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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Crashramp on January 26, 2013, 01:48:52 PM
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Quick interview with Gary, I was surprised to hear Him say that almost all games increase in value over time! Anyway it was interesting to see the home pin in action. It looks more solid than I thought it would but still not for me I'm afraid.
Anyone familiar with the LE or Pro versions of this game? How does the game play look in comparison?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1HXIT8ZnKI
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Is there such a term as "reverse innovation" ? It is horribly made toy. Do Stern think people are that stupid to buy one of these over a reconditioned Fiishtales or similar !@#
Sorry for being negative, but I think Stern should be spending more time in research and development doing something to FORWARD the industry, not go backwards making expensive and useless toys !
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The vast majority of brand new people to pinball, who have never seen one before, wont even know about a reconditioned pinball, or a reco fishtales etc, so brand new is the only way for them to go if they see a new pinball on display.
If they walk into a large sales depot style place in the USA and see these new home Pin pinballs there being set up and played, its great news if they take one home and start their collections. Also, if its going to be purchased for children, or the whole family, they will have peace of mind knowing the kids or anyone wont be getting electrocuted by some USA hack technician who didnt due a job properly on a 20 yr old fishtales etc, so these pinball machines are very important to get new people into the pinball hobby IMO.
Plenty of people in the USA with money to spend. Also, it cant be a toy if it has the same commercial flipper kits, coils and all hardware a Pro Stern has etc. Except for the different displays etc, its the same machine hardware wise according to the videos except a little shorter etc.
I think anything to expand new pinball sales is a great idea. Well done Stern.
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The vast majority of brand new people to pinball, who have never seen one before, wont even know about a reconditioned pinball, or a reco fishtales etc, so brand new is the only way for them to go if they see a new pinball on display.
If they walk into a large sales depot style place in the USA and see these new home Pin pinballs there being set up and played, its great news if they take one home and start their collections. Also, if its going to be purchased for children, or the whole family, they will have peace of mind knowing the kids or anyone wont be getting electrocuted by some USA hack technician who didnt due a job properly on a 20 yr old fishtales etc, so these pinball machines are very important to get new people into the pinball hobby IMO.
Plenty of people in the USA with money to spend. Also, it cant be a toy if it has the same commercial flipper kits, coils and all hardware a Pro Stern has etc. Except for the different displays etc, its the same machine hardware wise according to the videos except a little shorter etc.
I think anything to expand new pinball sales is a great idea. Well done Stern.
There is no "spin" that can save this contraption. Customers that walk into Home depot etc, don't have a loose $3000 - $4000 to spend on luxuries in today's economy (over there). It just won't happen. A big "if" someone was stupid enough to spend a huge amount of money on a toy, then they would have already done their homework, and made the wiser decision. I think a consumer would be a lot more worried about a 110V toy than a well built "real" pinball machine. This toy looks cumbersome, and I think if someone sneezed hard enough near it, it would fall over is so badly designed.
"Plenty of people in the USA with money to spend" - Do you not watch the news mate !@# #@#. The fiscal cliff nearly threw the entire country into a recession late last year !
Stern spend way too much time going backwards with ideas like this. I wonder if the sales for this toy are in double figures yet ?
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Lets face it - pinball is a luxury and not a necessity - people who don't have much $ to their name WILL PROBABLY NOT buy this (ummm) pinball.
Using parts from a pinball which did not sell well is a very smart move to free up some funds that are tied up as dead stock, but, this day and age, lean manufacturing is the key to profit.
Would love to know what George Gomez actually feels about this.
Does anyone here actually want to buy one? curious.
On a positive note at least it has some people talking about pinball. !@#
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There is no spin. America has apx 400 million people in it from memory, if he sells a few hundred or a few thousand worldwide he will be happy.
Not everyone is broke, and there are alot of people with lots of cash to spend, both here and in the USA.
Its got the same commercial hardware as a normal Stern. Whats wrong with something new for pinball to get new people involved. Some people only buy brand new, this product caters for it. There is certainly no harm in Stern trying a new product.
If the industry didnt try new ideas, we would be back when pinballs had no flippers.
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Spoken like a true FANBOY Cavey. <.>
Do you have shares in STERN and thats why you talk this up?
It's all good mate, when do you get yours?
I loove forums #*#
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There is no spin. America has apx 400 million people in it from memory, if he sells a few hundred or a few thousand worldwide he will be happy.
Try 300+ mil
they cannot sell a few thousand of most titles they produce, why would they sell 1000's of a cut down version
Not everyone is broke, and there are alot of people with lots of cash to spend, both here and in the USA.
And if you had cash, you would buy a real game
Its got the same commercial hardware as a normal Stern. Whats wrong with something new for pinball to get new people involved. Some people only buy brand new, this product caters for it. There is certainly no harm in Stern trying a new product.
If the industry didnt try new ideas, we would be back when pinballs had no flippers.
It is not an new idea, Stern has tried the cut down version twice before, Batman, Ironman. I do not remeber tose game setting sales records
Stern needs to try harder, not cut back on what is already a cut down product
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There is no spin. America has apx 400 million people in it from memory, if he sells a few hundred or a few thousand worldwide he will be happy.
Not everyone is broke, and there are alot of people with lots of cash to spend, both here and in the USA.
Its got the same commercial hardware as a normal Stern. Whats wrong with something new for pinball to get new people involved. Some people only buy brand new, this product caters for it. There is certainly no harm in Stern trying a new product.
If the industry didnt try new ideas, we would be back when pinballs had no flippers.
Oh there is spin on this contraction mate - Stern can't promote this as anything else but a toy. It is what it is. No one can claim this is anywhere near a real pinball. It is a Zizzle with a massive price tag. Customers that want toys will buy Zizzle before a Pin at 25% of the price. Do you seriously think Stern will sell a few thousand ? They could be "over the moon" to sell in the hundreds. Pinball people are not that stupid. I can't see any local stern distributes even looking at these as novelty. As I said, it is not new - it is an idea taken from Zizzle. No innovation here. When it beaks down, what do you do ? Fold it up and send it in a postpack ?
I have a bee in my bonnet over this toy. It is further proof that Stern don't know their customer base. Maybe they are starting to realize that their future market is the home market - which Stern have ignored for years. But to "solve" that "demand" they release the leftovers of production games and set the prices higher than a quality second hand real pinball.
I want pinball to survive and thrive, and it frustrates the hell out of me that Stern release junk like "Pin".
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those things are fugly, plain awefull
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Nino, u said "pinball people arent that stupid", but its not aimed at pinball people, it aimed at people who havent had a pinball machine before !
And thats the point. Stern is trying to say to new people, and perhaps to old people, u can have a pinball machine which doesnt weigh 160 kilograms and u dont have to have a massive machine in your house, u can have something which is still new, and has all the commercial hardware, but its lighter and smaller, and still lots of fun.
What 8 or 12 year old kid would say no to having one of these machines compared to nothing at all.
You just have to understand that the industry and the world is changing, its not aimed at the purist, its aimed at a newer market.
Again, anything that promotes new pinball machines in new homes is a good thing, and who cares about what Gary Stern did or didnt do yesterday, he is certainly looking after the home market now. I think people should generally give the man a chance, no one on earth is perfect.lol
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Brett and Nino, I agree with both of you although you are poles apart.
Looking at some customer feedback on Amazon, there are the purists who bag this thing with 1 or 2 stars and there are typical family members who give it 5 stars.
http://www.amazon.com/Stern-Transformers-Pin-Pinball-Machine/product-reviews/B009AVLBS0/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
I personally think it is too expensive for casual home entertainment and it will not turn the girl next door into a pinball collector. Gary is trying and testing the market with not much to loose short term. It will be interesting to see how long they last both physically and as a novelty.
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Brett and Nino, I agree with both of you although you are poles apart.
Looking at some customer feedback on Amazon, there are the purists who bag this thing with 1 or 2 stars and there are typical family members who give it 5 stars.
http://www.amazon.com/Stern-Transformers-Pin-Pinball-Machine/product-reviews/B009AVLBS0/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
I personally think it is too expensive for casual home entertainment and it will not turn the girl next door into a pinball collector. Gary is trying and testing the market with not much to loose short term. It will be interesting to see how long they last both physically and as a novelty.
I just read the Amazon feedback too
as it is with all pinball machines, these toys will break down aswell, for the non-pinball person, this will turnout to be a very expencive toy
Are they being sold anywhere else except for Amazon?
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Yep - read the Amazon feedback and its a mixed bag.. not sure why those who havent purchased one feel inclined to post against this to deter people.
reviews of owners is pretty much a 50/50 mixed bag.. seems the small profile is a winner with home environment but then there are the early faults and if its the same components that Stern use for the real deal then it aint good and JJP will shine like a beacon on a dark night once released.
My take on all this is that there may well be a place for a scaled down pinball for the home environment after all... i was very sceptical at first but people are buying it... unfortunately, the savings have come at a cost and the machine is at a premium price too.
Maybe a bit better quality at a lower price would see this actually launch as a serious platform?
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Negatives
- has a sealed mdf timber playfield
- has a mdf cabinet
- rails is actually just a special powdercoated timber
- very expensive
Positives
- has leds
- has SAM 2.0 board set
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To keep this short......oh dear......I see they even cost cut the interview by using only one microphone which really made the interview flow fantastically well.....big budget production all round
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160kg ...
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Sorry Cavey, but you're starting to sound like the Jennifer Hawkings of Stern. You're coming a little too strong and hitting the company line like an employee. You can't possibly like everything about Stern or do you?
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. And this subsidy was bought to you by AMD Australia..
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Sorry Cavey, but you're starting to sound like the Jennifer Hawkings of Stern. You're coming a little too strong and hitting the company line like an employee. You can't possibly like everything about Stern or do you?
A few points.
I said USA had 400 million people BUT the official estimate is apx 320 million. If we add in illegals, it probably hits 400 million.lol %.% @.@, but as I said, it was a quick calculation from memory, I didnt search wikipedia. .......(and god forbid i said they had 1200 million people) :lol :lol <..> <..>
The std Stern pin is just under 300 pounds, about 140 kilograms apx without using a calculator. Add a 10 or 20 kg pallet and a few herniated disks from trying to lift the std heavy commercial Stern model etc, and u get the point versus the much lighter home pin model. The JJP is over 160 kgs boxed. Ouccchhh.
I do like everything about Stern for a few reasons.
First of all, I see things different to most, cause most people on here work for a wage/salary. The minority of people are self employed commission/performance only like I have been for 20 plus years. When u wake up everyday and you are a business owner you focus on positives, all day long, not negatives. You find reasons and ways to make things work, you dont sit at a desk and bag everything cause that mind set doesnt make money. I look at the positives Stern does, and hope they improve on that.
Some people just focus on negative stuff, all day everyday, but I find that like cancer. (and I have just had a operation to get rid of it so I know what i am talking about, it aint nice, nothing negative is that grows.lol) We can all bag everyone and everything everday, but without constructive suggestions and helpful advice, that critique is like cancer to a business owner. If you want to bag something or someone, I reckon add a varied way that the person or company could try instead. That then becomes constructive, but critique without positive feedback is just negativity to me or cancer to a business owner who cant afford to focus only on the negative. Sure, Stern are not perfect, but they are trying, and if you want your own pinball hobby to survive for your kids, you better support them or there wont be a new pinball industry left to talk n debate about.
It doesnt hurt to say good things about Stern, but it does hurt to knock them all the time, because newbies reading these posts (lurkers who read n never post) might be put off buying a new Stern if all they read is negative stuff.....and every sale lost, is perhaps a customer that never joins our great hobby/pinball playing n collecting...so whilst we are talking pinball amongst ourselves , remember many people we are trying to convert to pinball are watching n reading.
and remember, our 2nd hand pinballs today, were once brand new pinballs once....without Stern, where will the next decades 2nd hand pinballs come from........(except JJP which may or may not be commercially viable or alive in 5 or ten years).
Positive talk about Pinball can only help new pinball people join us......food for thought cause we are all on the same team.....team pinball promotion.
P.S = if u say something negative after this post, u should seek a therapist and tell them why mummy n daddy beat u as a child.lol (just kidding)
Can we have one week on AP where no one says anything negative, or are we just all bitter 40 year olds.lol %.% %.% %.%
Pot shot away.......or say something positive, I dare you !! u might be surprised how good it makes u feel. %.% %.% %.% %.%
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Positive talk about Pinball can only help new pinball people join us......food for thought cause we are all on the same team.....team pinball promotion.
P.S = if u say something negative after this post, u should seek a therapist and tell them why mummy n daddy beat u as a child.lol (just kidding)
Can we have one week on AP where no one says anything negative, or are we just all bitter 40 year olds.lol %.% %.% %.%
Pot shot away.......or say something positive, I dare you !! u might be surprised how good it makes u feel. %.% %.% %.% %.%
Silly Queenslander
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That is your take
me, as a self employed person, works darn hard for my money, and I want to see value when I spend it.
I want something that when I do buy it, it makes my hard work seem worth it
What I do not like is being treated like a fool
Adding a few hundred dollars worth of Bling and calling it a Limited Edition for a few thousand more, I am being treated like a fool
Taking my money and pushing the delivery date forward by at least 15 months, and then asking if I want to start paying for the next game , is treating me as if I am retarded
We are all being taken for a ride, and we must be fools as we are all drinking the Kool-ade
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As a self employed person I guess I am allowed to comment? However, i dont see that as making me or my opinions special, and certainly have respect for all people who work behind a desk or not. Everyone's endeavours should be treated with respect.
This toy is a sad thing, a weak attempt by Stern to tap a home market which GS himself treated with disdain for years. I think it will fail for all the reasons members have mentioned. I can't fathom the idea that we should be positive about this and/or stern to influence 'lurkers'- they are entitled to hear the opinions of long time collectors, good or bad.
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I'm self employed and I would not buy this expensive toy for any reason, and I pity anyone that ventures into the hobby and stumbles across this contraception and then buys it. Most people are intelligent enough to do "some" level of research with an expensive toy like this. I'm sure they would find that they get better value for money if they bought a second hand game, or spent an extra $2000 ish on a real new Stern. I've never heard of anyone who has bought a $3000 - $4000 toy. Usually rich kids want the best - they would be the minority that Stern have marketed for.
In my view, Stern need to drop this embarrassment of a product. Focus their R&D on the POSITIVE market of producing real pinballs.
They have the momentum after the massive success of AC/DC. They now have a competitor with what appears to be a far superior product with teething problems. Strike while the Iron's hot - but they failed and produced a toy. That is so frustrating. Thankfully, the only people that know about "Pin" are collectors, and there is no response as far as they are concerned. There is no collector I know who will buy one.
I'd love 5 minutes with Gary Stern. There's a lot he SHOULD be doing to promote pinball and Stern were in a good place before this junk. I'm aware I'm bashing Stern on this thread, but they deserve it in my view (only for this product).
First thing he needs to do is make the real pinballs affordable for the home market. Just look at the last 2 years. In all my years, I've NEVER seen so many NIB games going to collector's homes. Drop the price, and drop rehashing what's already been done. There's the opportunity.
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Sorry again Cavey but I do have a problem with your logic and view of the world. If I recall you work or did work in the security field, when selling your alarms did you tell people not to buy them as there are far more good people out there than bad?
Play the odds, what's the chances of my neighbour being Al Capone? Did you every tell your clients of the stories of how mr smith lost everything because he didn't have a system etc to put a little fear in to him. I call the technique "planting the seed of doubt" into a person to get them to buy or take on your service and I think that's not a positive way to get business.
I recall you were getting out of the biz because of all the negativity which made you unhappy, that does not sound like a positive person. I understand what you want but unfortunately you cannot have it and it will kill you trying.
Understand you are who you are and we need to accept it and we are who we are and I think you need to chill a little, slow down on the defensiveness and take us for who we are good or bad.
I notice a lot of your posts stirr up a lot of animosity and get very defensive over it, which s not a positive thing. Try ignoring stuff for a little while or moving on to the next thread. I do and you see I talk a lot of shit and try to joke as much as possible and hang as much on me as I do on others. I even post stupid threads to try and give relief from the threads that try to fathom the meaning of life and everything.
I got nothing against you but thought I'd point my impressions and I think you come on a little too strong to some people which in turn is not going to achieve your ultimate goal. Thanks for listening
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If we were only to post positives on this machine then there would be no thread... simple
A well known expression comes to mind..."You cant polish a turd"
There may well be a place in the market for a lower profile machine but in all honesty Stern are not the people to do it.
If negative posts are not wanted, then its best not to have machines like this mentioned on the forum.... game is cheaply made.... maintenance is zero.....price is far too extravagant.
A cheaply made overpriced mini machine will put home buyers off in the long run.
I cant see any positives with this.. and yes.. i am self employed with a shop and all that other stuff.
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
Has been said that pinballs breed... seems we inadvertently stumbled on the solution
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
Has been said that pinballs breed... seems we inadvertently stumbled on the solution
Maybe this game is the cure to our obsession. I know marriage cured me from having sex
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
Auto correction got me ! But I think I'll leave it as it was - It is worth the laugh !
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
Auto correction got me ! But I think I'll leave it as it was - It is worth the laugh !
+1 but don't you love it when you go all out to push your point, you vented everything to the max, you've solved all the worlds problems and then @.@ I said what??? No thats not what I meant &^&
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Hey strangways don't you love auto correction.......did you mean contraption or do we need to put a condom on this game %.% now there's a thought ^^^
Auto correction got me ! But I think I'll leave it as it was - It is worth the laugh !
I literally took it as meaning that the pill, er I mean Pin, is a pinball contraception form of the prevention of breeding new Pins. Might be a good thing if we do not see more baby Pins. &&
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Silly Queenslander
Settle down mate.
QLD is far better than the mexican states by a long shot!
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Silly Queenslander
Settle down mate.
QLD is far better than the mexican states by a long shot!
and the background isn't blue!
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As a self employed person I guess I am allowed to comment? However, i dont see that as making me or my opinions special, and certainly have respect for all people who work behind a desk or not. Everyone's endeavours should be treated with respect.
This toy is a sad thing, a weak attempt by Stern to tap a home market which GS himself treated with disdain for years. I think it will fail for all the reasons members have mentioned. I can't fathom the idea that we should be positive about this and/or stern to influence 'lurkers'- they are entitled to hear the opinions of long time collectors, good or bad.
I never said my opinions or I was special. That was not written anywhere at all.
This is a classic example of how people read something and just make up their version out of nothing which to me is just comical.
I read all the other posts, and it seems we are talking different languages. I am talking half a glass full, and some others are talking half a glass empty.
I also didnt stop doing security because I thought the industry was negative, I had 2 x operations for cancer and melanoma, plus a 3rd operation which was unrelated to those other 2, and have had the last 9 months off.
The funny thing about a forum, is that people read a post, and completely interperet what is written about ten different ways.
Sometimes I sit here and wonder how people can take something that seems to be very straight forward, and just twist things to such a different level, that they are now talking about something completely different.
I thought we were talking about pinball on here, but some people just want to talk about other people and their different opinions and sometimes try n make the person with a different opinion be the minority with barbed comments.
Perhaps a few members on here should read the book Animal Farm. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Which isnt or shouldnt be the way. I am talking about Stern, and then some people are talking about me cause I have a different opinion. What the hell has my security industry got to do with Stern. An example, where we should be talking about the Pin or Stern, but not about the member cause a member has a different opinion....
It would have been nice to see some really positive comments after my long positive talk about promoting pinball and about focusing on positives etc. But when i woke up this morning and saw mostly negative comments as usual, it certainly didnt surprise me.
Anyway, I think the topic was Sterns Home Pin.
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does anyone know of anyone in the USA who has played/demo'd this home model, and what are people saying about the home model on the other forums.....
has anyone talked about putting the kit together yet ? !@#
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Let me get this correct... you are allowed to post ALL your opinons which are 100% Stern this Stern that and how great they are, but we ( the rest of us) are not allowed to expand/ question/ disagree with said opinions even if WE ( the rest of us) feel they are just as valid to us as your are to you?
Your previous carrer was brought up because you said you only saw the positives in everything and yet you also posted sometime back that you had had enough of the security industry... do i really need to explain this???...WE ( the rest of us) understood the post as a comparitive post and the techniques used to sell a product... it was based around yourself so YOU could relate to it..
WE ( the rest of us) understood that... you obviously did not.
Mate.... i have to agree that you do need to lighten up a bit... we all try to keep any discussions etc a touch humorus.. be it with emitocons.. the odd sarcastic comment... even puppies!
You take all posts far too seriously.. step back a bit... see the positives in the quirky replies.. take a breath and above all else, if something is below par ( Stern The Machine) then admit it.. laugh at it.." nice try but no cigar" and all that.... we all are.. after all, it is a lemon at the end of the day
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I never said people werent allowed to post anything. This is another example where people stretch my words.
Perhaps I am not the only person who needs to lighten up then. Some people on here could also take their own advice when it comes to reading/digesting someone elses post which may be in total disagreement on a subject. The advice shouldnt only flow one way.
Maybe some others could lighten up as well and talk about the subject at hand versus aiming comments at the member because he has disagreed on something or because that person feels a different way. Sound fair enough ? !@#
also u say its a lemon, i say its not....there is no right or wrong, so why shld i admit its a lemon....see what i mean...!
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does anyone know of anyone in the USA who has played/demo'd this home model, and what are people saying about the home model on the other forums.....
has anyone talked about putting the kit together yet ? !@#
can anyone add anything to this. !@#
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I never said people werent allowed to post anything
Oh dear.. cors you didnt, but you do seem to get upset and bit uptight when someone doesnt agree with you..
.. again.. you havent understood the post or the context it was written in.
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/puppy.jpg)
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toucheeee. (meant to say tooshay).lol
are they Stern dogs...where are the Stern collars ?
maybe a puppy pinball would sell really well to ladys/female market ?lol
Its all good Gav, I agree and understand u now.
Brett ^^^
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Animal farm.... Haven't read the book but loved the movie with John belushi....double @.@
Couldn't resist lets get back onto topic and see how many for's and against's there are.
I'm a no for this model
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I'm a no for this model
Not at the price.
$1499.99 and not a cent more, perhaps I would consider.
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Nice puppies,
Pin is fulgy. At least they had a go. Hopefully those that purchase enjoy,
Red
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Couldn't resist lets get back onto topic and see how many for's and against's there are.
I'm a no for this model
I'm a no also and not just for this theme. I personally wouldn't spend the money be it 3K or half that amount because I want the real thing and not the pretend version. But that's just me, I've no problem with anyone else wanting to buy one though, each to there own, if you enjoy it good luck to you. I'd still like to hear from anyone familiar with the Pro or LE version to see what they think of the layout/look of the toy version though.
I also think that If Stern wanted to produce a machine to use up there spare parts or target a new market or whatever the case maybe, then in this case they should have re branded it so as not to negatively affect the "Stern" brand. I mean that in a positive way too. I'm glad Stern are still making pinball where others have pulled out of the market and I hope that they grow and innovate but this machine isn't the path for that.
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Couldn't resist lets get back onto topic and see how many for's and against's there are.
I'm a no for this model
I'm a no also and not just for this theme. I personally wouldn't spend the money be it 3K or half that amount because I want the real thing and not the pretend version. But that's just me, I've no problem with anyone else wanting to buy one though, each to there own, if you enjoy it good luck to you. I'd still like to hear from anyone familiar with the Pro or LE version to see what they think of the layout/look of the toy version though.
I also think that If Stern wanted to produce a machine to use up there spare parts or target a new market or whatever the case maybe, then in this case they should have re branded it so as not to negatively affect the "Stern" brand. I mean that in a positive way too. I'm glad Stern are still making pinball where others have pulled out of the market and I hope that they grow and innovate but this machine isn't the path for that.
+1 you make some excellent points in which a supposed good idea could actually damage a company's and industries reputation
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Nice puppies,
Pin is fulgy. At least they had a go. Hopefully those that purchase enjoy,
Red
these things wont hit the Aus market %$% they might as well give it up and make poker machines... lol
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Add my no vote as well, simply because most if us on this form prefer real machines.
i assume some form of market research was done by the company, and a need identifies prior to undertaking construction of this "item". If not, the company is in serious trouble. Points for intiative if it is indicated, and double points if we are all proved wrong and it sells. The majority argument I get from non-pin converts is that the machines "always breakdown" and cost too much to maintain. If it is sold as some form of "solid, reliable" version, that will give many years of joy to "the whole"family, then it may have a chance.
Looks like it's lighter and more mobile too, so can be set up easier than the hulking monoliths I have to shuffle around some times.
Good luck to Stern, not my cup of tea, but I never thought One Dirction would ever sell CDs and look at how good they are>>>>>>>>>>>>> &^&
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As has been said earlier, this was a quick and easy way of using up surplus inventory from a "full sized" title that did not sell as well as they hoped for. I doubt any market research has been done prior, if it sells they will churn out a few more as demand dictates, if it doesn't sell it will quickly become just another "Batman Lite" (forgotten about and shelved forever).
Something to consider for Stern's LE buyers, this is where your money is being spent......(2k for powdercoat times 500 machines goes a long way).
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Good luck to Stern, not my cup of tea, but I never thought One Dirction would ever sell CDs and look at how good they are>>>>>>>>>>>>> &^&
Quite an apt comparison......... One Direction versus None Direction................... #@#
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My take on it is simple: a toy should sell at a toy price. Stern was kidding themselves at $4000 - this has been recognised and at least they have dropped the price to $2700 on Amazon, but still way too much in my opinion.
I admit this hasn't stopped at least 7 people from buying one. Hopefully they get to enjoy it for a few years.
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I admit this hasn't stopped at least 7 people from buying one. Hopefully they get to enjoy it for a few years.
Maybe we have it all wrong and sorry to any of you who brought the LE version but going by those numbers this unit is the REAL LE version! :D @.@
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As has been said earlier, this was a quick and easy way of using up surplus inventory from a "full sized" title that did not sell as well as they hoped for. I doubt any market research has been done prior, if it sells they will churn out a few more as demand dictates, if it doesn't sell it will quickly become just another "Batman Lite" (forgotten about and shelved forever).
Something to consider for Stern's LE buyers, this is where your money is being spent......(2k for powdercoat times 500 machines goes a long way).
This is even worse than I thought. So Stern had low numbers on Transformers - it didn't sell as well as they expected (for whatever reasons). So they stripped the game even further hoping it would sell more ? Sell a poor selling game as a toy to unsuspecting rich kids ? What are Stern thinking ?
Take the hit. Learn from the experience and spend more time developing the game. Instead, they go backwards. I hope the seven buyers of this toy enjoy their game. I'll bet they won't be repeat customers once they find out how much a real pinball costs !
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Stern made too many LE Transformers. The Pro versions all sold, but they made too many LE versions. My understanding is they had apx 100 LE machines still in stock and the orders dried up and some sat for a while til they were heavily discounted for operators to put on site eventually.
Stern has since lowered its LE numbers which has worked well.
It would be good to see just how many of the Home pin they do sell, but with numbers not published, it will be hard to tell.
The machine looks fun in the videos, not withstanding the fact it is a entry level smaller machine.
I wonder if they made it to Australia, would they sell at places like Bunnings, Masters and say Harvey Norman......If they do alright in the USA, maybe they might come out here. I wonder if they made a operator version with a coindoor, would operators give one a go for the ease of moving it and the fact that it has a smaller footprint size wise in a shop etc. Wouldnt hurt to play around with one. !@#
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My take on it is simple: a toy should sell at a toy price. Stern was kidding themselves at $4000 - this has been recognised and at least they have dropped the price to $2700 on Amazon, but still way too much in my opinion.
I admit this hasn't stopped at least 7 people from buying one. Hopefully they get to enjoy it for a few years.
Spot on. "A toy should sell at a toy price". I'll be honest, it's grown on me, I'd like an Avengers The Pin" as an oddity/collector piece, but wouldn't pay $2700 when I could buy a full-sized pinball machine. Anything over $2000, would be better spending the money on a DMD machine, $1500-$2000 I would buy an 80s solid state machine and under $1500 I might consider The Pin. One man's opinion.
Cheers!
Adam.