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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: swinks on August 27, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
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Rumours are starting about JJP next pin being a non-licensed haunted house style theme.
Multiple levels, killer artwork, great music and sound effects.
DEnnis Nordman and Greg Ferres did state a while again that Greg had a game 2/3 designed and it be the No:2 JJP machine.
In theory even though JJP hasn't released WOZ yet the design team would be in the thick of it with their next machine.
I could be very tempted by this - just have to keep an eye out and wait.
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Sounds really interesting, and they would be well progressed into the next design as you say.
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This sounds very promising, lets hope the rumors turn out to be true.
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Elvira's Haunted Mansion. ^^^
Useless trivia: Pin2000 title number 4 was going to be a haunted house themed pinball called Dreadmoor Manor, but the bean counters at Williams (Neil Nicastro) decided that "sex sells" and changed it to Playboy.
Following in WOZ's foosteps, how about this?
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Elvira's Haunted Mansion. ^^^
On one of the Spooky Pinball podcasts they spoke to Elvira and she indicated that she gave the ok to be in a JJP pinball. ^^^
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IMO This would be a MUCH better theme than Oz - Oz is just so lame.......
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Is there any source on this rumour yet? Saw the same info on pinside - but nothing concrete yet.
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Elvira's Haunted Mansion. ^^^
On one of the Spooky Pinball podcasts they spoke to Elvira and she indicated that she gave the ok to be in a JJP pinball. ^^^
I heard that podcast too, Elvira 3 was in the pipeline.
They have probally listened to Charlies constant whinging about wanting a haunted zombie themed pinball, now he is involved with doing all the cabinet artwork
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IMO This would be a MUCH better theme than Oz - Oz is just so lame.......
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I have always thought WOZ was a excellent theme. There is nothing out there at all in the pinball world even close to it. That makes it unique.
Unique is better than something that has been done over n over again.
The next JJP design, being something haunted etc, will be fine if it is unique and not just another remake.
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IMO This would be a MUCH better theme than Oz - Oz is just so lame.......
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Bring on number 2 pinball Jack hope this thread is close to the theme.
Peter <..>
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I have always thought WOZ was a excellent theme. There is nothing out there at all in the pinball world even close to it. That makes it unique.
Unique is better than something that has been done over n over again.
The next JJP design, being something haunted etc, will be fine if it is unique and not just another remake.
How is it unique besides from the lcd and a new software system?
It is another movie based pin after all and not a stand alone theme.
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...behind that door.
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I have always thought WOZ was a excellent theme. There is nothing out there at all in the pinball world even close to it. That makes it unique.
Unique is better than something that has been done over n over again.
The next JJP design, being something haunted etc, will be fine if it is unique and not just another remake.
How is it unique besides from the lcd and a new software system?
It is another movie based pin after all and not a stand alone theme.
Can u show me another Wizard of Oz pinball that has been released before. ?
If the answer is NO, then the current WOZ machine coming out is UNIQUE !
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I have always thought WOZ was a excellent theme. There is nothing out there at all in the pinball world even close to it. That makes it unique.
Unique is better than something that has been done over n over again.
The next JJP design, being something haunted etc, will be fine if it is unique and not just another remake.
.. and thank God there is nothing else like it !
I'm hoping the next theme is more in tune with what people would really like, and not another lame title.
Horror themes with a bit of humor are always a good idea. Stand alone theme will be the best idea.
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Dont forget WOZ has sold close to over 1500 units. More importantly, Its not a lame title to over 1500 people who have laid down money on it.
If it wasnt for Wizard of OZ, JJP may not be looking at a second title. That 1500 WOZ sales cemented JJP's future. and 1500 units so far, before its even released. If it gets alot of positivity after its released, which i reckon it will, I reckon they might sell more than 2000 or even 2500, who knows.
Good times ahead with a great mix of different themes, more the merrier.
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I have always thought WOZ was a excellent theme. There is nothing out there at all in the pinball world even close to it. That makes it unique.
Unique is better than something that has been done over n over again.
The next JJP design, being something haunted etc, will be fine if it is unique and not just another remake.
How is it unique besides from the lcd and a new software system?
It is another movie based pin after all and not a stand alone theme.
Can u show me another Wizard of Oz pinball that has been released before. ?
If the answer is NO, then the current WOZ machine coming out is UNIQUE !
That makes every other stand alone movie themed pin unique as well.
Your argument is flawed.
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I've said it many times before but there are heaps of pins with a sucky theme that are actually great players.
I wouldn't have picked WoZ as a first choice for a pin but with the 1500+ sales, obviously enough people like it to warrant it being produced.
I think that no matter what pin is produced there are going to be people that bag the hell out of it.
"I hate the theme", "Why won't they make one we like?", "They know we want a non-licensed theme so why won't they make one?" blah, blah....
I'm just glad that someone is still making them.
I think that all of the rumored pins sound great because it means that more pins are going to be made and in all likelihood more will come after.
I do love the idea of another Elvira.
Yeah its been done but both of the previous Elvira machines were great games and I'd love to see where they take the theme for the next one.
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looks like it won't be Nordman's unlicensed theme pin as he has finished up at JJP unfortunately. That's Freres and Nordman in the last 2 weeks, I know they were contracted but you would think get pins 2 & 3 underway so they can turn out the pins out a little faster.
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/jjp-nordman?replies=15#post-408073
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Swinks, the software is taking a long time to do because not only are they writing the game software, they are also writing the operating software for a new system and hardware
Big task for only one guy
This should be better with future games as the hard work will have already been done
Jack should have hired more programmers and had them working on it sooner
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Not knocking him, as what he has done from the ground up is amazing, WOZ isn't for me and Hobbit isn't going to my thinhg but love what he has released so far so was hoping for a unlicensed to put a deposit on. Yeah understand the software and the lcd programming would be a huge amount of work.
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With the quality coming out of Stern at the moment, its JJP who should be worried, not Stern which everyone has said was going to be left behind.
Since WOZ has dragged on for so very long, JJP will need to bring something else amazing to the table for number 2 machine, and convince people they can build and deliver it by mid 2013 so people put deposits down.
**Given Stern are about to release 2 more amazing machines over n above the X Men Title of the Pro and the X Men LE, JJP have even more catching up to do. By the time JJP number 2 gets here, Sterns X Men pins, Avengers Pro and LE and at least one more title from Stern would have hit the market. Its making WOZ release look old hat already. Stern is on fire and raging away with some great design and manufacturing. 2012 and 2013 will be Sterns best 2 years ever by the looks of it.
JJP should be emergency stations working frantically to just keep up with Gary Sterns pace. Lets see what happens.
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Was it ever stated that Jack was going to bring out more than one title per year?
With the quality coming out of Stern at the moment, its JJP who should be worried, not Stern which everyone has said was going to be left behind.
I think you mean ‘quantity’ not ‘quality’
I know Ironman was a long time ago, but I assume Stern is still printing highly pixilated cabinets
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Was it ever stated that Jack was going to bring out more than one title per year?
With the quality coming out of Stern at the moment, its JJP who should be worried, not Stern which everyone has said was going to be left behind.
I think you mean ‘quantity’ not ‘quality’
I know Ironman was a long time ago, but I assume Stern is still printing highly pixilated cabinets
And for that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever... you can only print to the quality of the file and if you cant be bothered to make a quality file for a cabinet some 1300mm long then it just shows how little you care. Ive just put up a 14 metres by 1200mm print... even at very close up there is no pixelation whatsoever.
Why STERN use low res files is beyond me
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I like the cab on Ironman, even with the pixelation.
I appreciate that some don't but it really doesn't bother me besides you play the game not the cab.
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Was it ever stated that Jack was going to bring out more than one title per year?
With the quality coming out of Stern at the moment, its JJP who should be worried, not Stern which everyone has said was going to be left behind.
I think you mean ‘quantity’ not ‘quality’
I know Ironman was a long time ago, but I assume Stern is still printing highly pixilated cabinets
There is no pixalation on the new X Men at all. The quality is amazing. AC/DC cab art was terriffic.
Sterns machines are top quality at the moment and AC/DC was the first of the new range that is dramatically better than the previous offerings. Since STERN Pinball took a large capital injection from that investment banking company in the USA and sold 40 percent of its shares/business etc and got some outside $$, things have never looked so good. No one can seriously say the quality from top to bottom of the X Men range has any short comings. You wait n see, the next few Stern offerings should blow people away. Look at a X Men Pro and u will see the $$ invested here already. The new offerings will be be Sterns best from now on and I dont think JJP really did anything, cause Gary took the capital and made some big changes before JJP announced itself.
Stern are going great guns. No one is perfect yet, but Stern is trying real hard and i respect them for that. Everyone from Stern is fired up. Reading emails from Stern peoples I have dealt with and the passion oozes from these guys. I reckon we have some special times ahead. I am now a big STERN convert. Apart from some small teething problems with the AC/DC Le models, and only a handful, everything elae has been excellent. There are alot of very happy repeat Stern customers out there, incl a few on AP. JJP will have to pull rabbits out bigtime soon or they will lose all momentum in the market place. Alot of people have already lost the shine cause WOZ has dragged out by alot. It will still be good, but waiting a little too long sometimes gives a customer less desire to be so quick to spend again. Time will tell. Long Live Pinball.lol We need Stern, we need JJP.
I think Stern is healthy and has a very bright future. Hope JJP/Jack doesnt get discouraged. Hope they all stay fired up.
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Swinks, the software is taking a long time to do because not only are they writing the game software, they are also writing the operating software for a new system and hardware
Big task for only one guy
This should be better with future games as the hard work will have already been done
Jack should have hired more programmers and had them working on it sooner
Unsure - but doesnt reading that about "part" of a business model make anyone else make anyone else concerned about the 'back up ' end of this business once a game is released and starts to have issues !@#
Will that area have 'one guy' as well *!@
Will the 'one' warranty, parts, service guy be able to keep up
Has there been any discussion on this?
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Wotto, Jack has had years of experience selling parts and providing warrenties
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Was it ever stated that Jack was going to bring out more than one title per year?
With the quality coming out of Stern at the moment, its JJP who should be worried, not Stern which everyone has said was going to be left behind.
I think you mean ‘quantity’ not ‘quality’
I know Ironman was a long time ago, but I assume Stern is still printing highly pixilated cabinets
Could he survive on only bringing out 1 pinball a year? sold 1500 units really? not sure how many after the release he will sell the theme will hurt this game I'm convinced, alot are waiting for theme 2 including me.
Peter ^^^
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Swinks, the software is taking a long time to do because not only are they writing the game software, they are also writing the operating software for a new system and hardware
Big task for only one guy
This should be better with future games as the hard work will have already been done
Jack should have hired more programmers and had them working on it sooner
Unsure - but doesnt reading that about "part" of a business model make anyone else make anyone else concerned about the 'back up ' end of this business once a game is released and starts to have issues !@#
Will that area have 'one guy' as well *!@
Will the 'one' warranty, parts, service guy be able to keep up
Has there been any discussion on this?
Just like AMD carry quite a few spares for its STERN pinball games, wouldnt the Australian dealer for JJP have various bits n pieces issued to it incase of a warranty claim etc. Just like car dealerships with new sales out front, and spare parts n servicing dept side by side out back ready n stocked for any hassles.
I cant see a issue with any JJP warranty. The machine should be tested to death before it leaves, and if any hassles occur, its only a phonecall or email away from the problem getting fixed. These new pinballs from STERN are very robust so I cant see JJP's machines being any different really.
Hurry up Xmas, hurry up Wizard of OZ. Hurry up with a new mod to change out those red shoe flipper bats to something else.lol
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But the ruby slipper work with the playfield art
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%)%pinball heaven uk announces on their facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pinballheaven
It states here they take pre-orders on the Hobbit LE for production 2014
Maybe I can wait to the No:3 pin, 2016
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%)%pinball heaven uk announces on their facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pinballheaven
It states here they take pre-orders on the Hobbit LE for production 2014
Maybe I can wait to the No:3 pin, 2016
Is that a pin every 2 years? too long hey?
Peter
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%)%pinball heaven uk announces on their facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pinballheaven
It states here they take pre-orders on the Hobbit LE for production 2014
Maybe I can wait to the No:3 pin, 2016
Is that a pin every 2 years? too long hey?
Peter
Won't take that long for machines after WOZ as they were setting up production facilities etc. That's all done now. I'd say a machine per year ?
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It's just a bummer with the theme - I am really liking what he is doing and putting into a pin as a whole package but WOZ and then the Hobbit - not really my thing - was really hoping on a haunted house non license. About a year ago Elvira had chats with JJP and there was rumours...
We will just have to wait and see but agree with Nino probably 1 a year. 1 every 2 years is too long but he has had to create a business not just a pin.
Strange that JJP did not make the announcement but maybe they were concerned if they went out to take orders on the next one - could of been a backlash ???
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It's just a bummer with the theme - I am really liking what he is doing and putting into a pin as a whole package but WOZ and then the Hobbit - not really my thing - was really hoping on a haunted house non license. About a year ago Elvira had chats with JJP and there was rumours...
We will just have to wait and see but agree with Nino probably 1 a year. 1 every 2 years is too long but he has had to create a business not just a pin.
Strange that JJP did not make the announcement but maybe they were concerned if they went out to take orders on the next one - could of been a backlash ???
who made Lord of the rings pinball?
i do agree on a non licenced theme would have been better, but in Hobits defence the movie will be massive just like Lord of the rings.
i wont buy that theme for home but i am thinking about buying one to site
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LOTR, The Hobitt, its all been done to death...but it has been a while since LOTR was done by Stern, and this is where the 26 inch LCD will attract kids over to the machine if the machine is onsite....with various video action clips etc...I am still ho hum about the Hobitt cause it is too much like something that has been done to death...like LOTR 1, 2, 3 7, 25 and so on.lol just like the 20 versions of Harry Potter, Twilight movies snnnrrrr fests, even action Superman movies, like all this stuff which just gets refried up every 3 to 5 years...where is the new
menu for gods sake..its all rehashed to buggery...
I have said it countless times, but what about a really cool sci-fi alien style edgey pinball machine (if Prometheus had of been made with more action n less weirdo mind spin etc)...even a really cool pinball in its day could have been something like the matrix, but still not alien/sci fi enough for me..
JJP will not survive on 1 x pinball machine per year, not a chance, even 2 x machines a year will be in my opinion putting him in the red...Stern has averaged always 3 to 4 titles per year since 1999, and dont forget,. they do LE versions and sometimes the Premium, so JJP will have to lift its production goals n results alot higher, and people will not wait like they did with WOZ which was fair given all the set ups etc...JJP,they had a get out of jail free card with setiing up n tooling up plus building a production line (although none of its finished yet) but it wont be an accepted excuse for the next few years....not unless u make machines that knock peoples socks off...this will still have to be playfield/toy/shot wise dependant..hidden alien technology in cabinets doesnt count when the fun factor is calculated by playfield alone...
Time for some serious decision making and for JJP to start really investing alot more heavily than he has thought about doing in the past if he is to even come close to making Gary Stern toss n turn at night, which I dont think has even come close to happening as yet....
The Hobbit....wow....just doesnt grab me by the balls at all...and for 6 or 7 grand, I want my balls yanked hard to reach into my pockets for any BNIB title...also, we need more movies from friggin Hollywood..they are another major letdown, most movies these days are piss weak and that predictable as well.....why is everything dumbed down....what happened to taking risks with something hard n fast n sci-fi etc...
I will do a thread on licenced versus unlicenced titles cause I have correllated some interesting figures that will surprise alot of people...it even surprised me and i am a believer that unlicenced themes have always been over rated in peoples belief systems that they sell better...will post that tonight for anyone wanting to read another Cavey spanish inquisition.lol %.% %.%
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The Hobbit....wow....just doesnt grab me by the balls at all
yer i agree with this, shame we dont have more options, if your right about needing more than one pin a year then theres hope for another theme hopefully,
the Hobbit is more palatable than Woz theme, but if i was to buy it i think it would be because of JJP's innovation rather than theme, but i know it would site well in my shop so i may consider it, although i would much rather a none licensed theme like many others have stated, then ill have to make a decision of if i want one for the shop or home.
but i bet if JJP didnt get the license for this theme Stern would have done it.
I bet it pisses stern off big time they dont have that license, because no one can deny this is a title they would have built.
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Won't take that long for machines after WOZ as they were setting up production facilities etc. That's all done now. I'd say a machine per year ?
I am seeing that 'The Hobbit' is expected July 2014
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That's only 18 months away....
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It is a bit suss when Jack is asking to a deposit an first payment for "the hobbit " before any one received their WoZ
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From bad to WORSE!
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I am almost wondering if the cash has run out an the only way to get WoZs out ybe door is to get funds for "the hobbit"
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I am almost wondering if the cash has run out an the only way to get WoZs out ybe door is to get funds for "the hobbit"
Very much doubt the cash has run out but to ask for $8K for whats in his head - AGAIN is a bit rich. No Jack - we havent seen what JJP can do as noone has a game yet.. YES we have seen the window dressing but bling doesnt make a great pin - GAME PLAY does. Apart from a handful of people at USA shows this game still has not been road tested, and even then it had to be hauled off for repair constantly ( PPE) and then unfinished at subsequent shows.
Anyway - who cares about a numbered LE game? Appreciated that the LE WOZ will increase in value and should be a good investment being JJP#1 machine... but game #2?? Neither here nor there really.
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I think Jack is throwing out the line before Gary releases Avengers .
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I think Jack is throwing out the line before Gary releases Avengers .
I think it just helped Gary sell more Avengers.lol
Who wants a Stern widebody ? !@#
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I think Jack is throwing out the line before Gary releases Avengers .
Who wants a Stern widebody ? !@#
No thanks, not a big fan of widebody pins.
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See
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=8110.0
For discussion regarding the Hobbit pinball