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Aussie Pinball Forums => Pinball Trader => Pinballs wanted => Topic started by: Red Series 3 on May 23, 2009, 03:23:48 AM
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I'm looking for either machine in poor condition.
P.m me
Thanks
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%)% and good luck finding either machine how about an introduction post in the intro section??? ^^^
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My vote is for White Water. Long term I think it would be more involving as a game.
But really, you can't go wrong with either.
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Trouble with whitewater is that its so over-rated, so it gets money it dont deserve. Its an OK game but boring in the longer term(the yeti is only cool thing about it lol). FT has an appeal that keeps you coming back. I would own it again but wouldnt own a WH20 (unless it was real cheap).
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Why do you want one in poor condition Red ???? !@#
Guess you're gonna do a resto on it but how poor a quality are you talking here .
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I have just had 3 Fts come in all untouched
sorry the ww has already been sold
drop me a line if you wnat pictures of the worst one
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Trouble with whitewater is that its so over-rated, so it gets money it dont deserve. Its an OK game but boring in the longer term(the yeti is only cool thing about it lol). FT has an appeal that keeps you coming back. I would own it again but wouldnt own a WH20 (unless it was real cheap).
Its funny how we all have different tastes...........love white water and cant stand fishtales.
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Trouble with whitewater is that its so over-rated, so it gets money it dont deserve. Its an OK game but boring in the longer term(the yeti is only cool thing about it lol). FT has an appeal that keeps you coming back. I would own it again but wouldnt own a WH20 (unless it was real cheap).
Its funny how we all have different tastes...........love white water and cant stand fishtales.
That's one of the great strengths of Pinball - each person sees machines differently ^^^
I LOVE Fishtales - It is a fun game that appears to kids - it is a "family friendly" pinball because of the theme and the simple gameplay. I don't think I'd ever own one - it is not "deep" enough
WH2O is also a fun game - and it could be considered a "family friendly" pin as well - but not as much as FT. I've heard that some say kids love WH2O because of the ramps etc. Gameplay would be a little harder that FT
Both are really good games - WH2O has been "talked up" a lot recently. I can see why it would be a difficult choice !
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I own em both.
For me they are both keepers.
Completely different games IMO.
Hey Extraball I am amazed you think that about WH20- honestly !@#
I guess thats the thing about all having different tastes.
But its a LOT deeper than just a revolving head %%$ :lol
To me - WH20 is a very difficult game with some really hard shots to make, awesome ramps and loops , good sound and a fantastic light show.
The rules are SO MUCH deeper than FT......and I am STILL yet to get to Vacation Planner after owning this game for a year or so.
I can really only assume you havent played it a lot !@#
GREAT game IMO.
I also like FT quite a lot , but for different reasons.....it is a very very simple game that just flows along nicely.
Its not 'deep' in any way and has no 'end objective'.
Its easy to just bash the ball around the X-Cross ramps etc etc.
Some people get bothered by the banjo style music - I dont.
Between the 2 I would say FT would get older faster.
Good luck with your search
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LOL- im with Silverball... I absolutely detest FT!!! - I cant even be in the same room as the attract music - drives me bloody nuts.
I hated it when it came out and was sited - went back to it at Stu's house and i was straight back 20 years - absolutely hate the game
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Hey Wotto I have prob had 10-20 games on WH20, so maybe my appraisal is off. But I do make-up my mind about pins after only a handful of games. Prob the reason I dont want DMDS, too much BS for me. I do love AFM and RFM, but these are machines you can walk-up to and get into right away......first ball! Prob the reason I love old SS, its classic knock-em-down fun, no thinking........just doing! FT I simply had to own after I looked and heard the thing, then during the first ball I was hooked! (gunna own FT and BR again oneday, both simple fun pins).
Or maybe I am just simple.
:lol
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Never much cared for FT - fun game, but the theme never grabbed me (despite having done lots of fishing over the years). WH2O is one I'd own except Nug would get annoyed if I didn't go there to play his - love the game!
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Trouble with whitewater is that its so over-rated, so it gets money it dont deserve. Its an OK game but boring in the longer term(the yeti is only cool thing about it lol). FT has an appeal that keeps you coming back. I would own it again but wouldnt own a WH20 (unless it was real cheap).
Its funny how we all have different tastes...........love white water and cant stand fishtales.
What the man said!
at's one of the great strengths of Pinball - each person sees machines differently ^^^
I LOVE Fishtales - It is a fun game that appears to kids - it is a "family friendly" pinball because of the theme and the simple gameplay. I don't think I'd ever own one - it is not "deep" enough
WH2O is also a fun game - and it could be considered a "family friendly" pin as well - but not as much as FT. I've heard that some say kids love WH2O because of the ramps etc. Gameplay would be a little harder that FT
Both are really good games - WH2O has been "talked up" a lot recently. I can see why it would be a difficult choice !
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Yeah i can see everybody's point of view in regards to these machines.
I find the appeal of fishtales in the simplicity of its design. There is no under playfield, only two flippers, three bumpers, it is simple for anybody to have a game and enjoy themselves. Unless you have completed all the jackpots and got the super jackpot i don't think you can say there is no depth to the game. Oh and the scene where you get to put your name in the high scores on a deserted beach with palm trees is cool
Whitewater is a hard game. Most people will drain balls very fast and I have never seen a ball save on a whitewater which is very frustrating. But once you start to make the ramp shots it really becomes fun, the first time i made the insanity falls shot was filth. I have had a great time playing it and am no where near getting the vacation planner jackpot.
I recently saw an average condition fishtales sell on Ebay for $1666 in Aus and i thought to myself i should have bought that. But i had no chance to inspect prior to the auction so i did not bid.
I personally think that the games that are not based on a popular license have had more time/money spent on development and are usually better games. A great comparison is Revenge from Mars to Star Wars Episode 1 with RFM being a much better game.
I appreciate all the help and information.
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Yeah i can see everybody's point of view in regards to these machines.
I find the appeal of fishtales in the simplicity of its design. There is no under playfield, only two flippers, three bumpers, it is simple for anybody to have a game and enjoy themselves. Unless you have completed all the jackpots and got the super jackpot i don't think you can say there is no depth to the game. Oh and the scene where you get to put your name in the high scores on a deserted beach with palm trees is cool
Whitewater is a hard game. Most people will drain balls very fast and I have never seen a ball save on a whitewater which is very frustrating. But once you start to make the ramp shots it really becomes fun, the first time i made the insanity falls shot was filth. I have had a great time playing it and am no where near getting the vacation planner jackpot.
I recently saw an average condition fishtales sell on Ebay for $1666 in Aus and i thought to myself i should have bought that. But i had no chance to inspect prior to the auction so i did not bid.
I personally think that the games that are not based on a popular license have had more time/money spent on development and are usually better games. A great comparison is Revenge from Mars to Star Wars Episode 1 with RFM being a much better game.
I appreciate all the help and information.
The home Rom LH-6 has a ball saver and a few other cool things too.
I really could not get into FT, I tried have played many games but never enjoyed playing.
WH20 on the other hand grabbed me immediately, heaps of ramps, fast flowing shots and a very deep ruleset to keep you interested.
I don't think WH20 is overated, but now seems to be getting a bit more popular for some reason
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maybe WH20 isnt overrated. But what really bugs me is when I play a machine that people rave about, and after playing it dont like it much. I guess thats my problem though lol and, we do all appreciate different aspects of pinball.
Like to me drop targets on a pin are as good as breasts on chic. They both gotta be there, and have plently of em.
#*#
But some guys find drop target games boring.
@.@
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Trouble with whitewater is that its so over-rated, so it gets money it dont deserve. Its an OK game but boring in the longer term(the yeti is only cool thing about it lol). FT has an appeal that keeps you coming back. I would own it again but wouldnt own a WH20 (unless it was real cheap).
Its funny how we all have different tastes...........love white water and cant stand fishtales.
Couldn't agree more....Fishtales (((
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It's not gonna help me find a machine, but if we are talking about overated machines, could you guys ever get into The Adams Family? Just never did it for me and its widely regarded as the biggest selling and earning pinny.
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yeah from what i've seen, TAF is a game you either love or hate! Havent played heaps of games on it but I love it ^^^
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It's not gonna help me find a machine, but if we are talking about overated machines, could you guys ever get into The Adams Family? Just never did it for me and its widely regarded as the biggest selling and earning pinny.
I don't understand how it can be overrated if it was the biggest selling and earning pinny in history *!@ I reckon TAF deserves it's status, it's fun for beginners, families, amateurs and pros alike.
Matthew
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It's not gonna help me find a machine, but if we are talking about overated machines, could you guys ever get into The Adams Family? Just never did it for me and its widely regarded as the biggest selling and earning pinny.
I don't understand how it can be overrated if it was the biggest selling and earning pinny in history *!@ I reckon TAF deserves it's status, it's fun for beginners, families, amateurs and pros alike.
Matthew
indeed, i personally pumped $400 freakin dollars into it on location during 'the day' -love taf
fish tales is a really good game that id be happy to get cheap..wh2o cheap may mean $$$ in parts of course ?!
both good games.
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I will be selling a Whitewater machine in the very near future - probably will be ready next week.
Good - plays really really well. Above average playfield. Fully working. Strong flippers. LH-6 ROM.
Bad - I would look at replacing the Disaster Drop ramp at some stage. Display has some faded lines on initial start up - they come good after about 10-20 secs. It has a topper but it is very faded - a decal from Treasure Cove would sort that out. Cabinet has some chunks out of the decals here and there.
I need to take some decent pics of the machine which will be available soon.
I don't know where you are located and what sort of dollars you are looking to spend but just get in touch with me if you're interested. I am happy to help out if I can.
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I'd have to vote for WW, have only played it once (At talby's) and seems to be a lot more onvolved than Fish Tales and looks like it would be a better long term pinball #*#
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My vote would be WH2O hands down. For me it is one of the best all time pins. Yeah it doesn't have drop targets but it has everything else in a pin on tap. The rules are deep enough to make Vacation Jackpot bloody hard which keeps you coming back for that one last game. If you haven't seen the Vacation Jackpot in real life, take the glass off and give the machine a tickle, it's one of the better jackpots I have seen - just turn the machine off at the end of it so you don't save the highest score.
So why am I selling mine I hear you ask? I love it that much I have two at the moment and sadly I can't keep both - I need the room and $$$$ for another machine.
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So why am I selling mine I hear you ask? I love it that much I have two at the moment and sadly I can't keep both - I need the room and $$$$ for another machine.
Wow, you got two of them? You must really like it! What machine are you after next, or is that still undecided?
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So why am I selling mine I hear you ask? I love it that much I have two at the moment and sadly I can't keep both - I need the room and $$$$ for another machine.
Wow, you got two of them? You must really like it! What machine are you after next, or is that still undecided?
I've got a wish list as long as my arm but I will just wait and see what comes up at the right time and right price. Pretty much the reason why I am going to sell the 2nd machine, I want to have the $$$ there at the ready if something does catch my eye. Gorgar is coming up to my place tomorrow and will be giving all my machines a thorough test so hopefully he will be able to vouch for the machine I will be selling.
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I recently read an interview with steve ritchie, it was funny considering the games that he has designed and that he believes that the future of pinball should have been a single level 3 ball game without attempting to rely on a license.
I think that the games that are becoming more popular are usually the simpler style of games that have rarely relied on a license. For me I like to look at the way something has been engineered and i find that the style of fishtales is perfect there are no major faults that will cause problems in the future. Just based on a quirky concept and simple pinny fun.
I think considering the wild ramp designs on whitewater it is quite well engineered i have worked on 3 ex sited whitewaters and not one had broken the underplayfield ramp. These were well used machines with large divots on the mini playfield. I have never seen ramps destroyed on a whitewater either.
When you consider the damage that is done to the ramps on an addams family.
I kinda just want to find an ex operated pinny that was never running on site long enough and has a blanking off problem I know its sitting in the corner of a workshop somewhere.
I do like many other late model pinnys, I enojoy playing scared stiff, theatre of magic, getaway. star trek tng, tales of the arabian nights, creature from the black lagoon, attack from mars, terminator 2, world cup soccer, twilight zone.
But i guess i was kinda hoping for someone to say i've got a fishtales here its a mess $1500 come and take it away. I enjoy playing something more when its taken a lot of personal hard work. I don't want to buy a perfect machine or something somebody else has fixed up.
I think i'm probably looking in the wrong place. Eh
Thanks
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Yes and no; yes, most of the guys here who might have owned a project WW or FT have most likely done it up themselves by now and it sounds like that is the case. Also I can't imagine what condition a WW would have to be in to go for $1500 but it would either need a new playfield or new electronics, I suppose.
Having said that, if anyone was going to sell a project WW or FT for $1500, you may well find out about it on here first.
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Yes and no; yes, most of the guys here who might have owned a project WW or FT have most likely done it up themselves by now and it sounds like that is the case. Also I can't imagine what condition a WW would have to be in to go for $1500 but it would either need a new playfield or new electronics, I suppose.
Having said that, if anyone was going to sell a project WW or FT for $1500, you may well find out about it on here first.
i will buy them for that too . I am sure there are some out there that bad too
mark
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I think i'm probably looking in the wrong place. Eh
Ummm, yep
Even though I find FT boring, I would still jump to buy one for $1500 and restore it (then probabally sell it again *)* )
I don't think anyone on this site is going to offer you a WH20 of FT for 1.5k, because I would have already beat you to those bargains <.>
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Ummm, yep
Even though I find FT boring, I would still jump to buy one for $1500 and restore it (then probabally sell it again I don't think anyone on this site is going to offer you a WH20 of FT for 1.5k, because I would have already beat you to those bargains <.>
Hey Matt,
Obviously you have never tried to get all 3 'tropical jackpots' on FT then !@#- thats when it goes from 'boring' ( if you choose that term ) to bloody frustrating ^&(
I like FT as a simple game with some decent (albeit a little repetitive) flow - its a great game to have amongst a mix of games when you need a break from a 'thinker'. To own as your ONLY game, maybe not, unless you absolutely LOVE it like a mate of mine does.
Man- those bloody jackpots - one day I will get em all *)*
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Wotto had mine on 5 ball and got super jackpots quite a few times, once you start getting them the adrenaline starts pumping. FT was my only pin so I grew bored of it, now I have a few pins I would love it back (lots around will get one oneday).
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Ummm, yep
Even though I find FT boring, I would still jump to buy one for $1500 and restore it (then probabally sell it again I don't think anyone on this site is going to offer you a WH20 of FT for 1.5k, because I would have already beat you to those bargains <.>
Hey Matt,
Obviously you have never tried to get all 3 'tropical jackpots' on FT then !@#- thats when it goes from 'boring' ( if you choose that term ) to bloody frustrating ^&(
I like FT as a simple game with some decent (albeit a little repetitive) flow - its a great game to have amongst a mix of games when you need a break from a 'thinker'. To own as your ONLY game, maybe not, unless you absolutely LOVE it like a mate of mine does.
Man- those bloody jackpots - one day I will get em all *)*
No I haven't managed to spend that much time on FT (well I have tried), I found the flow fun to begin with but after a couple of dozen games, like you stated I found it too 'repeditive'.
Maybe in a home environment where you can spend time on a quality pin, not a fish n chip shop hacker, my thoughts may change.
I do like having a game in a collection to break from a 'thinker' as you stated, that is where my HS2 fits in.
Maybe you could throw your FT in the ute and bring it down for me to borrow for awhile mate <.> *)* *)*
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The shop next door to my shop had fishtales in it and my staff and i played it every time we went for lunch. My staff and I would rank it 7 out of 10.
Played White Water I gave it 5 out of 10 mainly because the obstuctive ramp near the left flipper drove me crazy !
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Sounds like i'm being unrealistic on Price ^&^
But if i see a super clean semi restored whitewater sell on Ebay for $2500
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=150350877893 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=150350877893)
and i saw a fishtales that is pretty clean sell for $2500
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200338663222 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200338663222)
and with most ops stating that $1500 is the minimum price for shopping out a pinny i don't understand why i am so off the pace looking at spending this on a non shopped machine.
I have seen a fishtales sell on ebay for $1666
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150342351281 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150342351281)
I have been offered a twilight zone for $2500 which i am starting to think would be a better option than spending $2000 on buying a ft or whitewater... I really want to get my hands dirty.
I am in the funny position of having knocked back operators when i was offered pinnys at cheap prices not 6 months ago{the ol closing down sale}
I am a filthy capitalist, It is a better option dollar wise to buy a clean whitewater or fishtales from looking at these two ebay sales than to buy a unshopped one for $2000
But maybe at $2500 twilight zone is a better option
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TZ at $2500 is pretty good - they usually sell for around $4K plus. It depends on what you need to spend to do it up.
The problem with eBay is that the prices can sometimes be inflated by people who must have a pin without thinking realistically about what it might be worth. And if you say 'project pin', it can trigger off the brain's bargain receptors, even if the price is unrealistic.
A lot of dealers get pins as trade-ins and so are picking them up for a better price than you or I can get without doing a lot of searching. Say they are offering a trade-in of $1000 to $1500 and then shopping it, their pricing will start at $2500 to $3000, which sounds about right.
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If the TZ is complete and just needs a tidy up it is a great price. I'd grab it while you can, you don't see them that cheap these days
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I found a fishtales just the way i want it just in the wrong country!
http://cgi.ebay.de/FLIPPER-FISH-THALES_W0QQitemZ300325515601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomaten?hash=item45eccbb151&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.de/FLIPPER-FISH-THALES_W0QQitemZ300325515601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomaten?hash=item45eccbb151&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
Check it out
One day i will stumble across a machine in the back of a garage all nasty and dirty. Ebays all over the world seem to get them but not ebay aus !!!
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nice colour in that one too
would owe you around 2000 - 2500 ish landed I would guess depending on taxes
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nice colour in that one too
would owe you around 2000 - 2500 ish landed I would guess depending on taxes
Tell me about it... Makes buying one in good nick from you a much better option!!!
It's just that i do want something that needs work, I've called a lot of the ex-ops i know that are no longer operating machines and a few have had nasty machines in the corner that have never worked right. But not titles that i like.
I've been offered a twilight zone that i think is at the right price, but its a little more than i have available to spend at the moment so i'm probably going to sell a couple of video cabinets and go for that. But i'm not 100% sure that it is a game i would keep playing at home. I'm still trying to find a machine on site that works to try it out.
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I think the TZ at the price you said would be great
I have a working FT but not reco or anything for 2500.00 here
but A tz is much better
mark
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Saving up as we speak. Still not 100% sure as i haven't played a good working machine. But i know it will be a better decision
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Difinately play TZ before you finally decide to purchase it, sounds like a good deal @ $2,500 for a popular title..
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I went and bought a JP off a guy yesterday. He also has a Fishtales that he wants to sell. The playfield looked like it was in excellent condition with no wear and looked very coloufull. It probably needs a good clean and re-rubber. He said everything worked 100% on it. The cabinet you would want to get your hands busy and put a full Decal kit on it.
If anyone is interested then let me know and I can go take photos for you. I can help out with getting it to a freight company also
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Mmmm sounds interesting...
I actually like the i've been knocked about and left in the sunlight look.
Shows that its got some history and generally been enjoyed.
I'll send you a p.m if you could forward me the details i'd be stoked.