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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Pavlov Pinball on March 19, 2016, 04:20:28 AM
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Hi all,
I've just been talking with your man Mike Kalinowski of Homepin about Thunderbirds Pinball. Quite a few interesting things came out of it...
http://pavlovpinball.com/is-john-popadiuk-really-working-on-thunderbirds-pinball/
Cheers,
Paul
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A) i would not have leed the story with Jpops possible involvement
B) pity Mike is talking to you and not his paid up customers
C) if he is not showing a prototype before September, does that mean the game is still 12 months away?
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Good stuff Paul ^^^
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That was a good read, nice to hear some kind of an update. Even though I'm not a TAG customer I'm interested in following its progress.
I like the sound of John P's possible involvement.
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Even though John has some talent in design and vision it sounds like he would have to be driven hard to deliver. Based on what Trudeau said Zombie Yeti sounds like the man with delivering designs the same day of request.
As for the article, good read but Mike really has to start delivering a pinball not already planning on multiple other pinballs.
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I hope it's not John. I wish Mike all the best with Thunderbirds and I wouldn't like to see Mike or the game tarnished by association with John.
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Who cares if Jpop is the designer?
Thunderbirds was designed over two years ago, way before Jpops name was trashed
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Who cares if Jpop is the designer?
Thunderbirds was designed over two years ago, way before Jpops name was trashed
You're right but when the guys reportedly knocked a million dollars off people. Some of those people will care regardless of whether it's right or wrong.
It's only speculation at this point that it is John anyway.
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"Whoever the designer is, Kalinowski says the playfield design is now about 90% complete."
It was certainly announced well over 2 years ago, but it sounds like it is still currently being designed and perhaps on the fly given the recently added illuminated backbox panels and now change in stance from standard orange DMD to colour LCD/LED.
PS: Pavlov - Cirqus Voltaire with a q, not a "c". ^^^
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I have heard this rumor and if true who would seriously buy one after all the shite Jpop has caused lately?
Jpop's reputation is tarnished beyond repair now, he is a crook.
No way in the world I would touch one let alone buy one if he was involved.
*%*
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Who cares if Jpop is the designer?
Thunderbirds was designed over two years ago, way before Jpops name was trashed
I care, the guy is a scumbag thief and he belongs in jail.
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Whenever the words are spoken, trouble follows. April fools joke, right?
So many questions Pete, I gave up asking as all I get is slammed. You should be better informed than you obviously are.
Wonder who's balls will be in the machine? %.% Oh god why did I say that @.@
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Whenever the words are spoken, trouble follows. April fools joke, right?
So many questions Pete, I gave up asking as all I get is slammed. You should be better informed than you obviously are.
Wonder who's balls will be in the machine? %.% Oh god why did I say that @.@
I just want to be optimistic
But my optimism is being tested today ;)
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What stage is the game at as I have not been following it? Design drawing, white wood, proto???
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What stage is the game at as I have not been following it? Design drawing, white wood, proto???
Who really knows, your guess is as good as any.
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What stage is the game at as I have not been following it? Design drawing, white wood, proto???
Article says playfield is 90% designed. Can't see how you can get to whitewood or proto stage yet if the playfield is still being modified/developed.
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Must have had some major delays if that's the case seeing 2015 has been and gone.
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It's only speculation at this point that it is John anyway.
He did sign up to an Australian pinball forum four days after the original TAG announcement. #@#
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3572
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I think the 90% complete is not correct when he hasn't even decided if it is a dmd, rgb or lcd display, imagine the programming & dots still required for the final decision - that will be 50% of the game design left to do.
Yes money would tighten things up but you would think that if that is your main focus you buy all the parts for at least one machine ($1-2k) and get your proto-type up and running quickly and then you can worry about designing all the molds etc to re-invent the world with your own parts to go into production.
I think there has been some poor project management focus as at least he should of had the game designer design a operating whitewood in a 3-6 months and then work on art and programming while other people are making arcades and bringing in the dollars. I am not an expert but 2-3 years and still nothing to show and haven't even decided the display yet is a big concern.
At the moment this is just like a kickstarter / indiegogo campaign where the money has been taken and no proof of a design yet nor nor any deadlines.
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Scarey
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I imagine that if jpop is designing the game, the already faitly well alienated US possible customers will be out with their pitchforks.
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I imagine that if jpop is designing the game, the already faitly well alienated US possible customers will be out with their pitchforks.
If his involvement finished before he'd dudded people out of all their money then thats not Mikes fault. If he's still on the payroll now then that's a whole different story. Either way it won't make any difference to the potential US customers, if John is/has been involved then you're on the money with the pitchforks Nick.
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Game is miles away from completion... drawings for the pop bumpers were being finalised in late January of this year.
Mike might have a unique way of doing things but you would imagine that essentials like pop bumpers would have been designed and finished pretty much at the start
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Game is miles away from completion... drawings for the pop bumpers were being finalised in late January of this year.
Mike might have a unique way of doing things but you would imagine that essentials like pop bumpers would have been designed and finished pretty much at the start
"Designed "? Aren't they just DE copies?
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Game is miles away from completion... drawings for the pop bumpers were being finalised in late January of this year.
Mike might have a unique way of doing things but you would imagine that essentials like pop bumpers would have been designed and finished pretty much at the start
"Designed "? Aren't they just DE copies?
mmm yes apart from a added logo and maybe 1-2 improvements each one of these could be CAD copied in a day, pinball life sells these which look dam similar
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I think the 90% complete is not correct when he hasn't even decided if it is a dmd, rgb or lcd display, imagine the programming & dots still required for the final decision - that will be 50% of the game design left to do.
Yes money would tighten things up but you would think that if that is your main focus you buy all the parts for at least one machine ($1-2k) and get your proto-type up and running quickly and then you can worry about designing all the molds etc to re-invent the world with your own parts to go into production.
I think there has been some poor project management focus as at least he should of had the game designer design a operating whitewood in a 3-6 months and then work on art and programming while other people are making arcades and bringing in the dollars. I am not an expert but 2-3 years and still nothing to show and haven't even decided the display yet is a big concern.
At the moment this is just like a kickstarter / indiegogo campaign where the money has been taken and no proof of a design yet nor nor any deadlines.
Sounds logical and cuts through the media spin with practical timeframes. ^^^
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PS: Pavlov - Cirqus Voltaire with a q, not a "c". ^^^
Cheers for that. Fixed now.
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I am curious for those still in on the game how they feel if Jpop is the designer given that in the USA he took over $1 million US dollars of peoples money to design and build Magic Girl, the Zombie theme, Alice in Wonderland as well as a full art foam layout Kiss pinball for his dying mate and then declared bankrupt with everyone losing their money and a major law suit in the process.
Would you really want that tag associated with your game?
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People still buy Woz, despite the Bumper debacle
IMHO Jersey Jack held some responsibility over that (he knew there was a problem months before it became public)
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People still buy Woz, despite the Bumper debacle
IMHO Jersey Jack held some responsibility over that (he knew there was a problem months before it became public)
Logically you are right - otherwise is everyone going to sell their World Cup Soccer, Theatre of Magic, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Star Wars Ep, I Pirates of the Caribbean & Cirqus Voltaire ?
But I think it will create a bit of a storm because of the recency of the $ fiasco and the apparent cross over in timing.
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I am curious for those still in on the game how they feel if Jpop is the designer given that in the USA he took over $1 million US dollars of peoples money to design and build Magic Girl, the Zombie theme, Alice in Wonderland as well as a full art foam layout Kiss pinball for his dying mate and then declared bankrupt with everyone losing their money and a major law suit in the process.
Would you really want that tag associated with your game?
I don't play any Jpop games anymore because of all this MG Raza business, he is a crook and he belongs in a jail. There is no way in the world I would ever play a Jpop game again let alone buy one.
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Would you really want that tag associated with your game?
I didn't even realise I used tag - double meaning %.%
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I am curious for those still in on the game how they feel if Jpop is the designer given that in the USA he took over $1 million US dollars of peoples money to design and build Magic Girl, the Zombie theme, Alice in Wonderland as well as a full art foam layout Kiss pinball for his dying mate and then declared bankrupt with everyone losing their money and a major law suit in the process.
Would you really want that tag associated with your game?
I don't play any Jpop games anymore because of all this MG Raza business, he is a crook and he belongs in a jail. There is no way in the world I would ever play a Jpop game again let alone buy one.
don't hold back now, tell us how you really feel ;)
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I am curious for those still in on the game how they feel if Jpop is the designer given that in the USA he took over $1 million US dollars of peoples money to design and build Magic Girl, the Zombie theme, Alice in Wonderland as well as a full art foam layout Kiss pinball for his dying mate and then declared bankrupt with everyone losing their money and a major law suit in the process.
Would you really want that tag associated with your game?
I don't play any Jpop games anymore because of all this MG Raza business, he is a crook and he belongs in a jail. There is no way in the world I would ever play a Jpop game again let alone buy one.
don't hold back now, tell us how you really feel ;)
I always will, life is too short to do otherwise.
^^^
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People still buy Woz, despite the Bumper debacle
IMHO Jersey Jack held some responsibility over that (he knew there was a problem months before it became public)
Except that JJ didn't leave customers in the lurch when it all went pear shaped down under. A compromise was reached whereby the deposit monies were consolidated into a a number of rescue edition units which were successfully delivered. None of which affected me by the way, since I ordered direct after refusing to transfer my deposit to the local distro when he couldn't provide details to my satisfaction of the "trust account" in which the monies were being held.
Compare that to the super duper balls which definitely don't work in games with magnets (and may have flaking issues) even after apparent extensive prerelease testing in a BSD. Not to mention the clandestine manner in which it was handled by quietly recalling them via distros with no public announcement from the manufacturer until called out on it on pinside.
Still waiting to hear about the results of the inhouse testing as to why they magnetise by the way.
Whilst we are making further comparisons, you bailed on WOZ before the first US units began shipping at the 2 year 2 month mark since you were apparently tired of the empty promises and delays, it is now 2 years and 8 months since TAG was announced and in summary to show for it we have a few bags of pop bumper parts and flipper coils, some artistic angles of cad drawings and a gif image of one side of a pinball backbox.
When do you call this one, PBP?
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When do you call this one, PBP?
people pushing me will probably make me stay in longer
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Just putting it into perspective for you, since you were the one who tried to draw comparisons with JJP in the thread.
Sometimes we lose that sense of perspective, based on blind faith and misguided loyalty.
No need to PM me either with cryptic terse responses. #@#
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Actually it was two years six months for Jack
It has been two years five months for Mike
IIt seems that two years six months is the lenghth of my patience
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http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=10908.0
June 28/29, 2013 first announcement so we are a week away from 2 years and 9 months.
JJP
January 11th, 2011
with first batch of completed US units being delivered in March 2013.
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Admittedly though my WOZLE didn't arrive until the following January since my order was in the back half of the preorder pack. ^^^
But in the meantime I had playfield art, cabinet art, playfield assemblies and not to mention visual proof of the assembly line and the machine in action to bide the time while I waited.
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Nah, I looked up my email
As you said, woz announced early January, I ordered four days later
I asked for my money back mid July 2013
I am fairly sure that my Thunderbirds invoice is for late October 2013
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IPDB has WOZLE Emerald City version with an April 2013 release date but like I said these were nearly exclusively US customers.
http://ipdb.org/search.pl?any=wizard+of+oz&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#5800
There was further delay in getting production ramped up to a decent output per day from that point.
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If it means so much, look up the WoZ thread, I did post when I pulled out
The first four games had shipped to Australia and were stopped by customs
The Bumper meltdown was about to happen
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Not doubting when you pulled out as I can't verify that via an external source anyway, just clarifying the production timing between the two manufacturers and the extent of the comparable progress with their product..
Peace out. ()
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Since you edited your post after I went to bed and I don't have the luxury like our resident number one Stern fan of sitting up all night I'll simply add that those early machines which Bumper got were prototypes with early proto code (Pinballheaven in the UK received some as well as their UK distro as per the video below with an upload date of March 29,2013) and as such are not fully representative of the final product.
After watching the gameplay below at the time I was sorely tempted to ditch my order but held on until the production units started making an appearance the following month in the US (from memory it was a half truck delivery but a delivery nonetheless) in conjunction with the fact that there was so much else about the machine to that point which JJP had released that that was sufficient to convince me to stick it out.
My question to you is, particularly given the established comparable timeframes now is where is the motivation and incentive for you to do the same with the current "manufacturer" if all you are getting to date is vague allusions to a mostly designed playfield (which you haven't seen), one side of a backbox in gif format and some bags of generic parts and manufacturer stamped coils?
By this point JJP had released video of actual working game models of the spinning house, the witch, the flying monkey mech, the tree pop bumpers et al not to mention the cabinet and playfield art. For a TAG machine that is supposed to be "toy heavy" and was going to go all out on that fact where are those pics and video to motivate and incentivise both new and existing buyers? Oh right its all hush hush non disclosure licensing issues, just like the designer.
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
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I could be wrong (I often am) but I think Bumper only ever received one prototype, and that was in late 2012
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The very first WOZ prototype at bumper went bang when it was plugged in I'm bloody spewing plugged in my IPhone and it synced back to my last backup and I lost the footage. Hahaha
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I am not going to comment to persuade anyone in or out on the game but given Mike's attitude to various forums and heavily edited his own thread in the AA , even now removing the "pinked out" mule cabinet photo and 5 days of random comments on AA it makes you wonder if he is sabotaging his own game. One guy on pinside suggested that he used the Jpop link in that article as a form of promotion, why would you use that to help your product.
!@# I am very confused !@#
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
Never said it wasn't but since there is precious little other info out there it passes the time while we play the waiting game and ultimate outcome (one way or the other).
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
Never said it wasn't but since there is precious little other info out there it passes the time while we play the waiting game and ultimate outcome (one way or the other).
Dont fret, Brett will come back
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
Never said it wasn't but since there is precious little other info out there it passes the time while we play the waiting game and ultimate outcome (one way or the other).
Dont fret, Brett will come back
Are you getting lonesome? :lol
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
Never said it wasn't but since there is precious little other info out there it passes the time while we play the waiting game and ultimate outcome (one way or the other).
Dont fret, Brett will come back
Are you getting lonesome? :lol
No, according to Cot, I post here just to impress you
Go figure
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Hmmmm
Not sure what you are trying to aaccomplish
If i go ahead and keep my Thunderbird spot
Or if i decide enough is enough
It will be on my criteria, not yours
Never said it wasn't but since there is precious little other info out there it passes the time while we play the waiting game and ultimate outcome (one way or the other).
Dont fret, Brett will come back
Are you getting lonesome? :lol
No, according to Cot, I post here just to impress you
Go figure
He also insulted you personally (without apparent penalty) when you made a post that didn't fit into his viewpoint. Which is something that both of us have easily avoided in the last eighteen posts.
Go figure.
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What I find interesting is that there is a couple of AP members who know if Jpop is involved or not
Yet they have kept quiet
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What I find interesting is that there is a couple of AP members who know if Jpop is involved or not
Yet they have kept quiet
If someone knows for sure they should come forward and spill the beans for the betterment of the hobby.
*%*
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Not really their call to make. If anyone knows who the designer is then that information would have been divulged in confidence and should remain so.
Maybe JPop is.. maybe he isn't. Its all speculation.
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By the time the speculation ends I doubt there will be too many people that give a rats about this game.
Too much shite associated with it now, it's yesterdays news.
:tumble:
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Not really their call to make. If anyone knows who the designer is then that information would have been divulged in confidence and should remain so.
Maybe JPop is.. maybe he isn't. Its all speculation.
+1
I have no inside information but if I was Mike and Jpop wasn't involved then I'd want to get that information out to my potential customers quick smart. Otherwise all you get is speculation and none of it's good.
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Not really their call to make. If anyone knows who the designer is then that information would have been divulged in confidence and should remain so.
Maybe JPop is.. maybe he isn't. Its all speculation.
+1
I have no inside information but if I was Mike and Jpop wasn't involved then I'd want to get that information out to my potential customers quick smart. Otherwise all you get is speculation and none of it's good.
Agreed but there is the old adage..."all publicity is good publicity"
Cant say I agree in this instance, but then its not my ball to kick around.
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Sheeeees guys, four pages based on a rumour that a so called professional journalist is Making just to make himself look good.
I thought you were better Paul, not facts, just bad journalism.
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Sheeeees guys, four pages based on a rumour that a so called professional journalist is Making just to make himself look good.
I thought you were better Paul, not facts, just bad journalism.
Rumour + Deduction??
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If Mike won't hand out facts , then speculation will run
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Personally I think the whole who the designer may or may not be was a deliberate bread and circuses diversion from the real issue of visible progress discussed earlier.
But it keeps the forum entertaining at least.
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I rarely comment on issues that I am not directly involved with but from the perspective of a potential purchaser, I have been disappointed by the lack of any credible updates over time and shocked at the attacks, especially on other forums, some people have suffered for daring to ask about progress or lack thereof, of this once anticipated machine. Maybe I am completely wrong but it seems to me that the business is about mass producing lowboy, tabletop cabinets and a few parts etc that permeate the Chinese market anyway?
It would be nice for some clarity to be brought to this issue of how things are going but looking at past responses, I don't anticipate hearing anything substantive anytime soon!
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I agree the lack of updates for people who have prepurchased (me included) is not ideal, and i would probably do it differently - however i bought in knowing that Mike has a unique way of doing things, and with the thought in the back of my mind that it might take longer than originally intended - particularly after seeing what happened with WoZ.
I met up with Mike a few weeks back when he was back home, i certainly got no secret info - i didn't ask who the designer was, and am pretty sure he would not have told me if i had. One thing is that he told us all well before the JPOP fiasco, that he had a 'well known' designer on board - so i think it is prob unfair to label Homepin with JPOP, particularly if the playfield design was partially done well before the fiasco. Guilt by association is a tricky thing, and agree everyone will have their stance on it. Mike did tell me about the financial issues associated with Karen's passing and estate, and how this delayed things, however i did not feel it was my part to divulge this information to the public via forums - it was told to me as a friend, hence no public airing from me.
Anyway, the designer is all purely speculation, however to answer the question previously posed about would those with money in it feel if JPOP is the designer - the fact that the major designer (if it is JPOP) was secured before the other antics, does not make TAG any different to me. That does not mean i have no empathy for those who suffered from JPOP, but i can't see how him designing the machine before his name turned to mud makes the machine any better or worse. Some of his other previously designed titles are pretty good. Again - all pure speculation at this stage.
Mike also told me he personally the other week he has very little involvement with the construction and factory running of the arcade side of things - another bloke is in charge of that. So the assumptions that he is focussing on the arcade side at the expense of Thunderbirds is incorrect.
I also agree that the parts like pop bumpers etc are pretty close to DE - however at the end of the day there is not too much of the design to change - and making them from scratch was necessary due to the cost of importing into China, maybe unless someone did something with magnets like GB slings?
One thing i reckon is that as Aussies, we should be supporting a local guy having a go. To me, this has to be one of the more epic undertakings in recent pinball history in Australia. There have been some pretty good achievements I am aware of that promote pinball and the aussie ingenuity and spirit down under such as old mate making the sunset riders machines, a guy in Newcastle making some custom machines shown at Pinfest, NPA putting on Pinfest over subsequent years, 3 guys putting on Pinball Expo in 2014, Jady starting designing his custom machine, Rod doing a ripper Pinheadz podcast. But to my knowledge, when (and i understand some people might think it is a big IF) it comes off I reckon its pretty awesome that one of our fellas it hooking in and giving it a go of something this scale. That said, i do understand that Mike has made some big statements (some unpopular), so that is his issue to deal with.
Anyway, all people are entitled to their opinion, but because i know Mike personally, and the fact that he is pretty pig headed, means i personally have complete confidence that he will deliver a solid product and was happy to drop money on it.
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Robm, my issue is more the time it is taking
It has been two and a half years
How much longer? Three months? Six months? A year?
It is great that you know him, but the rest of us dont
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Agree. Time has been too long for most people.
Someone (paul?) Just posted on pinside that him, dennis nordman and jpop are not involved in the design of Thunderbirds. Someone who knows designers far better than me might chip in who Paul is?
The only other one i wondered about was Mark Ritchie - would he be involved?
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That's Paul Reno and I read that as that he and Dennis Nordman (who are currently working together on their own project) are distancing themselves not only from TAG but also John Pop.
"I can 100% confirm neither Dennis or I are in anyway involved with this project, or John Popadiuk."
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Agree. Time has been too long for most people.
The only other one i wondered about was Mark Ritchie - would he be involved?
No *that* would be a very good thing! Love Mark's designs.
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I first thought it could have been Python, one last game
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I was hoping Brian Eddy!
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Why did HUMEPIN even bother doing the interview if he knew it would lead to this sort of speculation and bashing. !@#
Opportunity arouse for some good press and look what happened *.* he blew it again. C'mon Mike wake up will you?
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Why did HUMEPIN even bother doing the interview if he knew it would lead to this sort of speculation and bashing. !@#
Opportunity arouse for some good press and look what happened *.* he blew it again. C'mon Mike wake up will you?
he has, quite the response over at AA
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Why did HUMEPIN even bother doing the interview if he knew it would lead to this sort of speculation and bashing. !@#
Opportunity arouse for some good press and look what happened *.* he blew it again. C'mon Mike wake up will you?
he has, quite the response over at AA
Surprised the banana republicans over there even permitted discussion of it. They usually publicly pillory anyone who dares to question one of their own and then lock the thread as a warning message.
I can't read it, but is it genuine discussion (i.e. both sides being permitted to give their point of view) of the issue happening over there or just the usual sycophantic circle jerking when one of the purple circle discovers that Queensland is not the centre of the pinball universe?
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Not sure its a discussion at all... seems the focus is on the discussion here and 4 or 5 keyboard retards having a supposed attack at Mike. Apparently, the last paragraph of the article is being ignored which somehow "clarifies" the article.
Confused? ..LOL
An article with the title "Is John Popadiuk really working on Thunderbirds Pinball?" is going to promote discussion on what exactly?
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As I said a few pages ago, in the absence of facts, speculation will occur
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Its now the machine no one can openly discuss without being labeled as bashing a fellow Aussie...if you are on AA that is.
If open discussion isn't allowed, then declaring the intention to make a pinball machine is a big mistake as it will lead to a lot of heated debate on both sides of the fence. Those that have funds invested have every right under the sun to know whats going on and having a statement that says the PF is 90% complete in an article that is apparently nothing but supposition doesn't seem to allay fears for some reason.
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If it plays well, is built well and is priced well... ^^^
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Not sure its a discussion at all... seems the focus is on the discussion here. Apparently, the last paragraph of the article is being ignored which somehow "clarifies" the article.
Confused? ..LOL
LOL the plebs over there have been browbeaten into subservience for so long by the corrupt hierarchy and are too shitscared to address the real elephant in the room so they have to look to other forums.
Its now the machine no one can openly discuss without being labeled as bashing a fellow Aussie...if you are on AA that is.
If open discussion isn't allowed, then declaring the intention to make a pinball machine is a big mistake as it will lead to a lot of heated debate on both sides of the fence. Those that have funds invested have every right under the sun to know whats going on and having a statement that says the PF is 90% complete in an article that is apparently nothing but supposition doesn't seem to allay fears for some reason.
Using your own independent judgement and critical thinking skills to evaluate a situation. Now that's just Unastrayan. %$%
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Maybe it is Ward Pemberton? He designed my favourite game Gilligan's Island and Thunderbirds have is based on an Island.
This would be cool if he implemented the rotating Island toy.
Pure speculation and pure fun. %$%
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Alan Smithee sounds like the most likely contender at this rate.
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Since I am awake & have been up all night in the US of A having fun & had 10 minutes spare (some of us young 45 year olds don't go to bed at 7.30 pm like 80 year olds do Mr Pinsanity) I read this thread. And before I forget, I bought the Princess of AP a few extra matchbox & hotwheels Ferraris for his 70 plus collection. No need to thank me. It's all good.
The article I read, at the start of this article was just crap in my humble opinion.
It was designed to stick the knife in & the title of the thread was pretty misleading to say the least.
But at least, the two most stalker activating words regarding pinball in the last few months, Bugs Bunny, weren't mentioned. Lol. It's a joke Princess Ferrari, don't lose us lollie, it's just a joke since you missed me.
But I took your photo to the shooting range in Illinois, and I didn't miss you ! (Boom boom - another awesome joke - lol)
Look, shit happens in pinball.
Yeh the game is late. We all face challenges in our life.
I waited sixteen years for a B Job in my marriage & never got it so a few years waiting for a pinball seems like a walk in the park. (Another joke if my lovely x wife is reading) *)*
Personally, if the pin didn't eventuate, and Mike stuck to cocktail games & his contracts to supply big USA pinball manufacturers pinball parts, and did some refunds, I would declare the man a genius because the living in the pinball hobby eat their own & it's a pretty negative back stabbing keyboard commando shitfest year after year.
I will say that it seems that the intelligent majority in pinball enjoy carving up anyone who even dares to manufacture pinballs. Most people in this hobby are dark in hard to please.
So if JJP, Stern & others get their throats slit daily by the haters, I would say to Mike, why bother.
Cash in, do anything but build a pinball machine, because even if u finish it tomorrow, and it's the best thing since a matchbox Ferrari or sliced bread, 90 percent who aren't even buying one, will trash your efforts anyway.
The article was crap.
I really only posted because I know my princess on AP is missing me & I didn't want him to feel lonely. <..>
I will be back in the country soon & you can hide in the bushes outside my bedroom window again, so it's all good, you haven't missed much.
Good to see you guys talking about pinball & remember, nothing in pinball is perfect, or ever on time, so it's all normal.
Cow Corner was right, that J Pop shelf be locked up because he kept trading when he knew he couldn't deliver.
I am amazed he is still alive or hasn't been jailed.
Mike is a stand up guy. He would hate being late on this pinball, and I know he would do the right thing if anyone pulled out, so don't let anything worry you if you are in on this game.
Peace to all & have a fun & safe Easter please everyone.
Kind regards, COT. ^^^
P. s - I wonder how many more pages this thread can go on for based on that pretty crap article ?
Maybe we need to do a Ferrari pinball thread, because I know someone "special" who would be all over that like a 12 year old boy with a booby magazine....
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P. s - I wonder how many more pages this thread can go on for based on that pretty crap article ?
probably similar to the bugs bunny ramp thread %.%
Sorry Cavey but Mike didn't look after everyone in regards to the balls and his rant about that, which is then a potential large concern for a game. I hope he changes his ways and has a game plan to solve large issues down the track.
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I hear ya.
I hear ya.
Don't know much about the balls but that's what happens when you try to do something brand new, you stumble like a toddler walking. The pinball industry should have stuck to the balls they made for Viper Night Drivin made by Sega in 98/99. They don't rust, they still stick to magnets and coating them in different colours of rubber would be more appealing & easier on any play field than shitty rusty pinballs that have the clock ticking from day one cause wood, metal & metal don't make a good threesome.
I say fark the metal silver balls off and do glow ball style pinballs like my Viper Night Drivin has.
Lighter & faster & kind to everything they touch.
I quick wipe with some tisdues or a baby bum wipe & they are clean in 5 seconds.
Did the ball failure get fixed ?
I never heard what the problem was or what it supposedly did or didn't do ?
I know someone will educate me please on the ball failure or issues ?
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P. s - I wonder how many more pages this thread can go on for based on that pretty crap article ?
probably similar to the bugs bunny ramp thread %.%
Sorry Cavey but Mike didn't look after everyone in regards to the balls and his rant about that, which is then a potential large concern for a game. I hope he changes his ways and has a game plan to solve large issues down the track.
And with the deliberate digs at one member in an attempt to create a reaction?
Wasn't there a request by COT recently?
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I wonder if the spiteful comments from the select few will stop or will another 6 pages of shit be added in my absence.
I hope to be proven wrong but knives in the back from a few are a favourite past time.
Enjoy !
..And yet they've started again from the self proclaimed "victim"
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I hear ya.
I hear ya.
Don't know much about the balls but that's what happens when you try to do something brand new, you stumble like a toddler walking. The pinball industry should have stuck to the balls they made for Viper Night Drivin made by Sega in 98/99. They don't rust, they still stick to magnets and coating them in different colours of rubber would be more appealing & easier on any play field than shitty rusty pinballs that have the clock ticking from day one cause wood, metal & metal don't make a good threesome.
I say fark the metal silver balls off and do glow ball style pinballs like my Viper Night Drivin has.
Lighter & faster & kind to everything they touch.
I quick wipe with some tisdues or a baby bum wipe & they are clean in 5 seconds.
Did the ball failure get fixed ?
I never heard what the problem was or what it supposedly did or didn't do ?
I know someone will educate me please on the ball failure or issues ?
Basically that they stuck together due to get magnetised and one Aussie had them in a few games and they started to flake metal flakes throughout the game - with the risk or damaging the playfield.
apparently some places are still selling regardless of being retracted from being for sale and they are on AA and aware of the issues.
Homepin sent a message to dealers to not sell anymore but it was only shared on Aussie Arcade and no other forum as all hush hush - go figure. So now he only goes to AA and bailed on AP and pretty much Pinside because he hates the US - not the best marketing plan. So now he currently does not sell the balls, imagine the baby steps with a full pinball - he needs to hire someone to look after manufacturing issues and the public relations.
As for the glow balls there are new types of glow balls but not the cheapest and they chip.
I have enquired with a US company and they claim they can make ceramic covered pin balls and also add multiple colours but the minimum runs are too much at $15 a ball but they reckon they would last 10x longer than a regular steel ball and cause less scratch damage to a playfield.
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Gavin (Retropin) , those other threads were serious & the few squabbles were heated & things were said in a serious manner.
This was a piss take, said in jest with humour & we all like a joke etc etc.
I can take it & cop it back if it's in fun & it's not incl people's wives n kids etc etc.
From now on, it will only be in jest & a poor attempt at humour & nothing serious.
Me & my mate can hug & make up.
As long as it's a piss take, I don't mind copping it back.
It's only because I was mentioned at the start of the thread a few pages in a few times I added some humour to lighten things up.
It's not serious, those days are over.
Because remember, as Bugs Bunny used to say, " Pinball is meant to be fun ".
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You have a "unique" sense of humour.
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I'm confused.....is it all good fun til someone gets shot in the foot or is everything a personal attack these days?
Political correctness sucks!
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I hear ya.
I hear ya.
Don't know much about the balls but that's what happens when you try to do something brand new, you stumble like a toddler walking. The pinball industry should have stuck to the balls they made for Viper Night Drivin made by Sega in 98/99. They don't rust, they still stick to magnets and coating them in different colours of rubber would be more appealing & easier on any play field than shitty rusty pinballs that have the clock ticking from day one cause wood, metal & metal don't make a good threesome.
I say fark the metal silver balls off and do glow ball style pinballs like my Viper Night Drivin has.
Lighter & faster & kind to everything they touch.
I quick wipe with some tisdues or a baby bum wipe & they are clean in 5 seconds.
Did the ball failure get fixed ?
I never heard what the problem was or what it supposedly did or didn't do ?
I know someone will educate me please on the ball failure or issues ?
Basically that they stuck together due to get magnetised and one Aussie had them in a few games and they started to flake metal flakes throughout the game - with the risk or damaging the playfield.
apparently some places are still selling regardless of being retracted from being for sale and they are on AA and aware of the issues.
Homepin sent a message to dealers to not sell anymore but it was only shared on Aussie Arcade and no other forum as all hush hush - go figure. So now he only goes to AA and bailed on AP and pretty much Pinside because he hates the US - not the best marketing plan. So now he currently does not sell the balls, imagine the baby steps with a full pinball - he needs to hire someone to look after manufacturing issues and the public relations.
As for the glow balls there are new types of glow balls but not the cheapest and they chip.
I have enquired with a US company and they claim they can make ceramic covered pin balls and also add multiple colours but the minimum runs are too much at $15 a ball but they reckon they would last 10x longer than a regular steel ball and cause less scratch damage to a playfield.
The original rubber coated balls from Sega days have not been copied successfully because my two sets of original balls do not break down or chip etc etc and they are bulletproof.
$15 a ball is too expensive of course but to be honest, if it costs $60 to mod a game with balls that glow in the dark properly like my Viper Balls and they are just as awesome, a few machines here & there at $60 for the balls required total would be OK for a few machines only until someone can copy successfully what Sega did some 17 years ago.
It cost be $800 to buy a original set of four glow in the dark pinballs on a ebay auction 4 plus years ago because 20 people from many countries were bidding & the guy selling was the original designer of the game & he had 1 x set only in his office desk & he knew no one on the planet had any.
The real Viper car club on the USA had a Viper Night Drivin pinball machine at their car worship clubhouse & the machine did not have the glow balls in it.
All the members of the club chipped in & were bidding against me so the prices went high but I knew many people had offered the original designer $500 plus dollars for the balls privately & he said NO, it will sell higher on a E Bay auction & he was correct.
There were 20 plus bidders from several countries so it was expected.
I was rich at the time & wanted the set badly so I happily paid.
He wouldn't send them overseas & only to a USA address so I had him send them to a trusted pinball designer at Stern, then that designer happily sent them on to me out here cause he was on the original design team of Viper & he put me onto the seller who he designed with.
I got the balls & am still happy to have a NOS set of glow balls spare.
I have tested them in many pinballs & they are just excellent.
So when I think about the new ones which I have tried, and they didn't glow for me, or weigh the same as the original balls, I now know the original sets from 99 are better.
But someone should do something about the balls cause steel balls are just a play field killer.
Maybe Mike will release new ones to fix the issue. Time will tell.
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You have a "unique" sense of humour.
The whole post from beginning to end sounds more like self serving delusion than anything else in order to overcompensate for getting schooled about the exact origins of the repro ramps.
No doubt he has been sitting up there alone in Beenleigh stewing over it for the last week and trying to formulate a cogent rebuttal.
Yet another public fail. %.%
I'm confused.....is it all good fun til someone gets shot in the foot or is everything a personal attack these days?
Political correctness sucks!
Haven't got time to hang around for the Administrative outcome since I am packing my REAL camper trailer right now (no fire engine red paint job or matching red rims required which would be absurd in an offroad environment anyway) for a trip away for the Easter break, but given the lack of action previously I'm not holding my breath.
Cheers and have a good Easter break lads. ^^^
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You have a "unique" sense of humour.
I think so Gav.
I think we all do.
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You have a "unique" sense of humour.
The whole post from beginning to end sounds more like self serving delusion than anything else in order to overcompensate for getting schooled about the exact origins of the repro ramps.
No doubt he has been sitting up there alone in Beenleigh stewing over it for the last week and trying to formulate a cogent rebuttal.
Yet another public fail. %.%
I'm confused.....is it all good fun til someone gets shot in the foot or is everything a personal attack these days?
Political correctness sucks!
Haven't got time to hang around for the Administrative outcome since I am packing my REAL camper trailer right now (no fire engine red paint job or matching red rims required which would be absurd in an offroad environment anyway) for a trip away for the Easter break, but given the lack of action previously I'm not holding my breath.
Cheers and have a good Easter lads. ^^^
Ohhh, you got all serious on me darling.
Have you been reading my FBook page again & looking for my address & have you been asking my X what colour cars I have or haven't got.
And who said you take a very unhealthy interest in my personal life !
I haven't stewed on anything sweetie, I have been having fun travelling.
Your travelling now too ! Isn't that nice.
And did you buy your camper trailer from the same place I posted on MY Facebook page, and the colour of the rims etc etc, when you were having that very healthy study of my FBook pages again.
You really like following me around the entire internet don't you !
And who said you weren't a normal balanced person !
I just can't imagine who ? #*#
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I am travelling down to the bottle shop after lunch to grab a carton of Coopers Pale Ale.
#*#
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facebook is for delusional retards who are trying to overcompensate for their real life failures by presenting a sanitised and exaggerated version of their ideal life to their "friends".
No there is more than enough "gold" on AP to mine via self serving posts that never actually materialise.... *%*
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=14197.0
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Just read a little of the link and for the life of me I could hear the voice of Mrs Bucket ringing through every word. Sorry for my weird sense of humour but does anyone else get this sensation? ^&^
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Just read a little of the link and for the life of me I could hear the voice of Mrs Bucket ringing through every word. Sorry for my weird sense of humour but does anyone else get this sensation? ^&^
I think it's just you mate.
Being close to Pinsanity & kissing his ass causes your reaction I am thinking.
But I could be wrong.
I will log back in apx ten years from now & wonder why I ever bothered with the forum.
Being rid of the stalker will make leaving worth every peaceful moment.
I guess you guys will get to monitor just how long he stays fixated on another members personal life.
I just hope that the stalker doesn't contact your family like a sick person would only do !
I will just stay reading pinside cause Stalking another member and contacting other people's families on that site isn't tolerated. Perhaps I missed the reason why 90 percent of the forum has left this site so long ago.
99 percent of the members have gone.
That's probably why 99 percent of the people I have stayed in contact with don't log in here or post anymore.
You are welcome to the stalker. Just let your families know Pinsanity the creep is watching their every internet move.
enjoy !
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Just read a little of the link and for the life of me I could hear the voice of Mrs Bucket ringing through every word. Sorry for my weird sense of humour but does anyone else get this sensation? ^&^
I think it's just you mate.
Being close to Pinsanity & kissing his ass causes your reaction I am thinking.
But I could be wrong.
I will log back in apx ten years from now & wonder why I ever bothered with the forum.
Being rid of the stalker will make leaving worth every peaceful moment.
I guess you guys will get to monitor just how long he stays fixated on another members personal life.
I just hope that the stalker doesn't contact your family like a sick person would only do !
I will just stay reading pinside cause Stalking another member and contacting other people's families on that site isn't tolerated. Perhaps I missed the reason why 90 percent of the forum has left this site so long ago.
99 percent of the members have gone.
That's probably why 99 percent of the people I have stayed in contact with don't log in here or post anymore.
You are welcome to the stalker. Just let your families know Pinsanity the creep is watching their every internet move.
enjoy !
sorry mate but I didn't read all this, but I have no idea who pinsanity is, what he does, where he lives and what he likes. I am sure there are many things I disagree with what he says or does as with you. And I appreciate others will think that of me. I commented purely because it was peaceful for a few days and then BAMMM come Good Friday war hits. WTF Please explain why you did what you did. I didn't take it as a joke.
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Btw I started today feeling fine and dandy and now my blood is boiling mods. I spoke to you guys and nothing. I will go as mental as this guy if pushed on this forum if things don't get better.
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Just read a little of the link and for the life of me I could hear the voice of Mrs Bucket ringing through every word. Sorry for my weird sense of humour but does anyone else get this sensation? ^&^
snip..
I will just stay reading pinside cause Stalking another member and contacting other people's families on that site isn't tolerated. Perhaps I missed the reason why 90 percent of the forum has left this site so long ago.
99 percent of the members have gone.
That's probably why 99 percent of the people I have stayed in contact with don't log in here or post anymore.
As a moderator of this forum, I find this alarming. Please PM Nick and / or myself the members that you are referring to.
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I think it's just you mate.
Being close to Pinsanity & kissing his ass causes your reaction I am thinking.
But I could be wrong.
I will log back in apx ten years from now & wonder why I ever bothered with the forum.
Being rid of the stalker will make leaving worth every peaceful moment.
If you don't like what he post then put him on ignore
Oh that's right, you don't take advice, even if every member of the forum gives you the same advice
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But I took your photo to the shooting range in Illinois, and I didn't miss you ! (Boom boom - another awesome joke - lol)
You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
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I'll put it out there to the masses, but I did lodge a complaint with mods a week or two ago just because I could see others including myself getting frustrated as good threads keep heading the same way. I don't ignore the guys who fight as they sometimes make good, valid points or start great threads, so by ignoring, I can miss a good read.
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I'll put it out there to the masses, but I did lodge a complaint with mods a week or two ago just because I could see others including myself getting frustrated as good threads keep heading the same way. I don't ignore the guys who fight as they sometimes make good, valid points or start great threads, so by ignoring, I can miss a good read.
totally agree, it's good friday lets have one and have some good chats and things were going nicely for a little while
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But I took your photo to the shooting range in Illinois, and I didn't miss you ! (Boom boom - another awesome joke - lol)
You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
+1 couldn't agree more. Just saying its a joke does not make it a joke. Completely unacceptable.
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You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
+1 couldn't agree more. Just saying its a joke does not make it a joke. Completely unacceptable.
Cheers guys, but best to laugh it off and just take it as another insecure built up rant from being royally owned yet again.
Considering how much the guy has screwed up his life and lives in an online fantasy world to compensate for it, it might be possible to actually feel some sympathy for him.
PS: An IP address lookup would be easy enough for Admin to verify a genuine US based posting (or hidden behind a false proxy) since every post on AP has its IP logged.
Just saying. #@#
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You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
+1 couldn't agree more. Just saying its a joke does not make it a joke. Completely unacceptable.
Cheers guys, but best to laugh it off and just take it as another insecure built up rant from being royally owned yet again.
No, it is not alright, there is a line, and that comment was over it
this is not to support you, i think you go over the top
but that comment was not OK
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You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
+1 couldn't agree more. Just saying its a joke does not make it a joke. Completely unacceptable.
Cheers guys, but best to laugh it off and just take it as another insecure built up rant from being royally owned yet again.
No, it is not alright, there is a line, and that comment was over it
this is not to support you, i think you go over the top
but that comment was not OK
Well raise a formal complaint as a breach of forum rules as is your right and see where it gets you.
Been there, done that previously so not worrying personally.
Plus based on his long track record of delusional claims I am not going to lose any sleep over an empty threat. On the extremely remote chance the nut decides to attempt a Jean Eric Gassy in real life I can assure you I have been prepared in advance for that situation potentially occurring for quite some time simply based on his posting history alone.
Besides which, what would the AFP handling the supposed stalking investigation against me think of these threatening statements being directed at me? @@*
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Well raise a formal complaint as a breach of forum rules as is your right and see where it gets you.
I would not bother the Mods with petty forum stuff at the moment
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Well raise a formal complaint as a breach of forum rules as is your right and see where it gets you.
I would not bother the Mods with petty forum stuff at the moment
Then why raise the issue in the first place?
You should be banned for that comment
I would take that as a threat to another member
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Swinks post "I have enquired with a US company and they claim they can make ceramic covered pin balls and also add multiple colours but the minimum runs are too much at $15 a ball but they reckon they would last 10x longer than a regular steel ball and cause less scratch damage to a playfield.
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I like your thinking. If pinball machines are worth so much . Its a small price to put in some decent balls.
Personally i have put ceramic balls in a couple of my old gottliebs. I love the way the look. Seem less prone to scratching and wear.
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I like your thinking. If pinball machines are worth so much . Its a small price to put in some decent balls.
Personally i have put ceramic balls in a couple of my old gottliebs. I love the way the look. Seem less prone to scratching and wear.
Do they attract dirt any faster and how do the ball physics compare to a regular ball? I know the TZ ceramic powerball handles very differently.
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The ceramic balls i use are the TZ type.
They are slightly less in weight compared to metal balls, so ball physics is a little different.
They stay clean . I only have white rubbers on my gottliebs. Not sure if black rubbers would leave marks ??
But the ones SWINKS was posting about have got me interested. The weight would be closer to a normal metal ball. But still with metal ball attributes. ie magnetics and weight.
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Isn't Denis Norman an option as the Thunderbirds designer? Perhaps JPop is implied to throw us off the sent. *!@
Up until recently, JPop was busy with his own stuff. What has Denis been doing apart from a short burst on WNBJM?
(Perhaps time to spawn a new thread on ceramic balls: I'd imagine the less scratching is due to the ball not rusting. If steel balls are cleaned and changed regularly, I'd imagine there would not be much difference is playfield wear. With ceramic balls lasting 10x longer, does that mean it takes 10x longer to start chipping compared to the time for a steel ball starting to rust? I would have thought its hard to see chips on a ceramic ball, and chips would rip up a play field faster than rust on a steel ball.)
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good points and that is the $1 million dollar question as around 3 years ago I enquired with a number of bearing companies had a brain wave to create the ultimate pin ball - a steel ball that is ceramic coated.
A few companies could do it with only one in the expensive range but at a 1000 ball minimum purchase the crunch that ceased the project.
They claimed and have read mechanical reports that bearings with this coating in a machine environment runs really well maintaining a much better surface. It still weighs the same, guessing it will glide a little better but last longer and hoped that less chance to wear the playfield. The added bonus was the introduction of various colours which could be fun.
People get funny about things and deem a ball over $3-5 as not needed but the potential longer lasting capabilities, less damage and colour could be a relatively cool and affordable upgrade but the investment was too much and even samples was crazy so canned it. I will have to try and find those emails though but had a drive die between then and now so might not have the history any more.
ps maybe a thread on "pin ball design" could be started
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those on the pre-order list might want to check their e-mails
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those on the pre-order list might want to check their e-mails
You guys have solid info on the design team and a release date?
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those on the pre-order list might want to check their e-mails
You guys have solid info on the design team and a release date?
nup
I am not going to post the details of the e-mail, except what was posted in the pavlov article
it seem that we will not see anything until september
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September for release? Well a date is better than nothing I guess.!
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Hi guys...for anyone interested, I just posted a half hour chat with Mike from the HOMEPIN factory in China.
It's our feature interview in Pinheadz PODcast 19. We respected that he wouldn't be revealing the Thunderbirds designer, but pressed in other areas & got some straight answers...as we'd expect from Mike. Big THANKS to him for the time!
Hope you can check it out.
cheers Rod
http://www.pinheadz.com.au/podcast/pinheadz-19-pinball-building-dont-try-this-at-home/ (http://www.pinheadz.com.au/podcast/pinheadz-19-pinball-building-dont-try-this-at-home/)
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Awesome stuff Rod, thanks for the heads up. Love the Podcasts you guys put together.
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September for release? Well a date is better than nothing I guess.!
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nope, he is hoping that he can show something at a pinball show in September
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Awesome stuff Rod, thanks for the heads up. Love the Podcasts you guys put together.
Thanks Crashramp! Much appreciated mate. ^^^
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Thanks Rod for posting this :) Mikes had a rough trot lately and I wish him all the best.
Peter.
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Thanks Rod for posting this :) Mikes had a rough trot lately and I wish him all the best.
Peter.
My sentiments as well Peter.
Cheers Rod
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yes guys great interview with Mike...good to hear Thunderbirds are still GO...
hoping Mike can make it to pinfest with some goodies
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Was this PODcast interview conducted before or after the Pavlov article?
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Great podcast Rod, confirms what a straight shooter Mike is. Awesome interview handled professionally by both sides ^^^
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Was this PODcast interview conducted before or after the Pavlov article?
scripted to a degree too! is my guess. Still not much definite apart from luminescant printing stuff?
Yes I am still sceptical and I hope HOMEPIN proves me wrong.
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Was this PODcast interview conducted before or after the Pavlov article?
Taped 2 weeks ago Pinsanity...so I'm guessing it may have been the day before, but I don't know for sure.
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Great podcast Rod, confirms what a straight shooter Mike is. Awesome interview handled professionally by both sides ^^^
Thanks Dealers Choice, really appreciate you taking a listen. Cheers.
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Was this PODcast interview conducted before or after the Pavlov article?
******ed to a degree too! is my guess. Still not much definite apart from luminescant printing stuff?
Yes I am still sceptical and I hope HOMEPIN proves me wrong.
Thanks for listening Oldschool1969...scripted to the degree that I'd prepared some questions, but completely off the cuff from the boys. The great thing about Gaz & Stevie is that they're hardcore Pinheadz, not professional broadcasters. Nothing scripted about these guys. ;)
Cheers Rod
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yes guys great interview with Mike...good to hear Thunderbirds are still GO...
hoping Mike can make it to pinfest with some goodies
Thanks Big Dog...fingers, toes & everything else crossed for Pinfest!!!
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Was this PODcast interview conducted before or after the Pavlov article?
******ed to a degree too! is my guess. Still not much definite apart from luminescant printing stuff?
Yes I am still sceptical and I hope HOMEPIN proves me wrong.
The only definite I got from listening is that I'm glad I never put money down.
Apart from that, the overwhelming message I got is that it was "someone else's fault" no matter what the subject matter (Chinese Govt internet censorship, importation quarantine laws and standards of China, the poor bugger Sid who also got tarred with the magnetised ball fallout, Chinese copyright laws and business practices, Mom and Pop manufacturers with bad QC and slow production, the decibel level of an unrelated arcade expo, lawyers who don't forward estate documentation in a timely manner, suppliers who allegedly collude with other customers not to supply new startups) and the list goes on.
This is not "straight shooting", this is blame shifting to avoid taking ownership of the mistakes you have made along the way and should have anticipated given "10 plus years of doing business in China". For one example, wood standards and certification for imports/exports are not some unique requirement as every country in the world has basic fumigation/certification requirements like this (even China).
The mark of a true business owner is that if you choose to operate a business in a foreign country then you must work within the framework of that countries laws, you don't turn around and whine about said laws when it doesn't suit you, or admit to intentionally breaching their laws by deliberately smuggling in product (via your employee no less) from across the border.
I do hope that the early adopter depositors do get to see "something" in September (whatever something is defined as - a fully working machine? an empty cabinet shell with artwork? a translite? who knows?) since it looks highly likely based on the stammering response that you won't have a machine delivered to your doorstep in 2016.
I will add that I am so glad that one of the few things we actually confirmed (yet again) is that the machine whenever it is eventually released will not be PC based. My fully working never skipped a beat WOZLE just shed a tear. ;)
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Hey Rob did you get the wiring harness from AMD? Or was Gary making it up lol
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it was a good interview, and for those that have already got money down I hope you get your game soon but I still fear that September won't be it, as if he is still deciding on a screen and then the related translite changes, programming etc. I also wonder when he mentions multiple other pinball games, great to have some others up for consideration but if budget is a issue that budget should be spent on getting the current one finished not deviating to other ones.
Look forward to a release.
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Hey Rob did you get the wiring harness from AMD? Or was Gary making it up lol
HAHA...yeah, I did. AMD sent it straight across last week. Already installed. You can hear the amazement in my voice that WWE is still getting some love in at STERN. ;)
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Boy oh boy, some here are so negative and down on me for reasons that completely escape me????? Tall poppy syndrome? I have no idea?
Swinks, it would be very shortsighted of Homepin to ONLY work and focus on a SINGLE project - I made it clear in the Pinheadz Podcast interview that we have done some "preliminary work" on our second title and I also explained why - did that explanation not make sense to you? It would be foolish to start building Thunderbirds and ONLY THEN start work on a second machine. This would add a very long time to the release of the second title as other startups have discovered.
We also have dedicated staff working on other arcade projects but I certainly won't bother to tell people about them as there will be those determined to "bring me down" for their own reasons.
I am not and have not "shifted" any blame for my situation to anyone else at all and, for the record, Sid WAS 100% responsible for the ball issue. Ask him yourself. This was (and still is) my strategy for "not doing everything myself". The balls were recalled promptly and in the correct, professional manner, via Homepin agents. I did not take out front page ads in newspapers because it really is not that much of an issue. SOME games magnetised the balls quickly NOT all and there are still many people happily using these balls today. There was (and still is to date) only ONE person who complained the balls were "flaking" - not one other person has EVER complained of this issue so I have to conclude it was something other than the ball flaking in their case. In the end, that buyer returned half of the balls purchased and I refunded in full including express post so that is the end of that matter with that buyer as far as I am concerned.
I have one report back from ball testing and I have considered its findings. We have a new (different) batch in Australia being tested currently. It is all a learning curve.
If anyone else has issues with the balls I imagine they would do what any other normal person with a retail purchase they are unhappy with would do - return it to the place of purchase to discuss the matter and ask for a refund should they want one. I fail to see what the issue is here, just people blowing things out of proportion for the sake of stirring trouble as far as I can see? Refunds have always been offered should people want them.
As far as "complying with the laws of the country in China" naturally I am doing everything by the book here as far as possible. I use those words carefully as there is no such thing in China as doing things 100% by the books - even large companies have to do many things that we in the west would find either unusual or certainly not normal business ethics or practices. That is a fact and the reality on the ground doing business in China. Those suggesting otherwise do not have a full idea of what happens here even if they may deal with China. Being on the ground, in my own factory I experience it daily, from the local policeman who arrives out of the blue to "sell me a security system" that I don't want or need but guess what - I will get burgled next week if I don't "buy his protection" - to the clerk behind the counter at the business registration office who demands 100rmb to "make sure the paperwork is done promptly".
This is REALITY, and FACT and just how business is done in China - like it or NOT! It is not made up fairy tales by a politically correct keyboard warrior on this site primarily to cause me trouble.
Also, for the record, I have not amended or deleted ANY posts either on AP or AA and the moderators haven't either. If you can't find a post or picture then it is probably down to the crappy search facilities NOT because of any perceived censorship. That is a nonsense statement.
To close I think it is pretty easy to see why I don't post here much - I really don't need the aggressive niggling and negativity by a few on here especially, and for no good reason that I can determine?
I have been open, honest and transparent about the actual reasons for project holdups and to those that refuse to see that I really hope you never have to deal with the issues I have had to in the past year. It has been devastating to me personally and also financially. Things can only improve from here.
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TBAG 2017?
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To close I think it is pretty easy to see why I don't post here much - I really don't need the aggressive niggling and negativity by a few on here especially, and for no good reason that I can determine?
I think that is also why a lot of others have given up posting on AP.
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Also, for the record, I have not amended or deleted ANY posts either on AP or AA and the moderators haven't either. If you can't find a post or picture then it is probably down to the crappy search facilities NOT because of any perceived censorship. That is a nonsense statement.
your record is broken then mate!
You can BUY your way into AA, not on here or Pinside.
Goodbye.
I have finally had enough of your garbage and have officially now got you on ignore ( yep you even beat Cavey to that one ) and I refuse to listen to anymore of your dribble.
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Boy oh boy, some here are so negative and down on me for reasons that completely escape me????? Tall poppy syndrome? I have no idea?
Mike you are very abrupt, rude and shoot from the hip fast at times, I don't think it is tall poppy syndrome more that you are idolised over at AA and therefore protected and people are not game to ask a question as they will be fired upon from everyone and it was like that here up to recently - way it is but maybe here and pinside people feel they can be honest and ask the questions that everyone really wants to know the answer to.
Swinks, it would be very shortsighted of Homepin to ONLY work and focus on a SINGLE project - I made it clear in the Pinheadz Podcast interview that we have done some "preliminary work" on our second title and I also explained why - did that explanation not make sense to you? It would be foolish to start building Thunderbirds and ONLY THEN start work on a second machine. This would add a very long time to the release of the second title as other startups have discovered.
I heard it and understood but I thought it was a contradiction that money is tight and you are restricting projects yet you are working on another pinball game when you don't have the first done (- does that make sense) but that is your choice and I wish you luck otherwise I do agree with you when things are rolling along smoothly that is the perfect business approach to be working on the next project or 2 while the previous one is in production.
As for the ball issue, I think that is sad that you blame Sid 100%, it's your business and you promoted the products so some of the ownership sits with you.
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Gee whiz Mike, the way people are acting, did you steal their cornflakes?
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Boy oh boy, some here are so negative and down on me for reasons that completely escape me????? Tall poppy syndrome? I have no idea?
Mike you are very abrupt, rude and shoot from the hip fast at times, I don't think it is tall poppy syndrome more that you are idolised over at AA and therefore protected and people are not game to ask a question as they will be fired upon from everyone and it was like that here up to recently - way it is but maybe here and pinside people feel they can be honest and ask the questions that everyone really wants to know the answer to.
Swinks, it would be very shortsighted of Homepin to ONLY work and focus on a SINGLE project - I made it clear in the Pinheadz Podcast interview that we have done some "preliminary work" on our second title and I also explained why - did that explanation not make sense to you? It would be foolish to start building Thunderbirds and ONLY THEN start work on a second machine. This would add a very long time to the release of the second title as other startups have discovered.
I heard it and understood but I thought it was a contradiction that money is tight and you are restricting projects yet you are working on another pinball game when you don't have the first done (- does that make sense) but that is your choice and I wish you luck otherwise I do agree with you when things are rolling along smoothly that is the perfect business approach to be working on the next project or 2 while the previous one is in production.
As for the ball issue, I think that is sad that you blame Sid 100%, it's your business and you promoted the products so some of the ownership sits with you.
I am far from protected on AA as some might think. If people feel they shouldn't make a mischievous comment that's a good thing in my view and it should apply to ALL online sites. It might stop some of the absolute crap that goes on.
The "work" we are doing on a second machine involves labour BUT no money. I just don't understand why that is so hard to grasp? Money is needed to pay for moulds and parts - one persons labour for a month is a few hundred dollars. Moulds, dies and parts cost tens of thousands and that is money I don't currently have.
Naturally I ultimately "take the blame" for what happens in the business but the reality is I had ZERO to do with the purchase, testing or packing of the balls - NO INPUT AT ALL. So yes, it is 100% Sid's doing and that is simply what I was answering in response to the ridiculous and hysterical claims being ranted and raved on about. Sid knows and is busy fixing the issues and again, I HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT in the new balls but you can be certain Sid is now acutely aware of all issues surrounding them. Crapping on about the finer points of who, what, why, where doesn't help neither does the speculation and guesswork by those who have NO INTEREST other than to create trouble for me.
You may like to step back should you make a mistake in your work and "blame the boss" but it doesn't work that way here.
Same as those speculating on who is designing our machines, when will they be released, what colour will the packing box be? Give it a rest. You cannot comprehend how busy we all are here, in particular me and I really don't have time for the childish carry on that some like to get involved in.
In any case, generally I'm wasting my time commenting because no matter what I say there will be those that choose to pick at me for reasons only they understand and I most certainly don't intend "justifying" anything that I do or explaining in any great detail why.
Some of the comments certainly make me chuckle however as it is a direct window to the intelligence level of the poster in most instances.
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Gee whiz Mike, the way people are acting, did you steal their cornflakes?
You would think so wouldn't you - the ones I have ZERO time for are the speculators that don't have a cane toad in the race.........they have no reason at all to comment one way or another and would be better served delivering meals on wheels.
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Yeah you have to have money down on a game to have a opinion or to be able to comment on it.
:lol
What a load of BS!
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Well this just plain sucks!
this is not from Aussie Pinball site
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Yeah you have to have money down on a game to have a opinion or to be able to comment on it.
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What a load of BS!
You can make any comment or have any opinion you like - it is the personal attacks I am fed up with. Many have no idea just what I am doing on a daily basis yet feel they are experts on "everything" - they clearly are not.
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Cool, I will continue on as usual then. I'm not a expert in anything and never claimed to be one. Carry on!
Stoked for this possible reveal in Sept.
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You would think so wouldn't you - the ones I have ZERO time for are the speculators that don't have a cane toad in the race.........they have no reason at all to comment one way or another and would be better served delivering meals on wheels.
Apart from the arselicking defenders you constantly surround yourself with who have no pecuniary interest either, right? (aka the wiredoug syndrome) You just can't get enough of their servile grovelling.
Typical glassjaw behaviour from someone who has been accustomed to surrounding themselves with sycophants for validation.
When are you going to realise Homepin, you are your own worst enemy in terms of media/marketing management. The people who actually have the funds to purchase a machine off you will simply refuse based on your attitude and general principle.
Yes, we know as you have said before you don't care if you lose money on this venture, that's why you have sunk (allegedly) $2 million into it on a whim.
PS: It isn't a pinball factory until the first commercial unit is delivered to a paid up customer. You can write as many secret squirrel future titles as you like on your whiteboard but until that occurs, it is hubris to claim otherwise.
PPS: Whilst you are in the chatty mood after your three month absence on AP, how about we talk about the Mission Impossible movies, 3D printers and crowdfunding? Or maybe you want to cover that in your next puff piece PODcast with Rod and the boys?
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how about we talk about the Mission Impossible movies, 3D printers and crowdfunding?
I can answer that very easily but it won't make much difference to your attitude or opinion towards the TRUTH I'm sure.
3D printers and a company known as "Rapide 3D" run and owned 100% by Ethan Hunt (yes, that is his birth name, I have seen his Australian passport and have traveled through customs checkpoints several times so you can give up on that pathetic attack on him) was a company that I initially joined forces with to share premises in China.
We rented an office in the centre of the electronics area of Shenzhen and jointly shared several staff. This was basically when I was trading and exporting.
Ethan ran a few successful crowdfunding campaigns for his range of 3D printers but sadly only ever delivered about 200 units to the best of my knowledge. His factory was originally in the same complex (but in a different building altogether) as the Homepin factory but he has since moved out and I haven't seen him or spoken to him for quite some time.
I do have more knowledge of why his venture failed but that isn't of much interest to people here I think.
I have never had any monetary interest or connection to Ethans business dealings or adventures other than sharing rented premises and staff.
That won't satisfy you I'm sure but then, I doubt anything would.
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Ethan ran a few successful crowdfunding campaigns for his range of 3D printers but sadly only ever delivered about 200 units to the best of my knowledge.
I guess we have a very different definition of "successful" which clearly depends on whether you are the recipient or the donor of said funds.
I have never had any monetary interest or connection to Ethans business dealings or adventures other than sharing rented premises and staff.
OK.
http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/ethan-hunt-michael-kalinowski/designs/201114213/
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saw this on Pinside and curious from those experienced in playfield restorations etc - what is the industry used standard for a clearcoat on a playfield - 2 Pack or water based. Would a water based clear be tough enough and last the same time frame, what are playfields from Stern & JJP ? Also happy to be corrected if this is just for everything except playfield sealing.
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Ive tried water based enamels and the end result was very disappointing. So much so, I rubbed it back and went with conventional enamel
Ive used water based polyurethane and again, it was disappointing.
I don't touch water based anything due to poor performance and finish.
If this is true that oil based and solvent based paints are no longer allowed to be used in China, it doesn't look good for the car industry!
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thanks for the input and thought that was the case ^^^
years ago when I was building the cnc machines we sealed everything in 2 pack as much more robust but on the side he restored a Lambo Countach and went a different route and painted in water based white but with the one thing in mind to blend in repairs if needed down the track but he said the finish would not last as along a standard car.
That will be interesting with the Chinese car industry though - good point?
Wonder what the time frame of playfields last ability will be if water based clear sealed
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thanks for the input and thought that was the case ^^^
years ago when I was building the cnc machines we sealed everything in 2 pack as much more robust but on the side he restored a Lambo Countach and went a different route and painted in water based white but with the one thing in mind to blend in repairs if needed down the track but he said the finish would not last as along a standard car.
That will be interesting with the Chinese car industry though - good point?
Wonder what the time frame of playfields last ability will be if water based clear sealed
Planned obsolescence? When you couple that with existing Chinese manufacturing standards it doesn't bode well for the long term.
Thanks for the info, retropin and bringing it to our attention,swinks. ^^^
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I saw some water based epoxy clear in Bunnings today.. wouldn't mind trying it out and seeing how it sprays etc.
Id like to be proven wrong but so far my experience with new water based over oil and solvent based products hasn't been good. If there are any commercial painters on the forum, it would be nice to know if they use the water based enamels for wood trim etc... my guess is no as I just couldn't get a nice finish with them.
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For the introduction of the AU series Ford Falcon in 99' - Ford switched to water based clearcoat. A lot of those cars CC now are bubbling away- not the case on the EL or anything prior - or when they switched back in 04' with the BA.
Reasons for the switch was the Ol' environmental benefits.