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Aussie Pinball Forums => Technical Matters => Pinball Repairs / Problems & Assistance => Topic started by: infinite1977 on February 08, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
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Hey guys, I am starting this thread and will post any questions I have (I am sure there will be tons) for this Police force Project.
IS anyone here an expert on System 11 machines. After spending a day trying to match up where everything plugs in, I have come to realise that some of the plugs on the harness may been removed, or wires have come loose.
Is there a replacement harness I can get for this machine. It seems like everything coming out from the play field seems to be ok, but then there are lots of other "secondary harnesses" like the insert harness and others?
Lastly I would have thought there would have been easier way to work out which plug goes where as there are loads of plugs, and many that can go in multiple places.
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First job is buy a manual and all will be revealed as to where goes where.
Label everything and take HEAPS of photos.
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I downloaded the manual, but it might as well be in a different language lol.
I cant seem to find a part number for the harnesses though
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you will find where the connectors go though.
Your wiring loom might not be that trashed.
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I have a Police Force machine coming in for repair on Wednesday.
Should be able to help out with some pics of the connectors once it arrives.
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Most of my machines are system 11's and I've had the wiring out of them a few times. May be able to help. :)
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You cannot but replacement harnesses - but more than likely there will be issues with the game which may not be attributed to the harness / connectors.
If you can't work out the connector etc from the pictures or schematics, call me and drop by with the game and I'll get you started.
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Thanks for the replies as always.
Steevsee any pictures you can take will help.
Nino I am fairly certain they have chopped a couple connectors off.
But either way I am a long way off. The cabinet was smashed. It was cheap, now I know why lol.
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Jimagram I will take you up on that help lol
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I am pretty sure I saw cab art for these at PPS. If the playfield is in good nick it's worth it as a fun gane
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Yeah pps have them. Its a shame our dollar sucks. The playfield is surprisingly in quite good shape. The boards look very clean. Just hoping the displays work also
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Some pictures
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more
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more
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last one for now.
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I was hoping you would posts some pictures. It looks like an interesting project. The playfield deck looks pretty good in those pictures?, It looks like your going to have many fun hours with it. I will watch with interest!
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Playfield should clean up quite nice, I gave it a quick rub down:)
Just one cracked entrance ramp but thats expected. I also got an extra playfield with the deal :)
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Does anyone know where these guys belong? Am I missing something
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Does anyone know where these guys belong? Am I missing something
Fuse holder on the side of the backbox (right of the grey capacitor) would be my thought.
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Yeah I litterally just found that out. I suspect I need a new fuse holder too :)
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I have the following connectors blank aux board J9
Cpu board 1J18, 1j14 (cant seem to find a plug for this on the harness)
Backbox interconnect board j2
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ok, going through the fuses and found a note in the manual about using a 4A fuse for 220v installations, but as I am little thick on these matters at times, I dont understand which fuse it is referring to. Can anyone shed some light on this. Here is the page I am referring to.
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Ok I may have found it :)
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Ok I finally got it all plugged in. Machine turns on and I get a blinking light on the main board. If I turn it off and on twice I get some playfield lights, but displays dont come on at all.
1.) How can I tell if the displays are ok??
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You need to check the display voltages on the power supply first mate. But off my head I can't remember the exact places to test. I think they need 100v and 90v
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From what I can see the power board works fine
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Now measure the power on the display driver board see if it's making it to there
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I shall do my best
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Ok I just noticed that when I touch the side rails I get a shock. Does this mean the machine in not earthed properly?
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Ok I just noticed that when I touch the side rails I get a shock. Does this mean the machine in not earthed properly?
It means you stop now and have it looked at. This is the typical project pinball. They were sold as projects for a reason. You may have a mains issue - mains cable not earthed, broken earth strap, or a similar issue to a Secret Service game I looked at that had the fuse holder lugs flapping in the breeze.
Drop the game over in my workshop - I'll have it sorted for you. Electricity is a serious issue.
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Ok I just noticed that when I touch the side rails I get a shock. Does this mean the machine in not earthed properly?
It means you stop now and have it looked at. This is the typical project pinball. They were sold as projects for a reason. You may have a mains issue - mains cable not earthed, broken earth strap, or a similar issue to a Secret Service game I looked at that had the fuse holder lugs flapping in the breeze.
Drop the game over in my workshop - I'll have it sorted for you. Electricity is a serious issue.
X2, if your not confident or not sure, take it to someone who is, just to be save *%*
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Thanks for the offer Nino. But you should remember how hard it is for to to get machines out of the house :)
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Found a bolt missing from the coin door where the braid connects. All good now
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Now in regards to the displays, there is power on the powerbord plug, there is power in the j7 connection on the display board, still no displays. I did notice some corrosion on the master display board though.
Running out of ideas but dont want to shell out for new displays if I dont need to
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Is the CPU actually booting? Don't think there would be anything on display until it boots. Prob explains why no attract mode
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Hey Marty, it does boot. Goes into attract mode
That being sais there is a flashing light on there.
P.s long time no speak
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Hey Marty, it does boot. Goes into attract mode
That being sais there is a flashing light on there.
P.s long time no speak
Hey mate,
Sorry, missed the bit where it was booting. (((
I take it your 100v is measuring correctly for the power at the displays like Daniel suggested?
Just take care as it is HV..
Also you'll need to get the grounding issue sorted as getting a tingle from the side rails is neither good nor healthy.
http://techniek.flipperwinkel.nl/wms11/index3.htm#display
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Thanks for the thread. Yeah 100v on both ends. I think the master display board is at fault
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Also does anyone know what this is and does. Its on the back of the backbox. Does not light up
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Pic helps
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Thanks for the thread. Yeah 100v on both ends. I think the master display board is at fault
OK - see you you go with the further trouble shooting. All part of the learning experience.
I loved my Police Force, such a fun yet simple game.
I upgraded my displays to PinLed and I've just gone through whats left of my parts stash.
Is your's p/n D-12232-2 ?
This was off my Taxi. I honestly cant remember the condition of it, from memory it was working and I upgraded it to Pinled just cause.
The rest of my Police Force displays went to someone, as the IC's on them are unobtainable.
The ex-Taxi display I robbed of the top glass display, bottom on is there but looks worn to the eye. U14 also looks gone. I also have the bonus glass display from Taxi p/n 5762-10933-00.
Not sure if they are the same.
You're welcome to them both. I can drop off at Nino's during the week.
If you need to rob I/C's from it, I'd suggest using a proper desoldering gun.
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Yeah d-12232-2 .
Thanks heaps much appreciated. Yet again you save the day.
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So can you tell me what that thing was that I pictured lol
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So can you tell me what that thing was that I pictured lol
Its a relay for the backbox lamps...
From memory the relay actually clicks in tune with the music / sounds on the game. Very cool.
Going by the photos on IPDB should be there.
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Ok cool. That explains why it doesnt light up as all the cables to the backbox lamps have been cut
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Ok continuing with my police force. The unit had no backglass. I managed to get a translite for it and need to get a piece of glass made. Can someone tell me the measurenemts of the glass and if possible the thickness, type of glass needed so I can go to a glazier to get one made??
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Probably overkill but toughened is used on the playfield so you could use the same type there. As for size...no idea. The edging would probably be beveled though wouldn't it !@#
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Edit, just found this for you: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/size-of-system-11-backglass
That's your answer right there.
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Wow thanks for the link mate.
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Ok thanks to Marty, I picked up his old displays. As soon as I plugged them in they worked, so I obviously had bad displays and boards.
The plan now is to replace tge u14 chip from my old board and the top glass from my old one and fingers crossed we have a complete working set :)
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(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/21/a6dc61c35929b997e4fdaaeeb97b5c14.jpg)
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Ok continuing with this machine.
I got my hands on an old hurricane back box as this one was smashed to bits.
After I remove old decals and patch it up, what is recommended to use to paint it up in preparation for new decals
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I finally decided to try and solder a wire :) After some youtubing, sucess :)
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First time is always the hardest. congrats, be prepared for many, many more. Pics so we can have a laugh %.%
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not pretty but it works.
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Display works. Missing one number. Thanks Marty
Now ball wont eject into lane. I have checked coil and it seems ok. Any ideas
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New issue. I keep blowing fuse F1 on power supply board and no displays are now lit?? Suggestions
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Ok i have isolated the issue to J3 connector on power board. Even with everything else unplugged this connector is causing f1 to blow
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Ok big day today. Went through wiring on back boards and put in any loose connected wires. As a result the ball eject coil now works:) This means i can now get a game going.
I also rewired the lights on the back which were a mess as only one light worked. They now all work except a few flashers so i will continue to investigate. Might have wired some parts wrong.
Still have that issue with fuse f1 blowing. Still need to get that sorted.
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Pic of rewired lights
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Display works. Missing one number. Thanks Marty
Now ball wont eject into lane. I have checked coil and it seems ok. Any ideas
Have you checked switches in this area?
Nice work on the game so far. ^^^
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Hey Crash, the ball eject now works. There was a wire out of the j connector on the main board, after i re-inserted the wire all good. Now i just have the fuse f1 issue constantly blowing. As nentioned earlier as soon as i plug in j3 connector on the powersupply the fuse f1 blows when i turn the machine on. I am at a loss
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P.s just learnt how to test a coil with DMM :)
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New user here.
Been going through this thread after acquiring my first pinball which is also a Police Force. Is there any chance I could get some hi-res photos of the area around the bottom pop-bumper and center ramp? Looks like a previous owner made some modifications here and I occasionally get the ball stuck in this area of the play field.