looked at the feedback for the seller, i could see that they had purchased a Indy Overlay a few weeks before from a melb parts seller.


.... Sherlock

Thanks Gav.  ^^^   %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
I often look at the feedback for any seller who is offering a pinball machine for sale on EBAY. When u look at their feedback, u get to see all the parts they have purchased for the game (if any) and who they bought the parts from. You can even see if they have bought or sold any pinnies. All helps to make a decision to purchase or not.   ^^^
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 06, 2011, 05:07:47 PM
It seems like the concensus is to stay away from overlays as they just wear to quick. I was thinking of getting the TZ Playfied with the complete all-over overlay that is on ebay in the states. I was going to clearcoat it a number of times hoping that would seal it. Bad idea huh  ^&^
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: MartyJ on July 06, 2011, 05:26:23 PM
Stay away


I have been told that TZ main playfields are being done at the moment by Mirco
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: swinks on July 06, 2011, 07:11:44 PM
Interesting stuff, with that said you would have to be mad to purchase one of those KISS machines with an overlay :)
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: Retropin on July 06, 2011, 07:16:53 PM
Interesting stuff, with that said you would have to be mad to purchase one of those KISS machines with an overlay :)

Yes but when is an overlay a brand new PF??... only played for testing... YOU..... LUCKY OWNER will be the VERY FIRST!!!!!!!!


When you want to squeeze $9K out of it.


On a side note... in a shopping centre recently, they had a SIGNED KISS poster for sale... framed!!!
Price was $120

I reckon a laminated signed napkin would be worth.... what........$???
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 06, 2011, 07:44:05 PM
Quote
I have been told that TZ main playfields are being done at the moment by Mirco
- Contact details please  #*#
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: MartyJ on July 06, 2011, 07:57:01 PM
Shoot Mirco and email.  His English is quite good, so he should be able to confirm the 'rumour' I was given..

http://www.highclasspinballs.com/index.php?language=en

Best of luck
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 06, 2011, 08:01:33 PM
Email sent - I'll know soon.
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: pokermachine on July 06, 2011, 09:52:46 PM
Interesting stuff, with that said you would have to be mad to purchase one of those KISS machines with an overlay :)

Yes but when is an overlay a brand new PF??... only played for testing... YOU..... LUCKY OWNER will be the VERY FIRST!!!!!!!!


When you want to squeeze $9K out of it.


On a side note... in a shopping centre recently, they had a SIGNED KISS poster for sale... framed!!!
Price was $120

I reckon a laminated signed napkin would be worth.... what........$???

Sounds pretty cheap to me!!!
Have to be careful with all these shops selling signed posters and photos... what they do is get the photo hand signed by the artist then do a reprint of the signed photo so basically you are buying a just a copy of what they got signed..... so virtually worthless... looks good tho  ^^^

A napkin can't really be a reproduced print so may be legit.. or just someone copying their signature!
What sort of shop was it???? a collectable dealer???

At the end of the day i guess its worth what someone will pay for it, but on the flip side if you were to get a napkin signed by kiss how much would you sell it for.... bet your answer is more than $120

wait a minute.... napkin... this what you wipe your mouth with or some pinball terminology !@#
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: swinks on July 06, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
yep, a napkin that you wipe your mouth with, not a gloss print but a bumpy lumpy napkin.
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: pokermachine on July 07, 2011, 02:00:25 AM
ah good.... have heard of a apron in pinnys so wasn't too sure about the napkin @.@
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: pinsanity on July 07, 2011, 03:18:09 AM
TZ main playfields are being made by Mirco in Germany. The playfield file was being checked for errors with feedback by rgp members back in April.

The pricing structure will be dependent on which version of clearcoat you get: Standard or Ceramic.

Preliminary pricing at this stage appears to be between $722US and $765 for normal clearcoat and $50 more for the ceramic version (plus shipping).

For those interested in what is next in the way of playfields from Mirco, it should be TZ, then Scared Stiff, then another AFM rerun (no timeframes)  ^^^

Playfield art file can be seen below:
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll153/pinball1974/Random%20stuff/tz.jpg)

Playfield inserts were being fitted back in late March:
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: ktm450 on July 07, 2011, 04:22:45 PM
Cool, I  wonder if they will offer PFs with the third magnet hole and rebate on the underside
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: wonder on July 08, 2011, 08:52:01 AM
Cool, I  wonder if they will offer PFs with the third magnet hole and rebate on the underside

Yes he is, but i would email to make sure.Have ordered one with the third magnet hole myself.
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: swinks on July 08, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Highclasspinballs just finished TZ printing today and ready to ship in a few weeks. If he ships in multiple orders to a country he can get the freight costs down, I am getting a White Water off him.

Place you orders
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 08, 2011, 09:50:45 PM
I just got a reply back from Mirco - He hasn't finished pricing the TZ Playfields, but definately being shipping the first ones out soon. I'm definately getting one, as I have been after one for years. I know one of the options will be ceramic coated, has anyone got any recommendations whether ceramic or clear coating is best?

Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: wonder on July 09, 2011, 08:27:11 AM
I just got a reply back from Mirco - He hasn't finished pricing the TZ Playfields, but definately being shipping the first ones out soon. I'm definately getting one, as I have been after one for years. I know one of the options will be ceramic coated, has anyone got any recommendations whether ceramic or clear coating is best?



For the extra $50.00 ???? I would go ceramic,not that I could tell the differents, as when i look at my AFM playfield it looks the same but it sound cool. ^^^
Title: Re: Playfield Overlays
Post by: multiball3 on July 09, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
I've doing a bit of research and there is a lot of opinion on other forums that are against the ceramic coating. No science to those opinions just some feedback saying that it discolours the playfield and ball movement across the finish is different. Anyone with some facts and figures out there?  ^&^