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Aussie Pinball Forums => Pinball Mods => Bally / Williams => Topic started by: swinks on April 14, 2012, 02:10:52 PM
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Here is a new product just in the proto-type stage where Laseriffic laser etch / engrave into some acrylic and then it is placed where the hologram would go (I think) and then edge lit.
It's a option that is better than no hologram.
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That’s not bad. Better than the green blobby that is the current replacement
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That is a great option and shouldn't cost the earth ^^^
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Looks very promising!! ^^^
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Looks really good ^^^
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look like a good option
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unfortunately this has been canned at this stage due to license issues.
But good news is that Rick at Planetary Pinball will be soon producing various Creature items (hoping the hologram is part of the plans) as well as Monster Bash items.
So expect to see some new items hit the market - not sure if this will push the value up on these machines.
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Licencing issues... what a joke.
Its a piece of laser cut acylic that is edge lit... were i to send a file to a member with a laser cutter we could knock these out all day long.
Creature would look slightly different so its not a true representation of the original
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Licencing issues... what a joke.
Its a piece of laser cut acylic that is edge lit... were i to send a file to a member with a laser cutter we could knock these out all day long.
Creature would look slightly different so its not a true representation of the original
Laseriffic got cold feet, even though there was huge interest, he made enquiries and then removed all photos of his creation, probably what is here is the few still in circulation - if I could artistically draw I would follow this up.
If you made them I would buy one off you in a heat beat as sure a few others would, bugger paying $300-400 for a holo where the laser etched one looks cool.
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That etched one looks way better than the original. ^^^
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What's a CFTBL worth these days? the new hologram does look sweet.
Peter
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What's a CFTBL worth these days? the new hologram does look sweet.
Peter
Should be able to get a great one for 3K.
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I have a large laser machine and also access to any LEDs you might need - I also don't give A TOSS about the licensing as I am of the belief that ANY and EVERY owner has the RIGHT to repair/maintain his/her machine....
Send the file and it shall be done!
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Game on....
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I'll buy one just as a piece of atwork they look that good.
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count me in for one ^^^
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What's a CFTBL worth these days? the new hologram does look sweet.
Peter
Should be able to get a great one for 3K.
Wow 3k I better start looking.
Peter
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This is the best pic i can find of the creature thats in the pinball..
..Whats the consensus?? Happy with this or go with a different image??
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Creatureblacklagoon.jpg)
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I *WILL* be doing this - I have the resourses - the time - and the will!
Copyright owners need to understand that they can't prevent people from repairing their machines.....
What if Ford (the car manufacturer) said that nobody could make a replacement windscreen wiper blade for a 2010 Falcon? They would be picketed and shamed into oblivion!
The owners of this "image" can BUGGER OFF! If they don't want to make it and sell it at a sensible price (and it seems they don't) then someone will!
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Ive got to draw it up yet.. lot of detail there, plus the hands are not clear so ill be adlibbing on those based on some other pics i have of the creature. Image wont be true to hologram original due to these factors.. its just an image of a creature that will be acceptable to pinball owners that have this piece missing... far out there are hundreds of images out there and many variations on the creature..
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I *WILL* be doing this - I have the resourses - the time - and the will!
Copyright owners need to understand that they can't prevent people from repairing their machines.....
What if Ford (the car manufacturer) said that nobody could make a replacement windscreen wiper blade for a 2010 Falcon? They would be picketed and shamed into oblivion!
The owners of this "image" can BUGGER OFF! If they don't want to make it and sell it at a sensible price (and it seems they don't) then someone will!
this is my thought on this sort of thing also. ford has stated that having aftermarket parts sells cars. and if people want genuine ford parts they will buy genuine
also i was thinking about this the other day, have you seen those 3d cameras? i saw at jbhifi the 3d print from a 3d camera, and is is just holo what if you just used a 3d camera on a toy and got them to print the 3d image recon that would work? if you were to experiment and place the toy at the right angle and take verious photos you could get the same look, and go to those 3d print places at jb and print them out for a few dollars each i recon you could easily get the same effect if not better than original
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I have emailed Laserrific - let's see what they say.........
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I have emailed Laserrific - let's see what they say.........
I asked them for thier file and said I would sell it from my China site - let's see what the response is.....if any?
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plus this with the toy at the correct angle to get the same look
the print from fujifilm is a holo
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Looks like a woman toy. &&
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I think it's been the movie studio that was the hold up (Universal I think) with granting licence to the Williams rights holder to reproduce. I wonder if its Universal making threats, or the Williams rights holder threatening they and the studio will take action? Probably enough to scare off a little guy I suppose.
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heres a demo &hd=1&
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I think it's been the movie studio that was the hold up (Universal I think) with granting licence to the Williams rights holder to reproduce. I wonder if its Universal making threats, or the Williams rights holder threatening they and the studio will take action? Probably enough to scare off a little guy I suppose.
I don't give a toss - like I said, I believe that an owners right is BIGGER than all of these 'tryhards' rights.
Let's see how they like selling it from China on an untouchable website - I'm happy to pay any 'reasonable' royalty but I will shift the ball into MY court and using MY timeframe....
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heres a demo &hd=1&
Interesting link, thanks and I have one of those creature figures as well., let me know if I can help.
I think laseriffic was more worried about universal.
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could you imagine them contacting interpol to drag you to the states for copying a hologram lol ahahaha, not going to happen.
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heres a demo &hd=1&
Interesting link, thanks and I have one of those creature figures as well., let me know if I can help.
I think laseriffic was more worried about universal.
according to the interwebs and that link you can do it with a regular camera, i have seen 3d prints first hand and they are just holo's. if you had a tripod and experimented or had a 3d camera which are available anywhere now. you could recreate that easy i recon. just would need to print a few off till you got it just right and when you find one that is correct you could just keep using that file to print more off the same. would be trial and error. put the file some where for free and f-ck the licencencing police, they have bigger fish to fry they cant stop video piracy they wont have hope with some one handing out free holo files, plus your not selling them so who cares i say, shit ill rent a webhost and host the file for free download if some one created it. id do it but i dont have this machine so i dont have a holo to compare too.
i would think with a black background and the correct angle of the toy and camera, you could get the same 3d effect of the original and then get one of these print shops to print it out for a few dollars
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could you imagine them contacting interpol to drag you to the states for copying a hologram lol ahahaha, not going to happen.
The whole point is to make it so hard that they have to come out from behind their 'hidyholes' and then actually talk about COMMON SENSE!
These days the lawyers have it too far in their favour so time to turn the tables a bit by brute force - methinks!
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could you imagine them contacting interpol to drag you to the states for copying a hologram lol ahahaha, not going to happen.
The whole point is to make it so hard that they have to come out from behind their 'hidyholes' and then actually talk about COMMON SENSE!
These days the lawyers have it too far in their favour so time to turn the tables a bit by brute force - methinks!
since i have entered this hobby and coming from the car hobby prior, having every part imaginable reproduced i was shocked at the bs with copyrights stopping things being done in reproducing parts. it holds back the hobby and it would be fair enough if some one was making this stuff already and selling it to say thats not on to copy it, however many of these things arent being reproduced, and the amount of sales from this stuff isnt going to be making any one rich from doing it. its not like some guy pirating 50000000000000 copy's of a movie and selling them. the worst that will happen is some prick will send you a nasty letter saying stop making it. i have reproduced entire car body's from fibreglass and not once did i have ford or some guy say dont do that i will sue you. its all bs and bluff. as you are china im sure you have seen some crazy things being reproduced some will hurt the industry and some will help the industry that the repro is being made for.
in this case i strongly beleive it wil lhelp this hobby, and the more you ignore these stupid letters from some knob who says he has the rights to reproduce but isnt reporducing the stronger this hobby will get by having parts available. my background is plasics and composites and i have seen plastic ramps that people are paying stupid money for nos on ebay that could be reproduced by any one at home easy. if i didnt have a buisness that takes a tonne of my time up and had more time i would be wacking out a tonne of repro ramps and stuff for the hobby, i might do it it yet who knows.
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Well I receved a pretty speedy response from Laserific:
"Rick from Planetary Pinball now owns the license to the Universal Monsters and he said he is going to reproduce the hologram. Joe"
So at least we now know the reasoning behind the descision to stop making them......
I suggest he gets his finger out and actually MAKES them - unlike the previous "letter writing" copyright owner.
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"Rick from Planetary Pinball now owns the license to the Universal Monsters and he said he is going to reproduce the hologram. Joe"
Be interesting to see if he actually reproduces these given the issues Gene had, although I guess he can use a modern process for similar results?
So Mike, does this mean you aren't going to go ahead?
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"Rick from Planetary Pinball now owns the license to the Universal Monsters and he said he is going to reproduce the hologram. Joe"
Be interesting to see if he actually reproduces these given the issues Gene had, although I guess he can use a modern process for similar results?
So Mike, does this mean you aren't going to go ahead?
I didn't say that &&
I will progress things but not having a machine (or an original holo - even a stuffed one) will slow things a little.
I like the idea of a LED illuminated laser etched/engraved one as it won't have the ageing issues of the original and technology has moved on a long way from the days when the original was made. I think we can do better using modern methods.