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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: GetTheJackpot on October 19, 2013, 06:29:35 AM
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http://www.pinballnews.com/
Cost: $7995
LOL at all the MM owners on pinside whining.
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Good news for me as I was going to drop $10K for a good MM last week but wanted to see if I this rumour was true.
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By the time it lands here, it will be a lot more than $7995.
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Well personally I don't like it. Better off moving forward, it's the only way for pinball to survive in the long term. Would hate to see Stern close up due to declining sales caused by remakes.
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Well personally I don't like it. Better off moving forward, it's the only way for pinball to survive in the long term. Would hate to see Stern close up due to declining sales caused by remakes.
Maybe it is a move in the right direction, instead of every pinball being a movie or band theme, this may start them on the path to creating their own original themes.
Licensed themes always seem to create more hassle with replacement parts down the road.
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the announcement
$7995
Delivery Q2 2014
1000 units
live stream of announcement ... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jguynes
For those that didn't want to listen to the entire video, here are some Cliff Notes highlights:
1. Could be sooner than Q2 of 2014. (Conservative estimate)
2. This is not something that was just though up of, this has been in the works for over a year.
3. The game is approved through Williams (Roger Sharpe) and Roger approves whether or not this is a game that looks and plays like an original.
4. No "W" logo will appear. The only thing that will be different is that anywhere there is a "Williams" or "W" logo will be left out.
5. Who's involved in making the game:
a. Playfield made by Churchill Cabinet Company
b. Roger Sharp
c. Attorneys
d. Chicago Gaming Company
6. Same building that produced original MM pinball will be used.
7. Built on a contract basis through Planetary Pinball.
8. "We've got a great team and this has been going on for a while."
9. Roger Sharp must give blessing before game is released.
10. Several distributors are reselling the machine.
11. Parts to be sold through Alfa (inaudible) Distributors
12. Mr. Pinball Australia customers have "options." Those options are:
a. Waiting for the existing version of the game
b. Getting a full refund for the game
c. Getting an existing version of the game through Planetary Pinball
d. Please contact Mr. Pinball Australia for options
these guys are stated to be building it
http://www.chicago-gaming.com
jack is going to be the distributor !@# !@# !@#
http://pinballsales.com/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=152&idcategory=
someone got this reply after paying a deposit:
Hello!
Thank you for your order for the Limited Edition Medieval Madness Remake to
be made by Planetary Pinball!
Whether your credit card was taken via PinballSales.com or over the phone,
it has NOT and WILL not be charged.
Please send a check payable to:
Jack Guarnieri Service Co., Inc.
1645 Oak Street
Lakewood, NJ 08701
This check must be received within 7 days for the sale to be confirmed.
Again Please make sure the check is payable to:
Jack Guarnieri Service Co., Inc. or it cannot be accepted.
Once we have received your check, you will receive a confirmation and
invoice via email.
If you have any questions let me know.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Jen Guarnieri
Sales & Marketing Coordinator
Jack Guarnieri Service Co.
1645 Oak Street
Lakewood, NJ 08701
P: (732) 364-9900, Ext 203
Pre-order are opened for Europe on Ministryofpinball site:
http://www.ministryofpinball.com/en/pinballmachines/flipperkasten/williams/medieval-madness.html.
they say there is a good chance that all 1000 will go today at expo so follow it up if you want in
the official poster as per below
info came from alot of people that just put deposits down
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mm-confirmed-at-expo-by-planetary-pinball-7999
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While it might upset those that are concerned with their current investment in that game, it is great to see this being done.
I think the originals will settle at a lower than today price, but will still command good prices as the remakes will likely not be seen as collectable.
I suspect AFM will be next - with what I have invested in mine it probably would not be of benefit to me, but in reality I would rather see more hobbyists able to access this and MM and some other classic games than a few $ loss to me on one game's value.
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anyone paid there deposit???
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First I believe they will be over AU$10K by the time they get to Australia.
Second they are using completely new electronics (good or bad? - who knows?)
Third there is only ONE reason licenced parts are hard to get for some titles and that is the manufacturer DID NOT BOTHER to negotiate properly with the rights owners in the first place. My licence agreement with ITV for Thunderbirds Pinball stipulates that ALL and ANY artwork - toys etc will be available "for the life of the machine". I can assure you this was a sticking point but one I would not budge from as I am well aware of the problems people have with some items for some machines. This point alone is one reason negotiations took longer than they might have and I am certain it was of no interest to Bally/Williams/Gottlieb back in the day.
I am doing what I can to ensure that my customers NEVER have this idiotic and nasty licencing issue with machines they buy from me - EVER!
Well personally I don't like it. Better off moving forward, it's the only way for pinball to survive in the long term. Would hate to see Stern close up due to declining sales caused by remakes.
Maybe it is a move in the right direction, instead of every pinball being a movie or band theme, this may start them on the path to creating their own original themes.
Licensed themes always seem to create more hassle with replacement parts down the road.
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Third there is only ONE reason licenced parts are hard to get for some titles and that is the manufacturer DID NOT BOTHER to negotiate properly with the rights owners in the first place. My licence agreement with ITV for Thunderbirds Pinball stipulates that ALL and ANY artwork - toys etc will be available "for the life of the machine". I can assure you this was a sticking point but one I would not budge from as I am well aware of the problems people have with some items for some machines. This point alone is one reason negotiations took longer than they might have and I am certain it was of no interest to Bally/Williams/Gottlieb back in the day.
At the risk of maintaining the off topic direction, to be fair Bally/Williams/Gottlieb were in the business of selling to commercial operators, so longevity (past 3 or 4 years) was not a great concern to either the seller or the buyer. New product would come to replace the worn out old one from several different manufacturers.
The landscape has of course changed, and it's good to hear Homepin is designing for the hobbyist/home user to enable maintaining a machine for many years.
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No Williams logo is like buying a Ferrari without the "cavallino rampante". Kinda reminds me of the VWs with plastic kit bodies that looked like a Ferrari.
The remakes potentially could devalue the originals, but I think the other side of the coin is that remakes are good for the hobby, if they are done properly. The more manufacturers the better. Looks like they are all sold out, so only a handful will make it to Australia ?
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No Williams logo is like buying a Ferrari without the "cavallino rampante". Kinda reminds me of the VWs with plastic kit bodies that looked like a Ferrari.
The remakes potentially could devalue the originals, but I think the other side of the coin is that remakes are good for the hobby, if they are done properly. The more manufacturers the better. Looks like they are all sold out, so only a handful will make it to Australia ?
never, while playing a game, have I ever cared about if a game has a 'W' logo on it
as long as the game is built well
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Fair point Pete, as long as it plays well. I have a tz Pf that doesn't have the bar code on it, I don't think it'll worry me but might to others.
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Good to see. I don't think it'll alter the price of existing machines very much. There may be some who care more about having a spotless one owner machine than the potentially more collectable value of the originals and may trade up though.
Homepin, is 'for the life of the machine' defined in the contract? In IT there is a lot of equipment that comes with a 'limited lifetime warranty', where the lifetime is defined as only 3 years (for example). Your's sounds more like an unlimited lifetime, which would be a very good thing!
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Homepin, is 'for the life of the machine' defined in the contract? In IT there is a lot of equipment that comes with a 'limited lifetime warranty', where the lifetime is defined as only 3 years (for example). Your's sounds more like an unlimited lifetime, which would be a very good thing!
My contract makes is clear that it is for as long as the owner wishes to keep the machine going so that means basically it is open ended.
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Homepin, is 'for the life of the machine' defined in the contract? In IT there is a lot of equipment that comes with a 'limited lifetime warranty', where the lifetime is defined as only 3 years (for example). Your's sounds more like an unlimited lifetime, which would be a very good thing!
My contract makes is clear that it is for as long as the owner wishes to keep the machine going so that means basically it is open ended.
Sounds like you worked out a good deal!
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Good news for anyone who has to have one.
Why I have no idea but if you have to have one.....there ya go.
20k by xmas!
:tumble:
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Had a chuckle when I read this -
Due to overwhelming demand for the Medieval Madness Limited Edition remake and to allow more people who may have missed out on having the opportunity to get an order in for the game, we have decided to announce a Standard version of Medieval Madness remake which can now also be pre-reserved with a $1000 deposit thru either Planetary Pinball Supply (www.pinball.com) or thru your local authorized distributor.
The Medieval Madness Standard will come with original trim, standard playfield clearcoat, and no shaker motor.
We are committed to insuring that people who desire this game which has been out of reach due to it’s popularity have access to the remake. The Standard Medieval Madness MSRP is $7995 and starting to build around the end of 2014.
We never imagined the level of support for the remake!
So the non-LE will be the same price without the shaker motor, extra clearcoat and awful gold trim.
Is this price gouging at its finest?
Did originals just drop another $1,000.00?
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They will be scrap parts value in five years time when the "hobbyist" boards running them die and are no longer available.....
It disgusts me the greed that is being shown by a few - selling a hobbyist, "how to use embedded controllers board" as a fully fledged commercial product.
It truly defies belief.........are so many pinball hobbyists so thick that they can't see what is going on here???
Gary must be rolling about in stitches.......
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I wonder how many millions are tied up in games that aren't even made yet? There must be money out there :-)
Peter
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I wonder how many millions are tied up in games that aren't even made yet? There must be money out there :-)
Peter
Well at least we have some idea as to what a MM will look like. I agree though mate, lots of money being laid down here there and everywhere on machines that are in concept stages. Obviously the issues with the WG MM remake and WOZ debacle hasn't scared anyone off. With JJP being the distributor for the MM remake and WG being the Aust. distributor now for JJP it's almost comical how everything ties in.
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I see they are now selling "standard" versions for the same price but without the extra clear coats, shaker motor and gold trim - oh and plaque. Jeez price gouging at its finest.
It's a remake for goodness sake, therefore remake it like the original and produce whatever the demand is. Leave the LE, Pro games for your new pins. Poor business decision IMHO. If they want to maximise profit from this they should have had one replica and sold as many of it as the market wanted, that's it. If I was in the market for one and missed out on the first 1,000 I would have been pissed enough not to buy the standard when they offered it for the same price. I would figure I would wait and try and get one when someone flips it. The clear coat is the thing that would annoy me comparing the two for the same price.
The cynic in me says the greed and games played by some of these people will eventually blow up in their faces and they will end up crushing the hobby to a certain extent at some point.
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I see they are now selling "standard" versions for the same price but without the extra clear coats, shaker motor and gold trim - oh and plaque. Jeez price gouging at its finest.
It's a remake for goodness sake, therefore remake it like the original and produce whatever the demand is. Leave the LE, Pro games for your new pins. Poor business decision IMHO. If they want to maximise profit from this they should have had one replica and sold as many of it as the market wanted, that's it. If I was in the market for one and missed out on the first 1,000 I would have been pissed enough not to buy the standard when they offered it for the same price. I would figure I would wait and try and get one when someone flips it. The clear coat is the thing that would annoy me comparing the two for the same price.
The cynic in me says the greed and games played by some of these people will eventually blow up in their faces and they will end up crushing the hobby to a certain extent at some point.
Bad Business decision? they just sold 1000 machines at 8k and will probably sell heaps more standards! less not kid ourselves there not in it for the long run :-) its about making fast money.
Peter
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That's my point - this is clearly not about the long term, over the longer term they might be shooting themselves in the foot.
My comment about bad business decision relates to volume. I'm suggesting they could have sold more volume and therefore made more profit by having a homogenous unlimited (except by demand) version at the one price (perhaps even marginally lower) than the way they did it.
The way they did it was a big "F" you by offering less at the same price to anyone that missed out. Poor form IMHO for a business. It doesn't exactly create goodwill.
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That's my point - this is clearly not about the long term, over the longer term they might be shooting themselves in the foot.
My comment about bad business decision relates to volume. I'm suggesting they could have sold more volume and therefore made more profit by having a homogenous unlimited (except by demand) version at the one price (perhaps even marginally lower) than the way they did it.
The way they did it was a big "F" you by offering less at the same price to anyone that missed out. Poor form IMHO for a business.
+1 agreed.
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Hope this isn't another WOZ
Put money down now and hope for the best??
Seems a strange way to do business,
same price and less toys and bling
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Hope this isn't another WOZ
Put money down now and hope for the best??
Except in this case its $1,000 deposit, balance a week prior to shipping, so a totally different model.
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Hope this isn't another WOZ
Put money down now and hope for the best??
Seems a strange way to do business,
same price and less toys and bling
No way I'd be handing over cash for this, not in a million years. Even more so considering JJP and WG are involved. Look at what happened with WOZ and previous MM remakes. I can't believe anyone would hand over cash upfront.
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#*#
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This should very interesting to watch if nothing else...
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This was stated on their website:
We (PPS) respectfully request that the integrity and information regarding any order with us directly or any of our distributors remain confidential between the parties only, in that no detail of the order is posted on any social media outlets or public internet forum. We strongly suggest you remove any recent postings containing any order details. Failure to adhere to this request may result in the cancellation of your order and full refund of your deposit.
There is speculation that they might have taken too many orders..
Pressure is now on to deliver
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Ah good old US of A land of free speech.....,..
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Yep reading between the lines of that statement it sounds like there are going to be some disappointed people that thought they were one of the 1,000 but might miss out on the LE. If everything is above board what's wrong with someone choosing to share details of their order?
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Pressure is now on to deliver
Taking orders and money is easy, building the damn thing and sticking to delivery dates is another.
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I know it is a little off topic but relates to the guy that will be the distributor for these.
At expo he won the raffle for a free brand new WOZ, should of gone to a new pinballer at least .....
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jguynes
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For those interested, there has been an allocation made to a local distributor. They will be $9995Au.
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I talked to Wayne yesterday about it. He will be ringing all the people tomorrow to get deposits etc.
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I know it is a little off topic but relates to the guy that will be the distributor for these.
At expo he won the raffle for a free brand new WOZ, should of gone to a new pinballer at least .....
%.% the distributor won the raffle. What are the chances ! %$%
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I talked to Wayne yesterday about it. He will be ringing all the people tomorrow to get deposits etc.
Deposits for an MM re-make............
DeJa Vu.......methinks @@*
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Yay a $10k MM, with crap board. Plenty to be excited about ::)
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Yeah Mike time will tell on this.
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Nothing but greed offering a lesser machine for the same price. They would have been better off offering the LE at a higher price (which I bet they are kicking themselves they didn't) and then offering the standard at the $7995 price or lower so at least it doesn't look like a slap in the face the those that didn't have the opportunity to get a LE machine.
How many of us would pay for a put a deposit down for a concept car? I can see it now, a new manufacturer announce plans to make a new car with a few teaser shots of what it might look like and then ask for their customers to fund the project.
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I cannot see Australian pre orders happening. Maybe if they were bought off the showroom floor, but surely we have learnt our lesson ?
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I talked to Wayne yesterday about it. He will be ringing all the people tomorrow to get deposits etc.
Deposits for an MM re-make............
DeJa Vu.......methinks @@*
WOW - the ultimate piss take!!!
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I have been looking for an MM for the last 8 weeks or so. I know they don't come up too much and they were too pricey anyway. Maybe there will be one that will come up soon a bit cheaper that I can pounce on.
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MMLE has been oversold by 300 units.
There are positions now being offered up for sale for a premium (over and above the initial deposit) from those fortunate enough to get a slot.
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Playfield underside:
(http://www.planetarypinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MMRUNDER1.jpg)
(http://www.planetarypinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MMRUNDER2.jpg)
Backbox controller board:
(http://www.planetarypinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MMRCTRL.jpg)
Prototype Gameplay vid:
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Looking good!
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I have never seen under a MM, I assume the original does not have the big circuit board under the playfield but more in the backbox.
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I have never seen under a MM, I assume the original does not have the big circuit board under the playfield but more in the backbox.
Yeah mate, an original MM has the standard 3 boards in the backbox and the underside only has a series of small boards to hold the lights for the inserts.
Here's an original I have for comparison. Sorry about the filth, this was an untouched as is pre-restoration photo.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll153/pinball1974/Medieval%20Madness%20restoration/IMGP0739.jpg)
Time will tell I guess as to whether it was a sensible decision to shift a majority of the backbox components and circuitry to the underside of the playfield - particularly right next to the troll solenoids which pop up and down regularly during the game.
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I was thinking that myself - that the playfield is going to suffer more vibration than the backbox but I suppose it would be a saving in wiring. Might be a pain to peform repairs in the future, curious on Mike (Homepin's) thoughts as well.