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Title: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on August 07, 2013, 10:24:02 AM
I have been considering building a mame pinball for a while and when I say the potential of the bar being risen with the incredible graphics of Pro Pinball, I am even more keen as there are going to be designing a pinball cabinet view.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/500643708/pro-pinball-timeshock-the-ultra-edition-0

I am wondering who here has one of these and who has built their own?


Also cabinet won't be a issue and as for controls you could use one of these or remove the components and merge into a full size cabinet

http://www.ntekgaming.com/pinball-wizard.php


The daunting thing where do you start, virtual pinball, hyper, etc

interested to hear from people who have one or built one.


As for the others, yes I know it's not real pinball, but I think it may be less maintenance  ^^^ and allow you to play other games that you either will never play or custom games like what Pro Pinball want to do.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: howzat on August 10, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
Hi Jady
Im, or should I say    Mitch is just starting to build a VP for me.    After seeing a lot  of post about it  and being able to acess heaps of games that I would love to play, past

and   present  I think that it is a good alternative for me   [    I HOPE   ]

Ive never played one before    there was one at Pinfest  but it wasnt switched on, so that wasnt any help.   I guess its like taking a great leap of faith     but after watching what is avaiable    to play its won me over

My 12 yrs son Pat has no intrest in any of my pins  as he is into batman /superman games ,  so these will be the 1st games to be put on to the new game  and Pat will help my dad  build the computer to drive it .

The cab graphics will have pics of Bat/superman ect  and hopefully Pat can help to design them  ^^^
As we go through the build we can post some pics  for any one who is interested...   I reckon that Im in for a very very steep learning curve     Howzat
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 01:30:34 PM
Hey Jady. after our chat yesterday and seing your design, I am definately more interested than I was before.I think it'll work out well
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: soundasleep on April 29, 2014, 01:58:05 PM
Anybody in Melbourne or Cowra who would like a hands on let me know :)
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
I've built a heap of them including mini's and full size cabinets.

Depending on how far you want to take it I can help with any questions on the basics right up to the cool stuff like rom controlled force feedback / flashers etc. if you choose to use either of the two (soon to be 3) emulators that support these technologies.

3D nudging using accelerometers / tilt bobs etc / interfacing real DMD displays, Animated rom controlled backglass lighting etc.

They'll never be the real thing, but with the right addons and some of the new physics code being written for Visual Pinball they're getting better and better.

Just fire away.

Dozer.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Slash on April 29, 2014, 04:40:45 PM

3D nudging using accelerometers / tilt bobs etc / interfacing real DMD displays, Animated rom controlled backglass lighting etc.


Wow, I never knew that the technology for them could become that realistic.  Very cool!
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: pinsanity on April 29, 2014, 05:04:12 PM

3D nudging using accelerometers / tilt bobs etc / interfacing real DMD displays, Animated rom controlled backglass lighting etc.


Wow, I never knew that the technology for them could become that realistic.  Very cool!

and relays inside the cab to simulate pop bumpers and slingshots firing.

Like dozer said they will never replace the real thing, but they are damn close.



Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on April 29, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
I am getting this gear for my project and have a real user friendly software interface for setting up your gear and suitable for many different systems.
http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html
Title: Re:
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 06:54:18 PM
Yeah you'll need that to interface your cabinet switches with the computer.   Give me a yell when you've got it flipping and I'm more than happy to help you with the fun stuff that follows.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.

Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: studley67 on April 29, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
good luck with yor home pins that will never make it to market.enjoy spending shit loads of money. ^&^ @.@ %.% *%*
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on April 29, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
cool video, thanks for sharing and thanks for offering your help - very kind of you.

for me my project is not going to be full blown (at least this one), rather a cocktail pin style and because I am not confident with a windows pc and setting up all the gear I opted to do a mac mini setup with a 100hz led samsung and ultimarc setup. This gives me the ability to flip the screen 90 degrees so kids can play other games like modern version of 1945, Bike Baron, Angry Birds etc and then be able to get on the net and surf the web as well. I will be running pinball arcade, pro pinball and a few of the other random pinball games like EA Sports Pinball etc.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: pinsanity on April 29, 2014, 08:38:44 PM
Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.



That looks fantastic.  ^^^

Ball flow looks smooth with no stutter.

What are your pc specs?

Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 09:45:01 PM
This is awesome the support your getting Jady. Thanks Dozer for your positive input and offer of help for Jady's project. Obviously your not aproving of virtual pin Studly, but its not about being a realist. Its about puting the hoby or interest in everyones reach. Not everyone can afford to spend $1000 pluss minimum on one machine. Why shouldnt people be able to make their own or buy a product that is easily upgradable for a minimal expense. Thats my 2cents worth, take it how you want to. Good on you Jady, I'll support you however I can. go for it.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: studley67 on April 29, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
if anyone can buid a virtual pin+oldschool video games all in one for under $2000,then i will aprove.until then i am sceptical.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 10:02:01 PM
Lol studly. im sure we can BUILD it for under 2 grand. Sale price is another thing all together.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Sinbad79 on April 29, 2014, 10:04:59 PM
Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.

That canadian wouldnt happen to be Steve (Zeb) would it ;)
I'm about 70% done with my build, will be writing a build log when complete...i think a few people are going to be impressed at this build...

Dozer i might pick your brain a bit down the road if thats ok, more with the feedback config.

Also, not possible to build for under $2k....not even close!
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Sorry Sinbad not talking about a full blown virtual pin cab.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: pinsanity on April 29, 2014, 10:33:59 PM
Lol studly. im sure we can BUILD it for under 2 grand.

Yes. From fellow pinheads across the ditch.

Visual Pinball Cabinet with 54 tables, budget build

Scratch built with budget in mind. Total build cost under $800NZD.
2.2ghz Intel Dual core
Dell 330 mainboard
Nvidia GT630 Video Card
Philips 43inch 1080P LCD play field
Viewsonic 26inch 1080p back box screen
Philips 17inch DMD
Logitech LS21 sub, speakers and aux volume/bass controls
OBSF-30 Sanwa buttons
Original Williams cabinet legs
Glass top and custom made lock down bar
Saitek USB game pad to Button hack
No coin Mech

300 frames per second on tables like T2, Whitewater and Circus Voltaire.

A good cabinet to prove you dont need to buy the best hardware and spend huge money to play these at high frame rates.

Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 10:34:49 PM
This is a core I7 running at 4ghz with an Nvidia GTX680.  Before the emulator was recently ported to directx9 you needed a tonne of power to run this emulation but that has changed slightly recently although I haven't tested it on lower end hardware.

Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.



That looks fantastic.  ^^^

Ball flow looks smooth with no stutter.

What are your pc specs?


Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 10:36:18 PM
Very nice man :)

Lol studly. im sure we can BUILD it for under 2 grand. Sale price is another thing all together.


Visual Pinball Cabinet with 54 tables, budget build

Scratch built with budget in mind. Total build cost under $800NZD.
2.2ghz Intel Dual core
Dell 330 mainboard
Nvidia GT630 Video Card
Philips 43inch 1080P LCD play field
Viewsonic 26inch 1080p back box screen
Philips 17inch DMD
Logitech LS21 sub, speakers and aux volume/bass controls
OBSF-30 Sanwa buttons
Original Williams cabinet legs
Glass top and custom made lock down bar
Saitek USB game pad to Button hack
No coin Mech

300 frames per second on tables like T2, Whitewater and Circus Voltaire.

A good cabinet to prove you dont need to buy the best hardware and spend huge money to play these at high frame rates.


Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Dozer316 on April 29, 2014, 10:38:36 PM
Yes mate it's Zeb :) - wonderful guy and super quality focused.  I spoke with him recently about acting as an agent so to speak on some of his kits and buffering the whole overseas thing so some of his stuff would be available locally.  I'm still researching the need to see if it's viable though.

Yes, please feel free to ask away, I've spent the last 2 years getting that cabinet to that stage so it would be nice to make some of that work worthwhile :)

Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.

That canadian wouldnt happen to be Steve (Zeb) would it ;)
I'm about 70% done with my build, will be writing a build log when complete...i think a few people are going to be impressed at this build...

Dozer i might pick your brain a bit down the road if thats ok, more with the feedback config.

Also, not possible to build for under $2k....not even close!
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 10:46:19 PM
That looks awesome ^^^
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on April 29, 2014, 11:00:16 PM
the one across the ditch plays niceā€¦.. thanks for sharing vid and info
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: studley67 on April 29, 2014, 11:03:36 PM
That is still in proto.The guy was typing comands on his out of screen keyboard.I am still sceptical,the hardware alone adds up to over$3000 already then add marketing,profit and labour costs and your looking at retail of $5g+.I am NOT bagging this idea and concept.I personally hope this all comes to fruition as pinball space is alwayd at a premium.BEST OF LUCK GUYS.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Sinbad79 on April 29, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
Yes mate it's Zeb :) - wonderful guy and super quality focused.  I spoke with him recently about acting as an agent so to speak on some of his kits and buffering the whole overseas thing so some of his stuff would be available locally.  I'm still researching the need to see if it's viable though.

Yes, please feel free to ask away, I've spent the last 2 years getting that cabinet to that stage so it would be nice to make some of that work worthwhile :)

Here's a quick demo of MM running on my test cab.

This cabinet has 2 ledwiz boards - Rom Controlled GI, flashers, a shaker motor and two gear motors to simulate ramps lifting, bookcases opening etc.
The backglass animation and lighting is rom controlled as well.  Most of the switches on the playfield also provide force feedback along with the solenoids or flippers, pops and slings.

Along with a friend in Canada, we're currently looking at launching a virtual pinball specific base for electronics here locally in the next couple of months.

It will include all the stuff to get this running including some alternatives to Ledwiz boards and some cool stuff that hasn't been released yet including Artnet DMX
controller boards for animated led strips etc and some good force feedback alternatives to the current super expensive contactors.  As I said, feel free to quiz me on anything related to this stuff.

Dozer.

That canadian wouldnt happen to be Steve (Zeb) would it ;)
I'm about 70% done with my build, will be writing a build log when complete...i think a few people are going to be impressed at this build...

Dozer i might pick your brain a bit down the road if thats ok, more with the feedback config.

Also, not possible to build for under $2k....not even close!


Steve is an absolute top bloke, i bought a lot of his gear for my build, he is nothing but helpful. Can not fault him in the slightest.
And for those that think these things can be built on a budget, think again, two decent TV's alone will get you close to $2k.... don't be delusional!


Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: studley67 on April 29, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
I hope this mob has this all under patent protection.cause by releasing theese trials he will be beaten. :D *%*
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 11:22:34 PM
I may have misuderstood you before before Studly,and if I did im sorry.  Im not having a dig at anyone.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: studley67 on April 29, 2014, 11:29:10 PM
I may have misuderstood you before before Studly,and if I did im sorry.  Im not having a dig at anyone.

no appolagee needed(wish i could spell.lol)
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Retropin on April 29, 2014, 11:31:56 PM
Try typing translite and then having the spell check change it to translate every time!
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 29, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
LMAO this phone spells however it likes anyway.
Title: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: soundasleep on April 30, 2014, 01:47:26 AM
The price is the first thing that shuts most people down with video pins. Assuming you use quality components (decent screens and powerful enough PC) you're not going to come in much under $3.5k just in parts. Add in labour time, support, liability insurance, etc and yep, retail cab ends up $5k to make it worthwhile.

Took us 6 months of prototyping and 7 builds to work that out ;)

Sure you can cut corners of the PC, score a cheap old junker cab or use Kogan screens but a video-pin is an expensive toy no matter how you cut it.

The people ask me about a real DMD or force back, which just adds even more to the build cost!

Now that the Infinity base cab is "out" I'm looking for an affordable forcefeed back solution. The big trick for us is to keep it at 12v if possible. Been looking at the U-HID boards too.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 30, 2014, 06:02:54 AM
Yes I agree Liability is something that everyone has to factor into anything they intend to sell these days. People just don't have the she'll be right attitude any more. They seem to have taken on the sue first attitude. What a shame really. I also agree not to use certain screens ,another area that you need to be carefull (naming companys) as it can be read into so many different ways.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Sinbad79 on April 30, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
Throw in decals, paint, component shipping costs etc....

The only REAL benefit of these machines is that you can learn rule sets of various tables without having to go buy them or chase them down at different onsite locations.
And while the technology is always improving - they will never replace a real machine.

For me - its something that I am hoping will eventually lead my kids into the hobby - and i enjoy building things that are over the top.

Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on April 30, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
For me I believe not including time the costs will be $2.5k with a new computer and high end 100hz Samsung tv that happens to be 3d capable so might be beneficial.

As for making more than one, highly doubt it though the apple store want to see it finished as it will be running via a mac mini so who knows they might want one or a few to show off in their shops  !@#

I just want it as an alternative to play some of the tables that I will have no hope of owning and also then kids can play other arcade games as well.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: swinks on April 30, 2014, 01:39:33 PM
can anyone tell me a good place if any to get those retro caroma arcade stools from?

also anyone know the height of a caroma arcade stool (ground to seat)?
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: dealers choice on April 30, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Check out e bay jady but many sellers wont post them. just google for supliers. They are 440mm high.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: Sinbad79 on April 30, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
You can get repro style ones from Kmart.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: howzat on May 04, 2014, 12:20:37 AM
Hi Jady
Your post has really taken off.  The videos of Pinsanity and Dozers games  looks great   quite real
 
Ive been having trouble getting mine going     and we have changed to Pinball X as a frontend   To me it seems more user freindly     we just need to work out how to install the games   Its been a step learning curve            Howzat 

Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: howzat on May 04, 2014, 10:01:29 AM
Dozer and Soundasleep   Question

When installing Pin X are the games coming from Pinball X or visuale pinball.  I did see a list on pinball X  but this is the stage Im at    Howzat
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: soundasleep on May 04, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
PinballX is just your front end menu software - it doesn't actually play pinball, just load it :)

It's best to get Visual Pinball and/or Future Pinball working first, then setup PinballX to work with it.
Title: Re: Who has built a mame pinball cabinet ????
Post by: pinsanity on May 04, 2014, 05:24:08 PM
The learning curve on building a Virtual Pinball is quite steep, and many times you will be tempted to just give up when you get an error you cannot isolate.

"Why does this table work, but this one gets an error?"  ^&^

Like soundasleep said, leave the frontend you end up using (Hyperpin/PinballX) as a separate task until you have VP and FP setup fully running and configured for the cabinet you are using.