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Title: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 08, 2016, 07:44:43 AM
I was just reading on pinside of a guy scratch building a Fathom, geting the in line drops seems to be his biggest cchallenge

I was wondering if there was any playfield parts that were specific to an EBD that would make it hard to scratch build this game?

I would also need to find a donor game, would any SS bally be suitable or an I going to have to find an early 80s machine?
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: robm on January 08, 2016, 08:45:23 AM
Hmmm, you are a few months too late. I just sold a fully populated trashed EBD pf, wiring loom and some boards a few months ago for next to nothing
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: pinnies4me on January 08, 2016, 08:47:33 AM
Strangeways is the Bally expert so should be able to advise on the appropriate board era 5hat would be suitable , but as encouragement  I did a build of a gottlueb from parts a while back, rewarding and fun.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: ddstoys on January 08, 2016, 08:54:24 AM
Inline drops were the challenge lol pretty sure I have a few sets in a box hahaha.     Can be done mate pretty sure I have you covered for new pop bumper rings, caps and probably drop targets ;)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 08, 2016, 08:54:25 AM
Hmmm, you are a few months too late. I just sold a fully populated trashed EBD pf, wiring loom and some boards a few months ago for next to nothing

Just my luck :)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 08, 2016, 08:55:25 AM
Strangeways is the Bally expert so should be able to advise on the appropriate board era 5hat would be suitable , but as encouragement  I did a build of a gottlueb from parts a while back, rewarding and fun.

You build prototypes, I ain't that good ;)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: ddstoys on January 08, 2016, 08:57:54 AM
Strangeways is the Bally expert so should be able to advise on the appropriate board era 5hat would be suitable , but as encouragement  I did a build of a gottlueb from parts a while back, rewarding and fun.

You build prototypes, I ain't that good ;)

Yeah Nicks efforts win the scratch built pin of the decade title
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 08, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Inline drops were the challenge lol pretty sure I have a few sets in a box hahaha.     Can be done mate pretty sure I have you covered for new pop bumper rings, caps and probably drop targets ;)

Yeah, you have everything :)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Strangeways on January 08, 2016, 12:05:57 PM
Absolutely can be done.

The guys at HRP have scratch built a Fathom cabinet. EBD is exactly the same. If you have a backglass and the playfield, then you have made a great start. Cosmetic parts would be easy to source - plastics set, drop targets, pop bumper parts - readily available. As mentioned, the hardest parts would be found on donor playfields - the DT assemblies being the hardest. I would not install linear flippers - go with the earlier style.

A lot of what you would need would come off donor games - door, transformer, tilt mechs etc. The backglass locking latch is reproduced.

Boards - repros are out there - altek / rottendog.

It would be a very rewarding project, as long as you have a lot of patience.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Strangeways on January 08, 2016, 12:10:16 PM
Forgot to mention - I have a EBD in my collection that is unrestored (and never for sale) - so if you need a reference game for photos etc - The machine is at your disposal  %$%
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 08, 2016, 01:02:45 PM
Forgot to mention - I have a EBD in my collection that is unrestored (and never for sale) - so if you need a reference game for photos etc - The machine is at your disposal  %$%

I am hoping that there is some logic to a Bally game
As you know, I have a couple
From those I should be able to work out how a Bally game is built
I was needing to know if there was any part that was only used on EBD
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 27, 2016, 02:55:54 PM
When did Bally start using chipboard to make their cabinets?
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Crashramp on January 28, 2016, 12:30:15 AM
When did Bally start using chipboard to make their cabinets?

Hopefully someone will know exactly which game they started on but it must have been 83' or 84'? My 1984 built Kings of Steel machine has one of those crap chipboard cabinets.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 28, 2016, 03:38:06 AM
When did Bally start using chipboard to make their cabinets?

Hopefully someone will know exactly which game they started on but it must have been 83' or 84'? My 1984 built Kings of Steel machine has one of those crap chipboard cabinets.

OK
Kings of Steel is a good example, other than the cabinet, are there other cost cutting measure that bally introduced at the time?
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 28, 2016, 04:51:04 AM
It is great that reproduction cabinet are available, but I will still need all the hardware that goes in the cabinet

I have just bought an Xs & Os that is complete
This will give me some generic parts for the playfield, and hopefully most parts for the cabinet and back box

Will still need to get the proper speech board, and target banks for the playfield

This could work ;)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Crashramp on January 28, 2016, 08:51:55 AM
It is great that reproduction cabinet are available, but I will still need all the hardware that goes in the cabinet

I have just bought an Xs & Os that is complete
This will give me some generic parts for the playfield, and hopefully most parts for the cabinet and back box

Will still need to get the proper speech board, and target banks for the playfield

This could work ;)

The only other things I can think of is the lockdown bar receiver is a lighter gauge of steel and the backglass lift is now plastic instead of chrome steel like the earlier machines.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Strangeways on January 28, 2016, 10:42:59 AM
It is great that reproduction cabinet are available, but I will still need all the hardware that goes in the cabinet

I have just bought an Xs & Os that is complete
This will give me some generic parts for the playfield, and hopefully most parts for the cabinet and back box

Will still need to get the proper speech board, and target banks for the playfield

This could work ;)

Wait for a project game on fleabay / bumtree.
Squalk and Talk - I found a couple of ebay sellers in the USA that were refurbishing and selling at reasonable prices (4-5 years ago)

Contact Bill in Williamstown as I think he had a few old playfields and cabinets.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 28, 2016, 07:40:40 PM

Squalk and Talk - I found a couple of ebay sellers in the USA that were refurbishing and selling at reasonable prices (4-5 years ago)


I see a guy in England has reproduced the sqwark and talk board
but it is $350
ouch
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on January 30, 2016, 07:31:57 PM
It is great that reproduction cabinet are available, but I will still need all the hardware that goes in the cabinet

I have just bought an Xs & Os that is complete
This will give me some generic parts for the playfield, and hopefully most parts for the cabinet and back box

Will still need to get the proper speech board, and target banks for the playfield

This could work ;)

The only other things I can think of is the lockdown bar receiver is a lighter gauge of steel and the backglass lift is now plastic instead of chrome steel like the earlier machines.
the knob on the shooter plunger is plastic

/day ruined
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Crashramp on January 30, 2016, 10:19:53 PM
It is great that reproduction cabinet are available, but I will still need all the hardware that goes in the cabinet

I have just bought an Xs & Os that is complete
This will give me some generic parts for the playfield, and hopefully most parts for the cabinet and back box

Will still need to get the proper speech board, and target banks for the playfield

This could work ;)

The only other things I can think of is the lockdown bar receiver is a lighter gauge of steel and the backglass lift is now plastic instead of chrome steel like the earlier machines.
the knob on the shooter plunger is plastic

/day ruined


Yes, I forgot about that. I replaced mine for the earlier pointed plunger. Can't remember why now.
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 09, 2016, 02:24:47 PM
Found a populated playfield for the LE version
No lamp boards so will convert back to original

First of the dumb questions;
Is the standard apron plain white?
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Strangeways on June 10, 2016, 09:29:09 AM
Found a populated playfield for the LE version
No lamp boards so will convert back to original

First of the dumb questions;
Is the standard apron plain white?

Original EBD is white and yellow. Bally/Midway version is black.

Could swap the LE playfield version with a CPR. Have the guys at HRP build a cabinet. Looks promising..  #@#
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 10, 2016, 09:39:07 AM
Yep, this has me excited
The donor playfield has the drop target mechs , and they are in good condition
Most of the other mechs are not so good, I will spend the weekend tearing it apart and seeing what can be salvaged

But most topside parts  (posts, targets, plastics) were going to get replaced any way


Another positive is the art on the apron, I had bought a decal from pinball rescue (?) and was going to use it on a Flash Gordon, EBD uses the same decal
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: pinnies4me on June 10, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
Great stuff!!

But - pictures or it is not happening!!
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 10, 2016, 12:00:26 PM
I'll post pictures when I start cleaning things up

Right now I am just gathering parts
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: swinks on June 10, 2016, 04:34:59 PM
not sure if you need or want a playfield

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-eight-ball-deluxe-playfield-ipb-repro
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 10, 2016, 05:23:39 PM
not sure if you need or want a playfield

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-eight-ball-deluxe-playfield-ipb-repro
thanks for that
I have the playfield (CPR), plastics, front door, most boards, the three unobtainium drop target mechs, a translight (that will do for now), legs

I said earlier that I had bought a X's & O's that I was going to part out and use for this project.
but after seeing Crashramps Kings of Steel, I just cannot destroy a game that is in fairly good condition
so I will have to find another donor game that I can strip for parts and fit in a new cabinet
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Strangeways on June 11, 2016, 09:34:38 PM
Moved to "Restorations"  ^^^
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 13, 2016, 02:19:30 PM
this is all the parts that make up the main drop target bank
I wont even try to clean up the parts, I will just take them and get them zinc plated
hopefully the switches will clean up easily
just need to replace the drop targets and the target faces

other parts I will try and use gun blue

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/EBD%20main%20DT%20bank_zpssdc9gepj.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/EBD%20main%20DT%20bank_zpssdc9gepj.jpg.html)
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: ddstoys on June 13, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
It's a complex mech isn't it.  So many parts
Title: Re: scratch building an Eight ball Deluxe?
Post by: Pop Bumper Pete on June 13, 2016, 02:40:35 PM
just glad the assembly unplugged,
detach the reset coils, unscrew the mini coils, flip it over and unscrew the switches
as long as I dont play with the switch matrix and break something off, it should go back just as easily