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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: GORGAR 1 on January 10, 2015, 10:25:35 AM
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Love them or hate them a KISS pinball will be massive :) Europe Japan USA Australia the market for sales is crazy. KISS collectors and non pin heads will buy one just for the collection, it'll sit next to the 10k casket :) the artwork and music just lends its self to a pinball machine. License wouldn't have been cheap so I'm sure Stern will do it proud with the new system and LCD bring it on. Oh and with a KISS tour this year exciting times ahead
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BRING IT ON!!!! Can't wait to play an updated KISS with Love Gun playing while I slam those balls.
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Again with 'KISS is awesone' ?
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I'm told it is definite. Not from anyone associated with Stern. #@#
I've given my :2cents: several times, and the topic of what incarnation of the band is represented on "any" product is a topic of furious debate on KISS Forums. Just to put things into context - If AC/DC replaced Angus with a short guitarist dressed in a school boys' uniform replaced Angus - would AC/DC fans accept that ? Pinball fans won't care - they buy the machine to play the game and possibly would not know the difference.
KISS fans (like Gorgar1 and many others) are roughly the same age. Most are SERIOUS Hardcore KISS fans - and no matter what anyone says - there is no other band with this sort of fanbase. Unique because of their history and WHO had been in the band - during what period. There are "original" fans (like me) that have followed the band since their heyday (1973-1978), then there are fans that picked up the band after they removed the makeup, then there are fans that follow the band since the Reunion. There are even fans of the current lineup - and here's where the topic turns to crap - Today's version of KISS is a cover band. Two member's dress, look and play like Peter Criss and Ace Frehley. So WHEN this game is released - who will be represented on the artwork - and from what period will the music be derived from ? Most original fans still celebrate the entire career (41 years), but ignore what the band is doing these days with the one exception - The induction into the RARHOF - which for the first time in history, chose bands based on public votes. Guess what line up was inducted ? The originals..
A quick scan of the merchandise section - 75% of the merch has the original members.
The last Aussie Tour - Both Etihad shows had run out of the original line up T-Shirts, and had a surplus of the designs with the current lineup.
An interesting fact for stern to consider - The WORST selling and least favorite solo album was Peter Criss' - it went platinum, but it is considered the worst album with the KISS logo on it. The current line up have released two albums that combined sales would have struggled to reach GOLD status in the USA (500,000 units).
So Stern really need to do a lot of homework on this title. Outside Pinball, most of my "longtime" buddies are music fans, KISS fans, or were in bands. There's at least 8 Stern KISS machines that would be sold DEPENDING on how they present it.
Original members with original artwork and music = Massive sales.
Cover band members with recent artwork and music = Biggest Stern flop of all time.
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People are going to whine if the artwork is photoshopped but the artwork on the original KISS machine wasn't much chop either so this is going to be a hard one for anyone to get right.
Personally, I think they should use a mix of the various album covers and the face painted band members from say 1978 should do the trick.
Then u have to work out which drummer you are going to lead with.
People are going to complain about the artwork no matter what is done.
I think Kiss Pinball will be the biggest whinge fest since the invention of the wheel.
But I hope they make it and hope people love it. Hope it's nothing like the other Kiss pinball which was iconic to look at but was an average player at best.
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Gene and Paul will want current lineup I'm sure-yes we'd all like Ace and Peter but that won't happen they've moved on. My gut feeling is like ACDC they will have sum sort of mention of the original guys say in artwork or they may have mention of all the band members throughout the years like Bruce Eric and so on. Stern will have to work with what Gene & Paul want but even with current lineup I don't think it'll be a flop.
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I bet a million that Steve Ritchie is doing KISS 2015.
Also, what are people going to think if it has a 2nd under playfield area like ACDC Premium/LE had.
It has to be a good player and the artwork has to be done right or you will never hear the end of it.
I reckon that the diehard fans will not buy it unless they are happy with the artwork, no matter how good a player it is.
The jukebox like ACDC will be great.
How many people will boycott the game if the art isn't to their liking ?
They should stick to the original members or at least allow for the different drummer from Criss to Carr from memory from the makeup era. After all, it was that lineup that cemented KISS being an industry.
I wouldn't put the latest members on the game at all. The music hasn't been any good since about 1978 give or take a few years. Lol
I just hope the artwork is accepted.
But this time round, it won't be Sterns fault, because Paul and Gene will be designing all the artwork. Rarely does anything get done unless Gene invents it. He is a perfectionist and only his vision makes it onto any product. Stern will have little input I reckon.
Will that make it easier to accept if you don't like the artwork if you are told the KISS boys designed it full stop.
Maybe that will keep people from lynching Gary Stern and team.
Bet you any money the price is higher cause the KISS boys want a lot of extra $$$.
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Cover band or originals, you will all still buy it because 'Let's wait until The next KISS game' is not an option
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Cover band or originals, you will all still buy it because 'Let's wait until The next KISS game' is not an option
Good point.
1978 to 2015 is 37 years.
2015 plus 37 years is the year 2052.
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Cover band or originals, you will all still buy it because 'Let's wait until The next KISS game' is not an option
Good point.
1978 to 2015 is 37 years.
2015 plus 37 years is the year 2052.
Even if it is only 10 years, few of us will still be collecting
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People are going to whine if the artwork is photoshopped but the artwork on the original KISS machine wasn't much chop either so this is going to be a hard one for anyone to get right.
Personally, I think they should use a mix of the various album covers and the face painted band members from say 1978 should do the trick.
Then u have to work out which drummer you are going to lead with.
People are going to complain about the artwork no matter what is done.
I think Kiss Pinball will be the biggest whinge fest since the invention of the wheel.
But I hope they make it and hope people love it. Hope it's nothing like the other Kiss pinball which was iconic to look at but was an average player at best.
The Bally 1978 KISS backglass is one of the most iconic pieces of pinball artwork in history. I know several KISS collectors that bought the IPB playfield BECAUSE of the artwork. they don't even own the game.
I've said it from the start, if Gary Stern has negotiated a deal with KISS - and leave KISS to decide the artwork package and decide on the artwork consisting of the current cover band line up, then is does not matter who designs it or whether it has photoshopped, or crayon drawn artwork - KISS fans will NOT buy it. Don't bother with a Premium or LE. Just make the game for operators. I understand that this is most likely the way they will go. KISS collectors throw $ at the original line up memorabilia.
In all honesty, if the cover band line up are selected, I really hope they do another title. It will be a MASSIVE whingefest - especially if Stern have allowed Gene and Paul to dictate artwork. Having said that, they both know that the original line up = BIG $ - But they have to pay royalties to Ace and Peter. Just look at the merchandising section on their website.
Honestly, I'm not known to be a Stern fan - but I really like TWD LE. If they came up with a similar art package with original members, the decision would be a no brainer. Sorry, but I can't see it.
Cover band or originals, you will all still buy it because 'Let's wait until The next KISS game' is not an option
No. Incorrect.
Not asking you to be a KISS fan, but you need to know one to understand the issue. ANY merchandise with Tommy Thayer dressed as Ace or Eric Singer dressed as Peter Criss is not part of my $50,000 collection. Nothing. I have spend ZERO $ on this band since 2004. None of my "generation" of KISS fans buys ANYTHING KISS related unless it has the originals. Give the two imitators NEW or different personas like they Did with Eric Carr or Vinnie Vincent - then I'm cool with it.
Cover band or originals, you will all still buy it because 'Let's wait until The next KISS game' is not an option
Good point.
1978 to 2015 is 37 years.
2015 plus 37 years is the year 2052.
Kiss were formed in 1973.
Their first concert was in a loft in Coventry, Queens New York - in front of an audience of 4 people. Three of those people worked the bar (was in Gene's book from memory).
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My dad still wants an original KISS to restore, but scoffs at the ebay pricing.
I can see myself getting a Stern KISS if it's a good game like the other music titles have been. I'm not invested in the band so much that I care about the "cover band" vs original members. They're all just a bunch of dudes in make-up anyway and the 12 tracks will be all studio recordings from their back catalogue. Like AC/DC having no reference to Bon Scott on the pinball, but his music was still in the game.
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My dad still wants an original KISS to restore, but scoffs at the ebay pricing.
I can see myself getting a Stern KISS if it's a good game like the other music titles have been. I'm not invested in the band so much that I care about the "cover band" vs original members. They're all just a bunch of dudes in make-up anyway and the 12 tracks will be all studio recordings from their back catalogue. Like AC/DC having no reference to Bon Scott on the pinball, but his music was still in the game.
hey Pete, I think there's a bar or two in Melb where you can meet other dudes in make up as well. Dunno if they sing and play music though @.@
But you're right, if its a good player, then who cares what line it has. I'm like you, I play pinball and buy it for the game. There are some that buy for showing off and the hope for financial gain and the rest that not having the right bits and pieces that stop them from buying. I don't mind the latter but the person who just has it sitting in a crate or on display.....what tha......go out and buy a painting it takes up less space.
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My dad still wants an original KISS to restore, but scoffs at the ebay pricing.
I can see myself getting a Stern KISS if it's a good game like the other music titles have been. I'm not invested in the band so much that I care about the "cover band" vs original members. They're all just a bunch of dudes in make-up anyway and the 12 tracks will be all studio recordings from their back catalogue. Like AC/DC having no reference to Bon Scott on the pinball, but his music was still in the game.
hey Pete, I think there's a bar or two in Melb where you can meet other dudes in make up as well. Dunno if they sing and play music though @.@
But you're right, if its a good player, then who cares what line it has. I'm like you, I play pinball and buy it for the game. There are some that buy for showing off and the hope for financial gain and the rest that not having the right bits and pieces that stop them from buying. I don't mind the latter but the person who just has it sitting in a crate or on display.....what tha......go out and buy a painting it takes up less space.
Lol and high heals Rob :) look i don't agree with the cover band title, Gene and Paul are the founding members and Tommy & Eric are paid help. If Gene and Paul left Yep then it's a cover band and I'd be gone but until that happens the term cover band is abit harsh. I'm just glad KISS are still playing Rock on boys.
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When I said 1978 to 2015 was 37 years, I was referring to the year they released the first Kiss Pinball.
And it's only been 37 years to the next Kiss pinball IF they do one in 2015.
Also, I can't see Gene or Paul from Kiss doing anything but 100 percent making ALL the decisions on the artwork.
Stern won't get a say. The bands members egos will dictate every inch of the artwork.
If it comes out fugly, I don't think anyone could realistically blame anyone but the band.
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Ok - I misunderstood the 1978 as the date you thought they started.
One thing is definite - both pinball manufacturing
and Kiss won't be around in 37 years !
My biggest fear is if Stern have caved into using artwork of the current line up. I agree that the music will be only from the classic era - so I'm hoping that any music used HAS to reflect the artwork. If the songs are from the 70's then the artwork should be.
This title has potential if the license is used with a view to being an option for old farts with money. I want this title to be Sterns biggest game to date. I want to be positive,. I really dislike the use of the former members personas. It is a kiss fan issue.
Yes, kiss fans bitch more than pinball people.
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If your spending the $ on a title/theme you really like, you are allowed to be picky. It's also fair to say that some people have been waiting decades for someone to make this Pinny so expectations will be very high.
I just hope the deciding band members listen to what the fans want to see.
I am still unsure that Stern will be really making this title.
Sometimes I think it's too good to be true.
Should be a massive seller.
What country currently importing brand new Sterns wouldn't want it.
If Stern does the Pro, Premium and LE. There should be something that appeals to everyone.
I can see a lot of people grabbing the MasterCard for this one.
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On facebook last night, Steve Ritchie of Stern let out a hint on a post about a new Stern team member who Steve worked on Black Knight 2000 with, a fellow called Brian Schmidt.
Steve said to Brian that he and his team are going to ROCK again on his next Stern 2015 title.
And with the talk being about soundtracks on pinballs and audio, it wasn't to much of a stretch to believe The King SR. was hinting at the KISS pinball being his next release. That's the way it came accross to me anyway so it's the first solid hint from Steve about his next title.
Really thinking that the next pin will be music no matter what. We just have to see now if it's KISS or another Rock band ?
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Since when have any Stern Facebook 'hints' ever come true?
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apparently Stern have the licence rights for Kiss so see what happens...
doubt the art would look as good as Jpop's
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Iconic photo of the Love Gun set during the outro to Black Diamond. Amazing photo.
If these use the artwork from this period - it will be a massive seller. Thinking about all the fans that have sold their collections over the years (due to the cover band line up) - they will be cashed up and this would be the best idea for Gene to get that money back in their pockets.
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Watched a documentary about Gene And his KISS merchandising.
As at 2014 he said he had licenced 2501 KISS products for current sale.
That will be 2502 if Stern does a new Pinball.
Unless I missed it, I have never seen an original KISS pinball at Genes various homes or his KISS merchandising offices. That's the first thing I thought I would have seen.
Does anyone know (prob a question Nino could answer ?) if Gene LIKES playing pinball or not a pinball player ?
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i have seen his family jewells doco and he has 2 kiss pinballs, one in the office which is in his awesome la home and one in the games room = 2
never seen him play it though nor anyone else
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The guys played the Bally machine during their Australian tour in 1979 - check out the 60 minutes below at around 1:30
They seem to be playing OK and the tongue is wagging in tune to the quick scoring:
I wonder if that machine was signed by the boys? Maybe in someone's collection!
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Good to know Gene has pinballs. I must have missed that episode where they showed them.
I am sure there will be a 2015 TV show with Gene and family playing the new Stern version.
I am hoping Stern does 2 x LE Versions. 1 x Premium and the Pro.
Just hope the prices aren't a cash grab and stupidly too high.
They would be sooo much smarter if they made this title very affordable and they will sell twice as much.
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They would be sooo much smarter if they made this title very affordable and they will sell twice as much.
No need to while there is a strong KISS army out there.
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KISS tour October hell yeah :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806916386012090
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KISS tour October hell yeah :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806916386012090
I'm done with this line up. The CRAP that they are doing over in Japan is simply mindless stupidity. The tour is rumored to have Whitesnake as an opener. This line up are too conservative with the opening acts !
Ace Frehley is touring in May - that will be an awesome show !
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KISS tour October hell yeah :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806916386012090
I'm done with this line up. The CRAP that they are doing over in Japan is simply mindless stupidity. The tour is rumored to have Whitesnake as an opener. This line up are too conservative with the opening acts !
Ace Frehley is touring in May - that will be an awesome show !
What's happening over in Japan?
I saw on Gene's twitter feed where he was pimping signed bass guitars and meet n greets for stupid money.....well, pinball money anyway. haha....gotta respect that. You can never have enough money....right!?
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If I miss out on Alice Cooper, will have to get a Melbourne KISS ticket again. Peter, will I see you there?
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KISS tour October hell yeah :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806916386012090
I'm done with this line up. The CRAP that they are doing over in Japan is simply mindless stupidity. The tour is rumored to have Whitesnake as an opener. This line up are too conservative with the opening acts !
Ace Frehley is touring in May - that will be an awesome show !
What's happening over in Japan?
I saw on Gene's twitter feed where he was pimping signed bass guitars and meet n greets for stupid money.....well, pinball money anyway. haha....gotta respect that. You can never have enough money....right!?
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If I miss out on Alice Cooper, will have to get a Melbourne KISS ticket again. Peter, will I see you there?
Yes Adam I'll definitely be there can't wait :) got the KISS convention in a couple of weeks to-it's a chance to see all the KISS fans I've seen over the years at concerts oh and sound checks lol
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KISS tour October hell yeah :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=806916386012090
I'm done with this line up. The CRAP that they are doing over in Japan is simply mindless stupidity. The tour is rumored to have Whitesnake as an opener. This line up are too conservative with the opening acts !
Ace Frehley is touring in May - that will be an awesome show !
What's happening over in Japan?
I saw on Gene's twitter feed where he was pimping signed bass guitars and meet n greets for stupid money.....well, pinball money anyway. haha....gotta respect that. You can never have enough money....right!?
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If I miss out on Alice Cooper, will have to get a Melbourne KISS ticket again. Peter, will I see you there?
Japanese Version
KISS live Version
So that's the current cover band line up.
Here is the real KISS
.. and the very song that got me hooked in the 70's
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^^^ that Jap video is hilarious :) and shows how diverse the band is dealing with other cultures:) Japan like there game shows always expect KISS to do crazy things and it reflects on some of the Jap only album covers :) Myself and other Aussies just wanna hear them rock out :)
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I prefer the jap version, very catchy. I can't wait for the next hit, spice girls V kiss.
Thanks for the memories of the parasite vid, but you must admit the jap girlie song is much better than the kiss movie in the early '80s. I just couldn't believe those kiss robots would ever beat my hero's.
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It's official there coming can't wait. :) and at Rod Laver best stadium to
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Well thanks to a AA member(Simon) who organised our tickets our front row tickets are locked in can't wait :) gunna be a big year for KISS fans :)
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Cool movie great video :)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=757268677713514