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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Ant68 on January 10, 2011, 11:31:43 AM
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Breaking News ,I have be talking with Captain Jack over the past week about his exciting new adventure .
Man, has this bloke got drive and determination or what . Talk about no one standing in his way !! or anyone intimidating him !!
He knows what we what in a Pinball ,and he has insured me that this will be a totally awesome machine .
He has been listening to Pinball enthusiast from all around the world with what they want and from resellers with what they need in a Pinball to make it a great seller.
He is starting to take small refundable deposits as a show-of-hands for he's new Emerald City Limited Edition Wizard of OZ Pinball .
Now an Australian Exclusive THE PRICE
Pre-orders will be $6500 US with out pre-order it will be $7500 US ,
http://www.pinballsales.com/asp/default.asp
Well done Jack , go hard Mate
Tony
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I really hope this project works out. Seems the drive and passion is already there, which was sadly lacking for other attempts at manufacturing Pinball machines. I will be eagerly following the progress, but I feel the theme "Wizard of Oz" is a poor choice. I would have hoped a more recent theme that would appeal to the younger generation would be considired. With Stern missing out on Tron, I would have thought Jersey Pinball would pick up on that theme.
Nevertheless - Jack has already produced Bowlers, so I have high hopes he will produce a pinball. I'm hoping regular progress updates are provided.
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It will be great to see another enter the market - someone who as a former distributor for Stern will likely have the customers ready to try this out. He certainly seems to have a fan-base in the US, this could possibly work. My first reaction to the theme was similar to Strangeways, but I'm starting to think that this could tap several possible markets, and if it is a real players game, even attract them as well.
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That could be a really cool title if done right, heres hoping it is as good as it sounds.
$6500 on the pre order is very reasonable as well for a nib.
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Jersey Jack certainly has the right background and infrastructure to make good on his promise. Now it appears he really has the mindset and love of the game to see things through. Very exciting development, especially given all the disparate/desperate tricks Stern have been up to lately.
Stern have made some really awesome machines in my opinion and they have done some good innovations eg. flashstick memory. However, some of their recent title choices are f**king stinkers and now we will get a rehash of the ancient Rolling Stones for pity's sake.
Don't forget Marsaplay of Spain, who actually have produced a machine with real innovations including an LCD display. Sadly, their resurrection of a sucky old machine despite the technical advances rather defeats the purpose.
New kid on the block? Someones neck likewise?
Dunno - even though I own a genuine Austrian Crystal ball all I can see is a brownish cloud !@)
I just hope neither party gets taken down by all this, but the current economic situation etc does not bode well.
Still, I'm pretty chuffed that new things are happening.
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I think the theme is great...
Im in for one....
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Just received this from Jack
For Immediate Release:
The talent that will bring the classic story of The Wizard of Oz to life on the Jersey Jack Pinball is famed artist Jerry Vander Stelt.
Jerry has been commissioned to do seven different original art treatments. The cabinet which will consist the two sides of the body and the two sides of the back box with each being different and unique works of art.
Jerry will do backglass art which will be displayed on the LCD in the backbox as well. There will be a mirrored glass the full size of the backbox which will have artwork that will frame the LCD and lift up and into the backbox like a traditional full sized backglass
The portion of that glass will be clear to show what's on the LCD. In total including the artwork on the front of the game that is seven unique and different Jerry Vander Stelt art creations for this game.
The cabinet art will be printed with UV ink on the highest grade quality adhesive backed vinyl and applied to the cabinets. This will insure the brightness, intensity and detail that Jerry is famous for.
To see what Jerry has done in Pinball search the ipdb.org and for a link to his studio visit http://www.vandersteltstudio.com/
Best Regards,
Jack Guarnieri
President & CEO,
Jack Guarnieri Service Co., Inc.
1000 Towbin Avenue
Lakewood, NJ 08701
www.pinballsales.com
(732) 364-9900 ext 135 - Office
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I like the sounds of the LCD screen , I can see it now LCD starts of in Black and white , hit the ball into twister then BOOM your in colour ? awesome .
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$#$ $#$ Thank god no DMD $#$ $#$
Mmmmm... pinball moves forward??? Who would have thought?
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About time the DMD got trashed, It's been so long since the last major upgrade/advance in pinball. can't wait to see the final product! $#$
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interesting
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all i wanna say is it sounds better than sterns new rolling stones! BY A LONG RUN! $#$
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Rolling Stones Pin, what next KISS ^&^ or Beatles....
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Justin Bieber
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Rolling Stones Pin, what next KISS ^&^ or Beatles....
Justin Bieber
LOL @@* *)*
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Rolling Stones Pin, what next KISS ^&^ or Beatles....
Depending on who you talk to, Stern wanted to do another KISS pin but the KISS Corporation #@# wanted too much money AND control over the design. There was also a rumor that they wanted to do an AC / DC pinball. Both were approached before the idea to do the Stones was thought of.
I'm starting to warm to the Wizard of Oz concept. I'm hoping we see regular updates.
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Justin Bieber
Free copy of his autobiography with it, hey?
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I'm starting to warm to the Wizard of Oz concept. I'm hoping we see regular updates.
After the RS release i think we are all warming to WOZ!
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I'm looking forward to seeing this one as well,especially after seeing stern's latest offering, I'm hoping jack picks up the pinball and runs with it. *%*
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And Dennis Nordman has joined the team
January 21, 2011--World famous pinball designer Dennis Nordman has joined Jersey Jack Pinball! Dennis has designed some of the best loved pinball machines including, Pirates of the Caribbean, Whitewater, Scared Stiff, Elvira and the Party Monsters, Demolition Man, Indy 500, and others. Joe Balcer, who is designing the Wizard of Oz, Jersey Jack's first release, will collaborate with Dennis on design elements and together they are sure to create a great game. Dennis will also be designing game #2 for Jersey Jack Pinball.
http://www.pingamejournal.com/current/
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And Dennis Nordman has joined the team
January 21, 2011--World famous pinball designer Dennis Nordman has joined Jersey Jack Pinball! Dennis has designed some of the best loved pinball machines including, Pirates of the Caribbean, Whitewater, Scared Stiff, Elvira and the Party Monsters, Demolition Man, Indy 500, and others. Joe Balcer, who is designing the Wizard of Oz, Jersey Jack's first release, will collaborate with Dennis on design elements and together they are sure to create a great game. Dennis will also be designing game #2 for Jersey Jack Pinball.
http://www.pingamejournal.com/current/
This can only be a good thing, you would think!
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Sure does , seems like it's coming together nicely
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This can only be a good thing, you would think!
I think it is good for this project, but it illustrates what is wrong with pinball that there is no 'new blood' coming through
it is the same old people with the same old ideas
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I think it is good for this project, but it illustrates what is wrong with pinball that there is no 'new blood' coming through
it is the same old people with the same old ideas
Maybe right, but I suspect the first game or two needs to be traditional pinball to get them established. Maybe after that they can try some innovation (at Stern if you say "innovation" they make you put a buck in the bad word jar).
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see below for latest update and payment structure, lots of points to get out if you dont like the look through development....
I hope you are well and thanks again for your refundable Pre-Order.
Because of the flurry of activity in my PayPal account, PayPal called me this past week....they actually locked up my account for a couple of days. It seems that their policy does not allow for Pre-Orders of anything beyond 60 days. I did not know that and simply wanted to get a "show of hands" deposit on special this first game. To comply with their policy, I promised them that I would convert these Pre-Orders to Special-Orders by the end of the 60 days.
More than 75% of the Pre-Orders so far have come from previous, repeat customers, many who I know from prior sales, conversations or even times we have met. I have not e mailed in a mass blind-copy format as I have personally written to everyone and I now I want to update you further. An overwhelming majority of these people do not want to pay $6,000 in one payment and have requested many different options to make structured payments. To that request I need to apply in a one size fits all policy in how we will take those payments.
By and before that time so much more will be made known to you and all of the other people who gave these pre-order deposits. While you cannot play the game on 3/15/11, you can make a decision. To take your $250 back or to advance another payment of $1,000 which will also be refundable if you decide to cancel further down the road.
I'm going to take their advice at this point...so it looks like payments would be:
3/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
6/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
9/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
10/31 - Time when the order is converted into a Special Order -
12/15 - Tentative Delivery - Balance $3250.00 + Freight
Some customers just want to pay me the full amount now and I do not want that either. So many great things have happened in the past year to make this all a reality and this next year much more will happen as we create this first exciting new game.
While my idea is to have many details disclosed as this process unfolds, I still need to keep some details untold and unseen. I've already disclosed that the cabinet, backbox, LCD back glass, mirror back glass frame will be created by famed artist Jerry Vander Stelt who will produce seven different unique works of art for the game. The Playfield art, plastic and decal set art will be created by Pinball Legend Greg Freres and he and Jerry will work together in concert on style and content to create a very special art package fitting for The Wizard of Oz.
World Famous designer Dennis Nordman has joined Jersey Jack Pinball to collaborate on The Wizard of Oz design elements with designer and creative genius Joe Balcer who designed South Park and The Simpsons Pinball Party among other games. Dennis will design game #2 as well with Greg Freres doing the complete artwork package for that game.
In the next days and weeks as I disclose what operating system we are using, who will do the programming and what parts will be used, you will realize how special this game will be. It is also a statement of commitment for future games we build that come after this. Good thing for Facebook, web sites, RGP and YouTube so we can update progress on the game.
Please remember that I am a Pinball NUT! I want the ultimate great playing game with mechanical toys, deep rule set and lots of features too.
Thank you again for your trust and confidence. There will be much more information that I will get to you as I can report it. Sometimes these details may break in a public way because of technology and the excitement surrounding this new game, I understand it. My choice is to tell you first in every event of breaking details.
If you have any further questions, just call or e mail me, thanks!
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Certainly sound super-motivated.
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10/10 for communication
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Sounds really exciting - just wondering how many on here are thinking of ordering one of the Wizard of Oz pinballs and if so what would be the freight to get one here and the various charges and taxes - in other words what would be the final cost when you get it home. I was wondering if there was any way that they would get a special shipping price etc if say there were 5 of us in Melbourne who were getting one would he offer discount shipping etc if they all came together etc - just throwing it out there does anyone have any good ideas on the cheapest way to get it out here??
Cheers
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Cheapest would be to hijack some space on a container, but still going to have GST and state duties on top (maybe $1000) plus the container space.
I shipped two BBB's together by air, didn't gain anything from the shipping (the only area you'd possibly save with multiple games). Cost about $2K each IIRC. Suspect about $1500 if boat. Just guessing, some here will have more recent experience I suspect.
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From NJ to Brissy air freight last time cost me $1600 Door to Door plus GST
I'm guessing close to $10k all in .
Tony
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Is it me only, am I getting less trusting as I get older ?
Do the words Medievil Madness and Crocodile Dundee Pinball mean anything to anyone out there ! Same sort of promises.Perhaps its much safer to pay in full for a item when u see the item standing in front of you. Why risk sending money to a brand new seller who hasnt earnt their credibility yet ? I would be confident that if I sent Gary Stern money for a machine I would get something for example, but a new USA start up ?
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I'm going to take their advice at this point...so it looks like payments would be:
3/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
6/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
9/15 - $1000 - Fully Refundable
10/31 - Time when the order is converted into a Special Order -
12/15 - Tentative Delivery - Balance $3250.00 + Freight
What would you do if it went bad, put on Dorothys red shoes and click ya feet together and hope for some Wizard of Oz magic. It might be the closest ya ever get.
p.s - did anyone on here recieve their Limited Edition Medi Evil Madness or Crocodile Dundee Pinball Machines yet !@#, I hope the Wizard of Oz doesnt end up the same !
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You're comparing apples with oranges...Jack has already produced a redemption machine so he has runs on the board. Just because 1 "manufacturer" was full of hot air doesn't mean they all are. IPB produced BBB from scratch. If you took the same attitude with them, BBB would never have been made.
By the way, it's Croc Hunter, not Croc Dundee.
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Do the words [EDIT] Crocodile Dundee Pinball mean anything to anyone out there !
No, not at all, do tell?? !@#
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correct ! CROC HUNTER lol. I always think Crocodile Dundee.
Creech if u reckon this company is better than those before it, I will go with your reccommendation.
I hope they do bring some good machines to the industry/hobby and give STERN bit of a wake up.
Did anyone ever get their deposits back for Croc Hunter or Medi-Evil LE etc !@# I wonder how many deposits were collected ?
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Did anyone ever get their deposits back for Croc Hunter or Medi-Evil LE etc !@# I wonder how many deposits were collected ?
Nobody paid deposits for Croc-O-Crap, never got further than a photoshop job.
Everyone seems to have got the MM deposit back after they asked. Perhaps took longer than they wanted in some cases, but never heard a word about anyone not getting it back when requested.
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Thanks Nick. Its good to hear that no one got srewed over $. At least the photoshop of the Croc Hunter looked like a Pin2000 platform which i love. I wish it had of come to fruition !
I wish someone invented a pinball based on the Pin2000 platform. When does the Williams patents etc expire. I reckon to get more younger kids involved, the pin2000 style of pinball would be a great new release. Its a shame that hardly anyone has ever seen a Revenge from Mars or Star Wars Episode 1 onsite. I wonder if a whack were put onsite today, all in great condition, what would the feedback be !
I wish this new pinball company went that way ! ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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Thanks Nick. Its good to hear that no one got srewed over $. At least the photoshop of the Croc Hunter looked like a Pin2000 platform which i love. I wish it had of come to fruition !
I wish someone invented a pinball based on the Pin2000 platform. When does the Williams patents etc expire. I reckon to get more younger kids involved, the pin2000 style of pinball would be a great new release. Its a shame that hardly anyone has ever seen a Revenge from Mars or Star Wars Episode 1 onsite. I wonder if a whack were put onsite today, all in great condition, what would the feedback be !
I wish this new pinball company went that way ! ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
Patent still current
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F6036188
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Nick, does it ever run out ?
Can anyone else ever do a pin2000 style pinball or is it over forever ? Could someone argue that since Williams has gone bust, and no longer exists, they are not using the patent and therefore, the technology shld be available for others to use ?
U have the legal expertise so i wondered if we will ever see a pin2000 style pin ever again by someone other than a closed Williams ? !@#
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Nick, does it ever run out ?
Can anyone else ever do a pin2000 style pinball or is it over forever ? Could someone argue that since Williams has gone bust, and no longer exists, they are not using the patent and therefore, the technology shld be available for others to use ?
U have the legal expertise so i wondered if we will ever see a pin2000 style pin ever again by someone other than a closed Williams ? !@#
one thing that i think would be keeping this patent current is that WMS are still alive making poker machines. And I think some one still owns the rights to all the pinball stuff.
it would be great if some one was able to do a new pin2k game.
can't wait to see this new pin
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Nick, does it ever run out ?
Can anyone else ever do a pin2000 style pinball or is it over forever ? Could someone argue that since Williams has gone bust, and no longer exists, they are not using the patent and therefore, the technology shld be available for others to use ?
U have the legal expertise so i wondered if we will ever see a pin2000 style pin ever again by someone other than a closed Williams ? !@#
one thing that i think would be keeping this patent current is that WMS are still alive making poker machines. And I think some one still owns the rights to all the pinball stuff.
it would be great if some one was able to do a new pin2k game.
can't wait to see this new pin
Absolutely... Williams now far more succesful than they ever were making pinballs and if they ever launce any pinball format im quite sure that the sky would be full of flying bacon %.%
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Haven't bothered checking the US law, but generally patents are 20 years. I think this one was owned down here for a while, not sure then if it made it's way with the purchase of the WMS rights back to the US recently.
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There is no comparison between the failed Croc Hunter / MM remake and Wizard of Oz. The main difference is that Jack has a track record of production, he understands the industry and he has a positive attitude towards pinball.
We will see this game in production and I'm sure the level of communication and updates will be constant.
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News to hand ^^^
http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack2.html (http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack2.html)
Jersey Jack Pinball today announced Keith Johnson will be the programmer.
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Looks like jersey jacks first game is going to have an EPIC Ruleset.might have to start saving the dollars towards one.
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Now that is a sensational move - can't help but think the games will be great. The market will determine their success, but I think no start up has had so much going for it.
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Seems that way Nick .
I think he's out to prove a point to someone in the US ,(look out)
He got the right mix of talent around him to create a master piece .
Jack is also a collector and enjoys playing his pinballs , so I can only see him create an awesome machine .
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whats that all about? %$%
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Hi
Has anyone in Australia in particular Melbourne put down a deposit for one of these Oz pinballs. I am very interested and am wondering if there is anyway if we order a few as a group or say from "Aussie Pinball" members from say Melbourne could we get them out here a bit cheaper?
Any ideas , would be keen to hear from anyone who has emailed Jack from Australia and what the response has been and if he gave you any idea of freight costs here.
Cheers
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Don't know of any other discounts to date other then the pre-order one , maybe others may know different ?
Other than that ,if we have enough orders a container load maybe the way to go .Will save heaps.
Hey Mark how many Stern's NIB do you fit into a container ? I was told 24 can you verify this ?
Cheers Tony
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Don't know of any other discounts to date other then the pre-order one , maybe others may know different ?
Other than that ,if we have enough orders a container load maybe the way to go .Will save heaps.
Hey Mark how many Stern's NIB do you fit into a container ? I was told 24 can you verify this ?
Cheers Tony
I think you are right
But I cannot see 24 people from Vic buying a WOz
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Even if it's half full it would still be cost effective .
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I recon everyone on the forum would want one but can't afford one! %.% %$%
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$#$mildflame will have one
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news to date
Hi Everyone, I hope you are all well.
I have blind-copied everyone who has already ordered a game with the $250.00 Refundable Deposit. It's getting too much for me to write everyone personally - sorry - that's a good thing though.
On 3/15/11 the next payment of $1,000.00 will be due. We will be in touch with all of you before then. You can pay using any credit card you like or via PayPal, etc. This helps you and this helps us too so Thank You!
Below is a very cool announcement that will be released to the public this Sunday. Chris Granner is an AMAZING TALENT! You all know that our Team and I want the very best for our company and for the games we will build. The very best in sound is Chris Granner. This game is going to be truly Special!
In the next week or so I have another few blockbuster announcements having to do with hardware/software and the parts we will use in our games. You will all be very pleased.....for sure.
This is a very exciting time for me and for all of us. I can tell you that our Team is working very hard with a lot of passion and dedication to create what we believe to be the very best game we can make.
I've included ordering info again at the bottom of this e mail in case you want to share with someone else. We are up over 300 games now Pre-Ordered! Imagine what will happen when we release some art and some playfield details - we expect the entire run of these 1,000 Emerald City Limited Edition games to sell out.
If you did not select a game number yet, please e mail katie@JerseyJackPinball.com with a few choices. People have picked numbers all over the place so there are many open at the moment.
We are all going to make our way around the World at Pinball Shows to promote Jersey Jack Pinball so chances are we will get to see you sometime sooner or later this year.
Thanks again and if you have any questions, suggestions, thoughts, call or e mail me as many of you have, we appreciate the support and encouragement.
Warmest Regards,
"Jersey" Jack
Chris Granner Joins the Team!
Chris Granner Joins Jersey Jack Pinball
Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. proudly announces that they have hired famed Sound Master Chris Granner to do their upcoming Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine. His creative genius was present in so many great games including; The Addams Family, The Simpsons Pinball Party, Indiana Jones, White Water, Twilight Zone, Cyclone, Lord of the Rings, Funhouse, and many more.
Chris said "I can't even tell you how excited I am to be a part of this team! When I heard that Joe, then Jerry and then Dennis and Greg were involved, I was pretty impressed...when I heard it was going to be The Wizard of Oz, I was really impressed...and when I heard Keith Johnson would be programming, and what kind of a game was to be made, I thought, this is what I've been waiting for! A fabulous team, a Triple A license, a can-do, "rebel base" mentality -- sign me up!"
"Chris has been out of Pinball for over five years and this was a great opportunity to grab this brilliant talent and add him to our Team, I am thrilled." said Jersey Jack Guarnieri.
"There are SO many great songs and themes, and the characters are so vibrant. It's really amazing how this story has become part of our cultural backdrop, especially in recent years, having a new way to look at wicked witches. This is going to be a VERY special game, I'm very grateful to be a part of it, and I can't wait to get started!" continued Chris.
About Chris
Exposed to Bach, Beethoven and Chopin from birth by his organist/pianist father, Chris was singing 3-part harmony with his parents at age 2 (so says his mom anyway). He studied composition and electronic/computer music with Ben Johnston, Herbert Brun, Sal Martirano & Scott Wyatt at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, completing a B.M. and an M.F.A. in music composition. Chris's interest in computer music led him to the Northwestern University computer music lab, where he heard that Williams Electronics was searching for its first full-time composer. He took the position, and over a period of 18 years developed a presence as one of the leading composers in the pinball & coin-op video game industry. Since leaving Williams/Bally/Midway to create CGmusic, Chris has become the leading composer in pinball today, and is consistently sought to compose music and design soundtracks for coin-op and console games, television advertising spots and other interactive media. Recently he designed the soundtrack and directed voiceover asset creation for the X-Box title Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus, and composed music and post-produced audio for the cut-scenes for that Studio Gigante / Microsoft title. Although fascinated by all types of music and known for his ability to bestow the "cg touch" on any musical style, Chris especially enjoys all styles of classical music from Gregorian Chant to John Cage, as well as both types of music - country/western AND bluegrass.
About Us
Veteran arcade industry figure Jack Guarnieri has been in the amusement industry since 1975 when he began by servicing electro-mechanical pinball machines. Since then he has been involved in all sides of the industry, from developing amusement centers, to residential sales, to manufacturing.
Jack is the President and CEO of Elaut USA, Inc. which operates thousands of amusement games and related attractions nationwide in major Amusement and Theme Parks, (www.elautusa.com). Jack founded PinballSales.com in 1999 which boasts over 12,000 loyal customers.
Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. is a separate company from Elaut USA, Inc. and it was founded because of a need that Jack saw in the industry for premium, no-compromise pinball machines. Games built with passion and games that are fun to play which will become treasured for years to come. Jersey Jack Pinball's first release will be The Wizard of Oz Emerald City Limited Edition Pinball Machine, scheduled for release within the next year.
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Sure is plenty going on with the project, thanks fot the update.
When are they announcing they are using licensed WPC system?
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and even more good news.....
February 21,2011--Back Alley Creations', Matt Riesterer, has joined the Jersey Jack Pinball team as a modeling artist. Matt has been a customer/friend of Jersey Jack Guarnieri for many years and has has created many high-end custom after market items for pinball machines. Matt has been exclusively contracted to do the toys and models for the upcoming Wizard of Oz pinball as well as for future JJP games. "Matt's amazing work is a result of his talent, dedication and passion and I'm truly happy he has joined us in our efforts to create the best games possible," said Jersey Jack. Matt will use his exceptional talent to focus on the details of the Emerald City Limited Edition game.
"This is an awesome dream come true for me. I could think of no other person who I would rather do this with than Jack. He has assembled an amazing team of people and being part of this is an honor!" exclaimed Matt.
The Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine will incorporate many new design elements that will need to be created and sculpted. Matt's creativity and experience along with input from other members of the Jersey Jack Pinball Team will insure that this game and other games to follow, will be unique in design and attention to detail. They are all working to create something very special.
For more information about JJP and the addition of other team members see other features on this page or visit JJP by clicking HERE. For more info on Back Alley Creations click HERE
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just found this on RGP
from Jack
Thanks Chuck......that Pusher cost a fortune to engineer, it was 3+
years in the making and costs a fortune to build. But again, cost is
relative to earnings....It makes a boatload of money, it's a six
player game too. See we get to make money once on the sale while the
ops get to make money on it every day. That's why it's nice to be
involved in every facet of the industry as we are.
You are correct that at $6500 - at pre-order price - while it is a lot
of money - there will be very thin profit on the first 1,000 games. We
have a lot of cost in design, engineering, tooling,
etc...etc...etc.....BUT - The next 5,000+ regular games, that's at a
lower price in BOM and a lower sale price too but still wonderful
stuff...... Joe Balcer designed TSPP - that sold 10,000 units. Dennis
Nordman designed POTC, that sold 7,000 units. I have BOTH of them and
Keefer & Co. working on ONE GAME right now. I've basically reassembled
Williams+ so we feel pretty good about what we are working on. Then
there's game #2 and game #3 and so on.
We have no competition as I see it. We are building a completely
different product than any other company. You will not see these games
in Costco or Sears or online sold by every hardware store and butcher
shop. There is room for both companies, hopefully one more too.
I'm happy that our entry into the pinball business has facilitated so
many people to become employed again. As I said a couple of years ago,
I'm not going to participate in the Recession....I'm doing my
part...... Thanks, Jack
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Just emailed
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New News to hand WOW 26"LCD
Dear Pinball Fan:
We have been making great progress on the design on the Emerald City Limited Edition Wizard of Oz.
The playfield layout is complete and the design team is starting to build the whitewood as well as begin the design of the unique mechanisms and model the toys that will become this wonderful game.
We are using a 26" widescreen Commercial LCD in the backbox which will display the beautiful backglass art that Jerry VanderStelt is working on right now.
The team and I are meeting next week in Chicago. After that I expect to be able to report much more details to you.
In response to many customer's requests and because we will need more lead time to release parts to our Vendors to begin production, we have changed the payment schedule as follows:
$1000 - On or before 3/15/11 - Fully Refundable - Can Pay Now
$1000 - On or before 6/15/11 - Fully Refundable
8/1/11 - Order is Confirmed and Reserved as a Special Order - we had to move this date to get a firm game count in order to give our Vendors enough time to produce parts if we are to begin building games late this year.
$1000 - On or before 9/15/11
$500 - On or before 10/15/11 - Customers asked for this
$500 - On or before 11/15/11 - Customers asked for this
$2250 - On or before 12/15/11 as production begins
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This deposit is perhaps for a few "the hardest"....after all, you have not "seen" anything yet. You do know my reputation and track record. You also know the same about our Team, Joe Balcer, Dennis Nordman, Keith Johnson, Jerry VanderStelt, Greg Freres, Chris Granner, Jim Thornton, Matt Reisterer + More to come.
The www.JerseyJackPinball.com web site is being built and will be up shortly and you will be able to follow what's happening as it develops.
Thanks again for your continued confidence in us and your Good Wishes. We are all working to make this happen for you! The suggestions and advice are appreciated as well.
Talk soon, Jack
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I cant wait too see what it could look like and stuff #*#
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March 26, 2011
Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. (JJP) announces that it has signed an Agreement with Planetary Pinball Supply, Inc, (PPS) a Williams Electronics Games, Inc (WEG) licensee to utilize pinball replacement parts within its new platform of pinball machines.
Their games will be produced using selected parts from PPS including certain Williams® and Bally® replacement parts and assemblies. This will allow Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. to build the best playing games using proven parts to produce the most reliable and durable games in the industry.
As part of the agreement, Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. will have full access to the roughly 40 pinball patents assigned to PPS.
"We are thrilled and elated that this could even be possible. It's an amazing step in building full feature games where the player is connected to the game action for the ultimate fun experience" stated Jack Guarnieri, President of Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc.
Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. will also be utilizing PPS capabilities for parts manufacture, artwork production, and other elements supporting game design and production. As part of the agreement, PPS will be distributing Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. parts through its worldwide distributor network. Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. gets a head start in using many parts that are already available in the marketplace.
The buyers of the Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. games get the advantage of readily available familiar parts used in the games as well. "We are excited to help bring the proven replacement parts capability into the Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. platform, and look forward to world class games using world class parts" Stated PPS President Rick Bartlett.
This Agreement brings the best loved elements of Pinball together with this new platform which help move the pinball market forward. PPS and JJP shared goal is to build games that enhance player experience, fill the requests of the current player base and build new generations of players.
BALLY is a trademark of Caesars License Company, LLC.
WILLIAMS is a trademark of Williams Electronics Games, Inc.
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I think that was expected, but it is great news for the hobby, potentially expanding the range of available parts for our old WMS titles. Be interesting what other arrangements the WMS licensee and JJP come up with in time - who knows, maybe there will be a real MM re-release one of these days?
And Lyman back at Stern.
Pinball Paradise!! #*#
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What a cash cow MM would be . :D
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Been kinda watching this since the thread started.
Honestly I'm very happy to see this happening. What a cast! I'm sure this will be a fantastic game. My only wish is that either 1) I had started my current job a year earlier or 2) this was all happening a year later, though obviously the sooner the better for the health of pinball.
It's likely that success with this venture will lead to more future titles. But dangit, I'm a life-long resident of Kansas and I really want this game. But alas, I won't be in a position to possibly buy a NIB game until next year because for the remainder of this one I'll be catching up on several previous years of crappy USA employment picture. If only I could have a game held for a year with the first deposit amount (hint hint, hehe). Oh well. A great game is still a great game down the road too. I can be pretty happy playing somebody else's and maybe own one of my own on a later date.
Well at least things have turned the corner for me. Things were getting pretty desperate.
Best of luck to all on this venture. May the builders make a fortune and the buyers be totally awestruck.
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New to hand <..>
second toy
and the music when the ball is ejected into the shooter lane
http://jerseyjackpinball.com/ftybr_2011-03-11.mp3.
The second Toy to be revealed on the upcoming Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine is something that everyone will love to hit! The Wicked Witch of the West will be brought to life to taunt, tease, scare and to melt.
The concept model was made of foamcore and sheet styrene. It helps us visualize how the mechanism may look and operate. The three targets are at playfield level and the witch sits above them. The witch can appear when we want her to, either randomly or by achieving some goal. She can also disappear when we want her to, either randomly or by some series of shots. She can also melt by slowly sinking into the playfield. She won't be available for 'Melting Mode' until some other goals are met - perhaps meeting Scarecrow, Tin Man and Lion, and the player going to OZ, first.
There are three targets in front of her, two one-inch and one half-inch in between them. When she appears, there could be a bonus amount that is shown on the LCD. Hit the half inch target only to make her disappear right away and collect the full bonus. If one of the yellow targets is hit first, the bonus starts decreasing and both of the other targets must be hit to make her disappear and collect the decreasing bonus. The bonus will decrease to X amount, never to 0.
Some possibilities may include if the player hits only the small red target each time she appears, X number of hits will start WITCH FIREBALL MULTIBALL.
The unique and proprietary mechanisms that are being created for The Wizard of Oz Pinball are Property of Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc.
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Let's hope the whole is more than the sum of the parts.. ..
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Has anyone on the forum pre-ordered, or are we all in a 'wait and see' mode?
andrew
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Has anyone on the forum pre-ordered, or are we all in a 'wait and see' mode?
andrew
On another forum I use, they have about 10 members who have pre-ordered
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I reckon its exciting having new toys and a new pinball can't wait to see the end result.
Peter $#$
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just noticed these
(http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/images/17.jpg)
(http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/images/16.jpg)
They are on here: http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/inthenews.asp (http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/inthenews.asp)
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Has anyone on the forum pre-ordered, or are we all in a 'wait and see' mode?
andrew
I have
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more info
http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack6.html
The link contains black and white art work for the game <..>
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more info
http://www.pinballnews.com/news/jerseyjack6.html
You could at least tell them the link contains black and white art work for the game %$%
EDIT
Interesting, on the WoZ forum, Jack has posted that he has deposits for more than half of the 1000 games he is planing to make
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Interesting, on the WoZ forum, Jack has posted that he has deposits for more than half of the 1000 games he is planing to make
Im already down for a WOZ, didn't know there was a dedicated forum, can you post the link?
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Im already down for a WOZ, didn't know there was a dedicated forum, can you post the link?
PM sent
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/WOZballoon.jpg)
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I was watching a ABC Television show the other night, a show called 4 Corners. Excellent show, been around for 30 plus years.
The Australian retail economy, is at its worst, since the last worst economy, over 27 years ago. I am assuming the USA economy is similar, with some saying their dollar is the worst, also for aprox 30 years etc. My personal opinion is, that we need to get rid of the labour government in this country, and although I reckon the USA president Barrack Obama is doing a much better job than Bush ever did, the USA population needs to make a scapegoat of someone to turn the economy around.
A change of governments can only bring about more confidence in the $$ economy. I think things economy wise, will still get alot worse before they get better.
If company's like STERN and Jersey Jack dont come up with AMAZING titles, they will simply go broke.
Personally, the Wizard of Oz is a BAD CHOICE. If u emailed 1000 pinball players/collectors and asked them to put up a title they would like to see built, i dont think one person would have picked a movie title from the 1940's. It would seem that STERN isnt the only company without some 2011 imagination. I hope it is a amazing machine. It would have to be in order to spend over $6500 in this slow economy. !@#
NOTE - I will add, since the project ia already on its way, that if done right, with great imagination and use of the Wicked Witch on the broomstick, and all the cast members of the movie (tin man, cowardly lion, scarecrow, dorothy, red shoes, flying house, Kansas and the tornado etc), it just might be good enough to remind alot of people about their childhood, which the Wizard of Oz movie was to alot of people. I really hope they do a amazing job on the playfield with toys and features). It might just sell well, although a very unusual first choice ? !@#
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Just a guess, but it's possible that the Wizard of Oz theme might have been picked from the list because there is a very successful recent slot machine that used that theme. The close ties with pinball/slots being what it is, that might be part of it. Also, here in the US the Wizard of Oz is probably more "home-grown culture" than other countries. It plays on TV every year on some holiday (I think Easter?) and everybody is familiar with and fond of the story. As for me, growing up and living in Kansas all my life (though in the "big" city rather than rural) it is probably even a little more appealing.
There's something to be said about choosing a classic theme with a wealth of iconic visual, musical and sound sources to choose from instead of gambling on the latest "blockbuster" movie. Remember that TZ was just kind of a cult TV program theme and it was one of the most successful games. Addams Family was a decent, goofy movie, but that's not what made the pin sell how it did. The pin was successful because it was a well-executed game - not because the theme was something that folks just had to have. Plus until a movie is complete and you see it, there's no way to judge whether it is actually any good or just another marketing flash-in-the-pan that will be forgotten in a year or two. As you know, these days movies are very rarely any good. Even Avatar was just so-so overall (great visuals, lazy story and music) though it was billed to be a quantum leap. Bands have a much narrower audience to appeal to yet.
Anyways, in my opinion Wizard of Oz theme was a solid choice and it's likely to be a darned good machine. Movies might be a crap shoot, but with the cast of characters involved in making this game I don't see how it can fail in the "fun" category. Whether it's a business success or not we'll have to wait and see. I have a pretty decent job these days and I'd really like to order one for myself, but it doesn't fit into my budget yet (maybe next year it would have). It's true the general economy makes it tough to bet on anybody spending money on your product. IF I had it, I'd blow my money and order a Wizard of Oz machine. I don't have it currently though and will just have to play somebody else's. I still have a few quarters.
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Dont forget the jump in pinball here, Wizard of Oz was about dorothy going into a colour world... pinball will have a colour display! from the world going for black and white to colour in the movie. Orange to colour in pinball :lol
I would buy one if I could afford it and I definately think this title will go up in value also... especially if stern and Jersey Jack go bankrupt!
I hope not Jack seems to have some great Ideas for pinball !!! Wait! maybe Jack will bring pinball back from the grave! $#$
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Ahhh, that makes more sense if the Wizard of Oz movie has a following where it is played every year at easter etc in the USA. Add in the succesful slot machine, and u can see the tie-in. Maybe the gambling industry has a few connections to the pinball industry via Jacks etc.
Maybe the Pinball will be a winner afterall. Hope so. Cant wait to see the finished product. Might be very worrying to STERN. !@#
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Dont forget the jump in pinball here, Wizard of Oz was about dorothy going into a colour world... pinball will have a colour display! from the world going for black and white to colour in the movie. Orange to colour in pinball :lol
I like this idea
start the game off with the display looking like a boring old orange DMD, then, get to OZ, and the display bursts into color
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... Maybe the gambling industry has a few connections to the pinball industry via Jacks etc.
...Might be very worrying to STERN.
The gambling industry tie-in makes me wonder if the recent slot machine effort has already streamlined the copyrights issue too. The more I think about it, the theme choice may turn out to be a little bit of genius for a first effort.
Even the abbreviation is kind of cool - WOO ! #*# It's like a little celebration every time you use it.
Regarding Stern, if nothing else, if it's successful maybe it will serve as a lesson to Stern that they've got lazy and settled into a tired formula of chasing movies for themes. Though they did do a Wheel of Fortune a while back which has both a wide audience appeal and the gambling tie-in (successful slot machines with the WOF theme) and I don't know for sure but I got the impression it was a fairly successful game effort.
Sure wish I had an extra 7-grand laying around.
The morphing into color thing would be neat. I know one machine I always thought I'd like is the old DE "Time Machine" because of the way the sounds morph as it moves through different eras. They missed this in Star Trek because they could have had it travel back in time as they like to do on the screen. They could have fuzzed up the sounds to be fuzzy radio transmission and clear up when going back into subspace times. Even could have moved backward in time to before electricity at the end of a multiball so none of the solenoids work anymore so the balls have nothing to do but roll downhill and drain to end the mode, hehe.
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I must admit I wasn't sold on the Wizard of Oz theme, but Vinito has some of great views and ideas on this - thanks Vinito. I really hope this pinball steps it up and pushes the boundaries of design and then encouraging STERN and possibly other people to get enthusiastic and advance the game into the next level of pinball.
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Dont forget the jump in pinball here, Wizard of Oz was about dorothy going into a colour world... pinball will have a colour display! from the world going for black and white to colour in the movie. Orange to colour in pinball :lol
I like this idea
start the game off with the display looking like a boring old orange DMD, then, get to OZ, and the display bursts into color
Is this actually locked in as a design feature or has the idea spawned from this discussion??
Its about the coolest thing ive heard for a pinball for many years... what a great idea!
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Dont forget the jump in pinball here, Wizard of Oz was about dorothy going into a colour world... pinball will have a colour display! from the world going for black and white to colour in the movie. Orange to colour in pinball :lol
I like this idea
start the game off with the display looking like a boring old orange DMD, then, get to OZ, and the display bursts into color
Is this actually locked in as a design feature or has the idea spawned from this discussion??
yes
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Dont forget the jump in pinball here, Wizard of Oz was about dorothy going into a colour world... pinball will have a colour display! from the world going for black and white to colour in the movie. Orange to colour in pinball :lol
I like this idea
start the game off with the display looking like a boring old orange DMD, then, get to OZ, and the display bursts into color
Is this actually locked in as a design feature or has the idea spawned from this discussion??
yes
Discussion, i was thining overall and not that specific machine... that could be a good feature *%*
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For those who don't get the pin journal updates, here is the 13th June Art Package release.
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For those not registered with Jersey Jack updates here is the latest release from them.
"Greetings Pinball Fans!
Happy Father's Day to all of the Dad's out there. We hope you all enjoy your day today!
This past week our Design Team continues to construct the whitewood playfield and begin the process of wiring so they can start "shooting" the game.
This is the process which enables them to take what was flat in lines and circles on drawings and translate it all to game play.
In this next two weeks the game will come alive and more design elements such as placing of inserts, tweaking toys and targets and every element of the game gets more defined. This will allow artist Greg Freres to begin his playfield drawings.
With the approval from Warner Brothers, Jerry VanderStelt has begun to hand paint the full color canvas for the backglass art of the game. This is very exciting as we will see this art in a few weeks and it will be released as soon as it is approved by Warner Brothers.
Today Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. is proud to release the black and white drawing for the right cabinet design artwork. While you are only seeing a black and white image on the cabinet, the final artwork will be shown in full, bright colors. Jerry has created the seven unique works of art for the cabinet and he will draw each by hand on canvas. It is expected that it will take several weeks for him to complete each canvas.
Today, we are also releasing a drawing of the two upper mini playfields. The game is designed to have the "Good" elements on the right and the "Evil" elements on the left.
The first upper playfield on the right side is Munchkinland which will have Dorothy's House. The playfield has one flipper and as you hit the ball on the ramp shot, the ball travels counter clock-wise around the Dorothy's house causing it to spin.
One of the toys in the game is a Flying Monkey that will swoop down and capture a ball (Dorothy) and bring it back to the upper playfield now known as The Witch's Castle. This playfield is on the left rear of the game. This playfield also has one flipper and you must complete a target sequence to release the captive ball (Dorothy) Next week we will tell you how you get up to both of these upper playfields.
There is so much more detail to emerge about this game but every week there will be more and more. Thanks again and enjoy Father's Day."[/i]
The artwork is the same as my last post.
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Some interesting ideas there
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I like it so far (apart from the theme!). In terms of gameplay it is sounding interesting.
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I like it so far (apart from the theme!). In terms of gameplay it is sounding interesting.
I agree looks like fun.
Peter
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it will be nice to see this baby in full colour
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Next newsletter update
"Hello Pinball Fans!
Today Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. is proud to unveil the left side of the playfield of the Wizard of Oz Pinball.
This game is really packed from bottom to top with lots of mechanical toys and features which all add up to great game play and fun.
From the bottom up, last week we revealed the State Fair Balloon Bumper. This is a game below the game and spelling targets encourage the player to nudge the ball using that bumper as a flipper and trying to save the ball by returning it back up the lane into play or earn a qualifying game or even to get another ball awarded.
Moving up we now see the Crystal Ball Spinner shot that ties a spinning target to the Crystal Ball that will enable mystery awards and other qualified awards.
Next we see the three haunted Forest Tree Bumpers and some rollovers representing the main characters in the forest which reward point value and awards to the player.
Matt will be sculpting all of these bumpers so they are unique and add another dimension to the game.
Next we find the Wicked Witch of the West on the edge of the Haunted Forest where she will appear and disappear messing with the player. There are skill shots to hit her and make her melt into the playfield.
The upper left playfield is the Witch's Castle. Once up there you will have different opportunities for scoring and mode advancement. The player must also open the doors of the castle to rescue the Dorothy captive ball.
There is also a Winkie Guard drop target preventing you from entering the Witch's Castle so you will have to get by him somehow to get up to that Witch's Castle.
Many elements of the left side of the playfield represent the "Evil darker side" of the story we tell. Next we will show you more of the right side of the playfield.
Remember that there are only a few days left to reserve your game at the Pre-Order price of $6500.00
More updates are coming and next we begin to announce our factory authorized distributors in the US and Internationally."
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QUESTION -
Has anyone here (member of AP) pre-ordered a Wizard of Oz Pinball machine ? or is anyone going to wait and then order for a higher price (or even wait again) to see if the price drops when the first few hundred have been sold and they want more sales etc. ? !@#
Will this machine work in Australia ? does anyone know if it can work over here ? IMPORTANT question with only a few days to go for pre-order etc. !@# !@#
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Just do it Brett , enough jabberwocky .
The ones heading to OZ will be specked up to suite Australia,
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Just do it Brett , enough jabberwocky .
The ones heading to OZ will be specked up to suite Australia,
True, weather you put your money down right at the start with Jack to reserve your machine, to help get the numbers up or you jump in with Company that has just jump on board in the last couple of weeks before closing to become the official distributor for all Wizard of Oz pinball machines in Australia you will get a OZ specked up machine.
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QUESTION -
Has anyone here (member of AP) pre-ordered a Wizard of Oz Pinball machine ? or is anyone going to wait and then order for a higher price (or even wait again) to see if the price drops when the first few hundred have been sold and they want more sales etc. ? !@#
Will this machine work in Australia ? does anyone know if it can work over here ? IMPORTANT question with only a few days to go for pre-order etc. !@# !@#
I think there are a few of us here who have a pre-order Brett.....take the leap of faith (well not such a leap with all this info around now)!
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Its great to see that a number of people are giving this machine a go. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ For the lousy $250 deposit paid before the end of the month and the further $1000 in a week or two for the second installment, i guess its worth a shot.
Although at first the title seemed a little dated, this machine seems like a new version of something special like the Bing Bang Bar pinball did. But this time, a better machine will be the end result with some new and interesting technologies hopefully.
NEXT QUESTION -
* WILL STERN PLAY CATCH UP AND MATCH OR BETTER JERSEY JACK NEXT YEAR AND WILL WE ALL HAVE A BETTER MODERN PINBALL MACHINE, or will STERN give up n fold.
INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD. !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# !@# !@#
p.s- ANT u have convinced me to give this title a go with a deposit n order sent. ^^^
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Its great to see that a number of people are giving this machine a go. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ For the lousy $250 deposit paid before the end of the month and the further $1000 in a week or two for the second installment, i guess its worth a shot.
Although at first the title seemed a little dated, this machine seems like a new version of something special like the Bing Bang Bar pinball did. But this time, a better machine will be the end result with some new and interesting technologies hopefully.
NEXT QUESTION -
* WILL STERN PLAY CATCH UP AND MATCH OR BETTER JERSEY JACK NEXT YEAR AND WILL WE ALL HAVE A BETTER MODERN PINBALL MACHINE, or will STERN give up n fold.
INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD. !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# !@# !@#
p.s- ANT u have convinced me to give this title a go with a deposit n order sent. ^^^
Stern will step up to the mark (I think) and we will see some awesome pinball produced in the near future .
Nice going with the order mate ^^^
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Put my deposit down for 2, 2 mates have also ordered 1.
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Its great to see that a number of people are giving this machine a go. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ For the lousy $250 deposit paid before the end of the month and the further $1000 in a week or two for the second installment, i guess its worth a shot.
Although at first the title seemed a little dated, this machine seems like a new version of something special like the Bing Bang Bar pinball did. But this time, a better machine will be the end result with some new and interesting technologies hopefully.
NEXT QUESTION -
* WILL STERN PLAY CATCH UP AND MATCH OR BETTER JERSEY JACK NEXT YEAR AND WILL WE ALL HAVE A BETTER MODERN PINBALL MACHINE, or will STERN give up n fold.
INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD. !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# ^^^ !@# !@# !@#
p.s- ANT u have convinced me to give this title a go with a deposit n order sent. ^^^
Well done Brett good stuff I dont think your be dissapointed it looks great.
Peter
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For those who have just order a WOZ congrats ,Jack will invite you to his private WOZ forum ,if you don't get the link just email him .
You can also lodge on and register where in the world your WOZ will be living.
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Years ago i went to see some cockney wide boy sell stuff on stage.. you all know the score.. he has plants in the audience that purchase stuff to kick it all off and then gullible punters start to buy crap for "not 10 quid, not even 5 quid... all im asking today only is 4 quid and its yours to take home darling"..... yeh - you all know the score.
Right at the end he asked who would give him 10 quid for whats on his mind... amazingly, plenty of people put their hands up and bought sealed boxes not even knowing what was inside.
Now dont get me wrong.. im not suggesting that Jack is a con artist... but i honestly cannot think of any other situation where people would be prepared to part with good money on something unseen and even unspecified... in fact, a name and the promise of a product at the end of a working thought process.
Pinball is friggin wierd! !@# !@#
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Totally correct Gav. At the start of this thread i was highly skeptical, but i didnt know what i know now from members who have more experience and knowledge of Jersy Jack than i did.
Given everything is refundable, its worth a go for a possible one off, or something that should be special. If it doesnt go great, there are plenty of others in the USA who will be lined up before us few Aussies, but on this guys reputation, i will give it a go.
I like STERN, but i dont see any magic with their lineup, maybe a 26inch LCD monitor in the back of this Wizard of Oz pinball will be the start of a very special machine.
It has to be a step up on a Stern or this Jersey Jack will look like a idiot. Ego alone shld get this one over the line, or Jersey Jack will have Gary Stern saying I told ya so.
They both have plenty of money, lets hope Jack has more ego and can deliver a special machine. PINBALL WARS - BRING IT ON ! ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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Right side of the playfield
Greetings Pinball Fans:
Today as June ends, Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. has released the right "Good Side" of the playfield for the Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine.
Some of the detail is listed below but this side has two magnets, two flippers, the upper Munchkinland playfield with Dorothy's Spinning House and a Throne Room where different awards are collected.
-Shooter lane plunger will have multiple opening shots available and selectable to the player to collect awards
-The right outlane is a game in itself attempting to rollover all T-O-T-O rollovers to collect award value
-Shoot into the WOZ Throne Room to collect awards and start modes
-Shoot right to left loop shot to get to Flying Monkey lock, top lanes, and around to Haunted Forest Tree Bumpers
-Shoot Top O-Z Lanes to collect award values
-Shoot R-A-I-N-B-O-W targets to collect awards and start modes
-Shoot Emerald City ramp to lock balls, enter Munchkinland, and collect awards
-Shoot multiple loop shots in Munchkinland to spin House with the goal to land the House on the WWE, plus award values
-Shoot lit rollover buttons Lion, Tinman, and Scarecrow to pick up these characters along the Yellow Brick Road to start modes and award values
There is a lot more detail than meets the eye on this drawing but that will come too. Next week we will have a report from our Jersey Jack Pinball Midwest Campus where whitewood games are being assembled.
Until then, Have a very safe and Happy July 4th Weekend and celebrate the Freedom we have in the good old USA - Home of Pinball !
http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs004/...178/img/35.jpg
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The gameplay is looking good, lots to aim for.
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Interesting, the outlane entrances look like ball drainers, slightly wide than standard, especially the angle of the left. I don't know why you'd want to 'play' the outlanes, something different I suppose !@#
Some cool ramps and FIVE flippers!
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Oooooeeee that playfield design is certainly looking interesting, cannot wait to see this when it is finished. The descriptions of the upper playfield and what I've seen of the playfield toys is something different that we haven't seen from Stern. Bring it on!!!!!
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Looks like stern is in need of a new moto... their current one is false advirtising!
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Looks like stern is in need of a new moto... their current one is false advirtising!
No need to change it until the first one rolls off the Jersey Jack production line.
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How many people remember watching the Wizard of Oz Movie when they were kids, or at least a teenager. ? I have fond memories because my mum would always put it on and I was about 9 yrs old. I must have watched it fifty or a hundred times.
My favourite scene was watching the witch getting flattened by the house, the scary old hag. %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
This playfield deskription looks very interesting. The 26 inch lcd monnitor is a massive drawcard if it goes ahead.
This might be a very special pinball for alot of different reasons. ^^^
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Greetings Pinball Fans,
This week we report on some of what's going on at the JJP Midwest Campus as the game design and development continues at a fever pitch.
The whitewood game is shooting and the Design Team are working on many elements and aspects of the game as it is no longer just a one dimensional drawing or a 3D Model.
The continued input from every member of the Team as well as the level of new things that are created is amazing. Jack said " my head is spinning like Dorothy's house".
Chris Granner continues to make music, Greg and Keith are working to place inserts in the playfield with a careful touch to incorporate rules as Greg gets ready to take pencil to paper to layout the artwork for the playfield.
Jerry Vanderstelt is working to complete his seven works of art on canvas, now all in color and lots of mechanical drawings are going to Vendors to create all kinds of parts for game production.
Many people have asked what makes these 1,000 Emerald City games unique and collectible, here are some of the things that make them special and prized:
-Limited to 1,000 games with each game having a special numbered plaque affixed to the game, on the front of the cabinet - # of 1,000 etc....
-Hand Signed Certificate of Authenticity by design team with each game. This will be produced in a special collectible way.
-Body armor treated in a special finish that Matt has chosen with Jerry. The four legs, side rails, hinges, lockdown bar, etc.
-The back glass is in a special mirror effect finish.
-A custom Topper which will be unique to the Emerald City Limited Edition game.
-Included Shaker Motor which will be unique to the Emerald City Limited Edition game.
A number of other things are under consideration such as inclusion of non-glare playfield glass, goodie-bag, spare parts package, leg protectors, etc. are in the mix and we will disclose them in coming weeks.
JJP is proud to announce that Norb from KingPin Games, Inc. has been added as a factory authorized distributor. Based in North Freedom Wisconsin, Norb is a well known industry veteran who loves Pinball. See www.kingpingames.net.
More details during the week when we announce several more JJP distributors.
This past week game orders topped 800 and there are requests Internationally for an additional 360 games which will be allocated to allow for individuals to buy games but time is growing shorter to lock in a game for those who have not yet done so.
Stay tuned, much more coming soon.
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Greetings Pinball Fans:
As the heat rises this Summer, the water is getting a lot warmer as the Team continues to work through the development of the whitewood game at the Midwest Campus.
The playfield is now fully shooting and Jack had an opportunity to be there for a couple of days last week and the report is that all is going very well.
Greg Freres showed his layout for inserts and the first renderings of the playfield art which in Jack's words were "awesome" as it begins to capture what the playfield will come to be in hand drawn art.
This week we show a couple more pictures of the whitewood.
JJP is proud to announce that Industry Veteran Game Designer Bryan Hansen has joined Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. Bryan is best known for Capcom's Pinball Magic but Bryan is also known for his creation of many other hit amusement and arcade games through his company Entergament, Inc. www.entergament.com
Bryan will work with the Team in mechanical design, development and support. Bryan has already created several prototype designs for amusement games that are "ready to go" and JJP will explore how some of those games can be brought to market commercially.
"Bryan is a great guy who has a wonderful talent and his creativity, imagination and passion fit perfectly into our company" stated Jersey Jack Guarnieri.
It is with great pride and enormous enthusiasm we are announcing Ministry of Pinball has obtained the exclusive rights to sell Jersey Jack Pinball machines in the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium. "We are feeling like a little kid on Christmas morning" says Bertjan Postma, owner of the Ministry of Pinball company. "We are very proud that we are the ones to represent JJP. We truly believe that Jack will make history amongst pinball enthusiasts with his Limited Edition Emerald City Jersey Jack Pinball Wizard of Oz pinball machines, and all other games that will follow after the WOZ as well. We believe that with the passion that Jack is putting in this, the result will be very inspiring."
"Bertjan lives Pinball. He will do us proud and I welcome him" stated Jack Guarnieri.
Ministry of Pinball is a new name on the firmament but owner Bertjan Postma is no newcomer to the business, "have been importing new and used games from Canada and the USA for years now". We are very proud that we have a very satisfied and loyal customer base throughout the Benelux countries.
With the promise of a No-haggle support system combined with the use of Bally-Williams parts, support by our fully trained technical department will be a snap.
Bertjan Postma
Ministry of Pinball
Aalscholveroever 8
2492 TG Den Haag The Netherlands
Phone 0031 (0) 6 55306474
info@ministryofpinball.nl
www.ministryofpinball.nl
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looks good
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Looks interesting.. ..
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In all honesty... it looks like most pinball layouts... BUT!!!
The reverse targets on the side lane drains... i could be wrong here, but i havent seen that since a 1940's pinny.
This is a real throw back to pre flipper days, where the ball is draining but a last ditch attempt to gather more points is made by using your body against the machine. Body language and pinball back to the fore!
I think this is awesome... i really do... its a pinball skill that got lost and is one that any woodrail owner will tell you is imperative!
Quickly shaping up to be one hell of a pinny this machine
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I always played pinball like I'm a corpse but on a woodrail your lucky to get a flip without bumping the game so that left drain is a great idea.
I must say it looks a lot better than tron
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Dunno about the shoe's on the flippers !@#
Other than that it looks pretty cool, the Crystal Ball looks great.
Trying to work out what is happening on the right mini-playfield.
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As Summer vacation is in full swing, just know that the JJP Team is busy at work creating an awesome game for you. Today we lift the veil in a stealth snapshot to reveal the whole whitewood playfield layout.
While there are obviously a number of elements not complete, the picture is worth a thousand words and then some.
We are also attaching a link to more music that Sound Master Chris Granner is working on. The amount of energy and passion going into this game will make players happy for years to come.
We are proud to announce that Buddy Herron of Mountain Entertainment in Wise Virginia has become a factory authorized distributor. Buddy is a well liked distributor and operator for many years and he has a great way with his customers. More information will be posted on the JJP site in a few days.
Stay tuned JJP Fans as we have another release set for tomorrow!
New Sound Track
http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/offtoseethewizard.mp3
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These guys are doing a tremendous job, and I like the information they are feeding us - A great teaser of what appears to be an awesome machine.
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It's a wide body
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Greetings Pinball Fans;
What a treat, two updates in two days! Today we give you a better idea of what the Emerald City Limited Edition Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine will be.
Unique to the Emerald City Limited Edition Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine:
-Limited to 1,000 units
-Each game will have a numbered plaque affixed to the game, on the front of the cabinet - # of 1,000 etc....
-Certificate of Authenticity, hand signed by the Design Team
-Body armor is in the Emerald Green/Black special finish that Matt has chosen with Jerry. The four legs, side rails, hinges, lockdown bar.
-Emerald Green Mirror effect backglass framing a commercial 26" Wells Gardner LCD monitor which will display scores, animation, movie clips, attract mode, backglass artwork and more.
-Optical non-reflective playfield glass.
-Interactive Emerald City Limited Edition Topper
-Shaker Motor
The game includes:
-Hand drawn playfield, plastic set, decal set by artist Greg Freres. Four major mechanical toys; Dorothy's Spinning House, the Witch's Castle, Flying Monkey, Melting Witch.
-Two mini playfields, three Trumper-Bumpers, one Balloon Bumper, Two magnets, One Spinning target, Crystal Ball, Rollover targets, Winkie Guard drop target, Five Bally/Williams Flippers which include Two Ruby Red Slipper Flippers. (Standard Flipper Bats Available by Request)
-Full color cabinet and backbox artwork created by artist Jerry VanderStelt will be screened on the highest grade adhesive backed vinyl and printed with UV stabilized inks.
-Digital Stereo sound system which will boom the music and effects created by SoundMaster, Chris Granner. Front of game audio connection jack for headphone/ear bud. Component audio connection jack at rear of game.
-Bally / Williams Parts
-One Year Warranty
Oh, by the way.......the Wizard of Oz is a Wide Body Game! It is the same dimensionally as a Twilight Zone.
The only way to pack all of the features and elements that the Design Team wanted to incorporate in this game was to make it a wide body game. As we all know, the size of the back box is the same for a standard or wide body Williams game so it takes up the same footprint in either model.
The best thing is that we get more room to create and you get more room to play pinball! Of the top most popular pinball machines of all-time, three are wide body games. The last wide body to be built was in 1995 with Road Show.
Jack was asked now and then these past months if the game would be a wide body and he said "I just started a pinball company. If you think I would do a wide body as our first game, you must also think I'm crazy!" Now we know.
For all of our loyal customers who have joined us on the Yellow Brick Road, we appreciate your trust and confidence in us. It is because of you that we are able to create this game and propel pinball into the next age, growing a bigger player base that will love and treasure pinball as much as we do for generations to come.
There are many more surprises about this game to be revealed. Next week, we will upload a Video Clip of Game Play on the Whitewood Playfield.
While we would like to tell you everything, it's going to be more fun to show them to you as we go along and ultimately when you open the box and setup your new game, that's the very best!
We're off to see The Wizard!
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With the pull-out day approaching, the question has been asked on a few forums if any one is pulling out of this project
I have been in since the beginning, but I am not sure the game is a keeper
I am keeping the option open to get it, play a few times and sell
I was luke-warm on the theme, still am
The white wood pics have not excited me,
Too much hoopla over pieces that will mean very little to game play
Eg Dorothy’s spinning house
The pop-bumper and the ‘Wizard’ targets down the left outlane
Maybe when I see how the LCD is incorporated in the look of the game I will be more excited
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With the pull-out day approaching, the question has been asked on a few forums if any one is pulling out of this project
I have been in since the beginning, but I am not sure the game is a keeper
I am keeping the option open to get it, play a few times and sell
I was luke-warm on the theme, still am
The white wood pics have not excited me,
Too much hoopla over pieces that will mean very little to game play
Eg Dorothy’s spinning house
The pop-bumper and the ‘Wizard’ targets down the left outlane
Maybe when I see how the LCD is incorporated in the look of the game I will be more excited
I agree Pete... im not a buyer of this machine by any means... but im still not that excited about the theme and even though some aspects look good... its not enough for me to acrually wish i was in on this project.
To be completely honest.. im waiting to see how this one turns out and then would consider a possible purchase of an Elvira # 3 machine.
Jack is asking for a lot of faith to be put into a progressive project.. al power to him and i hope those who have put down money and are running with this will not be disapointed. But were you to ask a business man if being a purchaser of an incomplete project was a good investment or not.. then you know the answer.
Time will tell on all this.. but seems to me the only ones that may be worth having are the first 1000... after that.. well.. who cares?
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But were you to ask a business man if being a purchaser of an incomplete project was a good investment or not.. then you know the answer.
But If you were to ask a gambler ?
Its good to see someone else having a go, and if nothing else
it has given stern a bit of a kick up the bum
Hard to make judgment on WOZ but at least he is introducing some new technology into it
I am wishing JJPB all the best the more new pinball titles on the market
the better it is for pinball ^^^
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I signed up early, & look forward to picking it up in 2012. the plan is to operate it & hopefully give Stern a wake up call. Stop the cheap quality product that they are producing. This August I get to fork out money to get replacement MPU's for my Rolling Stones & Iron Man manufactured this year. They will exchange the mpu's hopefully for good ones (they remain dead at power up at times), but I have to pay shipping both ways to my Canadian Distributor.
Still haven't heard about my broken Mic plastic.
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Interesting to see what the Aussies say about the WOZ, I'm from New York, First I'm shocked and feel bad they you have to pay so much shipping. I'm surprised no one has made a group purchase type of set up to combine the shipping to save money. I'm surprised Jack didn't help with that, of if anyone asked him to. But it's good to see all the interest, I didn't know if the theme for Wizard of Oz was too popular for Aussies but it seems you have a similar love/hate for the theme as the Americans do. Personally I think it's a good theme with LOTs of possibilities, I'm ordering one and VERY excited to get it.
Ron
NY Pinball
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But were you to ask a business man if being a purchaser of an incomplete project was a good investment or not.. then you know the answer.
But If you were to ask a gambler ?
Its good to see someone else having a go, and if nothing else
it has given stern a bit of a kick up the bum
Hard to make judgment on WOZ but at least he is introducing some new technology into it
I am wishing JJPB all the best the more new pinball titles on the market
the better it is for pinball ^^^
so what your saying is that your gambler. #@#
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Hi Pinball Fans,
We shot a quick video the other day, so as promised, we have attached the first video clip of the Wizard of Oz Whitewood shooting!
While the major toys, spinning house, flying monkey, melting Witch and Witch's Castle are not even included in this video, we wanted to give you a sneak peek.
Winkie Guard and balloon bumper are not set, music is just for background for this video......
Here you go!
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Bad move with that stock sound track blasting away in the background, make an already iffy theme a little more unattractive.
Playfield on the other hand looks interesting. Something about it looks familiar though, can't quite put my finger on it.. ..
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Bad move with that stock sound track blasting away in the background
Probably just wanted/needed to have something other than the dry, crispy mechanical sounds of a pin going on. That's one thing about pinball since the 70's is the programmed sounds & soundtrack make the gameplay seem "smoother" because the mechanical sounds are somewhat masked by what's coming out of the speaker, transforming it into a different experience. The lack of that is interestingly part of the charm of older games too. Apparently that's the actual game soundtrack too, whether it's the finished version I don't know. So it shows the so-far progress on both fronts.
Anyway, at least it wasn't some goofy, blasting rave music like seems to always be behind most videos of otherwise quiet demo videos made to show hobbyists' projects. I'm really tired of that and still wonder why so many folks almost universally do it. You can still hear the machine's sounds at least.
Playfield on the other hand looks interesting.
Two things strike me as odd.
1. The left upper playfield seems to be a one-second drain machine with no chance of keeping the ball in play up there. Lot of effort and expense for something that doesn't get much gameplay. I remember hearing something about magnets though and I don't see any signs of that anywhere yet. Maybe that's still missing and will change the way it works?
2. The pop bumper in the left outlane also seems like an expensive and space-consuming thing which doesn't add to gameplay either. So far at least. As before, maybe there's something not installed yet which will change gameplay a bit and make it more relevant also. Or maybe it's already there and simply didn't occur for that short clip.
It's still a whitewood. Probably several tweaks to go before full reveal. It's not a bad idea to keep a couple cards hidden until final release. That's what I would do I think.
Another thing I noticed. These hobbyist jokers have a pretty nice flowing game with original music in just a few short months. Why did it take Coconut Island so much longer to get to that point? #@#
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Another thing I noticed. These hobbyist jokers have a pretty nice flowing game with original music in just a few short months. Why did it take Coconut Island so much longer to get to that point?
Something everyone is asking themselves... just WHY did it take Coconut Island so long???????
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More like "WHY did they bother making Coconut Island!?!"
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After seeing the latest cheap plastic looking offerings from stern ie:TRON and ROLLING STONES this game looks all quality even at whitewood stage,cant wait to see the finished product.better yet elvira.
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There is also a foam rendering of what it will look like on pingame (http://www.pingamejournal.com/current/)
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More like "WHY did they bother making Coconut Island!?!"
Most likely they needed a cover story for why they were spending millions on all those electronic widgets. Didn't want the spy community to find out what these two top agents were really developing.
Rumor has it that microfilm is planted under the cabinet side art, but I don't know whether it's the right or left side so might as well leave it be. The Jersey faction is trying to work it out on their own though, so in time all secrets will be revealed.
I think there's a pinball theme in there somewhere - competing intelligence factions with cover of pinball manufacturers building a game within a game. The easter eggs are dangerous because it causes the machine to self-destruct, but you're having so much fun playing the game that you just can't pull yourself away to a safe distance. "Wile E. Coyote: Suuper Geenius."
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Heres a picture for those who want to see what theintelligent1 was referring to.
The WD-40 represents the "Witch Dead" - the melting witch.
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interestingly, they had the whitewood running in a twilight zone cabinet. !@#
game looks a little easy ? but it is early days. also, i am not a great fan of wire forms criss crossing the playfield right in the guts of the action (hides ball view a little).
early days, but i suspect the whole affair will get alot better as the weeks n months continue on. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
any competition for Stern will be a good thing. *** ( i wonder what STERN thinks of the video and the info so far since i reckon they would be watching intensely). !@# !@#
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yea, someone said the whitewood was a widebody but how did they get in in a twilight zone cab... thats not widebody is it?
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Yep TZ is most definitely a widebody
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Yep TZ is most definitely a widebody
Yeah, a Julia Gillard super-wide body avec red box &&
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Greetings Pinball Fans;
A lot is happening at the JJP Midwest Campus as well as JJP World Headquarters in NJ.
At the MC, our engineers continue to make great progress on the four major toys, the Witch's Castle, Dorothy's House, Melting Witch and the Flying Monkey. They are tweaking the upper flippers, bumpers, targets and every element of the game for optimum play action. As with any good whitewood, there are changes that are made to make the game features more responsive which add to the fun factor of the game. We are sparing no time and no expense to make this game the best possible game it can be. That's not to say we feel rushed to complete the game sooner than later. That's to say we believe we are building the very best game ever built. That's what every member of the Design Team is working passionately towards every day.
Greg Freres continues to work on playfield art as well as direct our Animator to create some really great effects to put on our LCD. Jerry Vanderstelt continues to complete his seven works in full vivid color and we expect them to be completed in about six weeks. Project Manager Jim Thornton is releasing parts to Vendors for sub assemblies and we have added another three people to the company which we will announce in the next coming week!
In NJ we will be cutting the wood for several prototype cabinets later this week and they will be assembled and targeted for completion as full prototype games to be placed on location for testing this December. We are also planning out the factory assembly lines and finished space which will begin to be built out in the next few weeks.
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i am not a great fan of wire forms criss crossing the playfield right in the guts of the action
My dear Brett - obviously you have not experienced the excitement of obtaining a rare X-cross shot in fish tales multiball mode I assume *)*
Woz - my thoughts are I guess like a few others, VERY glad to see actual progress on a game , VERY curious to see what JJ has to say at PPE in a few weeks - VERY VERY dissapointed in what I think is the lamest theme EVER....I mean lets face it pinball IS A MAN'S GAME - what man wants to own anything to do with Wizard of Oz......even watching the youtube clip of the whitewood in action with that bippitty boppitty boo music going made me want to heave.
To make ANY real impact , this MUST end up a decent player with some excellent features because sure as hell the theme wont sell it.
I truly hope to be proven wrong.
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I hear you.
At least this will help them work out bugs in the manufacturing process before they release a machine with a good theme.
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watching the youtube clip of the whitewood in action with that bippitty boppitty boo music going made me want to heave.
*)* Me too mate, hopefully they make something great out of such a lame theme
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I didn't know there were that my WOZ movie fans in pinland to facillitate the making of this title.
Looks and sounds lame as hell to me but and I could think of heaps better themes and ides to splash out for a nib but I have been wrong before.
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Wotto, u are right, Fishtales does have that shot, and I actually scored the wire ramp by accident the other day from a rebound. I thought that was cool, landing on the right wireform from the right flipper. @.@ I will claim it as a assy shot, pulled out of nowhere. %.%
I thought the Wizard of Oz theme was lame when I first read it, but I have changed my mind. Some themes n titles are timeless and everyone in the world knows about dorothy n her red shoes plus the wicked witch so going for a retro theme does actually make sense. If the machine is excellent, it will be the right choice, if the machine is a stinker, then it will be a bad theme. This theme will be much more liked in the USA where the Wizard of Oz is very popular. I am dying to see the LCD screen/backglass.
I reckon everyone will be surprised by this game, and I reckon it will end up being a real eye opener. Have to be positive since I am hoping this new pin company does really well. Will be good for Pinball if they get this machine right. ^^^
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I was talking to the missus this evening about the next Pin purchase and I mentioned this to her thinking not much would come from it.
I said to her I didn't think the theme would be that great , she said that it would a pin that she would buy for sure if it turned out to be a interesting game.
I start to sractch my head and think ok maybe I have got this thing wrong and show her photos of the playfield in development and the layout and where the toys will go etc etc( i have seen these before on my own but now we ponder them together talking about the shots and the toys and how deep the game may be). She loves it...I scratch my head a bit more not sold but intrigued..She says she would prefer this to Transformers as our first NIB.
^&^
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For interest, I just asked my wife the same thing, about a Wizard of Oz Pinball theme, widebody etc, brand new machine 2012 etc etc, and
she said "hell yes, thats a really cool idea". She then asked can you shoot the ball and smash the wicked witch ?, which makes perfect sense. It seems ladys like this theme.
I am dying to buy one of these. I reckon they will have to do a great job on it. Its not like the entire pinball community isnt giving them great feedback. *%* ^^^ ^^^
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For interest, I just asked my wife the same thing, about a Wizard of Oz Pinball theme, widebody etc, brand new machine 2012 etc etc, and
she said "hell yes, thats a really cool idea". She then asked can you shoot the ball and smash the wicked witch ?, which makes perfect sense. It seems ladys like this theme.
I am dying to buy one of these. I reckon they will have to do a great job on it. Its not like the entire pinball community isnt giving them great feedback. *%* ^^^ ^^^
+3,I told my wife about your comments Wotto and she said its is not all about what the blokes want as a lot of women like pinball as well,and she likes the theme ect %.%,looks like you might get an earfull the next time you come over mate :lol.
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I have an original WOZ film strip framed from Movie World QLD, I think this machine would look good next to it *)* I just don't believe I could trade a 1992 Dr Who for it :lol lol
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With Bumper bring in 70+ games (which is a good thing) and people importing their own, it seems that Australia might have over 150 WoZ
It does not feel so 'Limited Edition' anymore :(
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I find the whole LE thing somewhat confusing.
As a collector.. youd only really want the LE version. Which makes the standard not so collectable and cuts its market.
Its even worse when the LE version comes out after the standard has already sold..... collectors then feel cheated.
..I just dont get it
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Update
This week we show a section of our proprietary JJP I/O Board which was developed specifically to meet the needs of our games.
As to what we understand, Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. is the only manufacturer of Pinball machines today that owns their own board system. It has features that are covered under pending patents and because of the sensitivity of what it is, we will only show a small portion of it at this time.
This board has been designed with serviceability as its primary feature. We have decided to use traditional, readily available through-hole components to ensure minimum down time.
Operators, Technicians, and Collectors alike will be pleased at the many features incorporated into our board and into our system which Jack says will "never break anyway...." lol.
The factory warranty on this board is one year and JJP authorized distributors will be able to offer longer periods based on the needs of our mutual customers. The warranty is just a small part of the no-haggle policy of JJP to keep our customers games up and running and keep our players playing.
We continue to complete many items on the checklist. This week Matt gets to show off his latest approved version of his Trumper Bumper Trees and the State Fair Balloon which is at the lower left of the playfield.
This weekend is the big Wizard of Oz Festival in Chesterton, Indiana where JJP has a booth and will be joined by over 40,000 WOZ lovers as well as JJP customers and distributors and even Matt will make an appearance. Booth #1201. If you are local, stop by and say hello. Visit www.ozfestivalchesterton.com.
Jack will be Speaking at the 2011 Pacific Pinball Expo on Friday, Sept. 23rd at 12:00 pm. Hope to see you there! http://pacificpinball.org/events/ppe-5
Our Next update will be on Sunday October 2nd.
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My mum is 69 yrs of age. I was talking to her about the Wizard of Oz Pinball last night and she was excited to hear this machine was getting made.
My mum also worked at HOYTS in Pitt Street SYDNEY from 14 yrs of age for many many years just like my Aunty. Mum remembers when the film was first re-released with the very beautiful Judy Garland (Liza Minellis mother for those who didnt know, famous for singing New York New York and many many movies like her mum plus Broadway star all her life.) I think the movie first was made in 1939 and was re-released in techni-color apx 15 yrs later.
Mum said when the film came out, it smashed all box office records. My mum reckons playing the Wizard of Oz pinball would take her back to her early childhood so she definately is looking forward to a game. Man, my whole family is dying to play this game. I showed my ten yr old daughter the original movie the other day and my 2 yr old son sat there fascinated. Wizard of Oz just got some new fans from a new Generation. Thats way cool. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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here is the latest release of the cabinet coloured graphics.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index11.html
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The graphics of the back box including what will be displayed on a 26" monitor have been released, included is a link of a paper raft pinball model.
http://download641.mediafire.com/fxhjk7b6zc8g/cmu109gqjgdlndx/WOZ_Minature_JJP.pdf
Here is some info released via there a email they issued,
"greetings Pinball Fans:
Today, we are releasing the remaining completed artwork by artist, Jerry VanderStelt. The Backglass image will be portrayed on a 26" Wells Gardner LCD monitor which will display scores, animation, movie clips, attract mode, backglass artwork and more.
The left and right sides of the back box act as a bridge to the cabinet artwork and help the story come full circle. Jerry put forth a tremendous amount of thought and effort when creating the artwork t so that every aspect of the Wizard of Oz would be captured. Jerry is an extremely talented artist and an asset to the JJP Team.
PS-Our fans are AWESOME -Check out this Mini Paper-WOZ Pinball that customer, Peter Schotvanger created. Once you click the link, follow the link in the yellow box that says "Click here to start download from MediaFire.." to access the PDF. Thank you to Daniel Tonks for the idea and original version and anyone else who contributed.
Pinball Expo kicks off next week in Chicago and the JJP Team is hosting a Fireside Chat on Thursday October 20th at 8 PM. Jack Guarnieri has been invited as the Guest Speaker at the banquet this year on Saturday October 22nd at 8 PM. You can visit www.pinballexpo.net for more information.
We are now taking Pre-Orders for the Wizard of Oz Pinball, (Non- ECLE) that has a link below. The Pre-Order Price is $6500.00 with just a $250.00 deposit. The first 1,000 games will be numbered. If you would like a specific number, when ordering please provide number(s) requests in the comments section.Click here to Order
Both the LE Emerald City and WOZ Pinball Include:
-Hand drawn playfield, plastic set, decal set by artist Greg Freres. Four major mechanical toys; Dorothy's Spinning House, the Witch's Castle, Flying Monkey, Melting Witch.
-Five flippers, Two mini playfields, three Trumper-Bumpers, one Balloon Bumper, Two magnets, One Spinning target, Crystal Ball, Rollover targets, Winkie Guard drop target.
-Full color cabinet and backbox artwork created by artist Jerry VanderStelt will be screened on the highest grade adhesive backed vinyl and printed with UV stabilized inks.
-Digital Stereo sound system which will boom the music and effects created by SoundMaster, Chris Granner. Front of game audio connection jack for headphone/ear bud. Component audio connection jack at rear of game.
-26" Wells Gardner LCD monitor which will display scores, animation, movie clips, attract mode, backglass artwork and more.
-Bally / Williams Parts
-One Year Warranty
The Wizard of Oz is a Wide Body Game! It is the same dimensionally as a Twilight Zone.
Unique to the Emerald City Limited Edition
Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine:
-Limited to 1,000 units
-Each game will have a numbered plaque affixed to the game, on the front of the cabinet - # of 1,000 etc....
-Certificate of Authenticity, hand signed by the Design Team
-Body armor is in the Emerald Green/Black special finish that Matt has chosen with Jerry. The four legs, side rails, hinges, lockdown bar.
-Emerald Green Mirror effect backglass framing a commercial 26" Wells Gardner LCD monitor which will display scores, animation, movie clips, attract mode, backglass artwork and more.
-Optical non-reflective playfield glass.
-Interactive Emerald City Limited Edition Topper"
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Here are the images of the lcd and back box sides.
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May not be to my taste, but have to say they are giving this a red-hot go and all the best to them.
I will be interested to see what they do decide to put on the queue next, so that one of you rich fellas can buy one and invite us all over.
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I will be interested to see what they do decide to put on the queue next, so that one of you rich fellas can buy one and invite us all over.
rumour is elvira 3 is next
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Listening to Spooky Pinball podcasts the other day and it was mentioned that the Australian Importer has so far taken order for 50 odd machines so far of the first 1000LE's. So definitely some interest in Oz for them, though couldn't imagine too many making it to the pub scene or not too many wanting to play it while with the boys....
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Well..... lets face it.
Its the FIRST pinball by Jack.. we all reckon he will go places with his machines.. then again, even if not it doesnt matter.
Machine does have some very interesting aspects to it.. some borrowed from way back in good old flipperless days. Its a bit of old and a whole new push forward at the same time and could well be the start of a whole new pinball era.
Basically, its a collectors dream.
All first 1000 have pre sold.. machine is a hit already.
Watch this title become VERY desirable
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Interesting comment on the WOZ licence/ theme in general by Roger Sharpe at Pinball Expo #@#
Roger Sharpe then spoke about the Wizard of Oz licence and how, when used on a slot machine, it appeals to the target demographic of 55-year-old women who shop at K-mart
#@# #@# !@) #@# #@#
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read this line from a JJP person's quote
"This weekend is the big Wizard of Oz Festival in Chesterton, Indiana where JJP has a booth and will be joined by over 40,000 WOZ lovers as well as JJP customers and distributors and even Matt will make an appearance. Booth #1201. If you are local, stop by and say hello. Visit www.ozfestivalchesterton.com."
40,000 people going to a Wizard of Oz meeting/fair etc. The theme in the USA makes BIG business sense. JJP are very smart people. How many people out of the 40,000 people put their hand up and paid a small deposit at this fair. 1 in 40 means a thousand sales. Theres the 1000 sold there so to speak. (even if he only sold a few dozen at the fair with extra pre-orders, it would have been a big marketing success).
Waiting to own this title is like waiting to open Xmas presents. I like the legs, and even gold legs on this title would look amazing. Even a hybrid of emerald green n gold legs would be great (co-incidentally green n gold is Aussie colours as well !) Bring on WOZ.
p.s - the Roger Sharpe comment about 55 yr old women who shop at Kmart being the target market for WOZ was a great comment, because of a few things -
1. the wife is out of the house - GOOD
2. the wife is spending money at a shop known for low price tags which will save u money - GOOD
3. you can play pinball in peace by ya self, while the old girl is shopping,whilst u are with the new 20 yr old girlfriend, who will listen intensely about this new topic called Wizard of Oz - EVEN BETTER
Kmart does come in handy after all. ^^^ %.% %.% %.% %.%
JJP Pinball site link below.
http://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/inthenews.aspx
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I can't wait for the WOZ machine its going to look pretty sweet :)
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FUTURE AUSSSIE ORDERS OF WOZ !
For interest, I contacted Jack from JJP to order another WOZ for a family member, organise the deposit etc.
Jack has referred me for any future Australian orders directly to the Australian Distributor, Bumper Action in Melbourne. I had David from Bumper contact me very quickly and efficiently, and they were great to deal with.
The price difference between ordering from the USA, which you cant do anymore is apx $1500 difference. At first i said WTF, but after using my brain, the prices advertised on the Jersey Jack Pinball site of $6500 (std model) or $7500 LE model, are not delivered. So, the $1500 covers ALL shipping and importing and customs costs from the USA to you in Australia. The prices I was given are to my door, and the $1500 is more than reasonable since I have imported large arcade items from the USA before, and the costs n paperwork n stress is a lot to deal with. By dealing with Bumper, its all HASSLE FREE. Well worth the difference of trying to go it alone, but if you dont order thru Bumper, u might end up with a USA machine, if JJP gets the early orders mucked up.
I am not sure what JJP are doing with Aussie customers who paid them a deposit directly early in the peace, before Bumper was made the Aussie Agent, so if u have ordered that way, maybe ask a few questions by email.
Bumper also passes on all the updated WOZ reports which is great as well. ^^^
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I am not sure what JJP are doing with Aussie customers who paid them a deposit directly early in the peace, before Bumper was made the Aussie Agent, so if u have ordered that way, maybe ask a few questions by email.
I have been told 3rd hand that all the games will be coming through Bumper
If there is a JJP#2, I would get it through them, just to make things easier
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Here is a photo of the proto-type cabinet - looks original and pretty good.
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i cant say i like that, looks like some kid got a few wizard of oz pictures and cut them out and stuck them onto a pinball machine, it looks very amaturish and i could not see any pub or even arcade putting that into their line up. i thought the theme was sort of cool and old school but that proto just looks tacky and corny, to be politically incorect "GAY" that machine is about 30 years out of date, might fit into a child care center or something
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i cant say i like that, looks like some kid got a few wizard of oz pictures and cut them out and stuck them onto a pinball machine, it looks very amaturish and i could not see any pub or even arcade putting that into their line up. i thought the theme was sort of cool and old school but that proto just looks tacky and corny, to be politically incorect "GAY" that machine is about 30 years out of date, might fit into a child care center or something
Well, a person who has never made a pinball machine before, has already had 1000 people decide to buy one
From his payment plan, every one of those people has at least paid for half the machine
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i cant say i like that, looks like some kid got a few wizard of oz pictures and cut them out and stuck them onto a pinball machine, it looks very amaturish and i could not see any pub or even arcade putting that into their line up. i thought the theme was sort of cool and old school but that proto just looks tacky and corny, to be politically incorect "GAY" that machine is about 30 years out of date, might fit into a child care center or something
Well, a person who has never made a pinball machine before, has already had 1000 people decide to buy one
From his payment plan, every one of those people has at least paid for half the machine
thats good i hope they succeed and he sells enough to fund another title, but if these guys want to appeal to a very select few they are going the right way about it.
it wouldn't be something i would want to show off to my mates or would that inspire any one to get into pinball who wasn't a member of the Brady bunch, and hey i have fond memories of wizard of oz as the next person but man if you are going to do a theme like that make it look classic not tacky, well thats my rant on it lol and it may play really good, but I wonder will any regular punter who see's in a line up at an arcade just laugh and go to the bk2000 for game.
would i play it if i saw it in an arcade? yes in an arcade to what it plays like when no one is watching, would i play if it was in a pub? no i wouldn't want to get bashed. lol
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I find the machine actually looks dramatically better close up. The artwork i reckon is amazing, lots of really deep detail. The colours work together very well and its a widebody. The 26inch LCD screen/translite will blow people away.
I actually really like what they have done with it. It has a "magical" old school feel to it because WOZ is over 50 years old. The movie makes anyone feel good.
Who doesnt know the words to "follow the yellow brick road". I am not sure they have incorporated a yellow brick road into the machine or not, but i might look at adding some gold to the emerald legs (I will have both emerald and gold combined etc) and I reckon this machine will be a hit. There are too many talented experts from the pinball past working on it and the JJP company is putting alot of money into it. It will succeed without a doubt.
And i bet the ladies will play this at the pub or a arcade because it has all the boxes ticked to be a fun machine. As soon as the first positive reviews come out on the machine, watch all the people sitting on the fence place orders. I reckon the audio will be a blast. I am hoping for really cool wicked witch noises etc.
The only thing i want to see improved/or more detail on, is the top of the headbox above the 26inch display, which looks abit dark/boring/unfinished. Not sure what that is about yet.
Lets see what happens next. More updates on the way.
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Quote from Caveoftreasures - "The only thing i want to see improved/or more detail on, is the top of the headbox above the 26inch display, which looks abit dark/boring/unfinished. Not sure what that is about yet"
Maybe some kick arse speakers....
I just think the lcd is going to give the game a whole new dimension, imagine the programming, filming etc for all the game interactions that have to be produced - a massive job but you are right they are employing alot of well know masters to create this machine, and they have to make a good impression on the first machine.
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i do think it will be interesting to see how it goes, im sure it will sell with in the pinball community only because we want to see pinball succeed, but will it bring new people to pinball? no its not edgy enough, but what i cant take away from them so i dont want to be seen completely negative on this machine, yes the lcd good idea . and it does take some smarts to make a machine, and esp being a new company i hope all the success . so that i think they need respect for. on the picture a few pages back of the hot-air balloon it was sort of dark and looked great.
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I thought the LCD Display would be an improvement but it dosn't make it look any better! the Backbox is definately not finished yet there is no way I would want a backbox with that layout! the speakers up top don't just look filthy but wouldn't sound to great, the sound should be coming from the action! The way they have incorperated the screen is odd, i thought they would have had a multi-layers BG and have a mostly transparent BG so that artwork wasn't left out during no power and It would also look like the backglass is moving not a screen. Theres nothing I can do but that picture has kinda spoilt my excitment *!@
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i agree with the lcd midflame, with the size of lcd's these days and cheap the entire backglass would look awesome as the lcd, but i wouldn't be surprised in future machine these guys might do that.
that would look great just having a background that moves, but im sure their is reason why they haven't put in this machine, if its something that hasn't been done before it is new ground so understandable
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mildflame is correct, the whole backbox will look completely blank/dead/ lifeless when the machine is off.
It needs a translite on top of the 26inch screen. Lets see what they come up with. (But i am still going to buy it, just incase it is SUPERB, and i dont want to missout on the LE version). I have ordered a std version as well for a family member incase the std version is better, like the 2nd release of a new car). !@#
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Another animated pic
(http://pinballhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/woo-full-cab-emerald.jpg)
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Speaking as an artist myself, I feel that some of the these harsh armchair criticisms are uncharitable at best, ill considerered and philistine at worst.
Working within the constraints of licences and subject to approval by their holders, I'd like to see any artists (let alone untalented critics) do any better.
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There have been plenty of "sucky" themes used by all the other makers (despite having the advantage of long experience)
Remember, WOZ is very popular in the US and we are a relatively small market for them.
As a placatory for some of us, rumour has it that JJP's next title will be quite a lot ballsier?
My overall view is that JJP have bravely bucked the trend toward lacklustre machines and are pioneers of innovation.
Try having a closer look at what they have achieved so far (on Pinball News) and perhaps think again.
Basically, give JJP a "fair suck of the saveloy" is my message.
PP :2cents:
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Speaking as an artist myself, I feel that some of the these harsh armchair criticisms are uncharitable at best, ill considerered and philistine at worst.
Working within the constraints of licences and subject to approval by their holders, I'd like to see any artists (let alone untalented critics) do any better.
Are the "armchair criticisms" and "untalented critics" you refer to those in this thread? If so, I think such comments on the thoughts of members in a pinball discussion forum are ill considered at best, and rude at worst.
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LOL- i think it looks great! Its nice and bright, very vivid.. in attract mode the LCD screen will pull the punters in.
Love the emerald green legs too.. that machine will stand out like dogs bollox on site.
I gotta give it the definate thumbs up!! ^^^ ^^^
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Whitewood showing inserts
http://pinballhead.com/playfield-inserts-on-wizard-of-oz-pinball/ (http://pinballhead.com/playfield-inserts-on-wizard-of-oz-pinball/)
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Are the "armchair criticisms" and "untalented critics" you refer to those in this thread? If so, I think such comments on the thoughts of members in a pinball discussion forum are ill considered at best, and rude at worst.
Hehe. I don't know if it's just late (for me) or what, but this strikes me funny as hell because by simply saying that, you walked right into it and did exactly the same thing - admittedly directed toward a lone gunman, but still... a forum member nonetheless.
Sorry if this feels prickly as that is not my intention at all. It just struck my funny bone. !^!
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I wish the project all the best, but the theme still does nothing for me.
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... this strikes me funny as hell because by simply saying that, you walked right into it and did exactly the same thing - admittedly directed toward a lone gunman, but still... a forum member nonetheless.
Walk right into it would mean it was done by accident. Quite the contrary, using similar language was exactly the intention.
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Calm down peeps - we need to be respectful of each other. Play the ball, not the man !
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ^^^
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... Play the ball, not the man !
Exactly. The ball here is the artwork, and those that wish to voice their comments about the artwork are entitled.
No need to "play the man" with insulting comments about being "untalented critics"!!
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The fact that people are discussing this pinball with passion shows that Jersey Jack has done a great job so far. I dont remember a recent STERN that got so many people involved/discussing the title.
I want to see my mum who is 68 yrs old play this machine, I reckon my mum will have a blast. Just to see mum's face playing WOZ will be worth buying the machine. It will all be a bonus after that. ^^^ ^^^
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The fact that people are discussing this pinball with passion shows that Jersey Jack has done a great job so far. I dont remember a recent STERN that got so many people involved/discussing the title.
I want to see my mum who is 68 yrs old play this machine, I reckon my mum will have a blast. Just to see mum's face playing WOZ will be worth buying the machine. It will all be a bonus after that. ^^^ ^^^
Rolling Stones was bashed from pillar to post. A horrible game. Ironman was a GREAT title that Stern got right. There will always be a difference of opinion. I'm GLAD Jersey Jack Pinball are on the scene and I look forward to whatever title they do next. Wizard of Oz is just a bad theme.
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I wish the project all the best, but the theme still does nothing for me.
+1 dont know anything about Wizard of OZ. Never had anything to do with it.
Asked my mum if I seen it as a kid and her reply... no you sisters probably did.
Got TRON and then the Transformers movies out at the video store to grasp
the theme of the machines (money well spent). Cant see myself doing that for
this machine
Hope it is a good player though for the sake of pinball...
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I reckon it will be a goer one way or the other.
It's either freaking great and sets up JJ as the gun new player in pinball and becomes a real collectors item....or it's a great flop and it still becomes a collectors item.
I am still unsold on this title...missus like the look of it but to me it looks ummmm welllll...green vomit springs to mind.
I'd play one if there is one sited....doubt that though....but I have no desire to hunt one down.
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heres a question,
what about when pre-orders were being put in for Big Bang Bar ? what was the purchase price of that machine, did everyone think it was a unusual/bad theme ? what are these machines worth now, how many were produced ? maybe WOZ will be just like that title. !@# I would have to get Nick's(pinnies4me) opinion here since he owns one i believe.
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... Play the ball, not the man !
Exactly. The ball here is the artwork, and those that wish to voice their comments about the artwork are entitled.
No need to "play the man" with insulting comments about being "untalented critics"!!
i think we forget that untallented critics are the ones who are the consumers, and weather untalented or not they have to like something to part with their money. nothing personal was ment in what I said and was not directed at any body, any one is entitled to disagree with what i and others have said, thats cool because i hate the theme and the art work on the cab, some will love it for sure, but also as i stated i hope they do good as the more companies making good pinballs the better. my only concern is they have targeted only those who are already into pinball over trying to bring younger people into pinball. just ask a teen if they would be more interested in woz or avatar and see which one they would pick. ps i hated the movie avatar but it made sense making a pinball for it. i wish some one would however make a none movie theme, and think of some cool original theme, pinball makers need to start getting new people into pinball, because they are failing imo and it seems to be only selling to homes. i recon i would be the only shop on the sunshine coast with a pinball in my store, and almost every person who talks to me about it thinks no one makes pinball machines any more. with comments like, eg "oh i loved playing pinball when i was a kid, i wish they still made these things" . lol and they are surprised when i tell them they are still being made.
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i think we forget that untallented critics are the ones who are the consumers, and weather untalented or not they have to like something to part with their money.
Bingo. You are 100% right of course - it doesn't take artistic talent to like something, and having an opinion on the artwork on a pinball machine shouldn't get you criticised by self-proclaimed artistic experts.
Anyone want to say that artwork doesn't matter should buy themselves a Shadow and have good gameplay and they can also enjoy having Alex Baldwin looking down at them like he's just sucked a lemon or taken one for the team.
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heres a question,
what about when pre-orders were being put in for Big Bang Bar ? what was the purchase price of that machine, did everyone think it was a unusual/bad theme ? what are these machines worth now, how many were produced ? maybe WOZ will be just like that title. !@# I would have to get Nick's(pinnies4me) opinion here since he owns one i believe.
Very different situation Brett. BBB existed in 13 (well 12 left) protos that many had played in the 10 years after Capcom shut. It's status grew to be legendary, so when the repro run was announced it was jumped on by enthusiasts.
WOz could very well become collectable given the apparently well-accepted theme in the US, but I suspect it will be some years down the track. And if they went up in value and JJP was still producing games, like Stern with LotR, they might do another run (licenses permitting) devaluing the original run.
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Anyone want to say that artwork doesn't matter should buy themselves a Shadow and have good gameplay and they can also enjoy having Alex Baldwin looking down at them like he's just sucked a lemon or taken one for the team.
Gaaaak!
OK that's no fair. My retinas are cramping up.
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update
Greetings Pinball Fans,
Last week while at the first ever Southern Pinball Festival, Jack surprised the audience when he pulled out his iPhone and showed off the latest version whitewood. It seems to have so many inserts that the attendee's heads were spinning trying to figure everything out. In the photo below, The Top mini playfield you see is the Witch's Castle, and the bottom mini playfield you see Munchkin Land.
For those in the UK asking, in August we announced Phil Palmer of Pinball Heaven located in Southport, United Kingdom as a factory authorized JJP Distributor. You can visit http://www.pinballheaven.co.uk and contact Phil at phil@pinballheaven.co.uk.
Jersey Jack Pinball is sponsoring The 2011 Washington Heights Pinball Open at Le Chéile Restaurant in NY, NY on December 3rd & 4th. Jack will be attending the Tournament on Saturday the 3rd. For more information on the event, visit http://lecheilenyc.com/wp/events.
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December 8, 2011
Greetings Pinball Fans,
Today we are releasing the Wicked Witch of the East's feet after Dorothy's house landed on her. They are a bit bigger on purpose as in whimsy so that the detail of them and what they represent can be seen and appreciated. The player would get the house to spin and then accomplish a certain goal for this to be seen....er....more on that later. Please note that Dorothy's house will be complete with decals.
We are also releasing an updated version of the Etching of The Wizard for the Throne Room complete with lighting.
The Northern Lights Pinball Show, which is the largest pinball show ever to be staged in the North of England, was held at Norbreck Castle Exhibition Centre in Blackpool on November 5th and 6th. Pictured below is Mataiya, who won the PBS kids free play trophy, a Jersey Jack T Shirt, "Special When Lit" DVD, & NLPS T shirt.
Sale on JJP Hoodies and T-Shirts until 12/16
Hoodies were $31.99 - NOW $28.99*
T-Shirts were $21.99 - NOW $17.99*
Includes Free Shipping in the Continental USA &
a Personalized Holiday Card from Jersey Jack!
Click Here to Order!
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Just caught up with thread, very interesting project. I wonder if Dark Side of the Moon could be programmed as an alternative soundtrack for the game http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Rainbow , one of my favourite Pink Floyd stories that one
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Greetings Pinball Fans,
Today we are releasing a later picture of the blank whitewood playfield with color inserts. The picture was taken a few weeks ago and the Design Team has used these playfields to build up several games.
Greg Freres has completed the artwork for the three playfields and that has been submitted for approvals which could take a few weeks, especially with the upcoming Holidays. They look AWESOME! Lots of color and everything you would expect from Greg Freres representing The Wizard of Oz.
Jack found himself with another few nicknames after this this great story was featured on BBC. From the Inside Out regional documentary, which follows our longtime customer and friend Spike Reddington as he hosts a pinball event at his home and examines the growth of pinball. There are contributions from Spike, Jack Guarnieri and European Pinball Champion Franck Bona amongst others.
Jack was interviewed at the UK Pinball Party and he was then inducted into the UK Pinball Hall of Fame in August. Jack comments; "These are some of the most passionate pinball people on Earth. I was honored to be there and I was treated as Royalty. I'm also very humbled after seeing this BBC report."
Thanks to PinballNews.com for uploading the video
Inside_Out_Pinball_Segment - BBC
We hope you all have a great weekend, lots of shopping in advance of the Holidays which start this week. Happy Hanukkah which starts this week. Jack asked Santa to bring him a Lionel Wizard of Oz train set to go under the Christmas Tree.
Sale on JJP Hoodies and T-Shirts until 12/18
Hoodies were $31.99 - NOW $28.99*
T-Shirts were $21.99 - NOW $17.99*
Includes Free Shipping in the Continental USA &
a Personalized Holiday Card from Jersey Jack!
Click Here to Order!
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Well, there is certainly gong to be a lot happening!
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So far, I count about 105 to 110 inserts.
Apx 18 x red
Apx 20 yellow
Apx 62 blue
Apx 6 or so clear
Apx 1 x large orange.
No green inserts or purple etc ? ?
I note, yellow and orange inserts never look that great with LEDs. But depending on the insert thickness, or bulb holder type/angle etc, different results can be achieved.
Blue, red and clear inserts come up Terriffic with Leds. If anyone has a direct line to Jack, ask for some green or purple inserts. Perhaps the yellow, is a link to "follow the yellow brick road" from the movie. ? This title is coming along really well. It just gets better and better every month. ^^^
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The movie is on GEM if anyone's interested in watching it.
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Sale on JJP Hoodies and T-Shirts until 12/18
Hoodies were $31.99 - NOW $28.99*
T-Shirts were $21.99 - NOW $17.99*
Includes Free Shipping in the Continental USA &
a Personalized Holiday Card from Jersey Jack!
Click Here to Order!
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Ordered my T-shirt before Christmas.
The design & colours look great to me.
Plus these guys actually offer them in SMALL #*#
Ta for the heads up on the specials.
PP
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It seems that the latest spooky pinball podast is out (I cannot download for a few days)
posted on the WoZ forum is that Mirco is not doing the playfields
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The movie is on GEM if anyone's interested in watching it.
I have it on Blu Ray...it's good to show the kids every now and then and put it on for yourself after some medication with darkside of the moon as the only soundtrack...brilliant!
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Happy New Year Pinball Fans,
Today we get to report on more progress of our whitewood and test games.
The pictures are worth at least 1,000 words each as the guys continue to build up playfields for various purposes. Keith has taken his game home for further programming and playfields have been built up for test games.
We also had a lovely visit today from our longtime customer Tony and his family from Australia. Tony was one of the first people who ordered two ECLEWOZ games. He and his family are avid pinball lovers and they all spent a wonderful day at the JJP World Headquarters where they were treated to see some very cool insights about the game as well as a wonderful lunch at Jack's favorite Italian Restaurant. Jack even got some game ideas from Tony's daughter Maria's suggestions!
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yes, Tony (Ant68) is the fellow with the moustache next to Jack wearing the red top.
For those of you who havent met Tony, and his family, nice bloke who is switched on and runs his own business which is very big up here on the Gold/Coast - Brisbane.
Tony is always fun to talk and meet with and his passion for pinball is excellent, as seen by his recent trips.
Well done on visiting the USA factory's of Jersey Jack Tony ^^^
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Great pictures - thanks for sharing !
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Great to be able to visit! Well done!!
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Thanks for the kind words Brett .
What a awesome day out at JJP head quarters .He's an awesome guy and has a wonderful family . Actually the running of JJP is a very family hands on business, and his staff are very dedicated and loyal.
We had plenty of sneak peeks that where awesome , anyone not buying a WOZ is missing out big time and should consider it .
Massive factory and the assembly line in NJ is been put together now , they have come up with an awesome assembly system , way way more advanced then Sterns , and it will be the foundation for many more games to come .He's doing it right the first time .With all that talent there he's on the right track .
I would like to think that I have a keen eye for detail and what I saw will take Pinball to a new level .It is quality not quantity at JJP.
From what I have seen this will be one Pinball Jammed packed with feature and probably the best carpentry ,technology ,artwork / graphics ( both on and off the play field ) money can buy .
On screen stuff is out of this world , my wife's reaction to what we saw , " how clever is that" and she is 50/50 when it comes to pinballs .I couldn't wipe the smile of her face. It makes you what to play more and more .I think this will be a DMD killer .
My children grasped it straight away ,and could follow what was going on so much that they nearly shoved Jack of his chair to get closer the the screen, it will be very very user friendly .The placement of the information on screen has been very cleverly designed .Attract mode is awesome .
The kids where all over his office , my youngest made him self at home and almost remodelled it for him.While my daughter wanted Jacks attention with what she would like to see on a future pinball machine .
Jack seemed to love the kids presents and I could tell family comes first with him .He spoiled them with chocolates, donuts right down to milk for them , When it came time for lunch Jack insisted that all his family be present to join us at the table at his favourite Italian restuarunt , it was great to meet them all .
JJP is in a different market to Stern , they are more high end , with more attention to detail. Nothing will be half baked .
His dedication and enthusiasim will put bring joy to many people .
I put it down to timing but I had an order for a ACDC LE but cancelled it ,just seeing what Jack is doing with pinball is so inspirational I couldn't commit to ACDC ,also IMHO I thought that the artwork for ACDC was a bit weak for a top band had I liked the art work more it could of swade me to reconsider it ,so I'll wait down the track for JJP's next title.
It's a real petty Gary has not done something similar with ACDC, imagine video footage on the LCD with 600watt of HiFi music blaring out TNT .
Cheers Tony
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Awesome update, and you and your family are very lucky to experience that. The interviews that spooky do with Jack really shows that he cares and respects people and they in return want to do their best. All the best to him and his team.
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after reading what u have written Tony, it has reignited my passion for the Wizard of Oz machine. and the next title JJP brings out shld also be a winner.
any ideas Tony on what JJP are doing next ? I would like to hear more about that awesome production line. Is the new Wizard of Oz that good that it is described as a dmd killer. Thats awesome. Coming from you, with one of Australias most impressive pinball line ups/collections, that is very very re-assuring.
someone said to me yesterday they were cancelling their WOZ order for a AC/DC. I said dont, there will always be a AC/DC but the WOZ may be a very collectable pin that might make history for many many great reasons. I cant wait tio see a Wizard of Oz and play one for sure. ! More exciting times ahead for sure. Thanks for the info Tony. Excellent as usual ! ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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I had the pleasure of speaking to Jack again the other day. I am looking forward to my ACDC but no where near as much as the WOZ. This is going to be a machine full of new innovation. It is going to be awesome and I cant wait for its release. People who havent ordered or were thinking of cancelling their order will be greatly disappointed after its release IMHO.
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I had the pleasure of speaking to Jack again the other day. I am looking forward to my ACDC but no where near as much as the WOZ. This is going to be a machine full of new innovation. It is going to be awesome and I cant wait for its release. People who havent ordered or were thinking of cancelling their order will be greatly disappointed after its release IMHO.
totally agree with ya there. if Tony says its a winner, thats good enough for anyone to take to the bank. which WOZ did u order Silverball ?
and if for arguments sake both machines arrived on the same day, which one would u open first, and which one would you put a game on first ? the WOZ or The AC/DC ?
decisions decisions decisions. lucky bastard ! ^^^
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Ordered 2 x LE WOZ. ACDC is shaping up to be a great title and really looking forward to it but WOZ is going to be out of this world. I have seen things that have never bone done to a pinball before and this is exciting.
ACDC is more about theme and music for me where as WOZ is about Art,innovation and gameplay.
If both arrived at the same time,would probably unpack both but turn on WOZ first to see that amazing LCD come to life. My prediction is there will be a last minute rush of orders being taken as WOZ nears completion or artwork/LCD images and features are announced.
Happy to getting both titles and after never buying new in box,I find myself purchasing 2 titles that are sight unseen.
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here is an extract from JJP latest fan email - info release.
"Greetings Pinball Fans,
We have not released anything about what will be seen on our beautiful LCD so today we are posting a couple of links.
The first is the backglass artwork showing some basic animations which give you an idea of what is to come. These were completed several months ago and we have much more detailed and advanced models today.
JP and the other members of his team are creating a unique experience for the LCD. The biggest use of the LCD will be to lead the player along the game ****** and adventure.
It's also there to attract a larger player base as we are able to show more and tell more including scores, objectives, achievements and entertain onlookers as they wait their turn to play.
We are also releasing a version of the animated JJP logo. This pays homage to the displays of old and the sounds of Pinball History. A world famous guitarist will do the riff for the logo in its final form and the familiar pinball ringtone will be replaced with some live pinball chimes.
Parts continue to arrive and a lot is happening. More details next week."
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I wonder what the next title will be?
I am watching Jeff Waynes live musical version of war of the worlds on dvd, my kids love this as do I!
Now with all this wonderfull new technology and innovation that JJP IS bringing to pinball could there be a better title to follow WOZ?
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
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Some people REALLY LOVE Jersey Jack Pinball, to the point of getting a JJP tatoo.
check this out below. (and u guys thought u were COMMITTED Pinball nuts !)
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when does this come out?
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I'm thinking end of May .
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follow the link to a another JJP next news release with music clips from the pinball - multiballs
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Greetings Pinball Fans;
Everyone has been asking for a sound update so today, we are releasing two fantastic music clips composed by Sound Master, Chris Granner. Who better to tell you about the pieces than Chris himself?...
"The Merry Old Land of Oz" arrangement started life in my mind as the main "Emerald City Multiball" background track (more on all the rules at some much later point), and the "show" that starts multiball calls for a big fanfare opening (which you hear in this arrangement). The thing I thought it needed to make it "go fast enough" for multiball was, 1) about 24 beats per minute FASTER than they take it in the movie, and 2) a collection of "inner voices", accompanying textures if you will, that had a little more energy than the "oom-pah" style of the original. Fun, right?! So, I get this together and send it off to Keith, who responds (paraphrase here) "I like it a lot...but it's too happy for multiball." Doh! I went back & read the rule set again. Double Doh! CLEARLY this play state requires something darker. JEEZ! where o WHERE will I find DARK in this soundtrack!?
Although that question has at least two dozen answers, there wasn't much competition in my mind: enter "Night on Bald Mountain" obviously! In the movie, the "fanfare" opening of this arrangement is a REALLY scary gesture in the brass -- which is used throughout that scene for something VERY specific which has its very own place ELSEWHERE in the rules -- so I couldn't use it here. Bottom line: the fanfare for the opening to multiball is still to be revealed, but this tune has this super-intense texture to open, that leads right into that incredible brass anthem refrain, and just NEVER lets up -- PERFECT for multiball! The crazy thing about this is: "Night on Bald Mountain" was written by the Russian composer Modest Mussorgsky and is a wonderful example of the late-romantic harmonic and orchestral style advanced by him and his contemporaries. But I'll tell you one thing for sure: they NEVER played it like the Hollywood orchestra did for the Wizard of Oz! The version from the movie is half-again as fast, tempo-wise; in fact, MY version is at exactly the same tempo as the movie soundtrack's version, and no kidding, in order to "perform" the parts (on my keyboard), I literally had to slow the tempo down by a factor of three in some cases. JUST insane -- really gave me new respect for just how virtuosic those Hollywood orchestra cats were! (If you want to hear the piece performed more as Mussorgsky imagined it, just YouTube "Fantasia Bald Mountain." Remember? And does that mountain top look like a Balrog or WHAT!?)
Anyway, I hope you enjoy these two numbers, at least a third as much as I enjoyed putting them together! To be continued....."
There is a lot more happening every day.
Next week Jack is at the Midwest Campus so we can expect more pictures and game progress details.
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Amazing Music. Crystal clear. This Wizard of Oz machine just keeps getting better and better. Very Unique. Going to be a real winner IMO.
Thanks Tony (ANT) for the updates. ^^^
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I saw this guys work at Jacks place ,its nothing but amazing .How he's incorporated the original film with pinball will blow your minds ,It will take pinball to a new dimension.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index17.html
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I saw this guys work at Jacks place ,its nothing but amazing .How he's incorporated the original film with pinball will blow your minds ,It will take pinball to a new dimension.Mark my works .
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index17.html
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2 x interesting things I got out of that excellent long media release
1. Jersey jack wants the Wizard of Oz Pinball to start production around mid March 12-13th, which is before Production starts at Stern for the AC/DC LE models.
2. Gary Stern apparently has said Stern has found/is working on a replacement for the Dot Matrix display (is Stern following suit with a LCD backglass as well ??)
Exciting tmes.
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Man !! lots of Pinball news this week , I can't remember it been so intence .
Bring it on
Greetings Pinball Fans,
After a productive week spent at JJP's Midwest Campus, Jack returns home to New Jersey with a big smile on his face and a progress report.
We are very excited to release a small portion of the playfield artwork created by Greg Freres, The Witch's Castle upper playfield. In coming weeks we will reveal much more including the playfield artwork which is in its final stages.
This week the second round of prototype cabinets arrived and final tweaks and modifications were made so that production cabinets will begin running within two weeks and heading to NJ where the production process will begin.
These game cabinets are constructed in a different way from any pinball cabinet in the past. The assembly as well as the construction techniques require more labor and more money to produce but will provide the level of quality and craftsmanship that JJP represents.
Jack was there to be a part of some final key decisions on many items and to meet with some key vendors to finalize production orders. Jack returns to the MC next week as well and will report on more progress.
We mentioned that Ken Holland joined JJP last October as our Production Manager. Ken has been involved in manufacturing thousands of games for several NJ amusement game manufacturers since 1974. Ken brings invaluable experience and dedication to JJP.
Today we are thrilled that Roger Harris has joined Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. Roger brings with him 23 years of fabrication, production, design and manufacturing experience. Roger is truly a Jack of All Trades and a Master of them. Together with Ken Holland Roger will be responsible for the fit out of the assembly line, fabrication of line fixtures, assembly, testing and for many aspects that will go into making the greatest pinball machine ever at JJP.
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Looking good there
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Looking very TAF??
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A member on JJP private forum ( Peter from Netherlands ) super imposed the 2 images together .
Looks awesome ,See that shine on the play field , well times it by 10 , and you have
an idea what I saw at JJP .
Top right hand corner is where the flying monkeys drop the ball via magnet .
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Artwork looks awesome. Still don't like the theme, but it is coming together nicely.
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I reckon this machine will be stunning. I quite like the theme. Who doesnt like 60 singing midgets (munchkins - see movie). lol. lol
thanks for the update ANT. ^^^
and u melbourne guys get to pop into Bumper when they hit the floor and look at one almost instantly unlike us who live 20 hrs away. thats a bonus for melb. ^^^
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Artwork looks awesome. Still don't like the theme, but it is coming together nicely.
I have to agree, the artwork is stunning.
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For all the initial criticism this package is coming together really nicely. I was a nay-sayer, but its turning out to looking to be a really special and stunning machine.
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For all the initial criticism this package is coming together really nicely. I was a nay-sayer, but its turning out to looking to be a really special and stunning machine.
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This is a link for the LCD graphic designer Jean , take a look at his work and you will get an idea of what may be installed for WOZ .Very talented person
http://www.jp-design.nl/
Jersey Jack Pinball is happy to annouce Jean-Paul (JP) de Win as the Graphic Designer/LCD Artist for the Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine. While studying at The Design Academy in The Netherlands, JP discovered he enjoyed computer graphics and 3D Animation and was soon offered an internship in the graphics department at Williams right after the release of Pin2000. However, after only 2 weeks after his start, Willams decided to close down its pinball department. JP then continued his half year internship at Midway Games designing touchscreen games under the supervision of Greg Freres.
Back in Holland, JP finished school and worked for several Dutch broastcast companies in Amsterdam where he specialized in Motion Graphics for on-air promos and program packages. In 2010, JP started his own company working as a freelancer, called JP Design.
JP says, "I really appreciate Jack's courage to hire somebody on the other side of the ocean. Skype & internet enables me to work closely with Greg and the team and now I can finally work in pinball and fulfill my ambition of working in the industry. It's a great honor to be the first LCD-artist for a pinball machine, thanks to Jack!"
Jack says, "We are thrilled with what JP has produced for us so far. He is an extremely talented individual who is going to help us take Pinball to the next level." To see some of JP's work, visit http://www.jp-design.nl/.
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get to pop into Bumper when they hit the floor
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Intentional pun?
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Pinprick, well done on the "pop into Bumper" pun but is was more arse than class. %.%
Yep, the melbourne guys will be blown away by this machine I reckon. I dont think anyone will want to leave once they start playing it.
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Pinprick, well done on the "pop into Bumper" pun but is was more arse than class. %.%
Yep, the melbourne guys will be blown away by this machine I reckon. I dont think anyone will want to leave once they start playing it.
Ohh, I thought you meant me
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Dear Pinball Fans,
How Sweet It Is! Today in NJ we received the second generation cabinet with a stuffed playfield. Larry, Steve, Roger and Ken were eager to inspect and pull it apart. This prototype arrived intact in our new shipping box which was also specially designed for us.
The complete Witch's Castle, Flying Monkey and Dorothy's House are on the game. The illusive Melting Witch Mech should be ready for prime time in the next week or so as well.
We already have playfields with artwork so that more prototype assembly is happening. Mark at the MC is getting three more games together with one going to Chris for sound testing.
Every member of the Team is making progress daily. Somehow it gets more exciting every day with more of everything arriving at JJP-NJ.
For those asking - YES - Keith has been spending countless hours programming his game at home! Good thing we have a 26" Wells Gardner LCD in the backbox because no printed rule card would hold these Keith rules!
We received many comments on the artwork we released for the Witch's Castle and we expect to be able to release more artwork in coming weeks as soon as we have further completions and approvals.
Jack spent the better part of the last two weeks at the MC and on so many levels, many things are coming together. Even at this stage, Jack and the Team continue to make some changes to different aspects of the game construction. The level of effort, time energy and money will be truly appreciated when everyone gets to finally see and play the game.
In our next update we will show a video comparison of our new INVISIGLASS TM that is included on all ECLEWOZ games and of course, more, more, more...
Happy Valentine's Day Everyone!
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double click the photos and they double in size for a better view. also, its good to see both sides of the full cabinet art. I am hoping the wells gardner LCD has a better longevity than the pin2000 stuff. It shld last a million hours etc. If this machine is made for the long term, and doesnt end up like pin2000 did, it shld be a great platform.
given that JJP's next title after the WOZ is going to be the HOBIT, I am waiting with interest for the movie to come out. Apparently, the directors of the Hobit trilogy, were waiting for the Harry Potter movies to finish, before the Hobit Trilogy gets made. It shld be a mix of Lord of the Rings meets Warcraft etc. Thats the title i am looking forward to see the 26inch LCD really work with. ^^^
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Nobody noticed the apron??? #@#
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Nobody noticed the apron??? #@#
Its yellow and blank !@# #@# !@# *!@
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If u look closely, the apron is only a piece of untreated pine wood just for testing i guess. Its only when u click on the photo and it doubles in size u can see the pinewood. My guess is that it will be sparkling emerald green with silver flek in the paint like the spec sheet for the game says it will be.
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If u look closely, the apron is only a piece of untreated pine wood just for testing i guess. Its only when u click on the photo and it doubles in size u can see the pinewood. My guess is that it will be sparkling emerald green with silver flek in the paint like the spec sheet for the game says it will be.
But why not just use a stock apron????
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If u look closely, the apron is only a piece of untreated pine wood just for testing i guess.
Geeeeeez - you guys have better eyes than me ........and I just got glasses last week !!
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If u look closely, the apron is only a piece of untreated pine wood just for testing i guess.
Geeeeeez - you guys have better eyes than me ........and I just got glasses last week !!
I had noticed it during JJP update, but thought nothing of it
but there is a little speculation brewing on the WoZ forum
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something has to change about the standard apron anyway
there is the 'State Fair' bumper and targets in the lower left of the playfield, a high apron will make this hard to see
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being a widebody machine, maybe the ones/widebody aprons from say a twilight zone or Indy etc might not fit at all. Remembering that this JJP design is supposed to be brand new in every way. at this stage of the game, they are definately not giving anything away at all.
the wait on seeing this game finished is killing me. its like waiting to open xmas presents or like waiting to take off the undies on a supermodel. &&
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the wait on seeing this game finished is killing me. its like waiting to open xmas presents or like waiting to take off the undies on a supermodel. &&
done that alot have you ????? !*!
I was over it back in september, I am not good at waiting @@^
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their ALL supermodels when the lights are turned out and the pussy cat needs a pat. %.% %.% %.% @.@ @.@ #@# #@#
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being a widebody machine, maybe the ones/widebody aprons from say a twilight zone or Indy etc might not fit at all. Remembering that this JJP design is supposed to be brand new in every way. at this stage of the game, they are definately not giving anything away at all.
the wait on seeing this game finished is killing me. its like waiting to open xmas presents or like waiting to take off the undies on a supermodel. &&
That's sick Brett supermodel ,how can you think like that .
I was thinking meter maid @@*
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their ALL supermodels when the lights are turned out and the pussy cat needs a pat. %.% %.% %.% @.@ @.@ #@# #@#
:lol times a thousand #*#
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the best machine with an LCD to date, is sitting in my shed (nucore rfm), I just cant see the LCD on WOZ integrating into the gameplay anywhere near as good, simply because of its positioning. But I am happy to be proved wrong.
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From what I saw it is simply amazing , I would say maybe more of a device that cleverly interacts with what the ball is doing on the play field and what is happening in the movies .Similar to a DMD but in a different world .
Everything I mean EVERYTHING on the LCD comes alive , video footage is nothing but amazing .The game status is right there pretty much idiot proof . How Jean (LCD graphic guy) does it is awesome .
Now what I saw may have been only 5% of the overall video package , so expect to be blown away .
I can guaranty anybody watching the game from the distance will be glued to the LCD,the attract mode is something else .You will definitely want to play this Pinball .
ACDC is a different up of tea , but WOZ LE kills it value for money .
Stern had better pick up its game ten fold to compete with JJP , and a Stern demanding $9000 is big money in my books especially for old technology , but I suppose having ACDC for a tile they can get away with it .
I love Stern's and Gary is a friend of mine , but as a collector what offers me good value for money ? ( no pinball my wife would say)
When Stern upgrades there boards at the end of the year to compete with JJP that's when will see competition at it's best .Who can make the best game , who can add more feature the list goes on and on .
Exciting times ahead I'd say .
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Greetings Pinball Fans,
Today, we are releasing another piece of Animation created by our extremely talented Graphic Designer, JP DeWin. This is one of several animations which in various forms and at various times will be incorporated into game play and into the game rules.
These animations will be shown on the 26" Wells Gardner commercial LCD monitor in the backbox and will be accompanied by custom speech, custom music and sounds over the booming stereo sound system of the game. They are designed to entertain onlookers, instruct the player and amuse everyone.
If you like this one, all we can say is "you ain't seen nothing yet" as John-Paul is cooking up some great treats in his studio.
Emerald City Multiball - LCD Animation
We don't want Matt to feel lonely this week as he models his way through all of his toys and designs. His "Rainbow Flower Field" is pictured which resides above the Rainbow Targets.
The picture of the Munchkinland playfield with the latest house shown without the applied artwork and in the "landed" position on top of the feet of the Wicked Witch of the East. There is also some artwork on the playfield and some blurry faces which will be exposed at a later time.
In our next update we will reveal many more of Matt's toys and models for the game. Some are pending approvals.
Several weeks ago a decision was made to eliminate any MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard) or Pressboard as is known by many on our cabinet. This is something commonly used in Pinball cabinets and other game cabinets as a cheap alternative to plywood or other materials. It is heavy, swells up when damp or wet and does not belong on a high-end product. Our game cabinets are being constructed right now using special plywood. The actual construction of our game cabinet and backbox is unique to JJP and is being protected by Patent application.
The playfield in our game was to have used 9-ply plywood. Several weeks ago, we changed direction and decided to use 11-ply plywood as that would provide more rigid structure to the playfield, prevent warping and would be in keeping with the highest quality standard to which we want our games built. That changed some parts as the wood depth changed fractionally and some brackets and switches had to be redrawn and tooled to our JJP specifications. All in all we feel it is worth the extra time and effort and expense to create the game we want to create for you and millions of people who will play them for generations to come.
Next week Jack is at the MC and will report from there on 3/5/12.
We are on track to begin assembly on 3/13/12 so there will be more updates coming. Thanks and have a nice weekend!
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Oh... its SO good to hear that no MDF or chipboard will be used... it just doesnt hold up over time.... good move by Jack to use quality ply instead
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I am not likeing that 'RAINBOW' plastic
The rest of the machine has a cetain look aboutit, that plastic look like a reject ftom 'Flintstones'
Bleugh
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Oh... its SO good to hear that no MDF or chipboard will be used... it just doesnt hold up over time.... good move by Jack to use quality ply instead
What are the pins made of we have now that are 20 to 30 years old and you say "they don't hold up" ???? I reckon they have done ok sited in all sort of locations in all sort of weather conditions.
Peter
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...but just watched rhe multiball vid
@@* win
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I am not likeing that 'RAINBOW' plastic
The rest of the machine has a cetain look aboutit, that plastic look like a reject ftom 'Flintstones'
Bleugh
+ 1 its so much a family pinball with the look and theme and its most probably aimed there but not something you'd see in the main bar of a pub *.*
Peter
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Oh... its SO good to hear that no MDF or chipboard will be used... it just doesnt hold up over time.... good move by Jack to use quality ply instead
What are the pins made of we have now that are 20 to 30 years old and you say "they don't hold up" ???? I reckon they have done ok sited in all sort of locations in all sort of weather conditions.
Peter
Ply mate, with the odd backboard done in chipboard ( particle board) or MDF
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I like the raised letters on the rainbow plastic and the colours. I think it will suit andf fit right in with the other components. Any colour is good in a pinny. More the better really. The house size looks good, the decision to go with "anything" better quality (wood wise or other) is good news.
There is no doubt this machine is going to be something very very special. ^^^ *%*
I am saving every penny, hopefully they will make enough to keep the Australian orders happy.
I havent paid more deposits/or half the machine off like some have, (because of other expenses etc), but feel that anyone who turns up to Bumper Action with a shit load of cash in hand should hopefully be welcomed and able to purchase one. I am definately going to make the trip n fly down to Bumper to look at the different models the day they hit the floor. I think its great that our whole pinny hobby/industry is so positive at the moment. Probably the highest peak of positivity I have seen in over 4 years.
Thanks Tony(ANT) for the updates as usual. ^^^ ^^^
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Better book that ticket to Ballarat, I was onboard long before Bumper
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Better book that ticket to Ballarat, I was onboard long before Bumper
yeh, I actually want to look at all the models and play them first to work out which one i really want. Its was too big a decision to work out which WOZ was going to be the one to stay forever. Its going to be one of them for sure, but which one is the million dollar question. My 70 yr old mum is keen as mustard to see this machine. It is her favourite childhood movie of all time. It shld light up mum's face like a candle when mum see's this beauty in action.
I wonder how many on AP will end with a WOZ, and which ones. Again, exciting times for sure. ^^^
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I have asked about the ninLE version, not many have been ordered
<100
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I have asked about the ninLE version, not many have been ordered
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Do you mean the WOZ LE ?
I thought they where sold out ?
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yeh, I had heard all the models ordered were the LE versions. To my thinking, they will have to do something very sweet with the base model, which usually, in any release of most expensive items, shld represent greatest value for money.
The WOZ is such a open ended technology question, I just found it impossible to work out which one was going to be the answer. I wonder hom many people are holding off, not because they arent sure about the machine, but just extra curious as to which model will suit them best.
Unlike the AC/DC Le models, I think there will be enough JJP product of WOZ to go around. There had better be ! lol *%* the deadline for delivery, although very loose it is, I dont care if they take an extra few months or more, more cooking of the cake equals abetter end result i would have thought. I dont want them to rush the last bit to keep on a schedule, I say forget the schedule, and make sure the end result is amazing. (WOZ LE still some available as per david from Bumper and dealing with JJP directly a few weeks ago too) ^^^
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There's only 2 models Brett , the LE and the Pro ( will call it )
LE just has more eye candy on the cabinet and has the head box blower not sure about the PDI glass and shaker .
Play field is exactly the same ( I am told )
Brett when you get a chance phone me .
yeh, I had heard all the models ordered were the LE versions. To my thinking, they will have to do something very sweet with the base model, which usually, in any release of most expensive items, shld represent greatest value for money.
The WOZ is such a open ended technology question, I just found it impossible to work out which one was going to be the answer. I wonder hom many people are holding off, not because they arent sure about the machine, but just extra curious as to which model will suit them best.
Unlike the AC/DC Le models, I think there will be enough JJP product of WOZ to go around. There had better be ! lol *%* the deadline for delivery, although very loose it is, I dont care if they take an extra few months or more, more cooking of the cake equals abetter end result i would have thought. I dont want them to rush the last bit to keep on a schedule, I say forget the schedule, and make sure the end result is amazing. (WOZ LE still some available as per david from Bumper and dealing with JJP directly a few weeks ago too) ^^^
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I do not think the pro will be made untill after the run of LE's is finished
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I had a great phone convo with Tony(ANT) again. ANT certainly has his finger on the pulse with up to date phone conversations with Jack from JJP.
Only yesterday, was ANT getting some more up to the very minute updates from Jack. The results and excitement of the WOZ are just as great, if not better than the AC/DC which in itself is huge.
and the next Stern title, I just found out exactly what it IS going to be. VERY VERY EXCITED indeed. Man, things are hotting up.
I think people will be saving hard for both of the next releases from JJP and Stern. These titles make getting outta bed each day to go to work much easier for sure. Goals like this make going to work fun. ^^^ Thanks again ANT for the very cool updates.
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Explains the delays
Jack is spending all his time talking to ANT ;)
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Explains the delays
Jack is spending all his time talking to ANT ;)
We where talking all avo, !^!
Next week I plan to get a Meter Maid lined up and will do some Skype @@*
Play field artwork should be approved by WB early next week , after many adjustments .
This is going to be one heavy pinball .
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and the next Stern title, I just found out exactly what it IS going to be. VERY VERY EXCITED indeed.
Ok spill it...... *%* &&
I just want to know if it is RE or not?
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yeh, I had heard all the models ordered were the LE versions. To my thinking, they will have to do something very sweet with the base model, which usually, in any release of most expensive items, shld represent greatest value for money.
The WOZ is such a open ended technology question, I just found it impossible to work out which one was going to be the answer. I wonder hom many people are holding off, not because they arent sure about the machine, but just extra curious as to which model will suit them best.
Unlike the AC/DC Le models, I think there will be enough JJP product of WOZ to go around. There had better be ! lol *%* the deadline for delivery, although very loose it is, I dont care if they take an extra few months or more, more cooking of the cake equals abetter end result i would have thought. I dont want them to rush the last bit to keep on a schedule, I say forget the schedule, and make sure the end result is amazing. (WOZ LE still some available as per david from Bumper and dealing with JJP directly a few weeks ago too) ^^^
No LE's available,all sold
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hopefully a few cancellations, and a few hidden extras might make (might) make a LE possible. ?
But the playfield on the stock WOZ unit is identical, so is it a big deal ? hard to say til we see these beauties.
YES for Resident evil if the statement is true.
YES for a 4 way Action Hero Pinball incl Marvel heroes as well if correct. 2012 just got extra great !
Can it get any better ! and theres another 2 or 3 titles coming out this year as well with the new Stern business model. $#$
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hopefully a few cancellations, and a few hidden extras might make (might) make a LE possible. ?
There is a growing list waiting on cancellations,people have been ringing me trying to secure one. With every new update the phones/emails come pouring in. Standard model,however is essentially the same game.
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Dave, did u originally organise a JJP distributorship with JJP to get your WOZ machines and extras out here. Are u still taking orders etc.
If it gives people a 2nd choice compared to Bumper etc. Whats the go with your WOZ position ?
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Dave, did u originally organise a JJP distributorship with JJP to get your WOZ machines and extras out here. Are u still taking orders etc.
If it gives people a 2nd choice compared to Bumper etc. Whats the go with your WOZ position ?
I work at Bumper,no other Aussie distributor. Thats why I know all the facts about this machine.Production still scheduled for March. The machine is far more advanced than what we see released on a weekly basis.
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So how many WOZ LE can we expect to see shipped to OZ ?
And how's the Standard model selling ? do you think more of these will be sold than the LE's?
Dave, did u originally organise a JJP distributorship with JJP to get your WOZ machines and extras out here. Are u still taking orders etc.
If it gives people a 2nd choice compared to Bumper etc. Whats the go with your WOZ position ?
I work at Bumper,no other Aussie distributor. Thats why I know all the facts about this machine.Production still scheduled for March. The machine is far more advanced than what we see released on a weekly basis.
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Dave, did u originally organise a JJP distributorship with JJP to get your WOZ machines and extras out here. Are u still taking orders etc.
If it gives people a 2nd choice compared to Bumper etc. Whats the go with your WOZ position ?
I work at Bumper,no other Aussie distributor. Thats why I know all the facts about this machine.Production still scheduled for March. The machine is far more advanced than what we see released on a weekly basis.
OK, great to know. maybe u could relist the Bumper pricing and any news/latest info for any of the AP lads.
If u could definately do a post when the machines come in (at least a weeks notice) I think a few people would make the effort to fly down, look at one, play it, and maybe secure an extra few orders. Wouldnt hurt would it. ^^^
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So how many WOZ LE can we expect to see shipped to OZ ?
And how's the Standard model selling ? do you think more of these will be sold than the LE's?
Dave, did u originally organise a JJP distributorship with JJP to get your WOZ machines and extras out here. Are u still taking orders etc.
If it gives people a 2nd choice compared to Bumper etc. Whats the go with your WOZ position ?
I work at Bumper,no other Aussie distributor. Thats why I know all the facts about this machine.Production still scheduled for March. The machine is far more advanced than what we see released on a weekly basis.
There is approx 75 LE's coming through Bumper plus the ones that were preordered before Bumper got the distributuion rights. Standard models have been selling steadily. Once the pin hits the floor and people can see what they are purchasing I am confident that sales will increase. WOZ is a timeless theme and sales could go on indefinately, unlike current movie themes which seem to be the flavour of the month.
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The other Australian Pinball Forum was just mentioned on JJP personal forum ,
I invited them to visit AP forum as well .
A member picked up Bumpers post ( Nice one Dave).
I welcomed them to our forums and to become members and share the love of Pinball .
Is there anyway we can track the number of visitors viewing this forum tonight ?
Please see Davids Post ( I hope I have your blessing David ) You wrote brilliantly mate , well done <..>
Just reading through these posts we have to laugh. This pinball machine is going to blow everyone away and is such a massive advancement on pinball its not funny. The LCD screen is just one example of developement and its a huge step. Ant68 and ourselves have been privy to far more info on this pin and its only just starting to be shown in any form other than a raw whitewood. Jack is not about profit, he is about building something so spectacular that it will be remembered for years as a benchmark on how good you can make a pinball machine. It is the exact opposite philosophy of Stern where you cut things out whereever possible. With Jack its how do I make every part of the machine the best it can possibly be, from the timber, to the cabinet, to the sound system, to the designers I hire, to the clear coat finish, to the artwork, to the best rulesman in the business and so on. Is it worth the delay, yes yes yes. Will we get a product that is unbeleavably good yes. Are there many more surprises, yes. The deep rules mean you have years of challenges ahead. Will this be too difficult for the novice, no. It will play as far as you wish to take it, just like the Simpsons.
It is very rare to get the owner of a company who is investing millions into a pin to be so excited about his product. The passion he has shown us and the pleasure he is getting over improvements he is constantly making to the pin is something we havent seen before in this industry. Not once has he mentioned profit or returns. He can't wait till its ready and he has his own game to play at home. So many will be dissapointed they didn't purchase one when they start to see the finished product. You can already see little hints of what is to come with the Video and art snippets, but there is so much more.
Never have you seen a pinball with an unlimitd budget before and when you compare value versus ACDC Limited edition for $9250 which introduces nothing new to pinball design, no one revolutionary change, nothing but rehashed ideas and the standard Stern formula it all stacks up very nicely for Wizard of OZ. The drama and lighting effects alone will be worth the money even without the LCD screen, but when all is realealed about how the cockpit on the screen works and engrosses the player and the public, the full value of the screen will be reavealed. Just hold judgement till the full product is revealed and then start saving as it will be a must have pin. Just wait and see what you will get for your money.
There will not be lots of second hand pins flooding the market as one suggested, why would you give up your pin you have been waiting a year to get and thats a showstopper. There may be a couple who decide they can't afford it or need to sell (there always is) but most will definately treasure this pin for years to come. You get rid of dud pinballs, not specials. Why would you even speculate on this with no knowledge of the finished product.
What Jack will do for the future of Pinball and to save pinball from the doldrums its been in for years now with unimaginative pinball machines made from a stock formula with an ever diminishing market and no excitement is to be congratulated to the highest order and this will be proven when Wizard of Oz arrives. If only we could show you more right now but it will all be revealed in time.
regards David S
david@bumper.com.au
www.bumper.com.au for all products
03 9696 9690
566 City Rd South Melbourne 3205
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I hope the WOZ has the DEEPEST OF DEEPEST rules sets, which means it wont get boring after a period. AND after sales software updates, for those who want extra gameplay ? This machine has to be VERY VERY special, cause its been talked up big by everyone.
I dont agree with David from bumper that AC/DC pins are boring, quite the opposite. He hasnt played a LE yet so he cant really comment unless he has a crystal ball. Yes, the 9 grand plus for a AC/DC LE is too much, but Australia is not a poor country, so u just buy it or ya dont.
The WOZ machine now has to come out and be a better pin than anyone has made for 10 years, cause thats what they have promised. Gameplay had better be EXCEPTIONAL. Not too different, not too much the same. A fine balancing act ahead.
only time will tell. I am positive, but it has to deliver. Its about how the WOZ performs 6 months after u have bought it, more so than the first day u played it really ! *%*
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Dont get the "Dave's" at Bumper confused.....there are 4 of us working there.
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Sorry the good looking Dave
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Sorry the good looking Dave
Now you're just being silly, that leaves none of them!! &&
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Dont get the "Dave's" at Bumper confused.....there are 4 of us working there.
Yes, that is confusing...
There's Dave the sales manager, Dave the spare parts manager, and Dave the service manager - don't know the fourth one!
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Sorry the good looking Dave
Now you're just being silly, that leaves none of them!! &&
Nice one @@* @@*
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Sorry the good looking Dave
Now you're just being silly, that leaves none of them!! &&
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You didnt like it ? !@#
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Bit more info folks .
Lifted from Jacks private forum , he is responding to another member question on Jack's thoughts of ACDC .
Hi G..., I hope you are well.
I have no time for Stern, really.....have not seen anything.
I spent last week with our Team at the MC. All I have to say is that
we are building one amazing game.
Look for a report on Monday and a nice update on 3/13 as we begin to
build assemblies and start the process of putting everything together!
Today as I look at what we are building, this is so much more game
than I imagined a year ago.....crazy!
Seems like all the planets are starting to line up for the JJP team .
Good on you Jack , hope everything works out well for you over the next month .
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Thanks for the update..... ^^^, exciting few weeks coming up.
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""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
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""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
Why is that?
I have compeditors, I know what they are doing
but I am running my business, my way, my vision
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""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
Why is that?
I have compeditors, I know what they are doing
but I am running my business, my way, my vision
It is quantified in the original statement imo.
That is how I see it in this two horse race, that's all.
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""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
He's been in lock down mode , and has no time for Stern or anyone .So you could take it 2 ways .
There's a bit of history there between the two that you may want to look up , but there's NO LOVE LOST .
If I was opening up a new Pinball company , I'd would of answer the same way , if not worst.
It's all good CC .
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""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
Why is that?
I have compeditors, I know what they are doing
but I am running my business, my way, my vision
It is quantified in the original statement imo.
That is how I see it in this two horse race, that's all.
Is Jack in competition with Garry?
Jack already has a very successful business, making redemption machines (I am not sure what else he does)
I have not seen anything posted by him indication he is out to eliminate Stern,
IMHO he sees a market and is filling it
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Is Jack in competition with Garry?
Sure is Pete ,but as Jack says we are both in two different markets , JJP will not build budget pins and they don't not make pins using a calculator .
""I have no time for Stern really""
That's a pretty arrogant statement but what else would you expect from sterns only competitor trying to talk themselves and their product up.
Why is that?
I have compeditors, I know what they are doing
but I am running my business, my way, my vision
It is quantified in the original statement imo.
That is how I see it in this two horse race, that's all.
Is Jack in competition with Garry?
Jack already has a very successful business, making redemption machines (I am not sure what else he does)
I have not seen anything posted by him indication he is out to eliminate Stern,
IMHO he sees a market and is filling it
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Is Jack in competition with Garry?
Sure is Pete ,but as Jack says we are both in two different markets , JJP will not build budget pins and they don't not make pins using a calculator .
Twaffle, Jack is not going to build a $20,000 game as he knows nobody will buy it
He will build game that the market will acept
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+1 to that .
But his aim is to build the best pinballs , as he's proving with WOZ.
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All bussines's use calculators and have budgets including jack
Peter
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+1 to that .
I suppose Sterns looking at a higher profit margin with less on offer ? ( going by what he's release over the last few years )
Jack is not doing it for the love either , it more to prove a point .And should be rewarded accordingly.
Competition is good and we can only see good things coming out of Stern and JJP in the future .
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+1 to that .
I suppose Sterns looking at a higher profit margin with less on offer ? ( going by what he's release over the last few years )
Jack is not doing it for the love either , it more to prove a point .And should be rewarded accordingly.
Competition is good and we can only see good things coming out of Stern and JJP in the future .
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nice pic,Ant
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They look pretty good hey . <.>
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They look pretty good hey . <.>
" they"
Is there more than one girl? :D
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DONT FORGET !
I think people are forgetting, that JJP is producing a widebody, with a wide clearcoated playfield, plus 2 x additional mini playfields, are throwing in the amazing 27 inch LCD scren and are putting alot more hardware, moving toys n stuff on the game, and are charging LESS MONEY than STERN did for the LE AC/DC. !@# !@# When u look at that, JJP are MOST DEFINATELY in the same market as STERN, its just that JJP have decided to actually be pro-active, and give the customer MORE for less, and at a time where people who buy New in Box pinballs are SCREAMING out for a pinball that is fully loaded, not the bare minimum.
STERN, shld be making the same widebody with the same technology with its next machines, OR it will lose more customers to JJP, and so they should.
if STERN doesnt lift its game, the only machines I will consider will be the PRO, and i will never put my hand in my pocket for more than $5950 plus $200 for a shaker motor, and even then, the machine will have to be better than the AC/DC Pro, cause the music has carried that pinball machine, and only cause ALOT of us have teenage memories from going to Acca Dacca concerts with hot n nubile young ladies.
STERN needs to be worried, and at least seriously consider making widebodies again. If your competition is making a widebody, u had better start doing it as well.
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STERN needs to be worried, and at least seriously consider making widebodies again. If your competition is making a widebody, u had better start doing it as well.
HOW MANY CLASSIC GAMES ARE [size=8]WIDEBODY[/size]??????????????????
and how many of those waste that widebody area?? (TZ, IJ)
IMHO most widebodies are slow and clunky
It has taken Jack more than two years (and counting) to give us Woz
While I am sure that JJP #2 will happen quicker, is Jack planning on making more than one or two titles per year?
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I think people are forgetting, that JJP is producing a widebody, with a wide clearcoated playfield, plus 2 x additional mini playfields, are throwing in the amazing 27 inch LCD screen and are putting alot more hardware, moving toys n stuff on the game, and are charging LESS MONEY than STERN did for the LE AC/DC.
Well said Brett
DONT FORGET !
I think people are forgetting, that JJP is producing a widebody, with a wide clearcoated playfield, plus 2 x additional mini playfields, are throwing in the amazing 27 inch LCD scren and are putting alot more hardware, moving toys n stuff on the game, and are charging LESS MONEY than STERN did for the LE AC/DC. !@# !@# When u look at that, JJP are MOST DEFINATELY in the same market as STERN, its just that JJP have decided to actually be pro-active, and give the customer MORE for less, and at a time where people who buy New in Box pinballs are SCREAMING out for a pinball that is fully loaded, not the bare minimum.
STERN, shld be making the same widebody with the same technology with its next machines, OR it will lose more customers to JJP, and so they should.
if STERN doesnt lift its game, the only machines I will consider will be the PRO, and i will never put my hand in my pocket for more than $5950 plus $200 for a shaker motor, and even then, the machine will have to be better than the AC/DC Pro, cause the music has carried that pinball machine, and only cause ALOT of us have teenage memories from going to Acca Dacca concerts with hot n nubile young ladies.
STERN needs to be worried, and at least seriously consider making widebodies again. If your competition is making a widebody, u had better start doing it as well.
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STERN needs to be worried, and at least seriously consider making widebodies again. If your competition is making a widebody, u had better start doing it as well.
HOW MANY CLASSIC GAMES ARE [size=8]WIDEBODY[/size]??????????????????
and how many of those waste that widebody area?? (TZ, IJ)
IMHO most widebodies are slow and clunky
It has taken Jack more than two years (and counting) to give us Woz
While I am sure that JJP #2 will happen quicker, is Jack planning on making more than one or two titles per year?
Maybe ?
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Pete, re the widebody thing, I have a
TZ
Indy Jones
Batman Forever
Royal Rumble
Star Trek Next Gen
and ALL games are EXCELLENT. Its just a different feel. Playing a widebody, is like driving down the highway in an expensive top of the range Holden/Ford, compared to a medium sized 4 cylinder car.
Playing a ironing board (std body) compared to a widebody, feels so different. The game gives u more on a widebody. Its not as fast as a std body, but some games u want to think on, and others u want it hard n fast.
I reckon a widebody done properly eats a std body every day of the week. Just when u walk into a room, widebodies also look the eye candy, and pinball machines are just as much a eye candy thing, as a playability thing.
If STERN did a widebody for a LE, and a std body for a Pro, that would justify the 3 grands $ difference.
The more i think about the WOZ being widebody, 3 playfields, more toys, 27inch screen etc etc etc, for less money than a Stern LE, it makes me look forward even more, alot more to the WOZ release than i did a month ago. The moment i saw the LE ac/dc final release, the penny dropped for me. JJP will be here for a longtime to come, and the next 2 or 3 titles will be amazing.
WOZ will be worth the wait and the next few will be awesome. Stern will now have follow suit. Now we all win because of JJP. If Stern doesnt, JJP will get peoples money.
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Awesome big "jugs"ant68 and they look real ^^^
Peter
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If STERN did a widebody for a LE, and a std body for a Pro, that would justify the 3 grands $ difference.
Imagine the development costs, I cannot set that happening
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WOZ will be worth the wait and the next few will be awesome. Stern will now have follow suit. Now we all win because of JJP. If Stern doesnt, JJP will get peoples money.
he will need to come up with something more manly than WOZ and the Hobbit
WOZ will be worth the wait and the next few will be awesome.
I am still not convinced that this machine will 'Blow us away'
Some of it is great, but some of it (the spinning house, mainly) looks over the top and will add little to gameplay
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WOZ is so "different", it makes it attractive to collectors.
? What widebody machines have bright emerald green side armour, classic old school artwork with the clarity of 2012 graphics on them.
The fact that it is so different makes it eye candy x 10 for me, and the other 1000 people who jumped on it. The audio will be different, again, who has heard the WOZ theme song on a pinball machine before. Again, just being different gives something new, and new is what sells products.
The Hobbitt (will sell) bigtime because its basically going to be a 2012 version of L:ord of the rings. The artwork will carry the game in every way. it will sell a few thousand without even trying. There are too many cashed up pinball collectors always loking for something new.
Just like the Marvel Super Hero pinny will sell shit loads from Stern, as will the Resident evil etc etc. Selling 1000 machines is more than enough for Stern or JJP to make a title with the money they easily get. That means every title is almost a foregone conclusion, unless u make a yukky one like Roilling stones with the moving target. But the pommies loved it and the euro countries bought heaps of them.
They still sold lots in Australia as well. If u can sell Rolling Stones without effort, any title is almost bullet proof.
WOZ will be eye candy. and who doesnt want to give one a try and have a few games. everyone is looking forward to playing one.
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I will wager it will happen. STERN are making money on these machines, dont worry about that.
Just look at how little equipment now goes into making a machine, look at how cheap parts are today, incl electronics, and u will see the big profits in a pinball machine.
stern will just charge more, people will pay it. after all, they are all luxury items.lol
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WOZ is so "different", it makes it attractive to collectors.
The fact that it is so different makes it eye candy x 10 for me, and the other 1000 people who jumped on it. The audio will be different, again, who has heard the WOZ theme song on a pinball machine before. Again, just being different gives something new, and new is what sells products.
CoT, I have been on board the Woz train since the begining
AS I have posted, some of what has been seen has been good, but some of it has left me scratching my head
Also, a big part of a modern game is reliant on the software, and we will not know how good that is until the games are shipped
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It has taken Jack more than two years (and counting) to give us Woz
Jack only announced JJP in January 2011. That makes it 14 months and counting (who knows if or how much he did before that, but it's immaterial).
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It has taken Jack more than two years (and counting) to give us Woz
Jack only announced JJP in January 2011. That makes it 14 months and counting (who knows if or how much he did before that, but it's immaterial).
Hello new person and welcome to the forum <..>
sunshine, lolly pops
Jersy Jack appeared on a podcast in January 2011, announcing WoZ, either there or in a post on RGP, he had indicated that he had been working on this already for 12 months
It does take a while for even an experienced pinball designer to come up with a playfield
Have a nice day <..>
Pete
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It has taken Jack more than two years (and counting) to give us Woz
Jack only announced JJP in January 2011. That makes it 14 months and counting (who knows if or how much he did before that, but it's immaterial).
Hello new person and welcome to the forum <..>
sunshine, lolly pops
Jersy Jack appeared on a podcast in January 2011, announcing WoZ, either there or in a post on RGP, he had indicated that he had been working on this already for 12 months
It does take a while for even an experienced pinball designer to come up with a playfield
Have a nice day <..>
Pete
Dam where's the guy eating popcorn smiley oh well this will do %%$
Peter
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quote from pop bumper pete
"CoT, I have been on board the Woz train since the begining
AS I have posted, some of what has been seen has been good, but some of it has left me scratching my head
Also, a big part of a modern game is reliant on the software, and we will not know how good that is until the games are shipped"
***yeh i knew u bought one Pete. u were the first on here to buy one, except for ANT who's Jacks friend and gets all the good stuff way before the rest of us.lucky bugger.lol .
What i wrote was for newbies who may have been reading about WOZ. ^^^
You are probably frustrated waiting for ya game Pete, like alot of people who can almost smell it its going to be that good. ^^^ ^^^
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***yeh i knew u bought one Pete. u were the first on here to buy one, except for ANT who's Jacks friend and gets all the good stuff way before the rest of us.lucky bugger.lol .
I do not know, let's ask him (and Wonder1) when they signed on
Jan 15 2011, it may have been earlier, but that is the earliest dated e-mail I have from Jack
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9/01/2011 #@!
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Enjoy Guys , this is an awesome post #*#
Greetings Pinball Fans,
Today we show some pictures as things progress in the production phase @ JJP. Ken Holland and Roger Harris have just finished construction on our 300+ ft assembly line. More may be added but it's a great beginning..... They have started to build up the line work stations which will have specific parts and tools for each worker on the line. They have also started to build the line fixtures for the assembly of the upper playfields. We have received about half of the 100 JJP custom playfield rotisseries and cabinet carts which will enable production.
There's also a candid shot of the final version prototype cabinet fromthe MC, all primed ready for decals. It received its final blessing last week and that now starts the production of 1500 cabinets. The picture also shows a sneak peek of the underside of a prototype (not final) playfield.
JP is still hard at work creating the animation for the LCD. People are asking for a bit more of them so we go to the characters in a "Happy Dance" that will be used as an element of a larger award screen. The video below is a small example of how JP captures scenes from the movie, and is able to customize how the characters move and interact on the screen based on different situations during game play.
Below is a shot of the comparisons showing the Proprietary INVISIGLASS™ which will be available for sale and in stock within the next two weeks. More details to follow.
This update would have been completed sooner if Chris Ward did not tie us up so long on the phone!
We also wanted to wish our very good friend and Big Pinball Maven, David Baron a very Happy Birthday today!
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Awesome stuff here
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More animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPiJe...ature=youtu.be
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Shaping up real nice
I'm referring to the pinball %.%
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That game has a lot of magnets
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I count 5 - 6 motors (3 on the one PF, the flying
monkey, and assuming one for the spinning house and one for the
mysterious witch "melt" action)
Actually, counting magnets and motors as solenoids I'm up to around 31
or so that I can see , With all that and the bazillion
controlled lights this game is really looking to be exciting!!!
4 magnets, 2 in front of the witch, one in the flying monkey area,
assume to capture loop shot balls.
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Great to see that he starting his first pinball - 1st class factory provisions, cabinet, playfield etc.
Good one Jack
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Great update. JJ is certainly not doing things by halves...
The only problem with getting these updates is having to wait for the next one! !!!
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Great update. JJ is certainly not doing things by halves...
The only problem with getting these updates is having to wait for the next one! !!!
next update in two weeks should be 'here is WoZ #1'
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Tony(ANT) can u send Jack a email and ask him to make sure that they dont finish the inside of the cabinets with the black paint the way it is in the photo above. !*!
Thats one of my biggest pet hates of any pinball machine construction, is that the black on the inside of the cabinet is not painted to a neat line, and its just a sloppy piss poor minimum effort the way everyone (incl BNIB machines) is done.
The FIRST thing I will be doing when my next few new machines arrive (incl WOZ) is to tape up the inside of the cabinet, get a can of black paint and finish the poorly painted black area so it looks like someone actually cared what the end result would look like. I mean, you go to all the effort to make a pinball machine look beautiful in every way shape n form, and they do a messy slack job of the inside cabinet paint.
It just looks uncared and unfinished properly. I know its hidden inside etc, but am I the only one who thinks an extra 2 minutes worth of effort could be made. (or is it asking too much to have someone place tape on the inside of the cabinet during the construction process cause it will take an extra 30 minutes of effort, and there fore add $2 worth of tape and an extra $15 in labour) Its sad to believe that $17 of saving is the cause of "internal cabinet uglyness". lol %.% %.%
p.s - thanks for the updates Tony. legend as usual. ^^^
ps 2 - i was thinking, u could have a large metal type ruler with a nail on each end, sitting on the paint production line, the tech places the straight edge inside the cabinet, bangs the 2 nails partly in with a small hammer, paints then to the straight edge, then removes the metal straight erdge with the claw of the hammer, on both sides of the cabinet. Cabinet edge then done properly. no taping up required. A simple way to get a neat line. ^^^
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Good point Cavey, but a easier way would to have a few plywood templates with handles (no nails then) that rest on the base of the cabinet, quick spray and your done - 90 seconds to go in and pull out and you get a nice straight paint line.
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Swinksy, yep, that will work a treat, good idea, it doesnt look right not finished off properly.
first thing i am going to check n do on AC/DC, Transformers and WOZ, plus any other NIB sterns i get.
just looks neater. ^^^
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Swinksy, yep, that will work a treat, good idea, it doesnt look right not finished off properly.
first thing i am going to check n do on AC/DC, Transformers and WOZ, plus any other NIB sterns i get.
just looks neater. ^^^
All new sterns come like this too.
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Pin2000 style rails under the Woz as well. ^^^
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Is Toto featured in the game?
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Is Toto featured in the game?
Very clever captioning there!
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THIS WILL BE THE BEST PINBALL MADE SINCE 1993.
JJP brings out a widebody with lots of magnets, 3 playfields, side armour, PDF glass, a 27 inch screen, lots of moving toys n motors etc etc, on its first attempt !
It doesnt make the cost cutting machines of the past look that great does it ! (excluding AC/DC which i reckon is excellent at $5950)
STERN has to now step up bigtime to the plate, or JJP will be getting my future Brand New in Box pinball money.
The title is one thing, how its made is equally important. ^^^
** just realised, that if JJP dint need the williams licence/parts supply etc, Wayne would never have found a buyer with so much $$$ for the licence. I bet the $$ and incentive for Planetary Pinball came from the ability to supply JJP with its needed 1000 plus machines of parts. If Wayne had of known about the JJP plans, he could have got alot more money, or may have kept it !
So it looks like JJP is responsible really for the Williams licence returning to the USA. Perhaps without that JJP would not have been able to proceed. Interesting !! ^^^
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Here's another great update
Please keep off topic remarks and smart remarks to other Forums
Greetings Pinball Fans,
So today is that "Big Day" - Joe Balcer's Birthday - Happy Birthday Joe and the other part of the Big Day is that we officially start production of our games!
Part of the Agreement with Planetary Pinball calls for us to pay part of our license fee on the day we start production and we are happy to report that PPS has received a check from JJP today.
In reality, many aspects of the game are already in production. That is thousands of parts, assemblies, cabinets, and related items. One thing not in production yet is our playfield as we are waiting for some approval of aspects of the playfield artwork. Our playfield manufacturing company is ready to go chomping at the bit (literally) to begin that shortly.
The first batch of cabinets are in the completion process and we will show them in the next update but below is a link to the raw wood being cut for our cabinets.
We have been asked to show the Winged Monkey Mech and Dorothy's Spinning House which we are doing today. Both shown are not the completed versions but will give you an idea of what they will be. All of the motors and mechs in the game are 12VDC and all feed off of our JJP proprietary I/O Board.
A picture of the mirrored backglass is shown in a quick shot too.
Some great Videos
&feature=youtu.be
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OOps
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lookin good
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To be honest the Back Box looks plain is that a speaker panel at the top like the ballys had? When the games on will look good with LCD running but plain as it is now and those DAM slippers now I dont like them *%* Spinning house I suppose with music and so on it'll come to life.
Peter
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I'm amazed that JJP is sharing this amount of information with the public. The video of the CNC is simply outstanding. JJP is certainly providing a valuable insight into their processes. I'm simply AMAZED at the available info. I'm really looking forward to seeing this game and playing it.
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Yes a lot of info there .
His private forum is going bonkers with posts .
It was a point of dissusion about 8 months ago , that a inbulit camera would take a photo of the high score player and post his photo and the score on the net .
I don't know if the camera thing was a go ahead ( don't think so ), but I'll ask Jack .
As for the sound , I think he told me that the sound was rated way over 500watt of power (TBC). Speakers are on top of the LCD screen
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You never know this pin could be the next action block buster.....
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Was just surfing the WEB and I found this !@) yours truly
Didn't know this page existed
http://arcadeheroes.com/2012/01/10/new-pictures-of-jersey-jack-pinballs-wizard-of-oz/
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Was just surfing the WEB and I found this !@) yours truly
Didn't know this page existed
http://arcadeheroes.com/2012/01/10/new-pictures-of-jersey-jack-pinballs-wizard-of-oz/
Lol!! You're famous Mr Long Time Customer! ^^^
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Was just surfing the WEB and I found this !@) yours truly
Didn't know this page existed
http://arcadeheroes.com/2012/01/10/new-pictures-of-jersey-jack-pinballs-wizard-of-oz/
Good stuff ^^^
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A face that only a mother would love @.@
Was just surfing the WEB and I found this !@) yours truly
Didn't know this page existed
http://arcadeheroes.com/2012/01/10/new-pictures-of-jersey-jack-pinballs-wizard-of-oz/
Good stuff ^^^
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I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do believe in spooks
The backboxes are very glossy
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Cabinets are in production, looks like they didn't paint a straight line inside the cabinet or to the bottom edge.
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Back boxes are in production, looks playfields are ready on a rack in the background towards the end.
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Greetings Pinball Fans,
Today is the first day of Spring. As the trees and flowers bloom and days grow warmer, our production begins to heat up.
Here's a short and sweet update with are some pictures of cabinets in production and we also treat you to another Chris Granner masterpiece.
Enjoy the day!
http://cgmusic.net/jjp/munchkinmball.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxiR...ature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgGS4...ature=youtu.be
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Quality looks great but the themes so wrong for pinball its a shame they didn't get a better licence.
Peter
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Quality looks great but the themes so wrong for pinball its a shame they didn't get a better licence.
Peter
Ok
Thank you for that point of view,
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Quality looks great but the themes so wrong for pinball its a shame they didn't get a better licence.
Peter
Ok
Thank you for that point of view,
I have the same opinion as Peter (Gorgar1). The quality of the product looks awesome, and I will be supportive of the title, but the theme is poor. Just to flip Stern with JJP - I wonder what JPP would have come up with if he had the AC/DC license ?
Reminds me of when Bally released KISS and Dolly Parton. Chalk and cheese. Should have been Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin or Aerosmith instead of DP. But I digress.. But that illustrates the point I'm making.
CSI is a poor theme, but the game is an absolute CRACKER. This is where I draw the comparison with WOZ. I'm looking forward to playing it and I enjoy reading the updates.
I think JJP is raising the bar, that's for sure. WOZ will be a positive step and hopefully been regarded as P2000 was when it was released. The technology and potential was enormous. That's where I see JPP and WOZ at.
There's a lot of hype surrounding AC/DC and WOZ. I cannot remember two games that have polarized the industry as much as these two games. This is GREAT for pinball.
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You and every one else is enyitled to your opinion
But WoZ wad annoinced 14 months ago. I am tired of non buyers comtinual ' The theme sucks' posts
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Polar opinions make forums work, its only an opinion. just like ugly colours on cars at caryards, some people love them, some people hate them. It doesnt matter if someone dislikes WOZ. What matters is that when u get one home PBPete, u will love it and enjoy every minute of it, as will apx 1000 plus others. ^^^
sometimes the word "different" in pinball means people have less than positive opinions. I have bought alot of Sega/Data East games which people have bagged. I didnt listen and bought them all, and if anything, peoples opposite opinions spurred me on, which today, I am very glad they did, cause all these games are excellent.
There has never been a WOZ game before, that makes it different and unique. That makes it attractive to me and others anyway. Some like AC/DC, others dislike it, same with WOZ. Love it, hate it, its all good. People not liking a title doesnt mean u have made a bad decision in buying it, it just means they wouldnt buy it. It wont matter when u are playing your WOZ and enjoying every second of it !
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As Nino and Brett said I think the advancement in pinball Jack is creating is awesome and its great for pinball and the WOZ buyers will no doubt love there games, My opinion on theme is just that my opinion and that's what forums are for to have our say.
Peter
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You and every one else is enyitled to your opinion
But WoZ wad annoinced 14 months ago. I am tired of non buyers comtinual ' The theme sucks' posts
Yup. I'm aware of that.
I've been planning on buying a NIB title for 3 years. I was close with Ironman. Transformers and Avatar is not my thing, and I'm not a fan of AC/DC or Rolling Stones. So the theme IS relevant and IS the deciding factor as to what I will buy. I don't care if it is a Stern, JPP or whatever.
I will be a committed buyer when the theme is relevant to my tastes. It's a personal thing. I'm sure all the WOZ fans will LOVE this machine, and I'm happy for them. I'll also be aware of the fact that when a manufacturer releases a title with a theme that will attract my hard earned $$, that there will be people that don't like it.
Let's say Stern's next title is "KISS"" - I know pinheads will not like this at all, but I know many wealthy fans will buy the game - sight unseen. I'd buy it - no hesitation. If JPP released a "Dream Theater" Pin - No hesitation - I'd buy it. If either manufacturer developed an "Escape from New York" (my favorite movie of all time) - No hesitation.
Without hijacking the thread too much, my point is that theme is the most important buying decision for me. It's a personal thing. I just wanted to make that clear. I VERY MUCH look forward to playing WOZ.
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A guy tells his mate his wife is "ugly", the husband replies "yeh, but u arent sleeping with her, so it dont matter does it".lol %.%
A guy tells his mate his pinball theme "sucks", his mate replies, "yeh but its not in your loungeroom and u aint playing it". lol %.%
same point, different product. if that makes sense.
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Yep its all about theme for me to-either KISS OR AC/DC and AC/DC came first, imaging if Jack got that licence.
Peter
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A guy tells his mate his wife is "ugly", the husband replies "yeh, but u arent sleeping with her, so it dont matter does it".lol %.%
A guy tells his mate his pinball theme "sucks", his mate replies, "yeh but its not in your loungeroom and u aint playing it". lol %.%
same point, different product. if that makes sense.
LOL where do you dig this stuff up from mate @.@
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I just made it op on the spot ofcourse.lol this place can be so serious n dry most of the time. &&
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Yep its all about theme for me to-either KISS OR AC/DC and AC/DC came first, imaging if Jack got that licence.
Peter
imagine if Jack had not decided to make WoZ
Do you think Stern would have made acdc, and included the custom tots?
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this place can be so serious n dry most of the time. &&
Shooda used this smiley ---> :tumble:
Keep in mind that Jersey Jack is located in the US after all, so with Kansas being smack-dab in the center of the country and the movie being so popular here, it's a more natural thing to assume the theme's appeal would be popular. Kind of like ABBA or ACDC or [insert your favorite Aussie footy team here] or something might be down there. I don't think nationalism has any weight whatsoever in the choice or anything, but the movie (and slot machines) are widely popular here in the states.
I wish I could afford one. Hopefully he keeps churning out future titles with a similarly amazing cast of creators.
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Spoke to Jack today and asked him if he can give me some info on the back glass that I can post exclusivly on the Australian forums .
Cheers Tony
My questions
Will it lift out or be on a hinge?.
lift up and out
Will the LCD be fixed or hinge ?
fixed - 4 screws and out
Is the electrical board behind the LCD .
no
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From JJP forum , RE Texas show
Tony
I was at Jack's seminar at TPF today. Jack invited Steve Ritchie to
come sit in the front row, which SR accepted. They had a funny
exchange at the end, when Jack told Steve that he needed to do better
in his own discussion later, to which Steve said "That shouldn't be
hard." you can tell that they like and respect each other.
New music was played. Equal in quality to what has been previously
released.
3 new animations shown. One of Dorothy being captured by the Flying
Monkeys. One of the Emerald City Multiball locks, and another showing
the Scarecrow, Tinman and Lion locks.
A bit of PF art was shown, on thenHaunted Forest area. It looked
awesome. Lots of purples and blues and darks in that area. The trees
were on the pops and looked great. Jack said that the trees will
"talk" when they are hit.
The PF art hangup is an issue with the Munchkins. He wouldn't go too
far into it, other than to say that they had differing ideas on how to
go about the art regarding the Munchkins. It is not a likeness issue
with any surviving Munchkin, however.
Jack made it clear that there have been some Red Herrings tossed into
the update mix, to keep competition on their toes.
When asked if he had a target date yet, Jack said that "June or July
is probably a pretty good estimate".Oh, Pin #2 is set. No official announcement yet, but it is licensed,
and JJP has the license in the bag. Jack said that there was
competition for the license, but the license holder picked JJP after
seeing what they had accomplished to date.
Pin 2 slated for December 2013 release.
Jack said that the decision to go with the license and design team for
Pin 2 might have upset some people, but that he is still committed to
unlicensed pins in the future. Nordseth getting bumped to #3????
Jack is open to "going to the bullpen" for other pinball designers to
get into the game down the line. Everyone in the room looked at SR,
who probably didn't hear what Jack had said.
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Thanks for another update Ant68.
Sounds like the final tick of approval from WB on the playfield is really the main hurdle left to overcome. Must be very frustrating for the JJP team (not just those waiting for the finished pin). All good things come to those who wait....
When asked if he had a target date yet, Jack said that "June or July
is probably a pretty good estimate
Is this when they will start shipping, so it may be a month or so after that before goods arrive in 'OZ'?
Pin #2 is set. No official announcement yet, but it is licensed,
and JJP has the license in the bag. Jack said that there was
competition for the license, but the license holder picked JJP after
seeing what they had accomplished to date.
The Hobbit?
Everyone in the room looked at SR,
who probably didn't hear what Jack had said.
That's funny because it's probably true....
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After reading that JJ pin number 2 is a done deal in regards to title ect,just checking Tony with the release date being Dec 2013 ?.Is that correct as it seems a long time between pin 1 and pin 2.Do they get the wheels in motion for the second pin very quickly or is it a long process as we are in March 2012.It seems a long time as Stern would most likely have released 5 titles in that time.
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After reading that JJ pin number 2 is a done deal in regards to title ect,just checking Tony with the release date being Dec 2013 ?.Is that correct as it seems a long time between pin 1 and pin 2.Do they get the wheels in motion for the second pin very quickly or is it a long process as we are in March 2012.It seems a long time as Stern would most likely have released 5 titles in that time.
Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1
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Yes you maybe right , he maybe buying some time so people don't expect game 2 in 6 months .
I know what tony means 2013 is a long time away . I'll suss him out &&
After reading that JJ pin number 2 is a done deal in regards to title ect,just checking Tony with the release date being Dec 2013 ?.Is that correct as it seems a long time between pin 1 and pin 2.Do they get the wheels in motion for the second pin very quickly or is it a long process as we are in March 2012.It seems a long time as Stern would most likely have released 5 titles in that time.
Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1
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Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1
Also, a first for any company is a big deal. So after completion of pinball #1 for JJP you would expect them to ride the wave on a high for some time before marketing another title. Milk it for all it's worth so to speak. Jack has talked up and demonstrated time and time again he's aiming for quality rather than quantity, so I'm not really surprised it's taking longer on the product than some may expect. After all he's not just building a pinball machine, he's building a company from the ground up.
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Jack still has to make 1000 le's and who knows how many standard WoZ
The WoZ timeline has blown out more tha most people expeted, i am sure some buyers are getting a little antsy
Jack has said that he would prefer to under promise and over deliver. Maybe the 2013 is so that pople wont expect game#2 to ship a few mlnths after game#1
Also, a first for any company is a big deal. So after completion of pinball #1 for JJP you would expect them to ride the wave on a high for some time before marketing another title. Milk it for all it's worth so to speak. Jack has talked up and demonstrated time and time again he's aiming for quality rather than quantity, so I'm not really surprised it's taking longer on the product than some may expect. After all he's not just building a pinball machine, he's building a company from the ground up.
Well said ^^^
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Its all still tooo slowwww but. The second title coming out in december 2013 might be because they have to wait for both the Hobbitt movies to be made and played (which i think the hobbitt title is a bit lame, because its too close to the Lord of the Rings etc, although it will sell if done right etc).
The bit about getting the licence over n above Stern because someone saw what they were doing etc is complete BS because he secured the licence well before he even started the production of WOZ, so it seems Jack is just flying his own flag there. I was told well over 12 /15 months ago about the Hobbitt licence.
* Either way, JJP will need to get this WOZ machine going very quicklly now, because people are getting very fidgetty. His next release shld be MUCH quicker than Dec 2013, thats a mistake. So far, STERN is still leading the way with everything else, except the 27inch LCD.
JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought. and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.
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Patience..... He has to build a factory, and he is concentrating on a quality machine which starting from scratch is a massive task, plus he is raising the bar on what Stern do in looks, quality and technology - you watch Stern will pump out the machines and then copy to stay in the game and possibly slow down to put more effort into it. And it gives you time to save those pennies.
I am sure once WOZ is in production and flowing out the door it may warrant having 2 design teams running so a third machine will come out the door much faster which is what Stern are doing (running 2 teams one delayed by 3 months after the other). I think Stern need to pick up their game with some more quality toys - swinging band and cannon - you can tell they were designed, made and tested in a week - we are in 2012 and quality needs to be a bit higher than that.
Its all still tooo slowwww but. The second title coming out in december 2013 might be because they have to wait for both the Hobbitt movies to be made and played (which i think the hobbitt title is a bit lame, because its too close to the Lord of the Rings etc, although it will sell if done right etc).
The bit about getting the licence over n above Stern because someone saw what they were doing etc is complete BS because he secured the licence well before he even started the production of WOZ, so it seems Jack is just flying his own flag there. I was told well over 12 /15 months ago about the Hobbitt licence.
* Either way, JJP will need to get this WOZ machine going very quicklly now, because people are getting very fidgetty. His next release shld be MUCH quicker than Dec 2013, thats a mistake. So far, STERN is still leading the way with everything else, except the 27inch LCD.
JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought. and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.
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JJP is definitely being professional and getting involved in the pinball community by promoting and sponsoring various shows.
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I have no problem with the timing of the JPP releases. As mentioned, he is starting from scratch. From a technology standpoint, JPP is raising the bar for Stern to follow. If Stern don't update to LCD, then they will be ones left behind. It will take time for Stern to modify their production line etc etc.
Jack has always been the conduit between Stern and the Operators / Collectors. He knows what people want. His new platform is the key here.
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If Stern don't update to LCD, then they will be ones left behind.
Agree they need to do something, funnily it will be another "Monkey see, monkey do" effort from Stern with an LCD copy - just like the days of Bally copies by classic Stern, and WMS copies by DE, there will be no innovation. Why can't they come up with something new? It wasn't rocket science to go to an LCD by JJP. Time Stern comes up with something they can patent, something new and innovative.
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As a end user, everyone always wants things yesterday ofcourse.
** One question, since JJP is making a widebody now, do u guys want to see more JJP widebodies, or a std body next time, and also, do u want very fast widebodies, or the typical medium paced widebody ??
what playfield shld JJP make next, wide or std ? !@#
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Copied from RGP
I’m kinda surprised nobody has posted about this yet. Or if they have
I missed it. Some of this you may already know but I didn't.
A few things that caught my attention was:
1. The playfield will be removable just like P2000
2. All of the electronics will be modular and easily disconnected for
service.
3. On the screen behind Jack we saw: “3X scoring with reverse
flippers” for one of the modes.
I am very excited about the reverse flippers. Also the pictures I saw
of the playfield artwork is spectacular. Much better than I
anticipated. And the video modes are unreal.
Lastly, during a private conversation before the seminar, Jack stated
the Rainbow plastic will not be used. Really glad to hear that.
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JJP needs to up the anti with new titles, and match Stern with frequency of releases or they will only barely dint the home collector pinny market. No use going for quality if u only release 2 machines in a 3 plus year period. food for thought. and yes, i still like JJP, but the release date of 2013 december is tooo sloowwww.
I listened to a older Spooky podcast today (second interview on spooky between Charlie and Jack) which was late last year, he said that he does not intend to release more than one game a year as he is focusing on game quality and pleasing the customer. In addition he said that Nordman has a personal game design partially done and it may also be one of the released games late 2013 but more likely early 2014. He stated that all games will have a LCD and therefore require programming etc which involves a bit of work.
He is a smart guy and said that he hopes to make a few thousand WOZ's especially with a future WOZ movie release.
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Maybe JJP will make more titles than what they say, and its all a smoke screen for Stern to think they will only do one title a year.
If Stern does 3 or 5 titles a year, and lifts its game with a LCD ? maybe that will leave JJP in the dust. Another issue, is that if JJP only does one title a year, perhaps Stern will not feel the need to even go to a LCD screen.
Someone raised a good point about the missing artwork/translite artwork being missing when u have a 27 inch screen instead of the standard translite.
We have come to love the great artwork on a translite when the game is turned off. Maybe people will be 50/50 about the LCD screen when it hits the sales floors n people's houses. I still think only 1 game a year is not enough, if they go that way. U cant argue quality because Stern are there now with the ac/dc releases, and things will get even better. the sooner we all see a WOZ in person the better.
p.s - will stern even be able to do 5 titles a year given the bad USA economy ? and the same for JJP, will the bad USA economy support more titles per annum ?
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RE, how many games per year
It depends on who you think your customer base is
it seems to me that Jack is aiming towards the home collector, rather than operators. with the Stern LEs, I am thinking the same with Garry
I do not know about others, but I would be hard pressed to buy two (let alone more ) NIB games in a one year period
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JJ presentation at Texas Pin Festival.
Playfield artwork sneak peak at :17 sec onwards
Worth watching though just for the stone faced Steve Ritchie
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I am over'updates'
The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'
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I am over'updates'
The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'
It's like being a kid waiting for Christmas day @@^
At least there are progress updates. If it is one thing these guys have learned - keep the market updated. Much UNLIKE other efforts to produce or reproduce pinball machines.
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I am over'updates'
The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'
Hey Pete, Enjoy the journey, it's part of the fun!!
I remember sort of feeling a bit like you for a short time during BBB, but started to learn to enjoy the ride itself, that became just as fun as actually getting the game, waiting for little bits of info or photos to pop up. I haven't got one of these on pre-order, but do have a car that has been on the drawing boards for years just gone into production and now only a few months away, and I am enjoying that journey too.
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Hey I remember something about that in a long-ago PM. So the EV is what has kept the Nick & Nug 2.0 pinnie slowed down I assume.
According to this thread, you're supposed to release pictures and updates along the way. No EV sketches, no photos, no funny stories about being grounded during assembly, no beer spilled into the duct work? What's up with that?
Since that's all hijacking and off-topic, I'll just add that I really wish I had the funds for a WOZ. I'd love to jump on that bandwagon if I could.
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RE, how many games per year
It depends on who you think your customer base is
it seems to me that Jack is aiming towards the home collector, rather than operators. with the Stern LEs, I am thinking the same with Garry
I do not know about others, but I would be hard pressed to buy two (let alone more ) NIB games in a one year period
If they only do one title a year and you don't like Woz or say the hobbit, then they won't get your money for a three year period. With stern doing three or more titles per year minimum, if u don't like one title u can probably look at buying one of the others. Maybe more than one title per twelve or eighteen months might be the go.
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Jack's done well in branding his JJP business, but what gets me is that the product they're currently making is primary targeted for the home collector. What about the operators? Will they make Pro models like Stern's current model setups??
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my understanding is that he believes operators will place more machines on site that have more bang for ya buck with the widebody, 27inch screen.3 playfields etc etc.
iF JJP puts a WOZ in every place he has put his poker machines, he has hundreds of sites already raring to go. Maybe people in casinos will enjoy and play the WOZ. (seeing lots of 50 to 80 year olds line-ing up to play a WOZ at a casino would be a great photo.lol)
But seriously, Maybe sites are already lined up for alot of WOZ machines ? Ask Tony's(ANT's) opinion re site operators with this one, he knows Jack well).
the costings in the USA are much more attractive than the inflated prices we pay over here. (add $1500 plus because of all the extra shipping etc).
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Won't work over here Brett. Who's going to pay $9k on a product with little return?
Let's use Stern's Transformers pin for example. There's only 2 x units that I know off, located on site here in Melbourne.
Many on the coast or Brisbane for the matter?
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JJP must have a plan for the WOZ with site operators in the USA ? I see your point, it will be a different story over here placing one on site thats for sure.
U are correct, $9,000 is alot of money to site a machine etc. There are not that many of anything brand new, up here sited either. The few operators I do know of, make morer money siting them in the lunch rooms of corporate companies on a short to long term basis. That way, the machines get looked after, only played by 10 or 20 staff members, and set to freeplay. Thats the most profitable way to site a machine I am told, by a bloke who has been renting/siting stuff for 20 years.
Does anyone have any info about JJP's plans to site WOZ, or any info from Jack about his ideas to secure operators. I only know of his original idea that people will site a better machine over a lesser machine, hence his aim to make a "better" machine allround. Any news releases to do with operators and JJP in the USA would be good ! ^^^
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Jack is an operator , so he's ideas are
Make it bright and noticable
Include a LCD to attract people to the machine and make them want to play it
Have an awesome Attract mode to lure people to it ( mainly via LCD)
A lot of eye candy on the PF
Each operator gets a Note Acceptor fitted to there WOZ complements of Jack to help generate earnings (people don't carry coins around these days ) .
He may also include another bonus item for the operators to help with earnings .
Interactive topper
PDI Glass for better viewing .
He is also making the PRO version which he has sold quite a few, which is more geared for the opertor .
my understanding is that he believes operators will place more machines on site that have more bang for ya buck with the widebody, 27inch screen.3 playfields etc etc.
iF JJP puts a WOZ in every place he has put his poker machines, he has hundreds of sites already raring to go. Maybe people in casinos will enjoy and play the WOZ. (seeing lots of 50 to 80 year olds line-ing up to play a WOZ at a casino would be a great photo.lol)
But seriously, Maybe sites are already lined up for alot of WOZ machines ? Ask Tony's(ANT's) opinion re site operators with this one, he knows Jack well).
the costings in the USA are much more attractive than the inflated prices we pay over here. (add $1500 plus because of all the extra shipping etc).
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art work is out
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104524641178-156/WOZ+Playfield+.pdf
Judging from the Woz forums, I must be the only person who does not like it
Maybe it will look better when on a populated playfield
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March 31, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
It is with great pleasure and pride that we are able to reveal the playfield artwork today for our Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine.
This has been in the works since last July when Greg Freres along with Keith Johnson started getting into the rules of the game.
Jack would love to say that we did not lose time in the playfield artwork approval process but we probably lost a few weeks in the back and forth but it was worth the result.
Jack is quoted "The approval process has taken several weeks and the result was well worth it. We do not believe in cutting and pasting already existing artwork from a licensor and slapping it on our Pinball Machines. Greg has tirelessly worked to create this with passion and if I hired any old artist we could have had playfield artwork completed last July. Greg is, in my opinion, the best pinball artist of today because of the time he takes, his talent and his passion for pinball and we are truly proud of his work."
Greg Says:
Welcome to the long-awaited WB-approved playfield art for the Wizard of Oz. I've read so many posts over the past couple months and understood the pain y'all were going through. I was inspired by many of your posts when you first saw the castle playfield so thanks for helping me get through the last stages of the design process. I am still not used to having so many people be so aware of a project...it's been a bit unnerving to say the least.
When we first started the project there were two major elements that I used as the springboard - the fact that we were going to use "hand-drawn" artwork and the idea that the playfield was somehow divided between the Good Witch/Bad Witch sides of the storyline. And when Joe's design started coming to life and there really was a nice division between the two sides this was a great starting point to think about how the art would also be divided.
I'll have more to say in the near future about all the background that went into the steps I took to get this where it is today but one of the things when dealing with a license is working within the constraints and limitations they provide. With that said, I can honestly say this is a combination of hand-drawn and photo related elements to remain true to the licensor's requests. My goal was to create as much visual unity or continuity between the design elements so the end result was one flowing piece of art.
The great thing about this playfield is the organic layout that Joe has created with the myriad of shots. Since my last commercial game, Revenge from Mars, I had become accustomed to working with the "fan" style layout which can be somewhat easier for an artist to work with. I think my work on WNBJM was a good warm up for this layout because, it too was more organic in its design approach.
One of the visual anchors for this layout, the spiraling Yellow Brick Road, was one of the first elements I created to get the design process started. Interestingly enough, the placement of the Wicked Witch at the bottom came along later in the development but it made sense immediately because of the Ruby Slipper Flippers. She's gotta' get those shoes!
Now that the suspense is over, I hope you enjoy the look and feel of this piece. Don't forget you are only looking at one piece of the puzzle - there are a lot more visuals that make a playfield a cohesive unit and I too can't wait to see all of Matt's dimensional elements push this over the top. Once the game is together we are sure the entire package will become an entertaining trip down the Yellow Brick Road. Cheers, Greg
There are still many surprises to reveal as the assembly of the game moves forward. The plan is to have a game on a public location in May. More to follow.
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a reduced image
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Looks a bit Stern-ish to me, photoshop special. Way too much blank space in that brown area, and not that attractive a brown (or whatever colour it is). I don't mind the cabinet art, but not too keen on the playfield from first impressions. I'm guessing the ramps and stuff will temper it a bit.
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Here's a mock up
http://i39.tinypic.com/smudud.jpg
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My first reaction was that it wasn't quite what I was expecting but only because of the build-up and delays of approval etc for the playfield, but I wouldn't go as far as saying I don't like it. It's hard to judge it in isolation as this is just another piece of the puzzle. When it all comes together, that's when all the colour choices, designs, sounds, music and inclusions will bring it to life.
I'm still very confident it will look great once the playfield is fully populated and we can see the complete machine full of toys.
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Great inclusion with the mockup link Ant68. *%*
Seeing that reinforces that it will be something special.
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I LIKE IT !
Overall, i think it looks t-riffic. I espescially like all the detail, and the mirror image silver ball with the characters inside the pinball looking out. It has never been done before to my knowledge. I like the detail and like the yellow brick road etc. They must have chosen the brown colour to give it a farm like earthy tone for the Kansas area etc. I would have preferred the blue colour from the top left area of the playarea, but it is early days until all the puzzle is placed together. The slingshot plastics plus other stuff has to be placed on yet.
I am not a fan of the red slipper flippers, but thats an easy fix. I like the rainbow plastic on the top right side which they have since abandoned ?
I reckon the artwork is alot more sharper than what STERN has been using, and the pictures are crisp and clearer with alot more pixels being used for a high definition result.
OVERALL, I am impressed. I reckon this will be a cracker of a game 4 sure. It just got better for WOZ buyers ! ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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I reckon I had better not say too much until this actually gets released ^&^
What is with the flippers shoes @.@
Anyway - wait and see I guess - proof is in the pudding as they say.
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I think I'm one of the few that doesn't mind the slipper flippers. I've heard a number of others mention it looks 'gay' but IMHO it is a central element to the story and to me it makes sense to have them in the game. At least, for those that really can't stand them it's an easy fix to remove them.
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Here's a mock up
http://i39.tinypic.com/smudud.jpg
Better populated - still not taken with that lower playfield colour.
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I think it looks great. Very colorful without being TOO colorful..
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I reckon I had better not say too much until this actually gets released ^&^
What is with the flippers shoes @.@
Anyway - wait and see I guess - proof is in the pudding as they say.
in the movie the wicjed witch want the red slippers, at one point se tries to grab them and they give her an electric shock
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I reckon I had better not say too much until this actually gets released ^&^
What is with the flippers shoes @.@
Anyway - wait and see I guess - proof is in the pudding as they say.
I agree.
Peter
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AWESOME NEWS
check out the following thread
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=8185.new#new
in about 2 months time comp N0:3 will have the WOZ LE as the lauch machine within a week of arriving in Aus (Newcastle / Central Coast / Sydney area). This is big as doubt many of these will go into the wild.
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your friend has more confidence in humanity than I do, placing 9 grand pinball machines into the wild. all it takes is one idiot with a texta to tag the machine and its bye bye 5 grand in value ! (on that point, does ya mate research replacement decals before deciding to site a machine ?)
anyway, good news about the WOZ LE. ^^^
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I reckon I had better not say too much until this actually gets released ^&^
What is with the flippers shoes @.@
Anyway - wait and see I guess - proof is in the pudding as they say.
in the movie the wicjed witch want the red slippers, at one point se tries to grab them and they give her an electric shock
:lol Thanks Pete - I have seen the movie and understand the correlation, I meant more like WTF is with those big gay slippers on top of the flippers - NOT to my liking #@#
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some photos of the playfield starting to be populated.
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I reckon I had better not say too much until this actually gets released ^&^
What is with the flippers shoes @.@
Anyway - wait and see I guess - proof is in the pudding as they say.
in the movie the wicjed witch want the red slippers, at one point se tries to grab them and they give her an electric shock
:lol Thanks Pete - I have seen the movie and understand the correlation, I meant more like WTF is with those big gay slippers on top of the flippers - NOT to my liking #@#
I'll also have to wait to see one in person luckily a friend is buying one so I'm able to play one but I'm still not sold on the theme, I can't use the G word cause it's got me in trouble on another forum ha ha whatever :) but I do hope it's a winner for future releases
Peter
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Rolling Stones Pin, what next KISS ^&^ or Beatles....
Cold Chisel?
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in the 2nd picture, the rainbow plastic from the top right side is back (even though Jack from JJP said it was being canned ?) but i reckon that plastic looks great and adds some great colour.
it will be good to see the slingshot plastics, and the last few details. I reckon the browny colour fits in well and the earthy tone is fine. Again something new to pinball is really different and adds something because it is again unique.
the plastics and the WOZ trees from the enchanted forrest on the left rear side look amazing. This is going to be one amazing machine when done !
IS ANYONE FROM AP considering buying the non LE version when it comes out, thus saving apx 1 grand, having a machine without any first run production hassles, and therefore taking advantage of being able to play n check out the machine before spending ?? !@# !@#
(u can easily re powdercoat the silver std legs n side armour back to emerald green like the LE model, the PDI glass aint such a big deal, and i am not sure as to what other differences, if at all there is ???)
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and i am not sure as to what other differences, if at all there is ???)
On pinside they are saying the pdi glass could be beneficial because the lcd could throw out some glare. Also in a interview with Jack a while ago he stated that there will be LE plague as well as real ruby stones used within the game - maybe on the flippers and just standard flippers on the standard machines ???
But unlike Stern Jack believes that a standard game and LE should have all the same game play features just the LE's are more blinged up - which I think is a better approach than what Stern does.
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in the 2nd picture, the rainbow plastic from the top right side is back (even though Jack from JJP said it was being canned ?) but i reckon that plastic looks great and adds some great colour.
I agree. It works!
and i am not sure as to what other differences, if at all there is ???)
I believe there's a topper that interacts with the game, but Ant68 may know more on that.
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The WOZ LE has a topper, shaker motor, non glare glass, emerald green trim, mirrored back glass, signed certificate of authenticity
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I love the area circled on this game..... a last chance to score some extra points by using some body action as the ball drains down the side. Its a throw back to 40's and 50's games where body interaction ( nudging) was expected... JJ has brought this back and looking at the placement id say seriously encouraging the player to be one with the machine.
On the flipside, its a shame that the RAINBOW isnt done as drop targets, but then again i suppose its hard to make a curved drop bank.
I like a lot about the game play on this machine... absolutely HATE the flippers and the theme is just not there for me... a few of my US pinball friends are scratching their heads at the theme also.
Ignore the theme and id say this is a cracker of a machine which is made to a high spec... look forward to the reviews
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/WOZ.jpg)
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I havent commented on this post,as the title does nothing for me
I do think this is great for pinball in general and I think it makes Stern lift their game.
I have no doubt it has made AC/DC a better game
Competition is always healthy and these guys are preaching quality,which I really like
I do know someone who is getting one and I look forward to giving it a go and seeing the difference in quality
I think it will be great fun to play,regardless of the theme
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in the 2nd picture, the rainbow plastic from the top right side is back (even though Jack from JJP said it was being canned ?) but i reckon that plastic looks great and adds some great colour.
it will be good to see the slingshot plastics, and the last few details. I reckon the browny colour fits in well and the earthy tone is fine. Again something new to pinball is really different and adds something because it is again unique.
the plastics and the WOZ trees from the enchanted forrest on the left rear side look amazing. This is going to be one amazing machine when done !
IS ANYONE FROM AP considering buying the non LE version when it comes out, thus saving apx 1 grand, having a machine without any first run production hassles, and therefore taking advantage of being able to play n check out the machine before spending ?? !@# !@#
(u can easily re powdercoat the silver std legs n side armour back to emerald green like the LE model, the PDI glass aint such a big deal, and i am not sure as to what other differences, if at all there is ???)
You can buy a standard and upgrade to pdi glass,emerald rails etc
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missed this one but here is the latest update from pinball news
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index24.html
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interview between Pingame Journal and Greg Freres
March 31, 2012--Greg Freres' Wizard Of Oz final playfield art!
GREG: Welcome to the long-awaited WB-approved playfield art for the Wizard of Oz. I've read so many posts over the past couple months and understood the pain y'all were going through. I was inspired by many of your posts when you first saw the castle playfield so thanks for helping me get through the last stages of the design process. I am still not used to having so many people be so aware of a project...it's been a bit unnerving to say the least.
When we first started the project there were two major elements that I used as the springboard - the fact that we were going to use "hand-drawn" artwork and the idea that the playfield was somehow divided between the Good Witch/Bad Witch sides of the storyline. And when Joe's design started coming to life and there really was a nice division between the two sides this was a great starting point to think about how the art would also be divided. I'll have more to say in the near future about all the background that went into the steps I took to get this where it is today but one of the things when dealing with a license is working within the constraints and limitations they provide. With that said, I can honestly say this is a combination of hand-drawn and photo related elements to remain true to the licensor's requests. My goal was to create as much visual unity or continuity between the design elements so the end result was one flowing piece of art. The great thing about this playfield is the organic layout that Joe has created with the myriad of shots. Since my last commercial game, Revenge from Mars, I had become accustomed to working with the "fan" style layout which can be somewhat easier for an artist to work with. I think my work on WNBJM was a good warm up for this layout because, it too was more organic in its design approach.
One of the visual anchors for this layout, the spiraling Yellow Brick Road, was one of the first elements I created to get the design process started. Interestingly enough, the placement of the Wicked Witch at the bottom came along later in the development but it made sense immediately because of the Ruby Slipper Flippers. She's gotta' get those shoes! Now that the suspense is over, I hope you enjoy the look and feel of this piece. Don't forget you are only looking at one piece of the puzzle - there are a lot more visuals that make a playfield a cohesive unit and I too can't wait to see all of Matt's dimensional elements push this over the top. Once the game is together we are sure the entire package will become an entertaining trip down the Yellow Brick Road. Cheers, Greg.
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ANT(Tony) can u find out if the rainbow plastic is staying ? I reckon it looks cool. I dont understand why people mdidnt like it, it looks fine ? !@#
!@# what do AP members think of the rainbow plastic which is top right of the playfield ? !@#
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Good question!
Coupled with the other known playfield inclusions shown in the 'mock up' I think it's great.
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ANT(Tony) can u find out if the rainbow plastic is staying ? I reckon it looks cool. I dont understand why people mdidnt like it, it looks fine ? !@#
!@# what do AP members think of the rainbow plastic which is top right of the playfield ? !@#
I read somewhere that It's going , I'll ask Jack .
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Pf art looks great but the game itself looks very stop start.
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!@# Does anyone know what the factory topper for WOZ will look like or do ? !@# (another question for Tony to ask Jack I think)
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It's a interactive blower ( to mimic tornado) not sure what it looks like .
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Maybe the blower/fan style topper for WOZ is a copy/something close to the topper on TWISTER which blows in your face during multiball. (photo added below) ^^^
Its nice during summer when the cold air blows on your face.lol Pictures on the WOZ one will be nice if they make one ? !@#
** Below is the photo for the fan topper from Twister, 1996 SEGA. The one from WOZ should look alot better I would imagine if they use one ?
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MORE great info and UPDATES for WOZ below. $#$
check out the great new link below >
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index23.html
incl a new video ! ^^^ ^^^
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Oh - a topper too - goody ^^^
:lol- U all know my thoughts on ALL toppers #@#0 thats just me.
I actually found one I liked the other week when I played a Whirlwind - so maybe the WOZ one will be ok !@#
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Jack has just posted picturrs of playfirlds ready to be populated
Interestingly, all the inserts are clear. He must be reling onthe LEDs to bring color to the playfield
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April 20, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
Since we have released the artwork for the playfield we have been busy on many fronts. The team at our MC is working on their prototype games as production parts continue to arrive daily at JJP in NJ. Jack spent last weekend at The Michigan Pinball Expo and had a blast with hundreds of people. KOZ and his people put on a great show. Thanks for everything and to everyone there. It gets bigger each year.
Jack spent the better part of this week visiting vendors in Chicagoland and at the MC. Next week, members of the Team will be in NJ to work on details of the production line and refine the various procedures and methods to build games. We will have another update at the end of next week.
We have not shown the Witch Mech. in a while so here's a shot of Matt and Bryan holding it. We are not showing the final at this time so these are prototype parts and some recent progress pictures. More on her next week.
We took a shot of some production playfields in a final stage of the Clearcoat™ process which is proprietary to JJP. Clearcoat™ brings out all of the vivid colors and subtle detail that Greg Freres work creates and when it's complete there is a beautiful hard clear finish.
Check out the link below for the exciting alliance we have formed with Dynamics, Inc.
This Sunday 4/22, both Jen and Drew celebrate Birthdays so everyone at JJP wishes them both well and Happy Earth Day too!
Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. and Dynamics Inc. Unveil Exclusive Pinball Experience™ Application for ePlate™ Payment
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That's a nice PLAYFIELD very bright and detailed. When I first heard about This title I cringed thinking how could they make this an appealing title (hate that damn movie). But there doing a bloody good job with it.
Thanks for the updates ^^^
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There is so much material to work with on this theme.
It is looking amazing @@*
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April 28, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
This weekend Jack is out in Denver at The Rocky Mountain Pinball Expo. Many thanks to Dan and Holly Nickolich for the hospitality and for the hard work that they and their people do to make this show happen.
At Noon today Jack spoke to a lively group of Pinball Fans many who have ordered ECLEWOZ games.
Greg Freres was there to show off the latest approved artwork, the playfield plastic set which is pictured below.
This past week Joe Balcer, Keith Johnson and Jim Thornton were at JJP Headquarters. The visit was the first of several planned in support of game production. Parts are still arriving daily and sub-assemblies are in process.
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Looks excellent. Thankyou for the update Tony (ANT). Dying to see a finished WOZ in person. Should be a beautiful machine.
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Welcome to Jack (Jersey Jack of JJP) who just joined our forum and became a member on 30th April. ^^^
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Hi Jack , Welcome to Aussie Pinball and welcome to your WOZ thread I started.
Bit of info mate ,this is one of the best Pinball forum around you know .
You'll meet some of the most dedicated pinball fanatics in oz , a bunch of real nice people .
Please join in when you can.
Cheers Tony
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$.$ & %)% Jack
Great that you have joined us, keep up the great work with your WOZ and JJP.
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%)% Jack.
Can't wait to see some more updates and the completed WOZ. Keep up the good work.
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So when is the release date?
I am keen to see the first video of the game up and running.
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I finally found that I do have an invioce number, I was one of the first 100 to sign up
Pity thid foes not mean my game wiill get here any time soon :(
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"We are on track to ship games in July"
from the J Man himself.
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JJ is really throwing down the gauntlet now for completion dates. The 2012 IFPA pinball championship is scheduled for June 8th in Seattle.
Check out the tentative game list under new:
http://www.ifpapinball.com/ifpa9-game-list
and the prizes:
http://www.nwpinballshow.com/
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May 13, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
It's taken a few weeks from the time the playfield artwork was approved to have actual production playfields. Between delays with receiving enough inserts to the printing and clear coating and curing of the playfields, they are making their way to our Midwest Campus and to NJ this week.
This past week Jack visited the MC and some vendors including the printing company and the cabinet company. "The good news is that everyone was busy everywhere I went producing parts for us. Everyone is doing an amazing job" Jack said. The level of dedication from a number of vendors is incredible as a number of them have made significant investments in equipment and in people to ramp up for production.
We are also showing the first animation using movie assets. JP is a master and here we are showing a modeled hourglass based on the movie as the timekeeper. In the first clip you were not successful and at the end the movie seems to melt on the bulb of the projector. In the second, you were successful. This is a tiny taste of what to expect on that beautiful Wells Gardner LCD.
Jen found a classic shot of Jack at work in 1975 at C.W. Post University in Glen Cove, NY. Jack wishes he still had a few of those games.
Our good friend and fellow pinhead, Creed / Alter Bridge guitarist Mark Tremonti just issued his first solo single, 'You Waste Your Time,' and it jumped up to No. 10 on the iTunes Rock Singles Chart after only one day of release.
The JJP logo uses the intro riff from You Waste Your Time and Mark will be doing a song that's included in our game. We wish Mark the best as he's on tour with Creed right now. http://loudwire.com/mark-tremonti-it...ste-your-time/
Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc0Qf...ature=youtu.be
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More Pic's
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That wooden apron looks weird
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here is a concept of what the playfield may look like which I stumbled across
Also someone stated that the wooden apron with the screened signatures is removeable with a green metal apron underneath. Maybe this is a LE part only that you can hang on the wall in your games room or leave in your game.
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here is a concept of what the playfield may look like which I stumbled across
Also someone stated that the wooden apron with the screened signatures is removeable with a green metal apron underneath. Maybe this is a LE part only that you can hang on the wall in your games room or leave in your game.
that looks uglier than a smashed crab, but as backhanded as this sounds, it does look like it could be fun
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Creed... :lol
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Less than one week before the big reveal :)
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Yep all the boys are in Chicago this week , happy days ahead .
Maybe be revealed the same time as X-men
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that looks uglier than a smashed crab, but as backhanded as this sounds, it does look like it could be fun
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I like it. It looks a lot better than I'd imagined and looks like plenty to do game play wise also.
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Creed... :lol
yeah creed makes me cry in pain too !!!
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Finally...
Greetings Pinball Fans,
As everyone slows down for a relaxing Holiday Weekend, the JJP Team is full speed ahead. Today we will show you the most recent playfield (about 95% Complete), as well as some plastics and elements of the playfield that haven't been shown yet.
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Very cool playfield! I really like it. ^^^
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Extra pics from here:
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index26.html
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Any vids? *%*
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That looks really good... looking forward to seeing a video of it in action
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Have to admit it does look better populated.
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:D WOW that looks like fun
The attention to detail and originality look amazing . Should be quite the eye catcher . Can't wait to see finished product with the light show and LCD working
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The witches castle is a bit disapointing
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36 pages of posts and game not even released yet... hoping this thread will knock ACDC one off the top of the pile... man that one got soooooo boring
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36 pages of posts and game not even released yet... hoping this thread will knock ACDC one off the top of the pile... man that one got soooooo boring
We won't see that many games here so you might be out of luck Gav - we'll need to motivate the members who are getting one to give us lots of "best game ever" posts.
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Oh, and to add another post to assist in Gav's request - while I did not like the playfield colour when it was shown unpopulated, my first reaction to the populated look was "awesome!!" - it really is looking very, very nice indeed.
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That's a sweet looking machine! But....I agree with you Pop Bumper Pete.
It will be interesting to see how the melting witch toy works as I'm a bit surprised to see her behind a screen. The early sneak peak pics of the witch with the cloth cloak seemed like a cool idea to resemble melting.
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It will be interesting to see how the melting witch toy works as I'm a bit surprised to see her behind a screen. The early sneak peak pics of the witch with the cloth cloak seemed like a cool idea to resemble melting.
I would guess the witch has a screen around her to protct her from airballs or balls getting trapped in the mechanism
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Oh, and to add another post to assist in Gav's request - while I did not like the playfield colour when it was shown unpopulated, my first reaction to the populated look was "awesome!!" - it really is looking very, very nice indeed.
I totally agree,was a bit shocked with the lower playfield but now it all ties in together. Part of my job at Bumper is unpacking and testing NIB's. Hope to unpack the first when it arrives in the country and report back to you guys. Cant wait for this game,it is looking better and better. More surprizes to come.
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Why should you get the first ones?
Ant signed on long before you became a distributor
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Why should you get the first ones?
Ant signed on long before you became a distributor
Bumper action are the exclusive distributor in the region, thats why Dave will see the first ones into the country
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Have to admit it does look better populated.
Actually - I agree.
Looks really busy - which could be a good thing.
The witch looks like she is in one of those 'cash blowing booths' where you stand in there and grabber notes in limited time :lol
Could this be a secret feature %.% %.% %.%
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Why should you get the first ones?
Ant signed on long before you became a distributor
She cool mate , I go back many years with Jack plus he's a personal friend .
I'll leave it up to Jack to work it out .
You never know I may have it sooner then later LOL LOL LOL
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The witch looks like she is in one of those 'blowing booths' where you stand in there and grabber notes in limited time :lol
Could this be a secret feature %.% %.% %.%
Sounds like a recent story line in the papers involving a MP Craig Thompson probally not so bad for him if she only takes cash instead of a credit card *)*
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Sounds like a recent story line in the papers involving a MP Craig Thompson probally not so bad for him if she only takes cash instead of a credit card *)*
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Bumper action are the exclusive distributor in the region, thats why Dave will see the first ones into the country
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Not sure with that one as when i put my money down with Jack, that question was asked, as at that time there was no distributor in Australia and Jack was going to ship mine direct to me.I be piss if i have to pay for two machines to get transported from one side of australia to another.
Got ripped when Stern wouldnt let Jack send over the LOTRLE, and had to go throught a Australian importer,after i had paid for two machine fully with Jack.Lost out $600 on the exchange rate.
Got a lot more time for Jack than i have for Gary.This machine, i feel, will lift the bar for pinball. ^^^
Either way it getting closer.
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I'm all for new pins and I take my hat off to Jack for this huge undertaking, I am impartial to the theme and that playfield does look great populated, but, I hope this isn't the most exciting mode of the game !@#
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Not sure with that one as when i put my money down with Jack, that question was asked, as at that time there was no distributor in Australia and Jack was going to ship mine direct to me.I be piss if i have to pay for two machines to get transported from one side of australia to another.
Got ripped when Stern wouldnt let Jack send over the LOTRLE, and had to go throught a Australian importer,after i had paid for two machine fully with Jack.Lost out $600 on the exchange rate.
Got a lot more time for Jack than i have for Gary.This machine, i feel, will lift the bar for pinball. ^^^
Either way it getting closer.
Maybe Bumper is only looking after South Eastern Australia, I'm sure Dave could shed some light on this
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here is a concept of what the playfield may look like which I stumbled across
Also someone stated that the wooden apron with the screened signatures is removeable with a green metal apron underneath. Maybe this is a LE part only that you can hang on the wall in your games room or leave in your game.
that looks uglier than a smashed crab, but as backhanded as this sounds, it does look like it could be fun
i still stand by this statement, its ugly and the theme is shite, but the game play looks very very fun, what a waste what looks like a good game on an ugly bad theme.
the extra picture showing the back glass and lcd actually makes me hate it more.
such a shame. so many good fun features. To me owning that machine is up there with owning an S.U.V, gay
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Bumper has orders from all over Australia and will ship to all who have ordered from us. Dont know what shipping arrangements will be for others that ordered direct from Jack. I presume that direct orders will be shipped on an individual basis.
Not sure with that one as when i put my money down with Jack, that question was asked, as at that time there was no distributor in Australia and Jack was going to ship mine direct to me.I be piss if i have to pay for two machines to get transported from one side of australia to another.
Got ripped when Stern wouldnt let Jack send over the LOTRLE, and had to go throught a Australian importer,after i had paid for two machine fully with Jack.Lost out $600 on the exchange rate.
Got a lot more time for Jack than i have for Gary.This machine, i feel, will lift the bar for pinball. ^^^
Either way it getting closer.
Maybe Bumper is only looking after South Eastern Australia, I'm sure Dave could shed some light on this
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here's a few more pics from a slightly different perspective
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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The detail and finish is amazing,makes stern pins look like they are made in china,i hope they make another pin with a less gay theme.
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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Do I hear +5....anyone....... &&
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Wow if JJP ever do some decent themed titles it will be a revelation for pinball.
The game looks amazing but I just can't get my head around the lame theme.
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+6........anyone???
Bueller, Bueller......... :lol
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Funnily enough i think JJP may have tapped into a new market.....Females!
I have yet to show this pin to a woman that was not interested in it. Am i rapt with the theme? No...but i think any new pin could be fun and if i see one onsite i will surely drop some money into it.
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Funnily enough i think JJP may have tapped into a new market.....Females!
I have yet to show this pin to a woman that was not interested in it. Am i rapt with the theme? No...but i think any new pin could be fun and if i see one onsite i will surely drop some money into it.
Agreed this will attract females but not sure many will be sited, more of a home use theme %$%
Peter
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Funnily enough i think JJP may have tapped into a new market.....Females!
I have yet to show this pin to a woman that was not interested in it. Am i rapt with the theme? No...but i think any new pin could be fun and if i see one onsite i will surely drop some money into it.
Agreed this will attract females but not sure many will be sited, more of a home use theme %$%
Peter
+1...will there be any of these sited in Oz?....no pun intended
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Maybe Mark Bouris might use WOZ for his next Yellow Brick Road ad campaign; or maybe on Celebrity Apprentice. What about free plays for YBR customers?
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Funnily enough i think JJP may have tapped into a new market.....Females!
I have yet to show this pin to a woman that was not interested in it. Am i rapt with the theme? No...but i think any new pin could be fun and if i see one onsite i will surely drop some money into it.
what woman???
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Here you go Guys enjoy , working version of WOZ
Well worth the wait ^^^
http://www.youtube.com/embed/vkaUNI0...toplay=1&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/embed/rO-oVZP...toplay=1&rel=0
http://www.youtube.com/embed/mrwZrtd...toplay=1&rel=0
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Hey Everyone today is a very exciting day as we get to unwrap our new
game at E3 in Los Angeles at Noon today.
As promised here is a quick sneak-peek of setup yesterday. As today
progresses we will upload more video of the booth and the game. Be
sure your Quality Settings are set to 480p for optimal viewing and
please note that WOZ Music was added to the video to drown out
background noise.
We are thrilled to be invited to exhibit the Wizard of Oz Pinball for
the first time publicly in the Dynamics Inc. booth 5536 West.
As you may know, in April we announced an alliance with Dynamics Inc.
and Jeff Mullen is a brilliant innovative inventor and entrepreneur
and lover of Pinball. We thank him for this great opportunity.
Dynamics Inc. was founded and seeded in 2007 by Jeff Mullen, its
President and CEO. Dynamics produces and manufactures intelligent
powered cards, such as advanced payment cards.
The WOZ Pinball machine in the booth accepts the new ePlate™ Payment
Device.
Jack says:
Showing WOZ at E3 to the world for the first time is an amazing
opportunity where the latest technology for games is shown and where
Pinball will get its chance to be reborn with new generations of
players who have never seen or played modern Pinball. We expect the
reaction to be phenomenal and we will have much more coverage today
and through the week.
Keith Johnson is here with me and we are going to have a blast.
Thanks for being part of this and for all of your encouragement and
well wishes, we are truly off to see The Wizard!
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Light show looks great especially the color changing LEDs. Heard Gameplay video is going to be released soon.
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No GI lamps working on this one .
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i like the jpp pinball logo video thingo on the display.
but as for the sound what else could you expect from this theme. it was never going to be good music
EDIT: Quoted post of another member deleted
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look under the hood
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index27.html
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Short interview with Jack @ E3 on GeekGamer.tv. Skip ahead to the 1 hour 11 minute mark.
Better video of the game. Looks to me like it's simply in demonstration/flipping mode, no rules, scoring, etc. I have no audio here at work so I have no idea what the interview contains...
around the 1:30 mark, videos from Jack's iPad
http://www.twitch.tv/geekgamertv/b/320469476
ps - I haven't watched as at work and crap download so can't fast forward.
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Cleaned thread up. Please keep on topic, and if you have a criticism, we'd love to hear it - provided it is constructive or at least not intentionally derisive without foundation.
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So each insert can be a different colour , NICE
Are the ACDC LE like this ?
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RGB LED throughout... nice touch!!
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RGB LED throughout... nice touch!!
Yep agreed, good stuff ! *%*
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beside the horid theme which makes the machine look ugly and sound crap, it is entirely the theme doing, its like trying to polish a turd, and the theme is a giant turd.
HOWEVER these guys are setting a standard there is no doubt about that, fantastic work by them. every thing looks extremely well made and very clever use on tech. so no one can take that away from them.
The next machine will be "the" pinball of pinballs from what i have seen from this.
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beside the horid theme which makes the machine look ugly and sound crap, it is entirely the theme doing, its like trying to polish a turd, and the theme is a giant turd.
HOWEVER these guys are setting a standard there is no doubt about that, fantastic work by them. every thing looks extremely well made and very clever use on tech. so no one can take that away from them.
The next machine will be "the" pinball of pinballs from what i have seen from this.
What machine is next?
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beside the horid theme which makes the machine look ugly and sound crap, it is entirely the theme doing, its like trying to polish a turd, and the theme is a giant turd.
HOWEVER these guys are setting a standard there is no doubt about that, fantastic work by them. every thing looks extremely well made and very clever use on tech. so no one can take that away from them.
The next machine will be "the" pinball of pinballs from what i have seen from this.
What machine is next?
anything would be nicer, imagine all those cool features on a cool theme??? that would be insane
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Whatever happened to the "leaked" story spoken by Cassandra Peterson herself (on Spooky Podcast) that JJ's next title would be Elvira the 3rd?
If there is any substance to this, I'll have to sell my car to finance a pre-order !!!
P.S. I really do like the awesome effort JJ have done with WOZ in spite of the relatively wet theme.
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I agree sad about the lame theme hopefully better one next up WOZ out late September ?
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Rumors are:
Hobbit to be no: 2
Elvira to be no: 3
But also Norman has his own title 2/3 designed non license that may be used by JJP as no: 1.5 or 2.5
Though nothing has been definitely confirmed.
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http://www.dynamicsinc.com/Walkthrough
More game play
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http://www.dynamicsinc.com/Walkthrough
More game play
To slow and stop start for me and alot of straight down the guts shame really but maybe because its a proto game.
Peter
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To slow and stop start for me and alot of straight down the guts shame really but maybe because its a proto game.
Peter
Barely even that.
No GI (slingshots are in darkness)
Controlled lamps are not tied into the game yet (they just go off in a pre-programmed pattern).
No in game LCD animations.
No sound.
Game modes are disabled. (there were at least a dozen game mode animations that JJP displayed on a tablet yesterday.)
Pin is set up at the wrong pitch.
Plus add two guys who are trying to provide a running commentary to the camera whilst "playing."
Way too early to pass judgement on gameplay.
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Be sure to set the Quality to 1080/720p.
http://youtu.be/hjYAwvHC3G8
http://youtu.be/tzoBXbq9pbE
http://youtu.be/mxFhzMR27WU
http://youtu.be/y2C0ivannWU
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I cant judge gameplay from that short clip, the pin by the way is amazing
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This is a fairly long interview, but well worth a look. *%*
Enjoy ^^^
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Sorry this time with link @.@
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COOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL !!
looks the part to me ( even unfinished and not fully playable )
The way Jack speaks is pure passion and you can see he and his crew are in it for the right reason.
The new technology ( proprietary ) introduced is freakin' awesome and I am sure people will be gathered around this machine to either play or be entertained and be reminded of their child hood.
The more I see and here about this company JJP I am surely stoked about their mission and wish them all success in bringing more pinball to the masses.
Great vid coon82, thanks for posting , really enjoyed watching this .
more more #*#
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COOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL !!
looks the part to me ( even unfinished and not fully playable )
The way Jack speaks is pure passion and you can see he and his crew are in it for the right reason.
The new technology ( proprietary ) introduced is freakin' awesome and I am sure people will be gathered around this machine to either play or be entertained and be reminded of their child hood.
The more I see and here about this company JJP I am surely stoked about their mission and wish them all success in bringing more pinball to the masses.
Great vid coon82, thanks for posting , really enjoyed watching this .
more more #*#
Couldn't agree more. There's been a bit of criticism about the theme but I think they've done an awsome job with it and I can't wait to see what they do next. Good luck to them and Stern have there work cut out to keep up I think. Hopefully they rise to the challenge and we the hobbiests are all the winners!
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It just keeps getting better!
The effects achieved with the RGB LED system is just the dog's bollocks - superb.
Tantalising sneak previews of the awesome LCD animations.
Still some secrets up JJ's sleeve too.
All this from a beta machine - how cool is the finished item going to be?
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Great isnt it?? JJ has done more to advance pinball in one machine than Stern have over the last 10 years.... his whole agenda screams innovation and a strive to move forward.. hells bells, this is what kept pinball alive over so many years from bagatelle to well... Jacks WOZ. I still do not like the theme, but i love the embrace of RGB lighting to programme so many moods and modes in a single game.. the LCD screen ( should have happened 5 years ago), The mix of old and new.. im still strung out over the targets to hit once the ball is lost.. YES!!! Its a NUDGERS GAME!!!!.. this hasnt been around since woodrail games.. stand like a static statue and you have missed the point.. get nudging! Move that machine to rack up some more essential points.
Its a players machine and obviously made by someone who understand ALL of pinball.
Loving your work Jack
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Thanks for video it was interesting Jack sure is passionate about pinball and I will be waiting to see pinball number 2 .
Peter
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Thanks for video it was interesting Jack sure is passionate about pinball and I will be waiting to see pinball number 2 .
Peter
Yep interesting video and I love how they've they've managed to advance pinball with this machine. Hopefully no.2 title is a blinder also!
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90 minute presentation by JJP at the NW Pinball Show:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23203884.
Other recorded presentations by David Thiel, JPop and Doug Watson also available at the link (RHS of screen).
Here are some of the salient points for those who don't wish to listen to the entire presentation.
Game will be low scoring (not in the billions).
There are 3 units that have been built to date - one will be sited to play test soon.
Games are scheduled to ship in August - they will ship in order of when they were ordered, so the persons who made the first initial deposits on January 9, 2011 (approx 123 people) will receive their games first, next day 125 made a deposit and they will be next and so on.
The Canadian and Australian distributors ordered over 150 units.
Game cost over $2 million to secure license, design and build.
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WOZ game play; the little kid looks a bit serious; looks like he needs to loosen up a bit.
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Build quality looks excellent. Hard to see flow as the guy who took video did a lousy job.
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It's still just a Pinball...I fail to see how a LCD screen and some colour changing lights is game changing and this game even although visually stunning is no exception..Looks like it could be a stop and go spectacular as well but I could be wrong.
Neither company is changing the game for mine and I don't really care if it changes or not,...it is still just pinball and as long as there are fast pins with flow and cool themes that is all i care about.
This is not a cool theme at all. ::)
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It's still just a Pinball...I fail to see how a LCD screen and some colour changing lights is game changing and this game even although visually stunning is no exception..Looks like it could be a stop and go spectacular as well but I could be wrong.
Neither company is changing the game for mine and I don't really care if it changes or not,...it is still just pinball and as long as there are fast pins with flow and cool themes that is all i care about.
This is not a cool theme at a all. ::)
Well or course its just pinball.. it was just pinball when they added electricity... just pinball when added the bumper.. just pinball when added the flipper... just pinball when flippers went at the bottom of the PF.. just pinball when you could play 2 players, just pinball when score reels were introduced...etc etc etc.... Its ALL part of the progress of this great game PINBALL and new innovations come in small steps which LEAD to larger ones.
The notion to make ALL lamps RGB is innovation.. no doubt this will go down as the first pinball to have complete colour changing GI and controlled lamps... how cool is the GREEN Condition on Space Station??? Its awesome! There were 2 GI power runs to achieve this and a switch over from one lamp circuit to another.. old and convaluted way to do it now, but the effect is awesome.
GONE is the now so boring DMD with its clumsy pixel arrangement... in comes LCD... its ALL innovation and the move forward in pinball.
I will lay money on both of these features now being a part of ALL pinballs made in the future... THATS why its innovation.
The step from EM to DMD wasnt done overnight... its a steady creep from one technology to another and this WOZ is a steady creep in the right direction.
STERN gets a kick in the arse and serve them right for sticking to the same old same old recipe... before ACDC there are quite a few discussions on how stale the Stern agenda is.. but you have to remember that right from the start they were industry followers not leaders.
Watch pinball progress and become more popular in the next 5 years.. and you can lay all credit to Jack...1 for making a few moves forward utilising current technology ( successful idea for over 80 years) and 2 for making Stern lift their game.
Competition and innovation.. its what kept this industry alive for so long
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Watch pinball progress and become more popular in the next 5 years.. and you can lay all credit to Jack...1 for making a few moves forward utilising current technology ( successful idea for over 80 years) and 2 for making Stern lift their game.
Competition and innovation.. its what kept this industry alive for so long
Sorry, but pinball will never make a comeback
No matter what Jack or Gary do
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Well said Retropin.
Watch pinball progress and become more popular in the next 5 years.. and you can lay all credit to Jack...1 for making a few moves forward utilising current technology ( successful idea for over 80 years) and 2 for making Stern lift their game.
Competition and innovation.. its what kept this industry alive for so longSorry, but pinball will never make a comeback
No matter what Jack or Gary do
Never say never. A comeback doesn't have to be in the arcades to be considered a comeback. We can call it what we like, but there is a resurgence of interest in Pinball and that is a start.
I think it's great hearing people say the machine looks great, stunning, beautiful etc. That in itself is big. As the quality factor and artwork was very important in pinballs prime (still is). I see there is a current thread on The Shadow. Good example of the artwork detracting peoples interest of the game...
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Don't forget that pinball was dying in the late 80's early 90's and had a resurgence once DMD pins arrived. Maybe LCD can do similar..... Of course we don't have arcades any longer so public sites are going to have to be pubs, cafes etc.
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Sorry, but pinball has always needed life support
A game can only sit on location for a short time before the punters get bored and need a new game to play
that was fine during the golden Years, multiple manufactures bringing out many games per year, there was always something new to play
Now we have Stern bringing out 3-4 titles per year, JJP is only planning one game per year
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Don't forget that pinball was dying in the late 80's early 90's and had a resurgence once DMD pins arrived. Maybe LCD can do similar..... Of course we don't have arcades any longer so public sites are going to have to be pubs, cafes etc.
HA HA WOZ in a pub yeah right I don't think so! That's a home use only machine in Australia
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I am in the camp that believes the theme is a really good theme. I say WOZ is a winner.
I then say who cares if people dont like the theme. Each to their own. This WOZ theme is like the AC/DC threads, some people just keep bagging things to death, and again it becomes embarrassing after a while. I say if u like a machine, say u like it once or say u like it 20 times, but it serves no purpose for anyone to say they dont like a machine 20 times, time after time.
This forum shld be a place where u can say u are buying a machine and then get some feedback, and hopefully positive feedback from others. But when threads have the same people bagging things to death, it becomes tired so very quickly.
and pinball isnt dead at all, STERN selling seven or eight thousand brand new machines per annum is great. Its apx 7000 more than zero.
another point, pinball2000 was innovation, but not all innovation sticks, lets see where JJP is in a few years.
Still some great exciting times ahead for pinball. Its just getting better n better every year. Its a growing industry whilst every other industry is in decline. Food for thought. ^^^
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WOZ looks good but is the gayest theme in pinball history by a mile imo. Hobbit does little for me as well and I hear that Alice in Wonderland might be on the blocks. #@# Remember that line from " Full Metal Jacket", only 2 things come from texas...... *)*
JJP better start bringing better themes to the table and releasing more games a hell of a lot quicker, otherwise people will drop him and his pins quick smart.
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WOZ looks good but is the gayest theme in pinball history by a mile imo. Hobbit does little for me as well and I hear that Alice in Wonderland might be on the blocks. #@# Remember that line from " Full Metal Jacket", only 2 things come from texas...... *)*
JJP better start bringing better themes to the table and releasing more games a hell of a lot quicker, otherwise people will drop him and his pins quick smart.
Well said..
Peter
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WOW WOW WOW
WOW have u guys seen this page with more short videos of the Wizard of OZ machine.
This is going to be one very SPECIAL machine for sure. The features are AMAZING. Anyone who buys this title I reckon will think its going to be a very loved keeper for many years. To those who dont like the title, it wont matter cause you wont be playing it.lol
I think this will be worth the wait. Unboxing it will be a very special day for those who had ordered.
Check out this link
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index28.html
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you can tell us all about it when you get yours, been a long wait for others that have comitted too
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you can tell us all about it when you get yours, been a long wait for others that have comitted too
didnt order one back way ago cause i didnt have enough info back then, but if it looks n plays like i believe it will, i might get one money permitting.
i will prob keep some pins, but not all. that look like a keeper but, great colours etc ^^^
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Looks bloody awesome to me... LOVE Dorothy's house!
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I say if u like a machine, say u like it once or say u like it 20 times, but it serves no purpose for anyone to say they dont like a machine 20 times, time after time.
I dont get that statement at all......
How can one person be ‘allowed’ to say their thoughts 20 times but another cant just because it’s the complete opposite opinion.
Why in this life if someone doesn’t agree with people OR if they have a different opinion are they seen as NEGATIVE , a point that REALLY annoys me – its NOT NEGATIVE , it is ANOTHER OPINION.
NEGATIVE is a word that is too easily bandied about these days in order to try and shut people down so they feel bad for not ‘towing the line’
And no I dont like the game
I DO like the fact that someone is having a go at producing a game – but the theme , the audio , the AWFUL Toto multiball animation and other aspects just don’t do it for me with this TITLE.
Some aspects of the game are nice ( the LED’s for example ) – but this is FAR FAR from the MIND BLOWING NEW PINBALL MACHINE that people are getting ‘sold’ on.
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I will answer your question Wotto by saying this.
Heres an example I will use as a reference.
A member buys a brand new pinball machine, spends his hard earnt $6500 or $9500 etc. The member is proud of his new purchase, proud he worked his arse out to buy it. He takes photos, places some posts on the forum and is excited with his new purchase. Most members say nice things about the machine, and as members learn more n more about the machine, or see more videos etc, they politely say they like it alot etc etc. Over a 2 or 10 day discussion, certain members might say different nice things about the game, because they like different parts of the game etc etc etc, and you ofcourse, as the proud new owner, likes the feedback that the members give you, as any new proud owner would.
THEN you have 1 or 2 members who rubbish your game so to speak, call it various names, tell u that u only bought it cause u were pressured into it by others, and basically they just rubbish the game badly. Then after that, 3 or 4 members say they like it, but then the same member bags the shit out of your game again and again and again. I am sure you would get sick of that soon after and feel that is negative and unwanted negative feedback, because you have already heard that from the same person over and over again.
So thats why i say or believe it is nice to get positive feedback once or more, but it serves no purpose to hear someone repeatedly bag your new game. It would become/may become inappropriate after a while I would think.
The way to put this into perspective, is to think about a machine you just bought and how you would feel if the same person/persons repeatedly bagged it over n over again. Once u hear the opinion, there no need to hear the not so nice one over and over again.
That way, people who do spend their hard earnt $$ on a new title, dont have to have their proud moment of unveiling on the forum bagged to death etc. It was something i felt would keep this place fun and show some politeness to other members. Thats all.
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I will answer your question Wotto by saying this.
Heres an example I will use as a reference.
A member buys a brand new pinball machine, spends his hard earnt $6500 or $9500 etc. The member is proud of his new purchase, proud he worked his arse out to buy it. He takes photos, places some posts on the forum and is excited with his new purchase. Most members say nice things about the machine, and as members learn more n more about the machine, or see more videos etc, they politely say they like it alot etc etc. Over a 2 or 10 day discussion, certain members might say different nice things about the game, because they like different parts of the game etc etc etc, and you ofcourse, as the proud new owner, likes the feedback that the members give you, as any new proud owner would.
THEN you have 1 or 2 members who rubbish your game so to speak, call it various names, tell u that u only bought it cause u were pressured into it by others, and basically they just rubbish the game badly. Then after that, 3 or 4 members say they like it, but then the same member bags the shit out of your game again and again and again. I am sure you would get sick of that soon after and feel that is negative and unwanted negative feedback, because you have already heard that from the same person over and over again.
So thats why i say or believe it is nice to get positive feedback once or more, but it serves no purpose to hear someone repeatedly bag your new game. It would become/may become inappropriate after a while I would think.
The way to put this into perspective, is to think about a machine you just bought and how you would feel if the same person/persons repeatedly bagged it over n over again. Once u hear the opinion, there no need to hear the not so nice one over and over again.
That way, people who do spend their hard earnt $$ on a new title, dont have to have their proud moment of unveiling on the forum bagged to death etc. It was something i felt would keep this place fun and show some politeness to other members. Thats all.
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negativity breeds negativity , have a bit of respect to others.
I have been told I have boat anchors for pins %.% %.% I take this light hearted, but to me , they are friggin awesome and bring something different to the table.
Wether other people like it or not, the chance on something different is cool. i.e.; if we were all the same it would be pretty bloody boring! wouldn't you agree?
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and hopefully as both STERN and JJP make new and more exciting titles, the reviews will just keep getting better.
I for one reckon we have some great times ahead for pinball and new releases.
All pinny players will hopefully win with the competition.
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I dont remember anyone bagging the shit out of ACDC.. not in the way its being described here. I have and will continue to bag STERN... its only now that they have picked up their game so to speak.
There was deserved criticism of the quality control for this title... seems thats all been sorted now, but really should never have been in the first place.
Criticism of SM components which take repair away from the owners.
In all honesty, the ACDC thread is ended.. until now that is and its now a discussion on negativity... how does that work??
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I really like what you bring to the table Cavey. Well said!
I have purchased a WOZ and don't have any issues saying it either. I think it will be a great game not just because of what I've seen from all the teasers we've been shown along the way, but it would be hard for some of the enthusiasm of someone like Jack with that much passion not to rub off onto his team.
It's a bit like saying 'how can it be done' instead of 'it can't be done'. Psychological barriers cause physical barriers..... I think this pin will be the start of a new era.
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I played acdc pro again the other day to try and see that light and become one of the faithfull and repent my wicked ways.
I am so sorry, I have failed you I still think it's lame.
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So thats why i say or believe it is nice to get positive feedback once or more, but it serves no purpose to hear someone repeatedly bag your new game. It would become/may become inappropriate after a while I would think.
The way to put this into perspective, is to think about a machine you just bought and how you would feel if the same person/persons repeatedly bagged it over n over again. Once u hear the opinion, there no need to hear the not so nice one over and over again.
That way, people who do spend their hard earnt $$ on a new title, dont have to have their proud moment of unveiling on the forum bagged to death etc. It was something i felt would keep this place fun and show some politeness to other members. Thats all.
Negative comments don't bother me. Everyone has an opinion, good or bad, agree or disagree with others. I own an Avatar, a game that probably 9 / 10 forum members would rate as very poor, but it doesn't sway my opinion or enjoyment of the game, regardless of what others say.
As for WOZ, the theme doesn't interest me at all. I don't like the LCD or the artwork and it's not a game i would ever consider, but good luck to all that have placed an order.
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I played acdc pro again the other day to try and see that light and become one of the faithfull and repent my wicked ways.
I am so sorry, I have failed you I still think it's lame.
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who cares ? lol yawn x 100.
p.s - the post is about Wizard of OZ by the way.
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I really like what you bring to the table Cavey. Well said!
I have purchased a WOZ and don't have any issues saying it either. I think it will be a great game not just because of what I've seen from all the teasers we've been shown along the way, but it would be hard for some of the enthusiasm of someone like Jack with that much passion not to rub off onto his team.
It's a bit like saying 'how can it be done' instead of 'it can't be done'. Psychological barriers cause physical barriers..... I think this pin will be the start of a new era.
thanks, and i cant wait to see the unboxing videos. shld be a great day.
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So thats why i say or believe it is nice to get positive feedback once or more, but it serves no purpose to hear someone repeatedly bag your new game. It would become/may become inappropriate after a while I would think.
The way to put this into perspective, is to think about a machine you just bought and how you would feel if the same person/persons repeatedly bagged it over n over again. Once u hear the opinion, there no need to hear the not so nice one over and over again.
That way, people who do spend their hard earnt $$ on a new title, dont have to have their proud moment of unveiling on the forum bagged to death etc. It was something i felt would keep this place fun and show some politeness to other members. Thats all.
Negative comments don't bother me. Everyone has an opinion, good or bad, agree or disagree with others. I own an Avatar, a game that probably 9 / 10 forum members would rate as very poor, but it doesn't sway my opinion or enjoyment of the game, regardless of what others say.
As for WOZ, the theme doesn't interest me at all. I don't like the LCD or the artwork and it's not a game i would ever consider, but good luck to all that have placed an order.
I would love to own a Avatar. I reckon it is a unique and great looking game. The audio rocks, the playfield art n 3D translite are exceelent as well. Avatar would look great in any collectors line up. Beautiful machine. Enjoy the game, thats what its all about. Great purchase i reckon.
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Keep in mind this is a WOZ thread guys. If it continues to stray off topic we will have to "clean it up". *%*
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no probs Nino. understood.
That link i posted before, I noticed its not on the Pinballnews site but it is a Pinballnews link etc. I couldnt work that out.
Dont all the different colours on this WOZ machine look great. Clear insert decals might become the norm.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index28.html
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
they are saying September
I am not holding my breath
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
Prob late 2014 at this rate.... *)*
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
Prob late 2014 at this rate.... *)*
Hopefully soon so he can tell us what the next theme will be, it will want to be good as Stern are pumping out some nice themes and aren't they going LCD as well?
Peter
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
Prob late 2014 at this rate.... *)*
Hopefully soon so he can tell us what the next theme will be, it will want to be good as Stern are pumping out some nice themes and aren't they going LCD as well?
Peter
Some guy on pinside is spruking that the next stern pin will have a lcd and it will be the size of a sega dmd.
Good size imo, the woz one is far too big. Lets hope it's true, Avengers pin with a lcd that size in oct so this same dude reckons, we will see.
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Anyone been told when the games will be shipped?
Peter
Prob late 2014 at this rate.... *)*
Hopefully soon so he can tell us what the next theme will be, it will want to be good as Stern are pumping out some nice themes and aren't they going LCD as well?
Peter
Some guy on pinside is spruking that the next stern pin will have a lcd and it will be the size of a sega dmd.
Good size imo, the woz one is far too big. Lets hope it's true, Avengers pin with a lcd that size in oct so this same dude reckons, we will see.
I'm with you the WOZ lcd is to big I like the idea of a smaller unit to.
Peter
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Saying the LCD is too big is kinda like saying your dinner was too tasty, or your job pays too well, or your wife is too hot. It just doesn't compute!
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Saying the LCD is too big is kinda like saying your dinner was too tasty, or your job pays too well, or your wife is too hot. It just doesn't compute!
That makes no sense to me at all.
:D
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Saying the LCD is too big is kinda like saying your dinner was too tasty, or your job pays too well, or your wife is too hot. It just doesn't compute!
@.@
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Saying the LCD is too big is kinda like saying your dinner was too tasty, or your job pays too well, or your wife is too hot. It just doesn't compute!
@.@
:lol
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check out the latest link on the WOZ machine from pinballnews site. some great photos ^^^ empty factory of people but, no staff at all ?
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index29.html
(look at the excellent pictures on the dmd screen divided into 4 squares) The large dmd will do this machine a huge justice, bigger might end up being best afterall.
exciting times ahead. this pinny will be worth the wait for sure. everyone waiting for one will forget the delays when they open the NIB for the first time and will probably be grateful for jjp not rushing it etc. late and 100 percent great is better than 80 percent and on time. quality here is worth it.
note the info/photo on the new Bumper Action owner ? pictured in the link ? anyone heard/know of his past pinball experience. anyone know where
del reiss went after selling the business etc ? i am assuming all woz delivery $ committments have also been passed on etc.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index29.html
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See Jacks daughter is helping out thats nice, maybe the production line is waiting on suppliers but I'm sure once it's up and running we will get some videos maybe the guy from bumper can comment on where there at that would be good to here.
Peter
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That's one big fella behind Howard. Also in the pic, is the bloke that runs the Detroit pawn shop.....but his not wearing the leather jacket lol.
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See Jacks daughter is helping out thats nice, maybe the production line is waiting on suppliers but I'm sure once it's up and running we will get some videos maybe the guy from bumper can comment on where there at that would be good to here.
Peter
She's a hottie!!
Smokin. ()
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check out the latest link on the WOZ machine from pinballnews site. some great photos ^^^ empty factory of people but, no staff at all ?
THe factory space is deicated to WoZ, not Jacks other machines
they are only building 10 games at the moment to do field testing, full production will start in a month or so
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That's one big fella behind Howard. Also in the pic, is the bloke that runs the Detroit pawn shop.....but his not wearing the leather jacket lol.
I think your right that is the guy from the Pawn shop :lol
Peter
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That would be Les ^^^ ( Pawn Shop guy )
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yeh, that guy does look a little like Les Gold from Hardcore Pawn. lol %. If it was Les, he would have a $50 note in his hand and would be trying to buy a fully loaded WOZ off Jack for 99 percent off (tight bastard he is.lol)
and YES, that is one HUGE dude standing on the front left of the photo. He looks like he would way a good 150 to 160 kg's. maybe security for the facility or Jacks personal security, looking for STERN industry spies to crush.lol
doesnt the 4 way LCD look great on this title. it just gets better.
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Wizard of OZ - Custom topper = ???????
If you purchased a WOZ, would u consider buying a custom topper for it ? !@# Well, today I went to a guys house who makes all different professional props for the big movie companies worldwide. AND guess what he was working on ?... a Wicked Witch latex head/mask which was being made actual human head size for someone special.
It was amazing. He had 2 different types, one was a perfect Witch head for WOZ with perfect witchs hat, green neck n face etc just like in the orig WOZ movie, and the other scary witch was more like the nasty witch in the Snow White series. BOTH were friggin amazing. Both Witch heads were very very nice and nasty looking which really gave that special look you would want. He is also doing a run of commercial rubber/latex masks for the public to purchase, all different types incl witchs, warewolves, frankensteins, every sci-fi type of monster/alien u could imagine. This stuff is the best. The quality and designs are worldclass.
If anyone is seriously interested in a custom topper - witch for their WOZ machine, let me know and I can send u a photo or two when I go back next week.
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incl witchs, warewolves, frankensteins, every sci-fi type of monster/alien u could imagine. This stuff is the best. The quality and designs are worldclass.
... I go back next week.
It's all lies without pictures.
Good thing you're going back.
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incl witchs, warewolves, frankensteins, every sci-fi type of monster/alien u could imagine. This stuff is the best. The quality and designs are worldclass.
... I go back next week.
It's all lies without pictures.
Good thing you're going back.
What a very very weird thing to say. Must be a lost in translation thing ?
Actually, it was just a genuine offer to share some cool stuff/photos with those who are interested in toppers.
I will take a photo of the WAREWOLF head piece I already purchased/picked up. Will upload it this next 24 hours or so. That will show the quality of the products this fellow has. My other orders will not be ready til next weekend otherwise I would be going back earlier.
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Sorry for the confusion.
On another forum I frequent, folks often post about a great deal or cool and unusual machine they found at a garage or estate sale, auction etc. It's always good news when somebody digs up something really cool and/or for cheap. But of course we all like to see pictures too so if somebody posts without pictures, then it's a standard practice to post that they'd really like to see pics via saying that it's "all lies unless you post pictures". Just a good-natured nudge to snap a photo and post some "proof".
So I'm not actually accusing you of lying. It sounds really neat and I'd just enjoy seeing see a snapshot or few, especially since I'm on the other side of the globe.
But now that you've already stumbled, one of the pictures must include the object in question and yourself holding up a current dated newspaper. &&
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one was a perfect Witch head for WOZ with perfect witchs hat, green neck n face etc just like in the orig WOZ movie, and the other scary witch was more like the nasty witch in the Snow White series. BOTH were friggin amazing. Both Witch heads were very very nice and nasty looking which really gave that special look you would want. He is also doing a run of commercial rubber/latex masks for the public to purchase, all different types incl witchs, warewolves, frankensteins, every sci-fi type of monster/alien u could imagine. This stuff is the best. The quality and designs are worldclass.
Sounds like some cool stuff. I'd love to see a couple of pics. If you don't mind me asking, how come you're buying these sorts of things if you're thinking of selling the pinball collection? !@#
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No probs Vinito, I understand what you are saying now.lol Its all good matey. ^^^
Coon82, I have always been a collector of weird n wonderful things which sometimes have a connection to pinball and sometimes dont have a connection at all. In this case, the first connection was to think of anyone who might have wanted to buy a really cool topper for a WOZ pinball machine. I personally havent ordered a WOZ, but will certainly look at seriously buying one later if i think its a keeper.
Re selling machines, I have sold some machines in the last few weeks already, with the list of machines that arent listed on the AP collection list being the first ones to go that my brother and I have in storage, not the 40 at my house. The storage pinball machines selling are mostly B/W titles etc.
So collecting cool movie prop stuff is just another cool thing to add to the house. Betwen having a 14 foot snake, and another snake, a pinny collection, star trek arcade machines, star trek collectables enough to fill 3 rooms, various other cool collectable stuff, a few cars, a few kids, all different electronic stuff, there is always room for something zany to stick in the house. (until the wife has a dummy spit.lol)
I will try n upload the photos tonight if i can of the movie prop stuff. I have been bloody crook all day after eating something bad me thinks.
The WOZ machine would look unreal with a full size witch head for a topper. I personally love toppersw. WOZ would be a candidate to blow people away 4 sure.
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Cavey..
Why dont you list the machines in storage also if they are for sale... i must have been asked 1/2 dozen times for DMD in the last week alone..
Gav
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Gav, I will send u a PM so we dont stuff up the WOZ thread.
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Sounds like your place would be a lot of fun. Is that the thinking behind your alias???
I've got a WOZ LE on order which comes with a topper, but some of the stuff you mentioned sounds pretty cool. I'm sure if they are as good as you say there'll be a few people interested to prop a few toppers/masks in the games room. Does this guy advertise or have a website?
By the way, thanks for sharing Cavey.
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Great to hear u have ordered a LE WOZ, great move.
Re the movie guy, he has a small retail outlet somewhere on the Gold Coast but i went to his studio/warehouse. Thats where the witch heads for WOZ was.
When I go back i will take photos n get pricing. He has alot of cool stuff for around the $100 mark he has produced in great numbers for spin off sales to get people to come in and buy the $5,000 to $10,000 movie prop stuff. He had a full size (more like 140% sized) full bodied Ironman made out of very expensive metals made for the Ironman movie company plus other stuff full sized which was amazing. Thats where he makes his money but the smaller stuff he makes after the initial mouldings are done, he then sells to some markets to recoup costs when the movie people are finished with their one offs etc.
As for my Avatar (Cave of Treasures) it was originally designed to best explain what anyone would feel if they opened a garage door or walked into someones commercial storage facility and saw a whack of pinballs all sitting there, hence the cave of hidden treasures, then the slogan, "Behind every garage door could be a pinball collectors Cave of Treasures".
People always walk into a room full of pinnys and always say "Farrrkkkkk". Only a room full of nice hotrods/street machines/motor bikes usually evokes as much emotional delight.lol Long live pinball.
I think people will love the witchs heads for a WOZ machine. I am dying to see the WOZ machines get delivered as well. ^^^
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July 25, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
When you license songs from a classic movie, hire the greatest Sound Guy in Pinball, write a script, audition voice actors and pull it all together, it needs to be played over the right audio system.
In the design of our game we thought we had a great audio system and some speakers that were going to be manufactured specially for our needs. The speaker supplier was absorbed this past April and is no longer able to make the line of products we specified......oops....
A chance meeting at the PinWizards Convention in Allentown this May led to an alliance between JJP and Pinnovators. This development forced the intense design and development of the JJP sound system which will be used in the Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines.
Pinnovators was started by pinball enthusiasts and based on the simple idea that the audio in a pinball machines needs to be "Experienced" and not just a background distraction. A typical machine only provides a mono mix with "ok" sound. Pinnovators is focused on providing the cleanest stereo sound to fully compliment the sound track both in the system speakers and stereo version of our popular PinPAC Headphone kit.
"We jumped at the opportunity to be involved in the overall sound system design and the chance to take a pinball machine sound system to the next level of performance and features! We are grateful to be able to work with the Jersey Jack Pinball Team and look forward to future projects." - The Pinnovators Team - http://pinnovators.com/
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I like the 'SPECIAL' clip
Pity it did not include sound :(
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If JJP are still scourcing hardware, let alone finishing off double and triple checking of all finished systems, it sounds like WOZ will still be MANY months away from being fully built let alone delivery. I wonder how many people have decided to cancel due to things stretching out to buggery ?
I think alot of people are starting to think that Gary Stern has alot more brains, talent and a very very organised company, all fully set up and producing well than people have first thought.
Building a complete pinball company from the ground up, and making top quality products from it is a much bigger job than perhaps even JJP thought possible. It will be worth it in the end, but these constant delays have shown STERN to be still the only real pinball maker on the planet, with many great accomplishments under its belt. Taking on the big boy in the game has so far proved to be a monumental task which is still nowhere near finished for JJP. Patience is a virtue.lol
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If JJP are still scourcing hardware, let alone finishing off double and triple checking of all finished systems, it sounds like WOZ will still be MANY months away from being fully built let alone delivery. I wonder how many people have decided to cancel due to things stretching out to buggery ?
I think alot of people are starting to think that Gary Stern has alot more brains, talent and a very very organised company, all fully set up and producing well than people have first thought.
Building a complete pinball company from the ground up, and making top quality products from it is a much bigger job than perhaps even JJP thought possible. It will be worth it in the end, but these constant delays have shown STERN to be still the only real pinball maker on the planet, with many great accomplishments under its belt. Taking on the big boy in the game has so far proved to be a monumental task which is still nowhere near finished for JJP. Patience is a virtue.lol
That's the spirit
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Building a complete pinball company from the ground up, and making top quality products from it is a much bigger job than perhaps even JJP thought possible.
....and THATS exactly why people need to UNDER promise and OVER deliver ( not the other way around )
Consumers left with empty promises from non filled expectations ( expectations ALWAYS created by the 'sellers' mind you ) is what creates ANY doubt in the first place. People ( sellers ) should shut up , get on with it, get the product ( no matter what the product is ) completed and out there and THEN create the hype and market the item in order to get sales going.....
I recall hearing last September that the production line would start pumping in around March 2012, and even factory tours would be available...........its nearly September and the doubters are now out there - ask yourself why &^&
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Building a complete pinball company from the ground up, and making top quality products from it is a much bigger job than perhaps even JJP thought possible.
....and THATS exactly why people need to UNDER promise and OVER deliver ( not the other way around )
Consumers left with empty promises from non filled expectations ( expectations ALWAYS created by the 'sellers' mind you ) is what creates ANY doubt in the first place. People ( sellers ) should shut up , get on with it, get the product ( no matter what the product is ) completed and out there and THEN create the hype and market the item in order to get sales going.....
I recall hearing last September that the production line would start pumping in around March 2012, and even factory tours would be available...........its nearly September and the doubters are now out there - ask yourself why &^&
Why what?
It is taking longer than expected. Shit happens
I took a punt on a new pinball manufacturer.I see progress made with each update
Do you think I should demand my money back and buy a cookie cutter B/W title or maybe a half finished NIB Stern?
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::)
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Well, we all know that the Yellow Brick road was long.
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Well, we all know that the Yellow Brick road was long.
Long and twisty with weird characters along the way.lol
It was, and will be, always worth the wait for the WOZ, its just taking longer than anyone probably thought.
It just highlights what a big job it is for anyone, STERN or JJP, to get a new pinball machine to market. Considering STERN make 4 new titles a year etc, it shows just how well Gary Stern has got his manufacturing working well.
One thing I have been thinking about, is that even though JJP get the first model WOZ out the door, they have to start all over again for the next title. Hopefully the next one will come to market quicker.
If WOZ is exceptional, no one will care about the wait, if its not a pearler, some people might jump up n down a little. I personally think it will be a pearler.
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Remember, Stern isuseing the same board set it has used for many years now
Jack is using new tech, and a whole new way to use it
Stern lamps are on or about 6 degrees of dimness
Jacks LEDs have thousands of colors that they can be
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You also have to remember that Jack has had to get a lot of tooling made along the way etc.
Stern have had tooling for decades now and so its obvious that they can pump out a pin quite easily.. this they do but as we saw with the delivered ACDC machines.. the "I"'s are not dotted and the "T's" not all crossed.
Jack makes redemption machines and has had to start from the very beginning to put out a pin.
Im not thinking Gary Stern is smart at all... in fact i bet my arse he is shitting bricks about Jack.
Knowing Stern.. they will see what Jack does and then copy it... Stern law that is
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Do you think I should demand my money back and buy a cookie cutter B/W title or maybe a half finished NIB Stern?
Absolutely not.
You made a choice and you are happy with it- congrats on that ^^^
My actual point was that 'manufacturers' in this hobby need to have learnt from past 'big mouthed' mistakes that were made in relation to production of a game instead of running around for months and months sprouting dates. Dates put an expectation into the heads of most people, and when those dates come , go and well and truly pass THAT creates doubt in some people ( potential customers ).
I asked JJP directly last year if he was at all concerned IF he missed dates that the very finicky pinball community would instantly associate it to the MM debacle and he said in emphatic terms straight to my face "I will make the game and make the dates" and actually seemed a bit annoyed I even asked him the question ( like in a how dare you say we might miss dates like El WaynO did type of way ) ..........................yet, now some of his own dates have come and gone and people ( yes US based ) are asking questions, so my question was actually a valid one after all.
Knowing the 'tough taskmaster' market he is selling into - WHY would any business person want to create that situation for yourself ^&^
I have always made it well known that I am FAR from a fan of this title but I am not knocking the game as it might play wonderfully , I am not knocking the effort going into it ........I hope it does work out well in the end
I hope that clears up any misconception of the point I was trying to make earlier.
I failed English ( comprehension ) :lol
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I think JJP's lateness on everything gets the extra spotlight because he said he was going to show Gary Stern how its done, so to speak.
Because of that, it was on for young n old from day one with every man and his dog judging the action. So far JJP hasnt handed Gary his arse.lol
Jack must be spewing knowing everyone knows that he is well behind and has also run into the typical pinball production problems.
Maybe he is thinking Gary wasnt such a bad operator after all.lol
Not even 50 million bux can make everything smooth in this industry. So far JJP has run into the witch, now he needs a wizard or two for extra speed.lol
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A couple of clips
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The machine is going to be AWESOME. There is no doubt about that.
After seeing how cool those clips are etc, I say who gives a F%$K how late it is.lol Although I have been selling machines, I am still going to buy one.
It is just so advanced. I am dying to hear all the audio clips tied together with those annimations. Shld be pretty special.
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@Wotto
Hindsight is a beautiful thing
When WayneO first announced MM, he had no factory, no equipement, no nothing. All he had was the rights
Years down the road it is easy to see that he could not do it
Jack had the experience of building redemption games, Jack knew the realities of building a game for a commercial environment. If he had not had that business, there would have been no way I would have signed on for this game
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The machine is going to be AWESOME. There is no doubt about that.
After seeing how cool those clips are etc, I say who gives a F%$K how late it is.lol Although I have been selling machines, I am still going to buy one.
It is just so advanced. I am dying to hear all the audio clips tied together with those annimations. Shld be pretty special.
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How many AP members are heading to Bumper Action on the 10th August for the skype link up with Jersey Jack? Should be pretty sweet.
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Yes should be good.
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The machine is going to be AWESOME. There is no doubt about that.
After seeing how cool those clips are etc, I say who gives a F%$K how late it is.lol Although I have been selling machines, I am still going to buy one.
It is just so advanced. I am dying to hear all the audio clips tied together with those annimations. Shld be pretty special.
*%*
How many AP members are heading to Bumper Action on the 10th August for the skype link up with Jersey Jack? Should be pretty sweet.
First I have heard about it
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I think this is an invitation only event. It is for all the people who have purchased a Wizard of Oz from Bumper.
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A few weeks ago I mentioned I had seen some really cool stuff that a business on the gold coast had made/produced and this business specialised in all different movie stuff etc.
Here is a quick photo of the nasty old witch head i thought would make a great topper for Wizard of OZ. The studio didnt really allow photos so i quickly snapped off this one to just give you an idea of what sort of really cool stuff these guys have. Hopefully i can lob up to their other small retail location and take more photos of the dozens of different types of cool stuff they have for all different generes. Alien, sci-fi, mythical, movie, cartoon etc.
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Damn!!!
:lol
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Looks like unless we get our games air freighted we will not get them until next year
Jack is now saying he expects to start shipping in 90 days, plus 6 week on a shipping container put delivery right at xmas
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Looks like unless we get our games air freighted we will not get them until next year
Jack is now saying he expects to start shipping in 90 days, plus 6 week on a shipping container put delivery right at xmas
Be worth checking the air freight costs - when I was arranging two games from the US, the difference between sea and air was not that huge.
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According to an interview with Jack on US radio, 1st game is only "a few days" out from being on location:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/diy/2012/08/15/mr-belding--dd-radio
Interview starts at the 48-minute mark.
A few of the things Jack said include:
-Game will have 7 speakers
-It cost $2.5 million to develop the game
-They have sold 1200 pre-orders
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2.5 million spent. It will take him 3 or 4 titles (perhaps more) to recoup his investment, but start up of something completely new was always going to be expensive.
Wonder how much capital Gary Stern has tied up in plant/machinery/parts/real estate/intellectual property rights/patents/licencing with the STERN Factory. Probably a good 20 to 50 million, perhaps alot more ? Its gotta be a BIG figure. Something tells me JJP wont get much change out of 10 million minimum by the time he has been going for 2 or 3 years.
Be good to be able to look 5 yrs ahead and see what the deal is ! !@#
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Link to You tube clip
August 17, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
This week we are happy to show the beginning of game play where you can see our proprietary RGB-LED General Illumination Lights. This is Patent-Pending and a first on a pinball machine or any type of commercial amusement game.
You can get a small taste of the HD LCD Monitor and how it will keep score. This game is loaded with "firsts" and we still have a few surprises and reveals left! Enjoy!
Check out Jack's Interview on "Down and Dirty" with Frank Fontana that aired live on Wednesday! - t=48m49s
JJP is proud to welcome Eric Meunier to the team! Eric has been a part of the industry since he was a young boy, helping his father, Norb who started King Pin Games in North Freedom, WI (Now one of our authorized distributors). As he got older and started to understand electronics and mechanics, Eric helped repair games and worked full time every summer and weekend from the age of 12 on.
After high school, Eric attended the University of Wisconsin Madison for Electrical Engineering, where he also played Trumpet in the UW Marching Band. Eric graduated with his undergraduate degree, and is currently pursuing a Masters degree in Mechanical Engineering, focusing on Robotics. He and his wife Ashley were recently married.
Eric says, "I'm excited to start a career in the industry my parents gave me a love for at such an early age. I'm very happy to be working for JJP, and getting a chance to be on the cutting edge of pinball development."
"Eric has a love for the industry and we are thrilled to help build the next generation of talented people who will design games" stated Jack.
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Thanks for the update. It's going to be really interesting to see this game in full, the test software is giving us glimpses, I really think the software might be very special when done given the effort that seems to be going into other parts of this game.
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That footage was better than what was shown at E3
I would have preferd though to see actual game play
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Jack will have his first one on location at iplay america NJ in the next few days .Its up the road from his place .
Then will surly see way more reviews .
Nice going Jack ^^^
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Simply outstanding. I love the color changing LEDs. Thanks for keeping us "up to date" with the progress, Ant, Really appreciated ^^^
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7 SPEAKERS!!!!
.... I was not expecting that :lol #*# #*#
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7 physical drivers, but not 7 channels. That number includes 2 mid-range and 1-tweeter in each of the stereo channels (plus a bass/sub in the cabinet).
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still extremely painfull... the waiting and the wondering...
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There is video posted on Facebook of the game in action
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=415350061861481
While it does look good, it seems there is a long way to go with the programing
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yep....seems like still a lot of work to do............we might be waiting a while yet......
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THE NEGATIVES FROM THE VIDEO.
1. The first thing required was someone who could actually play well, instead of a novice with lousy flipper skills. Sorry, but if u want to show off a game, get someone who can play well cause it presents so much better.
2. Then, I hate to say it, but the large LED screen is very boring during gameplay. It shows what letters u have hit etc so u know where u are at spelling RAINBOW or HAUNTED etc but nothing moves much at all. There is no action like a STERN dot matrix display gives. Even Revenge from Mars or Star Wars Episode 1 were alot more exciting during gameplay etc. It is early days, but the screen has more action sitting in attract mode before someone hits the start button. Perhaps this will change, or I hope it does.
3. I didnt like the red flipper shoe-batts. Plain ugly I have decided. Thats the first mod i would make, and pick something that fits in and store the originals in the game etc.
THE POSITIVES.
1. The LED lights look Terriffic. The audio is interesting ? But would have to hear alot more before making a real call on that.
2. Gameplay is very varied with alot of different shots with lots of cool ball returns with ramps, wireforms, pop ups via coil mechs etc, spinning house playfield, sliding monkey etc. The game doesnt look fast, but it looks like a game that you have to follow missions on and work away to achieve the bonuses and work through getting all the missions/top points etc. Its like the widebody games like TZ or Batman Forever, Royal Rumble etc, but doesnt look as fast as say Star Trek Next Generation. The ball returns are a little slow from the video, but that may change with a much better player.
The machine looks good, not great, but good. The final production model is still a little time away so lets see how she comes out etc.
Perhaps software/code updates after machines hit peoples houses/businesses will help with some changes after alot of feedback is recieved.
Bring it on. Cant wait to see the finished product.
P.S -What did other people think of the video (except for watching it sideways which also was crappy.lol) ?? !@# !@#
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It looks very slow but as Brett said maybe that's the player lol , spinning house toy is cool but all you do is shoot around in circles maybe there's more coming and yeah LCD screen not alot happening there? anyway I think its a long way off completion so maybe there's stuff jack wont show yet?
Peter
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I just don’t get it.
As recently as last week it was announced the 1st shipment dates , confirmed into Australia are to have an arrival date of December 15 – that’s 12 weeks away including testing, packing and shipping times at both ends ,yet here we are discussing the possibilities of ‘a long way to go with programming’ etc etc …….none of this makes sense.
Call me the nay-sayer – I don’t care – but I have said all along this game wouldn’t be what everyone expected ( and maybe expectations were set high !@# )
Now other people are agreeing with the ‘lousy’ music, the god-damn awful ‘slippers and now also seeing that the ( much highly anticipated and HYPED UP ) LCD screen really wont do ‘that much’, add to that the ( overly discussed ) average and female oriented theme , the awful Toto multiball animation and the fact the game now looks “good but not great” ….and it also looks slow………well I don’t feel Gary Stern has all that much to worry about to be honest.
The common positive thing people are discussing appears to be the lighting – in the overall scheme of things I say to that - WOW.
For those that are keen on this and that have outlayed the cash - I hope it proves to be a LOT better that a green game with pretty lights!
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Wotto, this is not meant to be a demonstration of a finished product, but a show of where they are up too
I would expect the video parts to be finished last
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I think Pete is right. Jack from JJP would have ALOT of features and cool stuff hidden away to surprise the hell out of everyone.
That code on the demo model may have just been loaded to test switches etc only and maybe just for LED lighting etc. Its like when my AC/DC PRO first came with the basic code. The game was GOOD. But after uploading the next gamecode updates, which had literally hundreds of updates within it, it made the game GREAT. And the updates since have been better and better again over the 8 week period. The updates have stopped now and the game is bloody fantastic. Code can make a HUGE difference. It did on the PRO. Espescially dot matric and audio. BIG positive changes. The same will happen with WOZ after customer feedback as usual.
Its still very early days. ALOT can happen in a 60 or 90 day period. And even after the game is shipped, the code updates will happen and make any loose ends Terriffic. I reckon JJP will pull some rabbits out of hats and I reckon it will still be a EXCELLENT package.
I cant see JJP releasing anything but a very decent machine. We will all know by Xmas.
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I keep seeing people saying the game looks slow. Surely asjusting the slope of the game higher will make it faster??? I think it looks alright. Hopefully the lcd tie in will bring it all together. They seem to be releasing spicks and specks atm. I think I will utlimatley reserve judgement until its full released.
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September 11, 2012
Dear Pinball Fans,
Today, as we do everyday, we remember those who lost their lives and whose lives were affected by the events that took place on September 11th 2001. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and with our country.
The other day in response to some requests, Jack took a short video of a game we have here at JJP in our Conference Room. While the game is mostly physically complete, the software is not. We did however want to show more elements of how a single ball travels on the game.
We want to include the community in our progress as this is what we have believed from the beginning. This has never been done in pinball development as there is a chance for people to guess that we are finished, which we are not. We have received so many e mails from our Facebook post about how spectacular the game looks, the lights and the different toys. This video will bring more questions about sound and speech calls. Chris and Keith work together to place them and fit them perfectly - which has not been done yet in this video.
This video only shows one screen on the LCD Display. We have released several but there are many that are unreleased that will be incorporated into the game. So much more to come!
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September 11, 2012
Dear Pinball Fans,
Today, as we do everyday, we remember those who lost their lives and whose lives were affected by the events that took place on September 11th 2001. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and with our country.
The other day in response to some requests, Jack took a short video of a game we have here at JJP in our Conference Room. While the game is mostly physically complete, the software is not. We did however want to show more elements of how a single ball travels on the game.
We want to include the community in our progress as this is what we have believed from the beginning. This has never been done in pinball development as there is a chance for people to guess that we are finished, which we are not. We have received so many e mails from our Facebook post about how spectacular the game looks, the lights and the different toys. This video will bring more questions about sound and speech calls. Chris and Keith work together to place them and fit them perfectly - which has not been done yet in this video.
This video only shows one screen on the LCD Display. We have released several but there are many that are unreleased that will be incorporated into the game. So much more to come!
thanks for the link but what do you think of what jack has shown us in these last two videos?
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thanks for the link but what do you think of what jack has shown us in these last two videos?
Been in since day 1 and while the quality, lighting etc look amazing........im a little worried
- way too much up, down, up, sdtm going on - hopefully this can be fixed with ramp adjustments(?)
- maybe linked to the above but i cant see many fun shots to be had
- voice character call outs are way off sounding like the movie characters
- will you even be able to see the top right corner of the pf past the house (it may not matter?)
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There's no doubt it's a jammed packed pinball , the whole package to me looks nice .
I've been in contact with Jack and he's going 1000km/hr to get this done and to get it right .
IMO he can take all the time in world .
Will see more video very soon .
September 11, 2012
Dear Pinball Fans,
Today, as we do everyday, we remember those who lost their lives and whose lives were affected by the events that took place on September 11th 2001. Our thoughts and prayers are with them and with our country.
The other day in response to some requests, Jack took a short video of a game we have here at JJP in our Conference Room. While the game is mostly physically complete, the software is not. We did however want to show more elements of how a single ball travels on the game.
We want to include the community in our progress as this is what we have believed from the beginning. This has never been done in pinball development as there is a chance for people to guess that we are finished, which we are not. We have received so many e mails from our Facebook post about how spectacular the game looks, the lights and the different toys. This video will bring more questions about sound and speech calls. Chris and Keith work together to place them and fit them perfectly - which has not been done yet in this video.
This video only shows one screen on the LCD Display. We have released several but there are many that are unreleased that will be incorporated into the game. So much more to come!
thanks for the link but what do you think of what jack has shown us in these last two videos?
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IMO he can take all the time in world .
Well - until early December at the very latest that is ...... :lol *!@ :lol
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That last video is soooooo much better. I reckon that video alone shows the game to be 200 percent better than the previous video.
As JJP have said, alot of software and gamecode to be updated yet. That LED lighting is amazing. Going to be beautiful in a dark gamesroom.
I would bet money on it that it will be very special when finished.
P.S - It NEEDS one MOD to make it absolutely EXTRA stunning to the eyes, A set of Swinksys mirror blades to make it extra pop ! That will be a very WIDE widebody.lol Imagine how good that will look with the mirror blades installed. ^^^ ^^^
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IMO he can take all the time in world .
Well - until early December at the very latest that is ...... :lol *!@ :lol
Lets hope so , would be a great Xmas gift .
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First Woz video from PPE
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The machine is pretty, but I would like to see some coordination between the colored LEDs and what you are supposed to be shooting for (or modes the game is in), it still looks like to me it is just cycling through the color spectrum
But the machine continues to look like a winner to me
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From Jack's Private forum , written by Martin at Pinball news
It's too early to form a solid impression - not least because I was
flitting back and forth between the WoZ set-up and doing the AV for Clay's
seminar, so never had a good chance to play it.
The first thing that hit me though was just how damn bright and vivid those
LEDs are. No video camera can do them justice, but you get a sense at the
end of the video when it goes back to attrack mode.
There is a really nice YBR inserts animation at the start which indicates
the path in a kind of visual flourish. You'll see that soon I'm sure.
Rules so far:
- There are three button rollovers, each of which adds letters to the the
Tin Man, Lion and Scarecrow. Spell out all three to light lock on the
ramp. Lock three balls to start multiball
- Knock the Winkie drop target down three times and it stays down, allowing
the centre top VUK to send the ball to the Witch's Castle mini-playfield.
- If you complete both standups in the pop bumper area, that enables the
magnet at the top above the rollover lanes. The magnet holds the ball
while the winged monkey grabs it and flies it up to the Witch's Castle.
- When lock isn't lit, every second shot to the ramp goes to the
Munchkinland mini-playfield which is harder to loop than it looks.
I've seen comments saying the flippers don't look strong enough to make the
ramp shot reliably. I don't think that's true. A well-aimed shot never
has a problem, but anything slightly off may not make it. That's not a
strength issue though, it's an accuracy one. :-)
Think that's enough for now. Time for breakfast. I'll have pictures of
the machine's unboxing and set up later today on Pinball News, and will
post a link here when I've done the article (in between the seminars).
Cheers,
Martin.
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I think people will be very impressed when standing in front of this game.
The general illumination and inserts are great. Ball is bouncing around quickly and it has plenty of shots to keep people busy.
Would like to see more movement on the LCD screen during gameplay, like a constantly moving Dot Matrix display. Its not until u see no movement do u realise just how much a std dot matrix moves around alot.
I reckon this game will be a winner. It is coming along beautifully. ^^^
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The playfield looks awesome - layout, artwork and toys. Simply amazing and outstanding @@*
It plays SLOOOW, and the flippers don't seem to have the power to make it up the rear ramps. @@^
I can't understand why manufacturers STILL insist on black rubbers in a NEW game. Not only does it "slow" an already SLOOOW game down, but it looks terrible. !@#
LCD looks more like a distraction than part of the game.
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Oh dear. Not for me thanks.
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Might be the video but it does look slow. Might be a game I'll be able to play unlike Acdc.
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lighting looks impressive, that rear ramp would bug me I reckon.
noticed the lcd was divided in 1/4's - wonder if that was stages achieved in each ball or progress through a story - if either or both - cool.
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Woz nearly didn't make it .
From Jack's forum
There's a little story about the game's travel to this show. We had it
flown here by midnight airlines I think. I arrived and was warmly
greeted and then Ron Chan says "you know about the damage right." -
yeah, right I'm thinking. Another guy teasing me. But that's not Ron's
style.
I go into the room where the game is and the box has a hole in it, is
split at it's seam and the pallet is no longer under the box but on
top of the box looking like toothpicks! Really? The game was
definitely dropped.
Everyone in the room with me was looking at the box and looking at me
like they were watching a tennis match for my reaction. We opened the
box, checked for damage and setup the game. Not a bump or bruise on
the game, thanks to Larry's pack job and to the cabinet construction
and probably going to church on most Sundays......the game was insured
for $8000 too but this game is "priceless".
Don't think I'm using the same mode of transport back to the MC but
its good to know and shipping more of these around can only help us.
It's was one of the boxes we rejected in the elimination process but
should have been fine under normal shipping circumstances, whatever
that is.
I was shown pictures of the game's arrival and the driver had it
hanging off the tailgate. If not for the crowd here upon it's arrival
it would have probably fallen off the truck here too...LOL...I'll get
some pictures posted somewhere. Thanks to everyone at PPE again.
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it definately plays very slow, maybe it was designed that way to give newbies, and kids a chance to keep the ball in play.
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here are some photos from the show - looks nice
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index33.html
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here are some photos from the show - looks nice
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index33.html
If you watch the video - turn the sound down #@#
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AMAZING LOOKING MACHINE.
Great to see more complete photos and new video footage.
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I think it will play alot faster when u are standing in front of it. Dont those inserts look magical.
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From Jack's Forum
1) I spent almost six hours straight last night until midnight watching
people playing the game and listening to their comments. Lots of great
stuff.
We set this game up to play at medium strength for all coils including
lower flippers. Even little kids get up the ramp, it's a skill shot
more at the moment although once tweaked up in strength, even a
halfway shot will get it up the ramp. It's going to kick!
Basically everyone seems to love the game on many levels. I have lots
of notes.
Funny- Ladies are telling their husbands that they want the game and
the husbands are telling me "thank you Jersey Jack, my wife never
asked me to buy a pinball machine before" I have some Dads buying it
for their daughters too, as they watch them play it.
The line is still long now and we noticed last night and today people
wait on line, play their two ball game and get back on line to play
again. That's really cool too.
I bet you put this game in a bar and every girl there is playing it.
I'm going to pack it up in about an hour as I fly home later. Thanks
to everyone at PPE for your amazing support and a spectacular show, we
love you.
2) If the difference is making a ramp shot more often - and I do agree -
it's easy to increase flipper strength.
We played it here and we were all satisfied that everything can be
made. Martin played and agreed in this mode of strength it was more of
a skill shot - accuracy - than a bash.
Not an issue at all...again, all I said about first impressions,
etc......work in progress. All in all a spectacular weekend for JJP
and WOZ
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September 25, 2012
Greetings Pinball Fans,
JJP had a fantastic time in San Rafael, CA at the Pacific Pinball Expo this past weekend. During his seminar on Saturday, Jack revealed the Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine to hundreds of guests. The game was then set to Free Play, and everyone got a chance to try it out. Jack said, "At one point there were about 50 people waiting in line to play. From young children to WOZ Owners, the game got a great response; it was amazing to see everyone's reactions and hear their feedback. The game was played for eleven hours straight."
The Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine also won "Overall Best of Show" at the Pacific Pinball Expo. There's also some great coverage of WOZ at PPE by Pinball News - http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index33.html
Jersey Jack Pinball will have a booth at New York Comic Con from October 11-14th! The show is located at the Javits Center in New York City and we will have two Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines in booth #1683! For tickets, visit -
http://www.newyorkcomiccon.com/Buy-Tickets/
Congratulations to Jim Vierra and Dottie Tice on winning a signed WOZ Traslite through our Pacific Pinball Expo Contest on Facebook! Make sure to "Like" us on Facebook to be eligible for exclusive Contests and Giveaways!
We would also like to announce Joe Newhart of PinballSTAR Amusements as a factory authorized JJP Distributor. Joe along with his son and business partner, Patrick, are located in Dallas, PA and are excited to have this opportunity. Joe says, "I have come to consider Jack a close friend over the years so the opportunity to partner with him through Jersey Jack Pinball was a no-brainer to me. I am excited to work with JJP to bring Wizard of Oz, a truly game-changing pinball, to the market. "
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Here's a Video from Jack's last show .
Check out who's sitting on the back row jotting down notes , crazy stuff .
Anyway Jack spoke and composed him self very well.
Well
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Here's a Video from Jack's last show .
Check out who's sitting on the back row jotting down notes , crazy stuff .
Anyway Jack spoke and composed him self very well.
Well
No link Ant !@#
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oops , I'm going Million km per hour .I'll find it ^^^
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Here's a Video from Jack's last show .
Check out who's sitting on the back row jotting down notes , crazy stuff .
Anyway Jack spoke and composed him self very well.
Well
Hands glued to his pocket while everyone else applauded..
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Will have to watch the rest later.. bloody pinball keeps interrupting my work time!
Ive only watched half of this and a few points well worth noting..
Gary Stern stoic at the back hands in pockets.
Punter in the audience.." i can see the value in this machine.. its something i just dont see in Stern and yet theyve been going over and over and must be making money"
Jack... machine has cost me 2 1/2 million dollars.. i have people trying to throw money at me, all wanting 10% 15 % of the company etc.. i dont want their money.
Jack.. I already kinow what game #2 is.. i already know what #3 is
2 1/2 million bucks to set up a pinball company from SCRATCH.. not to make a machine.. to set up a company.
Great times ahead for pinball.. thank god Gary came back with the killer punch... $3K toy...LOL
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I watched the whole thing, then I watched the entire Gary Stern video from same expo.
A couple of things I got from it. JJP is still in the learning process, and are a very long way off knowing what they are doing yet.
It will take more than 2, possibly 3 games before they even come close to being in a rythym like Stern. It will be good for pinball, but its ages away yet. If he is paying over $500 per machine for RGB Leds, he is getting taken for a ride.
Gary basically said having other companies doing well with Pinball is great for his business and for pinball in general. (I guess its llike having a Kentucky built next to a McDonalds, extra traffic for one equates to extra traffic for the other).
He also acknowledges that JJP have done well cause many others have failed.
JJP also talks about building 15 machines a day with apx 60 people on the line, whereas Gary talks about building a minimum of 25 or 26 games a day at Stern to be successful, and i counted about 80 people for the whole company.
All interesting stuff.
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If he is paying over $500 per machine for RGB Leds, he is getting taken for a ride.
Depends... there is a HUGE difference between China LED and German LED and he could well be paying that much for all the LED's, controller etc.
German LEd is considered the best there is.. but its expensive as its done RIGHT... Chinese make affordable LED but its quality is way way below that of the European stuff.
But even then.. no guarantee that German stuff is bullet proof as with any mass produced item
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It's also interesting that he mentions the strategy behind developing WOZ as a pin theme when he talks about two associated movies coming out next year. As well as his hopes of getting in on the action so to speak, with WOZ pins in cinimas.
I found this link to one of the movies:
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If he is paying over $500 per machine for RGB Leds, he is getting taken for a ride.
Depends... there is a HUGE difference between China LED and German LED and he could well be paying that much for all the LED's, controller etc.
German LEd is considered the best there is.. but its expensive as its done RIGHT... Chinese make affordable LED but its quality is way way below that of the European stuff.
But even then.. no guarantee that German stuff is bullet proof as with any mass produced item
Excellent point, Gav. I've seen these bargain priced LEDs in a few games now, and they are rubbish. They have a high fail rate, and are made so poorly that most "fall out" of their sockets - especially if you have a shaker motor. I refuse to install these "el cheapos" in any game I restore.
I think JJP would be looking at quality, not quantity.
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If Jack is using a US built Cree led chip set and the good quality drivers etc etc , you could easily blow the $500 .
There's a massive price difference between the chinese led's and the US ,Japanese Germany chips .
My guess Stern would be using Chinese led's all the way , they look ok and gets it over the line .
I can asure you that Jack's boards are all made in the US , nothing on the WOZ is out source from China .
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I have used/tested LEDS from cointaker, pinball-life, rtb, and I dont know where they get them from, but I have never had a failure yet on one single LED and I have purchased over 4,000 leds, in both 555 and 44 style, in all the different colours. Never had one fall out with any of my machines with shaker motors either and I have 8 different games using these Leds. I am not sure which supplier uses the el-cheapo ones that were mentioned ?.
Re JJP paying $500 for Leds per machine using RGP leds, I suspect he was talking a retail full blown price to the end user if they were to buy them for themselves, because good quality single colour leds can be had for 26 cents each(100 each colour min), and when you use say 300 per machine, its $80 worth of insert/General illumination Leds. Games like Bally/Williams get the ghosting roms so there is no ghosting, and other titles have very little ghosting if any. BUT, if JJP are using colour changing Leds for every single purpose, that would lift the price considerably, but not to $500 per machine surely, even if u add in the control gear.
Does anyone know what brand Stern are using in their games, cause I thought they were cointaker ??.
Has anyone had any failures yet, other than a loose ill=fitted Led which came good ?
Perhaps JJP couldnt waste time testing cheaper versions for the games, and since the software had to be written for the lighting, they had to lock in a Led very early in the peace.
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Mate.. RGB are a different kettle of fish.. each has 3 LED inside.. 1 red 1green 1 blue.. these 3 are interconnected so you can bring the red up slightly, the green more.. skip blue etc. Having all these 3 working together like this can give a choice of over 1 billion colours.. cheaper RGB less colours.
The PWM to drive these needs to show a colour differentiation that is as smooth as silk.. no jumping between colours.
Then take in wether they are 3528 LED..50/50..50/60 etc.. each draw different current.. each have a different light output.
When you buy RGB it pays to buy quality as the cheaper models tend to " lock on" and so one will always have red active etc and it throws the whole colour spectrum out and looks shit
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Understand that they are different to single types etc, but even if u say they are 3 or 4 times the retail price of good quality singles, it shld be less than $1 each for 1500 machines times 300 leds each. Does JJP say how many Leds are in each WOZ anywhere.?
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QUOTE; 150 of the most expensive he could find.. all powered UNDER
.... this gives less heat dissipation through the back and so the LED will last longer
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From Jack back in July:
"So about six weeks ago we find out that the LED's we want to use for
our GI Lights are like $6 each after sourcing them and promises of a
lower cost.....don't worry, they will be lower in quantity we are
told..... John makes a controller board (that's like a month or so out
of his life) and they work great - oops...the supplier can save us a
few pennies under $6 each and we need 30+ of them.....and it's ten
weeks + to get them all of a sudden. Bad communications on the
supplier side but who's in any type of time sensitive project anyway?
We quickly switch to the LED we are using in the feature lights...Joe
redesigns the redesign the bracket, John creates a new board for them
and Jim the method to show the light on the playfield and John has to
design another completely different driver board to control
everything...oh...Keith has to program to the different firmware and
driver board too....tidbit huh - so - we have those LED's in stock,
boards are being made, Keith has to take five steps forward and a few
backwards and we get what we want in spite of suppliers who are not
time and price sensitive....there's a tidbit for you. About another
thousand like that and a few that ended badly but we keep going, we
have an amazing team..... "
Also, Jack's mentioned that feature LEDs as seen at the shows are being driven to only 40% of their brightness capacity, but it also looks like they'll be using them to double as flashers. Last count was 150 RGB LEDs, but I think that's still in flux as word only a few weeks ago was that Joe was adding more lights in places (spotlights, another by the OZ lanes, etc.).
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Ok, sounds like Jack is using 50/50 LED or similar.. drive these under and they will give the light output of a standard 3528.. drive at full current and you get 3X the light output, thereby acting as flashers also... clever move.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-axogY3Xoy8
Just finished watching the second half of this video (thanks for posting Ant).
Personally, I could listen to Jack Guarnieri presentations all the time. Their are some people that can really hold an audience, and the way speaks he can definitely do that.
He reminds me of Richard Branson. There's a lot of similarities....
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this machine does look like there is some good inovation as far as the layout of the playfield. however as far as photoshoped looking art and movie theme i fail to see to much difference between this new company and stern. to be honest Zombie adventure land looks from the art work and original concept seems to be the most innovative machine being made for quite a while now.
i wish there was more support for the zombie machine than there was for this machine, i think that would be better investment for consumers if they are after future more innovative pinballs.
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Agree mate.... i have a real dislike for the cropped pictures of actors on the PF... who the hell wants to look at Helen Hunt and old Bozo on Twister?.. it lets LOTR down also as well as many many others... i reckon they look really cheesy which only gets worse as the years move on
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Agree mate.... i have a real dislike for the cropped pictures of actors on the PF... who the hell wants to look at Helen Hunt and old Bozo on Twister?.. it lets LOTR down also as well as many many others... i reckon they look really cheesy which only gets worse as the years move on
+1
Case in point.
Gandalf's penis beard.... :lol
(http://mirror2.ipdb.org/images/5558/image-1.jpg)
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LE Flyer:
(http://www.nypinball.com/brochure_img/2053_front_org.jpg)
(http://www.nypinball.com/brochure_img/2053_back_org.jpg)
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Jack's Birthday today
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Any special WOZ reveals on the cards Ant to coincide with Jacks Birthday?
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Naaa
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:tumble: !!!
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The host site removed the flyer scans I posted earlier so here are some hi-res files of the WOZ flyers for anyone who wants a keepsake.
LE Flyer:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vuaazl7nbnub16m/WOZ%20BRO%20FINAL%20EMERALD.pdf
WOZ Regular Flyer:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m21kv9lc7bp02ot/WOZ%20BRO%20FINAL%20SILVER.pdf
Preview pics of above files: (As you can see the flyer is designed to fold like a booklet/brochure)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgn0e8nhj9dy4g4/WOZ%20Brochure%20Preview.jpg
Edit: When I said the host site I meant the US based site, not AP (hope there was no confusion there).
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Thankyou for the links for the brochures. Excellent. ^^^
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Thanks for the links. They look great.
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FYI
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I am over this game
I would have thought that if it is starting to ship this year, then we would have received some sort of official notification
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I am over this game
I would have thought that if it is starting to ship this year, then we would have received some sort of official notification
Might help me make my last payment if they did.
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You can see why Stern doesnt let people know too much about their upcoming titles too early and how they keep the interest/hype alive by only releasing little bits of info very close to the actual release date. Stern have become masters at keeping interest very very high this way.
WOZ has dragged on like a slow wet rainy week, sure, but if they release a pin which isnt right, it will be alot worse for them in the long run.
I think WOZ owners will forget about the slowness of it all when they unbox the machine on the first night. Its going to be a special machine.
.... is it going to be special enough to get the majority of WOZ buyers lined up for their 2nd title , I think it will. ^^^
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You can see why Stern doesnt let people know too much about their upcoming titles too early and how they keep the interest/hype alive by only releasing little bits of info very close to the actual release date. Stern have become masters at keeping interest very very high this way.
WOZ has dragged on like a slow wet rainy week, sure, but if they release a pin which isnt right, it will be alot worse for them in the long run.
I think WOZ owners will forget about the slowness of it all when they unbox the machine on the first night. Its going to be a special machine.
.... is it going to be special enough to get the majority of WOZ buyers lined up for their 2nd title , I think it will. ^^^
in defence of this company compared to stern, well they needed the cash to fund the project, so it sort of had to go the way of selling the product earlier than stern would have, that makes sense especially for a start up business.
it might happen this way for the first few titles i would say then they might be in a position to confidently have an idea of numbers and have money to fund the project later on in the development so it wont have such a long time from announcement to getting the pinball.
It would be hard to predict exactly when its ready, i guess i nthis case they have got it very wrong, they are building a company and a new pinball at the same time. its going to piss people off i guess, but you would have been crazy not to have expected running past a deadline. i think their stupiest part would have actually stated a deadline, they could have done a similar settup to the zombie adventureland pinball game on ordering and they send you the progress of the machine with out saying when, but you can see it being done, its not conventional but clever imo and saves this sort of heartache for them.
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Jason, they did have deadlines
the machine was supposed to start shipping in December last year, then April
each time it go close, they moved it forward two months
even now, we were supposed to have seen a fully working test game on location, but all we see is game at various expos with software that is nowhere near complete
And if the second title is 'the hobbit' I am not buying it
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Staying with the delays and lack of action part of the topic......
So .....when I ask JJ straight to his face at PPE 2011 as only he, I and one other person were sitting at a table having a coffee and I ask him "how concerned are you that after promising a date ( of March or April at that stage ) that if you DONT have the game by then, that this hobby will instantly start comparing you to Wayne Gillard and the infamous MM remake debacle".............I could see unhappiness in his eyes that I ( or it would seem anyone ) even dared to ask a question like this..........he looked me fair in the eyes and said "the difference between Gillard and us is that I will have our game out on time” ( end quote )
That was 3 promise dates ago.
And THATS why people get sceptical in a hobby that already has a history of promises , promises, promises..........having been spoken at like I was some type of fool for questioning him initially I personally I give zero leeway for the endless delays on this game. Overpromising and under-delivering is the most absolute dumbest thing ANY business person could ever do whether you are selling boiled lollies or cars or shoes or pinball machines.
My initial question to him WASNT to compare HIM to WG - but rather to seek his opinion on how he expected the hobby(ists) to react to him IF he failed to meet the deadlines HE WAS SETTING......he chose the answer that he gave me.
Meet the man, follow the progress trail and make your own mind up.
I know I did.
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The pinball community doesnt mind if u are late, provided you give your customers constant feedback and valid reasons as to why/how/when etc.
JJP have been honest from day 1, havent told any fibs to my knowledge and have been focusing on getting things right before sending out a machine.
If JJP sent out a machine that wasnt finished, and the product ws given bad reviews, it would be alot worse than holding back, waiting for the machine to be right, then sending out.
Have they had some cancellations, Probably, will they get a few more cancellations betweeen now and December when the machines are still not finished, Probably, will JJP still have a loyal following with 80 percent of the people who have ordered a WOZ, Probably, and this will mean some solid pre-sales for their next pinball machine if the title is good.
Jersey Jack is responsible if the machine is late, the buck stops with him, but he can only give dates based on his pinball teams advice as to when things will be finished by etc. Some will be tolerant, others will not be and will wipe JJP for future purchasers because they are so late.
But this all keeps showing up one thing that no-one can escape, and that is the job Stern have been doing well for many years.
JJP have made Stern look smarter and more productive as a result of all this. It just goes to show, that 20 million bux, poaching/finding/recruiting the best pinball minds in the business guarrantees nothing at all, unless you can make it all work smoothly and quickly.
Alot of people said JJP would be bad for Stern, but I am of the mind JJP have been great for Stern and made alot of people realise Stern was doing a better job all along with their production cycles and ability to get multiple machines to the market quickly, without delays.
Gary Stern would be smiling and I think he deserves to.
WOZ will still be a great machine, but it will always be known as a very very late, over-run machine. Will it matter in 12 months ? Time will tell.
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But Mr Stern does not ask for $$$ up front
Most WoZ buyer have been fully paid up since last year
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But Mr Stern does not ask for $$$ up front
Most WoZ buyer have been fully paid up since last year
stern has capitol already, and i would believe most who bought the machine would understand that the money people are paying are helping fund the startup business, its a gamble but every one should certainly have understood that.
this would be the only part i would defend JJp on,
they really should have done a similar system to how the guys who are making "Zombie adventure land" have gone about working out dates.
I having built motorhomes know how easy it is for contructing something new leaves dates out the window,
you give dates and it always bites you in the arse, tooling failure or supply issues, you main worker gets sick, Whatever it always happens gaurenteed on a start up buisness, those things cvant be predicted. are out of your own control always popup when saying definitive dates. its a wrong move. it is so easy to go over a deadline in construction.
at the end of the day, he is NEW and i doubt understood what the construction side intails.
he might have been around for a while but has he built a factory of pinballs ?? no.
he fell for a common newbie mistake working out dates on best case senarios. it is his fault yes, but You have chosen to be part of something new, and of this process.
as for JJP being bad or good for stern, who knows they are both making the same sort of machines. movie based titles, with photoshop playfields. none of them making original games. thats JJP's problem more than anything else. prety much doing what stern are doing.
Maybe people would have been more forgiving if they weren't so similar to stern as far as what they are building, just with delays on their games.
The zombie adventure land game deserves more credit than JJP imo. and recon if you want to see some future innovation in pinball you should jump ship to that project over JJp and stern.
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My guess is that JJ has now run into the same problem that WG in Aus faced - obtaining a viable short term semi-skilled workforce who can build and put together 1000 plus machines in a 6 month timeframe.
They both have the capital to get third parties to manufacture parts - what they don't have is the labour force to assemble said parts into a fully working machine on a mass production scale.
I think that is the reason we have not seen a complete version out in public yet. I am certain that software/gameplay wise it is ready to go but the minute a finished version shows up online, everyone will have JJ on a much stricter completion deadline (and at that stage there will be little other reason than "manufacturing problems".)
One of the reasons that IPB were able to get BBB out the door is that they had a lot of help on their assembly line from the pinball community in the US. That was how they beat the Europe ROHS deadline and got those machines finished.
Can you imagine either WG or JJ asking for help from their respective local pinball communities on an assembly line?
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My guess is that JJ has now run into the same problem that WG in Aus faced - obtaining a viable short term semi-skilled workforce who can build and put together 1000 plus machines in a 6 month timeframe.
They both have the capital to get third parties to manufacture parts - what they don't have is the labour force to assemble said parts into a fully working machine on a mass production scale.
I think that is the reason we have not seen a complete version out in public yet. I am certain that software/gameplay wise it is ready to go but the minute a finished version shows up online, everyone will have JJ on a much stricter completion deadline (and at that stage there will be little other reason than "manufacturing problems".)
One of the reasons that IPB were able to get BBB out the door is that they had a lot of free help on their assembly line from the pinball community in the US. That was how they beat the Europe ROHS deadline and got those machines finished.
Can you imagine either WG or JJ asking for help from their respective local pinball communities on an assembly line?
that is certainly a good point, and if you can survive failure, its a good learning curve, they are in uncharted waters i am sure. any buisness owner knows what it is like to be over your head and faced with the sink or swim scenario.
the success also does have allot to how the pinball communty will react to delays as to if he will get a chance to learn and improve. if people are impatient and not fair about it. then there will be another failed company for sure.
i do recon if people beleive JJP has something to offer the pinball world, then you would hope they dont get to carried away and demand heads to roll. you might miss out on something in the future. who knows
bashing the guy or putting big pressure on him doesnt help some one get out of a situation, some times the best way to get what you want done is to relax and let the guy sort to kinks out.
Im sympathetic for him on this, as i know what its like in buisness, having the best of intentions and getting snowed under. and it only takes one set of errors to make you look like a goose, you just need to give him time to redeem him self.
keep in mind, develop a new pinball,
create an entire factory with tooling to build them on large scale,
have to train and learn on the fly an entire work force, when you have never done it before
and keep the funding up would be a huge task, it would be a huge killer for an brand new fully indepentant company to undertake whilest keeping the investers aka you happy. it should relistically take a few titles before you get that 100% right
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I wouldn't have the patience to wait this long! Waiting another month for Tron is killing me lol, the delay won't be good for JJP but great for Stern.
Peter
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I showed some of my non pinhead mates pics and videos of woz, they said if you are even remotely thinking of getting one of those expect a beating.
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sent from computer using the internet.
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+1 WOZ is definitely not showing up at the local pub. I would not be comfortable with paying up front and waiting so long. What if it all went belly up?
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Off topic and insulting posts have been removed - play nice please guys!! ^.^
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Jason, it is not a new business
Jack has been dealing in pinball machines and parts for many years
http://www.pinballsales.com/shop/pc/home.asp
he also was in bussines building redemption games, so I would have thought half of what was need to build a game he would have already known
http://www.elautusa.com/news_1110.html
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There are many reasons why JJP has delays.. none of which are available to the public.
Once machine is finally out which im lead to believe will be Dec time... (but dont expect 1200 machines to be shipped out in a week etc.. it aint possible)
Im sure it will all come out in the wash.. reasons for the delays will probably be made known.
You can judge the machine then.. not the man
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There are many reasons why JJP has delays.. none of which are available to the public.
Once machine is finally out which im lead to believe will be Dec time... (but dont expect 1200 machines to be shipped out in a week etc.. it aint possible)
Im sure it will all come out in the wash.. reasons for the delays will probably be made known.
You can judge the machine then.. not the man
Jack has one man writing the operting software for new pinball hardware, and the software for the WoZ game
Me thinks this should have started much sooner
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I agree with pbpete.
All we keep hearing is how clever JJ is, how loaded he is, and what an astute businessman he is.
What i keep seeing however is excuses and validation of his fund raising requirements and basic business rookie errors.
If i was a multi millionare and wanted to do this, i would get a game done and
finished and then get it out there and sell the thing based on its merits. If you had the funds
and the belief in your product, then you should have zero hesitation in doing that.
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I agree with pbpete.
All we keep hearing is how clever JJ is, how loaded he is, and what an astute businessman he is.
What i keep seeing however is excuses and validation of his fund raising requirements and basic business rookie errors.
If i was a multi millionare and wanted to do this, i would get a game done and
finished and then get it out there and sell the thing based on its merits. If you had the funds
and the belief in your product, then you should have zero hesitation in doing that.
i some what agree with this in part, the machine should have been built and tested before actually starting to build the production line, and then at least the buyer can see what they are buying, i do think the build process has been key to peoples interest,
i still think even if the machine was finished the time of manufacturing might be later than now, at least he wouldnt be trying to build a machine and buisness at the same time, and starting to manufacture a machine whilest its not finished. that part certainly makes sense.
as for the buyers funding the operation with their preorders, well the buyers already or should have relized that is what they are essentially doing. he still could have done that once the machine was completed.
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Does anyone know if Bumper has a ETA ?
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It is not pretty LEDs or toys that make a good pinball machine, it is the software that runs the game that either makes or breaks a game
What Jack should have done is to take any old pinball machine and fitted it out with his new hardware and got the software team working a lot sooner, thereby making a machine that showed the potential of his vision
Bally did this in the 70’s with Bow and Arrow, and there are the prototypes of FG and EBD that were built using the next generation of boards
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I agree with pbpete.
All we keep hearing is how clever JJ is, how loaded he is, and what an astute businessman he is.
What i keep seeing however is excuses and validation of his fund raising requirements and basic business rookie errors.
If i was a multi millionare and wanted to do this, i would get a game done and
finished and then get it out there and sell the thing based on its merits. If you had the funds
and the belief in your product, then you should have zero hesitation in doing that.
spot on Wotto.
I think JJP hedged his bets. He asked for pre-orders etc upfront when he probably could have easily afforded to start this project without other peoples money. The software should have been started very early versus later. What he could have/should have done was to work on a basic operating system first, which then gets reshaped slightly for the next title, got that platform working first, then announced the JJP WOZ business model etc. It wasnt like he wasnt going to always need that pinball platform no matter what.
I wonder if they hacked/or could have hacked a Stern machine to copy the style of code, or at least copy alot of the foundation stuff to give them a much bigger headstart etc ?
If JJP had of come out of the starting blocks, announced all this new stuff, delivered on time, or before time with an exceptional product (widebody - LCD 26inch screen - 3 playfields - interactive toys - RGP Leds - Clear inserts - better cabinet graphics etc etc etc) then JJP would have made Stern look old hat, but by being so so very late, they now get lumped into the category of being no different to any other pinball manufacturer. **The problem here, is JJP wanted to be recognised as different, very different to anyone else in the industry. This has backfired. They now look the same, or even less productive than Stern. That may haunt them for a while.
.....And I know people will say that JJP was a start up compared to Stern, BUT it dont matter, cause when u come out n say u are going to be bigger, better, smarter than the competition, u have to deliver.
It wont matter when the machine is finally out, or will it. I see 50 percent less people putting money down perhaps on the next title, and will only committ to purchase once the machine is out.
I cancelled my WOZ order, cause of repeated delays and now want to see the machine first. I wonder how many othersd have pulled the pin...
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There are many reasons why JJP has delays.. none of which are available to the public.
Once machine is finally out which im lead to believe will be Dec time... (but dont expect 1200 machines to be shipped out in a week etc.. it aint possible)
Im sure it will all come out in the wash.. reasons for the delays will probably be made known.
You can judge the machine then.. not the man
This is an important fact to remember. I'm sure once the dust has settled, JJP will have learned a hard lesson and be well prepared for his next titles.
I'm not a buyer, so I have nothing to complain about. But I'm sure everyone will end up with their game and be happy with it.
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Lack of experience building and designing pinball machines is the answer for all the delays ofcourse.
I thought his experience building redemption games n slot machines would have made up for it, but it didnt. No big deal. I think everyone was just hopeful for a machine that was going to be on-time. I dont think its a huge surprise its late. What else can JJP say to people except things took longer than expected and it was their first pinball rodeo.
If The Hobbitt is the next title, will JJP fade away with lousy sales ? thats the next big question......
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Everyone is entitle to there opinions,but Jack has had massive hurdles to get over that was out of his control .
And only he knows it ,no one wants to see this finished as much as him .
I can't recall Jack every saying he will be bigger and better etc etc , what he did tell me in person was he is not in same market as Stern .
Jack's a good friend of mine and will remain that way , he has my 100% support from the very beginning .
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I agree ANT(Tony) that he wants it finished ASAP etc, but the things out of his control bit, I respectfully have to disagree, or at least question it. Management of these issues is what controls it, versus it being out of his control ??
One thing Gary Stern always talks about is that the pinball business is all about stock control, knowing exactly how much to order and exactly when, that the product cant turn up a day or two early cause it gets in the way, the fact that a day or two late holds up production etc etc. Its a really good video I watched (the recent Stern talk at the latest 2012 Pacific Pinball Expo) but it was this video clip which kept ringing in my head when I looked at the delays with JJP and WOZ.
Gary Stern kept saying that successful pinball manufacturing companies had CEO's that started in the stock rooms etc, he mentions Harry Williams, himself and a few others who all started and had the stock control side of the buisiness down pat. Infact, its this he talks about and not being late with your products/machines that makes u a winner in the pinball business. It makes me wonder, now that JJP is so late with WOZ, whether Gary chose the stock control topic and being ontime with your product etc topic, specifically for the 2012 PPExpo meaningly to set himself apart from JJP (or to highlight JJP's lateness).
He also says that a title that wont do well in Europe, or wont do well in a alcohol bar style location, will never do well.
(doing well is open for discussion ? is doing well 1200 machines or 5,000 machines etc)
When asked about WOZ, he mentions it wont do well in Europe, and askes will it be a machine people put into bars etc ?
Makes u think about things from his view( Garys pinball experience and overall stock control view). Stock control is the thing to master to get everything right, ontop of the other million problems of pinball design and manufacturing etc. The Pinball business in not a easy business, thats for sure.
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He also says that a title that wont do well in Europe, or wont do well in a alcohol bar style location, will never do well.
When asked about WOZ, he mentions it wont do well in Europe, and askes will it be a machine people put into bars etc ?
Big Buck Hunter?
Yeh yeh yeh..... JJP looks bad... Stern looks great. Gary is fantastic.
Arent Stern still releasing software codes for ACDC?
Gary is pooping his pants over WOZ.
Ok.. so we have continued delays, but this is no Wayne dickhead here.. we KNOW the game will get delivered. We KNOW that the cheap cost cutting exercises by Stern have been avoided. We KNOW that all boards have been made with the enthusiast being able to repair in mind..we KNOW that it will be a top quality machine once these last hurdles are over.
..And when that happens... all will be forgiven cos pinball people are like that... Have i got my machine???..Yes???.. Ok im really bloody happy!
I think JJP making Stern look smart is a bit of a over statement... Stern can put out 10 machines whilst waiting for WOZ... wont make any difference, JJP will still wallop Stern and Gary knows that which is why he had to put out a title like ACDC at a rock bottom price... OR.... maybe Transformers " mini me" for almost the same money... %.% %.%
I agree... Jack has been a bit naive when it comes to making a pinball, but he admits to that. I dont think he realised just how " cloak and dagger" it was going to be. He does now though.
Lesson learned.. move onto game 2.
To us the WOZ title is lame, but go into any US online costume retailer and read the sections.... Halloween...Adult etc... then with a section all of its own... Wizard Of Oz.
This film is still huge in US.. theres something about it that hits the US tender spot.
I wont be buying WOZ and wont be buying a Stern.. have no invested interest in either. But i do believe in Jack at JJP and i do believe he will deliver all that he has promised.
Being unhappy because youve put money upfront and there are delays??? I dont need to be a Genco Fortune Teller to forsee that one... and i still scratch my head as to why someone is willing to stump up shitloads of cash for a concept... anyone ever seen the show " Hustle"?...
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I agree ANT(Tony) that he wants it finished ASAP etc, but the things out of his control bit, I respectfully have to disagree, or at least question it. Management of these issues is what controls it, versus it being out of his control ??
One thing Gary Stern always talks about is that the pinball business is all about stock control, knowing exactly how much to order and exactly when, that the product cant turn up a day or two early cause it gets in the way, the fact that a day or two late holds up production etc etc. Its a really good video I watched (the recent Stern talk at the latest 2012 Pacific Pinball Expo) but it was this video clip which kept ringing in my head when I looked at the delays with JJP and WOZ.
Gary Stern kept saying that successful pinball manufacturing companies had CEO's that started in the stock rooms etc, he mentions Harry Williams, himself and a few others who all started and had the stock control side of the buisiness down pat. Infact, its this he talks about and not being late with your products/machines that makes u a winner in the pinball business. It makes me wonder, now that JJP is so late with WOZ, whether Gary chose the stock control topic and being ontime with your product etc topic, specifically for the 2012 PPExpo meaningly to set himself apart from JJP (or to highlight JJP's lateness).
Third parties are involved in almost EVERY title. How do we know that the hold up is related to a third party license ? This is certainly out of Jack's control. JJP can only control what is under his roof. I'm sure that after the dust has settled, we will know more.
I find it ironic that you are comparing JPP and Stern. Stern historically have copied other manufacturers. That's what their entire Business model was based upon. "Innovation" and "Stern" are mutually exclusive. Here's comes an innovation to pinball in JJP, and Sterns response is to drastically drop the pricing on AC/DC - but produce their best game in 20 years. Coincidence ? Will the same pricing and quality of game continue ? The pressure is more on Stern in my view.
I'm not going to buy WOZ or a late model Stern. But I support both these guys for producing pinball. But we need to take Stern off their pedestal.
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True anything pinball related is a good thing .
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There's a video of Bowen playing WOZ in the USA going around and it looks great the LEDs really do look awesome it's the best video I've seen so far I reckon it is a beautiful looking game.
Peter
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http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=91046&sitesection=wgnlanding&VID=23850656
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Cant wait for mine to turn up sometime next year and dont mine the wait,as long as it complete.I have faith in jack to delivery a top class pinball and if by chance something is not right a bet he fixes it with out the drama.
Maybe Gary shouldn't have shalfed him with the LOTRLE pinball.Time will tell but I wish Jack all the best with or without the delays. ^^^
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The video is great. Doesnt the clearcoat and the Leds on the playfield inserts and general illumination look fantastic. I was very very impressed by the look of the yellow brick road. Machine looks very upmarket compared to other videos we have seen because of the high definition camera used.
The reporter had no idea, what a dick ! Do people still play pinball he asks. He did alot of homework before that interview. And he couldnt tell it was a brand new pinball machine. The pinball player was talking about pinball and the idiot tv presenter is asking about basketball - schmuck.
Didnt the WOZ game look great but. Thanks for the video link ! ^^^
Also, in response to Ninos comments/questions, ? I thought the AC/DC price was only dropped in Australia because of a bulk seafreight purchase deal and a strong aussie dollar.? The quality has continued since AC/DC because X Men Pro etc is magnificent n full of great stuff. BUT, YES, Stern can always do better. Maybe AC/DC was the first machine released after Stern got a capital injection ?, and Steve Ritchie didnt want to release a dog like the three or 4 titles prior which were definately bad cost cutting machines. Only cause of AC/DC and X Men have I recently found praise for Stern.
Yes, Stern needs to step up to the plate now and do more on every title. That recent $3,000 Transformers home pinny is a embarrassment and I basically said so to Stern in a email.
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Yep that's the video I was talking about how's the PF shine and super crisp and bright LEDs very impressive come on jack what's number 2 title I need to start saving.
Peter
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There's certainly been a lot of activity on this thread the last couple of days. Always good to see more video footage.
It's very interesting to hear the opinions (positive and negative) on JJP. At the end of the day whether you like the theme WOZ or not you have to admire the effort going into this game and the passion/enthusiasm of JJ. The product will speak for itself when it's finished. Jack has said he's proud of what he and his team have achieved thus far, and good on him, he should be.
I'm sure there would have been plenty of setbacks and delays Jack wouldn't have foreseen but he has had to work through all of them, which will make the finished product even more rewarding for him personally, and in the process there will be future benefits of this. E.g. he's mentioned they have created JJ proprietary products and new tooling to cement there legacy with their own parts. It's easy for any of us to say he coulda, shouda, woulda with the benefit of hindsight.
Rome wasn't built in a day......food for thought.
Maybe there'll be an in depth exclusive interview with pinball magazine in one of their future issues??? %$%
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Yep that's the video I was talking about how's the PF shine and super crisp and bright LEDs very impressive come on jack what's number 2 title I need to start saving.
Peter
You will have plenty of time to save for #2, it should be ready by 2020.
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There's certainly been a lot of activity on this thread the last couple of days. Always good to see more video footage.
It's very interesting to hear the opinions (positive and negative) on JJP. At the end of the day whether you like the theme WOZ or not you have to admire the effort going into this game and the passion/enthusiasm of JJ. The product will speak for itself when it's finished. Jack has said he's proud of what he and his team have achieved thus far, and good on him, he should be.
I'm sure there would have been plenty of setbacks and delays Jack wouldn't have foreseen but he has had to work through all of them, which will make the finished product even more rewarding for him personally, and in the process there will be future benefits of this. E.g. he's mentioned they have created JJ proprietary products and new tooling to cement there legacy with their own parts. It's easy for any of us to say he coulda, shouda, woulda with the benefit of hindsight.
Rome wasn't built in a day......food for thought.
Maybe there'll be an in depth exclusive interview with pinball magazine in one of their future issues??? %$%
well said to everything you wrote coon82.
and Daz(cowcorner) you made me laugh so hard I almost pissed myself, with the 2020 comment.
Its good to have both serious and comedy discussion on all these topics, keeps the threads fun.lol ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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Yep that's the video I was talking about how's the PF shine and super crisp and bright LEDs very impressive come on jack what's number 2 title I need to start saving.
Peter
You will have plenty of time to save for #2, it should be ready by 2020.
Good I'll need it lol
Peter
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Seems that operators are getting the first games, then the public
I cannot see them shipping until after Xmas :(
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The reporter had no idea, what a dick ! Do people still play pinball he asks. He did alot of homework before that interview. And he couldnt tell it was a brand new pinball machine. The pinball player was talking about pinball and the idiot tv presenter is asking about basketball - schmuck.
He also asked 'is there a skill to playing pinball' @.@
It was a pretty light-hearted interview.
Game does look 'nice' ( I am trying my best not to say pretty.......DAMN I said it :lol )
Cavey - he was talking hoops because Todd McCullogh is a current pinball player who is an EX - NBA Player I believe
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The reporter had no idea, what a dick ! Do people still play pinball he asks. He did alot of homework before that interview. And he couldnt tell it was a brand new pinball machine. The pinball player was talking about pinball and the idiot tv presenter is asking about basketball - schmuck.
Didnt the WOZ game look great but. Thanks for the video link ! ^^^
This is actually a common interview technique to get an average Joe to open up and speak comfortably (on camera or not).
Ask a lot of simple, generic questions that seem patently obvious which the interviewee cannot possibly get wrong and they temporarily forget their surroundings making the entire scenario more relaxed and natural and the interviewee more responsive and forthcoming with information.
It works in real life situations as well where the interviewee may feel threatened, uncomfortable or nervous.
If you have ever conducted job interviews or interviewing where a person may feel under pressure you would be familiar with this technique for extracting information.
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I hear what u are saying, but it just seemed like the presenter wasnt really that interested or was that enthusiastic.
It almost seemed like he was thrown to that segment on the run and just did it off the cuff like he was thrown in the deep end.
If the interviewer had some knowledge or passion for the silverball, it could have been a much better interview.
Anyone I ever interviewed for a job position over the years usually had done their homework and although nervous, so to speak, had quite alot of industry or job knowledge. I do however use the technique you mentioned in your last sentence when extracting information from the wife after she has been shopping,lol, I pretend I have no idea where she has been or what she has spent, and ask basic questions to look for nervousness, thus ensuring I remember to check the credit card statements.lol %.%
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Watch this space
Seems that operators are getting the first games, then the public
I cannot see them shipping until after Xmas :(
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seems shipping may be closer than later if Tony(ANT) is hinting to watch this space.
also, I would want my WOZ machine to be number 300 and above, so everyone else gets the early machines and I would get a machine that has had all the production bugs worked out of it....food for thought....
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seems shipping may be closer than later if Tony(ANT) is hinting to watch this space.
also, I would want my WOZ machine to be number 300 and above, so everyone else gets the early machines and I would get a machine that has had all the production bugs worked out of it....food for thought....
No mate.... you are not buying a Stern
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It was always a commonly held position on the WOZ forums (and confirmed by the man himself from numerous public talks) that machines will be shipped out in the order that the initial deposits were put down, not by the machine's LE number.
First day back in January 2011 there were 100+ deposits so that will be the first hurdle for the JJ production plant to get over.
Has this now changed?
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Watch this space
Sorry, not listening unless it is in an official update from Jack
Either it is shipping this year or it is not
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Anyone I ever interviewed for a job position over the years usually had done their homework and although nervous, so to speak, had quite alot of industry or job knowledge. I do however use the technique you mentioned in your last sentence when extracting information from the wife after she has been shopping,lol, I pretend I have no idea where she has been or what she has spent, and ask basic questions to look for nervousness, thus ensuring I remember to check the credit card statements.lol
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Watch this space
Sorry, not listening unless it is in an official update from Jack
Either it is shipping this year or it is not
It would be good to know either way as it only seems like a 50/50 chance atm. David Stein is back on Monday, so hopefully he will have some updates with confirmation on delivery dates.
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It was always a commonly held position on the WOZ forums (and confirmed by the man himself from numerous public talks) that machines will be shipped out in the order that the initial deposits were put down, not by the machine's LE number.
First day back in January 2011 there were 100+ deposits so that will be the first hurdle for the JJ production plant to get over.
Has this now changed?
No , still stands
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Yes Jack spoke to David along with about a dozen other Aussies .
Lets see what info David has for us .
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Yes Jack spoke to David along with about a dozen other Aussies .
Lets see what info David has for us .
i would rather hear first hand from Jack
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Re who will recieve machines first, and in what order etc,
I cant see how they will do this from a production point of view, since machines are made in batches due to country code/power supply arrangements etc.
Isnt it more likely he will build a few hundred, minimum, for USA customers, then do a batch of 20 for Australia, 20 for another overseas market etc.
He cant build 4 for the USA, 1 for Australia, 1 for China, 3 for UK, then back to 12 for USA, then 4 for Japan and so on.
I think the first to purchase, first to get low serial numbers may have been true, but first to buy will most definately not be first to have their machine built and shipped. From a production point of view, that would be insanity etc.
Thoughts ? !@# !@#
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Re who will recieve machines first, and in what order etc,
I cant see how they will do this from a production point of view, since machines are made in batches due to country code/power supply arrangements etc.
Isnt it more likely he will build a few hundred, minimum, for USA customers, then do a batch of 20 for Australia, 20 for another overseas market etc.
He cant build 4 for the USA, 1 for Australia, 1 for China, 3 for UK, then back to 12 for USA, then 4 for Japan and so on.
I think the first to purchase, first to get low serial numbers may have been true, but first to buy will most definately not be first to have their machine built and shipped. From a production point of view, that would be insanity etc.
Thoughts ? !@# !@#
Unless all are made before any get shipped out
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CoT, I am sure that some games will go out not in order
But who am I behind, all the ops? All the distributors? All the US machines?
I would simply like Jack to tell us how much longer we will have to wait
If I lived in the states, I would have been able to go to one of the shows and had a game
I do not live in the states so I could not take advantage of his offer on invisiglass
I am not buying though Bumper, so I will not get an invite to their unveiling
The first time I will be able to play will be when it arrives at my house
It has been paid for now for 12 months, it would be nice to be talked to in a straight way
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interview between Pingame Journal and Jack
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CoT, I am sure that some games will go out not in order
But who am I behind, all the ops? All the distributors? All the US machines?
I would simply like Jack to tell us how much longer we will have to wait
If I lived in the states, I would have been able to go to one of the shows and had a game
I do not live in the states so I could not take advantage of his offer on invisiglass
I am not buying though Bumper, so I will not get an invite to their unveiling
The first time I will be able to play will be when it arrives at my house
It has been paid for now for 12 months, it would be nice to be talked to in a straight way
I recon if you have paid for it pete and it is over the deadline big time then it would be exceptable to get your refund if you are concerned with not getting you game at all. imo
but i do recon you will get it but i recon there will be another delay. just sort of feels that they are going way way over the deadline and its running on best case scenario rather than realistic. it might be at that point where people need to choose whether they are in it for the long haul or want to pull out.
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The first time I will be able to play will be when it arrives at my house
It has been paid for now for 12 months, it would be nice to be talked to in a straight way
Pete, keep the faith. I paid for BBB before it came, and glad I did. I'd never played it either of course, maybe woz will be every but the same level of classic.
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I recon if you have paid for it pete and it is over the deadline big time then it would be exceptable to get your refund if you are concerned with not getting you game at all. imo
but i do recon you will get it but i recon there will be another delay. just sort of feels that they are going way way over the deadline and its running on best case scenario rather than realistic. it might be at that point where people need to choose whether they are in it for the long haul or want to pull out.
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Jacks has a list of about 30 people wanting a WOZ LE and over the last week or so I believe he has another 30 genuine enquires for the LE , Distributors in the US are screaming for them so if it was me Pete I would hang tight mate , but if you can't I would be happy to take over your WOZ number.
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I think it looks great and going off peoples impressions at shows it plays real nice, building a physical pinball is one thing and then software integrating with a lcd is a whole new world that they probably under estimated (based on that interview) but unlike Stern, I am guessing Jack wants to get it right from the start and not have 6 months or a year pass before they give updates.
In the engineering world if you want something custom built you have to pay big portions before even seeing anything - so not uncommon to invest into a product. From hearing Jack's interviews I am sure he would not let the world down as he would be letting himself down.
It must be frustrating Pete to be paid up and no machine and I feel for you but I reckon hang in there and it will get here (when ??). I don't have a machine on order as not my theme but given the right theme I would invest - because without you and the other 999 his business would not get the support to get up and do what he is doing and building there first ever machine with many more to come.
Stuck in there.
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I recon if you have paid for it pete and it is over the deadline big time then it would be exceptable to get your refund if you are concerned with not getting you game at all. imo
but i do recon you will get it but i recon there will be another delay. just sort of feels that they are going way way over the deadline and its running on best case scenario rather than realistic. it might be at that point where people need to choose whether they are in it for the long haul or want to pull out.
Jacks has a list of about 30 people wanting a WOZ LE and over the last week or so I believe he has another 30 genuine enquires for the LE , Distributors in the US are screaming for them so if it was me Pete I would hang tight mate , but if you can't I would be happy to take over your WOZ number.
Why is it so wrong for me to ask when a game will be delivered?
Most buyers paid for their games a year ago
Jack has been showing off the game across the USA, he is running a business, he should be promoting his product
But I am a customer, I am only asking one question, I am treated with silence
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Why is it so wrong for me to ask when a game will be delivered?
Most buyers paid for their games a year ago
Jack has been showing off the game across the USA, he is running a business, he should be promoting his product
But I am a customer, I am only asking one question, I am treated with silence
Nothing wrong with that Pete. You've paid up, so it's reasonable to want to know when the goods are coming. Being ignored just makes it even more frustrating.
I think members are just saying it shouldn't be too much longer now, in the end will be worth it.
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I recon if you have paid for it pete and it is over the deadline big time then it would be exceptable to get your refund if you are concerned with not getting you game at all. imo
but i do recon you will get it but i recon there will be another delay. just sort of feels that they are going way way over the deadline and its running on best case scenario rather than realistic. it might be at that point where people need to choose whether they are in it for the long haul or want to pull out.
Jacks has a list of about 30 people wanting a WOZ LE and over the last week or so I believe he has another 30 genuine enquires for the LE , Distributors in the US are screaming for them so if it was me Pete I would hang tight mate , but if you can't I would be happy to take over your WOZ number.
Why is it so wrong for me to ask when a game will be delivered?
Most buyers paid for their games a year ago
Jack has been showing off the game across the USA, he is running a business, he should be promoting his product
But I am a customer, I am only asking one question, I am treated with silence
if he hasnt communicated with you a all or at least sent out a mass email explaining why then that isnt good.
the best way to send him a message is to pull out, however and remember if enough people do that his business will fail, he needs to be very carefull now. but an email as you say pete isnt that hard.
one thing that is scary some times with these sort of projects one investor gets scared rightly or wrongly, and pulls his money out then another then another, and the last few that have held on well they loose it.
you are after all an investor. just be carefull and if you hear people pulling out make sure you do the same imo.
I would say for the sympathy to the company i would suggest take the gamble and stay, however its easy for me to say that when i havent a few grand for a machine
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Pete have you dropped Jack an email ?
He responds to all his emails almost straight away , or if you want give him a ring first thing Tuesday morning and talk to the man himself .
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Jason, I do not want to pull out or to get a refund
I have faith that the game will be made
I would simply like to know if the machine is coming this year or sometime in 2013
and I would much rather be told by somebody from JJP, rather than be told by somebody third hand
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Pete have you dropped Jack an email ?
He responds to all his emails almost straight away , or if you want give him a ring first thing Tuesday morning and talk to the man himself .
Posted the question two days ago on the forum
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Pete have you dropped Jack an email ?
He responds to all his emails almost straight away , or if you want give him a ring first thing Tuesday morning and talk to the man himself .
This is the best advise. Hear it straight from the man himself. I think threes not long to wait now Pete - Hold on a bit longer !
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Pete have you dropped Jack an email ?
He responds to all his emails almost straight away , or if you want give him a ring first thing Tuesday morning and talk to the man himself .
Posted the question two days ago on the forum
Jack gets bombarded on his forum , do me a favour and give him a ring or drop him an email .
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a few points.
Jack cant tell people when the machines will be shipped for a few very easy reasons, he doesnt know.
He has a rough idea, but that idea is based upon feedback his team are giving him, and like any deadline where u want your product to stay absolute quality, you dont give dates to people just to keep them happy, you tell them that it will be ready when it will be ready, and apologise for the delay, which I am sure he has done etc.
This is where JJP should be admired. He hasnt rushed the project, he hasnt caved into pressure, he hasnt allowed his WOZ baby to be born less than perfect, and he wont let it out of the door until it is right, and I respect him for that. I call the WOZ pinball a baby, cause like a real baby, and a pregnant woman, the baby comes when the baby is ready, its as simple as that. People are frustrated because it has gone overtime, I was also frustrated, but like any great thing in life, you take 3 deep breaths and wait patiently, because absolute quality and the best craftmanship in any industry takes time. Every extra day u wait, is a extra day they are moulding this pinball machine closer to being one of, if not, the most advanced pinball machine ever made in the history of the game.
Its a waste of time emailing anyone, cause it will come when it comes. Pretend it will be another 6 months, and when it arrives in a few months, think you got it early. JJP are doing the best they can. Jack himself, I feel sorry for, because he has probably been harrassed from sun-up to sun-down, and this time he spends answering emails from impatient people, would be better spent managing the machine etc.
I know most people are frustrated, but shit happens. JJP has taken responsibility for that I am sure, but as consumers, we must be realistic, you either wait for delivery, or cash in and buy another product.
Even if u email Jack and get an answer, it can only say one of a few possibilities -
1. Its ready when its ready
2. We should be shipping late 2012 and early to mid 2013 at the latest.
What else can the man say in an answer ?.
It will be here soon, and it will be worth the wait, then u get to enjoy it forever.
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a few points.
Jack cant tell people when the machines will be shipped for a few very easy reasons, he doesnt know.
He has a rough idea, but that idea is based upon feedback his team are giving him, and like any deadline where u want your product to stay absolute quality, you dont give dates to people just to keep them happy, you tell them that it will be ready when it will be ready, and apologise for the delay, which I am sure he has done etc.
This is where JJP should be admired. He hasnt rushed the project, he hasnt caved into pressure, he hasnt allowed his WOZ baby to be born less than perfect, and he wont let it out of the door until it is right, and I respect him for that. I call the WOZ pinball a baby, cause like a real baby, and a pregnant woman, the baby comes when the baby is ready, its as simple as that. People are frustrated because it has gone overtime, I was also frustrated, but like any great thing in life, you take 3 deep breaths and wait patiently, because absolute quality and the best craftmanship in any industry takes time. Every extra day u wait, is a extra day they are moulding this pinball machine closer to being one of, if not, the most advanced pinball machine ever made in the history of the game.
Its a waste of time emailing anyone, cause it will come when it comes. Pretend it will be another 6 months, and when it arrives in a few months, think you got it early. JJP are doing the best they can. Jack himself, I feel sorry for, because he has probably been harrassed from sun-up to sun-down, and this time he spends answering emails from impatient people, would be better spent managing the machine etc.
I know most people are frustrated, but shit happens. JJP has taken responsibility for that I am sure, but as consumers, we must be realistic, you either wait for delivery, or cash in and buy another product.
Even if u email Jack and get an answer, it can only say one of a few possibilities -
1. Its ready when its ready
2. We should be shipping late 2012 and early to mid 2013 at the latest.
What else can the man say in an answer ?.
It will be here soon, and it will be worth the wait, then u get to enjoy it forever.
+1 - some wise words Cavey, well said
on the flip side I understand Pete's frustration along with others waiting, but the danger in getting a date could mean some other issues could delay the date a bit more next year. Hopefully once the first machine is out JJP learns alot and future production is more fine tuned and better timed.
Email him personally and expect the worst of the possible dates he gives to you and if you get it earlier than the worst case it's a bonus.
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Last 2 posts were excellent!
You have to read between the lines with all Jacks stuff.. same as anything else.
He is being blasted for missing the deadline.. if i were him id be VERY reluctant to give another unless it is absolute concrete.
Jack has had all new tooling done and now has signature parts... my guess is that he didnt really intend to do this and it has been born out of necessity which would give significant delays.
It would have been far easier to buy a large batch of WILLIAMS or STERN coils etc and make a pinball using them... maybe these people either wouldnt or couldnt fulfill Jacks request?
In saying this though... its all done now and everything can be done " in house".
My old man always told me that if i have to rely on others then expect to be let down time and time again.
Delays like this would be for the first game only... i expect Jacks silverball to be running at a cracking pace after this
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I know most people are frustrated, but shit happens. JJP has taken responsibility for that I am sure, but as consumers, we must be realistic, you either wait for delivery, or cash in and buy another product.
Even if u email Jack and get an answer, it can only say one of a few possibilities -
1. Its ready when its ready
2. We should be shipping late 2012 and early to mid 2013 at the latest.
What else can the man say in an answer ?.
It will be here soon, and it will be worth the wait, then u get to enjoy it forever.
yes, if it does not ship for another 6 months, I will not be happy, but I can still live with that
I find it annoying that they seem to have the attitude 'Keep the customer in the dark'
I have sent an e-mail, now I will have to wait 2 days for a reply
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These comments are NOT directed at anyone here on AP, but a generalisation about every waiting/enthusiastic person so to speak in the pinball industry.lol @.@
I think the pinball community is one of the hardest customer communitys in the world to keep happy. Firstly, when it comes to pinball machines, everyone has their version or opinion as to what is or isnt the worlds most perfect pinball machine. People nit-pik the smallest of features, then want or dont want everything and anything in a pinball machine, and then have very specific ideas about marketing, or non marketing, delivery times, how a machine is produced or not produced, who designs it or doesnt design it, gee we are a hard batch of people to keep happy i can tell you. *%*
I wonder sometimes if the pinball companies think the pinball community are nutters, or just full of passion, and/or are hard task masters, or just a batch of whinging bastards who can never be made to be kept happy. I am sure pinball enthususiasts are certainly not deemed to be timid, quiet or laidback with their customer feedback or ideas. Just thinking about the correspondence these poor bastards at Stern or JJP get makes me want to take 5 valium.lol ((( (((
I think sometimes its both comical, sad and human nature that grown men, probably in their dozens, if not hundreds, have written to JJP and have demanded, if not at least have pushed extremely very hard to know when exactly the machine is coming. !@# I see a picture in my head of people all sitting around a huge kitchen table, with knife n fork in hand, aiming up in the air like guns ready for action, like they are waiting hungry for their dinner to arive from the JJP kitchen, but the thing to remember, is that JJP are serving up a pinball machine, made of wood and wires, not a food product, but everyone wants the machine yesterday, like its their last meal, like they are starving, and its the only meal, which means life or death if u dont get that WOZ sustanence on time. lol Everyone forgets, incl me sometimes, its only a pinball machine, a luxury item, something that isnt going to make or break a life, if its here today or not. ^&^ But when we want our new pinball machines, we want them NOW. Its our new big toy. Men like their toys. ^^^
We are a tough crowd to please. If only I could draw a picture and add it to the computer, you would see the cartoon in my head, of people desperate for the WOZ feed. Jack's dressed as a waiter, with his finger pointed to his watch, with the production staff all dressed as chefs and kitchen staff all running around the huge pinball kitchen putting out fires.lol %.% %.% %.% Then, the meal arrives, phewww, its all over, or is it.
Now its time to tell the chef if the meal is or isnt up to scratch. Jack serving the main meal, and shipping out the product isnt the end, its just the start for the poor bastard, he hasnt been critiqued yet on the meal, his nightmare has only just begun.lol @@^ @@^
Something tells me he will be ringing Gary Stern, and asking how the hell have you been doing this for all these years and you havent gone completely crazy. Gary replies, you should see the medication I take daily just to go into the factory, just to be able to deal with the nutty pinball community. :D
Jack, get ready for alot of grey hair mate. Its coming, if it hasnt already started to overtake and dominate your hair colour. %.% %.% %.% %.%
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CoT, imagine if I came to you and asked for a new security system, and you told me that the new and improved ‘Fry and Die’ was coming soon, just pay up front and wait
One dead line passes, then another, then another
Would you contact your customers, advise them of the delay?
Maybe keep them informed of the current level of progress?
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Maybe keep them informed of the current level of progress?
That's the least they should be doing. Very poor if that's the case. Take the customers money and leave them guessing.
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In my opinion - and I am a pre-orderer from the very first day - this is one of the downsides to having so many people paid up in full. It entirely removes the dire necessity of having a product out at a certain time, or face certain financial ruin.
You see, Jack wants to create a perfect product... the ultimate pinball... and his team is attempting to do so, no matter what major issues are thrown in their path - and there have been plenty.
However, it's because they're financially secure that they can afford to take their time and let the months slip by. I'm not saying I would rather have a rushed product - I do want this done right. But as a perfectionist myself, I know that perfection is an unobtainable goal that you can spend an inordinate amount of time striving to reach. But on the other hand, people up against a hard time and money crunch can be rather innovative in finding solutions while still managing to maintain quality.
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Last 2 posts were excellent!
You have to read between the lines with all Jacks stuff.. same as anything else.
He is being blasted for missing the deadline.. if i were him id be VERY reluctant to give another unless it is absolute concrete.
Jack has had all new tooling done and now has signature parts... my guess is that he didnt really intend to do this and it has been born out of necessity which would give significant delays.
It would have been far easier to buy a large batch of WILLIAMS or STERN coils etc and make a pinball using them... maybe these people either wouldnt or couldnt fulfill Jacks request?
In saying this though... its all done now and everything can be done " in house".
My old man always told me that if i have to rely on others then expect to be let down time and time again.
Delays like this would be for the first game only... i expect Jacks silverball to be running at a cracking pace after this
Totally agree IMHO ^^^
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CoT, imagine if I came to you and asked for a new security system, and you told me that the new and improved ‘Fry and Die’ was coming soon, just pay up front and wait
One dead line passes, then another, then another
Would you contact your customers, advise them of the delay?
Maybe keep them informed of the current level of progress?
YES, definately, all cstomers shld be kept up to date at all times. I dont go to market in my industry til we have a tried n true tested product in hand.
Things are different here in Pinball land, but customer focus and education at all stages sets u apart from any and everyone. Being professional in a professional Industry requires it !
Because I pulled out, and because I didnt bother keeping in the loop with any of the WOZ forum stuff, or any of the JJP announcements, I have only kept up to date with the progress by visiting this thread.
I had assumed you guys (current WOZ paid customers) were geting REGULAR updates from JJP as to what was happening etc etc.
Even if it was a email once every 8 weeks that said we are progressing well, but running behind it would be enough for me.
What have the JJP customers been getting, and how often ? Havent u guys been getting regular JJP updates ? !@# !@#
P.S - the green start button on the WOZ machine is fine for home use only market, although it looks cheap.
It SHOULD be recessed into the cabinet, and not surface mounted, because kids (*destructive little bastards) will smash that off in 5 minutes in commercial environments, or even pissed adults who lose their ball/game too quick can kick it off. It should be recessed for vandalism purposes. Pinball 101 I would have thought ? !@# Anyone else notice that ?? !@# !@#
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Ant has been reposting all emailed updates within a few hours of Jack sending then
Sinks reposts anything posted on Pin side
I believe the front of the cabinet is not what it will be when production starts
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I have noticed a few WOZ product changes ??? !@#
There are NO green metal hand protectors on the machine anymore, and ALL pictures of all cabinets at the JJP factory have no recessed area for the start button. It looks like the start button will stay the same, surface mounted ? Cabinet hand protectors are gone ???
Recent machine display at Pinball Expo shows these items mentioned.
Obviously, JJP would be also adding the card swipe hardware to the cabinets at some stage, AND there is NO tournament button like on STERN machines.
Anyone else notice any changes/additions/removals ?? !@# !@#
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the standard looks smart with the LE even better........
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The cabinets have a thick coating of clear hence the brilliant shine , it's pretty much bullet proof .I'm 99% sure it will not have any protectors because you will not need them .
I'll be slapping some thin Mylar on mine anyway , it will stop the Munchkins leaving grim around that area .
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Hey Ant, the standard cabinet appears to have less colour is it a black and white image with the toned down yellow brick road and little bits of colour - just seems different.
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It's should be the same cabinet ,it's the trims and topper ( eye candie) that are different and a few other bits and pieces that make the LE .
He could easily assemble a WOZ in between a batch of ECLEWOZ or vice versa .
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I only just noticed, Jack and his daughter were standing in the background during that interview watching the guy play etc.
Have a look at the last 10 - 20 seconds of the video to see Jack standing there wearing jeans with a A4 piece of paper in his hand next to his daughter.
Did anyone else notice Jack was watching ?
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ANT put this video up before, but its the BEST video I have seen to date.
The graphics on the games LCD of Dorothy getting captured are amazing. You get to see the flying monkey capture the ball, and a door open on the spinning house ? which I havent seen before, plus alot of other stuff if u watch very closely.
Also, watch from the 7.30 min mark, this thing has been designed like a Pin2000 with all boards in a lock box inside the bottom cabinet, with the software LCD service screen just like Pin2000. This game looks VERY expensive to build, very very expensive and hard because there is no room at all. Amazing quality. Who would have thought all boards were in the bottom of the main cabinet ? !@# !@#
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The official answer is no answer
An email today gives no indication of a date
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Is it No , you will not see it by Xmas ?
I copied this from JJP forum .Its a bit of a read but interesting .
I can add a few things I didn't know before hand.
Keith answered my question about software progress - essentially the
software mix is 2/3 foundation and 1/3 game specific.
In other words, the operation system, I/O interface for the board set, the
diagnostics and switch communcation etc. that will be the foundation of JJP
o/s 1.0 (my label, not KEF) and reusable for game 2,3 etc.
so 2/3 is game rules, light shows, animations, etc. specific to OZ,
including choreography of music and video to go with game play modes, etc.
I would guess Keith is maybe
I'd say after playing the game, that the foundation is about complete, so
say 70% of the code for Woz is foundation and about done.
As Keith posted earlier, the game specific stuff will come quicker with
each passing month. Its further along than it was at PPE, and I'm sure the
IAAPA deadline of having games ready for the biggest distributor show of
the year is only 3-4 weeks from now. Essentially that is a deadline where
KEF is pushing to get many more features than a multiball mode and a few
animations, up to a lot of the score and animations and maybe even some
more modes by then. At the chat, KEF said the ruleset was put on paper
about March of 2012. So he has had the gameplay plan design fairly solid.
From what I'm seeing when playing, I'm guessing about 1/3 of the game
specific stuff is done. I.e. a third of the remaining third of the code,
so its about 80% complete.
But this last 20% is where Keith really works his magic ala simpsons and
LOTR depth of modes, multiballs etc. Again the 20% estimate is my number,
but putting together some of the fireside chat answers, and talking to KEF,
I'd say that's a good guess.
The physical game is complete, per Jack during the fireside chat. OTher
than a few spotlight features, its all one there.
The crystal ball - an 8 yr old asked the question - so just just smilled
for about 20 seconds and knew he had to answer the kid. SO..... it will be
a great light show of some kind. That's all you'll get guys until you open
the box. He did say the team is doing something incredible and said they
can make it work.... I'm guessing we aren't talking about color changing
palantir.
I did see the connectors while the head was being raised as games were set
up. Essentially its power and connector for LCD, and power and connector
for lights - done. You can remove 6 bolts for the hinges and move the game
separately of head v. body. Its a heavy game too - you can shake it, but
don't pull a muscle!! Its solid. Jeff, the super secret cabinet guy, was
introduced at the fireside. He and his wife were at the show. He is a
super craftsman, and between charlie on printing and Jeff on cabinetry and
clearcoat - its amazing piece of furniture for the pinball game - I mean
stunning. Both in the artwork beauty and feel of the finish for sure, but
its a solid piece of cabinet work.
Joe Granner had a lot to say about the scoring. He has spent a lot of time
on orchestration and it very happy with the results. The abilities of the
hardware are leaps ahead of anything. The sound is clean turned at top
volume, and he and KEF have tested. It will bounce the floor if you want
it too. The voices are very good. Dorothy sayings like the forest is dark
and creepy, and only being armed with this basket, do hit that 1/10th of a
second (as Joe said in the chat) where you give it the benefit of the doubt
that it could be the real voice - and that's all it takes. The tin man and
witch are especially spot on.
NO JOURNEY IS THE REWARD speech was ever heard. Glinda now says follow the
yellow brick road, and its quite good. The Wizard is also excellent. The
lion doesn't come up very often, but his lines are pretty good - you won't
be distracted that it doesn't sound exactly like Bert Lahr. The score is
awesome, and we are only hearing a small percentage of the total available
for KEF to work with. We may have seen and heard maybe 3-5% of the
material in the video we've seen so far.
Animations - unreal. Just dorothy being captured and when she faces you
jumping over the log in slo-mo, its awesome. The witch flying a black
smoke trail spelling GAME OVER is wonderful. There will be some really
cool back-story of how they got the witch animations done - watch the movie
and you'll notice there are no real full face shots of Margaret Hamilton -
profiles and brief offscreen shots made it tough to do loops - not like the
iconic dance move of the tin man or scarecrow, or the lion doing their
thing - those loops work well in the upper right main split screen you see
most of the gameplay time.
Body armor is gorgeous. The games were set up next to each other at a
slight outward angle. I got a pic of the both sides of the cabinet in one
shot - I'll try to post as its kind of cool to see the two side cabinet art
panels in the same view.
One more fireside chat note was that both games 2 and 3 artwork has already
started. The titles are decided, but not the order of whether the license
or unlicensed theme will come first. From Jack's answers during the chat,
its clear we won't hear a title until after game 1 ships - but I'm hoping
we are seeing games in December, and with 1/1/2013 being the two year
anniversary of JJP.......???
Gameplay and crowd reaction post is in the Expo thread. I spent all 3 days
at expo, and a lot of time watching people's reactions and seeing both the
number and mix of people it attracted. I asked a few here and there what
they thought, and players, novices, girls, kids, families - all loved it.
And to the post about operators getting line-jumping, not what I heard Jack
say. I heard that LE and standards will be built on the same line, and
Jack wants to get them in the wild, but also that the order date is the
priority queue positioning, with consideration to shipping to
concentrations within a geographic area if it makes sense - nothing that
Jack hasn't said before, and its the same story, not a waffling.
I would guess (and its a total guess, not Jack's answer in the chat) that
some operators will put the LE version in the wild. The "operators first"
was taken out of context a bit.
The tech guys are going to hold seminars for operators around the country
on servicing and operating the game. The manual will be like none you've
ever seen - they guy writing it is a long time pinall owner and service
tech who knows what he didn't like about the hard to read circuit board and
connector clues, to the inability to easily identify replacement parts,
etc. that the manual will be a collective knowledge and improvement of what
you have always wanted when reading those gottlieb or bally/williams
manuals of the 70's 80's or 90's. Plus the LCD is a lot of real estate to
help you dignose and help visualize servicing the game. On screen
tutorials for showing what leads to use on the multimeter and where to put
the black and red leads and meter settings... anyone? - so instead of fine
print trying to find TP1 TP2 TP3 etc on the board schematic, how about just
show it on the screen? I think that would be cool, and I'm sure the team
has lots of those types of surprises for us.
The most obvious observation from hearing from the guys was the passion and
the pride they had in the development and end result. Every detail. No
worries from me, and happy to be in at the beginning.
Dan Garrett
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I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"
No date
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I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"
No date
When they are ready ship,who will be the first to get one if they use the time table of when you paid your deposit.
Paid mine on 7.1.2011 and on 10.5.2011.Just curious as it will be about two years before it arrives. !!! But at least it coming *%*
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I don't know how to copy/paste on the mobile, but " we are working as fast as we can, game is full of new and innovative stuff, it will be awesome"
No date
When they are ready ship,who will be the first to get one if they use the time table of when you paid your deposit.
Paid mine on 7.1.2011 and on 10.5.2011.Just curious as it will be about two years before it arrives. !!! But at least it coming *%*
I signed on 4 days after Ant made the announcement
My invioce number puts me in the first 100
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!@# Did u notice how the email says basically that machines will ship according to geographical location considerations etc ?
That basically means, that JJP will be building games in country code batches ofcourse, just like Stern does. There is no other way to build them other than this way using common sense, unless he has 2 or 3 production lines running at the same time, which to my knowledge, there is only 1 production line being built. Obviously, the country who has the most orders (USA) will get done first (or a large part thereof) then the next largest country and so on, or at least enough made per country to make it worthwhile to start n stop the production line this way using the different power supply arrangements etc..
It doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things the way I see it, cause it means the USA customers will get the first series of machines, and by the time they have fixed all the hassles, made some production and hardware changes etc, Australian owners will be getting machines with all the hassles ironed out of them. This is good news, not bad news the way I se it. Aussie WOZ buyers will then be able to pick up a machine fully knowing it wasnt one of the first batches, which will give most of us less sleepless nights not having to worry about hassles like Stern had on the first AC/DC LE models with the bell optos etc, which later customers didnt have to go thru.
WOZ is on the home stretch now anyway.
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I signed on 4 days after Ant made the announcement
My invioce number puts me in the first 100
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Same here,my first invoice number is 87.Will be hopefully shipping both direct from Jack to Perth when their ready.
After Christmas will suit me. #@#
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I'm looking forward to playing this one, can't wait to see what they'll do with the LCD in future! I know it's one of those things that people don't like over the traditional translite but I think it will add an element to the gameplay that is going to be GREAT.
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The lowest JJP-direct invoice number posted was 1956 or something. So they didn't start at 2000.
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Are there supposed to be 1000 or 1200 LE Woz's. ? I cant remember.
I wonder if JJP will release "real" production numbers sold of the WOZ machine, or will they not let the market really know how many they have really sold and keep it a secret like Stern does ?
The std model, without the emerald green side rails, lockdown bar n legs looks plain, I think the first thing Non LE buyers will be doing is painting the metal a similar emerald green to the LE. The topper should be easy to purchase since its made by a third party. That means u can make your own LE very easily except for the LE certificate etc.
QUESTION - Does anyone know what Bumper were offering the LE model for, and what the std model is being offered at $$ ? !@# !@# !@#
At Bumper, Emerald City was showing as $8,590 with Std model showing no purchase pricing ?
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Is there no PF difference between the pro and LE? That's weird if thats so.
Peter
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No, playing wise, you should not be able to tell the diffeence, except for the shaker motor
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No, playing wise, you should not be able to tell the diffeence, except for the shaker motor
Ok cool thanks
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Play fields are the same .
Its the eye candy that is different , as mentioned the shaker and topper ( think)
Bretts on the money with his suggestions .
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Closeup in HD:(also shows the bootup sequence)
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lots of WoZ's *%*
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/wozesinarow.jpg)
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Closeup in HD:(also shows the bootup sequence)
How's the shine on the PF wow.
Peter
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Whoa.... got to see inside the box!
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as much as i hate this theme, that pinball has allot of stuff going on, certainly makes a new stern look lame. ^^^
theres a few more useless toys than id like but there is some interesting features as as some of that mystery i recon stern games are lacking.
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Whoa.... got to see inside the box!
Nice to see a properly painted and detailed inner cabinet on a new pinball machine as well (rather than black paint under/overspray).
It is the little things like that, that all add up.......
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Agreed.. attention to detail and the finishing of the little things are very important.
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Whoa.... got to see inside the box!
Nice to see a properly painted and detailed inner cabinet on a new pinball machine as well (rather than black paint under/overspray).
It is the little things like that, that all add up.......
agreed
yer its not much effort really for the big reward.
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The size of that LCD is terrible. It's not a pinball, it's not a video game. It's some kind of mix between the two. Good luck to them, but i hope Stern
doesn't go down the same path and bring out a display that size.
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The size of that LCD is terrible. It's not a pinball, it's not a video game. It's some kind of mix between the two. Good luck to them, but i hope Stern
doesn't go down the same path and bring out a display that size.
I sort of agree ill have to see it in person.
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U miss all the movement action from the dot matrix which never stops moving.
I reckon the best of the best would be to have both in a ideal world. But unrealistic cost wise.
Someone did say women over 55 years old at casinos was the target market for woz, maybe the big LCD screen is for them.....lol. It will look a lot better in person I think, especially if there is a lot more movement during gameplay. Something tells me jjp game two will have various changes ?
....dying to see the whole machine in person....aren't we all.lol
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Those with Facebook should look up Ministry of Pinball, heaps of factory photos to drool over
About 40 machines in some manner of assembly
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Those with Facebook should look up Ministry of Pinball, heaps of factory photos to drool over
About 40 machines in some manner of assembly
Very nice!!!
Can't recall if anyone has mentioned this before but has anyone noticed the saying under the LCD has changed from 'there's no place like home' to 'Follow the yellow brick road'?
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The game was at Expo and I had the pleasure of looking at it very closely and playing a buch of games. The finish quality is outstanding and this game is absolutely loaded. Think Twilight zone this is going to be very deep rules wise.
Servicability is awesome Jack being an operator there has been a lot of attention to detail paid here.
Theme ?
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Those with Facebook should look up Ministry of Pinball, heaps of factory photos to drool over
About 40 machines in some manner of assembly
wow that page has a tonne of pictures, from right up close plastics shots and playfield realy in detail, and other pinball projects as well. great page
http://www.facebook.com/MinistryofPinball
and keeps you upto date on where the machine is atm
going by this picture, Stern can no longer call them the self the only pinball manufacturer any more, thats allot of pinball
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** there were several things that JJP said at Expo which were both expected and unpleasant to hear...
.....thats pinball.....
1.
they will ONLY have apx 1 x dozen games built by mid November, because they have only got 80 percent of the basic code finished, and WONT be building games until the code is fully finished.
WHY THE HUGE DELAY STILL YOU ASK ?..... This is because the main computer board has been built into the bottom of the WOZ cabinet, which i see is a big big mistake, because with Stern, u can build a thousand games to completion, without code, and the 2nd last step before testing n boxing a game is to upload code via a USB stick to the computer board, or even add the boards if u had to, which is how u overcome having to WAIT N WAIT N WAIT for finished code before u can even build a game. This is why Stern builds boards into the headbox and hasnt got the code before production process, ass about face....also, servicing in that confined WOZ cabinet, both for production and after production, looks like a complete nightmare, even reaching in with a USB stick means glass off, playfield up, cabinet metal box open and lid removed, etc etc etc. Stern is a 5 minute job with translite removal only ! @.@
2.
game manual wont be ready n wont be shipped with WOZ game, because it wont be ready ! only avail on the LCD, which you will have to play with to work out how the menus work, without the user manual. @.@
3.
game wont be shipped with final code, will have to uploaded later (like some Sterns). Dissapointing but expected even though its been 2 years.
JJP thinking USB stick, avail over internet. no big deal, but it confirms what i thought would happen code wise. It wont ship with finished code although that was the initial plan/promise. It would be nice if someone oneday shipped a game with almost finished code versus several updates which are painful n time consuming, plus it gets rid of your highscores and u have to keep relearning the game n new rules etc. An industry problem I guess.BUT worse with the WOZ hardware n glass removal plus plus plus...
4.
JJP is wanting to see in November how this game performs coinwise on location to see what earnings could be expected for operators ? but wont these figures be unrealistic given local WOZ fans who have ordered a game, or have waited 2 years to see n play one will drive to it once the location is made public, and bump the figures right up versus it being sited at a real test location unknown to hardcore fans and just for joe public to play n test etc ?? Who will play a WOZ onsite realistically, given most people who watched the movie when younger are all now 65 yrs old, or older ??
..on looks alone, will normal Joe Public walk up to it with money or just walk by....my money is walk past, but JJP thinks the exact opposite..how, I am not sure they believe that, but they are confident it will do well onsite, where Stern believes it will definately will not do well onsite...time will tell.
5.
JJP still hiring at the pinball manufacturing plant...... early to mid december before production really starts, then u have Xmas break, and all the teething problems on the production lines, plus shipping times in the new year etc.
THIS GAME IS STILL A MINIMUM OF 4 months to 6 months away, realistically.....
Jersey Jack must cringe everytime someone asks when the game is going to ship...and will it be this year to the mass market of home users, which he must know inside with all the stuff written above aint going to happen. I think it would be best if they just came out n said 2013 realistically so people know now, before Xmas comes n goes n people get their hopes up n then sigh with an expected dissapointment.
JJP are doing their best. What can u do, except use hindsight for the next few good JJP games.... ^^^
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6.the USA does not stop for Xmas like we do, they may close for a week , but then it is back to work
at least now he can blame the storm ;)
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7. do we all get more impatient as we grow older.lol
8. probably.lol %.%
Storm, what storm. #@#
I would be more worried about who or who doesnt win the USA Presidency.
Who will be better for Pinball and business in general, Obama and the Democrats...or Romney and the Republicans..... !@# I think its going to be a bleak 4 yrs of business regardless with little consumer confidence til the JuLiar Gillard Government is thrown out of OZ.... *)* only our American friends can give us some USA insight but I predict a bleak outlook financially in the USA no matter who gets in...just like here...everyone is holding onto their spare coin for shaky times ahead..business everywhere is down alot...along as Stern stay open, I will be happy.lol
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I hope they (JJP) are on high ground, that Sandy is ripping through Jersey and New York raising waters etc. The last thing JJP wants / needs is factory flooding.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/sandy?replies=203
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Those Americans are a crazy bunch.
Anyway, happy Halloween.
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So no delivery by Xmas now ? What a surprise that is *.*. Not good pratice to take customers money, but continue to change the delivery date.
Why don't they stop the B/S and come out with an honest expected delivery date.
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So no delivery by Xmas now ? What a surprise that is *.*. Not good pratice to take customers money, but continue to change the delivery date.
Why don't they stop the B/S and come out with an honest expected delivery date.
Kinda similar to what I expressed a few posts back about good business practice.
I agree 100 million %
What JJP would be better off doing is make a statement and just say it as it is - now.
If I am buying something and the seller puts a date in my head then as a consumer ( like ALL OF US ) I 'expect it' on or around that date........once that date passes and a few weeks go by and I hear nothing - then I start to get really aggravated........NOT good business practice.
On the flipside, I have purchased drums in the past that when I ordered I was told up front that I had to wait 8 months to get, even though the wait was going to bother me , I accepted it and waited it out - 8 months later I had the tom I had ordered - no problem. I am currently looking at a vehicle that has a 12-14 month waiting time on it........the company has told us this well and truly up front , again no problems , I now have a choice to make but at least my ‘expectations’ are not being over-exaggerated by the seller.
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Jack's ok , they are all well .
The power is still out .
No flooding.
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Jack's ok , they are all well .
The power is still out .
No flooding.
Good to hear!
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Boards being in the cabinet rather than the head is not a mistake it is fantastic.
Unclip two clips and a cable lift the board set out and straight to your workbench. Fantastic maintain ability.
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Jack's ok , they are all well .
The power is still out .
No flooding.
glad to hear it, Sandy has caused some incredible damage.
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Boards being in the cabinet rather than the head is not a mistake it is fantastic.
Unclip two clips and a cable lift the board set out and straight to your workbench. Fantastic maintain ability.
yes, BUT, you cant work on the boards when they are out of the machine and not connected to the harness or powered up for fault testing, plus the fact JJP cant build machines until the software is complete because boards are in base of cabinet versus headbox, and as stated beore, just doing a software update will mean lockbar off, glass off, playfield up, lockbox undone, then u have to reach into a confined dark space to try n plug the USB in, and try n look at the LCD screen which will be covered by the lifted playfield while u try n do the software updates...
This seems to be ALOT more negatives/drawbacks than positives compared to computer boards in the backbox like Stern....
What benefits do u get from the boards being in the base of the cabinet ?? and, I noticed they have 2 x computer cooling fans cause the boards are enclosed in a hotbox with little or no cooling features. We all know what happened to Pinball2000 when the cheap $20 cooling fans failed after time. Why not design out the need for cooling fans like Stern has done by placing boards into the headbox for easy access and greater cooling without the need for cooling fans.
If someone can give me a few valid reasons for placing the boards in the base of the cabinet, I would like to hear those ideas caise I havent been able to come up with any.
JJP could have built a thousand machines by now, and added boards/software to the headbox if boards were located here, but board location to base of cabinet alone have caused production to not even start. I cant see honestly how in hindsight this wasnt a big mistake. !@#
But I am open minded if anyone can raise some relative benefits of boards in bases of pinball cabinets......
p.s - glad to hear the JJP factory is safe n sound.
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http://www.lakewoodlocal.com/2012/10/30/photos-sandy-hits-lakewood/
This is the link to the website I found about the Lakewood area of New Jersey (where Jersey Jack Pinball is located).
It says the following:
While other areas were harder hit from Hurricane Sandy Lakewood did see its share of damage, mostly downed trees. About 75% of Lakewood is lost power and JCP&L tells us they don’t have a timetable on when power will be restored. Just under 21,000 of 28,000 customers are without power in Lakewood. Crews from as far away as West Virginia staged in the Blueclaws parking lot to begin repairing downed lines as soon as the storm ended.
85% of JCP&L’s customers in New Jersey lost power.
The areas in Lakewood that still have power are the developments on Route 9 south of the Kimball hospital, the Pine St and MLK area, some pockets in the Forest ave area, and some areas in Raintree.
Kosher Village, Super Stop, Circa and the Cedarbridge Marketplace, Rimon Steakhouse, Kosher Taco and Four Corners are all open for business.
Then I went onto the Jersey City Power & Light’s (JCP&L) website and found this:
Estimated Restoration Times
Estimated restoration times are now available for parts of our service territory.
Additional restoration estimates will be provided as soon as they are available.
New Jersey
• As of Wednesday evening, power has been restored to approximately 20 percent of affected customers.
• The majority of customers will be restored within the next seven days.
• Customers in the hardest-hit areas are expected to be restored in an additional seven days.
• Remaining customers will be restored once damaged roads, infrastructure and homes are rebuilt. Downed trees and branches have made many roads impassable, and flooding has been a major issue in the aftermath of this storm.
The good news is Jersey Jack Pinball is not under water (amazingly seeing as they are only a 15 minute car ride from one of the worst hit areas in NJ – Mantoloking). The other good news is that if they lost power in the storm there is a pretty good chance that it will be back on by now or will be within the next 7 days. They were pretty lucky considering the news footage. Will be a huge clean up. Terrible situation for those in affected areas.
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If you want a great big display screen in the headbox then the boards go elsewhere. The head basically has nothing except the screen in it and an interconnect cable. I love what they have done, this is a commercial machine and from an operators perspective the way this is done is fantastic. You need to see it in person be allowed to pull it apart then you may form an alternate opinion. No dispute lock bar off and glass off is needed.
One thing to think about is when you are working on the game Williams Ball stern any thing. You will have the glass off most of the time. If the playfield is up uou can not see the display, you can not access the baords. WOZ you can have the glass off get to the boards see the display and work on everything with awesome access. Of course if and when you tilt the playfield up your access reduces but you can access the boards and still see main parts you need of the screen for work.
There are many many reasons for the game being delayed the main one being that Jack refuses to short cut anything, he wants it done right and this is a ground up build. Jack has also only just received first runs of production board sets.
You can take the playfield and computer out in literally two minutes awesome access.
Playfield is on slides like pinball 2000
Everyone has an opinion I love the quality and attention to detail. I was at expo I palyed the game I was in the seminar i talked to Jack a lot. whatching video and listening to audio is very limited compared to being there.
I for one love what is being done here however still am not a great fan of the theme
I guess next year when there are a ton of games out there we will have just as many opinions good bad and indifferent.
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I think that boards in the lower cabinet is a great idea. EM's have had most of the hardware in the lower cabinet since the 30's. It is nothing new. Using history as a guide, if a location has a line up of games next to each other and you need to access the boards in the head, then you need a trolley or you can drag the machine forward to access the head. If the boards are in the lower cabinet (like an EM), then you lift the playfield and away you go.
Regardless, while games are on location, boards are rarely repaired. They are swapped over with a working board. No-one does board repairs on-site. Swap them over and return to base for repairs (unless the operator is unprofessional and likes to hack the boards while in the game).
If the standard for JJP is to access the boards via the lower cabinet, then I assume that doing a software update etc would be as simple as opening a coin door, and sticking in your USB.
P2K and the issues with the fan - I can't see that as being relevant because Pinballs were only designed to last 5-10 years MAXIMUM. I wonder if anyone still owns their Computer they bought 10 years ago ?
As I've stated before, I am not a buyer due to the theme, but I think that with JJP taking time to make sure everything is 100% instills confidence for buyers. Ironic that Stern rushed out AC/DC in anticipation of WOZ, and there were many problems. I don't see JJP having these problems. Should also be VERY interesting to see if the next Stern title has the same pricing as AC/DC - or will that be another "rush job" to hurt potential WOZ customers ?
I love the competition !
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WOZ will be updateable via network/WiFi/Internet, so there is no reason to have to physically access the board - especially not the actual manufacturer. And even if you don't have a network where you are and must rely on USB... then why not run a $0.99 USB extension cable from the back of the motherboard right up to the coin box?
Blew your brain right there! ;-)
Reasons I can think of for computer box in cabinet:
1) (The Biggie) Not enough room in backbox with LCD also in there (it's fairly deep).
2) No need to run mass quantities of cables up through the connection between cabinet/backbox, allowing for easy backbox removal.
3) Allows for very easy disconnection of playfield from electronics and vice versa.
4) Permits shorter wires (money savings).
5) Keeps center of gravity lower in machine (no extra heavy backbox).
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Whats the big deal about taking glass off and lifting the PF, no different to taking the backglass out and swinging the lighboard out *!@
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An obvious error in my post I said remove computer I meant remove board set which is mounted in a case
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A few points,
1. Yes, an extension USB cable will be the answer if JJP dont have a production cable or port already designed into the coindoor area which Beaky and I were wondering about the other day when I was talking to him about his opinion re the boards being in the base of the cabinet versus a headbox.
He like me, thought headbox was better for access etc.
2. It will only have Wi-Fi access to download data n game updates IF JJP has a inbuilt modem/dialler ,or a GSM (mobile) sim modem will be required. This will not happen. The costs are way too much and the problems assosciated are too many. There is no evidence or previous JJP media about any modem being included to date at all, so it will have to be a USB stick/cable unless they decide to add something not previously discussed which i bet will not happen.
3. The cooling fans are worthy of discussion and relevant because getting rid of them or redesigning them out is important to consider, because unlike a home computer, a WOZ machine is going to cost people close to $9,000.00 (9 grand plus) and unlike a $1500 home computer, people will expect it to last 10 yrs plus (like every other pinball out there has done/lasted since the 70's, 80's or 90's which fill most peoples collections...people expect 10 yrs minimum. If a fan fails, will it be Pin2000 all over gain with board excessive heat n replacement required...if it needs 2 x fans, things must be getting hot, why not redesign it with better self cooling....
4. The X Men title wasnt rushed out the door to my knowledge, and the price has gone back to the normal $6200 price, excl delivery/excl shaker motor. The $5950 AC/DC price was Australia only and because of seafreight savings on a whole container. AC/DC was never discounted in the USA when released, and was the same as any other Pro model pricing before it, as I know it...
5. I like what JJP are doing too, but I think the boards in the base was a mistake. If JJP are only just recieving the first small batch of game boards now in November, 2 yrs after start, they are alot more behind than i previously thought...hope the design is right, cause its not like they have 3 or 4 months to test them 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week before they go into machines.....everything is either going to take another 6 months, without rushing, or everything will have to be rushed which may have consequences because people are already very restless waiting..either way, I hope they hit no major design snags, and they find out early, rather than later... I hope everything runs smoothly.
I am still positive about JJP and WOZ, but just had a different opinion about the board location design/placement etc. Hopefully in 6 months I will be proven not to have any real concerns. Bring on the release/full blown production. Wanting to see these machines out in the wild asap.
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why would it need in inbuilt dialer or need sim card? if it works on wifi,it would work like a pc's wifi which connects to your wifi router,a mobile phones these days can act as a internet wifi network and access to the net for it even. you could drag it to maccas to do your update if you are the only person in Aus not to have a wifi router or a smart phone.
having it wifi is brillant idea, it probably even allows for world wide scoring if thats the case just like a xbox game. i said this before about stern, why dont they have a server settup with their pinballs connected to it via wifi so you can compete against the world
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because mobile phones have simcards to access wi-fi, the modem will need to have a sim to grab the wi-fi. they wont be putting simcards in pinball modems....wont the cost of a laptop type modem be well over the top $$ wise...
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because mobile phones have simcards to access wi-fi, the modem will need to have a sim to grab the wi-fi. they wont be putting simcards in pinball modems....wont the cost of a laptop type modem be well over the top $$ wise...
does your pc have a simcard to connect to the internet?? mine doesnt, it connects to a wifi network from my router.
my ipod is wifi driven again no sim card, connects to my wifi network. pinball machine that is run by a computer isnt going to have any trouble connecting via wifi when my blue ray player does it daily for its auto updates.
My blueray player isnt magic or have a simcard it has wifi connection and it connects to my wifi network and does updates, same as my tv when it finds new firm where from samsung.
this is a great idea from JJP as stated most house hold electronics now do wifi updates. all it needs is access to a wifi network and who doesnt have one of them these days?
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(you changed your 2 x prev posts after i answered so my prev posts may not make sense now) no big deal...lol
remember, your router is directly plugged into a phone socket...which gives u dial tone, then u wi-fi anywhere in the house to the router which is connected...or if u have no phone line onsite, u have to have a gsm simcard to access internet without a phone line.
The only way JJP can do a wifi update, is if they incl a expensive inbuilt modem/router like the one people have in laptops like u mentioned, or if a gsm dialler is added (which is just not cost effective and simcards are a pain in the ass for fifty reasons incl connection/monthly plans or pre-paid etc).
JJP will have to have a wi-fi modem in the WOZ machine just like a laptop has, or same type as hidden in a norm computer case etc. They might surprise us and incl it, but i thought the costs would be too high, and nothing has been mentioned to date....you mentioned the blu ray player doing updates etc, its plugged into a expensive Samsung TV which has the router incl (I have same TVs here).. so cheap devices dont have the router inbuilt, only expensive $1,000 laptops or TVs etc.. i wonder what the cost to incl the wifi to a Woz will work out to be...
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(you changed your 2 x prev posts after i answered so my prev posts may not make sense now) no big deal...lol
But, but remember, your router is directly plugged into a phone socket...which gives u dial tone, then u wi-fi anywhere in the house to the router which is connected...or if u have no phone line onsite, u have to have a gsm simcard to access internet without a phone line.
The only way JJP can do a wifi update, is if they incl a expensive inbuilt mode/router like the one people have in laptops like u mentioned, or if a gsm dialler is added (which is just not cost effective any simcards are a pain in the ass for fifty reasons incl connection/monthly plans or pre-paid etc).
JJP will have to have a wi-fi modem in the WOZ machine just like a laptop has, or same type as hidden in a norm computer case etc. They might surprise us and incl it, but i thought the costs would be too high, and nothing has been mentioned to date....
Ok on the very rare occasion a work site doesnt have wifi, then use your phone as the wifi hotspot.
if you look at your phone cav, there is a feature that makes your phone a portable hotspot. that will allow anything to connect to it to use 3g or 4g internet. will allow my pc to use the net off my phone with out wires. same could be done for a pinball. no big deal or tricks you can even buy 3g wifi routers. you dont need to put a sim in a pinball machine if it has wifi, you just need a phone or a router around it with internet access.
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Um, WiFi is not in any way related to 3G/4G/GSM.
WiFi is 802.11a/b/g/n. If the only way to connect to the internet in a particular place is over the cell data network, then the modem/dialer will be hooked up to the router so that all devices can share the connection, not WOZ. Heck, most phones can become their own hotspots now.
WiFi is everywhere. Hotels, coffee shops, restaurants, public buildings, book stores, arcades, convention centers, my bedroom right now as I type this. Jack only needs to add WiFi and ideally a wired ethernet connector in WOZ and his end of the job will be done. The rest is up to you.
Regarding fans, Jack has said so far the fan count is currently at "maximum" and they plan on figuring out which ones they can take out before shipping. I'm not a fan of fans either, but even if the boards were in the backbox, there WOULD have to be fans (Stern's low-end CPU board doesn't produce any significant amount of heat compare to a computer capable of 4+ streams of HD video plus overlays plus controlling the actual game).
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Um, WiFi is not in any way related to 3G/4G/GSM.
WiFi is 802.11a/b/g/n. If the only way to connect to the internet in a particular place is over the cell data network, then the modem/dialer will be hooked up to the router so that all devices can share the connection, not WOZ. Heck, most phones can become their own hotspots now.
WiFi is everywhere. Hotels, coffee shops, restaurants, public buildings, book stores, arcades, convention centers, my bedroom right now as I type this. Jack only needs to add WiFi and ideally a wired ethernet connector in WOZ and his end of the job will be done. The rest is up to you.
Regarding fans, Jack has said so far the fan count is currently at "maximum" and they plan on figuring out which ones they can take out before shipping. I'm not a fan of fans either, but even if the boards were in the backbox, there WOULD have to be fans (Stern's low-end CPU board doesn't produce any significant amount of heat compare to a computer capable of 4+ streams of HD video plus overlays plus controlling the actual game).
correct on everything u said.
the prev posts got mudled up cause a few were changed after posting answers and it gets/got confusing.lol
yes, if they spend the money on the wi-fi hardware, then the wifi updates will be excellent.
I will add, I did forget that JJP is using a computer style arrangement versus what Stern has been successfully been using because WOZ has the graphics requirements for the LCD etc and needs alot more processing power, hence the fans are required etc etc. Overall, it seems to be fully loaded thats for sure..hope gameplay is good enough to have all this stuff built around it.......
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also one other note, you can go down to Joyce mayne and by a wifi usb stick for $20 cav, so its not an expense really and having the thing connect to a network, database or game server is the best idea you could do, think about versing your mate in america in a pinball game over the internet and not some fantasy game actuall pinball??? better than playstation right there.
this is how stupid stern are, how didnt they think of that??
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I have wondered ever since pin2000 was built, why pinball machines never had basic phone tone diallers (like plugging in a phone to a wall) included.
Then, when another 10 yrs went past, and wifi was invented, why that wasnt added to a pinball. Then, even drink machines located at train stations have basic gsm mobile diallers in them that only cost a few hundred bucks, even if u had a machine located in a cabin in a forrest, it could still be network capable and stand alone. I thought it would have been required when Stern started talking/producing tournament signage/buttons/etc.
10 yrs behind the times still....
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about 12 months ago i said on one of these post,
pinball needs to be networked, and if they want to succeed in todays age it needs to be networked, how awesome would it be to organise a night here and have a pinball comp from our lounge?
thats why consoles are so good, and if you can beat a game then you have the second option of trying to beat the other player, so not just limited to the depth of the game, so the game can be better if its social and networked up. why wouldnt have stern thought of that? its not even tricky todo.
seriously why couldnt player two score display on your machine actually have your mates score on it from the other side of the world?? with a network and some programing plus a simple server, bingo
This is how out of touch stern are and how un innovative they are. imo
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Stern is working on a better system now - obviously because of competition - but their last SAM system was uninspired, meant merely to take everything they had, and duplicate it using more modern technology (since the old parts were getting difficult to source). The only actual benefits SAM really has over Whitestar is USB updating and slightly increased storage (but still pitifully low compared to what it should have been at the time). And the only changes visible to players are slightly clearer audio (still rather poor due to storage space issues), and a few more monochrome shades (16, but I think Keith said only 10 were actually usable).
Heck... if you sat an X-Men next to a 1995 Frankenstein and asked a layman to pick out which one was technically more advanced, they'd probably go with the 17 year old model because it had stereo sound and a bigger DMD!
Now with WOZ... it's going to be painfully obvious it's more advanced than anything else out in the field.
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Stern is working on a better system now - obviously because of competition - but their last SAM system was uninspired, meant merely to take everything they had, and duplicate it using more modern technology (since the old parts were getting difficult to source). The only actual benefits SAM really has over Whitestar is USB updating and slightly increased storage (but still pitifully low compared to what it should have been at the time). And the only changes visible to players are slightly clearer audio (still rather poor due to storage space issues), and a few more monochrome shades (16, but I think Keith said only 10 were actually usable).
Heck... if you sat an X-Men next to a 1995 Frankenstein and asked a layman to pick out which one was technically more advanced, they'd probably go with the 17 year old model because it had stereo sound and a bigger DMD!
Now with WOZ... it's going to be painfully obvious it's more advanced than anything else out in the field.
what i dont understand is why pinballs only play one way these days? like why isnt there more than one game that is allowed? other than easy and hard and so on, why cant they have a few choices of games? you have your regular rules that suit the theme for regular game play.
Then have other smaller games like skill tester style? or small battle games, eg who can hit that spinner the quickest and your mate has to beat that time,
especially if they are made for home markets now, another example- there are three drop targets in your game, and on your dmd or lcd is a set of orders that come up you must knock down those targets on order with timer before you loose that game, like a practice mode on a Xbox game.
you arent worried about draining balls or bound by regular rules, you just have to aim for targets or ramps or do certain things outside regular pinball rules to help hone skills for regular play,
if its wifi you even go up against your mate or what not fro mthe other side of the world, stern have not been thinking out side of the box and are thinking like pinball 20 years ago limited by tech, however they arent limited by tech, they are limited by imagination.
pinball must be networked imo, so you can battle off with people in real time and have their score on your machine, so you can get angry and plot your revenge when its your ball, and make it feel like they are playing beside you, when actual fact they are on the other side of the world.
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The WiFi is genius... the kids here play things like " call of Duty" with another dweeb in USA, UK etc.. doesnt matter, its whos connected at the time.
To be able to have a tournament at any time with anyone else that is in front of a pinball is master stroke, although a darker theme would suit this much better... but we all know that already.
CPU in the cabinet.. love it, no more large bundles of cables extending from the cabinet to the head. Main beauty i can see with this is that the head can come off to move the machine around. I cant stand the fold down head on DMD's.. makes the games very cumbersome to move around and also super heavy. ( i have 5 steps to move a machine up and down... DMD's are just not practical).
Why didnt Stern do anything like this? Well.. when you have no competition and punters are happy that ANY pinball is being made... why would you? R&D costs money... Stern dont like R&D.
Competition is a wonderful thing and weak theme or not, rattling Sterns cage can only benefit all of us
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3. The cooling fans are worthy of discussion and relevant because getting rid of them or redesigning them out is important to consider, because unlike a home computer, a WOZ machine is going to cost people close to $9,000.00 (9 grand plus) and unlike a $1500 home computer, people will expect it to last 10 yrs plus (like every other pinball out there has done/lasted since the 70's, 80's or 90's which fill most peoples collections...people expect 10 yrs minimum. If a fan fails, will it be Pin2000 all over gain with board excessive heat n replacement required...if it needs 2 x fans, things must be getting hot, why not redesign it with better self cooling....
Most pinballs since the 70's etc has lasted until now, but that does not change the fact that they were designed to last 5 - 10 years. Irrespective if they lasted 11 - 100 years = does not change anything. The only argument would exist if they lasted 1 - 10 years and failed (See WMS SYS 4 and GTB SYS 1). BTW - There are computers which cost a lot more than $9000, and they use the same fans as a $500 computer. In my former occupation I was setting up SANS with Servers that cost $60,000+. The fans in those servers were made at the same factories in China as clone PCs costing $500. What JJP should be looking at is a bank of smaller fans that are CPU controlled based on temperature, and have redundancy built in. So instead of one big fan designed to last 5 years, they could install smaller, modular, redundant fans (exactly as the servers I was talking about). When a fan fails, an error is reported, and the failed fan can be hot swapped over in 5 minutes. You can even configure a couple of fans to be "hot swap", so that if one fan fails, the hot swap kicks in. Exactly the same as RAID disks.
I'd be really surprised if this has not been thought of and implemented already.
Heat rises - So in an air conditioned home environment, it makes perfect sense to mount the PC hardware in the lower cabinet. Given the noise these fans could potentially make, they would be drowned out by the speaker system. Looking at the LCD on the game, there would be a lot of heat generated in the backbox, and limited space.
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Have a read of pinball news's latest news
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index34.html
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wow, look at that news link above, look at the detail of the construction. what was the price of this game and compared to acdc?? look at what you get for you money, that looks pretty good, ok i might buy the next title if its not a lame title like this, this company looks like they know how to make a clever pinball.
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everything looks great. wow, great building.
I have said before, that I would wait for my WOZ machine until they get close to the end of the few thousand machines being built and not the first batch (series) of games because there is likely to be soooo many updates and changes to the machines hardware and production of the first series.
After reading that article, and they too are talking about so many updates and changes, I am glad I will be waiting til much later cause I think I will be getting a much more advanced machine with various factory mods which will make it even better again. The first series will be fine, but I reckon the later series WOZ machines will be even better again.
massive amount of work to do there to set the storage racks up for all the parts etc, and redesign things as they go. JJP shld be proud, he has done things first class. It looks like a mercedes dealership inside it is sooo clean .
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everything looks great. wow, great building.
I have said before, that I would wait for my WOZ machine until they get close to the end of the few thousand machines being built and not the first batch (series) of games because there is likely to be soooo many updates and changes to the machines hardware and production of the first series.
After reading that article, and they too are talking about so many updates and changes, I am glad I will be waiting til much later cause I think I will be getting a much more advanced machine with various factory mods which will make it even better again. The first series will be fine, but I reckon the later series WOZ machines will be even better again.
massive amount of work to do there to set the storage racks up for all the parts etc, and redesign things as they go. JJP shld be proud, he has done things first class. It looks like a mercedes dealership inside it is sooo clean .
agreed
im actually starting to wonder how he is going to make any money, this looks like the work of a perfectionist. already talking about new tech is crazy but cool. i think buyers might be getting more for their buck than what was first thought.
I am so bummed on this theme, its such a waste of what is an awesome machine but at the same time, looking at this work if JJp come sout with a really cool title i may buy my first NIB pinball, as i recon with that tech and innovation in a cool theme, you might see the best pinball made in decades,
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Boy that is a well thought out factory and he is doing it right right from the beginning. I am positive once he gets past all the 1st time experiences he will fine turn his design, production and delivery process and he will stand out in so many ways compared to everyone else.
#*# good on you Jack
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I have to admit - that looks rock solid and really well made so far.
Yes I HATE the theme, but stand corrected on my thoughts of this taking FOREVER to happen, I can see now that these should start rolling out soon.
I will still hate the theme :lol
The sound system looks like it will have killer potential - for those sounds I also dislike :lol :lol
I can see how any owners would be pretty excited seeing this latest report ^^^
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A question no one has asked,
WILL JJP's next few titles also be widebody machines..... !@# WILL Stern build a widebody to match/compete.... !@#
ANT, thats ya next question to Jack if you havent asked it already... ^^^
Re the theme, sometimes the theme makes the machine, and in this case, the machine is making the theme because the layout is so good with all the shots n playfields etc.
I would like to see Wotto play the game, and just in case the machine is so good, it would be great to see someone who dislikes the theme so much get converted...its looking pretty special as each n every week passes.
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A question no one has asked,
WILL JJP's next few titles also be widebody machines..... !@# WILL Stern build a widebody to match/compete.... !@#
ANT, thats ya next question to Jack if you havent asked it already... ^^^
Re the theme, sometimes the theme makes the machine, and in this case, the machine is making the theme because the layout is so good with all the shots n playfields etc.
I would like to see Wotto play the game, and just in case the machine is so good, it would be great to see someone who dislikes the theme so much get converted...its looking pretty special as each n every week passes.
I wouldnt think it would mean stern would have to do a widebody machine. if anything i would say a wide body would be less marketable in this day and age. ?
as for the theme, it could be like world cup soccer 94, i hate soccer with a passion but the game is fantastic, but at the same time whilest i bought the game on its gameplay i did sell it eventually because of its theme. to buy a game with a better theme and gameplay.
I think stern would have to get into the part where machines can be networked and you can vs people on the other side of the world.
and start making use of all this sort of technology so they arent left behind.
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That is simply outstanding ! The quality of the machine is definitely raising the bar. I guess we can now fully appreciate the hard work that goes into building a pinball machine. The design, the innovation - like a breath of fresh air !
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That is simply outstanding ! The quality of the machine is definitely raising the bar. I guess we can now fully appreciate the hard work that goes into building a pinball machine. The design, the innovation - like a breath of fresh air !
agree totally. I like the fact that JJP have stayed away from having a Pro, a Premium and 2 x LE models.
I dont like the fact you have to pay almost $2500 more in Australia to buy a loaded/semi loaded LE machine from Stern...
$2500 more, compared to a Pro, for a different backglass, some painted metal, and a few extra playfield features is a rip off in my books..Its worse cause the Stern prices in Australia are even higher again than in the USA with no real reason to support this...I hope Stern starts making the Pro with even more features, and ups the bar even alot higher on the LE models. If JJp can cause this to happen, well done to JJP for existing....
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That is simply outstanding ! The quality of the machine is definitely raising the bar. I guess we can now fully appreciate the hard work that goes into building a pinball machine. The design, the innovation - like a breath of fresh air !
agree totally. I like the fact that JJP have stayed away from having a Pro, a Premium and 2 x LE models.
I dont like the fact you have to pay almost $2500 more in Australia to buy a loaded/semi loaded LE machine from Stern...
$2500 more, compared to a Pro, for a different backglass, some painted metal, and a few extra playfield features is a rip off in my books..Its worse cause the Stern prices in Australia are even higher again than in the USA with no real reason to support this...I hope Stern starts making the Pro with even more features, and ups the bar even alot higher on the LE models. If JJp can cause this to happen, well done to JJP for existing....
I'm looking at the photos and I see where all the money is going. Development and innovation. I never liked the Stern model of three different models. Maybe JJP will force Stern's hand to have only a high end model for every game ? That's where I see this going. That might be "just in time" for Stern to "return serve" with their own innovation with the KISS pinball ?
I didn't have much of an interest in WOZ UNTIL I saw the pictures on PinballNews of the inside of the lower cabinet. That's some SERIOUS quality and innovation.
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WOW.. what a set up! That is very very cool.
And nothing wobbles when you touch it?..Oh come on.. isnt that acceptible anymore? %.% %.% %.% *)*
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Pretty fancy stuff , thats for sure .
As I said in the pass , its all about quality .
JJP and Stern are in a different market .
Talking with Jack this morning he'll have games rolling out next week after Keith does a IAAPA software update and a hardware part is in place .
Games will be shipped across the country .
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great news ANT(Tony).
I was dreaming all last night ((( and woke up at 3am with WOZ pictures floating thru my head cause the PinballNews site was the last thing I was looking at before going to bed.lol %.% I also hope JJP keeps its prices low and this also makes Stern think about dropping the prices of the inflated LE models. Until JJP brings out a title/theme that Stern gets really worried about, it may not happen for a while... I wish another 12 months would fly past alot quicker just to see what the pinball Industry is doing.....
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Ha ha Cavey....a good mate of mine has a WOZ on order, so i will play it.
I will ensure i get a pic and post here for u %.%
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great news ANT(Tony).
I was dreaming all last night ((( and woke up at 3am with WOZ pictures floating thru my head cause the PinballNews site was the last thing I was looking at before going to bed.lol %.% I also hope JJP keeps its prices low and this also makes Stern think about dropping the prices of the inflated LE models. Until JJP brings out a title/theme that Stern gets really worried about, it may not happen for a while... I wish another 12 months would fly past alot quicker just to see what the pinball Industry is doing.....
cavey just ring JJP up and see if they wil squeeze you in with an order, time to change the avatar i think.
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Ha ha Cavey....a good mate of mine has a WOZ on order, so i will play it.
I will ensure i get a pic and post here for u %.%
Wotto, I am going to email your wife n tell her to buy u a WOZ for ya birthday, tell her to crank the audio right up, and last but not least, get her to add a extra large custom topper to it as well,lol therefore, you get a triple wammy of woz, audio and toppers, your three favourite things,lol
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Oliviajason, I cant change my avatar til X Men arrives and is unboxed just before Xmas, Avengers will be the next Avatar choice me thinks. I had a WOZ avatar for a while but got frustrated due to delays uon delays, but perfection takes time and JJP have built a winner for sure, well worth the wait after seeing those latest factory photos etc..
I did have a WOZ on order but cancelled, but I will buy one after the majority of the first entoire batch/production run has been down the line, and will pick up a very later model. I will make sure, that where ever I buy one from, I will tell them I want a current/latest produced machine, not one they have had sitting around for 6 or 12 months...
I will probably buy the WOZ from the USA, when I am over there next year and also pick up some NIB Sterns as well i reckon to save some money...if the Aussie prices for the LE models dont come down... Hopefully i can also do a JJP factory tour after I do a Stern factory tour...I will have to use one of my security spy video cameras hidden in my glasses or something similar to get past security if the pinball factories dont allow cameras etc inside,lol %.%
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From Jack Private Forum RE the IAAAPA
We will have 8 games in booth #837
We will do an update on Monday or Tuesday early AM from our booth -
the show opens on Tuesday 11/13 and runs until Friday 11/16.
We have a lot of appointments with International distributors and a
lot of US commercial distributors as well.
The update will include details on what we are doing with the Crystal
Ball and whatever we announce it will be on this group first.
The 8 games from IAAPA are already accounted for as they will ship to
certain distributors with another 8 or so going out after Thanksgiving
including at least a couple of games on location the week of 11/19/12.
We expect to ship a few "customer" games by the middle of December as
well.
Those that have not paid, in full or recently, do so as what I use to
say at PinballSales.com is still true "First to Pay = First to Play"
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Interesting that distributors come first
The comment that "some" customers will get their games mid December sound a little smararsey
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? some is apx half a dozen machines total by the sounds of it..... maybe 1 x demo model per country for example....that would make sense, send say Bumper Action x 1 LE WOZ Emerald City machine to show the interested pinball masses etc...it would help n get people interested who may order one or at least help people who have been waiting so they could see n touch the real deal before they get theirs sent out....
wouldnt be a bad idea me thinks...could have a calming effect.lol
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Highlighted is " PAY FIRST PLAY FIRST".
Theres your delivery order right there
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Highlighted is " PAY FIRST PLAY FIRST".
Theres your delivery order right there
Yes. JJP has said that since day one both publicly and privately.
It would leave a sour taste if that were to change this late in the game.
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From Jack Private Forum RE the IAAAPA
We will have 8 games in booth #837
We will do an update on Monday or Tuesday early AM from our booth -
the show opens on Tuesday 11/13 and runs until Friday 11/16.
We have a lot of appointments with International distributors and a
lot of US commercial distributors as well.
The update will include details on what we are doing with the Crystal
Ball and whatever we announce it will be on this group first.
The 8 games from IAAPA are already accounted for as they will ship to
certain distributors with another 8 or so going out after Thanksgiving
including at least a couple of games on location the week of 11/19/12.
We expect to ship a few "customer" games by the middle of December as
well.
Those that have not paid, in full or recently, do so as what I use to
say at PinballSales.com is still true "First to Pay = First to Play"
And I'm guessing that quote applies to the general public and distributors
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Highlighted is " PAY FIRST PLAY FIRST".
Theres your delivery order right there
Delivery order perhaps. I wonder when a genuine delivery date will be announced :tumble:
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The crystal ball is operational....
In actual game play the Crystal Ball will show custom video animation
rendered specifically for the size screen and appropriate reward rule
and reward.
So in effect, our game does not have one monitor but two!
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The crystal ball is operational....
In actual game play the Crystal Ball will show custom video animation
rendered specifically for the size screen and appropriate reward rule
and reward.
So in effect, our game does not have one monitor but two!
now that is cool.
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Highlighted is " PAY FIRST PLAY FIRST".
Theres your delivery order right there
Yes. JJP has said that since day one both publicly and privately.
It would leave a sour taste if that were to change this late in the game.
Respectfully, I will bet my balls this will not happen..we have all been over this before. From a production point of view, it will not happen. Machines will be made in country batches, not who ordered first etc...its all good to say it, but production limitations will not allow it....
example, the first 300 orders came from say a dozen different countries...even if he did it in country batches, he wont do 5 Aust, 6 German, 9 USA, 7 Taiwan etc etc etc...Producing n sending out each n every machine in the exact order that people ordered and paid in, is a complete fallacy...u wait n see. Its just a pipe dream..I cant honestly believe people are that gullable to believe this will happen...how possibly could it....its just a sales ploy which worked well to get people to order early and reserve the machine number they wanted, but delivery will not be the same. Now its a ploy to get the stragglers to fully pay up...
I am open to how anyone at JJP will throw all common sense out the wiondow on a production line with its limitations and possibly do this..its so unrealistic, its just plain silly...Time will prove it, and how are people even going to check/monitor or even know if they got their machine say at build number 500, when they were say the 60th person to order ? cause build numbers have been assigned all over the shop, and the production/birth date on the back of the headbox is hand written, which can be bodged in 5 seconds...why do people believe unrealistic and unachievable or even uncheckable promises....wow....I thought everyone would have joined the dots on this one, it is so obvious...
Happy to be proven wrong....
P.S - crystal ball looks good, but very small, will those 70 yr old white females at casinos Roger Sharpe said was the demographic for WOZ machines at casinos going to be able to see those images with thick coca cola lenses/glasses on but ? lol
seriously, looks good, but a bit small..cant pass judgement til we all see it in the flesh...and YES, that WAS a INNOVATION !
Give the man a cigar ! $#$
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November 13, 2012
Dear Jersey Jack Pinball Fans,
Today is a day that we have worked towards for a very long time.
At 10 AM Eastern Time today in the Orange County Convention Center here in Orlando Florida, the IAAPA show opens - (www.iaapa.org)
We have a six hundred square foot booth with eight of our Emerald City Limited Edition Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines sitting on top of our custom Yellow Brick Road carpet in Booth #837.
We are also showing for the first time what our Crystal Ball does. Here's a video:
The Crystal Ball - Jersey Jack Pinball
*Be sure to set video quality to 1080 HD*
In actual game play the Crystal Ball will show custom video animation rendered specifically for the size screen and appropriate reward rule and reward.
So in effect, our game does not have one monitor but two!
We will update pictures on our Jersey Jack Pinball Facebook page all through this week from the show floor in our booth. Expect some other news and announcements to follow.
Thanks to all of you for your support!
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Here is the link, pretty impressive
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Highlighted is " PAY FIRST PLAY FIRST".
Theres your delivery order right there
Yes. JJP has said that since day one both publicly and privately.
It would leave a sour taste if that were to change this late in the game.
Respectfully, I will bet my balls this will not happen..we have all been over this before. From a production point of view, it will not happen. Machines will be made in country batches, not who ordered first etc...its all good to say it, but production limitations will not allow it....
example, the first 300 orders came from say a dozen different countries...even if he did it in country batches, he wont do 5 Aust, 6 German, 9 USA, 7 Taiwan etc etc etc...Producing n sending out each n every machine in the exact order that people ordered and paid in, is a complete fallacy...u wait n see. Its just a pipe dream..I cant honestly believe people are that gullable to believe this will happen...how possibly could it....its just a sales ploy which worked well to get people to order early and reserve the machine number they wanted, but delivery will not be the same. Now its a ploy to get the stragglers to fully pay up...
I am open to how anyone at JJP will throw all common sense out the wiondow on a production line with its limitations and possibly do this..its so unrealistic, its just plain silly...Time will prove it, and how are people even going to check/monitor or even know if they got their machine say at build number 500, when they were say the 60th person to order ? cause build numbers have been assigned all over the shop, and the production/birth date on the back of the headbox is hand written, which can be bodged in 5 seconds...why do people believe unrealistic and unachievable or even uncheckable promises....wow....I thought everyone would have joined the dots on this one, it is so obvious...
Happy to be proven wrong....
P.S - crystal ball looks good, but very small, will those 70 yr old white females at casinos Roger Sharpe said was the demographic for WOZ machines at casinos going to be able to see those images with thick coca cola lenses/glasses on but ? lol
seriously, looks good, but a bit small..cant pass judgement til we all see it in the flesh...and YES, that WAS a INNOVATION !
Give the man a cigar ! $#$
Not sure Brett, it's a pretty bouquet set up . Jack is not running the 50/60 hz set up as Stern is and I think all pin's will meet ROHS.
So maybe Jack has got it down pat to a very simply system ?
Like pass a Australian Flex and plug please ^^^
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From a distributor point of view its very straight forward... this one paid first.. heres your 50 or so machines. Then you paid up so heres your 75 machines etc etc.
Overseas sales sitting in containers at the docks will be considered as contract fulfilled. They may take a month to get to the destination and meantime a US distributor with less travel may well take reciept of his games beforehand. But as far as machines out the door on first pay first play basis i see it as a very simple excercise
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but the machines were not paid for that way...individuals paid directly to JJP.... and its the individuals who are expecting games to be delivered in first to order, first to get a machine apparently...so that scenairio wont work Gav...
also, even if u look at say a whole dealers orders, he might have ordered a machine in the first week, then not a machine for 3 months, so even that whole scenairio wont happen either, cause the whole promise seems flawed....
Personally, since I canned my WOZ order until a later production date, it doesnt worry me at all, but if I was one of the people sitting, sweating on delivery, who ordered say in the first week, who expects to be served in order...I would be asking JJP how they are going to fulfil this promise from a production point of view specificaly, wanting decent details not just a generalised restated promise..cause I simply dont believe it, or see how it is realistic from a production angle... but realistically, I wouldnt even bother asking since I know its just crazy to expect them to do that....
well done to JJP for promising it, but lets see a common sense answer from JJP as to why they would even try to send out machines in specific orders etc/or even how they will realistically do this on a production line which would be absolutely inefficient....
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Jack just posted that WOZ won the Brass Ring Award at IAAPA for the Best New Product!
Nice work Jack
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Cave, I can see the point you are trying g to make
I would expect the first batch to go to people who Jack has been dealing with for years, thereby getting feedback
Next will be 50 to the american buyers, then start sending a container overseas, more USA games
I dare say most international games would go to either England Germany and Australia
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Not everyone paid direct to Jack.. many went through distributors.
Those that did deal direct with Jack would know wether its air freight or sea i would imagine. If you chose air then its easily shipped in appropriate order, if sea was your choice then it would make sense to have containers deal with this.
Mind you, a distributor would have say 30 games or more coming and so these would all go in one container with room to spare and could be here in 4 weeks or so. If individual sea freight then it can still be sent as a single item and would go in a general cargo shipment, this does however take longer.
Theres absolutely no reason why this cant be done Cavey
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I am always open to learn new things, and I am the first to recant if i get something wrong, but how can he literally fulfil orders on a individual basis matching the first to order, first to recieve basis, from a production point of view...then there are the logistics of shipping seperately etc etc etc...
He will just build games in batches for each country, say 50 for each country, will send them off to the respective JJP distributors, then he will leave it up to them to decide who gets one first or later etc...so in the spoirit of things in a general basis, he can stop n start shorter production runs by couintry code etc, but individual orders running down the production line for people who ordered in exactly the first to last order is totally inefficient n practical...
will it be smarter to do say 100 USA games, then 50 Aussie, the 50 UK, then 30 for Dubai, and so on to at least get the machines out there and to have some dealers n some people happier, than JJP just doing 600 USA machines first, then the next biggest country order next etc, YES it will be smarter for JJP to do that....that puts the delivery order into perspective alot better i think than every single machine (regardless of country) gets made as per a 1200 machine order list and they have to stick to it hard n fast...its just not practical, profitable, and not something u would weish upon any production line manager.lol
Who cares who gets one first, 100th or 400th etc, as long as they come and they are quality, whicjh i am sure they most definately will be.
Anyway, enough from me on the WOZ shipping expectations..Its in the hands of the JJP man himself now...
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Jack just posted that WOZ won the Brass Ring Award at IAAPA for the Best New Product!
Nice work Jack
Well congrats To jjp for that, I have to say only a few weeks ago I bagged out on this game because of a stupid theme but when the last lot of pictures and info was released I changed my tune and optimism about it, still hate the theme but everything else seems fantastic, go on jjp with this top effort
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Hi Guys , I asked Jack to please comment on rumours that have come to surface about Bumper .What is the truth here ?
Hi Tony, here is what's true.
Bumper has made payments to us and they made another substantial payment to us today.
Rob Farrell is here and he is a great guy. We are shipping him one of the games from IAAPA at the end of the show.
He is visiting us next week in NJ and we expect to be able to pack a small container of games by the end of January.
If we have a few games ready for him in late December we will ship them too.
You can put this anywhere you like word for word Mate!
Best Regards,
Jack Guarnieri
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Whilst I can appreciate being kept up to date on all things FACTUAL about WOZ, I am not sure whether rumours are deserving of attention on a site of this high quality. ()
Perhaps there are other forums online which are administrated or "super" moderated to a much lower standard and where rumours, potentially defamatory material (and ultimately closed threads) are a regular occurrence and where rumours like this would actually thrive? :tumble:
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I've made a note on my calendar - Friday 7th Dec $#$
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You guys who have paid deposits,must be going nuts
The wait for AC/DC was bad,but nothing like this
I am sure it will be worth it ,in the end ^^^
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most aussie buyers have paid the full 100 percent of monies.
there is no risk involved, the machines will arrive sooner or later, and in all their glory....
its not like u couldnt find Jack easily,lol, you would just have to follow the yellow brick road (boom boom)
.....and look for a bloke with a massive amount of new grey hair.....if he hasnt pulled it all out by now %.%
(a bad attempt at comedy as usual is coming on the next line >>)
.....whats the next JJP title ? (The Hobbit...or something non commercial)....or since WOZ was made for the oldies with walkers, how about a Justin Bieber machine for the other end of the age spectrum.lol *)*
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or since WOZ was made for the oldies with walkers
i think JJP have got lucky here lol
. still a shit theme however, but WOZ is just a little more relevant in 2013, only a little.
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I still like the theme enough to buy one later on when production is perfected.
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JJP already has a WOZ based "coin pusher" machine out on location for some years now through his other company Elaut - yes a payout styled machine.
Williams gaming has released a series of WOZ slots (Wicked Witch, Dorothy, Emerald City, a couple of other titles) that are making big money in US casinos (another potential location where the WOZ pins could be sited as redemption style but payout drinks/food discount voucher stubs.)
I really don't get the whole "70 year old granny" thing. The original movie has been played on TV just about every year since I have been on this planet and has been remastered to get another run recently in the BCC/Greater Union nationwide cinema chain.
Everything old is eventually new again. ^^^
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Ive said it before.. WOZ is enormous in USA. Most of the sales will be domestic and the theme is as American as apple pie.. they love this movie.
Doesnt matter if some of us think the theme is lame... how many coming here in pre sales? 60..70? Thats 60 - 70 people who want this game enough to stump up the $$'s.
Sales of this game will mushroom and with Disney making a new movie? Well it couldnt get better could it.
Like the theme or not, its neither here nor there.. game will be a run away success.
Personally, i cant wait to play one
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Direct info from IAAPA, the machines that Jack has set up at the show are going to distributors. Yes, one is headed to Bumper after the show. They are still not 100% ready for the end customer mainly due to the software not being completed. The distributors who are slotted to get them will have them for their showrooms so that they can be on display. Once the software is finished the display machines can get updated simple enough and will then be ready for the end customers. Don't know if they plan to ship any out to the end customers before the software is completed, IMHO I think they will ship to customers just so they will have the machine with the understanding that the software will be updated when finished.
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Jack told me January of 2011 about WOZ pinball, and he also told me about the movie back then .Not sure exactly but maybe when he inquired about buying the licence they gave him a list of recent licenses that have be granted !@#.
Anyway it's work out well for Jack ,could be a just lucky timing but better to get it out before the release then a few months later ( 9 months for Avengers) as Stern does
When I talk to him on weekend I'll ask him .
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Whilst I can appreciate being kept up to date on all things FACTUAL about WOZ, I am not sure whether rumours are deserving of attention on a site of this high quality. ()
Perhaps there are other forums online which are administrated or "super" moderated to a much lower standard and where rumours, potentially defamatory material (and ultimately closed threads) are a regular occurrence and where rumours like this would actually thrive? :tumble:
I understand an agree 100% with your comments .
I thought about editing Jacks quote but as he writes You can put this anywhere you like word for word Mate! so I thought I'd keep it 100% as it was meant to be .
Members and Mods on AP respect each other in an unique way, the mate-ship and Camaraderie speaks for itself ^^^
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Whilst I can appreciate being kept up to date on all things FACTUAL about WOZ, I am not sure whether rumours are deserving of attention on a site of this high quality. ()
Perhaps there are other forums online which are administrated or "super" moderated to a much lower standard and where rumours, potentially defamatory material (and ultimately closed threads) are a regular occurrence and where rumours like this would actually thrive? :tumble:
I understand an agree 100% with your comments .
I thought about editing Jacks quote but as he writes You can put this anywhere you like word for word Mate! so I thought I'd keep it 100% as it was meant to be .
Members and Mods on AP respect each other in an unique way, the mate-ship and Camaraderie speaks for itself ^^^
Below used car salesman but above politician ;)
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Whilst I can appreciate being kept up to date on all things FACTUAL about WOZ, I am not sure whether rumours are deserving of attention on a site of this high quality. ()
Perhaps there are other forums online which are administrated or "super" moderated to a much lower standard and where rumours, potentially defamatory material (and ultimately closed threads) are a regular occurrence and where rumours like this would actually thrive? :tumble:
I understand an agree 100% with your comments .
I thought about editing Jacks quote but as he writes You can put this anywhere you like word for word Mate! so I thought I'd keep it 100% as it was meant to be .
Members and Mods on AP respect each other in an unique way, the mate-ship and Camaraderie speaks for itself ^^^
Thanks for the vote of confidence! :)
There have been rumours flying around, and if this message from the manufacturer serves to put them to rest, then it's a good thing. Last thing I would want is for members to be worried about their investment.
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I am sure JJP must have known about that new WOZ movie when he did the licence etc...its not like the licence holder/movie company wouldnt have told him a few things after getting a intellectual property contract signed...this works well for both parties, the WOZ machine and WOZ movie will promote each other indirectly...well done to JJP for being astute enough to be in the right place at the right time thru his determination and hard work...luck is a distant second.
March movie release will coincide with the WOZ production line running at full tilt....now, JJP needs to get the 2nd title designed n well under way so that the production line transitions straight into the next title without the line and all the production staff sitting around for weeks without anything to build...Gary Stern speaks about this problem in his last 2012 pinball expo talk which was very production line and parts inventory based...its looking very relevant to the JJP challenges they now face til the company really gets some more experience under its belt this next 2 or 4 years.
Movie looks good...worth a watch probably.
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remember to wear your pretty red slippers Brett
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remember to wear your pretty red slippers Brett
I have already got them on.... I am clicking my feet together but the naked pinball calender girls havent appeared, YET !
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UK buyer
Are international orders going to be left til last Jack?
Jack
In the production shipping queue we will ship to whoever and wherever it falls in order.
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From Jack's Forum
We are shipping all of the IAAPA games right after the show, then some
more next month and getting some on location.
In the production shipping queue we will ship to whoever and wherever
it falls in order.
We will have games at the London show in January too.
The Licensor for our second game expected us to announce it at IAAPA -
so that will come shortly too....
So Brett , seems like a very versatile production line .
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From Jack's Forum
We are shipping all of the IAAPA games right after the show, then some
more next month and getting some on location.
In the production shipping queue we will ship to whoever and wherever
it falls in order.
We will have games at the London show in January too.
The Licensor for our second game expected us to announce it at IAAPA -
so that will come shortly too....
So Brett , seems like a very versatile production line .
funny, I posted that hours ago
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IF it was true (ignoring common sense with the production line and shipping logistics of shipping single machines instead of batches of 40 plus in seafreight containers which machines have to be produced on the line in country code runs - which will disprove the first to order, first to recieve etc) and if it was true, why are the first 50 machines going to operators, instead of the first 50 individuals who ordered and paid first...
remembering, on AP alone, there are 4 people who ordered in the first 24 hrs ..but they arent getting the first 4 machines are they....
So the "In the production shipping queue we will ship to whoever and wherever it falls in order" rule has already been ammended to provide 50 machines to operators.....the order list, it will be ammended many times more to accomodate JJPs plans....Face it, the lists order is set up to accomodate JJP, not individuals....and if I was JJP, thats what i would be doing as well cause it makes commercial sense.
.......and the machine wont be lonely, it will be in a container with 40 other Aus delivered WOZ machines anyway......but just not in the order people are hoping for...(when Bumpers seafreight container of WOZ machines lands , it will prove what i have said all along)...
As long as it comes, be happy i reckon...who cares about what specific order it arrives in.....
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My understanding is the first machines to ship are the prototypes.. these go to the distributors with unfinished codes.
These protos are to go on showroom floors so distributors can sell more machines... main production games arent ready yet and these will be shipped in order
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Whilst I can appreciate being kept up to date on all things FACTUAL about WOZ, I am not sure whether rumours are deserving of attention on a site of this high quality. ()
Perhaps there are other forums online which are administrated or "super" moderated to a much lower standard and where rumours, potentially defamatory material (and ultimately closed threads) are a regular occurrence and where rumours like this would actually thrive? :tumble:
I understand an agree 100% with your comments .
I thought about editing Jacks quote but as he writes You can put this anywhere you like word for word Mate! so I thought I'd keep it 100% as it was meant to be .
Members and Mods on AP respect each other in an unique way, the mate-ship and Camaraderie speaks for itself ^^^
Below used car salesman but above politician ;)
Who is?? Thats an odd post..
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Hey Brett did I read somewhere this game will be shipped with an incomplete code? Nah never that would be as bad as stern lol .
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Jack told me they are fitted with a coded Dongle !@#
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Hopefully I can find one to play although the themes not me I'm interested to checkout build quality and all over finished quality for future titles from jack.
Peter
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Hopefully I can find one to play although the themes not me I'm interested to checkout build quality and all over finished quality for future titles from jack.
Peter
Likewise Pete.
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Interview time
16 minute interview with JJ (on the floor of IAAPA so sound quality not the best):
5 minutes with Keith Johnson:
Game designer Joe Balcer:
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Even "The King" approves:
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Thankyou for the video links Pinsanity.
I bet that people who originally thought the theme was lame etc, will change their mind once they play this machine....and may end up adding one to their collection...there is just so much to do on this machine...with so many features n flashing lights, sounds n LCD, not to mention 3 playfields n crystal ball...people will walk away after a few games wanting more....
and since ladies like the title so much, theres the excuse lads to get a extra pinball machine into the house.....
" I bought it for you darling, I just thought you would really appreciate it "..... %$% %$%
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video of under the hood of a WOZ from IAAPA
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video of under the hood of a WOZ from IAAPA
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one feature i liked, is that the guy said that u can set all insert leds/general illumination to white LED so it lights everything right up so u can work on everything n anything with alot of bright white light, then he demos it a few minutes b4 the playfield closes, and u can still see the white leds/inserts just before it goes back to normal. smart way to work on a pin without holding a torch or a light which is painful. smart idea JJP.
The tech also talks about them wanting to still clean up alot of the harness wiring to make it less n neater before shipping/production models...its looking very good..
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What I heard, is when you open the coin door the LEDs all go white.
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*%* its looking good.........just bought a new car so I may be selling out of mine though - Woz LE #87 if anyone wants in.............
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*%* its looking good.........just bought a new car so I may be selling out of mine though - Woz LE #87 if anyone wants in.............
same pricing as what it owes you etc ? !@# what state are u in...
no matter what, it shld sell very quickly if the price is acceptable...
(my advice is keep it, unless u really have to sell it)
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Thankyou for the video links Pinsanity.
I bet that people who originally thought the theme was lame etc, will change their mind once they play this machine....and may end up adding one to their collection...there is just so much to do on this machine...with so many features n flashing lights, sounds n LCD, not to mention 3 playfields n crystal ball...people will walk away after a few games wanting more....
and since ladies like the title so much, theres the excuse lads to get a extra pinball machine into the house.....
" I bought it for you darling, I just thought you would really appreciate it "..... %$% %$%
Yeah, I think I'm in that category. Originally it didn't interest me, but at the end of the day it's a new pinball machine to play and it has the new display technology in the form of LCD. Loving the look of the final product. Class all the way...can't wait to see an LCD machine (whether it be from Jack or Stern) with a theme that I do want! I think Avengers would have been perfect for an LCD.
Cheers!
Adam.
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Jack wrote this on his forum , it was nice so I thought I'd share it here .
I don't think he would mind .
I'm probably going to write a book about this whole experience at some
point. It's truly been an amazing story.
My experience is unique in that I'm an electronics technician,
operator, pinball player, collector, importer, distributor, creator of
a web site that sells commercial arcade games to the consumer market,
manufacturer and "something" of a game instigator (not creator, LOL)
Because of this uniquely rounded industry experience - from both
sides, hobby and commercial, I can get a really good global view of
what "I" believe the market would like.
Having said all that and not as an egomaniac or in a narcissistic way
but based on success and failure and experience, this was a lot of
fun. Not easy but rewarding and fun.
We took this rich story and pulled it apart in so many ways. We used
it on the cabinet, on TWO LCD monitors, in the unique toys and
mechanisms, in song and speech and in sound, in unique lighting never
done before and in the way the cabinet and playfield are printed. We
dissected every element, every screw, nut and bolt. Every detail was
thought about many times. No bolts go through the cabinet from the
outside through artwork. We minimized wires on the playfield, this is
playable art - that's what a woman at IAAPA called it as she ordered
one!
We are trying to under-promise and over-deliver. You can only imagine
what we will do on our next game.
It was not done for money although we will make money. It was started
out of passion and today I want to say again that I an very Thankful
for all of you who believed first in me and then in more members of
our Team.
You believed without seeing, now you can see and more have come in to
play and buy our games and that's great.
In creating Hoop Jam Stadium, Disco Round, some of the sports video
redemption games, WOZ pusher, Parker Bohn III Pro Bowler ShuffleAlley
game and more, there are always things that work well and things that
don't work so well.
Those don't only involve parts and mechanisms, they always involve
people who get along, who contribute or not and what needs to be done
to create from concept to build. There is a lot going on.
So many of you have not seen or played WOZ. You all will. Once you see
the game you will have that ahhhhh haaaa moment....you will understand
everything at once, I promise. That's what happens with everyone who
sees the game and then gets to play it for the first time.
This company and this product was created for all of you. It was a
special order and we are happy to do this.
It's magic if you love pinball. It is a new direction in what we
believe pinball should be. Will it improve, yes. Remember we had to
create a company, a factory and a game all at once. Draw and tool
parts for the first time, create vendor relationships for the first
time, hire and train people for the first time, on and on and
on.....Next game, it's a lot easier and quicker. Next game we have a
deadline to ship the game so everyone will know when to expect
shipping to start.
There is nothing like creating this product for a person like me or
the people on our Team. This is a dream that I never had but one that
I'm truly blessed every day to have happen to all of us. It may sound
silly, we did not solve world hunger, we created a pinball machine and
a company, created jobs and an experience for many people and brought
a little more fun to the world......that's a beginning.
Lots of people believed, a few said it would never happen. At IAAPA
many longtime industry big shots made their way into booth #837 to see
and play our game. They were all blown away. We took it humbly as we
know we are not "done" yet. Being in the middle of the woods, we don't
see the tree tops....we have lots of heavy lifting to do but in good
fun and with passion!
We won a Brass Ring Award - how cool is that to have beat out hundreds
of games on that show floor? And for us, we looked at the game as not
even complete yet and we won that award....really? What happens in a
few months when the game is really done and coded and shipping? It
sells more, it earns more because it gets played more.
The formula for me is it must work, must be fun and it then makes
money commercially. This game can and will go everywhere. It may not
be the ideal theme for the pinhead who loves "dark" games but it is
the ideal theme to build a company around at the start. When WOZ turns
75 in 2014, we will still proudly have this license. When it turns 100
in 2039, if we have the license, it could never hurt us. That's the
kind of games we want to build.
Was the water cold? When I jumped into the pool there was no water and
I hit my head.....the water is just fine now, thank you.
I want to remind everyone to never let anyone crush your dreams. Never
let anyone tell you that you along with other passionate dedicated
people cannot do something great.
It's much more special because I love Pinball more than a crane or
redemption game. EVERYTHING about Pinball is Special to me!!
I'm thankful to God for allowing us to do this, I know that he(she)
plays pinball too!
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and Thank You all again!!
Jack
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Wow, thanks Ant for posting that - truly inspiration stuff, even started to feel left out by not being in for this game!! I know what it's like to wait for a game that lots say won't happen, people criticising over-runs etc - I hope the buyers are as happy with this as I was with my wait.
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Thanks Ant for sharing and good on you Jack, WOZ does look amazing (though not my theme) and I want to buy one of his games because I believe in him and he should be proud of what he and his team and family have achieved - hats off.
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Thanks for posting that info.
I really feel Jack has a passion for what he does. This is not a mass produced machine built as cheaply as possible. Jack has put a lot of time, effort and passion into his work, and obviously has a lot of pride in his effort. I really hope he succeeds and that we see many more games out of JJP.
Probably the best article I've read in a while. I really respect what he is achieving, and I hope the games make him proud.
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Every designer who has ever put their heart n soul into a pinball game must have felt the same way......lets just hope that the game has a decent run once it is released, and it stays just as famous for being a great game, as well as/versus the first JJP game....
Gameplay is everything......the technology has been focused on, now its up to the gameplay to be just as good...time will tell...I am hoping it really is....
and yes, Jack is right, never give up on ya dreams......you only live once. ^^^ bring on Feb/March 2013 hopefully for aussie delivereies... ^^^
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Jack has just posted that one of the circuit boards has had to be redesigned
Seems that distributors will be getting demo models soon , but ordinary buyers will have to wait another 90 days
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Jack has just posted that one of the circuit boards has had to be redesigned
Seems that distributors will be getting demo models soon , but ordinary buyers will have to wait another 90 days
unfortunately, thats why I said Feb/March up above for aussie delieveries cause I just know how easy it is for one simple hassle to turn into a production line shitfight...and to be honest, I thought i was being conservative when i said Feb/March....it means aussies get better machines/models anyway i would reckon...
.....thats why I am waiting for all the proiduction bugs n hassles to be ironed out and will buy close to the end of the production queue...hopefully Bumper (or someone) will have BNIB std Woz stock siting aroung they cant sell that has the latest n greatest revisions into it etc and the prioce will drop just to get rid oif them...something tells me that if Jack is over positive, he will produce more stock rather than less...Thats what i am betting on anyway....its a bit late in the game to be getiing boards redesigned, but what can u do...I think they are ALOT more behind than they are saying, but shit happens, and even NASA runs behind all the time, so if u want the best, ya just have to wait for it....
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it is frustrating that the date keeps getting pushed
hey Jack, distributors getting demo models is not a promise kept!!!!
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it is frustrating that the date keeps getting pushed
hey Jack, distributors getting demo models is not a promise kept!!!!
I know your frustrated Pete but theres not a lot you can do about it except pull out if its pissing you off that much.
Now we know that the boards have to be redesigned it makes the past couple of months make sense..... software delays.
My guess is that they were trying to make the software suit the boards and eventually gave up and decided to go back to square 1. Disappointing i know.. its a real bummer.
Id say this is the last thing Jack wanted.. and its going to be costly.
Bugs...bugs...bugs... all being ironed out.
Demo models are just that... demos. While it is a full machine, its not the full game and once the boards are finished these have to be swapped over ( was just a dongle removal).
I wouldnt worry about the date Pete, so long as the game is 100% when it arrives.
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Complete Post from Jack .
Some games have shipped already from IAAPA to distributors. The
balance will ship on Monday or Tuesday.
We made a few more changes to the electronics in the game - that is -
the Tornado Driver board on the playfield will not be in the
Production games. We thought more about it and we decided to take it
off the playfield and it's been incorporated into the latest revision
I/O board. Wires up, wires down...etc...etc....This change caused us
some added time in board design, prototype testing, etc. But it is
done!
I expect to be able to ship more games in the next few weeks, yes
December too as we get more games to distributors and on location. I
can see that because of the most recent change that real production
circuit boards are still several weeks away and dare I say, from what
it looks like now that we should be shipping real games within a 90
day range.
Here we will continue to build up playfields and cabinets and
hopefully have many ready to go when boards arrive. I would rather
ship "some" and make sure they ship OK, come out of the box OK and
ease the shipping than just say ship 100+ games out the door at once.
We are shipping games in the queue that they were ordered in. We will
ship games in groups where asked or where possible to save on freight,
like to MN, CA, CO, TX, etc.
Hope this helps clear up more. Remember that I'm almost always
available for calls or e mails and thanks to everyone who keeps
telling us to take our time and get it all right.
Standing in our booth at IAAPA was very satisfying and it was a huge
statement and accomplishment....that is what so many people there told
us. When people are here picking up games - that's what I'm looking
forward to next!!
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OK... so games ARE ready but the Tornado Driver is longer a stand alone unit under the PF where it would have constant vibration
Seems an upgrade that isnt absolutely necessary but one that will add better longevity to the games. Most manufacturers would have just shipped ouyt the door as is... i say good move by Jack and while it adds a delay, it also cements the attention to quality.... brave move on Jacks part... there will be criticism form the inpatient and praise from the rest
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OK... so games ARE ready but the Tornado Driver is longer a stand alone unit under the PF where it would have constant vibration
Seems an upgrade that isnt absolutely necessary but one that will add better longevity to the games. Most manufacturers would have just shipped ouyt the door as is... i say good move by Jack and while it adds a delay, it also cements the attention to quality.... brave move on Jacks part... there will be criticism form the inpatient and praise from the rest
nothing but respect to you
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A bit hard to make out, but notice where the Woz that is in the truck is heading
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/bumpersanta.jpg)
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Bumper Action is the recipient...and I think alot of people could probably join the dots on that with a certain members help n involvement from day one who has some serious pull with Jack to help out Aussie buyers to see whats going to be coming sooner or later, plus it helps get more new sales for the Aussie market...just remember its not finished yet, so its no where near finished, but should be enough to calm the masses....
Question - Wheres the proper packaging, the proper finalised WOZ boxing etc...Its a bit scary sending something 3/4 around the world without the proper protection...JJP are doing well, dont get me wrong, but boy oh boy thay are behind in every single area... I guess it wont matter in 6 months.
Perhaps that little truck should be upgraded to a semi trailer sooner or later, complete with a Emerald Green paint job....and a yellow brick road.lol
Well done Pete for finding n sharing the photo.
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Are you sure its a WOZ?? Thought they werent being sent till 1st week Dec... and the screen printing on the back of the head box looks like standard yellow/black WMS/BALLY warning print.
My money is on it not being a WOZ
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Are you sure its a WOZ?? Thought they werent being sent till 1st week Dec... and the screen printing on the back of the head box looks like standard yellow/black WMS/BALLY warning print.
My money is on it not being a WOZ
take a close look at the game on the lifter, you can see that that machine is WoZ
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Well spotted Pete!
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Tis too....!
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OK... so games ARE ready but the Tornado Driver is longer a stand alone unit under the PF where it would have constant vibration
Just to clarify, the "Tornado board" was actually the LED controller board for the entire machine, and had very strangely been mounted vertically behind the tornado plastic ABOVE the playfield, just behind Munchkinland. The "tornado" plastic has several LEDs on it itself, which indicate which Munchkinland mode is active, but behind that plastic was a big circuit board with a bunch of wires leading to it.
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Daniel, are you going to tell us the demo model has arrived at Bumper?
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It has....but when I spoke to Bumper on Thursday it was being set up/tested. I guess they'll send out an email when it's ready so we can have a go. WOZ purchasers will see it before anyone else I'm told, but that may just be talk because if they want to sell a lot more machines I'm sure they'll give any one interested some time on the game. Why wouldn't you?
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Daniel, are you going to tell us the demo model has arrived at Bumper?
Have you seen it as yet Mr. Pope?
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Yep seen it played it but can't talk about it as bumper are not sponsors. Sorry guys
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ACDC rocks, and your opinion matters. ^^^
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Yep seen it played it but can't talk about it as bumper are not sponsors. Sorry guys
Hey, can Daniel talk about his personal experiences N about WOZ gameplay since Bumper is the only distributor in Australia and since the WOZ pinball machine product doesnt compete with any other Aussie Pinball sponsor ? !@#
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Yep seen it played it but can't talk about it as bumper are not sponsors. Sorry guys
thats bs Dan lol, did it look as good as the pictures. yes or no lol
Yes, that is absolute BS, and for the record, just as I PM'd Daniel a minute ago, of course he is able to talk about the game, and that it's at Bumper etc.
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Cool well guys yes the game is at bumper the machine is very well built and bloody heavy. The photos do it no justice it is so bright and everything is so glossy.
Will update some more when I've had some more time with it.
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ACDC rocks, and your opinion matters. ^^^
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Daniel, are you going to tell us the demo model has arrived at Bumper?
Have you seen it as yet Pete?
Nup, as I did not buy mine through Bumper
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ACDC rocks, and your opinion matters. ^^^
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Stern definately have some competition in my opinion everything seems well built very strong and fast.
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Yep seen it played it but can't talk about it as bumper are not sponsors. Sorry guys
thats bs Dan lol, did it look as good as the pictures. yes or no lol
Indeed, it is BS.
Whoever told Dan he cannot discuss WOZ because "bumper are not sponsors", is misleading him. Dan, as per the PM, you can discuss WOZ on AP.
For the record, it was bumpers' choice NOT to sponsor AP. That is ancient history now.
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Hasn't stopped me , just say what you need to say mate .
I'm quite sure there's no top secret stuff , only I have that info ( LOL)
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People who bought WOZ direct from JJP
I am wondering if JJP will offer all the Australian people who purchased directly thru JJP originally and not Bumper, to send their WOZ machines out with all the Bumper orders to make it easier n have all the machines transported once in one seafreight 40 footer, then Bumper can then on-send to everyone in their respective states...I believe this will probably be the easiest, safest and most cost effective way of doing it rather than going it alone which will be much more difficult..(excl ANT(Tony) who does containers from the USA to Brisy anyway).
Has anyone approached USA JJP for specific directions/quotes on shipping their WOZ out to down under, or has anyone approached Bumper with this piggyback container idea in mind ? ......Might be well worth investing in some reseach/emailing now ahead of time...save some headaches n save some money. If anyone does get any info on this, please post.
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ACDC rocks, and your opinion matters. ^^^
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From Pinside
Keith gave a basic overview of some of the rules during a recent interview at IAAPA:
» YouTube video
In summary:
Emerald City multiball - hit rollover targets to spell each character - lock 3 balls (one for each character) to start
Save Dorothy multiball- hit targets on upper playfield to spell rescue and bang on castle door to start
Crystal Ball modes- 2 ball multiball
something bad will happen such as:
all lights go out
flippers won't stay up (unable to trap balls)
reversed flippers?
Spell rainbow to qualify upper right playfield
get loops to start munchkin mode
start all munchkin modes to start munchkin multiball
After going thru Emerald City MB, Munchkin MB, and Crystal ball modes:
Final Wicked witch mode
melt her by hitting target
If you beat her there is a special celebration multiball
Crystal ball will give you clues on what to shoot
spell Toto to get ball back, 10 seconds to make a shot to save Toto
complete no place like home targets - special black and white mode
utoplay=1&rel=0
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Being on the other side (WA) it cheaper if I go through Jack direct and get it shipped direct.Nothing wrong with bumper but they didn't jump on board right at the start.They waited until it was all go then they became the Aust distributor and in the mean time a lot of people ordered direct through Jack.
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Crystal Ball modes- 2 ball multiball
something bad will happen such as:
all lights go out
flippers won't stay up (unable to trap balls)
reversed flippers?
Now that is some innovation - sure, reversed flippers on Simpsons, and some games dim/put lights out, but having the flippers not being able to trap is a fantastic idea. Cheap and simple yet will add a great element to gameplay - top work JJP!
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Starting to sound real sweet .
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Starting to sound real sweet .
Sure is!
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Bumper would only help out n allow peoples machines into their container if JJP asked for it to help streamline the delivery process, and if Bumper was compensated financially by JJP after people pay JJP for the calculated delivery costs etc...sooner or later JJP will give people specific pricing to go it alone, or they will offer people to piggyback with Bumper from what I have been told.
Both JJP and Bumper both have a vested interest to make sure every single WOZ machine gets delivered safely and undamaged, regardless of who the machine originally ordered thru. Given Bumper is the only distributor in Australia, any good or bad story about a WOZ machine could affect their ability to sell more machines in the future just because they are now tied to the WOZ name.
Its also easier to track 1 x 40 foot seafreight container than 25 different individual machines between the USA and Australia.
Apparently, in the USA, USA JJP dealers have expressed a strong desire already for JJP to not take orders directly from customers, and JJP have and are considering allotting those sales/delivereies to the closest JJP dealer by postcode so the long term servicing and the longterm viability n strength of the JJP dealer/agent system grows rather than shrinks. Australia/Bumper has already stated that any future JJP purchases for the Hobbitt or any further model can only be made thru Bumper, and that JJP are already referring all enquiries directly back to Bumper, apparently even if u have bought directly thru JJP on the WOZ model. If JJP have taken any orders from aussie buyers directly for the Hobbitt, then perhaps they are doing something similar to the soon to be USA model by still crediting the local JJP dealer with a sale/$$ commission. Best of both worlds here. Bumper will still service anyones WOZ/Hobbitt machine, again regardless how u bought it, because JJP still compensates them for parts n labour and the customer gets serviced.
Thats the info I have recieved after making enquiries to both JJP and Bumper....Time will tell if the info I have been given is still on track.
Its also great that any person in Melbourne can pop into Bumper n play a game on the WOZ. Excellent opportunity.
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Why would I want to wait 6-8 weeks for shipping by sea?
This thing has taken too long already
I do not want them to even waste time putting it in a box
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Why would I want to wait 6-8 weeks for shipping by sea?
This thing has taken too long already
I do not want them to even waste time putting it in a box
Sure, you can elect to pay an extra $300 to $600 for airfreight, pay your own gst n various fees and do all your own custom clearances etc and get it 4 or so weeks quicker, provided u run into no problems etc.
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I got the chance to play the WOZ prototype at Bumper today. It looks and sounds amazing.
Very smooth shots, fast and looks like a real solid game.
Considering some of the rules being put into it I can see this is going to be one special machine.
Purchasers will not be disappointed.
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Great feedback.
Did u like the gameplay ? would you buy one after playing it...how did u find all the flippers n different playfields ? was it alot of fun ?
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I was wrong stern is the future, thank you Cavey ^^^
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I got the chance to play the WOZ prototype at Bumper today. It looks and sounds amazing.
Very smooth shots, fast and looks like a real solid game.
Considering some of the rules being put into it I can see this is going to be one special machine.
Purchasers will not be disappointed.
Just for the record.. can you confirm that you are not a JJP agent? %.% %.% %.%
Seriously though.. that is good to hear.. after SOOOOOOOO much speculation both good and bad, its all down to how the game represents itself.
As more info has been released its been looking better and better...
.. thanks for the feedback, this is the machine that sets the pace for JJP and its imperative that its a great game.
All sounding good for pinball so far.
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I got the chance to play the WOZ prototype at Bumper today. It looks and sounds amazing.
Very smooth shots, fast and looks like a real solid game.
Considering some of the rules being put into it I can see this is going to be one special machine.
Purchasers will not be disappointed.
Just for the record.. can you confirm that you are not a JJP agent? %.% %.% %.%
Seriously though.. that is good to hear.. after SOOOOOOOO much speculation both good and bad, its all down to how the game represents itself.
As more info has been released its been looking better and better...
.. thanks for the feedback, this is the machine that sets the pace for JJP and its imperative that its a great game.
All sounding good for pinball so far.
More importantly, did you "commit to buy" in order to play the damn thing?
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I got the chance to play the WOZ prototype at Bumper today. It looks and sounds amazing.
Very smooth shots, fast and looks like a real solid game.
Considering some of the rules being put into it I can see this is going to be one special machine.
Purchasers will not be disappointed.
Just for the record.. can you confirm that you are not a JJP agent? %.% %.% %.%
Seriously though.. that is good to hear.. after SOOOOOOOO much speculation both good and bad, its all down to how the game represents itself.
As more info has been released its been looking better and better...
.. thanks for the feedback, this is the machine that sets the pace for JJP and its imperative that its a great game.
All sounding good for pinball so far.
More importantly, did you "commit to buy" in order to play the damn thing?
3 balls and sign on the dotted line... thanks
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The cackling witch at the end of the game echoes through the whole building
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I'll try to answer everyones queries :
Firstly I am not an agent %.% but I am a purchaser of WOZ, which is why I got the chance to play the prototype. The quality is amazing and the glossy finish with the LEDs look great. Plus there are so many targets and toys. It is pimped!
Because it is a prototype you have to use your imagination for some things as the LCD and the toys are not fully integrated. There's only one song and none of the rules keith is working on are not in the game as of yet.
We've heard for many months this game is not for everyone (nothing wrong with that), but when you see it even if the theme doesn't suit your taste there will be things that will really stand out. I think you'll find there will be a lot less 'haters' out there in time.
The machine is a huge step forward and does not compare with current pinball releases. I think it will be a game changer for the industry! As others have said previously the code will be the maker of this game, but if I go from what I saw and experienced their won't be shortcuts on the coding.
Guys, this is all only my opinion from what I saw and experienced, but hopefully as others get to play it (hopefully in a more complete form), you might share that opinion also.
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Great feedback.
Its going to be special there is no doubt. First widebody since 1995. That alone is extremely unique and Jack has done pinball a great service for
re-introducing the widebody. ^^^
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a fairly new video (I think), link sent to me by pingame journal
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The witch on the broomstick at the end is cool, flying around and writing GAME OVER with her smoke from the broomstick.
The game reminds me alot of how a widebody Indianna Jones plays...u have to really place your shots correctly to get up to the top playfield to get the most out of the game otherwise u just keep bouncing around the bottom two thirds of the playfield...
I think this widebody is like alot of widebodys, it makes u think, it makes u follow the prompts, u get the best out of it by trying to achieve/defeat each mode by thinking about and placing your shots....that makes it interesting if u like a longer thinking style of game...heaps of different sounds...and its not even finished yet, so it is going to get better n better as time passes...still cant stand the red shoe flippers - yuk...got to think of something else to replace those...maybe emerald greeen flipper bats with yellow rubbers ?? !@#
$7,000 pricing in the USA for a std WOZ is so much cheaper....what can u do...
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Play appeared slow and monotonous, maybe because it is a wide body. The theme is not my cup of tea but the candy and level of detail are sure to please. Quality looks A1. LED and crystal ball look a bit dull but maybe in real life they are better. LED would be good for watchers but the player would not gaze at for long.
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Play appeared slow and monotonous, maybe because it is a wide body.
Maybe.... i think it was the player, his timing of the ball onto the flippers was plain crap
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Play appeared slow and monotonous, maybe because it is a wide body.
Maybe.... i think it was the player, his timing of the ball onto the flippers was plain crap
totall agree....if u are going to show off a machine and all its features, get someone who can play really well who can make the different shots to get to the different playfields etc......not to mention trap the ball, n pass between flippers n a few of the basics...that would have helped alot...
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ACDC rocks, and your opinion matters. ^^^
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You're right Cavey if you place your shots correctly I found it flows really well. There will be scoring shots everywhere. When you see it in person the slippers may grow on you. IMO they fit in perfectly with the game theme and aesthetics.
One of the things I forgot about when playing the prototype at first was all the flippers. Mainly the one that sits in the common 3rd flipper location if that makes sense. But after a couple of games I really got into it. It was set on a 2 ball game with the outlane posts being very open which meant at times the games were pretty short.
I wouldn't say the game's slow, but the footage doesn't really do it justice. What I'm really waiting to see is the different modes and how much the LCD interacts with the game with complete code. There wasn't too much movement happening on the screen other than for the locked ball and the witch on the broomstick (for game over). Although video footage was fairly limited at the time, I really liked the animation and sound quality was great.
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Anyone have any new WOZ news ? Its been pretty quiet from the JJP factory ? !@#
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Anyone have any new WOZ news ? Its been pretty quiet from the JJP factory ? !@#
Nup
There is a board that has had to be redesigned
other than that we are just waiting on the software to be written (as we have for the last 7 months)
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Jack has a special on his invisiglass, but I suppose you need to live in the USA to get it
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Bumpers the resellers here so maybe they have a deal running also on the glass .
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Good to know Ill enquire when we start back if we can get the special on the glass
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Good to know Ill enquire when we start back if we can get the special on the glass
Please advise if this is the case. *%*
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Good video of the Jersey Jack factory tour (the day the hobbit premiered).
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Hey Gavin go to 18.22 on the video , is that I think it is ?
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Hey Gavin go to 18.22 on the video , is that I think it is ?
Would be good eh?? But its not..LOL
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Wizard of OZ pinball thread has moved into number 1 position of thread reads of all time/ in the history of Aussie Pinball, with almost 11,900 reads.
I dont think any other pinball title will ever beat this because the WOZ has taken so long to design, build n get started on the production line, which is why it has grown to be the biggest thread ever on Aussie Pinball.
The AC/DC thread was only just passed,
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=7827.0
but I think was around alot less than the WOZ thread. Something tells me the WOZ thread will probably get to 13 or 14 thousand reads by the time the machine is built, released, code and physical factory machine upgrades, then aftermarket mods made avail etc, followed by some 2nd hand or BNIB machine sales/offerings hitting the various forums/ebay etc.
Anyway, the WOZ thread is far from finished, with JJP starting ? the production line sometime in 2013. Alot of posts n reads still to come on this exciting title/topic. ^^^ A big thanks to ANT(Tony) who has been instrumental in providing great updates from day one and all the way along with many other members contributing as well. Well done WOZ. ^^^ Stay tuned, more info to come in 2013 from JJP !
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info pulled from Pingame Journal
January 3, 2013 -- JERSEY JACK PINBALL and WIZARD OF OZ ON REPLAY COVER!
WOW! 2013 is starting off great for Jersey Jack and WOZ ... first there is a one-of-a-kind New Year photo on the PGJ web site (below) and then the January, 2013 edition of REPLY magazine that arrived in the mail is sporting this impressive cover. In the liner notes, "On The Cover" says:
"Labor of Love: Jack Guarnieri, who announced intentions to launch his Jersey Jack Pinball factory nearly two years ago, recently began building the initial run of Wizard of Oz games.
Test units are already on the street and Guarnieri says they will begin to fill orders and place games with distributors this month. The pinball, which picked up a debut award at last fall's IAAPA show, features an array of exciting mechanical toys, LED lighting, wide-body construction and, of course, the familiar Wizard of Oz licenced theme.
"Everybody that sees the game immediately gets the passion that was put into it," Guarnieri told RePlay. "If a game is fun, it makes money, and the industry is always ready for another game that makes money."
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another new good read article
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/doers/2013/01/jersey_jack_pinball_wizard_of_oz_pinball_is_dying_can_arcade_entrepreneur.html
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And yet no firm date on shipping :(
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another new good read article
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/doers/2013/01/jersey_jack_pinball_wizard_of_oz_pinball_is_dying_can_arcade_entrepreneur.html
From the article page 2:
"According to company president Gary Stern, his firm sold more than 5,000 games in 2012."
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and people keep telling me Stern has to catch JJP........ *.* *.* *.*
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say 5000 machines selling at wholesale averaging out at $5000 us each machine, thats only $2.5million us in turnover before tax and costs, how many employees does he have? there is no way the man makes a cent profit on that operation. yes stern needs to pick up their game not to compete with JJP but to keep surviving, on the numbers Gary has quoted him self. there are massive overheads industry, i cant even see how he pays him self.
Good point.
I wonder how the 5000 machines is spread across the various titles? The only set numbers to accurately go off is the LE's.
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Be wary of the words "at least".
Amazon is another company that uses this phrase and does not disclose actual numbers. In Stern's case it could be 5001 or 10001 it is anyone's guess. Only Stern knows the exact number.
I just came from a shop which had an "up to 70% off sale". Only one item was 70% off. The rest were mainly 10% off.
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Gary's not telling the truth lol I just watched an interview where he said sales where up 35% in 2012 so they'd be selling more 10-15k he just doesn't want to give out figures.
Peter
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
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Weird I know but let's face it acdc would have sold at least 5k units on its own and there's a feb run coming up and that's nearly sold out on pre sales so not sure why he does it but he's telling porkies lol but then sterns never given out sales figures :-)
Peter
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We better get back on track with WOZ lol has anyone in OZ received advice when there game will arrive? It must be frustrating.
Peter
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
Pre sale next month lol no title so your buying a title that's not thought of yet :-)
Peter
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ohhh wow
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
That's what I thought when I saw the preorders for thes eJJP games here..
Yes the game is cheaper if you prepay, may not turn out as big a difference as expected though, depends on sales and units available, but you could be the one earning interest or dividends and capital growth on that money for the 2-3 years...
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Gary's not telling the truth lol I just watched an interview where he said sales where up 35% in 2012 so they'd be selling more 10-15k he just doesn't want to give out figures.
Peter
really what company tells its clients sales are worst than they are?? lol
if your telling the other company false figures it doesnt even make sense. and the repercussions of that is customers hear the same BS info.
would be the first company i know that tells people a product is selling worst than it is.
most company's tell every one the sale are fantastic and high. if he is going to lie about numbers he would be better off saying they are higher than they are.
the sale are probly up at 35% @ 5000 games sold.
it is after all the year of their most successfull gAME acdc,
I initially thought the figure seemed low considering Stern recent success, but if that's the game Stern want to play, good luck to them. Not sure what it achieves ??? Gary cannot even give an honest answer about his favorite pin. He just says his favorite is whatever their latest is in production. Geez you can give an opinion even if you are a salesmen. It would make him appear a bit more genuine at least (IMO).
Back on topic. With the most recent delays (finishing code and redoing a board) even Jacks patience must be wearing thin. It must be putting the brakes on further sales. With the release dates being pushed out more and more I think timing wise they would have to start delivering machines before the upcoming release of Oz: The Great & Powerful to get the full marketing benefit. Interesting to see you have to pay to play the prototypes on location with basic code. Wouldn't people not generally interested in pinball be less interested to play it later on if they just go off the basic code to date? eg if they just going off first impressions.
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
It would not surprise me the way WOZ is going. Quite unbelievable it's January 2013 and still buyers have no delivery date.
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
It would not surprise me the way WOZ is going. Quite unbelievable it's January 2013 and still buyers have no delivery date.
It is amazing how long it's taken sad for investors really
Peter
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
It would not surprise me the way WOZ is going. Quite unbelievable it's January 2013 and still buyers have no delivery date.
It is amazing how long it's taken sad for investors really
Peter
I looked at WOZ more than 12 months ago but my gut feel said to go BIBLE as I wanted to play ASAP. They say WOZ is good quality build but I have had a cracker of a time playing ACDC for the past 10 months. Better than waiting and wandering.
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Gee this is getting boring who has there WOZ yet? Hasn't it been 3years? Man I like hobbit but I'll wait until 2015 to see it first lol, yeah yeah shinny pf great build quality but that means nothing if you don't have your game, the money's better off in the bank making interest than giving it to jack for 3 years oh hang on jacks made the interest lol
Peter
Are they ready for the third title yet?
It would not surprise me the way WOZ is going. Quite unbelievable it's January 2013 and still buyers have no delivery date.
It is amazing how long it's taken sad for investors really
Peter
I looked at WOZ more than 12 months ago but my gut feel said to go BIBLE as I wanted to play ASAP. They say WOZ is good quality build but I have had a cracker of a time playing ACDC for the past 10 months. Better than waiting and wandering.
Totally agree I to have enjoyed my BIB LE
Peter
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and people keep telling me Stern has to catch JJP........ *.* *.* *.*
what you think 5000 games is impressive??
thats with acdc in that year sterns biggest game. thats not really a good figure, and if i was an investor i wouldnt be investing in stern as a company.
share holders wouldnt be impressed that that sort of figure, imagine how much money they didnt make of there investment on 5000 machine.
Just wait cavey i wouldnt be counting your chickens yet, remember JJP hasnt released their machine yet and stern is only out selling them around 5 to 1, on a none released machine against a few stern titles including their priced ACDC.
say 5000 machines selling at wholesale averaging out at $5000 us each machine, thats only $2.5million us in turnover before tax and costs, how many employees does he have? there is no way the man makes a cent profit on that operation. yes stern needs to pick up their game not to compete with JJP but to keep surviving, on the numbers Gary has quoted him self. there are massive overheads industry, i cant even see how he pays him self.
before you say stern sell machine that cost $9k how can the average be around $5k.
well the base models retail around $5k thats retail. and he also retails pinballs as low as $2.5 which more than make up for the difference of $7-$9k machines. and again they are retail prices, and as you know that is before taking any costs out to produce the machines, marketing, insurance, taxes, rents,wages, stock, equipment, design even licence fees, and the many many other costs involved in running an operation.
yes JJP wouldnt be making money either, And he would be expecting that, he isnt a company that hasnt been around for over 30 years, and he would have a pocket of cash trying to stick it out for a few years like any start up company does.
I am VERY VERY glad u are NOT running my business.lol
5000 machines at $5000 each is not $2.5 million as you wrongly calculated, ITS $25,000,000 (25 million) #@#
You were only out by one thousand percent !
and I read every other post u wrote, and it all sounds like Stern bashing to me.........sorry, but after you have spent a 30 year period bettering Gary Stern, then I might believe a percentage of it........I think its time that some people stopped making excuses for JJP and admitted, its not so easy being a armchair expert and thinking it would be so easy to better Stern.
JJP has tried for almost 3 years, and so far, not one machine delivered to a home user, even with a open cheque book and a design brief to the best of the unemployed pinball experts to do whatever they want to design the best pinball they can make. Not soo easy is it !
As I have said many times before, Gary Stern is a very talented man doing a great job. Anyone who says otherwise can build me a pinball machine, then post a thread on it and show me how its better than a Stern machine......
How about something positive about Stern for a change.........give credit where credit is due for a change......
P.S - JJP have done a outstanding job so far, not withstanding they are late....it just shows that building pinball machines and building a successful pinball machine manufacturing company is a mammoth task...it takes massive talent, time n money...something no one on here can replicate, so why bash Stern all the time. Food for reasonable thought.......But I could be wrong.....its happened before.lol
I will give the extra 22.5 million dollars back to Gary when i see him next.lol
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>>>>>OlivJ, Its all good we have different opinions, it just frustrates me sometimes...imagine newbies trying to get into pinball seeing negative stuff written all the time about Stern, it must scare some people off buying a machine and getting into this hobby ?
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no big deal, make another 500 mistakes on here and u will catch up to me.lol ^^^
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Man you got a problem! Stop knocking Cavey, he knows pinball today and he is a great ambassador for AP and the hoby in general. I love his posts cause he always backs up with facts, figures and good opinions and nothing like your dummy spit.
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I will take both the positive and not so positive comments on the chin, so thanks.....
back on track with WOZ....
Has anyone been into play the game in VIC and have they got any info to add on gameplay and overall appearance etc.?
Has anyone played the machine with anything other than the first basic code ?, or is it still got basic code only ?
Has anyone got anything extra from JJP about production starting on the line, or if production hasnt started, any reasons why ?
Any general JJP updates at all ? !@# !@# !@#
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Man you got a problem! Stop knocking Cavey, he knows pinball today and he is a great ambassador for AP and the hoby in general. I love his posts cause he always backs up with facts, figures and good opinions and nothing like your dummy spit.
no brother you got me wrong, no knocking here,
i have learnt the error of my ways.
Ha ha great now let's see you post at least 10 positive posts about stern and in no particular order.
P:s- I'm impressed how you're taken the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism this time :-)
Peter
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I will take both the positive and not so positive comments on the chin, so thanks.....
back on track with WOZ....
Has anyone been into play the game in VIC and have they got any info to add on gameplay and overall appearance etc.?
Has anyone played the machine with anything other than the first basic code ?, or is it still got basic code only ?
Has anyone got anything extra from JJP about production starting on the line, or if production hasnt started, any reasons why ?
Any general JJP updates at all ? !@# !@# !@#
I believe only people that have laid down a deposit can play WOZ.
Peter
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I believe only people that have laid down a deposit can play WOZ.
I'm sure David told me the other day that it is now on the floor..
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I will take both the positive and not so positive comments on the chin, so thanks.....
back on track with WOZ....
Has anyone been into play the game in VIC and have they got any info to add on gameplay and overall appearance etc.?
Has anyone played the machine with anything other than the first basic code ?, or is it still got basic code only ?
Has anyone got anything extra from JJP about production starting on the line, or if production hasnt started, any reasons why ?
Any general JJP updates at all ? !@# !@# !@#
Demo game is at Bumper
Dan works at Bumper
As for shipping, no news yet
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If I hear someone else in this thread say it's taken 3 years, I'm going to scream! As of January 2013, it has been exactly 2 years (since January 2011).
Yes, that's too long too, but there's no need to exaggerate the facts to make a point.
The two mass-media articles featuring JJP released in the last 2 days have stated Mid-Feburary and Mid-March as delivery dates (in the US, of course). Jack's last official ETA given on November 30, 2012 was 90 days, which takes you to March 2013.
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I was using the figures I thought had been mentioned/supplied by a member who had talked about the date for the first ever announcement from JJP that they were designing a WOZ machine and had negotiated the licence and had been working on that title. It wasnt the date this WOZ thread started but another date. I might have got it wrong.
I will have to ask someone who i think might be able to help provide that specific date like Pop Bumper Pete or ANT who have both bought a WOZ and have been in the WOZ purchase line ever since day one.
If its not 3 years, i will stand corrected back to the ?? 2 years. If its 3 years, I will leave my former posts at 3 years. I will wait for one of the guys mentioned to comment if they could on the original date. Thanks for mentioning the different date, best to have it correct, yes......
Brett
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Does anyone know of anyone in Australia who has bought a std model WOZ , instead of the LE WOZ ? !@#
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I wonder if Jack has another card up his sleeve - perhaps The Pinball Arcade version to be released at the same time?
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Yes Wizard of oz is in the showroom for general public but still has no code update
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I will have to ask someone who i think might be able to help provide that specific date like Pop Bumper Pete or ANT who have both bought a WOZ and have been in the WOZ purchase line ever since day one.
Brett
I think you are getting the dates mixed up with the WOZ redemption/pusher machine from JJ which had been out the year prior.
The pin was announced on January 2011.
Did you consider that there may be other posters in this thread who have been in since day one as well? #@#
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I thought there would be but i didnt know their names.
Not long now and Australia will have a influx of WOZ machines just like AC/DC did....fun times ahead.
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Shit, WoZ was officially announced January 2011
Only a fool would think that Jack had done no work at all previous to this date
In his first Spooky Pinball Podcast, Hack said he had been working on the project for a year akready
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According to Jack, none of the real work got started until Spring 2011 (before that was basically just feeling out the industry, people and options). Regardless, none of us have known about the project or put any money down for longer than 2 years yet.
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Any one who had done a project of any size knows that you need a plan so you can move forward
The first thing we saw was Dorithys house. You cannot build the house unlass you know what you want it to do. Nor cab yky build it unless you know how much space you have
I have been fully paid for the last 15 months
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If any one had received a bill for shipping, do you not think that they would have posted such on this forum or any other?
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I think The Never Ending Story would be a more fitting title for JJPs first pinny. All I can say is buyers of WOZ are a patient bunch.
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I think The Never Ending Story would be a more fitting title for JJPs first pinny. All I can say is buyers of WOZ are a patient bunch.
Each time the due date gets moved, it is only 90 days. even I can wait 90 days
except this time, when the last date slipped due tho them having to redesign a board, I cannot see any way that a new designed board is going to be produced over the xmas new year period
so even the current 'end of Feb' will be missed (IMHO)
I am at the point where I now just don't care
I am tired of the fanbois oozing their love for the quality of the cabinet
I am tired of being reminde of Keiths past programming sucsesses
If somebody offered me the right amount of money, I would sell the thing unplayed
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WOZ is like the girl u waited all night to take to bed.....she kept putting u off, bit by bit, again and again, til the viagara wore off.lol %.% %.% %.%
Then when she does say YES, u are not in the mood. Dam. ^&^
What can u do, just hope the delays dont leave a bad taste even when the machines turn up.
Does anyone think the delay upon delay will hurt JJP's reputation in the market place ??? !@# !@# !@#
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Does anyone think the delay upon delay will hurt JJP's reputation in the market place ???
Initially - maybe, but subject to the publics reaction to a finished game it may only be a small percentage because initial frustration could quickly change if the game is successful. Providing JJP produce a string of high quality games (fun and appealing), continue to innovate and achieve their own set deadlines for future releases, long term I don't think so IMO.
I'm sure they will learn from a lot of things - what worked, what didn't etc, set up systems and procedures focusing on the long term.
It may initially hurt sales, but I'd say people that may be interested in buying a WOZ are holding of now until a finished product is released before committing.
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if the machines turn up, and the WOZ machine with its initial code is ho hum or a bit boring, the forums will be ablaze with pissed off people saying they waited all this time and it wasnt the huge game they expected....or it may be deemed a slow player cause code isnt finished enough...as they say, first impressions matter.
OR
will people just talk up the machine to save anyone saying something negative that might impact on resale value.....we will know soon enough if you start seeing Woz machines for sale all over the place quickly......
I think it has hurt them commercially, because they are extremely late, and people are pissed...less people will be putting money down in droves like the last title because it may take forever again...I think they have lost a large percentage of people who would have just purchased sight unseen...it may take 2 or 3 years to recover......but lack of information right now from JJP is doing them more n more hassles...
If the company was in Australia, I reckon a large percentage of Aussie Pinball members would be down there on Jacks door offering to help get things going....I know i would be offering to help out. I want to see them doing really well. I want to see the Hobbitt pinny asap as well as WOZ..
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Stands to reason that its not going to take forever again... it hasnt taken forever so far. 15 months of being paid up was mentioned?
Absolutely its been a learning curve for Jack - he openly admits that. The guy had to set up his own coil winding line..why?? I bet my arse he thought existing coil manufacturers would supply, but for some reason or another he was forced to set up his own. He has done this with many many parts for WOZ.. each adds a further delay. So why not use existing coils?? We dont know- he hasnt said but i bet its not a pretty story... maybe it will come out in the wash - who knows.
So the mountain was bigger than initially thought..... we all know that - he has been nothing but open and honest about all this which is why i wont hurt his reputation.
ALL pinballs come up for sale crap or not... whats crap to one is magic to another but thats a risk you are prepared to take when you pay up front for something unseen and unplayed.
I think it will live up to everything expected from it.. layout looks good.. lots of toys ( if thats your thing).. its fresh, shiny shiny and made to a point of meticulous detail.
So now he has his own FULL inhouse pinball manufacturing plant... despite this being not expected at the start, it does put him in a unique and fortunate position... control over every aspect and right under your nose.
Once WOZ is out of the way, he should be able to churn out machines at will and at a level of excellence that can be controlled
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I think The Never Ending Story would be a more fitting title for JJPs first pinny. All I can say is buyers of WOZ are a patient bunch.
Each time the due date gets moved, it is only 90 days. even I can wait 90 days
except this time, when the last date slipped due tho them having to redesign a board, I cannot see any way that a new designed board is going to be produced over the xmas new year period
so even the current 'end of Feb' will be missed (IMHO)
I am at the point where I now just don't care
I am tired of the fanbois oozing their love for the quality of the cabinet
I am tired of being reminde of Keiths past programming sucsesses
If somebody offered me the right amount of money, I would sell the thing unplayed
Are you saying you would sell your number now? What's the "right" money the game isn't even built or release yet! Wouldn't the right money be what you have paid for it :-)
Peter
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Bumper has 3 x WOZ LE unsold (or cancelled)....get a price off them...then negotiate hard......If anyone puts their WOZ up for sale soon after delivery, bumper might get stuck with stock for a long time ??
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I think it's fantastic that there is another manufacturer keeping pinball alive.
That said, given the debacle that went down with the MM remake, if I were a new player entering the market the last thing I would want to do is continually over promise and under deliver on a prepaid pin. Then start taking $$'s for the next one as well.
Not saying the situation or individuals are similar, but I sure as hell would want to avoid any potential comparisons.
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Does anyone think the delay upon delay will hurt JJP's reputation in the market place ??? !@# !@# !@#
I can only speak for myself, it is not the delays that have hurt JJP. I did expect that he would never ship back in December 2011
what pissed me off the most is him asking for payments for 'The Hobbit' before anybody has recieved their WoZ
I will not be buying this game because of this and Jacks answer posted on his private forum when qusestioned about it
I'm not a WOZ buyer, but I would find it almost offensive to ask for deposits on the second game, when his staff should be working 24 X 7 to get WOZ up and running and distributed.
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Another interesting thing about promoting the Hobbit pinball, is that you cost yourself orders on the WOZ std models......I thought it would have been smarter to push WOZ, and nothing but WOZ, get as many sales from that model as u possibly could, and only after you have wrung the neck out of every last Woz order, then promote Hobbitt....
But what can u do, he has to promote both models.......so its a hard one to know whether you should do it the Woz way only or promote both....
It keeps getting back to the same scenairio, this is a hard industry. Even Gary Stern says he still hasnt got the business model right after 30 plus years....
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In a position to get one of the WOZ LE unsold. What do members think would be a negotiable price, and should I go for it?
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In a position to get one of the WOZ LE unsold. What do members think would be a negotiable price, and should I go for it?
I do not think you will have any negotiating room
I would bet the seller is prepared to wait until someone meets his price
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An update I found re JJP.
They mention that they have just ordered 1500 board sets to put in the machines and that the boards might be ready by the end of Febuary 2013 ??
Seems very late in the piece to just be ordering/designing boards ????
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Wizard-of-Oz-to-hit-NYC---Code-Update-Video.html?soid=1104524641178&aid=KIP5wuJP2Qs
Anyway, something is happening, but with the design of the machine, with the boards being in the bottom of the cabinet, it would seem that the production is severely hampered without the boards to put in first, then everything else gets built around the steel box etc.
But they might just do everything else, and reopen the machines later, and fit the boards when they arive etc. Hope the final board design is 1 million percent tested or it could turn into a nightmare for Jack.
Apparently the code has been updated as well which is good.
Anyway, things are moving forwards.
Has JJP posted a delivery time for Australia as yet anywhere ?? !@# Its getting closer. Another 4 weeks and the boards will arrive at JJP, then i guess another month to produce some finished machines. Then shipping out here via boat, 4 more weeks, or Air-freight might make things quicker if the cost isnt too high.
Looking forward to hearing about the new code. ^^^
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I tried.
Had the 1500 boards article been posted here before ? !@#
Anyway,
Heres a example of jounalism that irritates me.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/doers/2013/01/jersey_jack_pinball_wizard_of_oz_pinball_is_dying_can_arcade_entrepreneur.html
Why do these people who know little, if anything about pinball say it is dying or dead, or needs life support and resus, because pinball worldwide is very healthy and has been for years. Also, do they not know that the pinball industry is huge in a dozen or more countries, with many many businesses thriving and growing, not to mention Stern who is growing and building thousands of machines per annum.
It would just be nice to see a article written by someone who actually has done their homework, or at least knows something more about pinball than the basics from 13 years ago.
Its frustrating that our hobby/pinball industry is described as almost dead, or that it needs saving. I think our pinball industry is a shining example how other industries are not doing so well, but our industry is doing well and the enthuisiasm for our products is at a all time high since the hey days of the 1990's.
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No, the constant asking about delivery and making a fuss about how they will be delivered is acting like a troll
When they are ready to ship, I am sure that this thread and pinside will be full of people posting 'About time'!! !! !!
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A good photo of someones WOZ.
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A good photo of someones WOZ.
It is a showroom of a distributor
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Anyway, something is happening, but with the design of the machine, with the boards being in the bottom of the cabinet, it would seem that the production is severely hampered without the boards to put in first, then everything else gets built around the steel box etc.
All playfield cables connect with easy disconnect plugs right to the back of the electronics box (ie. no plugging stuff directly into boards). Plus, the whole electronics box is held down with simple rubber ties and pops in and out of the cabinet with ease. So no, the location of the boards has nothing to do with having to wait to build.
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Are they waiting to build, or have they strarted.? I thought that artice said they were building some things or some machines.
It would be excellent if JJP had a dial in website where you could view the factory and see what is happening on the production floor.
Dialling into the companies DVR (Digital Video Recorder - Camera system) is as simple as typing in a web address and u can view the security video system live very easily. I have sold hundreds of these systems over the years. It would be fun dialling in and seeing WOZ machines in different stages.
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Something tells me Pete needs his WoZ sooner rather than later.... <..> !^!
Looking forward to playing one, the missus is also keen. I think this will be a fun game and i am liking what they are doing with the screen. Will be hard to play and not watch the great clips.
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I have sent a letter to JJP and have asked some questions about -
*current estimated production schedule (time to build a machine from start to stop) ie- hrs/days involved
*some general questions about the PC system that runs WOZ
*seafreight or airfreight options
*if full machines are getting built now, and the last item to go in will be the required computer board ? OR if they are waiting for the 1500 boards before production starts
*code update inclusions
*and any further info JJP may like to add for the Australian market/buyers
Hoping some of this info helps people like John(Dendoc) decide about purchasing, and any new info/news that will be good/helpful for the
Aussie AP members/and-or potential or existing buyers etc. ^^^
I am still excited about this release, and even more excited about the Hobbit release cause I reckon that is going to be one special pinball machine as well.
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UPDATE
I already recieved back a email from Jack at JJP.
They are building machines right now, with a schedule to have at least a minimum of a few hundred machines fully built and done by the end of Feb, til Mid March maximum.
They are not waiting for the boards, but are going flat out now and will simply add the final piece being the board when it comes in, then test, then ship the machines both by seafreight and airfreight to Australia. They are trying to consolidate all Aussie machines with the Bumpers order for ease of shipping and to keep costs right down.
They are building machines in short batches to deliver to various countries all at the same time. The USA isnt getting looked after first, then another country n another country n so on, but they are doing machines for all markets, and shipping at the same time so that everyone around the globe gets a percentage and a batch of machines each, according to the original purchase orders.
Jack did say things iether come into the factory early or late, but never on time.lol
Anyway, the JJP production floor is flat out, and they are into it big time which is great news.
Stay tuned for anything else i get as it comes in.
Cavey.
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Thanks for the info. Was the email written in blood and sworn on a stack of religious texts?
Not sure about the machines being shipped without the boards - is that right?
Starting to have second thoughts about waiting till others get theres before fully committing.....................
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Not sure about the machines being shipped without the boards - is that right?
Um.... where did he say they were shipping without boards? I don't see that anywhere. They're building now, when the get the boards they add them and ship.
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Whoops, I'm a dumb ass. the Ummpaloompas got me. (((
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I will add, I liked the enthusiasm that came thru from Jack in the JJP email.
This guy aint giving up and he is marching full steam ahead and nothing will stop him. Its the fact that he is a perfectionist that keeps shining thru time n time again. Rome wasnt built in a day, and creating a machine like this from scratch is a huge/monumental task.
As soon as the first one is done n out the door, the next title or two should be a walk in the park.
I also note, that the latest code update looks amazing. The advance top left corner graphics look awesome, and thats only a small percentage of what they have done graphics wise.
To answer your question John(Dendoc) wait til u see some WOZ LE machines arrive in Brisbane/Gold Coast, go n play one, and then u will truly know if the machine is for you. If it was like $6600 i would say take the punt, but for almost $9500 or more, it might be safer to wait. The LCD annimations and playfield LED lighting alone makes this machine excellent and out of this world already. Imagine 6 months after delivery n more code updates.
It should go down as one very very very special machine. ^^^
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UPDATE........
A friend in the USA emailed me and advised he will be getting his USA delivered WOZ machine on the 10th of March according to his USA Dealer....
I note, Oz the Great & Powerful Movie (remake of the original Wizard of OZ) is also being released on the 7th of March......
http://www.disney.com.au/oz/index.php
Is this a co-incidence ? !@# does anyone think the JJP production and release has been held up by the movies remake and release....? !@#
Would or did the powers to be with the licence want the movie to come out first, then the pinnys...?
a good question, will we ever know.
A link for the upcoming movie is enclosed. How amazing do the colours look. I can see why the JJP cabinet work is sooo clear now. Looks very sharp.
Also, see the angry tree in the middle of the link I attached...how perfectly close are the pop bumpers on WOZ playfield to that artwork. Very close.
(use left arrow on picture to scan accross to angry tree on far left of page)
http://www.disney.com.au/oz/index.php
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Saw the preview for this movie when i went to The Hobbit... does look good.
Middle of March i heard too
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It should be noted that Disney's Oz the Great and Powerful has nothing - repeat, nothing - to do with Warner's 1939 Wizard of Oz. Jack's license is with Warner, not Disney, so while there is certainly reason to want to ride on the Disney Oz publicity wave, the movie isn't holding them up.
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new WOZ video that a friend sent me, so i will share it here ofcourse.
notice the Stern test rig at the 5 minute 25 second mark of the video which a friend pointed out to me as well.....
also, I think JJP is still way way behind and probably alot more behind after watching the video. I thought the factory would be in absolute full swing by now, but as seen by the video, there is only a handful of staff in the whole building, and they dont have proper boxes like Stern to put the finished pinball machines into like they should be doing, versus wrapping a machine by hand....anyway, good video.
I thought WOZ stock would be hitting Australia (march) but it might end up being another few months ontop since full blown production at JJP still hasnt started by the looks of that video .......I wonder why they havent fired up the production line properly and filled it with production people, they must still be waiting for major components ??
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Thanks for posting the video.
Seems all a bit disturbing to me.
Drive all the way there to pick up the "first finalised machine with new software" and get another prototype because it's not ready yet! I would be pissed. They could have called and said it wouldn't be ready and did they want to wait for the final machine?
Not packed on arrival, and a bit of glad wrap to protect the cabinet? Those lower edges could get trashed when the vehicle goes over bumps with just a bit of wrap to protect them. Those who have NIB machines have seen how much foam padding is usually put on the corners for protection. Maybe this was some special deal, where no one was organised properly, but all seems a bit unprofessional.
And the instruction screen when started saying "Insert Paymet" - its almost Chinglish. Customised screen with something like "please insert $1 to start your adventure" would be better than "insert payment".
Whinge whinge. I know, just getting more and more dissapointed with the whole JJP saga. #(&
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new WOZ video that a friend sent me, so i will share it here ofcourse.
notice the Stern test rig at the 5 minute 25 second mark of the video which a friend pointed out to me as well.....
also, I think JJP is still way way behind and probably alot more behind after watching the video. I thought the factory would be in absolute full swing by now, but as seen by the video, there is only a handful of staff in the whole building, and they dont have proper boxes like Stern to put the finished pinball machines into like they should be doing, versus wrapping a machine by hand....anyway, good video.
I thought WOZ stock would be hitting Australia (march) but it might end up being another few months ontop since full blown production at JJP still hasnt started by the looks of that video .......I wonder why they havent fired up the production line properly and filled it with production people, they must still be waiting for major components ??
I wonder if it was a weekend? Seemed to be a lot in various stages of assembly on the assembly line but no one was working on it. Makes me wonder it it was shot out side of normal business hours.
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I was amazed at how freely these guys were allowed to video the premises. Are these guys ahead of schedule because it looks awfully quiet.
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On spooky's last podcast Charlie said they were screening runs of 200 playfields in 4 day periods and a big JJP distributor said he went to the factory and there was lots going on.
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At the 4mins 58 sec mark text on the screen pops up saying.
" I didnt know about the Hobbit at the time"
So the guy has either been living under a rock..or.... its an old video in which case whatever state of production the factory is in at time of filming has nothing to do with it now.
Rock.. or.. old?
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Thanks for posting the video Cavey. The cameraman seemed surprised they were getting a prototype so there must be a deal of some sort happening there. Maybe it's a profit share arrangement so JJP can promote the game on location in NYC.
The factory did seem quiet, so would seem safe to assume it was shot outside of normal hours. Even the carpark was empty.
Rock.. or.. old?
I'm going with old. Brett may be able to confirm the day it was shot?
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The video was only just taken. 10th Feb, 1 x week ago ONLY.....as per the person who uploaded it on to youtube. U can see the upload date, so its only a week or two old..
I note, every video or photoshoot for JJP looks the same, always a ghost town. Even the Pinball News article had the same look, very empty of workers. Something tells me it is still dead cause those 1500 motherboards havent arrived yet, and full production has not started. ??
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The video was only just taken. 10th Feb, 1 x week ago ONLY.....as per the person who uploaded it on to youtube. U can see the upload date, so its only a week or two old..
I note, every video or photoshoot for JJP looks the same, always a ghost town. Even the Pinball News article had the same look, very empty of workers. Something tells me it is still dead cause those 1500 motherboards havent arrived yet, and full production has not started. ??
No... thats when it was uploaded and we can assume that when it was uploaded the film maker did then know about Hobbit as the text tells us.
Uploaded 10th Feb.. but shot when?
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A pinball machine is a piece of electrical equipment that needs to be certified
The certification has only jus been made today
I do not know what the people in the video were expecting but no production games were going to be released until the certification process was conplete
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January 18th is the answer...Well thats when it went on JJP news feed anyway,
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Wizard-of-Oz-to-hit-NYC---Code-Update-Video.html?soid=1104524641178&aid=KIP5wuJP2Qs
Then underneath it says that JJP has had 900 preorders for LE Hobbit.
Seems its a rock situation and a month old clip.. also possible that by Jan18th many not back from Xmas break... who knows?
LOL- How could a distributor NOT know about The Hobbit?? I know we all did way before Xmas
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I wonder if they have the 1500 motherboards in as yet.......I am thinking NO, because wouldnt JJP do a press release to say that they have started full production and do a media press release showing photos or a video of everything in full production with the line full of machines and staff to ease the minds of waiting customers and others who are wondering what is/or isnt happening.....and whats with the glad wrap instead of proper shipping boxes ? are the proper boxes not ready yet also ? ......maybe they have a long way to go before they are fully organised etc....and they will still have to iron out bugs on the production line and any parts hassles/supply issues as they get things going.....rome wasnt built in a day.lol
If the part about certification only being completed in the last 24 hours is corect, then its correct that they probably havent started full production, hence the ghost town.....I am sure JJP will release something when full production starts, or when the motherboards x 1500 arrive etc.
Getting closer anyway.
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Driver boards aren't expected until sometime near the end of February. Also, that was a prototype machine merely going from NJ to NYC (not a long drive) to be put on location. As a prototype, I believe it remains the property of JJP.
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If JJP call it a final production model (which it probably is) and it breaks down, bad news travels fast, but if u call it a proto-type and it breaks down onsite, u have an excuse to cover any design faults....Unless the computer crashs etc, i cant see the JJP model doing anything majorly wrong and it shld run like a clock day in and day out since they are using all the latest n greatest hardware.
I wonder how many games the one atr Bumper Action has on it.....and if they have played it non stop for a whole day with lots of different players, just to give it a god flogging to see how she holds up....anyone here played the one at Bumper Action, or been past to look behind the curtain. ? !@#
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Certification started a while back .
Plastic wrap is just a temporary measure .
When was it filmed @.@ .
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I wonder how many games the one atr Bumper Action has on it.....and if they have played it non stop for a whole day with lots of different players, just to give it a god flogging to see how she holds up....anyone here played the one at Bumper Action, or been past to look behind the curtain. ? !@#
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I played it on 1/2/13 on the Friday pinball faith night. Each person there got to play one game, would have probably been 50 people there. The guy in front of me kept getting the ball stuck behind the door in the upper left mini playfield. The guys there had to keep removing the glass to get it out.
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I read that the WOZ at bumper is in the showroom for anyone to play! Which makes sense if they won't to promote it and sell more?
Peter
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I read that the WOZ at bumper is in the showroom for anyone to play! Which makes sense if they won't to promote it and sell more?
Peter
Hopefully your right Peter. makes sense if they want to promote and sell them to have one on the floor to play. Must drop in for a game next time I'm in south Melbourne.
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?? I thought someone said the other day on here that only people who had ordered one could play it and it was behind a curtain etc....they must have been joking then......We havent heard much about gameplay etc, and i would have thought the various members who had ordered one, would have posted about the game etc, but barely anyone has said much about the gameplay etc...I thought there were a good dozen buyers on AP etc...
Any of the regulars been down to play it ? !@#
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I wonder how many games the one atr Bumper Action has on it.....and if they have played it non stop for a whole day with lots of different players, just to give it a god flogging to see how she holds up....anyone here played the one at Bumper Action, or been past to look behind the curtain. ? !@#
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I played it on 1/2/13 on the Friday pinball faith night. Each person there got to play one game, would have probably been 50 people there. The guy in front of me kept getting the ball stuck behind the door in the upper left mini playfield. The guys there had to keep removing the glass to get it out.
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geez thats not a good look to be taking the glass off mid game %.%
Jack has stated on the WOZ forum that that ball stick issue has been addressed for new release games.... I guess that's why they site prototypes.. to find these types of issues
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?? I thought someone said the other day on here that only people who had ordered one could play it and it was behind a curtain etc....they must have been joking then......We havent heard much about gameplay etc, and i would have thought the various members who had ordered one, would have posted about the game etc, but barely anyone has said much about the gameplay etc...I thought there were a good dozen buyers on AP etc...
Any of the regulars been down to play it ? !@#
Yeah I'm told it was behind a curtain for buyers only when it first arrived but its now on the floor for anyone to play but I could be wrong. I'd be promoting the buggery out of it and trying to sell more and maybe they will when it starts shipping.
Peter
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I wonder how many games the one atr Bumper Action has on it.....and if they have played it non stop for a whole day with lots of different players, just to give it a god flogging to see how she holds up....anyone here played the one at Bumper Action, or been past to look behind the curtain. ? !@#
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I played it on 1/2/13 on the Friday pinball faith night. Each person there got to play one game, would have probably been 50 people there. The guy in front of me kept getting the ball stuck behind the door in the upper left mini playfield. The guys there had to keep removing the glass to get it out.
geez thats not a good look to be taking the glass off mid game %.%
Jack has stated on the WOZ forum that that ball stick issue has been addressed for new release games.... I guess that's why they site prototypes.. to find these types of issues
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No not a good look, but when I was in time zone Geelong a few weeks ago I got the highest score on Xmen the same way. Ball got stuck on the Rouge roll over and I kept shaking it to try and get it off. Bloody machine gave me 2 million for every shake! Blew the previous high score out of the water before I got my ball free! :D ?? I thought someone said the other day on here that only people who had ordered one could play it and it was behind a curtain etc....they must have been joking then......We havent heard much about gameplay etc, and i would have thought the various members who had ordered one, would have posted about the game etc, but barely anyone has said much about the gameplay etc...I thought there were a good dozen buyers on AP etc...
Any of the regulars been down to play it ? !@#
I'd be promoting the buggery out of it and trying to sell more and maybe they will when it starts shipping.
Peter
Agreed Peter. Pretty had to sell a car if you won't let anyone drive it. Why would pinball be any different? I would let anyone out of the store until they'd had a game.
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I wonder how many games the one atr Bumper Action has on it.....and if they have played it non stop for a whole day with lots of different players, just to give it a god flogging to see how she holds up....anyone here played the one at Bumper Action, or been past to look behind the curtain. ? !@#
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I played it on 1/2/13 on the Friday pinball faith night. Each person there got to play one game, would have probably been 50 people there. The guy in front of me kept getting the ball stuck behind the door in the upper left mini playfield. The guys there had to keep removing the glass to get it out.
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%.% That can't be good for site profits or the punters patience.
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I suppose that's the benefit of sited prototypes the feedback with issues helps for the full on released games.
Peter
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?? I thought someone said the other day on here that only people who had ordered one could play it and it was behind a curtain etc....they must have been joking then......We havent heard much about gameplay etc, and i would have thought the various members who had ordered one, would have posted about the game etc, but barely anyone has said much about the gameplay etc...I thought there were a good dozen buyers on AP etc...
Any of the regulars been down to play it ? !@#
Yeah I'm told it was behind a curtain for buyers only when it first arrived but its now on the floor for anyone to play but I could be wrong. I'd be promoting the buggery out of it and trying to sell more and maybe they will when it starts shipping.
Peter
+1 - It was hidden behind a curtain - just like the Wizard was hidden behind the curtain in the movie !
Great way to promote a NEW manufacturer with a NEW pinball - Hide it behind a curtain &^&. That's good business acumen !
Like most, I'll wait until an AP member invites me over for a game #@#
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Im hoping to go one better than that... ill be with Tony..ANT68 to help unload the container!
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Im hoping to go one better than that... ill be with Tony..ANT68 to help unload the container!
Road Trip !
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Driver boards aren't expected until sometime near the end of February. Also, that was a prototype machine merely going from NJ to NYC (not a long drive) to be put on location. As a prototype, I believe it remains the property of JJP.
You are correct. I said motherboards when i shld have said driverboards (arent u glad i am not building it or ordering parts otherwise i would have stuffed it up.lol)
Does anyone else know hom many other WOZ machines have been sited in the USA yet, or other countries etc.
Bumper got one, so I wonder if all the other countries got a few each as well ?
I am really looking forward to the light show on the WOZ. Sterns latest games look great, but this is going to look even better.
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Honestly not sure. I know there's one in the UK and one in Canada for sure... and I'm guessing maybe another dozen or two across the US at distributors. Plus, it seems like all the off-site staff have their own machines to work on as well.
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The new circuit boards have not yet arrived
Still no shipping date
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The new circuit boards have not yet arrived
Still no shipping date
Anyone surprised by that ?
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According to JJP, it was always going to be early March for the required boards.........
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I received a WOZ update yesterday from Bumper so thought I'd pass on the main part of it to AP members. Particularly for those who have ordered WOZ direct through Jersey Jack and may not have received an update:
Many unforseeable issues came to be during manufacture and Jack has been beside himself to complete the Pinball as soon as possible. My understanding is that all hurdles have now been completed and all safety and complience certificates for worldwide distribution have now been passed and signed off as of three days ago.
Word from Jack is well over 100 pins are fully built, just waiting for boards to arrive and be slotted in and we are away.
We have been told our first batch will be available to ship from New Jersey within the first 2 weeks of March (so three to four weeks) and the remainder of machines will be built 1 month from this time and be available to ship. It is approx 37 days on the water from this point.
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Getting close now ........ #@#
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I might have missed something so not sure about putting this out there....Is that a clue wotto? An easter egg per se?
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I might have missed something so not sure about putting this out there....Is that a clue wotto? An easter egg per se?
LOl- only if sarcasm comes chocolate coated
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I might have missed something so not sure about putting this out there....Is that a clue wotto? An easter egg per se?
LOl- only if sarcasm comes chocolate coated
Gav gets me - marry me Gav %.%
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Sounds pretty right me , it's getting closer day by day .
I'm getting the hint from Jack that things are coming along nicely .
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Word from Jack is well over 100 pins are fully built, just waiting for boards to arrive and be slotted in and we are away.
We have been told our first batch will be available to ship from New Jersey within the first 2 weeks of March (so three to four weeks) and the remainder of machines will be built 1 month from this time and be available to ship. It is approx 37 days on the water from this point.
as I posted above, Jack has stated that the boards have not arrived, so any shipping date is speculation
Sounds pretty right me , it's getting closer day by day .
I'm getting the hint from Jack that things are coming along nicely .
Ant, either there is a shipping date or there is not a shipping date
hints, nudges and winks are part of what has irritated me about this journey
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I might have missed something so not sure about putting this out there....Is that a clue wotto? An easter egg per se?
LOl- only if sarcasm comes chocolate coated
Gav gets me - marry me Gav %.%
Be gentle and its a deal
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Well, since we seem to be getting closer to their release, now might be a good time to ask if any of these will be sited in Australia for the general public to play (other than at the distributor).
Anyone got any info?
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Well, since we seem to be getting closer to their release, now might be a good time to ask if any of these will be sited in Australia for the general public to play (other than at the distributor).
Anyone got any info?
Thats actually an excellent question #*#
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I was told a new amusement centre here in Townsville that opened recently are getting one...will be very keen to go and pump some coins through
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Well, since we seem to be getting closer to their release, now might be a good time to ask if any of these will be sited in Australia for the general public to play (other than at the distributor).
Anyone got any info?
Excellent question. I'm looking forward to playing the game - but it would be great to know where to FIND one to play.
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The prototype is on the floor for the public to play now was kept seperate to give payed up buyers first games. Yes the ball gets stuck begind the castle gate. Jack has been notified of the issues.
Just wish they would hurry up and ship some sick to death of hearing about it...
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The prototype is on the floor for the public to play now was kept seperate to give payed up buyers first games. Yes the ball gets stuck begind the castle gate. Jack has been notified of the issues.
Just wish they would hurry up and ship some sick to death of hearing about it...
Thanks for the update Daniel, so Bumper is the destination for a test run!! Great the public can get a look. Wish I could give it a try, might have to wait for Pete to get his.
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I know a lot of people are sick of hearing about this game and just want it to be shipped, but I've recently been reading comments on another site about the code updates and some of the features from information trickling through.
A couple of cool things - Apparently Keith has said there will be at least seven multiball modes in the game. Also, a lot of people have been very concerned about the flipper strength to get up the ramps. A photo was posted on their facebook page to show the strength can be adjusted to suit individual player taste.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.190565110962093.49112.188992294452708&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=565042053514395&set=a.190565110962093.49112.188992294452708&type=3&theater
Code seems to be being updated on location every few days.
Anyone else know of any things of interest.
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There is a new video on JJP;s Facebook page.
Its the Mighty Oz / Wizard saying something about the mechanical experience of a Woz.
Its like a 10 second teaser advert for JJP.
Look at their JJP facebook page to see the new advertisement/video.
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I'm starting to like this game with every update , I'm not sure what's come over me lol but can't wait to see the finish product then I'll be very keen on hobbit.
Peter
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I'm starting to like this game with every update , I'm not sure what's come over me lol but can't wait to see the finish product then I'll be very keen on hobbit.
Peter
Don't you have to order the Hobbit now ? Sure you don't mind laying down lots of cash for number two pin before the first has been delivered ?
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I'm starting to like this game with every update , I'm not sure what's come over me lol but can't wait to see the finish product then I'll be very keen on hobbit.
Peter
Yeah, looks like a great all round package. What happens if this becomes a hit and people that haven't pre-ordered want to buy one? Excuse my ignorance, but will they be doing more runs of WOZ after the pre-orders have shipped?
For a title that is geared towards both collector and mass consumption, it seems rather limited with Bumper being the only place in Oz to get it. I suppose in time, more distributors will pick up JJ pinball machines after they've been market tested.
Cheers!
Adam.
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JJP have over 1000 hobbit LE's sold (pre-ordered).
Many people are commenting they believe the code for WOZ is much more advanced than what is being released. Time will tell I guess.
I've read elsewhere there are also meant to be 20 soundtracks to the game, but not sure if it's been officially confirmed.
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I just found this for the Hobbitt, the payment plan IS fully refundable which is good.
INITIAL DEPOSIT IS $1500
*All Deposits are fully refundable
Payment Schedule is as follows:
$1500-On or before 5/15/13
$1500-On or before 9/15/13
$1000-On or before 1/15/14
$1000-On or before 4/15/14
$1000-On or before 7/15/14
THE PRE-ORDER PRICE FOR THE GAME IS $7,500.00 PLUS ANY APPLICABLE TAX AND SHIPPING CHARGES
Freight and any applicable Sales Taxes are additional.
Dimensions:
Fully assembled (With legs on & Backbox up)
Height = 74.50”
Width = 28.75”
Depth = 55.50”
**Features Subject to Change**
PLEASE NOTE - YOU WILL ONLY BE CHARGED $1,500 AT THIS TIME, NOT $7,500.
Price: $7,500.00
Does anyone have any numbers of how many STD Woz models have been sold. I was told by Bumper it was less than half a dozen in Australia.
I wonder if the USA dealers have sold any Std Woz models ?
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Where does it say the payment plan is refundable..
It says that all deposits are refundable.. deposit is $1500.. then you go into payment schedule - no mention of this being refundable at all
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All monies paid towards the machine is a deposit for my liking.
I would be very surprised if the refundable bit didnt include all monies paid. It doesnt make sense to only include the initial payment only, otherwise the refundable bit becomes useless. People would be concerned about the machine running over a year or two, or about the design perhaps, or if someone had a unexpected medical or other expense and had to pull the pin...
I will send JJP a email and ask him specifically if all monies paid are refundable if I was to change my mind so to speak on a JJP title.
Stay tuned, but that is a good question Gav, because it is very vague on his website....... !@#
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Just watched the latest video of the gameplay an integration. WOW.
It is on PINBALLHEAD.com and those who have ordered will be totally stoked with this machine.
Absolutely fantastic looker, you will be happy you have waited so long.
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Its still a struggle to get the ball up the ramp *%* rest look ok
Peter
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You would think that with machines going out the door on two weeks there would be some discussion about shipping
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You would think that with machines going out the door on two weeks there would be some discussion about shipping
Yes you would think he would have some system all ready worked out with the delivery times and order of receiving them.
Does Jack think i have a container just waiting there for him to make his mind up.Not very good at sorting out the delivery department and it not like he hasent had any time to do it.
Sent a email last week and just got fogged of,starting to give me the shits now.
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Recieved a email back, all monies paid to a JJP title, are fully refundable. Whether u make the first payment, or the last payment, if u want to pull the pin, all monies are fully refundable via JJP if u paid JJP. People can buy the new Hobbitt title with some sort of peace of mind incase it runs over etc.
I am hoping JJP have shipping boxes ready n made to ship machines in, cause the last one wrapped in plastic only didnt cut the mustard.
Also, JJP have said they have 100 machines sitting and waiting for the computer boards, which is good, but that means they will ship apx 100 machines only, then they will have to build the other 900 machines etc. Someone said machines will be shipping in 2 weeks, yes, but probably not to Australia, cause both JJP and Bumper have said all aussie machines will ship together for efficiency purposes etc, unless someone individually demands to have their machine shipped seperately, which wouldnt make financial sense anyway, and would be too expensive to go it alone unless u already have a container primed to leave and full of other stuff.
If JJP build 20 machines a day, its 100 a week, or 10 weeks to build the outstanding machines. Say 12 weeks with hassles/sorting issues out etc.
I am predicting that machines wont be here til the end of May, allowing for the 35 days on the water, and time to build them, so thats apx 12 plus weeks away. Lets see how close we get.
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Maybe those redesigned boards have not come in yet
He should have contracted Homepin :D
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Maybe we miss understood Jack
Maybe it will be the shipping process that will start midMarch
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Good news, the boxes for the games are expe ted to arrive next week!!!!!!
I know my game will be all the better to play arriving in a fresh cardboard box :)
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Good news, the boxes for the games are expe ted to arrive next week!!!!!!
I know my game will be all the better to play arriving in a fresh cardboard box :)
It's taken em that long Pete the original cardboard boxes have broken down back to the earth... lol SORRY MATE COULDN'T HOLD BACK Hope you get it soon ;)
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Good news, the boxes for the games are expe ted to arrive next week!!!!!!
I know my game will be all the better to play arriving in a fresh cardboard box :)
Hope the boxes are widebody and not standard.
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Wont be long.....
Ummmm, u had better go search
Pinside and check the guy that spent some decent
time with the game as recent as 2 days ago #@#
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Wont be long.....
Ummmm, u had better go search
Pinside and check the guy that spent some decent
time with the game as recent as 2 days ago #@#
Quote from pinside:
Still no modes.
The game plays slow (TZ slow) but the shots can be hit with a clean attempt. I can totally see why people say the ramp is tough (it can be!) but it's not totally impossible either.
The LE version is running revision 58. Supposedly it was loaded Thursday prior to the show.
Of the two machines here, one has the Twister board and corresponding plastic, the other does not. The Twister lights do not correspond to anything, yet.
Yellow brick road is still in attract mode (and makes playing the ball difficult at times because it is SOOOO BRIGHT).
The two new additions that I was able to find (in a few lengthy games including two multiballs) were:
R-E-S-C-U-E now has an LCD animation.
The Wizard has some LCD love including his head and a "shoot the rollovers" subtext.
The game is still pretty far away.
There is no yellow brick road progression. It shows on the LCD,but not on the pf lights. Basically none of the pf status lights correspond to anything, yet. Horse of a different color either. (See: No modes)
The castle pf let's you open the door, but the ball comes right back out. The upper pf loop still does nothing.
The O-Z rollovers register on the LCD, but not on the lighting on the actual playfield.
The crystal ball does nothing. Not even the JJP logo anymore.
The game will lock balls, but there is no memory or ball detections working. For example: I locked two balls in one game... The next game I played, all three balls were release as though I had gotten multiball on my first ramp ride. Multiball didn't start, the game just released three balls.
That's about as specific as I can recall... Pm me questions if you want me to specifically look for, or try something for you while I'm at the machine later today. I WILL NOT ask about shipping ETA. It's a dead horse.
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Love the way so many people are so negative %.%
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Love the way so many people are so negative %.%
I didn't mean to be negative Dan was just posting WOZ info :-)
Peter
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$#$
Love the way so many people are so negative %.%
I didn't mean to be negative Dan was just posting WOZ info :-)
Peter
Lol. Not you Pete lol.
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$#$Love the way so many people are so negative %.%
I didn't mean to be negative Dan was just posting WOZ info :-)
Peter
Lol. Not you Pete lol.
+1
Not good talking about dead horses when there is a food packaging/label fiasco in Europe.
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(percieved) negativity is due to JJP overpromising and under delivering for more than a year.
HE put himself under this microscope and then turned up the dial.
Remember he wont release it with unfinished code either..
He said....best game ever, on time and complete.
Hence the scrutiny
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Noone cares what Gary is saying mate... everyone only cares about what Jack has to say about the release.
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If anyone has any info on JJP'S latest WOZ update, please share !
Refer post #1140 for that update.............already done.
LOL
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Spoke to bumper a standard WOZ is around the $8200-$8300 mark.
Peter
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(percieved) negativity is due to JJP overpromising and under delivering for more than a year.
HE put himself under this microscope and then turned up the dial.
Remember he wont release it with unfinished code either..
He said....best game ever, on time and complete.
Hence the scrutiny
That marketing slogan might come back and bite him on the arse.
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Spoke to bumper a standard WOZ is around the $8200-$8300 mark.
Peter
thanks for the update Peter
was that landed,
from my memory thats about the same as a premium acdc
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a little bit of info:
Was just talking to Gary Flower (famed pinball author and hall of famer) last night and he was chatting about how extraordianary the design is.
He estimates 6 Million has been poured into the project and the ruleset is so in depth that three other software guys have now been employed to help Keith with the final elements.
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Here is a photo of the Prototype machine(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/05/nebeny4a.jpg)
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Also had an article in MX newspaper if anyone was interested(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/05/yhezysup.jpg)
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Spoke to bumper a standard WOZ is around the $8200-$8300 mark.
Peter
thanks for the update Peter
was that landed,
from my memory thats about the same as a premium acdc
Landed I believe, I'm sure they won't mind me saying bumper have got 23% of the worldwide distributor sales so there's alot coming to Australia.
Peter
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Spoke to bumper a standard WOZ is around the $8200-$8300 mark.
Peter
thanks for the update Peter
was that landed,
from my memory thats about the same as a premium acdc
Landed I believe, I'm sure they won't mind me saying bumper have got 23% of the worldwide distributor sales so there's alot coming to Australia.
Peter
Correct - $8200-$8300 Landed is what I was just told. That is for a standard WOZ (as we have been discussing).
Thanks for the picture, Daniel - Is this a recent photo or is it in the showroom for the public to view ?
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Spoke to bumper a standard WOZ is around the $8200-$8300 mark.
Peter
thanks for the update Peter
was that landed,
from my memory thats about the same as a premium acdc
Landed I believe, I'm sure they won't mind me saying bumper have got 23% of the worldwide distributor sales so there's alot coming to Australia.
Peter
Does that include the ones from the people that went direct with Jack, before Bumper jumped on board. !@#
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23% of WOZ coming to Australia??... thats REALLY good figures and suprising i must say... seeing as weve been told they only managed to sell 1000 thats 230 of them coming here #@#
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23% of WOZ coming to Australia??... thats REALLY good figures and suprising i must say... seeing as weve been told they only managed to sell 1000 thats 230 of them coming here #@#
That's a huge figure - but does it really come as a surprise ? I'd be interested to know factual evidence of Stern's export numbers to Australia - if it is around 25% I would not be surprised.
WOZ figures clearly show that pinball is a growing and thriving industry in Australia. Imagine the figures if either company marketed and promoted ?
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Australians are noted "early adopters" of technology.
57% of us have smart phones, compared to USA (38%), UK (53.1%), France (40%), Italy (39%), Spain (37%), and Germany (32%).
We love to gossip, so don't need advertising, just show us a new toy, and if someone else has one, we'll grab one too thanks.
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Australians are noted "early adopters" of technology.
57% of us have smart phones, compared to USA (38%), UK (53.1%), France (40%), Italy (39%), Spain (37%), and Germany (32%).
We love to gossip, so don't need advertising, just show us a new toy, and if someone else has one, we'll grab one too thanks.
I have a smart phone cos when i asked for a normal phone that just rings and lets me make calls the girl laughed and told me they arent available anymore... my "smart" phone is not personal choice... so counteract this i refuse to have any "App" things, have not synched to my computer, have never updated it and have absolutely no idea how to use it to be honest.
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The 23% is of games sold though distributors
But that number is still over 100 machines
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I have a smart phone cos when i asked for a normal phone that just rings and lets me make calls the girl laughed and told me they arent available anymore... my "smart" phone is not personal choice... so counteract this i refuse to have any "App" things, have not synched to my computer, have never updated it and have absolutely no idea how to use it to be honest.
%.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
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Acdc LE 500 units and 100 came to Australia good % there to
Peter
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Must of been sleeping when the thread was started .
$10k maybe if Bumper was to profiteer , way before they got the Dist I spoke to Jack about this and he was totally against it ,price must be kept relevant.
Jack will sell anyone a WOZ or a Hobbit direct, no need to go through Bumper at all if you don't want .I will only go direct .
As for the standard Woz , I believe the figure is way over 200 sold.
I speak with Jack nearly every other day , things are coming along nicely .Shipping should be very soon ( weeks away )
First to pay is the first to play ^^^
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I speak with Jack nearly every other day , things are coming along nicely .Shipping should be very soon ( weeks away )
Jack has stated several time that shipping WILL start 15th March
are you saying that the date is being bumped again?
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I contacted JJP and they advised me I should go through bumper as well, and they passed on my contact to them. No mention of direct buying.
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PAPA does a WOZ instruction video
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Wow! Thanks Swinks, that looks awesome!
Never thought how good the LCD would be for adjustments etc, but the gameplay stuff (1 ball locked etc) really look good too.
Can't wait to see Stern play catch up with that!!
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Thanks Swinksy, what a excellent video. Makes the machine look awesome.
The only query, is the avail shots from the bottom 2 flippers, it seems 90 percent are straight up the middle to the top right ramp, and rarely do u get up the left ramp, but it would be great to see the gameplay from a different angle and another player as well shooting different shots etc.
I think people will be happy to see such a clear video for a change.
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Anyone else notice at 2:26 that the green powdercoat looks like it has completely worn away from the straight section of the main ramp? Or is it a trick of the light?
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Will look for the missing powdercoat... also, it does seem to be central ramp heavy for game play but the narrator does say that they will demonstrate a short game featuring the main multiball.. which from this video seems to be achieved via main central ramp
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On viewing a couple more times in 1080 high def it looks just to be a trick of the light.
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On viewing a couple more times in 1080 high def it looks just to be a trick of the light.
Damn light and its evil tricks....
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It's an Addams family in disguise.
Need another video now - RHS flipper shots up the main ramp.
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PAPA does a WOZ instruction video
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Very impressive, the make of this game looks high quality. Hopefully those lucky enough to have one coming their way don't have to much longer to wait.
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Just got this back from Jack .
Hi Tony
As is the policy here, the customer is the King. If they want to order from us or anyone else, they certainly can, how would anyone stop them?
Cannot stop a customer from making a choice.
Best Regards,
Jack Guarnieri
(732) 433-4333
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Just got this back from Jack .
Hi Tony
As is the policy here, the customer is the King. If they want to order from us or anyone else, they certainly can, how would anyone stop them?
Cannot stop a customer from making a choice.
Best Regards,
Jack Guarnieri
(732) 433-4333
Love Jacks approach...
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I can only see good attentions from Jack regarding buying from him or anyone . So if a distributor has a special on a JJP pinball in the US and you want to ship it over you just buy it .
Warranty will be held by the seller or Jack , Jack will not abandon anyone of his customers .
Free enterprise is a good thing .
I can see Stern changing soon too ? maybe but Stern will always keep a smile on AMD's dial *%* ( that's just my opinion )
I suppose one thing Jack and the buyer knows is that they have a secure contract in place between them , and funds to go against it .
As for fully featured pinballs , there will be nothing half baked as Jack said ,so that means no pro's .
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thanks for the update Ant
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a little irrevelant but there is a guy in Central Coast (between Newcastle and Sydney) that offers the service of fully importing a machine for $500 up to the vlalue of $5k. The $500 includes everything and you just go and pick it up from his property - down side you have to be within a couple of hours travel to be an advantage.
I don't agree with only one distributor in the country, there should be an allowance for one in each state, just like in the US there are heaps of distributors across the country, more distributors means a better price and a local guy to deal with. And personal don't see that it has to be a shop front, as it could be a small warehouse and display area, which is similar to what AMD is.
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The more distributors (including the manufacturer) the better. At the end of the day so long as the warranty is honoured then it does not matter who you buy it from.
Stern need a big shake up on this front. We need to see increased competition in Australia, which will not only mean lower prices here but also increased exposure of pinball. Marketing dollars will need to be spent and there will be more shop fronts for potential customers.
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The more distributors (including the manufacturer) the better. At the end of the day so long as the warranty is honoured then it does not matter who you buy it from.
Do you know what warranty JJP will provide ? As far as Stern goes, the warranty for a NIB is very ordinary in my opinion, compared to the warranty that comes with most other goods you buy.
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The more distributors (including the manufacturer) the better. At the end of the day so long as the warranty is honoured then it does not matter who you buy it from.
Do you know what warranty JJP will provide ? As far as Stern goes, the warranty for a NIB is very ordinary in my opinion, compared to the warranty that comes with most other goods you buy.
Warranty is only as good as the piece of paper it is written on. AMD has provided LEDs free of charge more than 12 months after NIB purchase. I would like to see the Central Coast importer do the same support free of charge.
A good distributor will always look after a loyal client even after the paper warranty has faded.
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The more distributors (including the manufacturer) the better. At the end of the day so long as the warranty is honoured then it does not matter who you buy it from.
Do you know what warranty JJP will provide ? As far as Stern goes, the warranty for a NIB is very ordinary in my opinion, compared to the warranty that comes with most other goods you buy.
Warranty is only as good as the piece of paper it is written on. AMD has provided LEDs free of charge more than 12 months after NIBBLE purchase. I would like to see the Central Coast importer do the same support free of charge.
A good distributor will always look after a loyal client even after the paper warranty has faded.
The Central Coast Importer was just for reference for the cost to bring into the country and he still is making money on that. He isn't a distributor but just offers a service to anyone that wants to ship a pin or motorbike from the US to Aus. He fills up a container and brings it over and just keeps repeating.
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Warranty is only as good as the piece of paper it is written on. AMD has provided LEDs free of charge more than 12 months after NIB purchase. I would like to see the Central Coast importer do the same support free of charge.
A good distributor will always look after a loyal client even after the paper warranty has faded.
That may be the case for some LEDs and i would fully expect that considering the cost of them. I'm talking about the 3 or 6 month warranty you receive for the more expensive parts of the machine. I get a better warranty on a $1000 tv compared to what i'm offered on the $6200 NIB i bought.
I can't think of anything else i've bought that doesn't have at least a 12 month warranty as a minimum.
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Yes Niño
This was a photo I took using the tapatalk APP
Machine is always on the floor but had it upstairs for some maintenance at the time.
Was good to need Delarge aswell he came upstairs for a game.
Hope you enjoyed the concert adam
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I was just sent an email from Jack , He wants to make sure all WOZ buyers are part of the JJP forum.
Tony
Can you ask all buyers of JJP games - no matter who they ordered from to email jen@jerseyjackpinball.com so they can be added to the JJP Google Group please.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Jack
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A new link from the USA re a pinball show.
Poor ACDC - at least you get a fleeting glimpse of it.
http://www.wdrb.com/category/163829/fox-41-video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8578396
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I just got back Bumper. Made a special trip down to check out WOZ see for myself what all the hype is about.
Anyway Bumper was closed for some reason maybee the long weekend so I walked down the road to south Melbourne market and brought myself a crayfish.
Mmmmmmmm crayfish arghhhhhhhhhh. &&
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A new link from the USA re a pinball show.
Poor ACDC - at least you get a fleeting glimpse of it.
http://www.wdrb.com/category/163829/fox-41-video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8578396
Wish Australia had these! WOZ that background sounds makes you want to top yourself lol
Peter
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I just got back Bumper. Made a special trip down to check out WOZ see for myself what all the hype is about.
Anyway Bumper was closed for some reason maybee the long weekend so I walked down the road to south Melbourne market and brought myself a crayfish.
Mmmmmmmm crayfish arghhhhhhhhhh. &&
It's Moomba weekend. You can watch the parade!
Used to love watching the waterskiing on the yarra during moomba. It's the biggest waterski tournament in the world! and the jump crashes are spectacular (for the goulish amoungst you)
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A new link from the USA re a pinball show.
Poor ACDC - at least you get a fleeting glimpse of it.
http://www.wdrb.com/category/163829/fox-41-video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8578396
Wish Australia had these! WOZ that background sounds makes you want to top yourself lol
Peter
It would make a killing if put on site during the Mardi Gras. Would pay for itself in one night.
It does look very well done, but the screen size looks like it should be in a lounge room. Even the reporter made a comment on how he can't watch the
screen because he's too busy concentrating on the ball.
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On Friday we updated the WOZ some good new features but still needs more tweaks before it heads back to the floor. The witches feet are pretty cool
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Hi guys some good WOZ news the prototype has the updated game code now installed giving it some rules. Shaker motor is now active witches feet pop out of the house and more videos etc.
It's in the (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/12/gu7y2ume.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/12/penyga6e.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/12/be5u5ety.jpg)showroom for any interested parties to have a few games
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how about a video daniel? $#$
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is bumper now a sponser? &&
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No bumper are not a sponsor these are for those interested in seeing the photos. Don't even think I mentioned there name ?
If I get a chance ill try make a video tomorrow
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looks good mate,just stiring the pot &&
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is bumper now a sponser? &&
No they are not.
Daniel has been kind enough to post pictures for the benefit of WOZ pre order customers and any prospective customers that may be interested in ordering the machine. I'm sure we are all grateful for Daniel's time in sharing the the photos.
^^^
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is bumper now a sponser? &&
No they are not.
Daniel has been kind enough to post pictures for the benefit of WOZ pre order customers and any prospective customers that may be interested in ordering the machine. I'm sure we are all grateful for Daniel's time in sharing the the photos.
^^^
Thanks Nino
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i was not having a go,nino,i am a prospective customer.
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i was not having a go,nino,i am a prospective customer.
All good Damien ^^^ I know what you were referring to. ^^^
I hope you buy a WOZ #@#
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i was not having a go,nino,i am a prospective customer.
All good Damien ^^^ I know what you were referring to. ^^^
I hope you buy a WOZ #@#
i will wait for the second hand market.lol. &&
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Some may have noticed talk on another forum - when the WOZ arrives, any guests who wish to play it must present in WOZ fancy dress. Otherwise, they are obviously not keen enough on the game. The gayer the better.
When mine arrives, I'll issue the unpacking invitiation, and fancy dress all round please.
$#$ $#$ $#$
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Daniel (Ddstoys)
question - how was the WOZ machines software upgraded ??, was it just a usb stick and a similar procedure to how you would update a stern ?? !@#
thanks.
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is there another forum? @@*
Lol nice one
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Some may have noticed talk on another forum - when the WOZ arrives, any guests who wish to play it must present in WOZ fancy dress. Otherwise, they are obviously not keen enough on the game. The gayer the better.
When mine arrives, I'll issue the unpacking invitiation, and fancy dress all round please.
$#$ $#$ $#$
I would at least compromise an let the KISS fans come in full makeup
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Some may have noticed talk on another forum - when the WOZ arrives, any guests who wish to play it must present in WOZ fancy dress. Otherwise, they are obviously not keen enough on the game. The gayer the better.
When mine arrives, I'll issue the unpacking invitiation, and fancy dress all round please.
$#$ $#$ $#$
I would at least compromise an let the KISS fans come in full makeup
only if they wear ruby slippers as well !*!
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(http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs141/1104524641178/img/243.jpg)
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Daniel (Ddstoys)
question - how was the WOZ machines software upgraded ??, was it just a usb stick and a similar procedure to how you would update a stern ?? !@#
thanks.
Ok, got the answer, thankyou !
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March 13, 2013
Greetings Pinball Fans,
Jack is currently in Rimini, Italy at the International Amusement & Gaming Show, Enada. Two Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines are in Technoplay's Booth.
We are proud to announce that Tecnoplay is the exclusive JJP Distributor in Italy! Tecnoplay's, Mauro and Emanuela's history is in Zacarria Pinball and they have been amazing supporters of JJP. We expect great things in Italy for many years to come.
The IFPA ITALY (International Flipper Pinball Association) is the first to do a WOZ Tournament, which took place today during the show! Congratulations to Alessandro Rea, the First Place WOZ Winner.
The game is being seen and played by hundreds of people including Italy's #1television network. "The response to WOZ at the show has been amazing. We couldn't be more excited to be getting games out the door and into our customers' homes and arcades very soon!", says Jack.
(Left to Right) Mauro Zaccaria (Owner of Tecnoplay), Alessandro Rea, (1st place WOZ Winner), Jersey Jack.
Tournament Play IFPA Italy at Enada
We are happy to reveal the Jersey Jack Pinball Shipping Box. Good News! The game weighs in at 320 pounds without the box. This particular game is on its way to our Programmer, Ted Estes, who has been assisting Keith with WOZ.
This coming weekend, 3 Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines will be at the Texas Pinball Festival in Dallas. JJP Employees, Butch Peel and Eric Meunier will be in attendance as well as our Distributor, FUN Billiards. Visit this link to find out more about the show - http://texaspinball.com/tpf/. Jack will be heading home from Italy and will be calling in via Skype from the factory floor on Saturday morning to talk to the Texas crowd.
The games that will be at the Texas Pinball Festival will have the latest released code version which has the Multiball system fully implemented, power options added for most coils in the game including bumpers, slings, flippers and poppers, trough and auto launch, start of implementing Audits, Ball save options, options to release balls held in lock or not, the implementation and choreography of the shaker motor, and perhaps some more surprises.
We will also be at the Amusement Expo, AMOA in Las Vegas on March 20-22 with a couple WOZs. www.amusementexpo.org
When real production games ship later this month, it will be a game with ongoing software development and easily installable updates occurring on a regular basis.
We are also very excited to be showing up in some mainstream publications. JJP was featured in this month's issue of Fortune Magazine. You can find the full article/photos by clicking here.
There is also a great article about Jersey Jack Pinball that recently went live on Polygon.com. The story written by Chris Plante is very in-depth and covers JJP and WOZ from inside the factory. Click here to view the full article.
Also....We want to wish WOZ Game Designer, Joe Balcer a very Happy Birthday! Have a great day Joe!
Do you have a Facebook/Twitter Account?
Be sure to "Like" and "Follow" us!
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When real production games ship later this month, it will be a game with ongoing software development and easily installable updates occurring on a regular basis.
The game wont be shipped with finished code, but i expected all along it couldnt be done with fully finished code.
The question is, will it update via USB stick or Wi-Fi well down the track ??
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When real production games ship later this month, it will be a game with ongoing software development and easily installable updates occurring on a regular basis.
while I would love to be proved wrong, I just cannot see Jack shipping the machines out this month
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When real production games ship later this month, it will be a game with ongoing software development and easily installable updates occurring on a regular basis.
while I would love to be proved wrong, I just cannot see Jack shipping the machines out this month
When do we want to start counting the sleeps ? @@^
I'm looking forward to having a game, Pete #@# #@#
^^^
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Brett , don't forget the the WOZ has a very deep rule set etc etc , Keith's been on this for more than a year , unlike Stern's half bake effort .
How long have buyers been waiting for Xmen upgrades and and and and .
Jack may release this game almost complete , I can,t see that been an issue .
Don't forget he has heaps more on the play field !
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......when the WOZ arrives, any guests who wish to play it must present in WOZ fancy dress. Otherwise, they are obviously not keen enough on the game. The gayer the better.
When mine arrives, I'll issue the unpacking invitiation, and fancy dress all round please.
$#$ $#$ $#$
Haven't had a chance to wear my Dorothy costume for awhile.. #@# #@#
Then again might get confused and come as baby Jesus. %.% %.%
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I doubt it very much that this game will ship with 100% complete code.
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Brett , don't forget the the WOZ has a very deep rule set etc etc , Keith's been on this for more than a year , unlike Stern's half bake effort .
How long have buyers been waiting for Xmen upgrades and and and and .
Jack may release this game almost complete , I can,t see that been an issue .
Don't forget he has heaps more on the play field !
Totally agree. No pinball machine ever ships with complete code, and even if someone did say that it was complete, we all know there will be a revision shortly thereafter because players find faults or areas that need to be addressed. Alot of people have said JJP wont ship a machine without complete code, and JJP isnt like everyone else, but the realities are, that releasing pinball machines with finished code is almost an impossibility.
Can anyone name a pinball machine that never ever had a code update done which was a perfect machine, not needing adjustments, I have never heard of one ever.....
People need to get used to the fact that pinball code is an evolving species, designed to be tweaked here n there as time goes on. There is nothing wrong with code updates, just like your home or work computer, its a normal part of life so expect it and embrace it cause it makes pinball machines better.
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Brett , don't forget the the WOZ has a very deep rule set etc etc , Keith's been on this for more than a year , unlike Stern's half bake effort .
How long have buyers been waiting for Xmen upgrades and and and and .
Jack may release this game almost complete , I can,t see that been an issue .
Don't forget he has heaps more on the play field !
Can we have a discussion without the need to constantly bad stern it's getting really boring.
Peter
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Can anyone name a pinball machine that never ever had a code update done which was a perfect machine, not needing adjustments, I have never heard of one ever.....
Yep... pretty much every machine ever made before about 2003, so about 100 years worth of machines. Code updates were introduced by STERN and accepted by the buyers who were glad for anything coming out of a factory.. any factory.
You the buyers accepted it and now its the norm.. personally i dont like it one bit. As far as im concerned, if it needs an update then it wasnt finished.. quite simple
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I think we need to differentiate between 'tweaks' which fixes minor faults in game code (changing a sound or light sequence for example) and major code updates (for example the inclusion of a previously missing mode or award).
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Brett , don't forget the the WOZ has a very deep rule set etc etc , Keith's been on this for more than a year , unlike Stern's half bake effort .
How long have buyers been waiting for Xmen upgrades and and and and .
Jack may release this game almost complete , I can,t see that been an issue .
Don't forget he has heaps more on the play field !
Can we have a discussion without the need to constantly bad stern it's getting really boring.
Peter
Well I do have quite a few NIB Sterns , and I do support Stern, just my point of view from pass experience , that's all .
I also bag the inflated prices we are paying here .Nothing wrong with that is there ?
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Can anyone name a pinball machine that never ever had a code update done which was a perfect machine, not needing adjustments, I have never heard of one ever.....
Yep... pretty much every machine ever made before about 2003, so about 100 years worth of machines. Code updates were introduced by STERN and accepted by the buyers who were glad for anything coming out of a factory.. any factory.
You the buyers accepted it and now its the norm.. personally i dont like it one bit. As far as im concerned, if it needs an update then it wasnt finished.. quite simple
Gav, the reason I thought that every pinball machine has had code updates after release, is that i have looked up the 40 plus DMD pinnys I have on the Internet Pinball Data Base, and all of them, and all different manufacturers starting from 1989 thru to 2013 have various code updates listed.
So I was under the impression that 99 percent of DMD machines had code updates, and many of them after production.
I wasnt really referring to pre DMD or pre say 1988 cause I dont know how earlier models like my 1978 Phoenix by Williams got updates etc, but can u see what I mean about the IPDB etc ?, was I right about that ??
and how does SS or earlier stuff with Led score screens get updated, is it a rom ?? I am assuming pre SS stuff was mechanical ??
It would be good to know this stuff and I am sure others might be wondering also ?? !@# !@#
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Cavey.. you cant include a software update cos someone wants to shove LED into a machine that was designed to have incandescent.. thats not a software update on a game due to incompletion.. its the owner wanting to put something into a machine that it was never designed for.... completely different species
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sorry, u misread me, i meant pre 1989 machines with LED displays like say Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (although its a 1990 machine) but i meant machines pre DMD screens, machines during the eighties, how did they get software updates, was it a rom like 1990s dmd pinnys, and did u get my point about almost every dmd pinny having many code updates after production all listed on IPDB.
so i couldnt work out whay u thought no machines prior to stern machines didnt have code updates when almost all 90's dmd machines did have....see IPDB ? !@#
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I am not sure if code updates and software updates is the same thing but a large portion of SS machines and dmd machines have game software updates done because there are mistakes / hiccups in the first version of the software.
they just add extra setting and functions, or make things run a little or a lot smother in a lot of the rom updates.
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DMD = any machine with a DMD. Not an alphanumeric (Funhouse) - even though it is a WPC.
SS is anything from 1978 ish to Funhouse.
Operators NEVER bothered with code updates at the start of the DMD era. They simply didn't exist on Bally / Stern / Williams. What left the factory remained the same. There were changes on DMDs - ST TNG comes to mind as a very buggy game when it was released because the rules were so deep. Cactus Canyon is the only title where there was seriously unfinished code. But no game in this era left the factory with unfinished code. That's issue has only just started recently with Stern (and now JJP). I think we will see games produced with unfinished codes, but perfectly playable - AC/DC is an example. What Stern are doing is they are trying to improve the game by accepting feedback from operators and home buyers. I don't see this as a bad thing, because cost cutting by Stern in the mid 2000's meant that once a game was finished, no more development $ went back into improving the software, or attending to any bugs. The book was closed for that title UNLESS it was affecting earnings. So I see it as a good thing that Stern will revisit code on new releases, as they are receptive to feedback. What I don't want to see is the deliberate release of a title with unfinished code to beat the competitor to the next release. I accept teething problems and revisions, but not wholesale changes with 100 fixes..
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i do agree that operators didn't bother with any software updates, but not all ss and dmd machines left the factory with the same software revision.
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When u look at alot of the Sega machines (stern prior to stern) there are multiple code updates on almost every release, same with all the other manufacturers during the 1990's DMD era. If u look up almost any title on the Internet Pinball Data Base, they all have software updates, even Bally/Williams, Gotlieb, Data East, Sega, you name it.
So, to me, this code upgrading has been going on well before Stern called themselves Stern again in the late nineties, 2000 etc.
The code updates for Avengers is huge etc, wait til u see the code updates for WOZ, they will be just as big, because as ANT said, this game has alot of hardware and a million things to do during gameplay.
Without any doubt, I reckon WOZ will be the most advanced Pinball Machine ever made to date.
I will be a buyer again for sure, IF the local price is reasonable. Bringing one in direct from JJP may be worth investigating very soon as well.
I will have to settle for a std model, but maybe I can get JJP to pimp it out with extra stuff to make it very close to a LE...... !@#
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Another recent article
http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/2/28/4036620/jersey-jack-wizard-of-pinball
various links on ths page worth clicking on, most of the links are simply unerlined
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Enada-Show---Texas-Pinball-Festival---AMOA---First-Boxed-Game-Ships-.html?soid=1104524641178&aid=gSDub5L_NfU
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I like where Jack says:
Guarnieri gives the example of a recent AC/DC themed pinball machine. "If you didn't know any better, you might think it was built ten years ago. There's nothing about it that says it was built yesterday."
It kind of reminds me when a critic once said to Angus Young that seventeen ACDC albums all sound the same. Angus then said to him "that's eighteen albums".
Jack, what you said is precisely why ACDC is still a good seller.
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Hopefully wont be long now.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/16/me6eqesa.jpg)
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Hopefully wont be long now.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/16/me6eqesa.jpg)
Nah.. its just a box or maybe JJP fridge?
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that machine is being sent to one of the programmers
no JJP customer has yet been notified of shipping costs
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new topper?
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/photos/114008178429508839112/album/5855998979770205761/5855998977667197826?cbp=pnhkuj7xov14&gl=us&hideloc=1&hl=en&group=b0&sview=20
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Looks better than the current topper. Which model is this for?
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Looks better than the current topper. Which model is this for?
I think it is for the LE
it has been made by Laseriffic
It does sem to be one piece, and the differing colors are from the LEDs
so maybe the cauldrons will have a neat fire effect *!@
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something a guy made from the woz forum.
he has used multi-coloured rope light behind the translite, but you could use just white rope light.
https://plus.google.com/photos/108166452760929221118/albums/5856121848690728417#photos/108166452760929221118/albums/5856121848690728417
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I think it is for the LE
it has been made by Laseriffic
It does sem to be one piece, and the differing colors are from the LEDs
so maybe the cauldrons will have a neat fire effect
Very happy to see a different topper. I think like a lot of other people I was a bit disappointed with the original one.
Can't wait to see how they make it 'interactive' - A fire effect would be really cool.
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I note that 13/3/13 has been and gone #@#
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I note that 13/3/13 has been and gone #@#
Xmas is coming too
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And still no word about cost/method of shipping
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Jack has said they are going to aim to do 15 to 20 machines a day to start with, and then try to get up to 60 machines a day which is what his efficiency expert is telling him. ??
I doubt 60 a day will ever be achieved, not on their first pinball title, not even Stern does that amount and they have been building machines for 13 years in their current building, not to mention all the previous experience etc. (Stern say they now do up to 45 machines a day when they call in alot of extra casuals for a big run) so its doubful JJP will be hiitting 60 a day with a widebody. I mean its not impossible, its just how many people JJP are going to throw on the pinball production line. ?? !@#
So if JJP do say 15 machines day, its going to be 66 days to get things done for the 1,000 LE models.
If they run the line 5 days a week, its going to be just over 13 weeks, bar any major product or line hassles, to build the 1,000 LE models.
So if someone wants a maximum delivery date/time for their WOZ, call it a maximum of 3 and a half months from when they start the production line properly, plus say 8 or 10 weeks on the water. Maximum of say 22 weeks from production start if your order was done toward the end, versus the start. OR shave 8 or 9 weeks off that if u got your machine built at the startish period. Depends on when u ordered n payed for your machine.
if the next title, Hobbit is mid 2014, what is the JJP factory going to do for that very long vacant time once WOZ models are finished n all out the door. Its a long time empty after WOZ but before Hobbit. ?
Is anyone thinking of any cool mods to do to their WOZ machine ?
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I just realised, Jack has got at least 400 more machines to build over n above the LE models.
I would expect he might get another 200 or even 400 more Std Woz sales minimum once people play the WOZ and realise how amazing the game is going to be.
That will give him probably another 2 or 3 months of production line time, and perhaps he will start production on the Hobbit earlier than later to keep the line going etc. Programming can be added last n everything else can be done depending on how far along they are design wise. (anyone here placed a deposit for the Hobbitt out of interest ?)
I saw an update on the WOZ programming and the wicked witch is flying around on her broomstick in the top left corner of the LCD in full colour, this looked amazing, and then at the end of the game, the witch sign writes game over on her broomstick with black smoke. How very cool.
I think these cool videos are just the tip of the iceberg as to how unreal this game is going to be. I have just become a LCD convert. Dam it looks great.
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gee there is some complainers on the JJP Woz forum site. dont get me wrong, there is alot of great people too, but its hard reading when someone is busting Jacks balls over the most minute thing known to man. one bloke asks about a woz manual from xmas, i mean he only waited 3 and a half months to complain about it not being ready at xmas.
I feel sorry for Jack, he has dozens upon dozens of people wanting to know the ins n outs of every finite thing known to man, people pressing for exact hours of exact days n dates, why this, why that, how come this, how come that, why did some other place know something before the Woz forum etc, its a wonder the poor bloke gets any work done, he must feel bombarded to buggery.
I reckon he will have a sigh of relief the size of a mountain the day the last woz rolls out the factory, then he will get bombarded to buggery again over code questions n updates n every other thing known to man.
He must be thinking this pinball malarky is one hell of a tough business.lol with very very hard task masters for the buyers.
I now know why Gary Stern has bright grey hair.lol
Then there are the discussions about the toppers, and another million questions n people making suggestions on how it should be.
What ? ever happened to just opening the WOZ box and gettting a HUGE fun surprise.
Would u want to know every detail, or would u want everything to be a total surprise ? (me - I would want to be surprised).
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Well I guess that's what happens when you talk yourself up set dates then don't deliver.
Must say the manual is nice
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I don't feel sorry for jack and I bet most who put money down don't either, he needs to deliver and fast.
Peter
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I am sure he has done the absolute best he could. The Hobbitt title will benefit from all the initial lessons which is a good thing.
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For the WOZ bashers - an employment opportunity. ^^^
http://regionalhelpwanted.com/search/detail.cfm?sn=14&id=81725101
Anticipating the obvious, I dare say Stern would pay a similar rate for semi skilled labour....
Have to love US labour laws.
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For the WOZ bashers - an employment opportunity. ^^^
http://regionalhelpwanted.com/search/detail.cfm?sn=14&id=81725101
Anticipating the obvious, I dare say Stern would pay a similar rate for semi skilled labour....
Have to love US labour laws.
$9 per hr.......wtf... :lol
There must be a stack of illegal immigrants keen to take the gig.
Then jjp and stern can debate about who has the crappiest cheap arse workers.
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For the WOZ bashers - an employment opportunity. ^^^
http://regionalhelpwanted.com/search/detail.cfm?sn=14&id=81725101
Anticipating the obvious, I dare say Stern would pay a similar rate for semi skilled labour....
Have to love US labour laws.
How do u get absolute quality workmanship at those rates. ??
If the machines come with loads of faults, we will all know why. $9 an hour. ? lol but, I am sure they will be fine......
12 years ago, a friend went to work in the USA at a very low end Los Angles Bar, and was getting $15 per hour back 12 yrs ago, plus was making apx $20 per hour in tips on a real bad night.
Fast forward 12 yrs, and u are working on your feet for 8 hrs at $9 an hour on cement...?
Someones making millions and someone is making peanuts. Maybe its just me, but anyone I have ever employed, I have always tried to pay the most, not the least if I could. A sign of the times ??
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Just a single example of the bigger picture of US labour laws as it pertains to semi skilled or unskilled labour.
Minimum wage in New jersey is 7.25/hour and 8.25 in Illinois.
Aus is 15.96.
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I think the rate u mentioned for Australia is permanent, and is that an Aust adult ?, cause I recently got figures to employ someone permanent casual who was an adult and it was like $22 an hour minimum, plus super plus plus plus.
Those rates in the USA, who honestly works for those rates ? are they realistic, or just some technical minimum that is in some book, but everyone says no way hosay to ?
I would really love to know what people honestly say when someone offers them $8 or $9 an hour, do they laugh n just get up n walk out, or do they say thankyou ? any USA members here to throw some light on the subject....
Australia is THE BEST country on the planet.
How many people at $9 an hour will be on the JJP line. 50, 100 ? Time will tell.
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Yes, that is FT per hour rate for Aus to keep it comparable with the US figures. Casual wages attract a base loading rate of an additional 23% above minimum.
Interesting reading below:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
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Your article says alot about America.
My brother often tells me America is a broken country. I ask him, broke, or broken ?, for which he always replies, Both ! lol
If JJP and Stern can build machines for $9 an hour good on them, but now I know why my last BNIB did NOT work when i took it out of box and I had to fix multiple things over a 3 day period, before I could play my first game. 3 days to play the first game, I kid u not.
Thats $9 an hour raring its unhappy head........
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I'd still work there for $9 an hour. At least I could say I have worked in the pinball industry ()
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Have just been talking with Jack ,he wants to all WOZ & TH buyer to contact him direct with their information .
He's making a registrar of all of his pinball buyers .
Please see below .
Tony
Greetings every JJP customer down under in the real Land of Oz.
As we get closer to shipping your real games, no matter who you ordered from, I ask that you e mail me directly with the following information:
Name, shipping address, game name, ECLEWOZ, WOZ or THLE and your number if you know it.
This will be a pre-registration as we are doing this with our European customers as well.
Best Regards,
Jack Guarnieri
President & CEO, Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc.
(732) 364-9900 x 201
(732) 433-4333 - Direct
www.JerseyJackPinball.com
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I would have thought those detail would have been taken with the deposits lol
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? So no we have to go running after him?
He did not have a problem contacting us when a payment was due
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Its getting truly pathetic now @.@
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What is a 'Pre-registration' anyway?
Surely we registered ourselves when we foolishly sent thousands into his bank account
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What is a 'Pre-registration' anyway?
Surely we registered ourselves when we foolishly sent thousands into his bank account
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Some people bought from Bumper , others bought maybe 2 or 3 from Jack direct ( for themselves and for a friend etc etc )
He want to know who the end users will be regardless where they bought from .
In some cases this will not apply to existing direct JJP customer .
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Seems the redesigned boards still have not arrived
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? So no we have to go running after him?
He did not have a problem contacting us when a payment was due
You went direct to Jack ?
Sounds like Jack needs the Pre Orders through the distributor and also the buyers that went direct. I'd say he knows who the direct customers are from the direct payments process, and he needs to know the numbers through the distributor.
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You right Nino ,
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I was in Bumper yesterday and the first thing I saw when those 2 sliding doors opened was the shinny new WOZ staring me in the face. With no one playing it I was drawn to it like a moth to a light globe.
Where to start with my thoughts on this one. The LCD is the first of many things that punch you right in the face with this machine, WOZ really is the next generation in pinball. Although I have seen many pictures and vids of this machine the LCD seems a lot bigger in real life especially when it is working as a single screen and not split into four as it does in the start of the ball. I like the LCD but when your playing the machine you don't really get to watch it same as a DMD so unless your a spectator watching or it has some purpose in a feature mode (that I never had) no real advantage with LCD other than eye candy IMHO. To be honest sitting here thinking about it I cant even remember what was playing on the LCD.
LCD aside this game this game is full of other great new technology in pinball such as the color changing LED's and high tech toys.
The quality of this machine (from the outside..I didn't get to see inside) looks very high. The graphics on the play field and cabinet look fantastic miles ahead of what I have seen on modern day stern's once again IMHO. The only thing quality wise that I thought could have used a bit more work were the wire form ramps and the side rails and lock down bars which to me looked a little flimsy and cheap.
Play wise I had 5 games in a row not enough to form a good opinion but enough to get a feel. It felt like a quality built machine.Hard to explain but well made like driving a quality built European car compared to KIA it felt smooth. It didn't get my heart pumping and I wasn't getting particularly excited playing but I didn't know the rules and I was more distracted by all the eye candy than I was into playing the game. I never judge a game until I have played it a lot at home with no distractions. I could never get into my pinball playing zone in a shop way too embarrassing with all my hip thrusting and leg kicking...sometimes at home when I'm playing my wife asks me if I want her to close the door give to give me some privacy with the machine.
I found it did drain very easily but that was probably just lack of game play or once again all the distractions of the game trying to take it all in rather than concentrate on playing. In my 5 games it preformed perfectly no ball stick or any problems.
In conclusion my thoughts are that although it's not a title I would ever add to my collection JJ have done a great job building a high tech quality machine that is state of the art. A mammoth task when you think about it building a new machine of this caliber from the ground up. I think that with some new titles or (IMO) some better titles Stern may have to lift there game on quality a little.
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Thankyou for the write up.
Question - Would you say it played fast, slow, or in the middle ?? Could you make all the ramp shots easily or not ?
Did it feel like it would get boring quick, or it was something that would be really challenging for ages to come with updated code(s) ?
What did u think of the widebody, did it slow things down, or did it add extra real estate for other great features ?
I know u only had 10 minutes, but just wanted to see what else u could remember ?
If they offered a widebody Woz or a std Body Woz, which would u buy n why ? !@#
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PM recieved. ^^^
And the answer is $100 is the cost of the Wizard of OZ translites that JJP is selling. They have been signed by Jack and Joe-game designer.
However, the JJP site is saying that the product cannot bew rolled and cannot be placed into a post-pak, so the shipping on JJP's site is coming up at a crazy $311 USA.
The only way anyone is going to get a WOZ translite to hang on the wall, is if people want to do a group purchase, and we get JJP to fix the shipping cost to something realistic, or IF ANT(Tony) is able to make room for a small box in his shipping container with his WOZ machines and multiple Invisiglass products. I will send Tony a PM, and hopefully he can respond here. ^^^
p.s - they are also selling the WOZ LE backglasses for $300, which means u can turn a std WOZ into a LE WOZ easily enough. It just means changing the silver legs/lockdown bar/siderails to emeralg green, change a topper maybe, add the LE apron. Seems simple enough.
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I don't think the WOZ translight would be worth hanging on the wall there pretty plain
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I don't think the WOZ translight would be worth hanging on the wall there pretty plain
I thought they were identical to the full backglass with all the characters in the middle (like a screen shot of the LCD Screen ?)
http://www.pinballsales.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=95
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I emailed JJP about the current STD WOZ pricing.
It is $7,000 USA direct from JJP.
JJP advised me that I can add Invisiglass and a shaker motor for $500 total.
Shipping was quoted to Australia to be between $500 and $700 apx.
I was told except for the Emerald Green lockdown bar, and the green legs/side armour, everything else on the machine will be identical with the exception of the Apron.
Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.
JJP have also advised, they are specially numbering the first 1,000 STD WOZ models, and have sold apx 400 so far.
The only thing to add is Emerald Green to the silver stuff really, which I reckon would be a absolute maximum of $200 tops, if not cheaper, and can be done by professional powdercoating. It seems these prices are alot cheaper dealing directly with JJP versus a dealer. The LE is sold out at JJP, but one or two may still be available via the VIC Dealer, but expect to pay much more than the upgraded STD WOZ at $8200.
I wonder if anyone in Australia has put their hand up for a std WOZ with upgrades. The pricing direct with JJP is OK.
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Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.
What about customs duties or is that inc. in the shipping figure, and GST?
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Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8
I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'
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Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8
I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'
I read that on there as well. 12 out of 1400 means nothing really. Things are starting to get a little stressed on the WOZ forum.
Announcing that 12 people have been telephoned just opened up a bigger can of worms, with people saying they signed on the first day, so why have they not recieved a call and so on. I do feel sorry for Jack, but this is a commercial enterprise, and he is extremely late, so he will have to cop it all on the chin from those that are pissed.
I think alot of people have come to their wits end. It shows on the posts. Some are still hanging in there, but what other choice do they have. Then there is the question of code and what percentage along is it. I think alot of people are expecting way too much with the code. They are all thinking its going to be released with 95%. I think thats a massive over-estimation. Jack has repeatedly said regular code updates will occur.
The phoning 12 people is just a helpful diversion to keep people thinking about something else, rather than the fact the untested boards havent arrived, and the production line hasnt even started yet.
Personally, I dont think proper production will even start properly for another few months.
They have to build all the parts racks/area, train all the staff, set up the entire production line to finalisation, then start producing/testing games, as well as many new components. This all takes time, then shipping times ontop. The calender cant click over fast enough.
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Therefore, for $7,500 purchase price, and apx $700 shipping, you can land a Std WOZ machine for $8200 ish.
What about customs duties or is that inc. in the shipping figure, and GST?
JJP havent and dont quote anything except $500 to $700 aprox for shipping, with a proviso, that they still have to check these figures. !@#
(which makes me believe that no one from JJP has yet got concrete figures, otherwise they would be quoting concrete figures)
There is no mention of any other relevant costs in relation to anything like GST, Customs etc etc.
I thought by now, someone on Aussie Pinball would have been given exact costs to bring their WOZ LE machine in from the USA via JJP if they paid directly.
Its late in the second half, and no-one knows these figures. I asked for purchase prices of WOZ STD, and asked for specific shipping costs etc, but was only given the $500 to $700 apx with the checking proviso. I dont think anyone knows concrete costs at all, yet.
If anyone does know, please post up for everyone. I might send another email.
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Seems that the date for the redesigned boards has moved again
Now they are arriving April 8
I would not call phoning 12 customers 'shipping will start by the end of March'
Yes it is disappointing...Seems very anti-climatic and on it goes.
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15 months late and counting. !@#
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CoT, with all your emails to Jack you have never received any information that was not in the public domain
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15 months late and counting. !@#
They will land on Aussie shores when this thread hits 20,000 views.
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Feel sorry for the guys waiting specially Pete who was onboard from day one!!
A good example of why I never talk myself up how stupid do u look when you do and then don't deliver.
Massive effort by jack don't get me wrong love what he is trying to do but if your falling behind just say so don't commit another date plucked from thin air then fail that aswell lol
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CoT, with all your emails to Jack you have never received any information that was not in the public domain
I am not sure what u mean.
The reason I have emailed JJP, a maximum of 3 times, is to get direct and correct information, free of rumour or accidental mis-information.
I have had a couple of surprises, firstly the fact that Jacks daughter Jen is a lovely girl, who is very efficient, and have been surprised about some info about Std Woz costings, and the fact that JJP will now allow direct purchases thru them.
What I have been confused about is no information about total shipping prices yet, or advice about extra costs.
I have been deciding if I should buy a Std WOZ n add the bits n pieces to make it close to a LE, or if I just buy someones LE, shortly after it gets here if some become available. Hence the emails to JJP to find some info out.
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JJP can only quote a price to land the consignment into Australia - air side of you like. There are to many variables including possible AQIS / airport fees / duties / stamps / GST / broker fees etc, etc to allow for accurate pricing. Once your personal import lands you need to do the leg work to clear it landside. This is not JJP's responsibility. You are wasting your time
waiting for a firm shipping cost I reckon.
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I have purchased large arcade items from the USA before, and they could quote all the relevant costs within $10. If they can do it, JJP can do it.
No one on earth gets items sent and then starts to work out the costs, it simply does not happen this way.
JJP just has to use the services of a switched on freight forwarder. If I was shipping many many hundreds of pinball machines overseas to various markets, I would be using the services of a decent freight forwarder, and with this onboard, all peoples questions can be answered.
If JJP try n send WOZ machines overseas, without all the relevant paperwork n assosciated costs being finalised before shipping, this will all turn into a complete disaster, cause anyone who has shipped large items from the USA knows, that all the relevant paperwork must be done, prior to sending, not afterwards, or the costs start tripling etc, and getting your item without paperwork is near impossible.
Without a freight forwarder at JJP's end, the freight of the pinball machines will be a nightmare. AND it should be at JJPs end, because they will have the buying/purchasing power with the freight forwarder. IF it is left to the individual at the Australian end, you will be at the mercy of the Aussie freight forwarders with only 1 item, and they will stick it to you $$ bigtime.
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Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne. It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.
I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out. However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect. You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared. This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.
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Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne. It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.
I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out. However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect. You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared. This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.
Absolutely.. and this is why Jack could never give you a confirmed price on how much to ship... he can tell you how much it is to pallette and freight cost but he in no way can be responsible for anything on this side of the water.. That is the responsibilty of the recipient. Even with a DHL consignment of a small parcel.. if its valued at $1000 thent he shipper is not responsible for charges this end... the recipient pays and boy will he pay!..GST and shipping fee @ 15%.. DHL fee, which last time i got stung was $250 with no receipt.
Even if you got your machine in a container full of WOZ games.. then you know the share of container shipping youre are responsible for.. you also know your GST to pay.. but if they decide to fumigate, its extra.. if they decide that they dont like the paperwork, then all contents out of the container and onto the ground to be inspected at an hourly rate ( rain or shine).. repacked at your expense.. hourly rate ( or do it yourself).. anything found in container.. maybe a peanut left behind when shipping? then fumigation charged at Sq metre rate.. while its being fumigated, theres the storage fees.. and so it goes on.
So if you want confirmed price to ship from a seller then they would have to go worst case scenario and thats a price you dont want to know
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After being in since day 1......I bailed on mine about 4-5 months ago....hadnt checked any updates since.....
glad i got out when i did......good luck to all still waiting!.....
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Having one machine sent from a supplier in the USA is not all grim and bad scary news.
Fumigation is never done on a single item if it is palleted on a plastic pallet, and your paperwork is in order. The key is to having all your paperwork done correctly, whether you use a freight forwarder, or clear items yourself. You have to know what u are doing ahead of time. if I can do it successfully, anyone can do it. But it still amazes me that shipping figures are still a relative unknown at the USA end.
The reality is, is that some people will have to get machines sent on a one off basis, because the amount Bumper is charging for the machines is over $9500, and it is at least $1300 cheaper than that to bring it in yourself by dealing direct with Jack - woz std model i priced up a few posts back which is good value with invisiglass n shaker etc. If the price from the Aust Dealer can be fixed, and not go up n down like a rollercoaster, then they may have a chance of selling some, versus people going direct to JJP. A friend bought a unsold LE from Bumper a few weeks ago, obviously for $9500 it is landed here, he just has to pay the $200 or $300 from Melb to QLD. But, i dont want to spend 10 grand, I would rather spend closer to 8 grand, or 8 and a half, hence wanting some concrete shipping figures from JJP.
I think the easiest way to get them, is to wait for JJP to ship 500 machines here n there n everywhere, then re-ask the shipping questions when they have been through it a few hundred times. Thats the answer.
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Hence why JJP have a distributor in Melbourne. It would be a pain in the arse for JJP to ship individual machines around the world, I'm sure they would much rather send containers.
I understand that every export needs to be shipped with its manifest and freight, terminal fees, duties and GST can be worked out. However, if some smuck decides to investigate 'whats in the box' they are going to charge you to pull it aside, open and inspect. You can't predict this. If some uneducated customs guy decides the machine needs to be fumigated (even though paperwork is in order) you will be hit up for AQIS fees. If you forwarder isn't AQIS approved, the machine will have to be transported to an AQIS approved site, fumigated and then cleared. This sort of stuff does happen with individual personal imports, which, in essence is what is going to happen if you deal direct with Jack.
Absolutely.. and this is why Jack could never give you a confirmed price on how much to ship... he can tell you how much it is to pallette and freight cost but he in no way can be responsible for anything on this side of the water.. That is the responsibilty of the recipient. Even with a DHL consignment of a small parcel.. if its valued at $1000 thent he shipper is not responsible for charges this end... the recipient pays and boy will he pay!..GST and shipping fee @ 15%.. DHL fee, which last time i got stung was $250 with no receipt.
Even if you got your machine in a container full of WOZ games.. then you know the share of container shipping youre are responsible for.. you also know your GST to pay.. but if they decide to fumigate, its extra.. if they decide that they dont like the paperwork, then all contents out of the container and onto the ground to be inspected at an hourly rate ( rain or shine).. repacked at your expense.. hourly rate ( or do it yourself).. anything found in container.. maybe a peanut left behind when shipping? then fumigation charged at Sq metre rate.. while its being fumigated, theres the storage fees.. and so it goes on.
So if you want confirmed price to ship from a seller then they would have to go worst case scenario and thats a price you dont want to know
Last week I got hit $250 extra for a container because the swing loader was delayed at the wharfs whilst waiting to loading , they give you a set amount of time say 30min to load any time over that they charge you , like it or not .
If quartine decide to open and inspect the goods , good luck to you .
Very hard to predict a set price .
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my experience is that they start looking, if paperwork is not 100 percent.
the only other point i will make, is freight forwarders can get the pricing down pat usually within a handful of dollars, if JJP use a good freight forwarder, and I am sure they will, perhaps pricing and the process will become very easy n alot more efficient as they get experience with shipping overseas.
time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.
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Shipping companies can also whack on a peak season sucharge or a bunker fuel surcharge also .
Quarantine can pick any container randomly .
I've been given a estimate from JJP to Brissy but who knows .
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time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.
Moving on..? You asked the question re: freight, so input was put forward but you seem unwilling to listen to the reality of the risk scenario.?
If you know all the answers why put forward the question.?
^&^
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time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.
Why not provide a link to those who are not privy to the JJP private forum?
If you're interested, here's a bunch of new WOZ-related YouTube videos
to enjoy this weekend!
WOZ Overview & Gameplay @ UK Pinball League (long)
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Playing WOZ @ AMOA (long)
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Arcade Hunters @ Amusement Expo 2013
WOZ Gameplay @ London Pinball
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Standard WOZ Gameplay @ JJP Factory
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More WOZ Gameplay @ Unknown
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Full JJP Presentation @ TPF 2013 (86 minutes)
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my experience is that they start looking, if paperwork is not 100 percent.
the only other point i will make, is freight forwarders can get the pricing down pat usually within a handful of dollars, if JJP use a good freight forwarder, and I am sure they will, perhaps pricing and the process will become very easy n alot more efficient as they get experience with shipping overseas.
time will tell. moving on, there is a new video on the JJP forum, machine looks excellent.
Think youll find jack has plenty of experience shipping overseas already.. you seem to forget his well established redemption game business that funded the whole pinball project in the first place. Jacks not a new kid on the block.. he has been around for a long time
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Should make it even easier for them to provide concrete shipping costs when the time comes then. ^^^
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Forgot to mention,
WOZ Videos - Also, for those that dont know, the JJP WOZ/Hobbitt forum is available for anyone to join, if u have purchased a LE WOZ, or if you are considering buying a STD WOZ or Hobbitt etc. You simply have to send Jen a email at JJP, jen@jerseyjackpinball.com and u will recieve the site details. All the latest videos and information is posted on a regular basis, and u can easily find 99 percent of the videos posted on youtube.
Re shiping costs - for those who have ordered a machine, or for those who are thinking about ordering a machine direct thru JJP, perhaps on Tuesday I could contact a local Brisbane freight forwarder and do something pro-active and get some detailed costs/quotes for anyone thinking about buying a machine direct thru JJP, and have those quotes on file and posted on the forum, so people have a better understanding of what the total shipping costs will be, versus having to wait for the overseas seller to provide them down the track.
I could ask for the freight forwarder to give seperate figures for a Brisbane landing, versus a Melbourne landing - Seafreight. I could also ask for a quote to do it via Airfreight. I personally want the figures for a future purchase. I note that Bumper told me apx a year ago, they would charge between $1200 and $1500 to do it all, landed in Melbourne. I will get some seperate quotes and see if it helps anyone else out ?
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Jack should be able to provide a shipping cost to your closest airport or shipping port. I'm sure he would strike a deal with shipping companies for TRANSPORT to your country, but after it lands, it is completely up to the buyer to organize. From my experience of importing single machines, shipping prices are given, but not to your door. You need to work out the rest yourself. So there is no way Jack or anyone can accurately quote a shipping price to your door. That is impossible.
Fumigation is a risk with second hand goods. New items in boxes are rarely fumigated unless the boxes themselves are on wood pellets that do not meet AQIS standards. I've had containers with pellets that meet AQIS standards and specified it on the DOP. It went straight through. I don't think a container of NIB would ever be subject to fumigation unless the paperwork was missing. But it would be inspected, not fumigated - unless the inspection found timber, straw or bamboo. Not one of my imports has ever required fumigation. Customs don't randomly pick out containers for fumigation purposes. If the paperwork is not completed, they may let you go - depending on a number of factors. "Country of origin" is another reason that affects fumigation. Asian countries with imports that have furniture made of bamboo will be fumigated regardless of the DOP stating no wood was used for packing. As soon as AQIS find bamboo or straw - you will have the container fumigated.
X-Ray of a container is random. Inspection of a container is also random. My Freight forwarder is brilliant as they have an AQIS Bay in their yard. The container is taken directly off the ship and transported to my Freight Forwarder. I have 10 days to collate all the paperwork. If a container is left in port, then the chances of AQIS sniffing around your import increases.
Although no import costs are the same, dodgy freight forwarders will add all sorts of costs. If the Freight Forwarder is more of a commercial importer, then they will rip a private import at commercial costs. As soon as I found a good Freight Forwarder, my landing and processing costs almost halved. There are also Tariffs which reduce the duty, or remove it completely.
There are a lot of tricks to the game of importing, but from my experience, there is no way anyone can accurately predict the transport costs to your door. Different countries have different rules, standards and costings. It is not up to the manufacturer to predict the costs for each country.
Having said that, I would be sure that Stern distributors look at the maximum price of landing the machine per unit and charge that to the customer regardless of the actual costs. This would be common practice in any industry. That would be based on feedback from distributors after the games have landed over time. They work out the maximum costs to import, and pass it on to the consumer. If the cost is less, then the distributor would keep the difference.
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I agree with 99.99 percent of what u have said. The only small exception, is that a good freight forwarder shld be able to get very specific costs to have the item shipped door to door. The vast majority of people dont have the ability to lift n transport heavy items, thus requiring the item to be dropped off at a work or private address. Most people who try to do self import, will ofcourse do the pick up n heavy lifting themselves, but most people who use a freight forwarder, will require door to door.
To give u an example, say a female customer buys a WOZ machine, she wouldnt want or have the ability to move a 150 kg widebody pinny, she would want it delivered, or even a older person, say someone 65 who has a bad back, they are all going to be door to door, with the help of a good freight forwarder and customs/clearance agent etc. These quotes are easily done, if the seller wants to spend the time with a good freight forwarder/customs agent getting detailed quotes.
I am betting, the vast majority of Aussie WOZ owners are going to ask for a tailgate lifter/truck to have their machine delivered, and they are going to want it all organised before the machine leaves the factory.
In any event, this will all work itself out soon enough. Bumper shld take care of most of Melbourne, but its the other states so far where the big question marks are.
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Fumigation is a risk with second hand goods. New items in boxes are rarely fumigated unless the boxes themselves are on wood pellets that do not meet AQIS standards. I've had containers with pellets that meet AQIS standards and specified it on the DOP. It went straight through. I don't think a container of NIB would ever be subject to fumigation unless the paperwork was missing. But it would be inspected, not fumigated - unless the inspection found timber, straw or bamboo. Not one of my imports has ever required fumigation. Customs don't randomly pick out containers for fumigation purposes. If the paperwork is not completed, they may let you go - depending on a number of factors. "Country of origin" is another reason that affects fumigation.
After everything that has happened so far, I am not expecting the paperwork to be in order
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I agree with 99.99 percent of what u have said. The only small exception, is that a good freight forwarder shld be able to get very specific costs to have the item shipped door to door. The vast majority of people dont have the ability to lift n transport heavy items, thus requiring the item to be dropped off at a work or private address. Most people who try to do self import, will ofcourse do the pick up n heavy lifting themselves, but most people who use a freight forwarder, will require door to door.
To give u an example, say a female customer buys a WOZ machine, she wouldnt want or have the ability to move a 150 kg widebody pinny, she would want it delivered, or even a older person, say someone 65 who has a bad back, they are all going to be door to door, with the help of a good freight forwarder and customs/clearance agent etc. These quotes are easily done, if the seller wants to spend the time with a good freight forwarder/customs agent getting detailed quotes.
I am betting, the vast majority of Aussie WOZ owners are going to ask for a tailgate lifter/truck to have their machine delivered, and they are going to want it all organised before the machine leaves the factory.
In any event, this will all work itself out soon enough. Bumper shld take care of most of Melbourne, but its the other states so far where the big question marks are.
That's right. So after the transport price, there is a local delivery price that manufacturer's cannot possibly quote accurately. The local Freight Forwarder can organize, depending on your needs. You can also pick up yourself as LCL in your own truck / ute / etc.
What distributors do is to find the highest quote for local transport (after the container has been transported to port), but use the cheapest possible local transport and pocket the difference. The local distributor CAN provide the door to door price by combining the manufacturer's transport, the clearance fees at the Port, and the local Transport. That's how it works. The manufacturer does not know the landing / clearance fees, nor does the manufacturer know the local transport to your door.
So what I'm saying is that JJP or Stern cannot give you a "door to door" price WITHOUT finding out the landing / clearance costs AND the local transport. Ask either of them and you will get an estimate based on past imports, and they will undoubtedly send you to the local distributor for an accurate quote.
An example is the Fathom I bought from Germany as a single import. If cost me AUS$595 airfreight to my terminal in Tullamarine. But that was not to my door. I had to pay clearance / landing / admin costs - wait a couple of days then I picked it up in my Wagon. There is no way the German Supplier was going to give me a door to door quote as the landing fees are unknown and the local transport is unknown.
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here is a leter from Jack that a pinsider posted today, which yes I have copied it and posted here but fitting to being posted here and Jack is definitely trying
"For all of us and for me most of all - it has been a crazy two years.
I know that is true of all of you as well. Many of you have suffered
in a way defending me or JJP to the people who said we would never
even build a game. They were wrong, you were right, Thank You! I think
this little post is more for me today than you but it's posted here
anyway.
There are all kinds of people and many on forums have to express their
anger or negativity. Some of the same people see me in person at shows
and gush for a picture with me or my autograph. People….It's probably
true on the stamp collecting Group too as people are people. Still, we
are focused on the positive as you cannot create and grow from a
negative. More dreams have been killed by doubt than by actual failure
and the game is reality, failure was never an option.
I've lived this every day a billion times over and I have not
regretted it yet. I guess having games now, that stage is passed. I'm
the most critical customer of JJP and the one with the least patience
as I've done it the longest. As we move into this delivery stage of
games there is a lot of satisfaction in what we have done so far. I'm
very proud of our Team and their Passion and dedication.
At the show in Italy a couple of weeks ago a customer who ordered
ECLEWOZ and saw it for the first time remarked that he was amazed,
something we love to hear. He went on to say that it would probably
be the worst game that JJP ever makes. That's to say we will get
better as we go along in the coming days, weeks, months and years. I
took his comment the right way, he gets it.
We had to set deadlines so that there were targets for those vendors
and for our people as well. I guess the game could have been designed
forever and never completed but it is designed and completed, except
for the ongoing software development which is going well and that will
be seen to completion and to our satisfaction of what we know the game
will be.
Deadlines we missed or moved, or got moved for us or in spite of us,
I'm truly sorry. I take responsibility for that. I know it caused some
issues for certain people but in some cases, I had to have trust.
Sometimes, not that much was in my direct control. Welcome to
manufacturing in the USA, 101.
We had no clue what we were going to design. It is way more than any
of us thought it would be. We have learned a lot. Maybe I have finally
learned not to believe every vendor's promise or to pass them along so
quickly as Gospel, sorry again.
The most important thing is the honesty and transparent nature of what
we have tried to do. To include all of you in the many details, ideas,
trials, ups and downs as we went along. It's been painful sometimes
but you all deserve to know what I know and I've answered your calls
and e mails- always. It is the making of the sausage and thanks for
the many calls and e mails and texts of support too numerous to count!
Much of what we did would up on the desks or in-boxes of our now many
competitors' moments after being written here and it still does. Some
spoken words wind up twisted or out of context. It gets posted on
other forums to be ruminated about and stomped on no matter what we
do. That's part of what any forum brings, good and bad. We get e mails
forwarded to us about what our competitors are doing too, about their
new secret "cool" designs, licenses they sign, Mustangs or not or in-
progress artwork or playfield lighting or their price increases or
whatever distractions right from their own vendors or employees so it
works both ways. I really could care less what any of them do, good
luck, live and let live. I only care about what we are doing.
I'll never look back at this game and say it was crap. It is our best
effort to date and we will learn from it, we will support it and we
will improve upon it with our next game.
We are not perfect, nobody is. This is a mechanical device and my
saying for many years is "if it's not broken, it's not pinball".....
What I did say and do say is we will support whatever we built and we
will strive to satisfy our customers and reward our players, always.
If we missed some shows, if I could not get there or we could not get
games there, I'm sorry too. We will make it up as we move forward,
it's hard to do it all sometimes.
I have been pleased that the games on location have been working well
and have been making money. Most weeks they have been going up every
week and they have been attracting new players which is something we
all hoped for. Those with them on location know this to be true. I
have not spoken to Zach since he received his WOZ about a week ago and
he posted this on our group the other day:
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Zach T View profile
More options Mar 29, 12:01 pm
So, the WOZ at Nickel City San Diego is just killing it. I have never
seen a new pin earn this much, this fast. In the first 10 hours at
Nickel City WOZ out earned what Tron, Simpsons, South Park, and LW3
made combined last week!
Currently WOZ is making more than any video game on the floor,
including the drivers. There are a lot of redemption games that
aren't earning this well. We're going to have to collect WOZ twice
this week because the coin bucket isn't big enough for us to go a
full week between collections!
The game is a huge hit with all of my casual players. Usually, when
someone walks up to play pinball who has never played it before they
play one ball and walk away. I have yet to see that with WOZ. The
big LCD display is definitely helping new players understand the game
better.
More options Mar 29, 9:06 pm
Yes, the kids just love it. I'm seeing entire families playing WOZ
together. I've never seen a reaction like this for a pinball machine
before. It's fantastic. The pinball crowd has definitely been
playing it a lot, but I would never make this kind of money off of
just the pinball crowd.
Zach
Palomar Amusements
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In recent days since AMOA, several operators and distributors have
called or e mailed to order WOZ. Many have asked for ECLEWOZ as well
as they want the latest and greatest for their location......We are
sold out with a growing waiting list. Word is getting out in the
industry side of things and that's good. They are OK to wait as we
have lots of people before them to deliver games to, a good problem
for us to have. Drew came back from AMOA with orders for over 150
games with many new distributor requests. One keeps calling daily
looking to pickup games in the next week or two, he just woke up to
what we have been doing for two years.
Keith sent a code update last night that in size is three times as
large a file as what is currently in the latest games out now! I
cannot wait to download it later and play the game today.
These games we built here this week, maybe ten of them, it is not like
taking a loaf of bread out of the oven and handing it to you. They
need to be burned in and tested and we need to make sure they are
right before you get them. That's what you deserve. I came to some
reality decisions late yesterday and in spite of me missing another
self imposed deadline I decided that the good of the product was more
important than the calendar.
So we all decided yesterday as we left that the games in the building
need to burn in for a few days. Plus the code, well, while tested, WE
did not test it. Keith always sends us older code than where he is in
his game so it's been tested.....but giving real customer #1 a game
and on and on.....we want to make sure games are right.
Real pickup customer #1 was fine with getting his game a few days
later. He is going away on vacation next week anyway. I talked to a
few others and they all say the same. They want their games but they
want them to be right or as right as we humans here can make them.
It's pinball. We don't want to be Boeing - making airplanes that
people fly on that matters in life and death situations - this is a
pinball machine for goodness sakes. And no, I did not call everyone
yet.
If you want a game that is not built with passion, detail, care and
respect for the people who are waiting for them, then there are other
options available but not from us. We have a winner here. It's almost,
almost done at the one yard line. I need to remember what Bryan Kelly
told me and don't screw it up now after all this time......another
few days - even a week or two - if that makes the difference, that's
what I need to do.
We want real production boards in the real production games that
customers get. Building games to completion has been difficult without
our production board sets which are obviously on their own timeline
despite what I was told about mid to late March, it's now the week of
4/8. I ordered them on January 11th.....frustrates me but better right
than wrong but it is coming at least down to days now not weeks or
months. The board house in Pennsylvania has been setting up and
running various boards. It's a daily string of questions about various
parts, orientation of connectors, etc. so they make ten of each board
and we get them and approve them and they make them….all takes time.
Needs to be done right the first time, it's a $1,560,000 order so I
don't need mistakes.
Can't rush greatness, or our board house at this point…..so if I
shipped a couple or even five or six games today which I could if I
really wanted to and then there was a week or so lull, maybe worse
than waiting a week or two and having twenty or more tested, better
coded and completely working games. In hindsight I should have said
what Eugene Jarvis told me to say - it is done when it's done or
something similar but we are almost there.
I went to E3 and Seattle in June with a box of lights that Keith had
to start with a keyboard. I went to PPE with the flipper strength not
set right, I went to Expo with incomplete code and IAAPA with a better
version of incomplete code and we won a Brass Ring Award. We have
games on location kicking ass and the game is not done, just imagine
what happens in the next few days and weeks, holy cow, it's gonna' be
nuts!
I'm going to get criticized no matter what I do. I can take it, I have
a pretty thick skin. Just dont slander or libel me or my company or my
people or family. I've done it for 37 years with God's Blessing as
long as I'm able to do it, maybe another 37 years but it is getting
easier, not harder.
Creating this Group was also a great thing, like creating the game.
Just like an extended family.....Not perfect but pretty good I must
agree. You all have the patience of Saints and as these games start to
ship the level of "crazy" will go up. I know the conversation will
shift to different subjects, my un-boxing party is when, Is Jack
coming, my this is that is that or my wife and kids won't let me get
near the game to play it, etc, etc...all good
We are Pinball People and I'm proud to call you our customers,
supporters, believers, investors and most importantly, friends and we
look forward to meeting more of you and getting your games to you.
I'm thankful to my wife and family and to my Faith and sincerely to
all of you. Please know this, we are and will continue to do our best.
Our Passion is Pinball and we have been Blessed to create this game
for you!
Happy Passover/ Happy Easter/ Happy Weekend.
Much more to come."
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But the game has been on this "on yard line " now for months
Redesigning boards at the last minute is failure to plan
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Redesigning boards at the last minute is failure to plan
or could it be unexpected problems that he wants to sort out properly, imagine sending the games out and then all sorts of problems around the world with failures and freight of boards - that would be a nightmare and a big cross against JJP
but that said totally understand your frustration of delay after delay
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Redesigning boards at the last minute is failure to plan
or could it be unexpected problems that he wants to sort out properly, imagine sending the games out and then all sorts of problems around the world with failures and freight of boards - that would be a nightmare and a big cross against JJP
but that said totally understand your frustration of delay after delay
Don't drink the kool-aid!
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it is not the delays, it is the annoucement at the last minute of the delay
last week, Jack was saying thet the first games were shipping by the end of the month (March)
mid week it was down to calling the first customers
then it was calling several customers
then it was calling 12 people, who all wanted to remain anonymous
then today no games were shipping until april 8
A smarter man would say that he was hoping to ship games
his problem is he likes to carve a date in stone, then wonders why people hold him to that date
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What I should have asked is Mike(Homepin) how many boards should be able to get made on a daily basis if you had put in a 1.6 million dollar order as Jack said, given the board making place had several staff.
Is this a slow process because of labour, or a slow process in not having enough machines to make the boards ?
How many could a chineese firm make a day I wonder ?? .........singles arriving daily seems very small numbers to me ? !@# !@#
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Brett, with everything, you get what you are willing to pay for
It takes me 90 minutes to make 15 dozen pies
4'n'20 make 100000 per hour
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Brett, with everything, you get what you are willing to pay for
It takes me 90 minutes to make 15 dozen pies
4'n'20 make 100000 per hour
I'm sure your pies are heaps better than the big guy's.
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The boards JJP are using are very likely being made in quite a large facility with automatic machinery and from my experience (once the blank PCBs are made) it is pretty simple to assemble several thousand a day as a very minimum.
It does take a huge amount of time to design the circuit, layout the board, have prototypes made (then probably hand assembled for 10 pcs) then debug, find faults and do this all over again. I can't see how driver boards are that complicated to begin with though??? Remember JJP are lkely to be using standard (off the shelf) computer mainboards and maybe this is where the REAL problem is - they get driver boards finished and then the mainboard goes obsolete before they can actually get anythng into production - this would make perfect sense to me.
Sorry, but to me - if I was spending millions on PCBs - I would have tighter control of this situation, but that's just me.
Jacks story doesn't really ring true to me.
He lost me when he started taking deposits on a second machine without ever having delivered the first - too dodgy to me. I don't care how good WOZ is/might be - it is just outright shifty businesss practice given the stupidly long delays with WOZ.
Given the deposits JJP has I would be shipping machines both built and kits from PRC within six months - no excuses and no bullshit about problems with manufacturing in USA.
What I should have asked is Mike(Homepin) how many boards should be able to get made on a daily basis if you had put in a 1.6 million dollar order as Jack said, given the board making place had several staff.
Is this a slow process because of labour, or a slow process in not having enough machines to make the boards ?
How many could a chineese firm make a day I wonder ?? .........singles arriving daily seems very small numbers to me ? !@# !@#
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I forgot to mention that Data East boards were all made in China so it is very likely that Stern boards are as well.
It is very flag waving and admirable to try and keep things made in your own country but when they can be made in China - in most cases with BETTER quality - and for 1/10 of the price and often in a few days from scratch, it just doesn't make any sense at all.
As a small example, one of my commercial customers asked me about a new product that required a small PCB. I hand made a sample for them over a weekend and they debugged it and made mods to the PCB artwork the following week. One week later I had the finished boards in my hands. The entire process from initial discussion to completed boards took less than a month.
Other factors are the cost of parts. Last week I purchased a few reels of surface mount parts here in China. I bought Samsung branded parts as they were only slightly more expenxive than the no name ones. A reel of 5000 resistors cost me $5. I didn't even bother looking up the price in Australia but I'll bet they are about $40 or more.
It is a very stupid business decision to make PCBs in any place OTHER than China IMO.
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Thanks Mike for your insight. JJP should have given you the contract to make these boards, it would have run alot smoother, and I am sure you wouldnt have knocked back the 1.6 million contract.
I am now waiting to see a video, or photos of the JJP production line starting up with all the workers when these boards turn up in massive numbers on the 8th of April.
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Jacks story doesn't really ring true to me.
He lost me when he started taking deposits on a second machine without ever having delivered the first - too dodgy to me. I don't care how good WOZ is/might be - it is just outright shifty businesss practice given the stupidly long delays with WOZ.
Given the deposits JJP has I would be shipping machines both built and kits from PRC within six months - no excuses and no bullshit about problems with manufacturing in USA.
Nicely put, I had the same gut feel.
When you start a business, you do it tough for the first 5 years and you do it with your own or borrowed money. Customers then pay you for your finished product or service. You do not pay for a new car and then wait 2 years for delivery, why should it be any different for pinballs?
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Speculation on how the build process should work, and the constant advise on how it "should be done" is almost to the point of laughable.
Hands up how many members have mass produced an arcade / pinball / redemption machine #@#
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I think JJP biggest mistake was to take $ for pre orders for their second title.
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You'd expect JJ would focus all their energy on getting the first game out the door before talking about what's coming up in the future
and taking deposits for game #2....
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Speculation on how the build process should work, and the constant advise on how it "should be done" is almost to the point of laughable.
Hands up how many members have mass produced an arcade / pinball / redemption machine #@#
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I think JJP biggest mistake was to take $ for pre orders for their second title.
I think its a fair point Nino since the machines are over 15 months late, and another 2 major deadlines have been missed again, being no machines built n sent out by the end of March, and no computer boards at the end of March, as promised by JJP for many months.
Perhaps if the boards were fully produced in China like was suggested, they would be done by now.? Its a fair question.
I dont think AP members, being able to/or have experience producing a arcade game or a pinball machine has anything to do with it respectfully.
Perhaps, as someone has said, If JJP hadnt of got peoples monies upfront, and they werent sitting on the 7 million dollars already, perhaps these deadlines and dates wouldnt have been moved so often and as much. They would have had a much bigger desire/NEED $$ to get these deadlines met or face massive financial losses, but when you already have 7 million of other peoples monies, maybe you dont perform as well/as quick ? who knows.
The build/design/management process at JJP has clearly gone astray when they are 15 mths late, have only ordered boards in mid January, and are still testing boards and have just missed another public machine build and release date and board intake date.
When things do go wrong, and clearly they have, the only smart thing to do is to wonder/suggest how things should have or could have been done. Sort of reverse engineering problems for next time.
Perhaps someone from the USA may read our collective posts, perhaps they may reword the next board release date, or the next machines build date, and when built machines will be leaving the factory date etc.?
I know another AP member recently told Jack in a open email, via the WOZ forum, that he should be careful and reword what he says, meaning people hang onto his every word, and when things dont happen, people get upset. I guess no one would be discussing the WOZ thing if things werent 15 months late. Just discussing, nothing else. Stern used to be the same, late with designs and machines built substandard, they upset alot of people, lost alot of customers, and have had to claw their way back. No one is perfect in this industry. But these recent missed dates, on some pretty big and repeated often promises, have put the WOZ thing into the limelight. Lets see what happens on the 8th. I want the things to get rolling down the line as much as the next bloke. I want to go to my friends houses, and play their games as much as the next bloke.
I think its normal to discuss both the positives and the negatives. That gives balance. I will be the first to post more positive stuff when the machines start getting thrown into trucks.
My point is "Speculation on how the build process should work, and the constant advise on how it "should be done" is almost to the point of laughable."
It is valid as no one here has ever mass produced a pinball, and although some THINK they know the inner working and fiscal position of JJP, all amount to speculation and guesswork to drag the project down. JJP have not released ONE SINGLE title yet, but the detractors line up like vultures to a carcass. %.%
Stern have been around a lot longer, and STILL make CONSTANT mistakes - designs, software and the general build standard is set by them, and it is a story of success in cost cutting. I'd be more worried about supporting the current stern line up than throwing stones at a newcomer with an obvious better build quality.. Most of my call outs are on late model Sterns that dealers don't / won't repair. Try getting spare parts for a Whitestar MPU (6 weeks and counting)..
So lets keep the negative vibe against a machine that is not even released yet. Let's sweep the constant build issues with their competition under the carpet. (((
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As far as I understand it... the board production company in the US has received the blanks from China, but they went through a whole process where they made a small quantity of EACH BOARD (there's the main driver board, possibly a lighting board, plus over a dozen other boards that mount under the playfield and elsewhere) which they wanted tested and approved before they would begin mass production.
I think what Jack's saying is what's coming in currently are quantities of single boards - ie. one board might be the middle of the Yellow Brick Road - but not complete sets of final production boards.
It's like you're producing a deck of cards, and all you've got so far are the diamonds and clubs, but you're waiting on the spades and hearts.
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I do this all the time for several customers I have in Australia. I can take an order from verbal to a run of 10 test boards in well under a month.
I have a bridge for sale as well if anyone is interested... &&
As far as I understand it... the board production company in the US has received the blanks from China, but they went through a whole process where they made a small quantity of EACH BOARD (there's the main driver board, possibly a lighting board, plus over a dozen other boards that mount under the playfield and elsewhere) which they wanted tested and approved before they would begin mass production.
I think what Jack's saying is what's coming in currently are quantities of single boards - ie. one board might be the middle of the Yellow Brick Road - but not complete sets of final production boards.
It's like you're producing a deck of cards, and all you've got so far are the diamonds and clubs, but you're waiting on the spades and hearts.
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My understanding is that a bridge divides the data traffic. This generally helps in data processing efficiencies.
Speaking of bridges, Sydney Harbour Bridge was built on time.
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Rome wasn't built in a day *)*
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Someone mentioned this on a post today from the Woz forum.
Jack also mentioned the new production boards today at MPE. He was going to show a picture but ran out of time. He noted that current prototype boards were created "in house" and simply are not up to production standards. He said it appears certain circuit connections are vulnerable to static and causing minor issues (including a possible issue they've seen with playfield lighting?) and they expect the quality of the production boards will resolve all of that.
I hadnt heard of these issues before. Not sure what it all means yet. Will wait for the new batch of boards that are ?? arriving on the 8th of the month and see if these fix the current board issues.
Nothing else to report, but still lots of discussion of flipper strength being not enough with playfield lowered to a angle which slows gameplay.
The guy who wrote the above post suggested playfields were lowered to overcome lack of flipper strength, then said he wasnt sure of if flippers were or werent a issue.
All different opinions on ths stuff, but I think the best opinions will be from Ausie buyers when they play the real games when set up in Australia.
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It's set up at the Melbourne home show today for anyone in the area
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Hahaha Pete that's pretty funny.
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I am not busting JJP's balls
Really??
Someone should be
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I think the WOZ pin will be great, but the extra long wait may rub some of the shine off of it. ?
I still think they are a few months away from starting the production line. These boards are still in design and testing, and redesign and retesting stages. Its going to take quite a few weeks, perhaps a few months ? to make 1,000 board sets, once the board design and testing gets finished.
As long as they are here by Xmas, Santa will be v happy.
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I think the WOZ pin will be great, but the extra long wait may rub some of the shine off of it. ?
I still think they are a few months away from starting the production line. These boards are still in design and testing, and redesign and retesting stages. Its going to take quite a few weeks, perhaps a few months ? to make 1,000 board sets, once the board design and testing gets finished.
As long as they are here by Xmas, Santa will be v happy.
Yes - it will rub the shine off it for buyers that were there in the beginning. Having said that, this is JJP's first pinball machine. Not everything would run exactly on time. There's always a measure of delays for the first product as they learn the process. I look at it from this point of view - This platform is different from it's competitor's (mass producer of pinball) because it is using modern technology and there are innovations that the industry has not seen since the last innovation around the time of P2K. So there's a huge leap in technology and standards. Now JJP's competitors will be playing "catch up" and complacency is a thing of the past.
As a prospective NIB buyer, I would rather own a pinball with the right theme, rock solid reliability, availability of parts, completed code, real artwork (not Photoshopped rubbish), LEDs that don't fall out, clearcoat that is at least 3 layers with an even finish and most importantly - I want a game that does not have problems straight out the box.
I can wait for JJP, because their competitor has had years to sort out it's problems and has done nothing to address the myriad of problems with their builds.
So if I had paid a deposit for WOZ, I'd be frustrated. It is only natural. Since I have not, I am more understanding of the delays, and the desire for JJP to get it right from "game one".
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I believe Jack has done the right thing by standing his ground and not releasing it until it is right, yes he is copping it now but i fully believe that all this will be nothing but a distant memory not too long after release. Provided he has learned from this and he releases Hobbit on time this will all be forgotten and the game is what will be remembered, not the delay.
I just hope it lives up to everyones expectations after such a long wait, which i think it will.
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I think the WOZ pin will be great, but the extra long wait may rub some of the shine off of it. ?
I still think they are a few months away from starting the production line. These boards are still in design and testing, and redesign and retesting stages. Its going to take quite a few weeks, perhaps a few months ? to make 1,000 board sets, once the board design and testing gets finished.
As long as they are here by Xmas, Santa will be v happy.
Yes - it will rub the shine off it for buyers that were there in the beginning. Having said that, this is JJP's first pinball machine. Not everything would run exactly on time. There's always a measure of delays for the first product as they learn the process. I look at it from this point of view - This platform is different from it's competitor's (mass producer of pinball) because it is using modern technology and there are innovations that the industry has not seen since the last innovation around the time of P2K. So there's a huge leap in technology and standards. Now JJP's competitors will be playing "catch up" and complacency is a thing of the past.
As a prospective NIB buyer, I would rather own a pinball with the right theme, rock solid reliability, availability of parts, completed code, real artwork (not Photoshopped rubbish), LEDs that don't fall out, clearcoat that is at least 3 layers with an even finish and most importantly - I want a game that does not have problems straight out the box.
I can wait for JJP, because their competitor has had years to sort out it's problems and has done nothing to address the myriad of problems with their builds.
So if I had paid a deposit for WOZ, I'd be frustrated. It is only natural. Since I have not, I am more understanding of the delays, and the desire for JJP to get it right from "game one".
Well said......totally agree *%*
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Today is the new deadline for all the computerboards to turn up to JJP after the computer board deadline got missed a week or more ago.
Does anyone know or have heard IF the computer boards have all turned up, and if that being the final hurdle. has mow ?? been sorted, the production line is now starting up or not ?? !@#
I can answer my own question since I asked Jack from JJP the question etc.
Here is the response I got.
We we told it would be this week.
Boards have come in as ten of each sample production boards for
approval. As with anything that's a sample, it has to be examined and
tested. It's a process. We are not rushing this now to make a mistake
and have xxxxx many boards wrong.
I don't need more pressure put on top of this. We have enough pressure
on ourselves.
Nobody wants to ship games more than me.
If you need more information, call or e mail me.
So it appears another major date provided is likely to come n go. I am not busting JJP's balls, but they are the ones who provided the dates.
I wonder over the next few days or week or more if JJP buyers will get upset with production not starting, or if they will just roll with it as usual.??
As your are a self-professed wannabe one day Stern dealer, it is difficult not to see your recent line of JPP commentary as being anti-JPP. I'm sure it's not, but that's how it seems.
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Thanks to the David's at Bumper i got to have a few games today.
I will be the first to say the theme i personally do not care one way or the other, but i have to say WOW!
The Led's, ramps, toys, screen and build quality are amazing, the flipper strength issue is not an issue at all! It is perfectly balanced from my playtime, i had times where i hit the ramp 5 times in a row and others where it came screaming back at me and that was because it was not a 'clean' hit or shot. The leds are the best thing i have ever seen! EVER! It's not that they just change colour, it is that they are so vivid and strong with colour. As you can tell i was blown away by the Leds. I did not get to really start anything because i suck and it was on 2 ball but it felt like a well balanced machine, i had ball times that seemed to last a couple of minutes or more and others that lasted seconds!
The left upper playfield was fun and i enjoyed it, i did not get a go at the right upper playfield but i think that would be fun as well as rewarding. I can definately see the comparisons with TZ and to be honest it is a fair comparison, I would say it is TZ updated to todays tech with more flow! Both orbits i struggled to hit but when i did it felt great. The music......I know in my mind it was repetitive but i do know while i was playing i did not notice! Watching this and playing this i feel are 2 very different things, like any pinball really i guess. But for me the music was nowhere near as annoying as i was expecting and this is on unfinshed code!
It felt very solid and when the ball travelled on ramps, vuks or anywhere for that matter it felt smooth and nothing moved on the playfield. It was solid as a rock! All of the plastics and toys look top quality and made to last, the whole machine really does 'ooze' quality! As i said i did not get anything really started so i cant comment on modes or multiball, but looking at the playfield i can see where the modes will come into it. I am not a JJP fanboy or hater ,did not start any real modes or multiball, am not a fan of the theme, expected to walk away thinking 'meh' and i have to say i walked away thinking this will be an awesome pin to play when it is done.
I will be honest it is out of my price range and i doubt i will buy one for at least a few years, but i can tell you i WILL play this onsite and i could easily see it being in my collection at some point. And i NEVER thought i would say that about WOZ! I knew i would play it, but not consider owning it! I also know that my missus will love this machine and i feel that will be the same for alot of women out there. I even remember involuntarily laughing at a couple of the call outs and i have not seen the movie!
To everyone that has bought one i honestly believe it will be worth the wait! And us snipers waiting for buyers to sell due to being underwhelmed i don't think will happen much like AC/DC. To the haters i say stop hating and wait till you have played it, i was not a hater but i certainly did not care for it and i walked away writing all this!!
To JJP, yes you have taken to long! But after today, i have to say if i had invested in this machine i would be over the moon and would be very happy that you have stuck to your guns. I will pay more attention to JJP now, not because of him, his past, his themes, his popularity or his methods. But because of his GAME! The quality and care is just so obvious! Well done to the JJP team.
The future of pinball is looking great indeed!
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Thanks to the David's at Bumper i got to have a few games today.
I will be the first to say the theme i personally do not care one way or the other, but i have to say WOW!
The Led's, ramps, toys, screen and build quality are amazing, the flipper strength issue is not an issue at all! It is perfectly balanced from my playtime, i had times where i hit the ramp 5 times in a row and others where it came screaming back at me and that was because it was not a 'clean' hit or shot. The leds are the best thing i have ever seen! EVER! It's not that they just change colour, it is that they are so vivid and strong with colour. As you can tell i was blown away by the Leds. I did not get to really start anything because i suck and it was on 2 ball but it felt like a well balanced machine, i had ball times that seemed to last a couple of minutes or more and others that lasted seconds!
The left upper playfield was fun and i enjoyed it, i did not get a go at the right upper playfield but i think that would be fun as well as rewarding. I can definately see the comparisons with TZ and to be honest it is a fair comparison, I would say it is TZ updated to todays tech with more flow! Both orbits i struggled to hit but when i did it felt great. The music......I know in my mind it was repetitive but i do know while i was playing i did not notice! Watching this and playing this i feel are 2 very different things, like any pinball really i guess. But for me the music was nowhere near as annoying as i was expecting and this is on unfinshed code!
It felt very solid and when the ball travelled on ramps, vuks or anywhere for that matter it felt smooth and nothing moved on the playfield. It was solid as a rock! All of the plastics and toys look top quality and made to last, the whole machine really does 'ooze' quality! As i said i did not get anything really started so i cant comment on modes or multiball, but looking at the playfield i can see where the modes will come into it. I am not a JJP fanboy or hater ,did not start any real modes or multiball, am not a fan of the theme, expected to walk away thinking 'meh' and i have to say i walked away thinking this will be an awesome pin to play when it is done.
I will be honest it is out of my price range and i doubt i will buy one for at least a few years, but i can tell you i WILL play this onsite and i could easily see it being in my collection at some point. And i NEVER thought i would say that about WOZ! I knew i would play it, but not consider owning it! I also know that my missus will love this machine and i feel that will be the same for alot of women out there. I even remember involuntarily laughing at a couple of the call outs and i have not seen the movie!
To everyone that has bought one i honestly believe it will be worth the wait! And us snipers waiting for buyers to sell due to being underwhelmed i don't think will happen much like AC/DC. To the haters i say stop hating and wait till you have played it, i was not a hater but i certainly did not care for it and i walked away writing all this!!
To JJP, yes you have taken to long! But after today, i have to say if i had invested in this machine i would be over the moon and would be very happy that you have stuck to your guns. I will pay more attention to JJP now, not because of him, his past, his themes, his popularity or his methods. But because of his GAME! The quality and care is just so obvious! Well done to the JJP team.
The future of pinball is looking great indeed!
Great report and thanks for sharing ^^^
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Thanks to the David's at Bumper i got to have a few games today.
I will be the first to say the theme i personally do not care one way or the other, but i have to say WOW
The future of pinball is looking great indeed!
Thanks mate for a good unbiased review. I knew from other reports that quality would be A1 but from what you say it is better than A1.
My only nightmare is that my wife and 3 daughters will want one as the theme is right up their yellow brick road.
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Reports from USA regarding the limited code WOZ's that have been sited is that it way out performs any other pinball for many years. whether this is due to sheer curiosity or that the game genuinely attracts people who just want to play it because it screams PLAY ME is yet to be proven... delays or not, this machine does point a new way forward and the fact that there is so much discussion about it proves just how much it is keenly anticipated.. im sure if Playmatic were to reopen the factory doors there would be nowhere near as much heated debate.
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At the home show it was like a magnet just kept pulling people towards it. Biggest difference between this and other pins is it was the husbands dragging the wives away half the time
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Reports from USA regarding the limited code WOZ's that have been sited is that it way out performs any other pinball for many years. whether this is due to sheer curiosity or that the game genuinely attracts people who just want to play it because it screams PLAY ME is yet to be proven... delays or not, this machine does point a new way forward and the fact that there is so much discussion about it proves just how much it is keenly anticipated.. im sure if Playmatic were to reopen the factory doors there would be nowhere near as much heated debate.
That's great news for pinball that people are still putting coin into the slot, more money more pinballs hopefully :-)
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That hasnt happened multiple times now, and we find out that the truth is that boards are still in testing and design phase, not even ready for mass production. People were led to believe, according to my enquiries, that boards in finished mass numbers were arriving 8th April, and then the line could start...it has not.
The boards are not even ready to go to full production, and the line cannot start because of it.
The boards are designed. They are ready to go into production. The blanks have been received from China. What's happening right now is the board production company has sent off 10 of each board (there are at least a dozen of them) that they require the final okay on before beginning final mass production. Like the last proofreading of a novel, Jack doesn't want to have 1000 produced of something only to find a critical flaw that could've been caught and fixed before production. My guess is that the proofing is complete, and the final sets are supposed to begin arriving this week. Prior posts indicate that he has received mass quantities of individual boards, but not all of the boards yet.
And yes, I too was expecting everything on the 8th, not the week of the 8th.
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Jacks own words were (to the effect) "this is what we can expect of manufacturing in the USA" - now we find out the boards are actually made in China......
I have no problem with that - they will probably be better than USA made ones BUT where is the truth???
I'm glad it looks like we might actually be close to seeing finished machines but really, if Stern carried on like this imagine the kerfuffle......
I also fully understand that it is the first machine but JJP put themselves in a sticky position by taking peoples money upfront - YEARS upfront.....and then to take money on a second title - please, that's close to fraudulent IMO.
That hasnt happened multiple times now, and we find out that the truth is that boards are still in testing and design phase, not even ready for mass production. People were led to believe, according to my enquiries, that boards in finished mass numbers were arriving 8th April, and then the line could start...it has not.
The boards are not even ready to go to full production, and the line cannot start because of it.
The boards are designed. They are ready to go into production. The blanks have been received from China. What's happening right now is the board production company has sent off 10 of each board (there are at least a dozen of them) that they require the final okay on before beginning final mass production. Like the last proofreading of a novel, Jack doesn't want to have 1000 produced of something only to find a critical flaw that could've been caught and fixed before production. My guess is that the proofing is complete, and the final sets are supposed to begin arriving this week. Prior posts indicate that he has received mass quantities of individual boards, but not all of the boards yet.
And yes, I too was expecting everything on the 8th, not the week of the 8th.
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Jacks own words were (to the effect) "this is what we can expect of manufacturing in the USA" - now we find out the boards are actually made in China......
No, no. The board *blanks* were made in China. Unpopulated. The boards are being populated with components, wave soldered, etc, in the USA. They would be allowed to bear "made in USA".
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Reports from USA regarding the limited code WOZ's that have been sited is that it way out performs any other pinball for many years. whether this is due to sheer curiosity or that the game genuinely attracts people who just want to play it because it screams PLAY ME is yet to be proven... delays or not, this machine does point a new way forward and the fact that there is so much discussion about it proves just how much it is keenly anticipated.. im sure if Playmatic were to reopen the factory doors there would be nowhere near as much heated debate.
New Kid on the Block will create this kind of interest. Especially considering Jack was Stern's No 1 Dealer before starting JJP.
Half baked unfinished code out performing the current "fixes" and "changes" of "fixes" that "change" things that already worked.. ^&^
Playmatic, Recel, Euroflip ^&^ ^&^ ^&^
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Jacks own words were (to the effect) "this is what we can expect of manufacturing in the USA" - now we find out the boards are actually made in China......
No, no. The board *blanks* were made in China. Unpopulated. The boards are being populated with components, wave soldered, etc, in the USA. They would be allowed to bear "made in USA".
Fair enough - my misunderstanding
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I also fully understand that it is the first machine but JJP put themselves in a sticky position by taking peoples money upfront - YEARS upfront.....and then to take money on a second title - please, that's close to fraudulent IMO.
Agree, but there is precedent - Gene with Big Bang Bar was long overdue, but delivered a product better than anything Stern has copied since, and off course we had the MM debacle and the open order form for Cactus Canyon sitting there through it all.
Perhaps we pinheads are just gullible?
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lets lighten things up
here is a snapshot of the WOZ rules overview - not everything but something to ponder
it is a great way to show people what to do, looks good, great use of the lcd
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QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine. !@# !@# !@# !@#
Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)
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QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine. !@# !@# !@# !@#
Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)
Fair enough point..
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QUESTION - So if u have a Avengers on site, or a Tron, or a X Men, are most kids, younger people, most adults going to walk past the new well known stuff, and walk up to a 1939 Movie title machine. !@# !@# !@# !@#
Well, when the pin based on a 1939 movie looks like it was made in 2012, and the pin based on a 2012 movie looks like it was made in 1992... ;-)
Except nothing can change the fact that the theme is GAY (not that there's anything wrong with that) - maybe it appeals to Americans but it just won't have the same appeal here or, I suspect, in EU
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Swinksy, the green screens look excellent. I think its going to be very popular. I hope the code keeps evolving long after release.
I think it will to get more Hobbitt buyers and future title sales as well.
Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ? !@#
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Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ? !@#
The point isn't that people might think the machine was actually made 20 years ago, the point is technology has progressed and pinball hasn't kept up. You could give a tween the latest Bieber album on a cassette and it doesn't matter if the content is brand new, because the technology it's on is old.
No matter how much the average pinhead feels that their personal nostalgia trumps all, in an arcade it's the machine's job to attract paying customers. Attention-getting items like a big color LCD screen, bright multi-color LEDs flashing everywhere and a playfield packed solid with 3D toys, will do that better than a tiny monochrome DMD with worse resolution than a 15-year old cell phone, static colored lights, and a barren playfield. In a highly competitive environment, a good theme means nothing if people walk right by you to get to something else that managed to catch their attention first.
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Sunfox, I hadnt heard that one about a 2012/2013 machine looking like it was from 1992 before.
The only thing is, is if the movie was released in 2012 etc, it would be hard for people to confuse it with something made 20 yrs before ? !@#
The point isn't that people might think the machine was actually made 20 years ago, the point is technology has progressed and pinball hasn't kept up. You could give a tween the latest Bieber album on a cassette and it doesn't matter if the content is brand new, because the technology it's on is old.
No matter how much the average pinhead feels that their personal nostalgia trumps all, in an arcade it's the machine's job to attract paying customers. Attention-getting items like a big color LCD screen, bright multi-color LEDs flashing everywhere and a playfield packed solid with 3D toys, will do that better than a tiny monochrome DMD with worse resolution than a 15-year old cell phone, static colored lights, and a barren playfield. In a highly competitive environment, a good theme means nothing if people walk right by you to get to something else that managed to catch their attention first.
Sorry, as a player I can not keep my eye on the big color TV screen or the cell phone DMD for longer than 2 seconds. I'd rather keep my eyes on the balls.
Granted, most of Stern development team are ex Williams from the 90's and you can't teach old dogs new tricks. AC/DC is certainly doing something right out there without all the bells (well one) and whistles (well maybe Rosie). There is a pinball resurgence since 2010 which is based on home collector demand and not arcade paying customers. JJP has come in to ride that wave JIT but the resurgence was not created by JJP, he just came in at the right time and I am sure he will make the most of it and give the industry more life.
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Hey guys .. how about getting this thread back on topic instead of mud slinging ?
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Hey guys .. how about getting this thread back on topic instead of mud slinging ?
Good point.
The thread has been cleaned up (again). So here's the deal ;
1 - If anyone wants to continue with the same mud slinging, expect a holiday. There are other forums that enjoy that type of BS, but it won't be tolerated on AP any longer. We have had enough reports to ban members based on their behavior. We have been VERY lenient so far. Don't bother sending PMs or emails to mods about us "taking sides" or crap like that. This is no "women's knitting club". It takes two to tango, on both sides of the fence need to pull up equally.
2 - No more linking or posting from JJP forum (which is private anyway). If you want to argue and criticize WOZ or JJP with speculative crap, go do it on their forums. If something OFFICIAL appears on a NEWS website or JJP's Website (not forum) - that's fine. This is a good discussion point.
3 - We installed a new feature called "ignore user". You don't have to use it, but it is there.
Enough is enough people - Even "I" am sick to death with dealing with people who are supposed to be adults. Anyone that posts AFTER this message has read this post and understands the above - so there are NO EXCUSES for posting crap and slinging mud. If this starts up again, there will be consequences.
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Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.
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Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.
Sorry, you didn't read the crap because I moved it (archived) for the benefit of members who didn't like the insults etc. It does not belong here.
I didn't remove opinions on WOZ, I removed opinions on members.
If someone has an opinion on WOZ being a bucket of crap, or the best thing since sliced bread - then go ahead - say whatever you want. Keep the discussion going - but play the ball, not the man ^^^
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Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.
Sorry, you didn't read the crap because I moved it (archived) for the benefit of members who didn't like the insults etc. It does not belong here.
I didn't remove opinions on WOZ, I removed opinions on members.
If someone has an opinion on WOZ being a bucket of crap, or the best thing since sliced bread - then go ahead - say whatever you want. Keep the discussion going - but play the ball, not the man ^^^
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I will try n find a link for the JJP Competition - Free WOZ LE - for the correct date/delivery guess. I will look on the JJP Official site for a link.etc ^^^
A good picture I found, below.
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I've contacted Tony "Ant68" and he will post official info, or even "behind the scenes" info direct from Jack himself - if he has the time.
My personal opinion on WOZ has not changed - A strange theme that I would not buy, but the Hobbit definitely interests me. The sooner WOZ is delivered to people's gamesrooms and arcades, the better.
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Where's the mud slinging ? Different opinions more like it.
Sorry, you didn't read the crap because I moved it (archived) for the benefit of members who didn't like the insults etc. It does not belong here.
I didn't remove opinions on WOZ, I removed opinions on members.
If someone has an opinion on WOZ being a bucket of crap, or the best thing since sliced bread - then go ahead - say whatever you want. Keep the discussion going - but play the ball, not the man ^^^
Fair enough. I missed the crap.
Apology to goodolddays.
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Here is a picture I was emailed of a guy who has placed a spare WOZ playfield with mini playfield on the roof and has lit it from behind. Neat !
picture below >
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I wrote to Jack yesterday and asked him if he would take a video of the factory for me to show all the different work they have been doing etc, and asked if he could include the offices and unseen stuff no-one has seen before.
Well, within an hour Jack sent me a video that he had taken with his phone as he is walking around and doing the talking, showing apx 100 cabinets all fitted out, about 70 or more playfields all decked out top n bottom, and other cool stuff . That video went for apx 45 seconds.
I have tried uploading it but its some weird movie-maker file so a no go.
Since I asked for a factory video tour, Jack said he will now do another longer video this week when he has some customers who are coming into the factory with video cameras etc, so keep an eye out on youtube for a brand new JJP factory video tour. ^^^
p.s - the playfield n toy shine on the WOZ playfields is just amazing. The clearcoat is the best any pinny has ever had. Factory looks great.
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Nice one Brett, good work ^^^.
Hopefully you can add the link when the new video is uploaded.
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UPDATE
1. Jack emailed me and said the NEW JJP Factory Tour is being filmed Saturday apparently. It should appear within a few days or a week on both the JJP forum and Youtube (plus Pinside etc etc) subject to how much time they spend editing.
2. Also, Jack has sent me something in the mail/courier which I will be sharing here and (sending out) and sharing his generosity to other AP members.
Hopefully the package/box travels quick but more on that later.
p. s- he said Tony bought him a really cool Video camera, so I am assuming it is our Tony (ANT) ?
Also, Bumper Action will be sending back to JJP this week its current WOZ Prototype, and Jack said he is replacing it with a brand new machine about the same time which has the new boardsets and new versions of production stuff. So look out for a newer WOZ at Bumper in the next week or two.
I will definitely be buying a WOZ after seeing some factory stuff. The quality is amazing, and the new code is just awesome.
Its getting better n better all the time.
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
First I've heard this one going back well not until we get our container anyway
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
First I've heard this one going back well not until we get our container anyway
%.% Bretts all over it! The man with contacts! ^^^
I plan on taking the missus in to see WoZ tomorrow, I have a feeling that i may regret it. ()
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Jack was kind enough to tell me about the WOZ machine being swapped out at Bumper. Dan u will hear of it soon enough from Management I guess.
Jack was kind enough to let me know about the video tour being done USA Saturday after I kindly asked him directly if he could do one for everyone.
I asked him politely if he could send me something that I could share with fellow AP members. When it arrives soon I will post both info and photos etc.
Like Steve Ritchie, John Borg or George Gomez or even Gary Stern, all top people, Jersey Jack is a easy man to approach.
Also, whilst sometimes I feel a bit miffed about JJP being late, and like a lot of people, I ask questions, I am also highly positive about the JJP product being a winner. If you are in a bad mood its easy to be critical of JJP, if you are in a good mood, its easy to be positive about everything.
I personally think Jack has been let down repeatedly by various suppliers along the way, but Jack cops it on the chin and he forges ahead. They are so close to starting the production line, u can smell it.
All boards have now been given the green light, and all boards are now being made in their hundreds.
Soon, the JJP factory will be stacked with workers and WOZ machines will be rolling down the line and out the door.
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Hahaha yeah wouldn't suprise me that the sole distributor is the last to find out anything.
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
First I've heard this one going back well not until we get our container anyway
%.% Bretts all over it! The man with contacts! ^^^
I plan on taking the missus in to see WoZ tomorrow, I have a feeling that i may regret it. ()
You do realise that the moment your wife sees the quality of the cabinet and clearcoated playfield/toys etc, you are going to be reaching into your pocket.lol
It just goes to show how Roger Sharpe (pinball legend) was wrong about his demographics saying this machine only appealed to over 60 yr old women at casinos, because the reports from everywhere are that younger ladies (wifes n girlfriends) of all pinball peoples are really liking this machine.
That's a market no-one seems to have been able to tap into before. If getting all of our wives n girlfriends to say YES more often to a pinny is the result of WOZ, Jack has come up with the magic potion every male pinball collector has been looking for.lol %.%
Imagine going home and your wife says I ordered a brand new pinny today, and I also payed for it cause I wanted this one. $#$
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
It's all been posted previously on the WOZ buyers "private" forum by Jack himself.
You should email Jack and sign up as the Bumper rep, that way you can get the info first hand straight from the forum.
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
First I've heard this one going back well not until we get our container anyway
Bretts all over it! The man with contacts!
I plan on taking the missus in to see WoZ tomorrow, I have a feeling that i may regret it.
Let us know how you go. Your WOZ review must have had a reaction more than just on the AP forum...seems it's got the misses interested too. What does she think of your current collection?
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
It's all been posted previously on the WOZ buyers "private" forum by Jack himself.
You should email Jack and sign up as the Bumper rep, that way you can get the info first hand straight from the forum.
I'm struggling to find time to read this forum let alone another one lol.
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How do you find all this shit out cavey lol.
It's all been posted previously on the WOZ buyers "private" forum by Jack himself.
You should email Jack and sign up as the Bumper rep, that way you can get the info first hand straight from the forum.
That is totally not correct.
The information I received directly from Jack via personal email.
If any of it was posted later on the WOZ private forum then that's up to Jack etc, but the information I have listed here, that hasn't been seen before by anyone on AP, is from private emails Jack himself sent me.
Just like the box of JJP surprises Jack is sending me, its all arranged via a private email.
I don't believe Jack has posted anything about the machine changing out at Bumper either, and if he has, I haven't seen it on the other forum either.
I sent Jack a few private emails, and he was kind enough to email me back privately. Simple as that.
Jack also sent me a 45 second video he did on his I.Phone which he walks around the factory and talks at the same time, this video hasn't been published anywhere, I tried to share it but I cant upload it. I have sent it to one member who is buying a WOZ and he enjoyed it.
Jack has been extremely friendly and generous.
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Friday 9.30am New York City.
I should be at Reciprocal Skate and Pinball later this afternoon
RUMOUR is that they have a WOZ.
IF thats true I will play it, see it and be able to make , at last, a completely informed opinion.
IF it is true I will also ask him how the game has been 'received' by the his customers, most of which I dare say would not be 60+ year old women ( that I also reckon the game is made for ).........considering he is a Skate shop , he would have a younger crowd and I can ask his opinion of how its going with that crowd, if the game is so spectacular then I reckon he should tell me the 16 - 30 year old men all love it.
IF he doesnt have it - then this post is invalid :lol
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Interesting one Wotto for sure.
I wonder how a WOZ machine fits in
It will be interesting to see how many young people do play it and what they really think ? !@#
If they have a WOZ, a photo would be good, and I wonder what software it is running (u can always turn it off and turn it back on again to see what comes up software version wise ??) that's a dare.lol Dont disappoint us, or upset the shops security.lol Say u are a pinball tech (from Australia .lol) %.%
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He didnt have a WOZ - he DOES have one on order ( see my travel thread for pics etc )
So its a wait until next Thursday night ( here ) with Bert when we play at San Diego Pinball Club as they DEFINITELY already have one.
Report then ^^^
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Good News is that we now have received the first batch of production board sets. Better news is that we are completing full production games now with all production parts and we will be shipping games after our burn-in testing cycle. Next week we will have more sets of boards....more games and that's the same for many weeks after.
JP Distributor, Abel Electronics will be at "Pinball at the Zoo" this weekend in Kalamazoo, Michigan with a WOZ. The game will have the latest code update. For more info, visit - http://www.pinballatthezoo.com/
Our Team has started The Hobbit LE and the game is on track for 2014. We already know that it will have multiple metal ramps, multiple flippers, feature "That Dragon" and be a fast paced game. It's already easier since Joe + Co. can focus on game elements and not drawing thousands of parts that need to be tooled for the first time.
Jeff Busch is drawing the Hobbit LE artwork and the game will incorporate all three movies and we will be able to show some playfield details soon.
We are happy to announce that "Two Steps from Hell" will produce the music for The Hobbit Pinball Machine. Two Steps From Hell,was founded in 2006 by composers Nick Phoenix and Thomas Bergersen. Two Steps can be heard worldwide in the ad campaigns for blockbusters such as "Oz The Great And Powerful", "Harry Potter", Dark Knight", "The Hobbit", "Wolverine", "Skyfall", "Lord Of The Rings", "Spiderman", "Bourne Identity", "Indiana Jones 4" and "Lincoln".
Two Steps From Hell is at the forefront of a new "Epic" music genre and have almost a billion views on YouTube and have 3 top selling albums on iTunes. The first album "Invincible" is about to become a certified Gold record. Their music can also be heard featured in television shows such as "America's Got Talent", "X-Factor" and "The Super Bowl 2013". Nick and Thomas have also worked with Hans Zimmer on two films, Sherlock Holmes 2 and Pirates Of The Caribbean 4. Two Steps From Hell will wrap up the E3 convention this summer with a concert at Walt Disney Concert Hall on June 14. This is their premiere concert and features 130 musicians from around the world.
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a few more
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PinballNews has just done a quick story/update about JJP and the Wizard of OZ as well.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index38.html
The video I asked Jack to do, is still on track for today/tomorrow, so lets hope it gets shot, edited n uploaded these next few days/week.
All I have to convince him to do now, is to send me a WOZ LE for half price.lol %.% I wish.lol
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Went to bumper today with the missus and she loves it! Gotta say i am starting to like it more as well.
Bring on a JJP machine that has a theme i love!! I will sign up straight away! Resident Evil, Fifth Element or Futurama would be nice!
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I'd buy a resident evil
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Jack wants to focus on family friendly games, so I'd say if there is ever a Resident Evil pin it would probably be made by another manufacturer. The other two themes would fit the mould, so could be possibilities.
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yeh, he did say no guns, no boobs, no violence or anti church sort of ,for his pinball machines.
doesn't leave a lot left.lol that cancels out 99 percent of USA made movies, but this thinking could lead to really cool licences from Disney perhaps or someone else with stuff like Scooby Doo, or something like that which is still a cool theme, even though it doesn't have realistic guns, boobs or violence etc.
I wonder if over time Jack softens that approach if he has a great licence/title on offer/in the think tank and he has to modify his decisions ??
whats a good theme without guns, boobs n violence or anti church type stuff. ??? !@# now u have to think outside the box.lol
But having said all that, is fantasy bloodshed and weapons on the OK list, did anyone get killed in the Hobbitt movie, didn't various people carry weapons etc ? So maybe the make believe world is still OK, but not make believe violence or weapons incl real humans like Resident Evil.
Perhaps non licenced stuff for JJP could be a huge winner. I am going to sit down tonight and think of as many ideas/cool titles as I can n send them off to Jack. Ya never know, something one of us Aussies/AP members think of could one day make it into production at JJP.
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Maybe he could make a Marilyn Manson pinball since music titles are the Rae at the moment lol
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Maybe he could make a Marilyn Manson pinball since music titles are the Rae at the moment lol
Imagine if Marilyn Manson walked into Jacks warehouse, Jack would think the anti-Christ had appeared. lol %.% %.%
Marilyn Manson, last seen playing a WOZ machine before Jack shipped him off to China in a empty WOZ packing box. *)*
Someone shld ask Jack what his favourite bands are etc, he might look at a music pinny as well. !@#
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Alice Cooper - that's my vote (yep, I'm an old fart - but he is still touring)
Everything from guillotines, to bats, great music, bleeding women, jail cells.....what more could you need!
An his book is brilliant - chuck some golf in there as well and he'll come around and sign it I recon (still plays every day - imagine him turning up at your local snobby course? Plays of handicap of 4 I think)
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JJP's facebook page has released a photo of their new coin door, complete with audio jack for earphones/headphones and it has a really neat digital display for the volume up n down etc. Go to JJP's facebook page to read more.
Jack says it was almost 12 months in the design because it is also going to come with a note/cash bill acceptor as well as a credit card slot, and the normal coin slots etc. 3 ways to get your money. Great design for operators.
photo below
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yeh, he did say no guns, no boobs, no violence or anti church sort of ,for his pinball machines.
!@# doesn't leave him with many options now does it. Where's the fun ?
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Paraphrasing probably doesn't help. His exact quote is:
"We are going to build games that appeal to mass audiences, Women and kids and everyone in a effort to build a bigger player base for pinball. I'm going to stay family friendly with our games. No violence, guns that kill people, (maybe a ray gun) nothing to glorify drug use, no boobs with the headlights on.....just wholesome family amusement and entertainment."
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Quick question re the new coin door.
If you were buying, or looking to buy the WOZ machine, would you leave the coin door black, powdercoat it the same Emerald Green as the other metal work on the game, or go for a chrome finish ? (need swinksys photoshop expertise here.lol) ? !@#
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Green for sure. Would match everything better.
Off to the powdercoaters again - so long as it's easy to diassemble the headphone jack.
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another little video
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Is the game play on the video slowed down or is that in real time?
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I think it was slowed down so we could see the ball meaningly. Its lightning fast by all recent accounts from the last show in the USA.
Below, is a video Jack sent. Jack said when the factory starting producing machines and the production line had started, he would do cart wheels, and the video below is from Jack practicing apparently on the grass at JJP Headquarters.
Every single thing Jack promises comes true sooner or later. What a top bloke that he can still have fun with everybody.
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Apparently the first 2 x completed WOZ machines ready to be sent out. Pinside is a buzz today with people wondering who will win the free WOZ machine for guessing who will receive the first fully finished production Wizard of OZ machine (prototype test/dealer/show games not included).
This photo will probably be framed and put on Jacks office wall.
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"Greatest Pinball Ever Made" - unsure if this a Bumper statement or a Jersey Jack statement, big call given the number of superb games made since the inception of pinball.
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The video was good, the girls voice was dreadful ! &^&
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UPDATE
Apparently JJP have been making machines for a week now, the factory is singing along with some staff (more workers to come this next week or two-alot more apparently as more board sets arrive) and apparently trucks are starting to be filled, and some new WOZ owners should be receiving their new toys this next day or so, and perhaps a few may have even received their machines over the weekend.
Apparently Bumper is saying that a Container of machines will be leaving the JJP factory around the end of May, with apx 6 weeks apx on the water.
So everything is going really well so far for JJP and its customers. Well done Jack and team JJP.
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Check out this Update guys ! Nothing to huge but a bit of action at JJP.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index39.html
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Oh please delete this link ^&^. We advised that the voice be removed Bella is a lovely beautiful lady but that voice In That video @.@
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I think u are trying to say the voice was awful, but Bella is very nice ! !@#
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Yes that's it cavey Bella Is very nice but her voice in that video sounds terrible
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Two of my american friends have received the call that their woz's are shipping
Woot
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JJP's update
Greetings JJP Fans:
Today marks one of our biggest milestones as Jersey Jack Pinball, Inc. proudly announces that it has begun shipping Wizard of Oz Pinball Machines!
While the proverbial yellow brick road may have been a bit longer than anticipated, we are absolutely thrilled to be shipping games now. In these coming weeks the game code will continue to evolve with regular updates as Keith and Ted implement more modes and rules.....If you "tweet", we have created a special Twitter Page to announce code updates when they're ready. We will also announce when code updates are available on on the Jersey Jack Pinball Facebook Page .
We are completing more games daily and shipping them as they go through burn-in and final testing. The games are shipping in the queue in which orders were placed.
Whether you have been following our journey since day one, or have recently found out about our company, Thank You. This experience has been extremely special and we could not have imagined abundance of support we have been given. JJP couldn't be more thrilled that The Award Winning game has begun to make its way to amusement centers, taverns, truck stops, amusement parks and home game rooms around the globe!
A billion ideas, thousands of parts and millions of dollars have created this game for you!
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Update Link is here >
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/SHIP-SHIP-HOORAY---.html?soid=1104524641178&aid=OYJBKr5RGRY
And the video link for Jack doing a cartwheel as the first Semi-trailer pulls out of JJP fully loaded up with pinball machines - well done Jack and team JJP !
http://youtu.be/rPzvDoUH938
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and MORE great stuff for Jack and JJP !
PinballNews have done a update page as well with photos of Jack doing his famous handstand.
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/wizardofoz/index39.html
A neat photo below, but check out the link above as well. ^^^
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At least there slowly starting to move the games to there new owners.
Peter
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I wonder if Bumper will be advantaged or disadvantaged? Surely they would send all at once, and it depends if they honor the early buyers to get them out sooner rather than later?
Might have to do a bit of sneaky investigation.
not too worried, my LOTR just turned up at the front door.........................
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I wonder if Bumper will be advantaged or disadvantaged? Surely they would send all at once, and it depends if they honor the early buyers to get them out sooner rather than later?
Might have to do a bit of sneaky investigation.
not too worried, my LOTR just turned up at the front door.........................
When Bumpers container leaves at the end of May, I would be surprised if they didn't put every single WOZ order in it to capitalise on the ease and security of it all. Certainly would make things easier for both JJP and Aussie WOZ customers ?? Just have to wait n see or send a email to Jen at JJP or the guys at Bumper ??
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Great news for all WOZ buyers. Hopefully you all get a knock on the door soon. *%*
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Here is a photo of one of the first production WOZ games delivered to the Seattle Pinball Museum. Notice its next to a ACDC Pinball.
Best of both worlds. Cool !
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A gent picking up his brand new WOZ from the JJP factory ! His game was number 12.
photo below >
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Here is a recent video, taken by one of JJP's software programmers. This is version 1.01, the first batch shipped with version 1.02.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/3OmfKpgBNps?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/3OmfKpgBNps?autoplay=1&rel=0)
It came with the following information:
This video is a bit old but you get to see a random crystal ball mode and munchkin frenzy and a wizard award. This is only a few new bits
Note the modes stack so at first when I lit frenzy, lights out was still running till one ball drained. Crystal ball modes are 2 ball multi's
You also get to see new lighting effects. Some in attract mode. You get to see the blue "flash" when you hit a "ball" target.
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made me want to buy one even more......with code updates often, this shld be an amazing machine....well done JJP and team.
thankyou for adding the video solar value. ^^^
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Some more set up photos below of a gent taking his WOZ home (apparently first home customer with number 12 WOZ LE)
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a few more photos
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Another short video, taken at the recent Allentown show. This one shows some lighting effects, animations and basic rules:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/jpET-E9tEKU?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/jpET-E9tEKU?autoplay=1&rel=0)
Also, Pinnovators have made a couple of mods for the game including an audio input board to turn the game into a jukebox and an external master volume control which fits on the coin door:
Text and photos from Pinnovators:
For those who ventured over to the Pinnovators booth in allentown we unveiled two aftermarket products. One is the audio input board for Jjp games. This will allow you to turn any Jjp game into a Juke Box using your iPod, iPhone, droid, or any mp3 device. Flick a switch and you can play any music you want while the game is in attract mode, cough or not sure why you would want to but even during game play.. Our other item will be a master volume control built into the door plate. People were asking for this option so much recently that we prototyped one last week and brought it to the show. This also will work for any Jjp machine going forward and plugs directly into the door.
We will be taking no deposit pre orders emails as we did at the show if anyone interested just email me directly at lorenzo@pinnovators.com. Price point isn't finalized but it should be about $50 for the audio input board kit plug n play, and about $45 for the master volume door controls.
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Pinnovators.com
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Great post, thanks
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Anymore been shipped?
Peter
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I here an intial shipment of 33 to Bumper late May, then not another lot till months after that. About 100 coming to Australia all up, not all through Bumper
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Ant, when will yours arrive?
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I haven't got a shipment date yet Pete .
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Grain of salt, grain of salt, grain of salt. #@#
http://pinside.com/pinball/top-100
WoZ debuts on the pinside top 100 at number 17.
ACDC LE/Prem drops out of top 10 (peaked at number 8).
Prediction that Metallica will debut in top 5?
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Yes I saw that and that is with the first release code. There must be something in those red sflippers so WOZ will jump to #1 for sure, shame I hate the theme.
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Yes I saw that and that is with the first release code. There must be something in those red sflippers so WOZ will jump to #1 for sure, shame I hate the theme.
if you do not like the theme then why read (and comment in ) the WOZ thread?
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Yes I saw that and that is with the first release code. There must be something in those red sflippers so WOZ will jump to #1 for sure, shame I hate the theme.
if you do not like the theme then why read (and comment in ) the WOZ thread?
I like what JJP is doing. I read everything to do with pinball, whether I like it or not. WOZ is a major step in pinball and I show interest in how it goes. Just do not like the theme, that's all. My honest opinion and not a bash.
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Grain of salt, grain of salt, grain of salt. #@#
Prediction that Metallica will debut in top 5?
For a short while %$%
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A longer gameplay video. This machine has the latest code (1.04) but it is a prototype (rather than production) game. Apparently many of the awards that are in the current software package were not achieved during this game (crystal ball awards and multiball, rescue multiball, etc.) so there is still a lot of things in version 1.04 which are not seen in this video:
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Here is a quick calculation on the woz shipping dates based on current production numbers. My number is 461 and I placed in approx May 2011.
WoZ Shipping estimator
Enter your approximate place in queue/1000 461
Enter estimated Number of Machines being built per week 10
Number built since Production began (approx) 12
Estimated number of weeks till shipping 44.9
Estimated shipping date 19/03/2014
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Looks like that last video went private...here's another from Arcade-Hunters: playing a production machine at the Allentown show (Version 1.04):
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In other news...famed pinball-tech from RGP, and now Pinside, Lloyd (LTG) has been employed by JJP as technical support/service manager.
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someone said Bumper had quoted $1750 to ship a WOZ from JJP. sounds expensive to me.
I was prev quoted $1250. has anyone else got any shipping quotes from JJP or Bumper to bring in a WOZ or Hobbitt ? !@#
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worth checking out
http://www.pincrush.com/
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not much to add, JJP built a total of apx 10 games only last week, and have built apparently only 30 games in total over the last 4 weeks.
something tells me they are still waiting on board sets which for some reason are still only trickling through at a snails pace.
Jack was sending/posting out a box to me some weeks ago but it hasnt turned up, or ? been sent.
will have to send another email chasing it up again.
anyone heard if the Bumper container is or isn't on track for the next fortnight based on the current production figures ?
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Hahahahaha what there still not here. *!@
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Hahahahaha what there still not here. *!@
I am seeing a trend, but it was a gift, so I hope it arrives soon-ish %$%
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Explanation of ruleset of software version 1.08 by one of the JJP programmers:
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Wowzers! This just keeps getting better. Hurry up and build more so I can play mine! Probably need the glass off as well to do half of that
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Wowzers! This just keeps getting better. Hurry up and build more so I can play mine! Probably need the glass off as well to do half of that
Good video have you guys been told when to expect yours?
Peter
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Nothing official yet
I don't think that Jack has shipped 40 machines yet
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Bumpers first lot were being shipped at the end of May I thought,
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Shipping estimator posted a few pages back predicts next year for mine at the current manufacturing levels.
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Bumper likes to make announcements
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Shipping estimator posted a few pages back predicts next year for mine at the current manufacturing levels.
No way! Don't take this the wrong way but have you lost abit of interest in it due to the length of time??
Peter
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Shipping estimator posted a few pages back predicts next year for mine at the current manufacturing levels.
No way! Don't take this the wrong way but have you lost abit of interest in it due to the length of time??
Peter
Honestly, yes quite a bit.
I jumped on board late in the game and went direct so I would expect Bumper customers to receive theirs well before mine in the queue.
Having said that, the next year calculator was based on JJ's initial startup rate of 10 machines per week. Any increase in that rate (and I would have to assume they will be manufactured faster and more efficiently as time goes on) will shorten that waiting period considerably.
That next year prediction should be taken as a "worst case scenario".
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November 2011, November 2014, same difference, I will have some faith when the first expected delivery/shipping date is met... Late May shipping (about now), arrival in July. Bit to quiet for my liking, another delay??
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Last I heard was 26th of may for the first container. Fingers crossed %.%
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Nothing official yet
I don't think that Jack has shipped 40 machines yet
There was that vid of a semi trailer leaving and JJ doing cartwheels (or trying) , where did that go? And what was in it?
Might have been an empty truck leaving a depot next door, lol. Six to eight weeks to go, should be here around the same time as the Metallica machines..
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They are trickling out to US customers at the moment. Probably 30 out so far. I'm off to NY in 3 weeks, so going to drive down to JJP and have a look for myself. Not sick of waiting yet, plenty of other games to fill my time. I thnk it will be worth the wait. Then the wait stars for the hobbit..... The P3....
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They are trickling out to US customers at the moment. Probably 30 out so far. I'm off to NY in 3 weeks, so going to drive down to JJP and have a look for myself. Not sick of waiting yet, plenty of other games to fill my time. I thnk it will be worth the wait. Then the wait stars for the hobbit..... The P3....
Cool going there can't wait for photos! To big for hand luggage lol
Peter
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Slash got his WOZLE, seems a bit of clash of characters
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Nice photo! Smile for the camera %.%
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Why the sunnies?
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It's a rock star thing @.@
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It's a rock star thing @.@
Ah, not the bright LEDs and flashers.
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Explanation of ruleset of software version 1.08 by one of the JJP programmers:
Wow my video made it all the way over to another continent :)
And I see homepin talking smack here too. :)
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WOZ @ bumper A looks very Impressive $#$
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WOZ @ bumper A looks very Impressive $#$
Have they still got the old proto machine?
Peter
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WOZ @ bumper A looks very Impressive $#$
Have they still got the old proto machine?
Peter
they still have the proto machine, though it will be swapped over for a production game when they receive their first proper shippment
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Yep still have the prototype
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At last...a gameplay video of a decent length posted by a new owner (turn your laptops sideways):
http://www.youtube.com/embed/SU3uGntvMRY?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/SU3uGntvMRY?autoplay=1&rel=0)
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looks very good @@*
Now i got a crook neck &^&
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Impressive. Looks like an Easy game to play.
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here is the rotated version of a full game
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It seems that Jack is still working on orders he received on the first day
Those of us who waited a few days seen to have a long wait in front of us
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Oh dear.. we all thought that once the boards arrived the tedious waiting game would start to come to an end for WOZ buyers but things are moving painfully slow at Jacks end still.
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Even though there was pictures two months ago of 40 machines ready to go, just waiting on the boards , it seems that only 100 Le's haved shipped but productoib of the standard version has started
'First to pay, first right play' seems like BS at the moment
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Off to bumper today to have a bash on WOZ with Blair I'm looking forward to it :-)
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Let us know your thoughts Peter.
Anyone heard from Brett? Hope he's alright.
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Maybe Jack pulled a hamstring while doing the cartwheel ?
Best thing to do is call the distributor and ask for the reason(s) for the delay and demand an ETA ?
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Maybe Jack pulled a hamstring while doing the cartwheel ?
Best thing to do is call the distributor and ask for the reason(s) for the delay and demand an ETA ?
I have had three dates directly from Jack, . each has come and gone
The guy does not have a clue
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This really is unacceptable and does nothing to instill confidence in buyers for a new pinball manufacturer entering the market......
It seems that Jack is still working on orders he received on the first day
Those of us who waited a few days seen to have a long wait in front of us
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At least I know that you know your way around a circuitboard
This really is unacceptable and does nothing to instill confidence in buyers for a new pinball manufacturer entering the market......
It seems that Jack is still working on orders he received on the first day
Those of us who waited a few days seen to have a long wait in front of us
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At what point do all those silly, dumb and un-knowledgable 'so-called' WOZ bashers - become slightly , just ever so slightly, justified and not be called names any longer !@# #@# !@#
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WHAT ON EARTH is stopping Mr “ I am going to build the greatest game on earth , on time and finished” from FINALLY coming out to the community and making a damn open and honest statement about EXACTLY where things are at and EXACTLY what the next few months holds.
SURELY this (apparent ) 'super nice guy' has enough respect for his customers and the hobby that he wants to continue to sell into and has enough self pride to be able to say things as they are right now , and on top of that it would/could STOP a fair bit of speculation about his company – which is NOT GOOD right now.
Would THAT not be a POSITIVE thing for the guy/ company to do !@#
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Would THAT not be a POSITIVE thing for the guy/ company to do !@#
I tend to agree - time to fall on the sword and update expectations because not knowing the truth will be hurting both current customers and future sales.
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I'm a bit lost here.
According to the JJP Facebook page, there are owners posting pictures of their WOZ unboxing in the USA.
None are in Australia.
So they are being produced, but they are obviously not being shipped or distributed in Australia !@#
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unless its been air freighted over, will take awhile, seen those FB US WOZ been unpacked, they will eventually get here,
have been informed if its been sent by ship via east coast, which may be the case JJP in NJ is very close, would take longer to get here compared via long beach LA #@#
$#$
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They are being made
Over the last six weeks about 120 have been produced
But there is no way to know where I am in the que ( I thought I was about 97)
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Let us know your thoughts Peter.
Anyone heard from Brett? Hope he's alright.
Well i played WOZ today at bumper and as everyone else has said great build quality and the LEDs are very nice, the lcd screens not as big as expected which I liked but its the proto so I'd like the play the factory version. Theme not for me but overall nice. Also great to meet Daniel cheers mate.
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Was good to finally meet you and Blair sorry I couldn't chat longer and hope you enjoyed Woz.
And still no confirmed date for Woz piss poor effort if you ask me
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I'm off to NY on Wed, and going to drop in on the JJ factory. Anyone need anything while I'm there? (no, not carrying back and WOZs)
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I'm off to NY on Wed, and going to drop in on the JJ factory. Anyone need anything while I'm there? (no, not carrying back and WOZs)
A t-shirt - L size in black preferably.
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Will do
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Got to go to the factory today. What a buzz. Jack is very generous with his time, and his family is lovely. Played a few games with him on the line which was being tested. As all have said, pure quality. So much to do on the latest software. Sorry to those that wanted stuff, it is all so popular that jack was out of t shirts. Gave me a signed translite and miniplayfield unsolicited, wonderful.
Looking forward to getting the game, happy to wait, the Aus Oz invasion will be starting soon.
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Got to go to the factory today. What a buzz. Jack is very generous with his time, and his family is lovely. Played a few games with him on the line which was being tested. As all have said, pure quality. So much to do on the latest software. Sorry to those that wanted stuff, it is all so popular that jack was out of t shirts. Gave me a signed translite and miniplayfield unsolicited, wonderful.
Looking forward to getting the game, happy to wait, the Aus Oz invasion will be starting soon.
Lucky you seeing all that, thanks for the report!
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Well done ! I've heard Jack is very approachable and generous with his time. News filtering through is positive for Aussie buyers.
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The shipping has been organized just waiting for machines to become available should start filtering through soon
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Whilst I won't comment on the wait the guys who have a bought a WOZ machine are still enduring I must admit to being suitably impressed with the prototype machine at Bumper. Theme aside, the machine looked pretty damn good and I didn't mind the gameplay either.
Good to meet Dan as well and I understand mate you couldn't stand and chat all day.
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Got to go to the factory today. What a buzz. Jack is very generous with his time, and his family is lovely. Played a few games with him on the line which was being tested. As all have said, pure quality. So much to do on the latest software. Sorry to those that wanted stuff, it is all so popular that jack was out of t shirts. Gave me a signed translite and miniplayfield unsolicited, wonderful.
Looking forward to getting the game, happy to wait, the Aus Oz invasion will be starting soon.
What a joy to experience a pinball manufacturer.
Hopefully not to long now, for delivery guys.
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Sounds like a great experience, and VIP treatment to boot!
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Whilst I won't comment on the wait the guys who have a bought a WOZ machine are still enduring I must admit to being suitably impressed with the prototype machine at Bumper. Theme aside, the machine looked pretty damn good and I didn't mind the gameplay either.
Good to meet Dan as well and I understand mate you couldn't stand and chat all day.
Call me a !!@ I checked out all the youtube vids & US forum info, very impressed, knew i wanted one #@# went down to bumper, Dave S spent a lot of time with me @@* he insisted i had a go, No way i said, just by looking at it & the wide body stance was enoff for me to order 1, didn't need to play it, was told it was not full spec/software, i know its going to be a very special pin, wife & kids played it that was enoff for me, I know people have been waiting 18 mths etc, hang in there guys, at the end of the day, it will be here $#$
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A great video here:
http://vimeo.com/68870024
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Nice Vid ^^^
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WOZ= :tumble:
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Must be getting close now. I look forward to all the unboxing photos.
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Got to go to the factory today. What a buzz. Jack is very generous with his time, and his family is lovely. Played a few games with him on the line which was being tested. As all have said, pure quality. So much to do on the latest software. Sorry to those that wanted stuff, it is all so popular that jack was out of t shirts. Gave me a signed translite and miniplayfield unsolicited, wonderful.
Looking forward to getting the game, happy to wait, the Aus Oz invasion will be starting soon.
Nice one John, enjoy your holiday!
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Just been told, no games will be shipped to Australia via air, all will come via a container on a boat and shipping is expected in two weeks
So another two months wait
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I bet he is filling local orders because emails and phone calls hurt a lot less than a punch in the face!!!! Anyone got a passport lol
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At least once you know they are on the water there will be a reasonably definite date.
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Hang in there people, Very confident all be will good (((
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15 months late and counting. !@#
They will land on Aussie shores when this thread hits 20,000 views.
Only 784 views to go!
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At least once you know they are on the water there will be a reasonably definite date.
I can imagine that things can still go wrong
I'd be happier if I knew Dan could drive a forklift
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I can drive a forklift Pete ^^^
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Anyone can drive a forklift *)*
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Grate vid,,, thanks for sharing :lol How doo you explain that to the boss !@#
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Don't know, there would have been a few arse kickings in that lot :lol
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15 months late and counting. !@#
They will land on Aussie shores when this thread hits 20,000 views.
Only 784 views to go!
.. or 100 pages !
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soon
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Here's a new video of WOZ running software version 1.14 which came out today, taken by the owner of Full Tilt Ice Cream in Seattle:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/9ikFDD6gbho?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/9ikFDD6gbho?autoplay=1&rel=0)
The owner, I believe his name is Bobby, also wrote the following to accompany the video:
"I just installed the latest code, 1.14, and shot some video of one of our regulars playing a pretty good game on it, including some pretty amazing staged-flipping of the house loop while trapping a ball on the tip of the lower left flipper. It should give you a feel for some of the additions to the code.
We're trying to figure it out, but it seems that each inlane can light anywhere from 1 to 3 hurry-ups that are worth varying amounts based on how hard the shot is to hit -- so hitting a rainbow target hurry-up, for example, isn't worth as much as hitting the Wizard saucer. I believe they go up every time you complete one. I'm not sure what lights them, but they seemed to be worth some pretty substantial points as time went on.
The munchkin loops are a more interesting and substantial change to the game. Instead of having to simply get the ball onto the house mini-playfield to start a mode, you now have to actually shoot a certain number of loops to begin each mode. The number of loops increases for each subsequent mode and is operator-adjustable. If you don't get the required number of loops, you have a certain amount of time (also adjustable) to get back up to the mini-playfield and complete the loops. The LCD says "Let's Twist Again!" as it's timing down! I set the mode start to 10 loops, increasing by 5 with each started mode, which is the default setting. But I upped the Twist Again time-down from 10 seconds up to 25, to make sure players have plenty of time to get back up there and get modes going. Overall it's a great change to the game that puts way more emphasis on shooting loops! Hopefully a Loop Champion high score list will follow sometime later?"
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Great video. Thanks for sharing.
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Shit I almost forgot about this Pinball machine? So anyone received one yet?
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Shit I almost forgot about this Pinball machine? So anyone received one yet?
They are supposed to be shipping at the end of this week
Then it will be a six week wait
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9 weeks sailing for my lot .
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'First to pay, first to play' biggest load of BS
Jack should take up polittics
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9 weeks sailing for my lot .
how many are you getting?
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I believe Consumer Affairs Victoria have had a number of complaints already regarding WOZ and people trying to get a refund or purchase something else from Bumper Action in lieu! They have been told Jack has their money so it has nothing to do with Bumper?
Let's see what CAV say about that.
Disappointing all round really.
Hopefully works out for everyone in the end ^^^
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Shit I almost forgot about this Pinball machine? So anyone received one yet?
I thought you worked for Bumper, Daniel?
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Shit I almost forgot about this Pinball machine? So anyone received one yet?
I thought you worked for Bumper, Daniel?
Yeah mate I work for bumper. And even I don't know what jacks doing I gave up a long time ago.
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This is proof why there should be NO money paid upfront until the game is produced and ready for sale.
If JJP or any other pinball manufacturer is so confident that the product they have will sell put the money where the mouth is and produce!
Taking $$$ off customers and making them wait and wait for the finished product is a piss poor business model and should not be encouraged.
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Ummmmm - maybe not @.@
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Ummmmm - maybe not @.@
$!& have Faith young one &&
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This is proof why there should be NO money paid upfront until the game is produced and ready for sale.
If JJP or any other pinball manufacturer is so confident that the product they have will sell put the money where the mouth is and produce!
Taking $$$ off customers and making them wait and wait for the finished product is a piss poor business model and should not be encouraged.
Yeh but problem is that punters are STILL handing over $$$'s for machines unseen and even unspecified as to any layout or features... HOBBIT rumoured over 1000 presales at $1000 deposit... that's a cool million in the bank for something that still hasn't gone past concept stage.
Only in pinball are people so frivolous with their hard earned cash
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^ very true any other sort of business people would be asking for shares in the company for giving them the start up capital. Every person preording a WOZ are essentially taking on venture capital type of risk with what some might suggest no additional reward for taking that risk. But there is definitely a downside risk with permanent loss of capital the worse case scenario and even in the best case an opportunity cost of having your money tied up (with no return) for a few years.
No offence to anyone that ordered of course, it's the nature of the beast it appears in pinball? I'm sure anyone who ordered will be very happy when their game finally arrives.
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I originally said 100 pages ago that this would all be a big risk and nicely said no way hosay to taking the risk with this guy as he was a unknown really for building pinball machines.
At the time people said he had runs on the boards because he builds redemption machines....it meant nothing then realistically and still means nothing almost 2 and a half to 3 yrs later. The whole thing has turned embarrassing to say the least and has damaged the pinball Industry IMHO.
JJP said that Stern were building games n delivering them around 2 to 5 weeks late when they were a Stern dealer, that was a big complaint from them about Stern. Well 3 weeks is nothing compared to 3 years latish, and the other gripe was that Sterns prices were too expensive, well the JJP stuff is the dearest on the planet. The two reasons to take on Stern originally became instantly flawed by design or accident. Garys business model is looking pretty sharp to me these days.
It just goes to show, sometimes its best to do things first, n talk later, than talk it up first, then do things a lot a lot a lot later.
I give the guy some browny points for having a go, but the whole business model has been a failure, left a lot of people pissed n embarrassed, and made Gary Stern and his STERN Company look a 100 times better, not to mention the machines they are producing are great, Atern produce a large number of titles, great games n so on...100 pages ago I wasn't so wrong after all initially. Someone said it would be fine, I said fair enough, you guys know this bloke, but the whole thing is one big embarrassing mess...and the next question, is the WOZ game any good, overhyped, slow, or brilliant ???...another 3 months and more answers might be floating around...then there is the question of who in Australia services the machines if u don't live near Bumper. ?????
Anyway, Stern is doing really well, and JJP are having a go......in the end, the negatives of all this I think wil give JJP a bit of a black eye for a very very long time to come. Shame really, cause anything new Pinball is great, but this one went pear shaped early n never really ever recovered, but I could be wrong......known to happen occasionally.lol
p.s - hope everyone is doing well. ^^^
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$.$ Cavey. Welcome back!
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A little off topic about delivery, but is it me or do others feel the same. The scoring units seem lame. I never thought I'd think this because whats the difference scoring one point or 10k or 1 million for something, but looking at the videos and seeing someone play for 10 minutes and see a score of 4k it feels like a half orgasm - unsatisfying and not worth the effort.
Like I said I didn't think it would effect me like that but it des. Its all electronic, do you think they'll change it in a later software update or do you think its not important?
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good call pinball god, with high scores into the millions+++ with the late DMD, i think its ok, all relevant to the game &^&
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Well, I am out of this
After being told that "your machine is being built, shipping in two weeks" four times , I have decided that this game is not go me and have asked for my money back
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So its not just bumper then. Sorry to hear this Pete but there is only so much bullshit you can swallow
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So its not just bumper then. Sorry to hear this Pete but there is only so much bullshit you can swallow
Thanks
The first hand full of games for Bumper are on their way
As I ordered before bumper became a distributor, I found it hard to swallow
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So its not just bumper then. Sorry to hear this Pete but there is only so much bullshit you can swallow
Thanks
The first hand full of games for Bumper are on their way
As I ordered before bumper became a distributor, I found it hard to swallow
How many are coming?
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5
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[quoteAs I ordered before bumper became a distributor, I found it hard to swallow][/quote]
It a bit rude from Jack if that the case.There are many more people who went direct threw jack before bumper jumped on board and i would be pissed too.
Does any no what date bumper became a disturber for jack and who got there name down first with them.
Will be asking for my hobbit x 2 deposit back as will be in a nursing home by the time i get that one.
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A little off topic about delivery, but is it me or do others feel the same. The scoring units seem lame. I never thought I'd think this because whats the difference scoring one point or 10k or 1 million for something, but looking at the videos and seeing someone play for 10 minutes and see a score of 4k it feels like a half orgasm - unsatisfying and not worth the effort.
Like I said I didn't think it would effect me like that but it des. Its all electronic, do you think they'll change it in a later software update or do you think its not important?
Scoring has been working its way up. Right now a "good" but not exceptional game is scoring at about 500,000 points, and the eventual goal as I understand it is for 1 million to be a very good game. So... exaggerating a 10 minute game by saying it scores 4k points is like saying you like getting 1 trillion points on AFM in those same 10 minutes.
Well, I am out of this
After being told that "your machine is being built, shipping in two weeks" four times , I have decided that this game is not go me and have asked for my money back
Out of curiosity, when did you order (ie. day 2, day 20, March...)?
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Hahaha wrong again still none on the water for bumper but aparantly there are 4 ready to go??? Who knows?
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This is bloody ridiculous on Jacks part... Pop Bumper Pete - mate, im surprised you hung out this long.
I get the feeling that Jack is putting out fires by concentrating on getting the odd container out to please a multitude of people rather than sticking to his promise of first come first served... single games only please single customer... the whole thing really is a debacle.
Cavey - " runs on the board" - if my memory serves me correct the issue was if the guy was going to go broke setting this up... consensus was that it wouldn't happen as he has the redemption game business to back him up.. pretty sure that was the point being made.
Ok.. so he didn't go broke.. but yeh - he F**ked it big time
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I really feel sorry for anyone going through this rubbish with their WOZ machine.
Pete - I thought it was first to pay first to play or something like that. If you ordered and paid before Bumper came online then I too would be more than upset. I hope you do get your money back if that is the course you want to follow.
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A little off topic about delivery, but is it me or do others feel the same. The scoring units seem lame. I never thought I'd think this because whats the difference scoring one point or 10k or 1 million for something, but looking at the videos and seeing someone play for 10 minutes and see a score of 4k it feels like a half orgasm - unsatisfying and not worth the effort.
Like I said I didn't think it would effect me like that but it des. Its all electronic, do you think they'll change it in a later software update or do you think its not important?
Scoring has been working its way up. Right now a "good" but not exceptional game is scoring at about 500,000 points, and the eventual goal as I understand it is for 1 million to be a very good game. So... exaggerating a 10 minute game by saying it scores 4k points is like saying you like getting 1 trillion points on AFM in those same 10 minutes.
Well, I am out of this
After being told that "your machine is being built, shipping in two weeks" four times , I have decided that this game is not go me and have asked for my money back
Out of curiosity, when did you order (ie. day 2, day 20, March...)?
Sorry my bad just reviewed the video 100k in 7min 13sec with a little talking. Still I don't know why its bothering me.
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The' first to pay, first to play' became the issue
But I have had major reservations for a few months
Will Bumper cover the warranty on games sold directly by Jack?
This was never answered
But the bigger one was the LED's, they cannot be swapped out by the home hobbyist.
If a LED was to burn out, the circuit board had to be returned to base (probably at the buyers expense)
Then there was the BS
The machines will only ship when the code is 100% finished
Nobody will have to pay for game #2 before they recieve their WOZ
Games will ship Dec 2011
Make that December 2012
March 2013
End of April
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, expect to ship in a week (not doing air, via sea)
We think we might have sent some, but not yours. We might be sending more in 2 weeks, but we are not certain
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Sorry my bad just reviewed the video 100k in 7min 13sec with a little talking. Still I don't know why its bothering me.
Sounds like you're watching the Full Tilt Ice Cream v1.14 video. :-)
If you go back a bit further to a recent video by Joe Mamma, he has a 10 minute game on v1.12 and scores 200k points.
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I've actually wondered if this whole thing has now caused him cash flow problems. I mean he has obviously had overheads to pay for much much longer than he anticipated based on original estimates of completion dates. I'm guessing by now he originally figured he would be well into the Hobbit etc with more instalments payments coming from that. But trying to stretch the original Oz money out for 1-2 years more than originally anticipated could be smashing him.
I looked at his 24 hour sale recently on Invisglass that was then extended for 5 days or whatever it was and cynically thought it was a quick grab for some cash flow. Nothing wrong with that coz as a business you gotta do whatever you can to survive, but again it was a sign to me that he could be feeling the pinch.
Same again with the trickle of games. Now this is pure speculation on my part as I don't know exactly how the payments collected by distributors work, but if they don't transfer part or all of the balance due on the games to JJP until they ship, perhaps he can't afford to crank out 30 or 40 games per week. He needs to trickle them out, collect the balance of money due on those games to pay for finishing the the next handful, then send those out collect some more $$'s and so on. It might explain why distributors could get some games ahead of people who bought earlier direct from JJP. People who bought direct are fully paid up, perhaps some distributors are not?
Anyhow just some uninformed speculation on my part. Seems like there are still technical issues he's trying to fix too.
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If it was me, I would hang in there just for the hell of it. I mean, u (anyone who ordered a long time ago) have waited this long, why not a bit longer.....
cause u might then spend the next 3 yrs wondering what it would have been like to have the dam thing in your loungeroom, then might not be able to get a LE model.............
OR u wait n see just how many end up on the 2nd hand market quickly in Australia if people who bought don't like the game n pick up a bargain in 12 months time (accepting they are here in a month oe two) and that after 12 months of ownership some might get bored...something tells me the WOZ stock of parts at JJP will be massively overstocked because he expected to sell a lot more std models n has not because the LE model didn't get out quick enough to boost the hype n sell the std models....u might see std WOZ models or even hybrid premium WOZ stuff coming out of JJP at very very cheap prices this next 12 to 24 months if they stay in business....I don't liker to use the word liquidation, but something has to change or who knows if Hobbit will ever make the light of day or even be the last machine ever built by JJP.
It all feels n looks like a Pinball 2000 job..... First model Pin2000 to save the company n get things going, 2nd Pin2000 model to keep the company going but in the end the figures just couldnt keep the place alive... I see a very big comparison here...Hope I am wrong...
but honestly, as long as Gary Stern keeps doing what he and his people are doing, we still have a good pinball industry going. Without Stern, we start talking extinction and dinosaurs which will all become part of the kids tours at all local museums which would be a real shame n end to a 100 yr old industry.
Another 3 or 4 months, and the dust will settle n lets see if JJP can pull themselves out of the shit literally n get some credibility back. I hope so. I am always trying to be a optimist if at all possible.
Wouldn't mind hearing how n if Pete gets his money back or if a machine magically turns up by airmail to keep him happy.....interesting few weeks ahead...
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Well said bud, hope all turns out ok also, really feel for the guys that have had PO for 1-2 years, back to ((( for me ^^^
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This is proof why there should be NO money paid upfront until the game is produced and ready for sale.
If JJP or any other pinball manufacturer is so confident that the product they have will sell put the money where the mouth is and produce!
Taking $$$ off customers and making them wait and wait for the finished product is a piss poor business model and should not be encouraged.
Yeh but problem is that punters are STILL handing over $$$'s for machines unseen and even unspecified as to any layout or features... HOBBIT rumoured over 1000 presales at $1000 deposit... that's a cool million in the bank for something that still hasn't gone past concept stage.
Only in pinball are people so frivolous with their hard earned cash
Yes mate this is the big problem!
We should determine the market but we should do it with caution.
Vote with your wallet, or the hype of a new title will always win out...make it work for you/us and don't fall for the bs!
Produce and then we will buy..otherwise....sod off!
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Must be a tough decision Pete, but completely understand your position.
Unfortunately whilst he has customers that keep throwing money at him for his next game (with some paying in full), then nothing will change.
I met Jack in the USA in 2011 and did not get a good vibe back then. He promised to send me a t-shirt back then and I never received it.
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Produce and then we will buy..otherwise....sod off!
This is the problem. Anyone who has $2~3M to design, setup & manufacture a pinball machine is either going to have to charge $12K for it or they may as well leave the money in the bank. It will never happen in our lifetimes. A different financing model is required and Jack has tried one of them.
The following is ALL my opinion only..........
Full marks to Jack for achieving what he has - I think the wheels fell off because he was conned by some "computer geniuses" as I firmly believe this IS NOT the way to go with a pinball machine. Fixing a WOZ/Hobbit (whatever) will be a real pain - for one thing, it takes a WMS machine 12 seconds from power on to "ready to play" - a WOZ takes MORE THAN 3 minutes!
Try changing a coil or soldering a switch - wait 3 mins, do some more work, wait 3 minutes etc etc etc - not for me......I would smash it after the first few power ups.
Had he spent the extra time and effort developing a "proper" boardset things might be a lot different.
I have had emails back & forth with Jack and he is well aware of my opinions (he contacted me).
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I do tend to agree with Mike. I was just thinking about how quick Capcom is to boot compared to WMS - maybe three or four seconds to WMS 12 - and even that is noticeable - imagine a three minute wait!! With my attention span I'd be 2 minutes 50 into a game of AFM by then........
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This is the problem. Anyone who has $2~3M to design, setup & manufacture a pinball machine is either going to have to charge $12K for it or they may as well leave the money in the bank. It will never happen in our lifetimes. A different financing model is required and Jack has tried one of them.
The following is ALL my opinion only..........
Full marks to Jack for achieving what he has - I think the wheels fell off because he was conned by some "computer geniuses" as I firmly believe this IS NOT the way to go with a pinball machine. Fixing a WOZ/Hobbit (whatever) will be a real pain - for one thing, it takes a WMS machine 12 seconds from power on to "ready to play" - a WOZ takes MORE THAN 3 minutes!
Try changing a coil or soldering a switch - wait 3 mins, do some more work, wait 3 minutes etc etc etc - not for me......I would smash it after the first few power ups.
Had he spent the extra time and effort developing a "proper" boardset things might be a lot different.
I have had emails back & forth with Jack and he is well aware of my opinions (he contacted me).
Dude, it takes 25 seconds. That's like 13% of your "more than 3 minutes".
Oh yeah, some proof:
Click of power switch at 0:04. Playfield light sweep patterns at 0:29 seconds.
Instead of taking factually flawed swipes at WOZ (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're too lazy to look this up, vs. deliberately lying to scare customers of your competition)... don't you have your own pinball design to be concentrating on?
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Dude, it takes 25 seconds. That's like 13% of your "more than 3 minutes".
Oh yeah, some proof:
Click of power switch at 0:04. Playfield light sweep patterns at 0:29 seconds.
Instead of taking factually flawed swipes at WOZ (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're too lazy to look this up, vs. deliberately lying to scare customers of your competition)... don't you have your own pinball design to be concentrating on?
I was quoting from an owner of a WOZ who told me "more than 3 minutes" - I am NOT knocking Jack, far from it - re-read my post. I have to assume by your arrogant reply that possibly you are one of Jacks "computer genuises"??
I am also not judging - I don't have to, as time will reveal all.
Exactly WHAT is the holdup in the factory if it isn't the PC as you continue to wail as loud as you can? Come clean and tell your customers exactly WHAT is the holdup in the production?
You won't - because it *is* the PC........that's my take until you come clean with a more plausible reason.
You have to understand that in the complete absense of ANY reason for the delays, people will start to look for answers themselves. Please prove my theory wrong.
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The' first to pay, first to play' became the issue
But I have had major reservations for a few months
Will Bumper cover the warranty on games sold directly by Jack?
This was never answered
But the bigger one was the LED's, they cannot be swapped out by the home hobbyist.
If a LED was to burn out, the circuit board had to be returned to base (probably at the buyers expense)
Then there was the BS
The machines will only ship when the code is 100% finished
Nobody will have to pay for game #2 before they recieve their WOZ
Games will ship Dec 2011
Make that December 2012
March 2013
End of April
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, expect to ship in a week (not doing air, via sea)
We think we might have sent some, but not yours. We might be sending more in 2 weeks, but we are not certain
Who told you a home user can't swap an LED? Jesus so much misinformation. Contact me directly for facts
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Who told you a home user can't swap an LED? Jesus so much misinformation. Contact me directly for facts
Why not post it all here so everyone can see it?
If Jack was a bit more honest and came forward with the truth about delays there would be a lot less "misinformation" and conjecture.
So we have two JJP "fan bois" on this thread in as many minutes - quick to defend but slow with facts!
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Produce and then we will buy..otherwise....sod off!
This is the problem. Anyone who has $2~3M to design, setup & manufacture a pinball machine is either going to have to charge $12K for it or they may as well leave the money in the bank. It will never happen in our lifetimes. A different financing model is required and Jack has tried one of them.
The following is ALL my opinion only..........
Full marks to Jack for achieving what he has - I think the wheels fell off because he was conned by some "computer geniuses" as I firmly believe this IS NOT the way to go with a pinball machine. Fixing a WOZ/Hobbit (whatever) will be a real pain - for one thing, it takes a WMS machine 12 seconds from power on to "ready to play" - a WOZ takes MORE THAN 3 minutes!
Try changing a coil or soldering a switch - wait 3 mins, do some more work, wait 3 minutes etc etc etc - not for me......I would smash it after the first few power ups.
Had he spent the extra time and effort developing a "proper" boardset things might be a lot different.
I have had emails back & forth with Jack and he is well aware of my opinions (he contacted me).
Hey dickbag. I have those emails too and you are full of shit. You were f**kin lambasted on pinside for being full of shit and you are here too. Woz takes 7 seconds to boot. I know because I wrote the OS.
For anyone who believes this lying dinosaur here is the video of it booting:
I'm sorry you don't have the capability to build something with technology not available In a 1960's television but some of us have skills to build based on modern platforms.
You got technologically schooled on other forums by me and many others, did you think we would let you just spew your shit here too?
I'd be careful, your "opinions" are libelous.
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I will be very surprised if the mods allow your post to stay - what a fool you are!!
I don't need to say anything about Jack or WOZ - you do a fine job all by yourself.
Please commence legal action against me for my comments - I challenge you to "put up or shut up"!
Produce and then we will buy..otherwise....sod off!
This is the problem. Anyone who has $2~3M to design, setup & manufacture a pinball machine is either going to have to charge $12K for it or they may as well leave the money in the bank. It will never happen in our lifetimes. A different financing model is required and Jack has tried one of them.
The following is ALL my opinion only..........
Full marks to Jack for achieving what he has - I think the wheels fell off because he was conned by some "computer geniuses" as I firmly believe this IS NOT the way to go with a pinball machine. Fixing a WOZ/Hobbit (whatever) will be a real pain - for one thing, it takes a WMS machine 12 seconds from power on to "ready to play" - a WOZ takes MORE THAN 3 minutes!
Try changing a coil or soldering a switch - wait 3 mins, do some more work, wait 3 minutes etc etc etc - not for me......I would smash it after the first few power ups.
Had he spent the extra time and effort developing a "proper" boardset things might be a lot different.
I have had emails back & forth with Jack and he is well aware of my opinions (he contacted me).
Hey dickbag. I have those emails too and you are full of shit. You were f**kin lambasted on pinside for being full of shit and you are here too. Woz takes 7 seconds to boot. I know because I wrote the OS.
For anyone who believes this lying dinosaur here is the video of it booting:
I'm sorry you don't have the capability to build something with technology not available In a 1960's television but some of us have skills to build based on modern platforms.
You got technologically schooled on other forums by me and many others, did you think we would let you just spew your shit here too?
I'd be careful, your "opinions" are libelous.
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Gladly! When I get home ill swap an LED in < 30 seconds. How's that?? Will that get you to stfu and go back to designing your EM?
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Oh no................. @.@
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I havent read the 100 odd pagesmhere.
Why the bad blood? Understand if theres misinfo that hurts a games rep, then rectify it but no need to get too hot. I understand jjp may be under a bit of pressure at the moment or not, let us know if you think this is relevant.
But i did make a comment about scoring that was exagerated (due to my poor observations), but i was trying to illustrate a criticism i didnt understand why i had of the game. All i wanted was a couple of opinions to see if the size of scoring does matter. I remember reading flyers promoting the first game with 1M scoring and thinking what a wank. Now maybe it does mean something to wankers like me???
What did concern me was a guy did take offence to my comments that i could see heading a silmilar way if i wanted to be a prick. I took it on board and maybe adding something like the market research we did didnt indicate low scoring units would deterr a player would have been nice.
A professional approach i think will shut people up quickly. Thanks for listening and hope deliveries hit our shores soon so i can hear some good stuff about the gameplay.
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I havent read the 100 odd pagesmhere.
Why the bad blood? Understand if theres misinfo that hurts a games rep, then rectify it but no need to get too hot. I understand jjp may be under a bit of pressure at the moment or not, let us know if you think this is relevant.
But i did make a comment about scoring that was exagerated (due to my poor observations), but i was trying to illustrate a criticism i didnt understand why i had of the game. All i wanted was a couple of opinions to see if the size of scoring does matter. I remember reading flyers promoting the first game with 1M scoring and thinking what a wank. Now maybe it does mean something to wankers like me???
What did concern me was a guy did take offence to my comments that i could see heading a silmilar way if i wanted to be a prick. I took it on board and maybe adding something like the market research we did didnt indicate low scoring units would deterr a player would have been nice.
A professional approach i think will shut people up quickly. Thanks for listening and hope deliveries hit our shores soon so i can hear some good stuff about the gameplay.
+1 Well said.
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I havent read the 100 odd pagesmhere.
Why the bad blood? Understand if theres misinfo that hurts a games rep, then rectify it but no need to get too hot. I understand jjp may be under a bit of pressure at the moment or not, let us know if you think this is relevant.
But i did make a comment about scoring that was exagerated (due to my poor observations), but i was trying to illustrate a criticism i didnt understand why i had of the game. All i wanted was a couple of opinions to see if the size of scoring does matter. I remember reading flyers promoting the first game with 1M scoring and thinking what a wank. Now maybe it does mean something to wankers like me???
What did concern me was a guy did take offence to my comments that i could see heading a silmilar way if i wanted to be a prick. I took it on board and maybe adding something like the market research we did didnt indicate low scoring units would deterr a player would have been nice.
A professional approach i think will shut people up quickly. Thanks for listening and hope deliveries hit our shores soon so i can hear some good stuff about the gameplay.
+1 Well said.
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Pinchroma, we have a position on AP – “Play the ball, not the man.” Your comments are very much playing the man, and the tone entirely unnecessary (and quite unprofessional from someone claiming to be involved in the project). If you have a view/comment/position, state it, but do not attack authors of other opinions.
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I will be very surprised if the mods allow your post to stay - what a fool you are!!
Happy to remove the rude comments Homepin if you like, or they can be left for members to see the standard of the comments from someone claiming to be part of this project.
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Please leave them - people can judge for themselves, this sort of thing is tolerated on Pinside, that's why it is fast becoming another RGP
Methinks they doth protest too much.....
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The' first to pay, first to play' became the issue
But I have had major reservations for a few months
Will Bumper cover the warranty on games sold directly by Jack?
This was never answered
But the bigger one was the LED's, they cannot be swapped out by the home hobbyist.
If a LED was to burn out, the circuit board had to be returned to base (probably at the buyers expense)
Then there was the BS
The machines will only ship when the code is 100% finished
Nobody will have to pay for game #2 before they recieve their WOZ
Games will ship Dec 2011
Make that December 2012
March 2013
End of April
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, expect to ship in a week (not doing air, via sea)
We think we might have sent some, but not yours. We might be sending more in 2 weeks, but we are not certain
Who told you a home user can't swap an LED? Jesus so much misinformation. Contact me directly for facts
Why should he ? Who are you and what is your involvement with this project ?
Pete - All I can say is that if you have cancelled your order after demonstrating a positive attitude and buckets of patience, then it is a sad day for JJP in Australia.
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Gladly! When I get home ill swap an LED in < 30 seconds. How's that?? Will that get you to stfu and go back to designing your EM?
If you are an employee of JJP, how about posting your real name and your position within the company ?
Do the rest of the staff at JJP exhibit the same level of communication and public relations ?
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I was quoting from an owner of a WOZ who told me "more than 3 minutes" - I am NOT knocking Jack, far from it - re-read my post. I have to assume by your arrogant reply that possibly you are one of Jacks "computer genuises"??
I am also not judging - I don't have to, as time will reveal all.
Exactly WHAT is the holdup in the factory if it isn't the PC as you continue to wail as loud as you can? Come clean and tell your customers exactly WHAT is the holdup in the production?
You won't - because it *is* the PC........that's my take until you come clean with a more plausible reason.
You have to understand that in the complete absense of ANY reason for the delays, people will start to look for answers themselves. Please prove my theory wrong.
I don't quite get your reply. You say it takes more than 3 minutes to boot, and then go on with examples of how horrible that will be for everyone. I show you a video proving it boots in 25 seconds including BIOS stuff - that's fact - and you come asking me to prove the holdup isn't because of the pc?? How are those two items related?
Also, you know exactly who I am - and am not.
Yes, production is slow. Horribly slow. As a mere customer, I don't know why. But I doubt screwing a motherboard down is the cause.
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Personal attacks on me by yourself and a JJP employee here and on other sites are neither warranted nor professional.
It would be much better if Pinchroma or better still, Jack himself came clean and actually told people what the problems are with production - that would stop all of the guesses and then we would know the facts.
Until then, I stick by my theory that it is the PC side of things slowing production down.
You say 25secs for the machine to boot - Pinchroma says less - an owner told me 3 mins??? Who do we believe based on events so far? I go with the owner myself.
I don't really care and I didn't bother looking at the video - it would be better to have a bit of honesty and transparency with this project, after all it is the customers who have financed it.
I was quoting from an owner of a WOZ who told me "more than 3 minutes" - I am NOT knocking Jack, far from it - re-read my post. I have to assume by your arrogant reply that possibly you are one of Jacks "computer genuises"??
I am also not judging - I don't have to, as time will reveal all.
Exactly WHAT is the holdup in the factory if it isn't the PC as you continue to wail as loud as you can? Come clean and tell your customers exactly WHAT is the holdup in the production?
You won't - because it *is* the PC........that's my take until you come clean with a more plausible reason.
You have to understand that in the complete absense of ANY reason for the delays, people will start to look for answers themselves. Please prove my theory wrong.
I don't quite get your reply. You say it takes more than 3 minutes to boot, and then go on with examples of how horrible that will be for everyone. I show you a video proving it boots in 25 seconds including BIOS stuff - that's fact - and you come asking me to prove the holdup isn't because of the pc?? How are those two items related?
Also, you know exactly who I am - and am not.
Yes, production is slow. Horribly slow. As a mere customer, I don't know why. But I doubt screwing a motherboard down is the cause.
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I think there is a bit of history with a few people on Pinside and without trying to play a particular side we need to remove the emotion and stick to facts.
- JJP yes hasn't been producing and delivering as promised and I feel for the long time investors like Pete !!!
- The boot times are quicker than estimated or believed - that is excellent for the owners #*#
- please keep this thread on WOZ and other threads fun, polite, factual and informative ^^^ and not stoop down to poor forum behaviour
- some of our US member like Sunfox has been a member here for a while and shares great info, Pinchroma is well known in the US for great pinball products and great for the hobby and probably found us through positive posts placed elsewhere
- some of aussie members like Homepin are excellent for the pinball community with the products they provide
- our forum mods strangeways and pinnies4me are excellent mods and create and maintain a excellent site for all of us to visit and share info
- some members are a rightly upset with delivery promises and are airing which is fine but ask that we all try and be nice to each other
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/me hugs Swinks
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I think there is a bit of history with a few people on Pinside and without trying to play a particular side we need to remove the emotion and stick to facts.
- JJP yes hasn't been producing and delivering as promised and I feel for the long time investors like Pete !!!
- The boot times are quicker than estimated or believed - that is excellent for the owners #*#
- please keep this thread on WOZ and other threads fun, polite, factual and informative ^^^ and not stoop down to poor forum behaviour
- some of our US member like Sunfox has been a member here for a while and shares great info, Pinchroma is well known in the US for great pinball products and great for the hobby and probably found us through positive posts placed elsewhere
- some of aussie members like Homepin are excellent for the pinball community with the products they provide
- our forum mods strangeways and pinnies4me are excellent mods and create and maintain a excellent site for all of us to visit and share info
- some members are a rightly upset with delivery promises and are airing which is fine but ask that we all try and be nice to each other
Every purchaser has a right to be upset due to delays but what they don't need is a liar (who is now a competitor) spreading false rumors and causing problems. It's libelous. And quite frankly everyone knows me but who is your "woz owner" who is saying it takes 3 minutes to boot? I'm here answering questions. Why not stop the lies mike and tell everyone who the owner is? I'll gladly look them up in the customer database, call them personally, and with their permission record to call to play here. There is no game that takes more than 20 seconds to boot from bios post to game. It's not actually possible for it to take that long but since you don't understand modern electronics I can understand why this may be a foreign concept.
Please provide the name of the owner. You won't because you are a liar.
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And quite frankly everyone knows me .
Sorry, I don't?
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Hi Pinchroma
I ask this politely and not to cause grief ........is there some reason why, with all the bad speculation going on all over the main forums across the planet, why Jack doesnt make an official statement to the pinball community as to the actual reasons behind the delays.....wouldnt it be much better for him to come out and state "X" at the moment so all the speculation and guesses could be put to rest? Isnt that better for the company rather than let all this carry on ( yes, which I have been part of questioning many times ) forever and ever?
Now in Australia - JJP have buyers not only worried about when the heck they will get thier games but also the Bumper situation , and all the buyers get is basically silence or here-say - which is never good.
Any thoughts on that in general , as a JJP employee?
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Again - attacks on me and my knowledge - it's obvious you have no idea who I am or what level of electronic knowledge I have.
I emailed Jack and asked him to summons me if he feels my comments are damaging - I'm happy for the magistrate to decide but I will not have you being the judge and jury.
You are a programmer with a vested interest in the WOZ project - I get that - what I don't get is why you feel the need to stick the knife in me personally?
So let's stop the rot right now and come clean with the REAL reason behind the delys because I have to say that your carry on here on this forum is doing far more damage to JJP than I ever could (not that I wish to and not that I would want to).
Pinside "pitchfork" antics don't work here I'm afraid.
Oh - and for the record - I never intended to sell my machine to the USA for many reasons (many on this forum knew that before I announced the theme) , so I'm no threat or challenge to JJP or anyone else. There are many reasons why I won't sell there but I doubt you would bother to listen to them.
Every purchaser has a right to be upset due to delays but what they don't need is a liar (who is now a competitor) spreading false rumors and causing problems. It's libelous. And quite frankly everyone knows me but who is your "woz owner" who is saying it takes 3 minutes to boot? I'm here answering questions. Why not stop the lies mike and tell everyone who the owner is? I'll gladly look them up in the customer database, call them personally, and with their permission record to call to play here. There is no game that takes more than 20 seconds to boot from bios post to game. It's not actually possible for it to take that long but since you don't understand modern electronics I can understand why this may be a foreign concept.
Please provide the name of the owner. You won't because you are a liar.
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I honestly don't know what the bumper situation is. I don't deal with anything but engineering. As stated on the JJP forums that the delays have been different things at different times. There are no current delays. We are just about ramped up to 40 games a week. At one point we were waiting on production light and I/O boards for a LONG time. After we put some proto's out on the street we were able to stress test some components and realized a few things needed tweaking or a minor redesign so we sent those out to be fixed and produced.
Everything in this game is new. Every part, every process, every line of code. Video game companies take 2-3 years between game releases and that's using an existing engine and its just software development. We built a brand new high definition platform including all physical components, new cabinet printing methods, new os, new game platform, built a factory, and trained a workforce in 30 months from idea to delivery. Anyone familiar with any of this individual tasks will know what a Herculean task this was. Games are shipping. We are shipping in batches.
I don't know what the "bumper" situation is but the warranty on games regardless of distrib will be handled by JJP so no worries there as I saw someone was concerned about that?
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Again - attacks on me and my knowledge - it's obvious you have no idea who I am or what level of electronic knowledge I have.
I emailed Jack and asked him to summons me if he feels my comments are damaging - I'm happy for the magistrate to decide but I will not have you being the judge and jury.
You are a programmer with a vested interest in the WOZ project - I get that - what I don't get is why you feel the need to stick the knife in me personally?
So let's stop the rot right now and come clean with the REAL reason behind the delys because I have to say that your carry on here on this forum is doing far more damage to JJP than I ever could (not that I wish to and not that I would want to).
Pinside "pitchfork" antics don't work here I'm afraid.
Oh - and for the record - I never intended to sell my machine to the USA for many reasons (many on this forum knew that before I announced the theme) , so I'm no threat or challenge to JJP or anyone else. There are many reasons why I won't sell there but I doubt you would bother to listen to them.
Every purchaser has a right to be upset due to delays but what they don't need is a liar (who is now a competitor) spreading false rumors and causing problems. It's libelous. And quite frankly everyone knows me but who is your "woz owner" who is saying it takes 3 minutes to boot? I'm here answering questions. Why not stop the lies mike and tell everyone who the owner is? I'll gladly look them up in the customer database, call them personally, and with their permission record to call to play here. There is no game that takes more than 20 seconds to boot from bios post to game. It's not actually possible for it to take that long but since you don't understand modern electronics I can understand why this may be a foreign concept.
Please provide the name of the owner. You won't because you are a liar.
If you don't understand why myself and a bunch of other people are upset with you and your constant lies and woz bashing then you seriously need help. Your company is no threat to anyone in the pinball world, it's your constant lies and berating which are the problem. Again who is your "owner". Why don't YOU come clean. You can't because you lied about that too. Just answer that question.
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You still don't get it do you? Personal attacks on me won't help your cause or your credibility.
I will not "out" one of your customers so you can track her down and hound her for "speaking out".
If I *were* a JJP customer and saw your ravings I would be very concerned......
If you don't understand why myself and a bunch of other people are upset with you and your constant lies and woz bashing then you seriously need help. Your company is no threat to anyone in the pinball world, it's your constant lies and berating which are the problem. Again who is your "owner". Why don't YOU come clean. You can't because you lied about that too. Just answer that question.
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So lets all think about this logically for a second. You know of a Customer who's game Is supposedly having a problem who doesn't want assistance in fixing it?
Let me ask other forum people. If mike's customer existed, and was having trouble, wouldn't it stand to reason that "she" would want assistance? How's many of you purchased a nib game and had an issue never to call the vendor to help rectify it?
If this person existed they would have spoken to me.
Sorry but your story doesn't hold water.
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I hope there were a lot of female purchasers @.@ anyway thanks for explaining some if not all the problems faced. It is a tough task. Maybe regular bulletins of problems faced might have been useful. I don't know if explaining things like this in the pinball industry is bad for business????
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I hope there were a lot of female purchasers @.@ anyway thanks for explaining some if not all the problems faced. It is a tough task. Maybe regular bulletins of problems faced might have been useful. I don't know if explaining things like this in the pinball industry is bad for business????
Delays happen. Normally you build or manufacture something that has a few dozen maybe even a few hundred parts. Not a game with thousands. That just compounds the issue :). Multiple suppliers. Each part needed for the next mech to be built. One slows down, holds everything else up. Now that everything is in place, proper suppliers for each part, smooth sailing on that front from here on out.
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Pinchroma can you let us all know what your position is within JJP and who you are ? You seem to have dodged that question several times.
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Operating system developer. As stated above? I said in an earlier thread I wrote the OS. And the update mechanisms as well.
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Personal attacks on me by yourself and a JJP employee here and on other sites are neither warranted nor professional.
It would be much better if Pinchroma or better still, Jack himself came clean and actually told people what the problems are with production - that would stop all of the guesses and then we would know the facts.
Until then, I stick by my theory that it is the PC side of things slowing production down.
You say 25secs for the machine to boot - Pinchroma says less - an owner told me 3 mins??? Who do we believe based on events so far? I go with the owner myself.
I don't really care and I didn't bother looking at the video - it would be better to have a bit of honesty and transparency with this project, after all it is the customers who have financed it.
Here's the problem: as a competitor, going around on Pinside, Aussie Arcade and now here as the supposed expert on everything wrong with the WOZ hardware platform while evidently not knowing the first thing about the system, is not professional. Then, whenever it's either pointed out that what you're saying isn't supported by verifiable facts, or whenever someone requests you back up your claims with facts of your own, you get defensive, blame everyone but yourself ("someone else told me"), refuse to provide any supporting evidence, then usually disappear only to pop up in some other place with the same claims.
I believe this quote warrants repeating and perfectly expresses our frustration with Mike's method of operation:
You say 25secs for the machine to boot - Pinchroma says less - an owner told me 3 mins??? Who do we believe based on events so far? I go with the owner myself. ... I don't really care and I didn't bother looking at the video
"Don't confuse me with the facts, because my mind's already made up."
So - you say the PC is holding up production. In the interests of turning this into a useful conversion, in your experience can you tell me what aspect of the WOZ PC system you believe is holding up production, and why you believe this is happening?
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Wow this thread turned to shit fast.
I get it takes time to build a new game I get it takes time to troubleshoot game.
I just think the bullshit deadlines and request for full payments are the main issue. I know if I was a WOz customer I'd much rather hear that there are issues being sorted out sorry for the delays instead of promised deadlines not met one after another.
Good luck with the manufacturing looking forward to seeing a finished product ^^^
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I hope there were a lot of female purchasers @.@ anyway thanks for explaining some if not all the problems faced. It is a tough task. Maybe regular bulletins of problems faced might have been useful. I don't know if explaining things like this in the pinball industry is bad for business????
Delays happen. Normally you build or manufacture something that has a few dozen maybe even a few hundred parts. Not a game with thousands. That just compounds the issue :). Multiple suppliers. Each part needed for the next mech to be built. One slows down, holds everything else up. Now that everything is in place, proper suppliers for each part, smooth sailing on that front from here on out.
So why were we lied to about delivery dates and why are some buyers getting there games before people who ordered first?
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I hope there were a lot of female purchasers @.@ anyway thanks for explaining some if not all the problems faced. It is a tough task. Maybe regular bulletins of problems faced might have been useful. I don't know if explaining things like this in the pinball industry is bad for business????
Delays happen. Normally you build or manufacture something that has a few dozen maybe even a few hundred parts. Not a game with thousands. That just compounds the issue :). Multiple suppliers. Each part needed for the next mech to be built. One slows down, holds everything else up. Now that everything is in place, proper suppliers for each part, smooth sailing on that front from here on out.
So why were we lied to about delivery dates and why are some buyers getting there games before people who ordered first?
Games are built in order. No one got their games before someone else who ordered first unless they bought from a distributor who ordered day 1. The distrib can ship the games in whatever order they want. JJP has no control over that. Any games purchased direct are getting shipped direct in the order they came in with very few exceptions. those exceptions are limited to games like mine which I need to develop on prod hardware and a few traveling road show games that end up at pin shows. That's it.
Delivery dates were passed down with best estimations. It was bad practice to do so and won't be happening again. The game shipping dates now are estimations based on spot in line. I've seen your posts on the JJP forum Pete. Why not ping me or jack directly? You all know me and know I don't mince words or BS. That's why I take exception to those that do.
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I hope there were a lot of female purchasers @.@ anyway thanks for explaining some if not all the problems faced. It is a tough task. Maybe regular bulletins of problems faced might have been useful. I don't know if explaining things like this in the pinball industry is bad for business????
Delays happen. Normally you build or manufacture something that has a few dozen maybe even a few hundred parts. Not a game with thousands. That just compounds the issue :). Multiple suppliers. Each part needed for the next mech to be built. One slows down, holds everything else up. Now that everything is in place, proper suppliers for each part, smooth sailing on that front from here on out.
So why were we lied to about delivery dates and why are some buyers getting there games before people who ordered first?
I'll be the first to admit - I'm not happy about the delays. I don't believe Jack is PURPOSEFULLY lying about delivery dates (what purpose would that serve after getting so many wrong), but he certainly hasn't figured out the knack of estimating (and multiplying whatever date he thinks up by ten). And I have personal experience there. I'm at the point where it's taking so long I can't do anything but laugh at the ludicrousness of it all. But I want my game more than I care about the delays, and cancelling would only extend the torment of waiting even longer.
Also, I'm not sure you answered this - when did you order? I know distributors weren't announced for quite some time, but I'm sure the principals at Bumper ordered quite early in the process. Also, we don't know what kind of distributor agreements Jack is working under. He might be contractually obligated to provide a certain number of machines a certain amount of time after production startup, and I don't think production's ramped up anywhere near as quickly as Jack wanted.
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Hahaha just ship us some games lol.
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Wow this thread turned to shit fast.
I get it takes time to build a new game I get it takes time to troubleshoot game.
I just think the bullshit deadlines and request for full payments are the main issue. I know if I was a WOz customer I'd much rather hear that there are issues being sorted out sorry for the delays instead of promised deadlines not met one after another.
Good luck with the manufacturing looking forward to seeing a finished product ^^^
I think its getting back on track again. Some good news from this is maybe the hobbit will be a go and with little delivery issues as they now have the suppliers down pat, hardware/software sorted and experience in production and PR under their belt. Unfortunately like all that buy early in a product like tech stuff will nearly always get a product no where near as good as say gen 4 or 5. Even cars are the same. Series 3 is always heaps better and has all the bells and whistles. The hobbit is the one to watch if jjp is to stay I think
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I think its getting back on track again. Some good news from this is maybe the hobbit will be a go and with little delivery issues as they now have the suppliers down pat,
That could well be true... problem is that very few now believe anything Jack says
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That could well be true... problem is that very few now believe anything Jack says
Yep
Make that December 2012
March 2013
End of April
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, shipping in 2 weeks (air)
Building them now, expect to ship in a week (not doing air, via sea)
We think we might have sent some, but not yours. We might be sending more in 2 weeks, but we are not certain
All these dates were from e-mail communications directly with Jack
I ordered in the first week
No distributors were announced until about May 11 (?)
Were any standards ordered in that first week
Jack stated many times, 'first to pay, first to play', I finished making payments in 2011
If any standard versions were ordered before I placed my order, and/or Jack signed up any distributors in the first week, then I will unreservedly apologize to him
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Personal attacks on me by yourself and a JJP employee here and on other sites are neither warranted nor professional.
It would be much better if Pinchroma or better still, Jack himself came clean and actually told people what the problems are with production - that would stop all of the guesses and then we would know the facts.
Until then, I stick by my theory that it is the PC side of things slowing production down.
You say 25secs for the machine to boot - Pinchroma says less - an owner told me 3 mins??? Who do we believe based on events so far? I go with the owner myself.
I don't really care and I didn't bother looking at the video - it would be better to have a bit of honesty and transparency with this project, after all it is the customers who have financed it.
Here's the problem: as a competitor, going around on Pinside, Aussie Arcade and now here as the supposed expert on everything wrong with the WOZ hardware platform while evidently not knowing the first thing about the system, is not professional. Then, whenever it's either pointed out that what you're saying isn't supported by verifiable facts, or whenever someone requests you back up your claims with facts of your own, you get defensive, blame everyone but yourself ("someone else told me"), refuse to provide any supporting evidence, then usually disappear only to pop up in some other place with the same claims.
I believe this quote warrants repeating and perfectly expresses our frustration with Mike's method of operation:
You say 25secs for the machine to boot - Pinchroma says less - an owner told me 3 mins??? Who do we believe based on events so far? I go with the owner myself. ... I don't really care and I didn't bother looking at the video
"Don't confuse me with the facts, because my mind's already made up."
So - you say the PC is holding up production. In the interests of turning this into a useful conversion, in your experience can you tell me what aspect of the WOZ PC system you believe is holding up production, and why you believe this is happening?
Mike was not a competitor when he voiced his OPINION on the platform. Go back 90 odd pages and you will find that opinion way before the inception of Thunderbirds.
What's not professional is the sudden emergence of JJP Employees on this forum attacking a member rather than the comments made. As a FORMER supporter of this venture, I can't believe the rubbish I'm reading. It does not belong here and the only positive reason to leave it here is so that prospective customers can judge the company for themselves.
Simply unbelievable.. ^&^
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If I ordered a game 2 1/2 years ago and had payed for it in full over 1 1/2 years ago and still didn't have it in my games room after being promised half a dozen different shipping dates, I'd be rightly pissed off too.
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If I ordered a game 2 1/2 years ago and had payed for it in full over 1 1/2 years ago and still didn't have it in my games room after being promised half a dozen different shipping dates, I'd be rightly pissed off too.
Extremely tough situation your gone through Champ,
on a positive note they are slowing being released, when the dust settles we'll all move on, some of us will find something else to piss & moan about ::) ::) (((
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Operating system developer. As stated above? I said in an earlier thread I wrote the OS. And the update mechanisms as well.
Sorry, still no clearer who you are. If you represent your company on the forum what is the issue with stating who you are?
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Operating system developer. As stated above? I said in an earlier thread I wrote the OS. And the update mechanisms as well.
Sorry, still no clearer who you are. If you represent your company on the forum what is the issue with stating who you are?
Lol It's Ok tony we all know who he is :tumble:
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Mike was not a competitor when he voiced his OPINION on the platform. Go back 90 odd pages and you will find that opinion way before the inception of Thunderbirds.
What's not professional is the sudden emergence of JJP Employees on this forum attacking a member rather than the comments made. As a FORMER supporter of this venture, I can't believe the rubbish I'm reading. It does not belong here and the only positive reason to leave it here is so that prospective customers can judge the company for themselves.
Simply unbelievable.. ^&^
As stated, I am not a JJP employee. But you quoted me, so I assume your problem is with me.
I'm just a pinball player, but I'm also a lover of facts. I find it difficult to come to grips with the opinion of someone who is so sure of himself that he absolutely refuses to acknowledge something as basic as WOZ booting up in 25 seconds when offered clear and indisputable evidence of this, and for some inexplicable reason actually prefers to remain in a cloud of ignorance based on something he heard.
That is not open-minded. That is not logical. How can you discuss anything?
Although I'm sure Mike has been planning Thunderbirds for at least a few months (when most of these opinions first started coming up), becoming a competitor has not prevented him from continuing to repeatedly share those opinions here and elsewhere, whether they have any basis in reality or not. I have no problem with opinions, but if they are not supported in any way and can be disproven by anyone who knows how to use Google, then I will not allow others who might be more trusting to be misled.
I'm far from perfect. Point out something I've said that is not supported by facts, and I will discuss it with you, and if you are correct then I will adjust my thinking.
If Mike wishes to support any of his claims with anything more than words and hearsay, then I welcome him to the discussion and will listen to his reasoning without bias.
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Operating system developer. As stated above? I said in an earlier thread I wrote the OS. And the update mechanisms as well.
Sorry, still no clearer who you are. If you represent your company on the forum what is the issue with stating who you are?
Lol It's Ok tony we all know who he is :tumble:
I don't know who he is either.
All I can say is once again, I feel sorry for the guys that paid up front for their machines in good faith and to date have nothing to show for it. I would like to think that they may be offered a pretty handy discount if they choose to buy another machine off Jack or some sort of gift or gesture as a way to repay the goodwill they originally showed JJP.
End of the day we are a pretty close knit bunch, if someone burns someone else, we all find out about it eventually and take our business elsewhere. Any retailer/producer is dealing with a fairly limited market when it comes to pinball and they need to respect the customers they have if they want to keep them.
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JJP's problems aren't Mike bagging a PC based system... we are all aware of Mikes opinions on these and have been BEFORE WOZ was even announced.
I saw the video and it boots in around 30 secs.. seems Ok to me.
Mikes opinions haven't changed one jot in all the time ive known him.. he doesn't like PC based systems for various reasons.
But... if JJP had put machines into people homes as promised again and again then we would all be well aware of how the WOZ system operates.. problem is that Jack hasn't done this despite repeated promises to the very contrary. In fact Jack hasn't told the very people who funded all this in the first place why their machines are delayed... people are very pissed.. the hype of WOZ has been long lost.. the system is still under speculation as it STILL has not been properly released.
JJP marketing strategy is more competition to Jack than any speculative opinions as to how well it will stand up over time.
No good coming on here complaining about bad publicity.... the hole is well and truly dug already
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JJP's problems aren't Mike bagging a PC based system... we are all aware of Mikes opinions on these and have been BEFORE WOZ was even announced.
I saw the video and it boots in around 30 secs.. seems Ok to me.
Mikes opinions haven't changed one jot in all the time ive known him.. he doesn't like PC based systems for various reasons.
But... if JJP had put machines into people homes as promised again and again then we would all be well aware of how the WOZ system operates.. problem is that Jack hasn't done this despite repeated promises to the very contrary. In fact Jack hasn't told the very people who funded all this in the first place why their machines are delayed... people are very pissed.. the hype of WOZ has been long lost.. the system is still under speculation as it STILL has not been properly released.
JJP marketing strategy is more competition to Jack than any speculative opinions as to how well it will stand up over time.
No good coming on here complaining about bad publicity.... the hole is well and truly dug already
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Well said Gav.
My issue is that Pinchroma has entered Aussie Pinball in exactly the same way that JJP entered pinball imo, with arrogance and negativity.
How about offering something constructive to the forum and not coming on here for the sole purpose of baiting a valued member of the forum?
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Well said Gav.
My issue is that Pinchroma has entered Aussie Pinball in exactly the same way that JJP entered pinball imo, with arrogance and negativity.
How about offering something constructive to the forum and not coming on here for the sole purpose of baiting a valued member of the forum?
I'm not here to chat on this forum. Merely to stop homepin from continuing to spread LIES. They aren't opinion. He states them as if he is in the know. Check other forums where he got publicly blasted for his complete non-unserstanding of anything he claimed to know about and especially things that are technology related. People from intel/Microsoft/amd amongst a bunch of other tech savvy people completely disemboweled everything he said so he disappeared (ran home with his tail between his legs) so now he's here spewing the same crap to you guys.
Sorry but I'm not about to have someone who has zero understanding of a platform or technology preach like his word is gospel and cover it under the veil of "someone told me".
He has refused to actually back up his assertions and you guys back him up for that. Don't you realize how odd that is? I have fact and video evidence to back up my statements he has conjecture and no proof yet you guys are giving me the 3rd degree? Sorry as I'm not attacking a country but one of your countrymen is full of crap and hasn't even come back to answer my questions.
Mike, Explain your reasonings as for why pc's don't work and how woz is taking 3 minutes to boot and how that's the reason behind delays. Please answer this. I am formally calling
You out to back up your "opinions". Opinions are formed based on an understanding of what you believe to be fact. Please lay those "facts" out there to be analyzed.
He WON'T. GUARANTEED. Because he's FOS.
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Its really sad when pinball people act like this. We all love pinball. Cant we all just get along.
I feel sorry for woz purchasers. They have been taken for a quite a ride. I do believe jack will come through.
But at what cost to the Pinball community.
If jack fails and people are left with no machines ,it will destroy pinball. This would be a lost to everyone.
So lets be positive. Any new machines are an asset to pinball. Pc based, em, dmd or what every i personally dont care. People can make there own decisions.
I have not ordered a woz. I am glad i didnt. I personally dont like the pay up front for things. I was going to wait and see what they look like and buy of the showroom floor, if a liked it. But i am Not sure when i will see one for sale though.
I do hope jjp does well and get things moving along.
I also hope Mike producers some australian designed pins.
As well as Spooky pinball, Ben Heck, Jpop
And the like.
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Does anyone have any video of the inside boards , leds etc of a Woz machine? It would be interesting to see who these machine are setup.
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Its really sad when pinball people act like this. We all love pinball. Cant we all just get along.
I feel sorry for woz purchasers. They have been taken for a quite a ride. I do believe jack will come through.
But at what cost to the Pinball community.
If jack fails and people are left with no machines ,it will destroy pinball. This would be a lost to everyone.
So lets be positive. Any new machines are an asset to pinball. Pc based, em, dmd or what every i personally dont care. People can make there own decisions.
I have not ordered a woz. I am glad i didnt. I personally dont like the pay up front for things. I was going to wait and see what they look like and buy of the showroom floor, if a liked it. But i am Not sure when i will see one for sale though.
I do hope jjp does well and get things moving along.
I also hope Mike producers some australian designed pins.
As well as Spooky pinball, Ben Heck, Jpop
And the like.
+1
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I'm not here to chat on this forum.
I get that now and I also get that you have damaged the JJP brand even further imo with your spat on this forum.
No difference to the Australian Labor Party recently changing leader, a distraction to the real issues, in JJP's case where are the games that people have paid for?
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Does anyone have any video of the inside boards , leds etc of a Woz machine? It would be interesting to see who these machine are setup.
I did take a video and photos of the inside of our wizard of oz when we unboxed it 6 months ago plugged in my iPhone to email the footage and bloody iTunes wiped my phone and lost the lot. On Monday If its not to busy I can see what I can do.
Basically its a small PC style mother board with a larger driver board to control the solonoids and lights etc. ours is a prototype so could be completely different than the current model
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Does anyone have any video of the inside boards , leds etc of a Woz machine? It would be interesting to see who these machine are setup.
I did take a video and photos of the inside of our wizard of oz when we unboxed it 6 months ago plugged in my iPhone to email the footage and bloody iTunes wiped my phone and lost the lot. On Monday If its not to busy I can see what I can do.
Basically its a small PC style mother board with a larger driver board to control the solonoids and lights etc. ours is a prototype so could be completely different than the current model
It is completely different. Completely new layout and board components.
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It is completely different. Completely new layout and board components.
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Do you have a video of the new boards. Also system diagnostics menus etc. all the techie stuff. Would be interesting and may help alleviate any misconceptions about the design.
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It is completely different. Completely new layout and board components.
Do you have a video of the new boards. Also system diagnostics menus etc. all the techie stuff. Would be interesting and may help alleviate any misconceptions about the design.
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There are hundreds of videos on YouTube of them now. As soon as. I get home ill take some videos of Diags.
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What does all this banter achieve ? Nothing ! . At the end of the day a good product sells itself regardless of what anyone says .
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He has refused to actually back up his assertions and you guys back him up for that. Don't you realize how odd that is? I have fact and video evidence to back up my statements he has conjecture and no proof yet you guys are giving me the 3rd degree? Sorry as I'm not attacking a country but one of your countrymen is full of crap and hasn't even come back to answer my questions.
Because he's FOS.
Nobody thinks your attacking a country, people are just taking exception because of your aggressive posts and the personal insults. It's ugly and I'd be amazed if it was being supported by JJP but your doing untold damage to the brand just the same.
We all know your opinion and we all know Mike's, people will make up there own minds on who is right and who's wrong. Please leave it at that and let the WoZ thread get back on topic.
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&^&It is completely different. Completely new layout and board components.
Do you have a video of the new boards. Also system diagnostics menus etc. all the techie stuff. Would be interesting and may help alleviate any misconceptions about the design.
There are hundreds of videos on YouTube of them now. As soon as. I get home ill take some videos of Diags.
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Thanks you , that would be cool.
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Pinchroma, are you 15YO? You sure act like it. Please tell us your background in the amusement industry and in general "real world" electronics. I suspect you are a computer programmer and nothing more - but that's just a guess as you have never told us about your experience.
I have been involved in the amusement industry for 34 years. Prior to that I had formal electronics training. I have been involved in "real world" industrial electronics design and repair all my life.
I really couldn't care if WOZ takes 3 seconds, 3 minutes or 3 hours to boot - you even contradict yourself in this thread (or is that lying?) one time saying "7 seconds" then later you say "20 seconds" - Sunfox says "26 seconds" a customer (who no longer owns the machine) told me "3 minutes", that could have been an off the cuff statement rather than an actual timed period. Either way they were very keen to be rid of the machine for several reasons.
Regardless, you seem rather touchy about this subject - forget calling me names, that won't wash around here like you managed to get away with on some rogue forums.
PCs and amusement devices - let's see since you appear to have little industry background:
(1) A redemption machine called "Agro" - a few hundred made, PC based would randomly reset, never reliably start, all gone now
(2) Several thousand photo booths, went very well for about 12 months then the PCs started to die, campatibility issues made it very difficult to keep them going. After 2 years the most valuable part in them was the NRI coin mech - all now dumped.
(3) A myriad of different "commercial" MP3 jukeboxes - nothing but an unreliable disaster and a huge monetary loss to anyone who bought them - mostly now pulled off site, sitting in sheds, waiting to be dumped.
(4) A twin driving game - looked great but once moved basically never worked reliably again. all stripped and dumped
Many many others all long forgotten and dumped.
Just 2 weeks ago a Kiss pinball owner purchased a replacement MPU-35 board from me for $200, plugged it in and in 30 minutes was playing his machine again. He was delighted. He could also have sent his board off and had it repaired for about half that cost.
Assuming he actually receives his WOZ one day, what will he do after 12 months/2 years whenever it stops, call a pinball tech who might say "that's a computer - I can't help" or maybe call a computer tech who might say "that's a pinball - I can't help".
Either way he can't simply remove a board and have it repaired or replaced - it isn't that straightforward.
Therein is the entire problem with WOZ - the concept of it was flawed right from the very start.
Pinchroma, you and Sunfox were able to get the pitchfork brigade all worked up about me on another unruly and mostly unmoderated forum because nobody there knows me. Here the members know me for being helpful when they have an electronic problem - I even make one off boards to help them out when I need to. I like to think that my industry and electronic knowledge is well respected here, perhaps I'm wrong, I was once?
Your constant barrage of personal insults towards me only serves to show your true colours to those on this forum and, by default, just how terrible JJP is shaping up to be regarding customer service. Jack is aware of the comments on this thread and he told me that Pinchroma is free to say what he likes!!
I really feel sorry for those who have had faith in this project.
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@Mike, you missed pinball 2000
@Pinchroma, I think that you have acted like an asshole on this forum
I had already canceled my WoZ order a few days ago
your actions here have made me feel I made the right decision
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your actions here have made me feel I made the right decision
Pete, I have been neutral about this project, and haven't had too much to say other than sharing the not uncommon thought about the theme, but that's personal opinion. I think your decision is well supported by what's gone on here.
I was hesitant about the platform because in my limited experience, PC software based systems I have used (music recording for example) were always flaky compared with a hardware/embedded controller solutions. Even Coconut Island showed the same sorts of weaknesses such as long boot time and the need to reset things (of course, that was an amateur attempt).
The P2K issue of PC replacement of course if one most pinheads are familiar with, kudos to Chuck and the team for their solution, hopefully we'll see that reemerge soon.
I am amazed that JPP would support the rude and arrogant displays here by Pinchroma. As a manager I have learned that employee attitude is often a reflection of management - I hope that is not the case.
I am of a mind to separate out this latest dialogue into its own little thread to showcase the JPP experience, and so that the WoZ thread doesn't remain polluted with the rubbish.
Personally, some things stand out for me -
I see Mike's runs on the board with his contribution to the hobby as heavily outweighing the attacks being made by this JPP person;
Mike has delivered in spades as and when with boards and help - never did see anyone wait several years for a reply with a bunch of LIES about delivery dates in between;
The attitude displayed by this JPP employee and the support by his management leaves me quite happy to stick to my classic embedded controller games, safe in the knowledge that what I can't fix can be fixed by experts like Mike.
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Pinchroma, you and Sunfox were able to get the pitchfork brigade all worked up about me on another unruly and mostly unmoderated forum because nobody there knows me. Here the members know me for being helpful when they have an electronic problem - I even make one off boards to help them out when I need to. I like to think that my industry and electronic knowledge is well respected here, perhaps I'm wrong, I was once?
The "pitchfork brigade" was worked up by your WORDS, not the people posting screenshots of YOUR WORDS. Take some personal responsibility for calling two countries "idiots with small minds" "living in sheltered worlds"! However, I do notice that you finally removed your insulting text from your webpage. Is there a glimmer of hope that you finally agree that what you said might have been inappropriate? You never did answer my question in the other thread.
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Could the different boot times be based on cool or warm boots. I have no idea at all how WOZ operates, but having spent over 30 years in IT, I strongly support dedicated hardware to PC vased systems.
The fact that the boot issue has triggered such a barrage of exchanges across the Pacific tells me that the brains of WOZ may be the Achilles heel and maybe the reason for the release delay. People made numerous comments about the high quality of WOZ compared to other pinball which is good if you can get to play it - the wait is pissing people off big time!
I always had a bad gut feel about a pay-up-front model and this thread justifies that feel.
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..... the wait is pissing people off big time!
Three years, or the 30 seconds (or three minutes??) it takes to boot?? <.>
Seems the wait will *never* be over for WoZ customers - even after delivery!! %.%
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I see Mike's runs on the board with his contribution to the hobby as heavily outweighing the attacks being made by this JPP person;
Mike has delivered in spades as and when with boards and help - never did see anyone wait several years for a reply with a bunch of LIES about delivery dates in between;
The attitude displayed by this JPP employee and the support by his management leaves me quite happy to stick to my classic embedded controller games, safe in the knowledge that what I can't fix can be fixed by experts like Mike.
So, Mike makes boards, so official Aussie Pinball policy is he's allowed to say anything he wants no matter how false it is? This is a serious question I would like an answer to, and do remember I'm not affiliated with JJP.
If he comes in and says Stern pins are made in North Korea using child labor and include small fragmentation bombs in the power supplies that are all synchronized to explode on January 26, 2014... that's now fact and no one is allowed to dare counter his expertise?
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So, Mike makes boards, so official Aussie Pinball policy is he's allowed to say anything he wants no matter how false it is? This is a serious question I would like an answer to, and do remember I'm not affiliated with JJP.
If he comes in and says Stern pins are made in North Korea using child labor and include small fragmentation bombs in the power supplies that are all synchronized to explode on January 26, 2014... that's now fact and no one is allowed to dare counter his expertise?
Mike's opinions as well of those from you and Pinchroma have all been left for the world to see. I am not "Aussie Pinball", and have merely expressed my observations and opinion.
That will be the last comment by you attempting to create a *forum* issue.
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Mike's opinions as well of those from you and Pinchroma have all been left for the world to see. I am not "Aussie Pinball", and have merely expressed my observations and opinion.
That will be the last comment by you attempting to create a *forum* issue.
I will take that as verbal acceptance that uninformed opinions or those based on false information may continue to be countered.
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I will take that as verbal acceptance that uninformed opinions or those based on false information may continue to be countered.
I explained my stand on amusement machines based on PCs in my last long post. They are hardly "uninformed opinions". I have held this belief for many years and it is well founded based on many years of experience directly with this type of equipment. I have been of this opinion for many years before even hearing of Jack or WOZ. I was happy when JJP announced a new veture and then saddened when I found out it was to be PC based.
You are fully entitled to have a differing opinion and I respect that - it seems that you don't accept that anyone could possibly have an opinion that differs to yours.
By the way - did you know Stern pinballs are made by child labour in Nth Korea and have small bo ..............it must be true you told me.......
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Well said Gav.
My issue is that Pinchroma has entered Aussie Pinball in exactly the same way that JJP entered pinball imo, with arrogance and negativity.
How about offering something constructive to the forum and not coming on here for the sole purpose of baiting a valued member of the forum?
I'm not here to chat on this forum. Merely to stop homepin from continuing to spread LIES. They aren't opinion. He states them as if he is in the know. Check other forums where he got publicly blasted for his complete non-unserstanding of anything he claimed to know about and especially things that are technology related. People from intel/Microsoft/amd amongst a bunch of other tech savvy people completely disemboweled everything he said so he disappeared (ran home with his tail between his legs) so now he's here spewing the same crap to you guys.
Sorry but I'm not about to have someone who has zero understanding of a platform or technology preach like his word is gospel and cover it under the veil of "someone told me".
He has refused to actually back up his assertions and you guys back him up for that. Don't you realize how odd that is? I have fact and video evidence to back up my statements he has conjecture and no proof yet you guys are giving me the 3rd degree? Sorry as I'm not attacking a country but one of your countrymen is full of crap and hasn't even come back to answer my questions.
Mike, Explain your reasonings as for why pc's don't work and how woz is taking 3 minutes to boot and how that's the reason behind delays. Please answer this. I am formally calling
You out to back up your "opinions". Opinions are formed based on an understanding of what you believe to be fact. Please lay those "facts" out there to be analyzed.
He WON'T. GUARANTEED. Because he's FOS.
I would have thought that if your not here to chat or contribute then you are the one that is FOS and need to crawl back under the rock from where you came.
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Hahaha I love mikes work his boards are always top notch. And once I see a Woz ill make up my own mind like a big boy. No need to have a cry because mike called your country a name !!! We call Kiwis sheep shagger we call Brits whining poms Etc
Harden up fellas ship us the games and let everyone make up there own mind? Your posts are not helping Jack as others have said its basically more crap we have to filter out yes your may be fact but there's that much bullshit already I don't think anyone actually cares anymore we just want games
ENJOY PINBALL
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I explained my stand on amusement machines based on PCs in my last long post. They are hardly "uninformed opinions". I have held this belief for many years and it is well founded based on many years of experience directly with this type of equipment. I have been of this opinion for many years before even hearing of Jack or WOZ. I was happy when JJP announced a new veture and then saddened when I found out it was to be PC based.
You are fully entitled to have a differing opinion and I respect that - it seems that you don't accept that anyone could possibly have an opinion that differs to yours.
By the way - did you know Stern pinballs are made by child labour in Nth Korea and have small bo ..............it must be true you told me.......
I respect that you might have a different opinion. However:
1) When you say something that is provably incorrect - whatever the reason - and then you are corrected in such a way that you see it with your own eyes and it cannot be disputed, I don't expect a reasoned person to blindly ignore that information. It's very hard to have a discussion with someone who thinks the sky is green if he refuses to go outside or look at pictures to see that it's really blue. I don't expect you to take anything I say at face value, but please be open to adjusting your thinking based on empirical evidence.
2) Similarly, if you believe someone is incorrect on something, of if you are trying to present a differing point of view, then most people like to be shown facts or specific pieces of information that help them understand your opinion and your reasons for saying it. To LEARN, rather than be TOLD. For example, elsewhere you say that replacing the motherboard on WOZ will be a "nightmare". Why? How is it much different than replacing a CPU board on an embedded system? Please explain so that I and everyone can understand!
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I see Mike's runs on the board with his contribution to the hobby as heavily outweighing the attacks being made by this JPP person;
Mike has delivered in spades as and when with boards and help - never did see anyone wait several years for a reply with a bunch of LIES about delivery dates in between;
The attitude displayed by this JPP employee and the support by his management leaves me quite happy to stick to my classic embedded controller games, safe in the knowledge that what I can't fix can be fixed by experts like Mike.
So, Mike makes boards, so official Aussie Pinball policy is he's allowed to say anything he wants no matter how false it is? This is a serious question I would like an answer to, and do remember I'm not affiliated with JJP.
If he comes in and says Stern pins are made in North Korea using child labor and include small fragmentation bombs in the power supplies that are all synchronized to explode on January 26, 2014... that's now fact and no one is allowed to dare counter his expertise?
Mate... Mike can say a PC based system is rubbish if he wants. History has them as flaky and he is well and truly allowed to express his opinion to which, members here will evaluate based on their own intelligence.
You and Pinchrome are also well and truly allowed to express completely conflicting opinions, post videos to support etc and again, members here will evaluate.
But... what we don't like on AP is very aggressive and insulting posts... this is not RGP or Pinside or AA for that matter. Any conversations you have had on those forums are on those forums and members here would like them to stay there.
Say what you like but articulate it, not go posting foul language and insults... we don't like it here.. it makes for bad reading and drags the forum down.
What is the issue here?? Boot times?
Quick search for WOZ boot time on Google brings up conversations on Pinside... Pinchrome has it at about 14 seconds... video has it at 30 seconds... unknown customer has it at 3 minutes ( which could well be an exaggeration and some sarcastic humour thrown in... switch on - go make cup of tea - come back and ready to play... I say the same about GTB 70's EM games... flip the ball, make cup of tea - flip ball again ((( ((( ((( ((( ).
So what?... Personally, I don't care if it takes 1 minute to boot or 30 secs... if you cant wait a minute to play a game go evaluate yourself not the game.
Will the system stand up over the test of time? - We don't know, the machine will prove itself over the years. This is something that can only be evaluated once machines are delivered and played many times.. something the majority of WOZ buyers ( not owners) are still waiting to do.
Ok.. we have Mikes opinion which we are all aware of... we have yours which we are all aware of... we have Pinchromes which we are also aware of... and there my friend is where all this stalls because without the machines to demonstrate with we are only left with opinions, hearsay and some random videos on Utube...
Personal opinions about a persons machine is what counts and for that... well we now impatiently wait.
There is a massive hold up at JJP - speculation is the PC based system is proving a hassle.. my take is that you are making the boards as you go along... we could all be wrong but without a TRUE and factual statement from JJP we will continue to speculate... Pinchromes rants have done nothing to quell that speculation.
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If the holdup is in any way related to electronics, then I'd wager it's NOT the PC part!
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Hahaha I love mikes work his boards are always top notch. And once I see a Woz ill make up my own mind like a big boy. No need to have a cry because mike called your country a name !!! We call Kiwis sheep shagger we call Brits whining poms Etc
Harden up fellas ship us the games and let everyone make up there own mind? Your posts are not helping Jack as others have said its basically more crap we have to filter out yes your may be fact but there's that much bullshit already I don't think anyone actually cares anymore we just want games
ENJOY PINBALL
Daniel, I have to stop you there mate. My girlfriend, who is a prize winning sheep, has taken great offence to your comment about new Zealanders. As she is the love of m life, I have to end our friendship here and now. %$% mods take note of this please, and no one mention anything about chickens either @.@
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As she is the love of m life, I have to end our friendship here and now. %$% mods take note of this please, and no one mention anything about chickens either @.@
Noted, DDS & PG friendship forum approved termination in place.
Now, back to pinball you chicken f*#$ers!!
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As she is the love of m life, I have to end our friendship here and now. %$% mods take note of this please, and no one mention anything about chickens either @.@
Noted, DDS & PG friendship forum approved termination in place.
Now, back to pinball you chicken f*#$ers!!
^.^
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As she is the love of m life, I have to end our friendship here and now. %$% mods take note of this please, and no one mention anything about chickens either @.@
Noted, DDS & PG friendship forum approved termination in place.
Now, back to pinball you chicken f*#$ers!!
Hahaha
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As she is the love of m life, I have to end our friendship here and now. %$% mods take note of this please, and no one mention anything about chickens either @.@
Noted, DDS & PG friendship forum approved termination in place.
Now, back to pinball you chicken f*#$ers!!
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Did someone really just call me a chicken farter ?
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!@# Twister?
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If this Pinchroma character is the best guy Jersey Jack can find to publicly represent him on forums, he needs to start a real PR department to better represent him.
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If this Pinchroma character is the best guy Jersey Jack can find to publicly represent him on forums, he needs to start a real PR department to better represent him.
Funny - after Mike's bigoted postings about US/Canada, a lot of people outside Australia are thinking the same thing about him!
Guess we're all stuck with what we got... in my opinion!
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To enlighten members here the "bigoted posts" Sunfox refers to I will very briefly summarize here:
There was a post started on another forum about TAG. I didn't start it and didn't really WANT it started either because, for various reasons, most NOT known to any of the members on that forum INCLUDING Sunfox I had no intention of selling TAG to the USA.
Most posters were unimpressed to the point of ridicule about TAG - I knew well in advance this would likely be the case as the show was never really popular in the USA.
That was fine - I knew it would be so. At exactly the same moment I was replying to a post in that thread I received my 5th PayPal chargeback from a Canadian (the previous 4 were from Americans) all in a FIVE WEEK PERIOD!!!
I was furious as the USA represents about 5% of Homepin business BUT created 100% of the problems - I vented on the thread and changed my website front page to say that I would no longer sell to the USA because of "too many small minded idiots that trust PayPal and chargeback at a moments notice" - or words to that effect. I have since softened my stance a little, but not much, those comments remain true - I NEVER said "ALL" as most of the pitchfork wielding posters seemed to think - I said "too many".
For some reason known only to Americans, they are the only ones in the entire world that are "allowed" to sell pinball and pinball parts and nowhere else in the world exists.
Of course every two bit idiot then had to stick the knife in including a couple of Australian posters that have been banned from both Australian forums and a well known Melbourne seller of pinball parts who has said he is making a machine. All sorts of stupid comments followed mostly fuelled by Pinchroma and Sunfox. "I will copy all Homepin boards and put them out of business" and similar rubbish.
That's the guts of the story and all I can say is that if JJP does, in fact employ this Pinchroma character then God help them. If you think his comments on this forum were out of order then you would surely cringe at his "thread resurrection" today designed only to try and damage me after he failed miserably with his attempt here. He falsely claimed in his initial resurrection post that I was slandering Americans and Canadians "on other forums" - that is a lie, out and out. he then took the opportunity to re-post a screenshot from my webpage that was up for no longer than 30 minutes whilst I was fuming at the thieves who stole from me.
Then he suggested I "shuffle off with my walking frame old man" - he really is a complete embarrassmant to JJP if, in fact, he does work there.
Jack responded to a very polite email I sent him about Pinchroma but did not confirm or deny that this person worked for him.
In any case I have tried at all times to remain logical about things but these personal attacks mostly from Pinchroma but also from Sunfox really are not acceptable in any shape or form.
At the end of the day there is certainly something quite sinister going on here there can be no doubt about that.
Rather than answer valid questions from buyers JJP and cohorts choose to attack and attempt to discredit me - drawing attention away from their problems. Time will tell us all who was the victim here and who is doing the wrong thing.
Now Sunfox & Pinchroma, unless you actually have something to offer the members here why don't you just go back to that complete mess of a forum while it still exists. I don't believe anyone here is remotely interested in your BS any longer.
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Keep moving forward Man, hope you get there & succeed, don't look back as they say, you will get a sore neck ()
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To enlighten members here the "bigoted posts" Sunfox refers to I will very briefly summarize here:
There was a post started on another forum about TAG. I didn't start it and didn't really WANT it started either because, for various reasons, most NOT known to any of the members on that forum INCLUDING Sunfox I had no intention of selling TAG to the USA.
Most posters were unimpressed to the point of ridicule about TAG - I knew well in advance this would likely be the case as the show was never really popular in the USA.
That was fine - I knew it would be so. At exactly the same moment I was replying to a post in that thread I received my 5th PayPal chargeback from a Canadian (the previous 4 were from Americans) all in a FIVE WEEK PERIOD!!!
Honestly, Mike - if you re-read that thread right up to your infamous post, there really wasn't anything shocking. There were also many supportive posts, supportive people that you turned off. What you said came out of total left field to everyone, and it's after that that things went downhill.
I was furious as the USA represents about 5% of Homepin business BUT created 100% of the problems - I vented on the thread and changed my website front page to say that I would no longer sell to the USA because of "too many small minded idiots that trust PayPal and chargeback at a moments notice" - or words to that effect. I have since softened my stance a little, but not much, those comments remain true - I NEVER said "ALL" as most of the pitchfork wielding posters seemed to think - I said "too many".
Alas, that is a distinction that few see. Your message targeted everyone in those countries, and thus so did the reason why you won't sell to them. Whether you see it or not, that's how it comes off to those living in those countries.
Also, I'm rather doubtful that 100% of your PayPal problems have always been USA/Canada based, so targeting them in specific at this time seems odd.
For some reason known only to Americans, they are the only ones in the entire world that are "allowed" to sell pinball and pinball parts and nowhere else in the world exists.
Not sure where this is coming from.
Of course every two bit idiot then had to stick the knife in including a couple of Australian posters that have been banned from both Australian forums and a well known Melbourne seller of pinball parts who has said he is making a machine. All sorts of stupid comments followed mostly fuelled by Pinchroma and Sunfox. "I will copy all Homepin boards and put them out of business" and similar rubbish.
Honestly - none of this would've happened if you hadn't made the comment you quote earlier... as well as the one, "Have fun in the USA living in your sheltered world." Now that really pissed them off! A lot of those people have been going through very difficult times, just like many other places in the world, and I don't think any of them appreciated that unjust generalization.
That's the guts of the story and all I can say is that if JJP does, in fact employ this Pinchroma character then God help them. If you think his comments on this forum were out of order then you would surely cringe at his "thread resurrection" today designed only to try and damage me after he failed miserably with his attempt here. He falsely claimed in his initial resurrection post that I was slandering Americans and Canadians "on other forums" - that is a lie, out and out. he then took the opportunity to re-post a screenshot from my webpage that was up for no longer than 30 minutes whilst I was fuming at the thieves who stole from me.
That message was actually up for several days. I know, because I was hoping you'd come to your senses quicker, but it didn't happen the next day or even the one after that. Then you removed the line about small minded idiots, and a few days later you finally reworded it to what it is now.
Also, you did say something in another forum to the effect of you couldn't care less if you ever sell another thing to the US, they think they're the center of the universe and no one can survive without them. Yeah, I know that's the general attitude of world vs USA, but you don't come out and say it! :-)
In any case I have tried at all times to remain logical about things but these personal attacks mostly from Pinchroma but also from Sunfox really are not acceptable in any shape or form.
Now Sunfox & Pinchroma, unless you actually have something to offer the members here why don't you just go back to that complete mess of a forum while it still exists. I don't believe anyone here is remotely interested in your BS any longer.
If you notice, these little tiffs come up only after you start posting in WOZ threads with what those more informed on the subject believe to be false information. I have begged you civilly several times to support your arguments with further information, but you always ignore me.
Let me repeat my last such request, and please point out where I am attacking or insulting you - and also point out where you responded to me with what I request.
I respect that you might have a different opinion. However:
1) When you say something that is provably incorrect - whatever the reason - and then you are corrected in such a way that you see it with your own eyes and it cannot be disputed, I don't expect a reasoned person to blindly ignore that information. It's very hard to have a discussion with someone who thinks the sky is green if he refuses to go outside or look at pictures to see that it's really blue. I don't expect you to take anything I say at face value, but please be open to adjusting your thinking based on empirical evidence.
2) Similarly, if you believe someone is incorrect on something, of if you are trying to present a differing point of view, then most people like to be shown facts or specific pieces of information that help them understand your opinion and your reasons for saying it. To LEARN, rather than be TOLD. For example, elsewhere you say that replacing the motherboard on WOZ will be a "nightmare". Why? How is it much different than replacing a CPU board on an embedded system? Please explain so that I and everyone can understand!
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I honestly wonder why I bother.........I have made my opinion of PC based machines pretty clear I believe - I have held this belief for more than 10 years and I think it holds true today.
You are choosing to not bother reading my reasons for purposes that suit your argument I suppose.....
Why don't we just agree to disagree - drop the whole thing and let time decide who is correct?
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I honestly wonder why I bother.........I have made my opinion of PC based machines pretty clear I believe - I have held this belief for more than 10 years and I think it holds true today.
You are choosing to not bother reading my reasons for purposes that suit your argument I suppose.....
Why don't we just agree to disagree - drop the whole thing and let time decide who is correct?
Not that this answers my specific question regarding your stance on replacing the WOZ motherboard, but in the general sense of why you dislike PCs, I have honestly looked for your reasons and cannot find anything beyond broad generalizations, references to P2K (which, yes, was a very poorly thought out design in terms of making it future proof), and some issues with a Brother printer. :-)
But, yes, we both have better things to do then argue about this. It's really quite simple: make sure you post only facts, and there is nothing to dispute! Honestly. I'm 100% about facts, whether they support what I'm saying or whether they disprove it. Just USE them!
WOZ takes 3 minutes to boot: false; multiple video evidence available.
JJP is very very slow building games: true, based on shipment data.
The computer system is the reason for the delay: unproven.
JJP is not saying why things are so slow: true, based on lack of information.
The order of game shipments is confusing (ie. distributors earlier than expected): true, however specifics unknown.
Replacing a WOZ motherboard is a nightmare: unproven; also unproven to be more difficult than any other board.
WOZ computers will all break down in 2 years: unproven.
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Replacing a Woz motherboard is easy -Proven
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If this Pinchroma character is the best guy Jersey Jack can find to publicly represent him on forums, he needs to start a real PR department to better represent him.
I'm looking for a job.
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There are no current delays. We are just about ramped up to 40 games a week....Games are shipping. We are shipping in batches...Now that everything is in place, proper suppliers for each part, smooth sailing on that front from here on out...
...Games are built in order. No one got their games before someone else who ordered first unless they bought from a distributor who ordered day 1. The distrib can ship the games in whatever order they want. JJP has no control over that. Any games purchased direct are getting shipped direct in the order they came in with very few exceptions. those exceptions are limited to games like mine which I need to develop on prod hardware and a few traveling road show games that end up at pin shows. That's it.
OK, so the thread got heated but some good information has also come out of it such as the above.
Ok.. we have Mikes opinion which we are all aware of... we have yours which we are all aware of... we have Pinchromes which we are also aware of...
So, Homepin has told us he doesn't like the PC-based system because of concerns about its longevity.
Whether or not such concerns turn out to be justified, perhaps we could also hear from Pinchroma (or others) as to why JJP chose to go down this route?
What are the advantages of such a system, why was it required?
(Apologies if I have missed such an explanation posted here or elsewhere)
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If this Pinchroma character is the best guy Jersey Jack can find to publicly represent him on forums, he needs to start a real PR department to better represent him.
I'm looking for a job.
You may not have a showing, not being a complete space cadet.
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I ordered in the first week
No distributors were announced until about May 11 (?)
Were any standards ordered in that first week
Jack stated many times, 'first to pay, first to play', I finished making payments in 2011
If any standard versions were ordered before I placed my order, and/or Jack signed up any distributors in the first week, then I will unreservedly apologize to him
Pinchroma, any response to this? Just curious as to the order in which games are being filled.
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I ordered in the first week
No distributors were announced until about May 11 (?)
Were any standards ordered in that first week
Jack stated many times, 'first to pay, first to play', I finished making payments in 2011
If any standard versions were ordered before I placed my order, and/or Jack signed up any distributors in the first week, then I will unreservedly apologize to him
Pinchroma, any response to this? Just curious as to the order in which games are being filled.
I have no idea when people ordered so i can't speak to that but all the of the standards that are out there now are distribs who asked for some of their standards to be built first which may have been ordered later but they swapped the build dates for their LE vs Standard because they also route games.
The ratio of LE's to Standards is about 9:1.. 9 LE's for every 1 standard built. If you ordered an LE day 1 and then ordered a standard 6 months later, one for your home and another to route and you ask to have your standard built first so you can get it out there making money? Sure why not. Same amount of games are being built. Just that LE will be built in the spot that the standard was originally in and vice versa. Perfect example is a NY operator who has a location with 10 machines. He bought 2.. decided to get his route game first so he can bring in money on it.
Hell i would too.
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Hi Pinchrome , can you tell me what the weathers like in NJ ?
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New article here, more information and some footage inside the factory:
http://www.app.com/article/20130714/NJBIZ/307140010/Jersey-Jack-Pinball-Wizard-of-Oz (http://www.app.com/article/20130714/NJBIZ/307140010/Jersey-Jack-Pinball-Wizard-of-Oz)
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Wow, look at all those people working furiously on getting those games out. Never seen so many employed staff <.>
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Wow, look at all those people working furiously on getting those games out. Never seen so many employed staff <.>
Reading the article, it looks like they are only running at 30% capacity. It says they can make 50 machines per week but the plan is for $8 mil in annual sales (about 20 machines pw).
I can not see how they can make any profit with $8 mil annual sales. The wage bill for 50 workers would be at least $1.5 mil p.a. not to mention the running costs of a small office and 42, 000 sq.ft. factory.
The article also says there is a 6-9 month wait because sales have been brisk. !!@ Why not work 7 day weeks until they catch up?
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The article also says there is a 6-9 month wait because sales have been brisk. !!@ Why not work 7 day weeks until they catch up?
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More BS!
I bet the refund queue is getting just as big.
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Here's another nice clear video of a decent game on a machine running code 1.14 from new owner tehashix:
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Pinchroma also offered the following information as to why JJP decided to use a PC-based system in the game:
"The PC based decision was actually an easy one. We selected a military grade motherboard and are driving the game with a solid state hard drive with a 50 year mean time to failure. The way I wrote the OS is utilizing a mechanism called UEFI which guarantees infinite forward compatibility. As motherboards grow obsolete, they can be switched out at the owners discretion with NO additional work. Literally swap the board/CPU like you would on any mpu on an existing pinball machine and the game will boot right up. The drivers are universal due to UEFI. 10 or even 5 years ago this wasn't possible.
Not only are we driving full 1080p which isn't possible in an embedded platform as you need a gpu but we will have full gigabit Internet access for downloads and Facebook syncing and a bunch of other things I can't announce yet that also will never be possible with traditional embedded."
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Thanks for the vid,
Patience (((
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It's looking good. Shouldn't be to long before some lucky customers get there machines I'm guessing another month ;)
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Wow. After not seeing a video for a while and then watching that one I think I've changed my mind. It looks pretty frickin cool.
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Agree, the lighting is stunning and gameplay looks quite good as well
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http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bumper-action-i-still-havnt-received-my-employee-entitlements-from-nov-2012
I thought this was relevant as it has to do with WOZ customers. Mods can of course move or delete post if not warranted.
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http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bumper-action-i-still-havnt-received-my-employee-entitlements-from-nov-2012
I thought this was relevant as it has to do with WOZ customers. Mods can of course move or delete post if not warranted.
Care factor = 0
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Care factor = 0
Of course, you cancelled your order. Possibly exceptional timing as well.
Hope it all works out for the rest of Aussie WOZ customers.
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I see that a thread was started about this development later this morning. Disregard #@#
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Don't stress WOZ are still coming its all upto jack. Bumper are taking a hit by bringing them over a few at a time as jack builds them as waiting for a container would take forever.
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Therein is the entire problem with WOZ - the concept of it was flawed right from the very start.
Maybe those other systems ran a cr*p OS.
The WOZ runs Linux on a military spec Intel MB with SSD.
If this format is so unstable, how come the prototype at Bumper is still running well?
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Pinchroma also offered the following information as to why JJP decided to use a PC-based system in the game:
"The PC based decision was actually an easy one. We selected a military grade motherboard."
Nothing but marketing BS!
!!@ !!@ !!@ !!@
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_P67/
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Therein is the entire problem with WOZ - the concept of it was flawed right from the very start.
Maybe those other systems ran a cr*p OS.
The WOZ runs Linux on a military spec Intel MB with SSD.
If this format is so unstable, how come the prototype at Bumper is still running well?
If you believe the marketing crap about "military spec motherboad" then I have a bridge for sale......
I never suggested the format was unstable for a second - just a nightmare to repair, particularly when the "military grade" motherboard carks it!
But let's leave time to be the judge of this.
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Yes, time will be the problem. IMO, PC parts are not made to last, they have an effective life of around 5 years and are not really meant to be repaired, simply replaced.
I would imagine finding a 10 year old motherboard, ram, cards may not be easy.
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I thought this post from Jersey Jack was worth re-posting here. I lifted it from Pinside but it was apparently originally posted on the private JJP forum last Saturday. It seems that they are attempting to ramp up production significantly next month and that there is still a lot more planned for WOZ that hasn't been seen yet. Also a link to a patent for some kind of integrated pinball redemption machine (a little difficult to decipher) and some claims of sabotage thrown in.
From JJP forum (unedited):
On Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:24:12 AM UTC-4, Jersey Jack wrote:
Every day I'm amazed at the creativity and ideas of our customer base.......
I also posted this on another thread here but in case you missed it:
I'm living more in reality now that months ago. That means that I can see what is happening daily and weekly and what's going in boxes and leaving.
The stack of 250 new pallets only has 38 pallets on it now....so we shipped all those games since April 29th and 30 more in Final Test at the moment as I write this. Alex was here yesterday and he took some pictures. His head was spinning.
We have 200 games on the matrix for August with 182 being ECLEWOZ and 18 being WOZ
We built and shipped WOZ as I said we would. You see them more than the LE's because the people getting LE games are quietly putting them in their homes not looking for drama.
Our parts suppliers are keeping up for the most part, harnesses, power supplies, mother boards, board sets, etc....the OTD parts, still we have over $3.3 million here in parts as we ordered thousands of parts to do the first 1,500 games. We have made some minor changes to enable us to make the game easier to assemble.
We did not announce the hiring of an iconic industry production expert who joined us in June. That made a huge difference. He ran production at several pinball factories and most recently Namco. I moved him and his family from Illinois to beautiful New Jersey. He has an employment contract for five years with an option. After we hired him, another pinball maker called him (twice) offering him a job. Not because they wanted him there really but because they knew if he was here we would increase our production momentum......I need to write a book one day.
Action still speaks volumes, keep our heads down and build and ship games.....that shuts everyone up...let the games do the talking, not me. I'm tired of hearing me. Things go easier as we train, learn and improve and as the people on the line go from being individuals to being part of a Team. You don't go to the gym and bench press 300 pounds on the first day. You train and work up to it over time.
I remember a day a year ago or so that it took us two months to assemble one game and it looked like we were building Frankenstein. It took us ten days of all of us working to build 8 games for IAAPA. That's funny now.
Now I go a few feet from here and all of these people are hopping and clopping and making games, I wish you could all be here to see it because your heads would spin. Pictures do not do it justice. We had visitors this week here from two major amusement manufacturers. They were amazed and they are in the business 40+ years each.
All I can say is that when people get the game, they love it. The game is earning money off the charts for pinball. I heard that Gary Stern threatened locations if they install WOZ next to his game - he will take out what he lent them - in Chicago - this told to me by several area operators there. When you have a game making more than all the other pinball machines combined, Including Metallica, you have a hit game - and by the way - it's not finished yet.
In the last month we have added more than 140 unpaid orders for WOZ which we need to filter into the line starting in Mid- September - when operators want games for their routes again. At that point we will be up to 15 games a day. 10 a day ECLEWOZ and 5 a day WOZ in September. The shifts get two hours longer and we will work every Saturday. We have one theater operator who says he is placing an order for 60 WOZ that he needs by 10/15
There are almost 60 people working here. We have two huge parking lots and our neighbors complained that we took all the spots (they are our spots, not theirs) as we have a 42,000 sq ft building and all of theirs are smaller.
A year ago the haters wrote we would never build a game, it would never ship, that our parking lot is empty, we would be out of business, etc...etc....I guess not. Now that we are building and shipping, it's not fast enough...I agree....but we are getting there.
We still want to under-promise and over-deliver and we will. You all ain't seen this game do anything yet....none of you found it so here is what was Published in May much of it we are already making reality now:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130113161
People asking about The Hobbit - like Gabe- OK - I'll release more of the playfield layout in a week or so. We are almost sold out of the game with distributors asking to up their allocations which I have resisted. There will be a MAP price increase announced shortly as of a certain date and that's to reward those who are in early and paid money on their Hobbit.
The mind set in creating WOZ was the "Best Game Ever" The mindset of the Team in creating The Hobbit is that we want Wizard of Oz to be the worst game we ever build....we always want to be better and reward our loyal JJP customers who helped build the company.
Remember, this has taken a "long time" but we are just getting started in doing what we set out to do when we had less than nothing on 1/1/11
Thanks again to all of you for your trust and belief and for defending JJP in the face of the haters and doubters. I always thought that more pinball would be a good thing, apparently there are those who post on "Wrongside" otherwise. They too will be playing JJP games. We have seen some past haters even buy and operate WOZ so I guess that's amazing by itself.
A good game comes around once in a while....a great game is even more rare. We have an amazing opportunity to have a great game, followed by a great game, followed by a great game.....It took longer to get here, yes....shipping this game a year ago would have given you a crappy game. You can already buy one if you wanted that. The extra time and money spent was well worth it.
I can see building thousands of WOZ games. The whole Earth is our marketplace.
You all had faith, those who already got games see the result of what we promised. Those who are still waiting, be a bit more patient with us....nobody wants to ship your game more than I do!
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"We still want to under-promise and over-deliver and we will."
?? still ??
I think this should have been better expressed as
"Now that we have been bent over like a pretzel due to our regular BS delivery promises,
we now plan to stop making up dates, let people believe never, and that will mean any delivery date will be over-delivery". :tumble:
But it does look like they are getting on top of this project, and that is great to hear.
Love the industrial espionage claims!! #*#
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....... You all ain't seen this game do anything yet....none of you found it so here is what was Published in May much of it we are already making reality now:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130113161
OMG, of all the unholy abominations created by man, this frankenpinball idea sucks the hardest.
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Give me a pizza if I play well *%* I want one for my room, I was wondering how they would fit an oven into a pinball cabinet, but just realised it only prints out a ticket @.@ not so excited anymore *)*
Who wants a SALAD ::) maybe that's the consolation prize *)*
(http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US20130113161A1/US20130113161A1-20130509-D00007.png)
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I think the idea will catch on for where it matters - making money on location, right next to the many redemption games.
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....... You all ain't seen this game do anything yet....none of you found it so here is what was Published in May much of it we are already making reality now:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130113161
OMG, of all the unholy abominations created by man, this frankenpinball idea sucks the hardest.
Don't be too concerned, Nick. It won't be released until 2069.
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Don't be too concerned, Nick. It won't be released until 2069.
Never been more happy to know I won't survive that long.....
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Got mine, well worth the wait. #466
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is there any reviews on this game with the current software. is it a good game?
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Got mine, well worth the wait. #466
.....and that's all ????? After all the crap surely you can make more of a comment than that??
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I have not posted a review as there are plenty around. I updated to latest code last week and have been playing quite a few games. To be frank it is quite complicated and taking quite a while for me to figure stuff out. I have said this before everyone and I mean everyone be it pinhead or not has loved the game.
I think it is awesome.
Chris
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I don't do reviews, but lets say 100% players are happy with the experience of this pin. Definitely going to keep my Jersey Jack pins.
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Well done , enjoy ^^^
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Hopefully this means that those members who have paid through Bumper (now the former distributor of WoZ) will be safe in their purchase. It seems to read that way, but I guess time will tell as the amounts stated as paid (total $150,000.00 US) will not cover a lot of games, and of course no-one knows what amounts were received by Bumper from customers.
http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5583440c3b325b99b4e5bc576&id=88987eaec3
I truly hope that the member purchasers remain safe and no-one loses out either on their game or on money paid.
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Interesting arrangement, a little worrying for those with money down. Hopefully they get their machines and quickly (((
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hasn't' everything stalled on this forum? Maybe everyone is just nicer here than the others (yes there are others, but don't look, nasty stuff going on).
No LE WOZ coming to Australia of course if you ordered through you a distributor. That's a fact.
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Yer I'm one of those people who will never see and never spend another cent at Bumper.
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Purely my opinion, but I dare say that Bumper won't care. I heard from a mate today that had paid in full for his WOZ machine a few years ago. He had been in regular contact with both Bumper (both the GM and David) and JJP who repeatedly promised him all was good and he would get his machine in the 2nd container. Today was the first day I heard him say, "I think it's gone, the money's gone and I am not going to get my machine."
It looks like the $150k that JJP did receive is basically a part payment on numerous buyers machine. I don't know if it is going to be possible to say that 100% of Customer A's money went to JJP. JJP have said they are not sending any machines out until they have received legal advice. Maybe at best, the WOZ buyers may receive some sort of partial refund and then jump in line to get whatever they can out of the receivers.
I really really hope that things turn out better than this for all the guys that showed faith in the distributor and JJP. I also hope that those responsible i.e. Bumper management are held accountable as well and are ultimately prosecuted in any way, shape or form possible. Let's not forget the impact this has or is going to have on current or previous staff at Bumper as well. I feel sorry for them as well.
Once again let me stress. These are simply my thoughts on the matter.
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hasn't' everything stalled on this forum? Maybe everyone is just nicer here than the others (yes there are others, but don't look, nasty stuff going on).
No LE WOZ coming to Australia of course if you ordered through you a distributor. That's a fact.
There's a lot of speculation and innuendo floating around the pinball rumor mongers. I guess the facts are only known to the GM of the Former Australian distributor and the GM of JJP. Until either steps forward with the facts, or the pre order customers demand answers from either party via legal means, I think the rumors will continue. That's my opinion.
I hope that ALL customers who paid for the games in good faith have their game delivered or a full refund. It certainly is a giant mess, and I'm sure both parties will be aware of the massive damage to their reputations (what's left, anyway)..
There's a good post from MartyJ somewhere on an intro post that covers what steps should be taken if you are a pre order customer.
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I feel truly sick in the stomach every time I think about this issue, for all those people who have paid deposits / in full for machines through the previous distributor.
Again, nothing is confirmed (either way) but I will post my advice again for all of those effected:
Firstly I would strongly recommend documenting / keeping any correspondence with the current director(s) of the previous Australian Distributor as to what is happening with YOUR particular order.
I would also collate all your invoices paid, receipts, which accounts monies paid into etc. Also keep ALL original emails (I.P addresses may come into play down the track. A forwarded copy will not suffice).
A solicitors letter may be worth the expense sent via registered mail to the previous Australian Distributor (ie the people on the invoice / whom you paid). In the letter, I would be seeking such things as:
- confirmation of dates of deposit paid
- confirmation of followup payments for machine
- copy of full invoice of your payment (inc Company name with ACN)
- any written information about 'Trust Fund' where monies paid into (also referred to as a Customer Contract)
- full details of account information monies paid into - inc account name, bank, branch etc
- confirmation of delivery E.T.A of your particular machine (at time of payment)
- current status of YOUR order (as your payment in full should be allocated to an exact machine serial number or LE number etc
- current position of your payment (ie either in the Trust Account / Distributor Account / JJP)
- details / confirmation of DIRECTORS, Managers and financial controllers at time of payment for your machine
- refund if applicable under Victorian Consumer Law
Always best to have these things in writing and ensure in the solicitors letter directs a written response within 7 days.
Unfortunately the internet is not the best source of information and certainly you have a lot of money at stake.
I'll add the information about what YOUR allocated machine number / serial number is / will become quite important (given at the time when you paid).
Those effected may be contacted by other Australian victims, whom are collating as much information as possible (like the above) in order to seek formal advice and progress the matter through the necessary channels.
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Sorry for all the guys out on a limb wondering whether they will see their pin. I know that everyone who plays mine is very happy with it. Very addictive, I have 3 Sterns next to it at my house: X-Men Wolverine, Rolling Stones LE, & The Avengers Pro. The WOZ gets 95% of the play, draws a huge demographic for play. Like I have said my non playing wife is now putting hours on this pin, & her 72 year old father plays it when he is in town.
Here is a local news story I just did, it goes out in print form also to 300k people with home flyer delivery:
http://www.halifaxnewsnet.ca/Sports/2013-09-03/article-3372988/Pinball-wizard-believes-machines-on-the-verge-of-comeback/1
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Basically the Aussie buyers have been shafted to the max, their are so many twist & turns in this saga that will make you sick in the stomach. facts are 29 pins are paid in full, 5 have less than a 1k owing, the remainder have left deposits between 1250-5000k, f'nk bull shit no one is taking responsibility, when money is involved everyone runs & hides,
bumper has been dumped, the new distributor is Mr Pinball, JJP & Wayne will announce this sooner or later, i could have added way more of what WG will be doing, but i will leave it to him to explain this in hes own words, i could easily add more about bumper mk 1 2 & 3 & jjp but i am still hopeful something good may come out of this when the dust settles,
anyway i guess I'm lucky i didn't fork out the full amount, but i feel gutted for the other guys & there family's going through this mess, this is meant to be a hobby & having fun, its a f'kn nightmare,
luke
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There's no point beating about the bush on this.. the money has been stolen.. quite bloody simple.
We are told that JJP never got all the funds.. only $150K.. so what?
JJP appointed Bumper as official representatives.. the idea here was so JJP could send 1 container to an appointed distributor who would then distribute for them.. saves JJP a lot of hassle. Its all set in concrete.. Bumper go to JJP and get "trained".. Bumper get given a demo version to continue to sell for JJP.
JJP publically appoint Bumper as official distributor.. they even steer potential clients towards Bumper.... Bumper are now ( in the case of WOZ, JJP employees).
Whether Bumper stole the money or Jack is a lying bastard is no longer relevant.. buck stops with Jack.. his distributor.. his decision to make clients go through them.. his " official" representative.
JJP are talking to lawyers.. Bumper liquidate and restart.. BOTH parties are trying to wriggle out of this which means the funds just go "missing".
Its just staggering at how badly this has ended up.. were it my money, id be sorting this out in a more personal way at the doors of Bumper with a length of timber...
.. I REALLY feel for the guys that have put faith in these scum bags.. I just hope that in some way, it all gets sorted for you.
I cant see WG getting the distribution for JJP... with his track record you have to be joking.. even WMS couldn't wait to get the rights out of his hands.. guy is a PR disaster.. itll be hard enough for JJP to sell a pin here now.. add WG to the mix and the shit just gets thicker
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Well said,maybe we all need to get together and go visit Bumper and tell them what we think. ^.^
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Did you buy yours directly from JJP?.
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Did you buy yours directly from JJP?.
me? no bumper
Well Gav, deal has already been done, how long ago? only they know,
only good thing to happen so far, I've lost 3 kgs now & my jeans fit Ace,
no more comment from me here,
Best of Luck to All involved,
luke
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Wayne - MR PINBALL AUSTRALIA IS BRINGING IN 250 x AUS LE WOZ's
https://www.facebook.com/MrPinballAustralia
a shame that can't work out something with the guys having dramas through Bumper
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be nice if one of them was mine ^.^
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Wayne - MR PINBALL AUSTRALIA IS BRINGING IN 250 x AUS LE WOZ's
https://www.facebook.com/MrPinballAustralia
a shame that can't work out something with the guys having dramas through Bumper
Are there any differences from the USA ones?
Peter
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Be nice if jack delivered all the other le that were ordered direct with him before he supplies the first batch to Wayne.Makes it very hard to send ANY money for the hobbit when i been waiting a few years now for my le.Hoping around maybe Jan -Feb but i no it going to leave a sour taste me my mouth when i do get to play one.
I think all of Australia, as whole got shafted.
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So even people who ordered direct dant have there games yet? WTF now I'm really confused
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I ordered direct and have mine.
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I ordered direct and have mine.
Hi Chris
Didn't you order two of them,still waiting on mine hopefully end of Jan.Need to talk to you about your shipping method as when mine are ready i don't really want to put them on a boat for 6-8 weeks,maybe air freight them in as the wait is killing me.
cheers
Craig
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i don't really want to put them on a boat for 6-8 weeks.....
Good idea.
Mr rAbbot will turn the boats back.
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i don't really want to put them on a boat for 6-8 weeks.....
Good idea.
Mr rAbbot will turn the boats back.
*)* we will soon see how good he is at doing that
God help us, who voted for the boob? @.@
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I ordered direct and have mine.
Hi Chris
Didn't you order two of them,still waiting on mine hopefully end of Jan.Need to talk to you about your shipping method as when mine are ready i don't really want to put them on a boat for 6-8 weeks,maybe air freight them in as the wait is killing me.
cheers
Craig
Yes Craig I had 2 but sold one off a while back.
As soon as you are ready to ship contact me as I have a great set up for Air. Nice easy routine.
Chris
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I ordered direct and have mine.
Hi Chris
Didn't you order two of them,still waiting on mine hopefully end of Jan.Need to talk to you about your shipping method as when mine are ready i don't really want to put them on a boat for 6-8 weeks,maybe air freight them in as the wait is killing me.
cheers
Craig
Yes Craig I had 2 but sold one off a while back.
As soon as you are ready to ship contact me as I have a great set up for Air. Nice easy routine.
Chris
Thanks Chris
Will let you no when it going to happen but i am still a bit down the list.
cheers
Craig
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WOZLE will be sited in Newcastle as of this weekend as well as a Star Trek (stern)
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Everyone in Newy can dust off the ruby slippers!
#@#
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Yep all in one place a WOZLE and a new Stern Star Trek #*# #*# #*#
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Yep all in one place a WOZLE and a new Stern Star Trek #*# #*# #*#
If I was excited I would be doing #*# too but it's only pinball!
:tumble:
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Yep all in one place a WOZLE and a new Stern Star Trek #*# #*# #*#
Great, if it has the new code (1.21), please take some video if you can.
Thanks.
Anyone know if any of these have been sited in Melbourne yet?
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Video of new code (1.21) here:
http://www.pinplay.com/13/a_little_bit_of_woz_v121_gameplay.html (http://www.pinplay.com/13/a_little_bit_of_woz_v121_gameplay.html)
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Played it - I fail to see what all of the hero worship is about?
Can't see the ball on the playfield in the pub location where I played it - other issues as well. Monitor is distracting to a player, probably OK for observers.
Light show is impressive but it doesn't add to the gameplay.....
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It is a big thing in the USA they absolutely love it...
When I was in the USA with Wotto I was not game to say anything against it .....
Thank GOD Wotto broke it ..... %.%
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Hi All,
Here's another really well-made video of the latest software revision (1.21). This is done by the same guy who made the one I posted yesterday, I believe his name is Daniel. This new video has really clear audio because he took it directly from the game’s line level output. He also uses two different cameras to show the game from different angles which is cool.
For those who missed the earlier video here it is embedded:
Daniel has a blog at pinplay.com and is putting out some nice information and videos about some of the newer games. He has provided a lot of information about how to fine-tune various features of the WOZ machine.
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Just throwing out there a hypothetical. Does anyone know if there is much in the way of spare parts and whether there are suppliers stocking such parts if jjp say disappear from the scene? Or are most parts b/w style parts. I for one would be looking at stocking some parts just in case supply is uncertain. Be interested to hear opinions
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Just throwing out there a hypothetical. Does anyone know if there is much in the way of spare parts and whether there are suppliers stocking such parts if jjp say disappear from the scene? Or are most parts b/w style parts. I for one would be looking at stocking some parts just in case supply is uncertain. Be interested to hear opinions
Good question
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I'm told they use WMS assemblies/coils and pretty standard PC 'stuff' such as mainboard, monitor, power supply etc.
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Is the LCD screen susceptible to burn in? When I first saw the machine I wondered this as I have replaced a few LCD TVs in clubs and pubs that have had keno on them for how knows how long and are pretty badly burnt in.
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Is the LCD screen susceptible to burn in? When I first saw the machine I wondered this as I have replaced a few LCD TVs in clubs and pubs that have had keno on them for how knows how long and are pretty badly burnt in.
LCD screens aren't exactly subject to "burn-in" like CRT or plasma (the result of uneven phosphor wear), so much as they are "image retention", which is when the crystals become polarized after displaying the same image for so long and can't "relax" back to their normal state, resulting in a ghost image. But unlike phosphor burn-in, image retention is almost always reversible over time simply by changing the image (displaying a black screen for prolonged periods is typically recommended).
With that said, I don't see how image retention will be a problem on WOZ, as there are no interface elements kept on the screen at all times - full-screen videos play during gameplay, and attract mode is always changing what's being shown.
Just throwing out there a hypothetical. Does anyone know if there is much in the way of spare parts and whether there are suppliers stocking such parts if jjp say disappear from the scene? Or are most parts b/w style parts. I for one would be looking at stocking some parts just in case supply is uncertain. Be interested to hear opinions
If JJP were to go belly up tomorrow and never produce another part again, I think the only items that would be of real concern are the driver board and the lighting boards. Most pinball-y parts are Bally/Williams or modified versions, the PC parts will be simple to buy for quite a few years, and custom plastics and metal assemblies can always have runs sourced. As much as I have disagreed with Homepin's stance on PCs in the past, I do think someone like him with circuit board replication/design experience could easily replicate the driver/lighting boards if eventually necessary.
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LCD screens aren't exactly subject to "burn-in" like CRT or plasma (the result of uneven phosphor wear), so much as they are "image retention", which is when the crystals become polarized after displaying the same image for so long and can't "relax" back to their normal state, resulting in a ghost image. But unlike phosphor burn-in, image retention is almost always reversible over time simply by changing the image (displaying a black screen for prolonged periods is typically recommended).
Thanks, Great explanation! ^^^ I haven't seen the screen in attract mode but hopefully there is enough movement across the hole screen to avoid retention. I guess time will tell. Didn't know that a black image could improve this. I will have to try it sometime.
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I went into town this afternoon to try out the sited WOZ LE and first impression looking at it was wow - looks smart, but within a minute of playing it, the inserts are just so dam bright and the GI is almost non existent so in a dull lit area I personally was not wowed by the machine. Funny thing was I put in $2 for one game and there was still 2 credits up from someone else - whether that be from people not knowing there was a credit or people expecting to play a few games but walked away ?????
The quality looked amazing and the cabinet finish is incredible - felt like a matt finish cleared playfield - just beautiful but the playfield just goes into random funky / hippie colour patterns of lights that it just is a bit over the top. I did enjoy one mod which was "lights off" mode which everything went off apart from a few targets flashing to be hit = was calming to the eyes.....
Overall was much more attracted to the new Star Trek Pro next to it.... but if only JJP could improve the GI and keep the colour of the inserts for a mode and not go crazy then it would not be so contrast as the playfield is almost black and then a hundred inserts blinking at you OR have the lights on and the games lighting would not be as much of an issue.
Also I don't think the LE comes with mirror blades but this one had them which actually looked like Bally / WMS ones with a slightly modified elongated hinge hole.
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I've read there's a GI mod available to light up the PF, thanks for review swinks :-)
Peter
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I agree with Swinks - my experience was very much the same as his.
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I've read there's a GI mod available to light up the PF, thanks for review swinks :-)
Peter
you would hope all machines coming off the production line now have the upgrade in it as standard and then a retro kit for the owners out there
I am amazed it got this far and was not improved, maybe it was a case of hypnotised eyes with all the flashing hippie leds. Don't get me wrong, build quality looked incredible and beautiful looking machine just a bit too busy with lights but if anything it is forcing Stern to go led's and colour changing for modes etc, but Stern are now chasing JJP's price tag which will only affect their sales and changes the whole market place.
fix the GI and this could be better as well as a program update and it can just get better again.
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Video of new code (1.22) for those interested:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/-lc0QYaLuXE?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/-lc0QYaLuXE?autoplay=1&rel=0)
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what do think of the GI looks pretty dark, seems to be a common complaint, Are you meant to be able to play pins in the dark anyway, when i had 6 pins going i only could play 3 of them in the dark !@#
Regular updates of the code is a good thing tho.
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what do think of the GI looks pretty dark, seems to be a common complaint, Are you meant to be able to play pins in the dark anyway, when i had 6 pins going i only could play 3 of them in the dark !@#
Regular updates of the code is a good thing tho.
the pin is bright but due to the lack of GI all you tend to see is blazing insert lighting and alot of the playfield appears to be dark due to the contrast - just not pleasant playing in a low lit place
turn your game room lights on - different story.
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Another nice 1.22 video here from Daniel Tonks at Pinplay (www.pinplay.com), he provided the following comment with the video:
So, Jersey Jack Pinball’s got this snazzy new v1.22 software for The Wizard of Oz with tons of new stuff, and do you think I can record a decent game to save my life? Nope! The one really good game I had was spoiled by a freaky stuck ball in an impossible place that required removing the glass to get to! Agghhh!
I’m not done trying yet, but I thought I’d post the best of the worst for this morning. Which is indeed pretty bad, so don't take it out on the game! However, in this particular game I did manage to get all the way through There’s No Place Like Home for the first time ever, and there’s a match at the end of the game, so that’s something – but if you’re looking for new modes, they simply aren’t here. Well, I do start Weak Flippers... but there’s nothing much to see with that! Mostly you’ll be able to check out the changes made to regular gameplay, such as hurry-ups, Glinda, new audio, and new lightshows.
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And another of 1.22 by Daniel Tonks at Pinplay, lots of modes to see here (including reversed-flipper mode):
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I notice that there will be an anniversary edition of woz with more toys and red trim
Only $9000
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Beginning of November, 40 years ago "The Exorcist" was released and IMO still remains the scariest film ever made.
A much more worthy anniversary and a much better pinball title than WOZ.
I will laugh my tits off the day my pinball tells me " Your mother sucks c*cks in hell"... oh please.. someone do it!
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Beginning of November, 40 years ago "The Exorcist" was released and IMO still remains the scariest film ever made.
A much more worthy anniversary and a much better pinball title than WOZ.
I will laugh my tits off the day my pinball tells me " Your mother sucks c*cks in hell"... oh please.. someone do it!
Scariest film ever made.....dunno about that but it is a great film for sure. A timeless classic.
Not a pinball theme I would be interested in though.
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Beginning of November, 40 years ago "The Exorcist" was released and IMO still remains the scariest film ever made.
A much more worthy anniversary and a much better pinball title than WOZ.
I will laugh my tits off the day my pinball tells me " Your mother sucks c*cks in hell"... oh please.. someone do it!
+1 Brilliant film. Caused widespread panic on it's opening nights because punters thought is was based on real events. "Scariest film of all time" - that deserves its own thread !
If JJP wanted this license then the game could be released to coincide with the 50th Anniversary of the film (((
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Beginning of November, 40 years ago "The Exorcist" was released and IMO still remains the scariest film ever made.
A much more worthy anniversary and a much better pinball title than WOZ.
I will laugh my tits off the day my pinball tells me " Your mother sucks c*cks in hell"... oh please.. someone do it!
Beginning in November, 40 years ago, AC/DC were unleashed around Sydney pubs. 1973 was a devilishly good year.
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+1 Brilliant film. Caused widespread panic on it's opening nights because punters thought is was based on real events.
Scarred the crap out of me as a kid - was actually inspired by real events - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism_of_Roland_Doe
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Beginning of November, 40 years ago "The Exorcist" was released and IMO still remains the scariest film ever made.
A much more worthy anniversary and a much better pinball title than WOZ.
I will laugh my tits off the day my pinball tells me " Your mother sucks c*cks in hell"... oh please.. someone do it!
Two thumbs up for this post. Now I need to start a pinball company and make this a reality.
%.%
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Jeeeez nino if your spacie scared the kids i think therapy is a given if you came home with a game like that
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Jeeeez nino if your spacie scared the kids i think therapy is a given if you came home with a game like that
There's no way a horror themed game would be allowed in the gamesroom. Not while the kids are young - but my eldest told us this week that Santa does not exist (9 year old).
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Jeeeez nino if your spacie scared the kids i think therapy is a given if you came home with a game like that
There's no way a horror themed game would be allowed in the gamesroom. Not while the kids are young - but my eldest told us this week that Santa does not exist (9 year old).
Not long now niño.
My son went out today for a slurped found out he was meeting a girl man I'm getting old
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Jeeeez nino if your spacie scared the kids i think therapy is a given if you came home with a game like that
There's no way a horror themed game would be allowed in the gamesroom. Not while the kids are young - but my eldest told us this week that Santa does not exist (9 year old).
Not long now niño.
My son went out today for a slurped found out he was meeting a girl man I'm getting old
hey Daniel, that auto correction makes interesting reading.
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Jeeeez nino if your spacie scared the kids i think therapy is a given if you came home with a game like that
There's no way a horror themed game would be allowed in the gamesroom. Not while the kids are young - but my eldest told us this week that Santa does not exist (9 year old).
Not long now niño.
My son went out today for a slurped found out he was meeting a girl man I'm getting old
hey Daniel, that auto correction makes interesting reading.
I've occasionally come home slurped myself. :lol
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Nothing wrong with a coke slurpy down at Macas, is there?
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Bit worried about the "girl man" (with no comma %.% ), but this IS the WOZ thread, so anything goes I guess %.% %.%
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Maybe he meant Gill man and there was a CFTBL there?
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New code (1.24) came out this week, here's a really nice video by Pinside member Troz showing some nice flipper skills and the new 'Battle the Witch' mode:
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Is it me cause in that video the ball looks slow and just bobs up and down with no real purpose it even just sat on the top of the flipper and needed to be nudged to move it?
Peter
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Just hearing that music ^&^
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Great video. Now where can I play one on site...
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Great video. Now where can I play one on site...
Yeah, I'd like to know this as well. I think the first person to site one of these in Melbourne will do very well indeed.
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Great video. Now where can I play one on site...
Yeah, I'd like to know this as well. I think the first person to site one of these in Melbourne will do very well indeed.
Well the Australian agent for these is in Melboure - why not ask him?
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Not to site but we have an AULEWOZ in storage :(
And yes in Melbourne.
I know we are slack.
Wayne did say a few have been delivered around Melbourne but not sure to whom.
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Well the Australian agent for these is in Melboure - why not ask him?
Yes, I have asked Wayne about this but unfortunately he didn't think any from the first batch he has received would be sited and the next batch is several months away. One can still hope.
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Here is a gameplay video of a WOZ running the new code (2.0) by pinsider Troz. Apparently this guy is quite highly-ranked on the PAPA circuit and he plays a monster game here. This is a good opportunity to see a lot of the features of the game. He says of the video:
"I just posted a 2.0 gameplay video to YouTube. End result is 1.85+ million points, 36 minutes long. Not quite enough to reach SOTR. Think I still needed the Mega Jackpot during Rescue and to get Haunted Multiball. Definitely achievable.
SPOILER WARNING: The witch is liquidated once in this video, second attempt I believe.
Enjoy!"
(SOTR stands for Somewhere Over The Rainbow and is the game's wizard mode.)
http://www.youtube.com/embed/RoQn5h0nw1g?autoplay=1&rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/RoQn5h0nw1g?autoplay=1&rel=0)
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anyone know how many people have or haven't got their WOZ machine ? yet .................
I know some people have them (not sure who they bought from) but whats the overall Melb thing doing ?????
Anyone spoken to Jack of late, got any interesting news from JJP directly ??? !@# !@# !@# !@# !@# !@#
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Apparently Jack has a problem shipping large orders to Australia, again. Same fish, different puddle.
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Any AP members want to do a game review on their own WOZ machine for everybody ? !@#
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Wow that's a big improvement on the game when I last saw it nearly a year ago. Looks crazy fun. Seems a bit dark on the pf in some places?
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
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I think someone dropped a house on this thread.
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I think someone dropped a house on this thread.
If the game had been shipped as it was meant to be then this thread may have gone a different way... instead it fizzled out to nothing as all momentum was lost. Noone really cares anymore apart from those still waiting.. and those that are in the hands of buyers.. well, there are board issues aren't there?
HOBBIT due in a few months but the headache of WOZ still continues. Jack lost a lot of face and JJP has a long way to go to instil confidence into the product IMO
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
If I had gone ahead and not canceled my machine I would not be posting about it anyway
a lot of people lost money, I would not want to rub salt into their wound
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
Hi Brett , I haven't open my WOZ yet but will soon ,I'll keep you posted .
In the meanwhile the box is brown and square and taller then me :lol and about 3 times heavier then me .
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
Hi Brett , I haven't open my WOZ yet but will soon ,I'll keep you posted .
In the meanwhile the box is brown and square and taller then me :lol and about 3 times heavier then me .
LOL-- a real life update!
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
If I had gone ahead and not canceled my machine I would not be posting about it anyway
a lot of people lost money, I would not want to rub salt into their wound
that whole issue, which has been so far only reported via third hand information is of no interest to me. Don't get me wrong, if someone lost a cent it matters, but no real facts are being reported anywhere, just third hand info.
I have not seen any factual info from anyone or anywhere regarding that situation
Accordingly, until facts are supplied by a court, or reprted as fact by JJP, the Melbourne thing is still in my belief, an alledged situation, cause no one really knows the facts until paperwork is provided by the seller or by the JJP agaent, or JJP himself.
If someone bought their Wizard of OZ thru another means, different to the Melb agent, they should be able to feel free to report on the machine, their likes n dislikes, put up photos or videos etc etc.
I will write Jack a letter and ask him for a reply that I can post on the forum about the rumours concerning the Melb agent.
I am glad Tony (ANT) has his machine and is going to give some information soon. That's why this thread exists, so we can all see different views by all members, both good and bad. But we all have to be careful until all the facts are revealed and I for one, only trust court documents showing the reality, versus conjecture. Its hard to know what the facts are at this stage.
Does anyone have anything in writing from the melb JJP agent or JJP regarding the delivery of machines. We need to see facts in writing from a very reliable scource. Hence I trust court documents the most in times like this.
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
Hi Brett , I haven't open my WOZ yet but will soon ,I'll keep you posted .
In the meanwhile the box is brown and square and taller then me :lol and about 3 times heavier then me .
Thanks Tony(ANT).
Any picture(s) would be great. Did you only buy the one, and I hear some aussies have ordered the 75th Anniversary crimson model which I think looks great.
Hey, drove past your business the other day, gee its HUGE. Looks bigger n better everytime I see it. Gl;ad to see u doing really well.
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that whole issue, which has been so far only reported via third hand information is of no interest to me. Don't get me wrong, if someone lost a cent it matters, but no real facts are being reported anywhere, just third hand info.
I have not seen any factual info from anyone or anywhere regarding that situation
Accordingly, until facts are supplied by a court, or reprted as fact by JJP, the Melbourne thing is still in my belief, an alledged situation, cause no one really knows the facts until paperwork is provided by the seller or by the JJP agaent, or JJP himself.
If someone bought their Wizard of OZ thru another means, different to the Melb agent, they should be able to feel free to report on the machine, their likes n dislikes, put up photos or videos etc etc.
I will write Jack a letter and ask him for a reply that I can post on the forum about the rumours concerning the Melb agent.
I am glad Tony (ANT) has his machine and is going to give some information soon. That's why this thread exists, so we can all see different views by all members, both good and bad. But we all have to be careful until all the facts are revealed and I for one, only trust court documents showing the reality, versus conjecture. Its hard to know what the facts are at this stage.
Does anyone have anything in writing from the melb JJP agent or JJP regarding the delivery of machines. We need to see facts in writing from a very reliable scource. Hence I trust court documents the most in times like this.
and I put you back on 'ignore'
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don't take your crap out on me
u want t blame me for the melb thing...get real.
I will ignore you as well since u want to act like a !!!
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He didn't see it..
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UPDATE
I had 3 separate people email me last night about their experience with ""losing"" their $$$ on a WOZ from the Melb Agent.
The same reasoning for not reporting directly to the public what has happened to their money was evident. People are hoping that at the last minute, something will come good from the JJP agent or JJP themselves, and people think by going public and telling their story publically, like on this forum, it might HURT their chances of receiving a machine.
I personally think that if a machine has been paid for, and is well overdue, I would be yelling the roof off the JJP headquarters, and the melb scumbag who hasn't delivered.
I am hoping someone comes forward and tells everyone exactly the bullshit they have gone thru.
The first question I would like to know, has anyone been to the police and reported the person who took their money originally to the police and so on.
I respectfully believe staying silent will not get anyone anywhere. I think If someone stole my money, I would be very very loud everywhere.
Surely someone who has been ripped off has written a legal letter to Jack at JJP. Surely someone has a official JJP response.
I encourage people to come forward.
I appreciate people have told me personally of their plight, but I say make it all public, asap.
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This thread is as dead as a grave yard, when it should be alive and buzzing. Photos n videos, just nothing....
ANYONE got anything to report back ? !@# !@# !@#
Hi Brett , I haven't open my WOZ yet but will soon ,I'll keep you posted .
In the meanwhile the box is brown and square and taller then me :lol and about 3 times heavier then me .
Thanks Tony(ANT).
Any picture(s) would be great. Did you only buy the one, and I hear some aussies have ordered the 75th Anniversary crimson model which I think looks great.
Hey, drove past your business the other day, gee its HUGE. Looks bigger n better everytime I see it. Gl;ad to see u doing really well.
Pop in ,I'll show you some oh my Wedgeheads .
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Regarding the ongoing legal process - We need to be mindful that some sensitive info posted within this thread MAY affect the process. It HAS had ramifications on another (not Aussie) forum where the mods allowed alleged representatives to post rumors and alleged misconduct.
We do not want the Australian Customers class action to be compromised in any way. We know of several customers affected and they are aware of the consequences of posting information.
If anyone wants to research the current status of the claims or legal process, please contact the Current Australian Distributor. From memory, Oscar from Pinball Memories is the face of the Class Action. He has chosen to keep the process private. He has his reasons. Any customers affected by this issue are updated in private.
Jack himself has been invited to update the status on this forum. He chose not to, and we respect his decision. This has not changed. We do not want any quotes or emails posted on this forum.
In conclusion, there IS a legal process, there will be an outcome. We do not want this thread to provide ANY information that may affect the outcome, and in turn possibly affect any positive that may benefit the affected.
Once this process has completed, we are more than happy for an official statement to be posted ^^^
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Jack himself has been invited to update the status on this forum. He chose not to, and we respect his decision. This has not changed. We do not want any quotes or emails posted on this forum.
Spot on Strangeways. The thing members need to take from this is to *respect the decisions of the people actually involved in what they wish to share or post*.
If a member who has been affected themselves wish to comment, or if JPP wishes to comment, or the organisers of the action group wish to make an official comment, that would be welcome. Speculating on this just opens wounds for people and is unnecessary other than "train wreck mentality" of people wanting to know things that are not their business.
We have previously asked members not to speculate on this matter. It is disappointing that this request has been forgotten. While we are happy for people directly affected to post facts if they wish, we are not wanting the issue raised by members who are not directly involved please.
Our wish to not have this issue raised by people not directly affected or involved is not open to debate.
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Anyway, I hope all works out well. AND thankyou for the people who did email me and tell me exactly what they feel is going on. Thakyou ^^^