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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: spacies on January 24, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
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Man I have been waiting to do this for a LOOONNGGG time!
I have had a couple of candidates for this project but couldn't bring myself to ruin a good machine. After talking with Yee last week he gave me a phone number of someone who may be selling a pinball that could be suitable. Its a 1977 Gottlieb Quick Draw. It kinda works. It has trouble coining up and once it does go the score reel gets stuck and then no more points register.
So the deal was done and I have the machine back here. I just took some pics:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24161948.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162022.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162415-1.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162209.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162152.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162122.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162108.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162240.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-01-24162346.jpg)
So you can see it need some love. There is some wear around the pops and some of the paint is splitting on the lower part of the playfield. The plastics in the centre strip have also sunken a bit so I will need to remove those and reseat them. I will need to do some reading and ask some experts on that one. One thing I am dissapointed about is that there is no slings. Oh well, can't get it right first time I guess?!
So on to the theme, Monster Hot Rods. I have had this theme in my head for about 2 years now and started on the art design about 18 months ago. I have gathered art and ideas and hand drawn a ton of art and probably have enough to do 5 or 6 pins since I only used a small fraction on this machine. More on that later. With my love for V8's, my own drag racing cars and working on Hot Rods and Rat Rods it wasn't too hard in the end to get inspiration and ideas. Also another thing was the original bubblegum cards in the 70's and 80's and the fact that I absolutely love the art by Ed 'Big Daddy' Roth, Johnny Ace and Kali Vera. I have purchased several books by those artists and even one called 'How to Draw Monster Hot Rods Like the Pro's!', lol.
So its all happened pretty quick since the pinball arrived a couple of days ago. I searched the web and was lucky enough to find someone who had a NOS (not installed) playfield and I got him to take several high res images so I could get a feel for the layout. He sent the images through, I stitched them together in photoshop and then moved the image to Illustrator. Once in there I measured my playfield and transformed the image to the correct size. Now I have a very close (within a couple of mm's) background to work with.
So first thing to do was to draw the location of the inserts, lane guides, plastics, drop targets etc etc. After a short time I ended up with this image:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/Plafieldblank.jpg)
I think a couple of things are out (hard to judge by photos) but hey, once I acutally pull the playfied down to strip it and start preparing it I will get the scanner and tape measure out and get it 99.9% spot on.
So there you go :D Its underway.
Right at this point I have just about finished the design and will post it up later.
I hope you guys enjoy this as much as I enjoy doing it! :D
PS, I don't have an actual name yet so if you have ideas, fire away!
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So I have almost done the playfield art and this is how it looks right now:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/Playfield_progress_1.jpg?t=1264310346)
:D
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Should be an interesting project! We will watch this one with interest.
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Spacies - I will watch this with great interest also - what a fantastic idea.
I always love your artwork and only wish I could draw to that level !!!
Very keen to see you design cabinet art, backglass and playfield plastics.
The eyeballs, monsters, hot rods, and goofy style spooky lettering looks fantastic.
I am not sure about the bumper spots but - to me doesnt seem to 'fit' !@#
If you kept the hot rod theme going on the cab art and/ or plastics you could name the game something like ...
Freewheelin Freaks
Rockin Roadkill !@# ^&^ !@#
Also - Is there any way you can add sound other than chimes to these old games guys?
With todays technology?
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Thats simply AWESOME !
"Playfield design in an afternoon 101" - New Tech thread @@*
I agree with Wotto - The pops don't suit the game. How about a pop with the faces of the characters that are in the bottom of the playfield ?
:2cents:
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Spacies - I will watch this with great interest also - what a fantastic idea.
I always love your artwork and only wish I could draw to that level !!!
Very keen to see you design cabinet art, backglass and playfield plastics.
The eyeballs, monsters, hot rods, and goofy style spooky lettering looks fantastic.
I am not sure about the bumper spots but - to me doesnt seem to 'fit' !@#
If you kept the hot rod theme going on the cab art and/ or plastics you could name the game something like ...
Freewheelin Freaks
Rockin Roadkill !@# ^&^ !@#
Also - Is there any way you can add sound other than chimes to these old games guys?
With todays technology?
Thanks mate.
Plastics are done. They are in the pic :D
As for the cabinet art I think I will go simple stencils to keep within the EM era. Not sure yet. So that just leaves the backglass :D
Yeah not so sure about the Maltese crosses either and was thinking about some clear or green translucent illuminated pops. Are these available to suit EMs?
Also yeah I am looking in to adding some sounds mate. Got any ideas?
Again, thanks.
Thats simply AWESOME !
"Playfield design in an afternoon 101" - New Tech thread @@*
I agree with Wotto - The pops don't suit the game. How about a pop with the faces of the characters that are in the bottom of the playfield ?
:2cents:
heh, pretty sweet huh. Man I love it (<biased). Took me a while to come up with the colour scheme but i am happy with it now.
As above about the crosses. They will go mate.
Cheers.
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Cool theme spacies ^^^ ^^^, I too will be watching this project with interest, I too like v8's and hot rods, and the ratfink artwork
awesome theme, well done so far on the interest. $&&
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Spacies - any ideas on the target art ?
Maybe a hot rod - or a hot rod monster per drop target ?
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Cool theme spacies ^^^ ^^^, I too will be watching this project with interest, I too like v8's and hot rods, and the ratfink artwork
awesome theme, well done so far on the interest. $&&
Thanks me fellow petrolhead :D
Spacies - any ideas on the target art ?
Maybe a hot rod - or a hot rod monster per drop target ?
Unsure yet boss. Yeah maybe but it a pretty small area mate. Although there is a cowboy on them now and its pretty visible. I think I may just go with bloodshot eyes for targets 1,2,4 and 5 and maybe a complete machine in the middle. Someone did mention maybe to build up a car so perhaps some tyres, chassis, bodywork and engine and the centre the complete machine? That sounds ok.
I have an idea for the name and backglass. Its pretty boring but it fits. RACE?
(http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/2577021946_ba985189b5_o.jpg)
This is a classic Ed Roth image.
Hmmm, not so sure now, lol.
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I remember collecting stickers with these hotrod themes. They came out like footy cards one year in the 60's. I still had them about 10 years ago and chucked them. Wish I could have given them to you for design purposes. Think the pf is great btw
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I remember collecting stickers with these hotrod themes. They came out like footy cards one year in the 60's. I still had them about 10 years ago and chucked them. Wish I could have given them to you for design purposes. Think the pf is great btw
Would have been the 70's too mate - I remember the artwork !
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I liked the bubblegum more than the cards. Nah, jokes. I used to collect them but don't know what happened to them.
My mate has a stack of them and there are some scans on a couple of sites to browse through. Some are very cool :D
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Hey spacies do yo remember this arcade game!!
DEATH RACE
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Nah mate. I don't remember that but it sure does look cool!
Maybe I could use that but change the colours? Hmmm.
Thanks for that pic :D
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Very cool idea indeed.
Artwork is looking great and love the theme. Certainly has that lead-sled / rat rod them going for it!
Cab would look sweet flat matt black, with gold pinstriping on it.!
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Hey spacies
Just had a quick look through my arcade marquee collection and found this gem!!
I this artwork is from the late 70's early 80's??? !@#
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Pretty happy now.
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/PF_diff_plastics1.jpg?t=1264658262)
Added the hand and shifter and the flags.
Changed the plastics and the pops.
Time to move to the backglass :D
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Looking good.
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Awesome !
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Very cool spacies
bring on the back glass ^^^
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Thanks chaps.
I have been told its a bit bare up top so will add some stuff tonight.
Yeah, then the backglass. Might have to do something like a mirrored BG.
Cheers!
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This is it:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/PF_diff_plastics.jpg)
Playfield art, ftw!
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Suggestion ;
Lane guides should either be all white or all red. I prefer white as there is not a lot of red in the playfield other than the "red eyes".
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I agree with Nino on the lane guides. And those flags and Pistons have broken the plain bits up nicely without overdoing it. This is going to be one sick machine ^^^
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ha Ed Roth picture with Race? will make an awesome backglass. the question mark makes it anything but boring.
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Suggestion ;
Lane guides should either be all white or all red. I prefer white as there is not a lot of red in the playfield other than the "red eyes".
Yeah mate. I agree.
Actually the original lanes guides at the bottom are red but they are broken. Any clues where I can get some white ones? Or some unbroken red ones and I will paint them.
Cheers!I agree with Nino on the lane guides. And those flags and Pistons have broken the plain bits up nicely without overdoing it. This is going to be one sick machine ^^^
Sweet as. Sick, I like it!
ha Ed Roth picture with Race? will make an awesome backglass. the question mark makes it anything but boring.
Yeah I love that picture mate. Race? or are you chicken shit? lol.
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Awesome work mate, love the theme! ^^^
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Cheers mate.
Just scanned the PF. Had to do 10 scans and stitch them together. I will use this for final alignments :D
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/Scans_stitched_Medium.jpg?t=1264833186)
Then will add the insert text.
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The Ed `Big daddy` Roth design is very cool. Looking forward to see this pin progress. Well done.
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Suggestion ;
Lane guides should either be all white or all red. I prefer white as there is not a lot of red in the playfield other than the "red eyes".
Yeah mate. I agree.
Actually the original lanes guides at the bottom are red but they are broken. Any clues where I can get some white ones? Or some unbroken red ones and I will paint them.
Cheers!I agree with Nino on the lane guides. And those flags and Pistons have broken the plain bits up nicely without overdoing it. This is going to be one sick machine ^^^
Sweet as. Sick, I like it!
ha Ed Roth picture with Race? will make an awesome backglass. the question mark makes it anything but boring.
Yeah I love that picture mate. Race? or are you chicken shit? lol.
I have plenty of used ones, but also I should have new ones as well that would suit. Better to use new ones mate.
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I have plenty of used ones, but also I should have new ones as well that would suit. Better to use new ones mate.
Thanks mate. I might need some other bits too and if you can help that would be awesome. I will take a look at the other plastics and send you a PM. Cheers!
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I have plenty of used ones, but also I should have new ones as well that would suit. Better to use new ones mate.
Thanks mate. I might need some other bits too and if you can help that would be awesome. I will take a look at the other plastics and send you a PM. Cheers!
Whenever you are ready.
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Any other parts you need let me know i parted out a Fast draw not that long ago ^^^
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Whenever you are ready.
Sweet just took a look and this is what I have:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/2010-01-31135835_Small.jpg)
So I need all 4 of the large ones (all have cracks).
And 2 of the small ones. One of those is sweet but the other has a crack. So 1 will be fine if you don't have new.
And the 2 red lane guides from the bottom are stuffed. So 2 white ones of those as well. Where do you buy this stuff from? Wouldn't mind checking out some sites.
One more thing. Are there replacements for those clear plastic sheet thingys on the base of the pops? Or do you guys just cut your own? Easy enough I suppose but cutting a tidy circle can be tricky.
Another thing (sorry guys) can I get translucent inserts for this machine? Or do you think I should keep the milky ones?
Any other parts you need let me know i parted out a Fast draw not that long ago ^^^
Oh,
If Strangeways can't help then perhaps you might be able to. Do you still have the playfield? Wouldn't mind another to hang on the wall with the same art.
Thanks!
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Spacies ;
If you want to look at ordering other parts - like flipper rebuild kits you might have to look at www.pbresource.com. They sell all the bits you need BUT - it is a difficult ordering process if you are not used to it.
Sponsors have some parts ;
http://www.rtbb.com.au/catalog/index.php?cPath=40_111_136
http://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/index.php?search[terms]=lane&search[mode]=any
The red "tent style" are hard to find. I'll check to see if I have some old ones.
The pop bumper mylar (non adhesive) are here
http://www.pbresource.com/tools.html
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Awesome cheers.
I don't need anything from PB (flippers work ok) as I can get most between the sponsors sites. Yeah seems the only thing will be the tent plastics.
I will wait to see what you have and ddstoys before I put the word out.
I can polish up the pops body but may need some caps too.
Thanks again.
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Hey Spacies.
The playfield is going to be hung on my wall below the backbox and backglassif you were going to hang it on the wall just stick the decal to a piece of mdf ^^^
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Yeah mate, I thought of that just after I posted *!@ I can print a big one and even cut out the inserts for the lights too. Awesome.
Less posting and more finding parts please <.>
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Ive got 1 white Tent thing for you the other ones are white and yellow i have some bumper bodies there aswell if there any help PM me your address and ill get em in the post
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Oh,
White and yellow, hmmm. Is the yellow painted on? I could paint it blue, pink or green.
Thanks for having a look mate.
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Yeah you could paint them any color you liked ^^^ Ill send em both to you Just Pm me your address
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A small update.
I did a test print at Hamishs place on A3 paper and taped them together:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-02-05181855.jpg)
Overlayed it on the playfield and found it was a bit short. So my measurement were off !@)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-02-05200016.jpg)
Since that shot I have changed a bit of the art. I will update that soon.
I also had a go at the backglass:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/backglass_Vga.jpg)
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/backglass2_Small.jpg)
I think I will call it RACE? and have RPM on the inserts. Thoughts?
Over the weekend I sanded the art off the playfield, removed all the inserts because I am going to make some new ones, sanded the bottom apron and the metal apron thing at the top. Also the cover over the shooter, the side rails and prepped the head box. I only have the actual cabinet to prep then spray some paint on everything. Oh and the pops will get some paint too.
Man, so much to do, so little time to do it :(
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Love the theme, this is going to come up fantastic.
Not sure on the name though personally, for mine it is a little plain. This pin deserves a more fitting title I reckon.
If you are going Ed Roth style why not something like Reaper Racers, or a drag racing theme like Monster Mile! Track Monsters maybe.
I like the style for the RPM backglass name it is more eerie looking.
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WOW awesome work so far mate! ()
I like the RPM backglass better, but only my :2cents:
'Race?' isn't quite catchy enough to me
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Very nice work spacies - Can't wait to see it with custom plastics etc !
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Great work Spacies! But after seeing the results in the flesh of your awesome efforts with the Coconut Island cab decals, not surprising at all!! :)
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I knew this would come along well @@*
On the name , I completely agree with Knight76's views - this mighty effort 'deserves' better than a single word name.
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Ok, ok I get the picture. <.>
Lets go back to something more catchy then.
It has to be something to do with pinball. What about some sort of acronym for EM? Electro Monsters?
I have new insert plastics being made from a different material. It is a fancy coloured acrylic which is more translucent than the opaque old ones. Oh and also some new plastics too.
Thanks again chaps.
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Hey Spacies - Did you get all the bits you need or do you still need parts ?
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Hey Spacies - Did you get all the bits you need or do you still need parts ?
Um, not yet mate. I only just PMed ddstoys about the tent plastics. Do you have some? I may need a couple of pop caps.
I need to order some bits from RTBB. I will take a look tonight and post up what I was going to buy and what I am missing. I am quite keen to paint the plastics I was going to buy so I don't really need new ones, although they may be stronger than old ones.
Thanks :D
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Hmm, EM.
Electro Maniacal.
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This is absolutely unbelievable!
Well done and a great insight into what can be done with great talent, creativity and patience.
Well done!
J.D.
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Hey Spacies - Did you get all the bits you need or do you still need parts ?
Um, not yet mate. I only just PMed ddstoys about the tent plastics. Do you have some? I may need a couple of pop caps.
I need to order some bits from RTBB. I will take a look tonight and post up what I was going to buy and what I am missing. I am quite keen to paint the plastics I was going to buy so I don't really need new ones, although they may be stronger than old ones.
Thanks :D
I can help with second hand lane guides - I MAY have some "tent" ones left over from a Genie I did a while ago. After you have ordered, post what you need and we will get it sorted out ^^^
With the "tent" plastics - you will have to measure the distance between the holes the posts go through - either 2 1/2 inch or 2 1/8 inch.
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Hey spacies
How about Electro Madness - Madness runs with the crazy monsters driving those rad rods, do the lettering in a neon green colour perhaps
just my 2 cents...
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How about this?
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/backglass_alt_Vga.jpg?t=1267065768)
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Two thumbs up!
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Thanks :D
Here is a pic of the playfield
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/2010-02-20173202.jpg)
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Backglass looks great, so does the title ^^^
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How about this?
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/backglass_alt_Vga.jpg?t=1267065768)
FANTASTIC!!
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Pretty cool huh?!
Hey I made a change. A darker background with a gradient:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/backglass_alt_darksky_Vga.jpg)
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Very cool! ()
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Very cool! ()
LOVE YOUR WORK MAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome....
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Very good - on to a winner there!
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Thanks,
yeah its coming along now.
I made a couple of changes to the PF. I added a gradient as the background and some flames:
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/altPF_no_scan_Small.jpg)
Here is the mockup (in an actual Quick Draw of course <.>):
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/mockup2.jpg)
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Playfield looks awesome Spacies ^^^ , only one thing I dont quite think fits in is the Coop's 'smoking devils'. It is not drawn in the same cartooninsh style, and was not from the same era.
That said Coop is an unbelievable artist and I think you could easily do a pin with some of his other awesome images, sexy devilish women, etc.
For those of you not familiar with Coops work check out some it here: http://artofcoop.com/ (http://artofcoop.com/)
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Playfield looks awesome Spacies ^^^ , only one thing I dont quite think fits in is the Coop's 'smoking devils'. It is not drawn in the same cartooninsh style, and was not from the same era.
That said Coop is an unbelievable artist and I think you could easily do a pin with some of his other awesome images, sexy devilish women, etc.
For those of you not familiar with Coops work check out some it here: http://artofcoop.com/ (http://artofcoop.com/)
I agree, GONE!!!
(http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad208/spacies/Monster%20Pin/PF1_Medium.jpg)
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Cool, like the flame job *%*
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Cool, like the flame job *%*
:D, now I am looking at those pistons! LOL, must....stop...now.... ^&^