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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Caveoftreasures on February 17, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
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Martin from PinballNews has just done a brilliant In Depth Review on the
Medi Evil Madness Remake machines coming off the Stern production line.
I am not sure if any members have purchased one or know the Aussie price but they look great.
Check out PinballNews for a great article.
Anyone here buy one or have home photos ?
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I think only 40 odd came here, split between the three trim choices.
Someone told me the last two from the shipment were sold for around $16k each. Not sure!
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Restored to better than new originals must be 20k then. &&
Genuine polished chrome trim all the way, not baby poo ahem gold.
No beta test boards on these either. Pure Williams quality.
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Get ready for the automatic knee jerk response. #@#
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I think only 40 odd came here, split between the three trim choices.
Someone told me the last two from the shipment were sold for around $16k each. Not sure!
They were listed in the USA at $8,000 USA each for the USA market.
I was thinking that by the time u send one down under with shipping n customs etc etc, add $1500 Aussie then add in the difference in the Aus $ and it would be more like $11,500 to $12,500 with mark up etc etc etc.
At 16 grand that's a bit of a rip off IMO.
Even the original excellent 90,s MM are only worth 8500 to 10,500 if u are nuts & want to pay silly money.
Four years ago a friend got a container in from Japan and it had 8 originals in it & all were in great condition, as all Jap machines are.
He presold all to individual buyers & got 8 grand each & they owed him about 5 grand to 5500 each in a large container deal. It was the last container full of supposed A grade titles that could be had for reasonable $.
Since then, I would have thought the prices on the originals would have dropped a lot if a brand new 2016 technology MM remake could be had in the USA for 8 grand US.
Some people call the latest machine the MM Refake, but I think it's because they paid really stupid $ for a 90,s version & now realise they will never come close to getting their $ back on it.
All the same, I think the new MM is the way to go.
That would be a keeper forever if the Aussie price was realistic.
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Get ready for the automatic knee jerk response. #@#
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All of those Jap import machines had a redundant aftermarket metal Taito badge screwed into the side of the headbox so could hardly be classified as "great condition".
I'd take the $8k Jap version as a discount price just for the fact that the original direct printed artwork is now ruined.
Well done to anyone who bought a repro MM though. It was a great way to get hold of what is the holy grail pin (19 years at number one) for nearly all collectors and since prices of originals had surpassed $20kUS for immaculate original examples it made sense for a lot of people to choose that option and to pickup a reasonably close to original remake version.
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You are right Brett. From my understanding, those that ordered at the start paid less than $10k but those that ordered once they arrived paid $16k. I think :)
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You are right Brett. From my understanding, those that ordered at the start paid less than $10k but those that ordered once they arrived paid $16k. I think :)
Great buy for 10k just a beautiful machine :) by memory the 16k game was air freighted in so maybe that's why it was sold at a premium(I could be wrong) wish I'd got in at 10k.
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Not all Jap machines have metal Taito plates fixed to the headbox.
In fact of the 3 containers I saw from Japan, only a third had the Taito plate affixed on the headbox or cabinet.
A lot had a plate on the coindoor only.
A Jap import machine is usually as good as any HUO game from the U.S. Or Europe any day of the week.
If anyone ever gets offered anything pinball from Japan, go for it cause they are usually minty and low usage.
It's also very rare anyone ever gets to convince a Japaneese operator to part with their machines. You would normally have had a lengthy long term friendship in order to make such a deal. My friend had such a relationship & I was so lucky to see the great machines he imported.
I doubt I will ever see another Japaneese container again.
It would be good if anyone could list the current cash price to buy a MMadness Remake.
Does anyone in Oz hold any stock of these ?
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In the context of MM which is what this thread is about -
"All of those Jap import machines had a redundant aftermarket metal Taito badge screwed into the side of the headbox"
They ALL got sent to Japan at the same time and they ALL had the metal plate affixed to the headbox in the same location.
A picture trumps a thousand words of internet huff and puff.
Much like cash transcends relationships even amongst the Japanese (no double e) as I found out quite easily.
Domo Arigato.
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All of the Limited Editions are sold in Australia and there will be Standard Editions available later in the year. Currently they are price at $13,000 but it would depend where the AUD/USD rate is at the time.
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Those that decide to grab the Medieval Madness remake, best of luck - I can appreciate why you would. To this day one of the greats, and probably will stay top ten for a long time to come (if not No. 1). Simply a brilliant game. Even has complete code, which for coming off the Stern line, is excellent! :lol
Last year I bought an unmolested Aussie delivered original MM for well under $10K. They are around. This was not a special deal, or knowing someone - it was off ebay.
These new games are remakes - refakes is a term that has been used to describe the creation of an MM from a different game of that era - usually NBA Fastbreak. The term is used politely when a hobbyist does this. Maybe less so if done by a dealer......
Unfortunately, there are a lot of issues with the remake that don't appeal to all. I personally do not like the electronics, and wonder how robust they will prove to be. Then there is the damage done on a lot from slings being in the wrong place, and the issue with ink quality on inserts such that the words cannot be read when the lamp is on...Quality issues now hopefully being sorted. Surprising given they are coming off the line of a long time manufacturer, and with a 20 year old design.
But with the desirability of this title, and the lack of supply which was pushing the prices to ridiculous levels, I for one am really happy that the remake will give more collectors access to the game, although the price is pretty high as noted.
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In the context of MM which is what this thread is about -
"All of those Jap import machines had a redundant aftermarket metal Taito badge screwed into the side of the headbox"
They ALL got sent to Japan at the same time and they ALL had the metal plate affixed to the headbox in the same location.
A picture trumps a thousand words of internet huff and puff.
Much like cash transcends relationships even amongst the Japanese (no double e) as I found out quite easily.
Domo Arigato.
You are not correct about what you have stated because
1. You were not present when ALL machines got sent to Japan so u cannot say what or what wasn't done to every machine !
2. You didn't watch the various machines coming out of the containers like I did !
I don't understand how you can make such factual statements when u were not even there.
But u believe whatever you want to make up.
Not every Japaneese pinball has a metal plate stuck to the headbox.
There are many companies in Japan & many people to buy machines off if u are lucky enough to have such contacts.
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Those that decide to grab the Medieval Madness remake, best of luck - I can appreciate why you would. To this day one of the greats, and probably will stay top ten for a long time to come (if not No. 1). Simply a brilliant game. Even has complete code, which for coming off the Stern line, is excellent! :lol
Last year I bought an unmolested Aussie delivered original MM for well under $10K. They are around. This was not a special deal, or knowing someone - it was off ebay.
These new games are remakes - refakes is a term that has been used to describe the creation of an MM from a different game of that era - usually NBA Fastbreak. The term is used politely when a hobbyist does this. Maybe less so if done by a dealer......
Unfortunately, there are a lot of issues with the remake that don't appeal to all. I personally do not like the electronics, and wonder how robust they will prove to be. Then there is the damage done on a lot from slings being in the wrong place, and the issue with ink quality on inserts such that the words cannot be read when the lamp is on...Quality issues now hopefully being sorted. Surprising given they are coming off the line of a long time manufacturer, and with a 20 year old design.
But with the desirability of this title, and the lack of supply which was pushing the prices to ridiculous levels, I for one am really happy that the remake will give more collectors access to the game, although the price is pretty high as noted.
Excellent feedback.
I don't understand when Planetary/Chicago Gaming sourced their own playfields, why they didn't see the ink issues.
I have read Stern only assembled parts that were provided to them & everything was supplied incl playfields that came from a company that is not who Stern uses. I think there is something In the PinballNews article about this from memory.
It would be good to see the MM remakes come down in price.
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Again learn to read (and spell).
In the context of MM, all MM machines were sent to Japan at the same time in 1997. As they were unloaded they were all affixed with a Taito metal plaque on the right hand side of the headbox in the same location.
This is fact, not some third party my best mate internet anecdotal garbage from 10 plus years later.
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Last year I bought an unmolested Aussie delivered original MM for well under $10K. They are around. This was not a special deal, or knowing someone - it was off ebay.
What, no Martin and his magic MM stash anecdote? :lol
Unfortunately, there are a lot of issues with the remake that don't appeal to all. I personally do not like the electronics, and wonder how robust they will prove to be. Then there is the damage done on a lot from slings being in the wrong place, and the issue with ink quality on inserts such that the words cannot be read when the lamp is on...Quality issues now hopefully being sorted. Surprising given they are coming off the line of a long time manufacturer, and with a 20 year old design.
They are beta boards that have not been subjected long term testing and the consumers will be the guinea pigs.
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Again learn to read (and spell).
In the context of MM, all MM machines were sent to Japan at the same time in 1997. As they were unloaded they were all affixed with a Taito metal plaque on the right hand side of the headbox in the same location.
This is fact, not some third party my best mate internet anecdotal garbage from 10 plus years later.
Whatever you think mate, whatever u like to think. You go for it.
I see u must have been there in Japan to see every machine unloaded, I forgot that. ;)
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It isn't what I think, it is what I know for fact - hence the photo earlier.
You clearly forget a lot of things but when you spin as much online self serving bullshit as you do on AP, you are bound to be permanently covered in a miasma which would no doubt affect your already limited mental faculties.
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It isn't what I think, it is what I know for fact - hence the photo earlier.
You clearly forget a lot of things but when you spin as much online self serving bullshit as you do on AP, you are bound to be permanently covered in a miasma which would no doubt affect your already limited mental faculties.
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miasma
mi·as·ma (mī-ăz′mə, mē-)
n. pl. mi·as·mas or mi·as·ma·ta (-mə-tə)
1. A noxious atmosphere or influence: "The family affection, the family expectations, seemed to permeate the atmosphere ... like a coiling miasma" (Louis Auchincloss).
2.
a. A poisonous atmosphere formerly thought to rise from swamps and putrid matter and cause disease.
b. A thick vaporous atmosphere or emanation: wreathed in a miasma of cigarette smoke.
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I had a WH20 once that had a taito badge inside the cabinet.
Don't know who put it there or why but it was there.
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miasma
mi·as·ma (mī-ăz′mə, mē-)
n. pl. mi·as·mas or mi·as·ma·ta (-mə-tə)
1. A noxious atmosphere or influence: "The family affection, the family expectations, seemed to permeate the atmosphere ... like a coiling miasma" (Louis Auchincloss).
2.
a. A poisonous atmosphere formerly thought to rise from swamps and putrid matter and cause disease.
b. A thick vaporous atmosphere or emanation: wreathed in a miasma of cigarette smoke.
Basically means in this context, a highly unpleasant smell. Something that's pungent. Classic word choice, been a while since I last read that one!
I sourced a Jap GNR (immaculate) for a mate and it had the Taito metal badge proudly affixed to the side of the head box. I actually liked it - good historical reference
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It isn't what I think, it is what I know for fact - hence the photo earlier.
You clearly forget a lot of things but when you spin as much online self serving bullshit as you do on AP, you are bound to be permanently covered in a miasma which would no doubt affect your already limited mental faculties.
The preacher on his wooden high horse just never shuts the fark up.
Probably the nastiest little man I have ever heard with constant butt hurt.
It's just a shame I don't take advice from Stalkers but dam it makes my whole family & friends laugh. We salute you yet again Insanity.
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I had a WH20 once that had a taito badge inside the cabinet.
Don't know who put it there or why but it was there.
Daz, it seems that not ALL Taito badges were stuck to the side of every machine like someone professed before repeatedly. Lol
It seems the Taito Badge Crusader missed one when he got off the plane in Japan when he factually did EVERY Japaneese machine personally that was sent from the USA.
Playing with Match Box Ferrari cars can cause lapses in concentration.
This must be the only answer.
There shld be an inquisition immediately if a single headbox was missed & didn't get the badge.
Not doing every headbox surely must be Insanity ! ;)
Hope u are well Daz and all the best for 2016.
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Uggg, Mavis and Maude are at it again
I even started a thread to highlight their collective sillyness
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Uggg, Mavis and Maude are at it again
I even started a thread to highlight their collective sillyness
Yes but so entertaining
Three stooges (minus one) 21st century style
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My MMR cost me $10K but I will gladly sell it for $14K #*#
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My MMR cost me $10K but I will gladly sell it for $14K #*#
how's it performing?
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Well it had damage on it when I got it out of the box. Front decal bubbling where they bolted the coin door on. Wood trim under speaker panel (the glass trim screws into it) has nice gouges in it that even Stevie Wonder could see. Glass trim also has a nice screwdriver scratch on it.
There was a few things that I needed to adjust also as Stern didn't do it right when they build it etc. All I can really say that it is a great pin but Stern's QC sucks big time with the damage on it when it left their factory.
Anyway put in a ticket with CGC and after 42 days with no answer I emailed Rick (PPS) and to his credit he handled it straight away by emailing Doug from CGC and then in turn Doug emailed Wayne and myself so Wayne can order the parts I need under warranty. As far as the wood trim with gouges, CGC doesn't support labour warranty so I have to fix it myself. Wayne did offer me to return it for a full refund though so Rick (PPS) and Wayne (Mr Pinball) have don't the right thing but sadly Stern and CGC is another matter.
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Well it had damage on it when I got it out of the box. Front decal bubbling where they bolted the coin door on. Wood trim under speaker panel (the glass trim screws into it) has nice gouges in it that even Stevie Wonder could see. Glass trim also has a nice screwdriver scratch on it.
There was a few things that I needed to adjust also as Stern didn't do it right when they build it etc. All I can really say that it is a great pin but Stern's QC sucks big time with the damage on it when it left their factory.
Anyway put in a ticket with CGC and after 42 days with no answer I emailed Rick (PPS) and to his credit he handled it straight away by emailing Doug from CGC and then in turn Doug emailed Wayne and myself so Wayne can order the parts I need under warranty. As far as the wood trim with gouges, CGC doesn't support labour warranty so I have to fix it myself. Wayne did offer me to return it for a full refund though so Rick (PPS) and Wayne (Mr Pinball) have don't the right thing but sadly Stern and CGC is another matter.
Very nice of Wayne to offer a full refund assuming he's not thinking of a bigger profit by selling it to someone else.
I am sure Australian warranty law overrides any offered warranty so seeing how the machine is an electrical item any faults that occur within seven days of delivery would require a replacement new machine no repairs allowed unless agreed to by the customer
Don't get caught up in shonky USA warranties
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My MMR cost me $10K but I will gladly sell it for $14K #*#
So would Wayne
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Sorry to hear about the hassle but great to hear about the offers to refund & fix etc.