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Title: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 10:08:08 PM
do people smoke in your pinball room?
i have been considering a room dedicated to non-smoking for the sake of preserving my best pins.
i have cleaned so many cabs,and the nicotine that comes of them would kill a cat. %.%
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 10:13:34 PM
i really hate it when someone puts a lit cig on the glass and says it will clean off. ^.^
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Post by: Olivia_jason on April 19, 2012, 10:16:01 PM
screw an ashtray into the side of the pin. problem solved lol
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Boots on April 19, 2012, 10:22:41 PM
All of my machines are smoke free, chips free, icecream free, coke free, beer at a distance.
My uncle regularly smokes on his machine and when I need to look at something on it for him there is always ash on the lockdown mech - disgusting.
It also makes it way down into the lower cab.

I have lost count of the number of times I have stripped ctpanels from video games and had to scrape out old sticky Coke to get the buttons working again.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
your old wcs94 spining ball would make a good ashtray.lol.i have one too
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 10:27:58 PM
your old wcs94 spining ball would make a good ashtray.lol.i have one too

just line the inside with tinfoil
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 19, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
your old wcs94 spining ball would make a good ashtray.lol.i have one too

lol ahaha yer the old ball is prety shagged thats about all its good for. did you see on ebay a few months ago actuall ash trays for pinball machines ??? lol man i remember the days you could smoke any where. ashtrays in kmart, hospital waiting rooms and arcades. it seems like along time ago but it really wasnt lol, im only 30 and i remember being 15 as that was the legal age to buy smokes and i could smoke on the school buss with out getting in trouble ahahaha, the only problem for me was only 6 months into being 15 the law changed to 16 lol then i couldnt buy smokes for another 6 months, then the law changed when i turned 17 to 18 to buy smokes and then allot of the smoking laws started to come in lol now they are at some really wierd place only a few years later from being able to smoke every where to nowhere
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 10:48:38 PM
we are a dying breed.smoking suks &^&
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ddstoys on April 19, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
No smoking in my shed but only because I hate the smell of the shit.   Had an Elvira that smelt that badly of smoke I had to open up the shed and walk away for a few hours even after a strip and clean and two month waiting it still stink inside the cabinet
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 19, 2012, 11:16:06 PM
No smoking in my shed but only because I hate the smell of the shit.   Had an Elvira that smelt that badly of smoke I had to open up the shed and walk away for a few hours even after a strip and clean and two month waiting it still stink inside the cabinet

my old rock encore game that is in my shop smells of old cicuit boards and really really old smoke. you know the smell i mean, anything that old that is electronic has that smell lol, i actually like it some times i get an odd wiff of the machine when its on a hot day. its not over powering but its funny. it does have that old smoked electrical machine smell.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 19, 2012, 11:38:15 PM
ahh ,    ozone
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: elkor-alish on April 19, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
"Do people smoke in your pinball room?"

No way man, no one smokes anywhere near my machines!
If I had my way no one would smoke on my property at all.
Disgusting habit.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: goodolddays on April 20, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
In short No !
Even when I was a smoker (quit almost 12 months ago) , I didn't smoke around my games etiher.

No drinks allowed on them either
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Pinprick on April 20, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
 ()  . . . . . . . . . .

 %@#

I will smoke (cremate) any bastard who tries it.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ktm450 on April 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
No smoking or smokers in my house
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Caveoftreasures on April 20, 2012, 01:10:43 PM
Including me, no one smokes in my house, and never have.      Any visitors who do smoke go outside well away from the kids/pinballs etc ofcourse.

Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Greg on April 20, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
No smoking or smokers in my house


then I better make the trip down and pick those butts up............ ()
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Post by: Mr Pinbologist on April 20, 2012, 07:06:34 PM
No smoking allowed in my house or pin shed either  *.* *.*

If anyone comes here & asks "do u mind if i smoke?" i say "sure, do you mind if i FART?"  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Retropin on April 20, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
Does anyone smoke inside anymore??? I smoke but never indoors or near my machines.

Wasnt that long back that i sat inside the doctors waiting room ( as a kid) while all around me puffed away merrily... then again, i remember porn mags in the barbers too.
Never minded getting my hair cut
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: MartyJ on April 20, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
Geez I can remember people smoking on trains, restaurants etc...Heck I even remember when the supermarkets weren't allowed to sell meat after midday Saturday.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Retropin on April 20, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
Geez I can remember people smoking on trains, restaurants etc...Heck I even remember when the supermarkets weren't allowed to sell meat after midday Saturday.

WTF???? No meat on Saturday afternoon??? What friggin stupid rule is that? Bloody bizarre!
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ddstoys on April 20, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
Lmfao.  Went to repair a machine at a bike club recently and it was just like a pub when I was a kid blokes smoking drinking and talking shit.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: blue95 on April 21, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
No one smokes in my house. I would even be hesitant to buy a machine from somewhere that people smoke.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 21, 2012, 12:33:17 AM
Does anyone smoke inside anymore??? I smoke but never indoors or near my machines.

Wasnt that long back that i sat inside the doctors waiting room ( as a kid) while all around me puffed away merrily... then again, i remember porn mags in the barbers too.
Never minded getting my hair cut

yer i smoke inside my house. im in qld so windows are open all the time lol, its not a smoky house.
some people lock their doors and windows and you walk into a smoke chamber, but i would suspect they smoke more than siggy's lol

one thing that is very suprising to me, its not socially exceptable to come into a venue like our take away and smoke, and not only that its against the law and all that is fine and understandable, however it seems ok for people to walk into our shop and crack open an alcoholic beverage and sit there and drink??? our shop is not a pub it is not licenced to be byo. i can be fined it is drinking in public and yet i have to tell at least a dozan people a week to not drink in the shop or in our outside table as we will be fined a huge crazy amount of money and there are kids around. but the looks and comments i get for having a smoke on the bench from people who are walking out of the bottleo next door with enough alcohole to kill a rino lol, had a bloke stumbling around drunk get up me once cos my smoke blew his way lol, i told him my smoke is the least of his problems.

one thing i have aproblem wit his people thinking every body who smokes is a dirty stinky unhygenic filth bag.
It would be like me saying every body who has drink is a wife beating raging alcoholic.
neither are true
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: elkor-alish on April 21, 2012, 03:09:46 AM
one thing i have aproblem wit his people thinking every body who smokes is a dirty stinky unhygenic filth bag.
It would be like me saying every body who has drink is a wife beating raging alcoholic.
neither are true

And yet smoking is a dirty, stinking, unhygienic and filthy habit, go figure.  !@#
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: millsy on April 21, 2012, 06:28:33 AM
And while you are sitting outside on your bench having a cig, people will complain about the cig smoke - Then a bus or truck will go past belching out carcinogenic exhaust fumes ^&^.
Worked in a auto mechanical workshop with no ventilation - If I wanted a smoke,had to light up  on the street then I went back to the smoke filled workshop  !@#
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Boots on April 21, 2012, 09:51:40 AM
Non-Smokers: Smoking is a filthy disgusting habit
Smokers: Boo-hoo other people don't want me to smoke

At the end of the day cigarette smoke, ash, yellow staining will all affect the look and possibly performance of your pinball and therefore the value.
So why the hell would you let people smoke around any of your machines?
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 21, 2012, 10:13:16 AM
one thing i have aproblem wit his people thinking every body who smokes is a dirty stinky unhygenic filth bag.
It would be like me saying every body who has drink is a wife beating raging alcoholic.
neither are true

And yet smoking is a dirty, stinking, unhygienic and filthy habit, go figure.  !@#

so is drinking do you do that??? you would have more chance of being hit by a drunk driver than you would die from secondhand smoke. im a none drinker let me tell you a dickhead stumbling around all arrogant each and every day is more annoying and worrying than a tiny wiff of smoke.
you dont have a high horse to stand on if you too have a habbit
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Caveoftreasures on April 21, 2012, 10:24:00 AM
The original thread asked a yes or no question guys about smoking in a gamesroom or not.

** the thread wasnt meant to be a character assasination of smokers, or the habit. 

and yes, people who cant hold their alcohol can be extremely annoying.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: 48 on April 21, 2012, 11:13:00 AM
Waiting for this thread to be closed &&
I love the way people these days tell everyone how to live and what they should or shouldn't do.
Is everyone a left-wing socialist nowadays?
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ajlaird on April 21, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
Heh heh, if you want to kill yourself by smoking or over-drinking please do it without affecting others...

Unfortunately it is very difficult to achieve this without placing a burden on the hospital system.

Then again, if you over-eat or probably participate in a number of activities you can end up in the same situation, so I guess it is unfair to target the burden on the hospital system. That's why we pay taxes.

Anyway, I don't think I would like anyone smoking in the shed, they can smoke outside.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: braddo on April 21, 2012, 12:39:22 PM
While I'm a non smoker (I quit a fair while back can't even remember the date to be honest), I don't mind smoking or drinking around my machines. My machines are 70's and it's part of the culture, tobacco stains on the cab gives character. !^!

Just repainted part of a SM$M cab, and I'm partly relying on tobacco stains and dust to settle into the paint to match the original %.% %.% <.>
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: johnwartjr on April 21, 2012, 01:36:47 PM
There's no smoking in my home, period.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Greg on April 21, 2012, 01:42:38 PM
Geez I can remember people smoking on trains, restaurants etc...Heck I even remember when the supermarkets weren't allowed to sell meat after midday Saturday.


I can remember when the front bar was men only in hotels
my mom used to send me in to get my Dad

Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 21, 2012, 01:44:43 PM
Heh heh, if you want to kill yourself by smoking or over-drinking please do it without affecting others...

Unfortunately it is very difficult to achieve this without placing a burden on the hospital system.

Then again, if you over-eat or probably participate in a number of activities you can end up in the same situation, so I guess it is unfair to target the burden on the hospital system. That's why we pay taxes.

Anyway, I don't think I would like anyone smoking in the shed, they can smoke outside.
if the government really thought to treat smokers was above the revenue of smoking tax creates they would ban it, at the end of the day us smokers are tax paying machines and the government makes a tonne of cash from us. If anything smokers save you none smokers allot of taxes. You think when the gov wants to get more revenue they increase tax on siggies, wonders what they would tax to death if they banned smoking?
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Greg on April 21, 2012, 02:09:01 PM
Heh heh, if you want to kill yourself by smoking or over-drinking please do it without affecting others...

Unfortunately it is very difficult to achieve this without placing a burden on the hospital system.

Then again, if you over-eat or probably participate in a number of activities you can end up in the same situation, so I guess it is unfair to target the burden on the hospital system. That's why we pay taxes.

Anyway, I don't think I would like anyone smoking in the shed, they can smoke outside.
if the government really thought to treat smokers was above the revenue of smoking tax creates they would ban it, at the end of the day us smokers are tax paying machines and the government makes a tonne of cash from us. If anything smokers save you none smokers allot of taxes. You think when the gov wants to get more revenue they increase tax on siggies, wonders what they would tax to death if they banned smoking?

+!

and the the Answer- they will simply raise taxes on drinkers
or
now that they are considering making certain drugs legal.............why........... the potential for tax





Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: mildflame on April 21, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
This is what I helped dad do today; politics, smoke, drug, beer and fume free room!
This is the only smoke free room and will hold the most collectable/expencive machines (that fit through the door)
1/4 rooms are now smoke free. In this big house I don't blame dad for not going outside as long as the window stays open... its a 2 minute walk outside! lol

I'll update dads lounge room pics later today or tomorrow for nosey peekers
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Strangeways on April 21, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
I don't smoke, but I don't tell others to stop smoking. It's their lungs, not mine. Does it clog up Hospitals ? Maybe. But I'd be more worried about Drugs and Alcohol. All three leads to disease. But then again, there are Grandmas that smoke all their lives and they are in their 80's.

Each to their own. No one smokes in my house, there are places outside with ash trays provided. Enjoy life  *%*

I'm off to play pinball and have a couple of beers  ^^^
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Retropin on April 21, 2012, 07:48:10 PM
You cant win..... smoke and die earlier...
Live much longer and die in a nursing home, shaking, demented having your arse wiped.

Both are a drain on the system... looks like old people are to blame then eh?

...Oh.. apart from those who knock off due to a heart attack.. still working... gone suddenly... leave all Super behind
The system and public cannot complain about this group
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: elkor-alish on April 21, 2012, 08:27:26 PM
one thing i have aproblem wit his people thinking every body who smokes is a dirty stinky unhygenic filth bag.
It would be like me saying every body who has drink is a wife beating raging alcoholic.
neither are true

And yet smoking is a dirty, stinking, unhygienic and filthy habit, go figure.  !@#

so is drinking do you do that??? you would have more chance of being hit by a drunk driver than you would die from secondhand smoke. im a none drinker let me tell you a dickhead stumbling around all arrogant each and every day is more annoying and worrying than a tiny wiff of smoke.
you dont have a high horse to stand on if you too have a habbit

No High Horses here but for your info, no I don't drink.
I was just pointing out that your argument was a little flawed.
My only habit is a pinball addiction and that doesn't hurt me or slowly kill me or anyone else.
I did try smoking when I was 16 and quickly stopped when I realised how stupid it was and that it damaged my health.
I couldn't see the point of it, knowing how bad it is for you. Guess I wasn't as cool as the other kiddies.

The reason that the Government taxes it so highly is to help pay for all the smoking related medical issues our hospitals have to deal with, and to try and discourage people from doing it.
How much do you think all those Quit Smoking adds cost?
If the Government wants you to do it, why are they drafting legislation to bring in plain packaging to again discourage people.

If you're silly enough to do it knowing what it does to you, then go crazy, just don't do it near me or my machines.  *%*
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 21, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
"The reason that the Government taxes it so highly is to help pay for all the smoking related medical issues our hospitals have to deal with, and to try and discourage people from doing it.
How much do you think all those Quit Smoking adds cost?
If the Government wants you to do it, why are they drafting legislation to bring in plain packaging to again discourage people."


looking at the fed budget of 2010-11
after the 25% increase that was sold as stopping people from smoking and to discourage people from future smoking here are the figures,
$5 billion extra to the federal budget on top of what was already being collected prior to the smoking tax increase.
$27.8 million of that was for anti smoking campaigns and quitline. they also reduced internet advertising for quit smoking in the same budget from the previous year.
where did the rest of that money go? into the budget for spending on other things.
this money is being used on you also.

edit>
i just had another look, as i read some where smoking will cost us $33b from smoking, including social cost to the economy, but i looked again that is the projected outlook over a ten year period starting from 2005.

edit> again, ok ive reread the budget again, and rectified figures..
where i went wrong is i took that increase as annually the projections are actually over 4 years. so the gov makes $25 billion over 4 years after the increase in the 210/11 budget. so over ten years smoking tax makes an estimated $62b. and the cost for smoking and social costs over 10 years is $33b. thought i better rectify that, still a massive profit for the gov.

if you remember correctly the plain packaging was only introduced because of pressure from the greens, and to get it to pass through the senate, the reason for that was because the greens were angry only $27.8 million of the $5b dollars was being spent to actually stop smoking, so they went with plain packaging. N Rocson who was health minister at the time said she was against plain packaging and later changed her mind to push the tax increase through, as prior to that it was seen as a huge moneyy grab for a gov who wasted billions of dollars, in other words smokers saved none smokers from more tax.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: studley67 on April 21, 2012, 10:44:30 PM
can i please,juyla,have my million back. &^&
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: coon82 on April 21, 2012, 10:46:30 PM
Our home's smoke free. I wouldn't let anyone smoke in my games room or anywhere in the house. but it never comes up as an issue. The people in my circle of friends and family just do the right thing by popping outside for a few minutes.

Ultimately it's an individuals choice to smoke or not, but obviously it's not as widely accepted as in the past.

It doesn't worry me if someone chooses to smoke, but a smoker should respect those that don't want to be around it to avoid being exposed to second hand smoking.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: roundball on April 21, 2012, 11:03:03 PM
Do bongs count..?  Or are we talking about ciggies only..?
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 21, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Our home's smoke free. I wouldn't let anyone smoke in my games room or anywhere in the house. but it never comes up as an issue. The people in my circle of friends and family just do the right thing by popping outside for a few minutes.

Ultimately it's an individuals choice to smoke or not, but obviously it's not as widely accepted as in the past.

It doesn't worry me if someone chooses to smoke, but a smoker should respect those that don't want to be around it to avoid being exposed to second hand smoking.

agree. no smoker should come into your house smoking, im sure 99% do with out even a bit of thought abide by that, and if they dont they arent really your friends imo. my posts arent to say people should smoke around others who dont smoke, i think smoking around children esp indoors is stupid and wrong, smoking in some ones house who isnt a smoker is stupid and disrespectful, im sure every smoker here agrees with that, i do think however people should mind their own business on what others do. and i should say that fella putting his siggy on the glass of studley's pin is way way out of line, not because of the fact he is smoking as such but just out of total respect for some one else's property.
i even smoke out side if i have mates or family who hate the smell of smoke when over for a dinner. unless its a fight night. fight night is fair game lol and my mates understand that rule, esp when im paying for the main event. lol, but there are so many people who over react to just a wiff of smoke in a very open space. and that shits me to tears, in the grand scheme of things its something that should be of very little concern. in an area that is smoke free and some one smokes scream about it al lyou want as that is more than fair to get upset about imo
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Replay on April 22, 2012, 12:57:14 AM
Do bongs count..?  Or are we talking about ciggies only..?

 %.%
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: pinnies4me on April 22, 2012, 01:26:33 AM
Interesting read, especially for me being an ex-smoker. I know how hard it is to give up, the lies you tell yourself and others, and how under-rated the real extent of the addiction is.
 
When I smoked it was always outside, so I could never imagine smoking inside at someone else's place.

It was odd at the Formula 1 this year when a fellow lit up in our stand - I haven't seen anyone flaunt the rules like that in years. People sat there not knowing what to do they were so stunned by this guy smoking there.

We were talking on the footy bus back last night about the early days (we've had a bus of our own to the games for 25 years this year), and how we even smoked on the bus in the early years, I can remember smoking then as well (no kids back then, lots now).

The tax is well in excess of the estimated cost to the health system, its no different to the tax on petrol - nothing like what is gathered is spent on road infrastructure. It's just become part of the consolidated revenue.

Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: goodolddays on April 22, 2012, 10:28:11 AM
Do bongs count..?  Or are we talking about ciggies only..?

 :lol I was waiting for that one  %.%
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: goodolddays on April 22, 2012, 10:32:18 AM

The tax is well in excess of the estimated cost to the health system, its no different to the tax on petrol - nothing like what is gathered is spent on road infrastructure. It's just become part of the consolidated revenue.



Funny how this used to annoy me when I was a smoker but not now .
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: GORGAR 1 on April 22, 2012, 10:33:28 AM
No Way but having said that I don't really know any smokers...


Peter
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: PinPal on April 22, 2012, 11:13:52 AM
I don't smoke but if I get guests over to play a game or two I tell them to go outside to smoke.
The windex gets a bashing after they leave to get there grubby finger marks of my playfield glass.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Homepin on April 22, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
No one smokes past my front gate!
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Caveoftreasures on April 22, 2012, 12:48:51 PM
I think it best i stay out of the smoking argument.lol  its about games rooms n smoke, not about smoking which is what i said earlier in the thread.lol

Its about pinball, not about smoking. Its too easy to jump on the pro or against band wagon. No one is right or wrong. As long as the pinball machines are happy, and kept safe ne sound etc, it doesnt really matter either way.lol
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Caveoftreasures on April 22, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
Also, I wanted to add, my mum is 70 yrs old, she has been smoking for 55 years, and never got sick once or been to hospital for it etc, so there are people who do smoke heavily for 55 yrs and it doesnt affect squat, so go figure. Its a weird world. lol
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 22, 2012, 01:13:03 PM

The tax is well in excess of the estimated cost to the health system, its no different to the tax on petrol - nothing like what is gathered is spent on road infrastructure. It's just become part of the consolidated revenue.



Funny how this used to annoy me when I was a smoker but not now .
 it doesn't annoy me that it's taxed to crap, but it does annoy me when peoPle say smokers don't pull their weight, as for long waiting lists that would be down to gov over smokers problem. As shown above the gov makes close too $62b from smokers over ten years yet the cost smoking to the health system is $35b over ten years according to the budget. So if that money was being used on hospitals not ahit like $44b broadband networks you could be happy people smoke lol. Saves none smokers alot tax, host portals being over crowded is government failings as explained smoking revenue is big enough to solve many of those issues. Smokers can't be blamed for everything, but hey why not treat smokers who getill. Or the stupid kid who breaks his arm frOm riding a skate board because it's dangerous. The truth of the matter is a smoker pays $1600 a year on average more tax than some one else on the same wage who is a none smoker. If they weren't being taxed that much you would be
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: pinnies4me on April 22, 2012, 01:31:02 PM

The tax is well in excess of the estimated cost to the health system, its no different to the tax on petrol - nothing like what is gathered is spent on road infrastructure. It's just become part of the consolidated revenue.



Funny how this used to annoy me when I was a smoker but not now .
 it doesn't annoy me that it's taxed to crap, but it does annoy me when peoPle say smokers don't pull their weight, as for long waiting lists that would be down to gov over smokers problem. As shown above the gov makes close too $62b from smokers over ten years yet the cost smoking to the health system is $35b over ten years according to the budget. So if that money was being used on hospitals not ahit like $44b broadband networks you could be happy people smoke lol. Saves none smokers alot tax, host portals being over crowded is government failings as explained smoking revenue is big enough to solve many of those issues. Smokers can't be blamed for everything, but hey why not treat smokers who getill. Or the stupid kid who breaks his arm frOm riding a skate board because it's dangerous. The truth of the matter is a smoker pays $1600 a year on average more tax than some one else on the same wage who is a none smoker. If they weren't being taxed that much you would be


There's a constant debate over the tax vs. costs between the scare mongerers and the tobacco industry - not exactly an industry that's trustworthy!!

But, at it's simplest, the tax on fags is 62.5% (excise plus GST). Someone spending $20.00 a day smoking pays $4500.00 extra tax a year.  That's more than I pay for private health cover.

Anyway, back on topic, and sorry for mentioning the tax issue originally as it is a hotly debated area but best not debated here.

No smoking in my pinball room!
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Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Retropin on April 22, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
LOL...its all the smokers clogging up the waiting list... what a crock of shit you got fed.
I needed an op for arse grapes a while back... 3 year waiting list... bugger all to do with smoking.. everything to do with a neglected health system
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 22, 2012, 01:40:21 PM
I'm not using lobby figures I'm using gov bUdget figures. The $33-35b figure was first recorded in 2005 under tOny Abbott when health minister, when he first introduced images on packages. It was for projected 10 year period. Anti tabasco lobiest use that figure them selves but almost always forget to explain its time period. The figures of renenue of tax is from Wayne swans 10-11 budget after increasing smoking tax by $5b over 4 years. Hope that helPs
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Caveoftreasures on April 22, 2012, 01:41:50 PM
arse grapes, Gav you are a crack up.   %.% %.% %.%
 
I have heard them called speed bumps or a pain in the ass before, but never arse grapes.lol  %.% %.% %.%

and yes, that pain will turn even the worlds best meat lovers into vegetarians over night.lol  @.@ @.@ @.@  %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Olivia_jason on April 22, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
arse grapes, Gav you are a crack up.   %.% %.% %.%
 
I have heard them called speed bumps or a pain in the ass before, but never arse grapes.lol  %.% %.% %.%

and yes, that pain will turn even the worlds best meat lovers into vegetarians over night.lol  @.@ @.@ @.@  %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%

ahahaha. Lol. Just don't bite your nails if you have those sort Of grapes
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ktm450 on April 23, 2012, 10:26:27 AM
No smoking or smokers in my house


then I better make the trip down and pick those butts up............ ()

Thats ok mate, the dogs have probably eaten them by now  *)*
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Greg on April 23, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
No smoking or smokers in my house


then I better make the trip down and pick those butts up............ ()

Thats ok mate, the dogs have probably eaten them by now  *)*

thats good as I was going to ask Nick to do the deed
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: ktm450 on April 23, 2012, 09:01:01 PM
No smoking or smokers in my house


then I better make the trip down and pick those butts up............ ()

Thats ok mate, the dogs have probably eaten them by now  *)*

thats good as I was going to ask Nick to do the deed


 :lol I'm sure he would have loved to do that for you
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Replay on May 05, 2012, 08:54:56 PM
Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?

wouldnt hear of it!
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Cow Corner on May 05, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
I do not discriminate....but........
I always say smokes...bongs..crack pipes...needles etc...outa the game room.
Title: Re: do people smoke in your pinball room?
Post by: Replay on May 06, 2012, 01:17:41 AM
head to the nearest dark alley  :D