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Aussie Pinball Forums => New developments => New Developments => Topic started by: swinks on March 20, 2015, 08:14:39 AM
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Stern did a press release of BJM but think they have priced themselves out to not sell many.
RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
As much as the machine looks cool and I was personally hoping for a cheaper machine in comparison to their regular games and being non licensed I think they are hitting the point of cutting out the home owner. Even the US guys are coughing at the price.
For the US guys it works out to be $500 more than the latest pro and you are getting legs and a crate but it is a solid state not a EM but with EM score reels. It has lots of comical call outs like a dmd machine so a nice blend but the RRP is dam high.
Here is the press release:
Stern Pinball Announces Immediate Availability of Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ Pinball Machine
World's Leading Maker of Arcade-Quality Pinball Games and Whizbang Pinball Announce It's Melon Season!
MELROSE PARK, Ill., March 19, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, Stern Pinball, Inc., the world's oldest and largest producer of arcade-quality pinball games, and Whizbang Pinball LLC officially announced the availability of their Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ pinball machine.
Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ pinball takes players on a journey through the Mellon Family farm renowned for abundant produce. Players score points on the farm operated by the lovely Melony Mellon and her twin sisters while avoiding the wrath of their over-protective shotgun-wielding father. The colorful easy-to-learn game features a fun classically styled pinball playfield tuned for a balance of randomness and skilled shooting challenges. The game rewards players of all skill levels.
"Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ offers an entertaining classic pinball experience," said Gary Stern, Chairman and CEO of Stern Pinball. "We're excited to work with Whizbang Pinball to provide players and operators with a unique pinball game and a fun playing experience."
"I love the combination of designing a retro-style playfield powered by today's latest technology," said Dennis Nordman, Whizbang Pinball co-founder.
This unique blend of classic and modern technologies creates a new breed of pinball machine that presents pinball as an art form while maintaining the reliability and serviceability of modern commercial pinball machines. The playfield, backglass, and cabinet art and styling, central to the game's unique visual quality, feature detailed original characters and fresh hand-drawn artwork that blend elements of mid-century pin-up art and classic pinball themes.
Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ offers many unique features including:
Original retro-style playfield designed by Dennis Nordman
Original retro-style hand-drawn graphics by Greg Freres featuring fresh fruit, a cool truck and the ever popular Mellon family
A unique, durable, weathered fruit crate cabinet design
A supplemental set of powder-coated legs for ease of operation and transportation
A standard coin-door for location play
Illuminated mechanical score reels
Retro-style bumper caps and flipper bats
Dual-action bullseye melon targets
A retro mechanical Knocker
Space for crushed beer cans to set the perfect playfield angle (players can choose their own brand or use Whoa Nellie! branded cans)
Pricing and Availability:
Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price ("MSRP") for the United States: US$6,499
Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ is available through authorized Stern Pinball distributors and dealers around the world.
Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons™ merchandise and accessories are now available through the Stern Shop: http://costore.com/sternpinball/welcome.asp and select authorized distributors and dealers around the world.
About Whizbang Pinball LLC
Founded in 2009 by Greg Freres and Dennis Nordman, Whizbang Pinball LLC is a design studio that presents boutique pinball as a new art form by integrating its extensive pinball industry experience with its artistic vision for a unique combination of art and technology.
About Stern Pinball, Inc.
Stern Pinball, Inc., headquartered just outside Chicago, Illinois, is the oldest and largest producer of arcade-quality pinball games in the world. Stern Pinball's highly talented creative and technical teams design, engineer and manufacture a full line of popular pinball games, merchandise and accessories. Recent Stern Pinball titles include WWE WrestleMania, The Walking Dead, Ford Mustang, Star Trek, Metallica, The Avengers, X-Men, AC/DC, Tron, Transformers, Avatar, Iron Man, Batman, and spiderman. A broad range of players enjoy Stern Pinball's games from professional pinball players who compete in high-stakes international competitions around the globe to novice players who are discovering the allure of the silver ball for the first time. To join the fun and learn more, please visit http://www.sternpinball.com.
All trademarks and product names are the property of their respective companies
the picture is of their original version, as Stern have not released any images yet.
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Very expensive indeed....
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in a recent interview on one of the podcasts, it was going to be (comical) voice call out dmd style game (so not a ding dong game) and they started with a particular game and took all the components out and then redesigned the layout a bit including return lanes to the flippers etc.
they said it was going to now come with an autoball feed not a manual one and has the new spike system in it
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That is VERY expensive and was hoping for one as I like this soooooooo much.
Might have to sell a few machines to fund this. Shame.
Still want one though.
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Stern now claiming it is a fake press release but quite a few pinsiders have slammed the price so maybe Stern are doing a damage control due to the price.
Jonathon from Pinball Magazine stated it was from a official press release so good old Stern Marketing might have have just seen the bubble burst - now starting to be too greedy...
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here is a pinballnews update though these images are of the original
http://www.pinballnews.com/news/whoanellie.html
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Love this part - "The recommended retail price of the Stern-made Whoa Nellie! game is $6,499, pitching it around $1,000 above the price of a current Stern Pro model game and crushing any hopes it would be more affordable than a regular Stern game."
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yes, and it is non licensed, runs the cheaper spike system, no ramps = should be cheaper or equal to pro's but dearer !@#
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Licence fees are usually a LOT less expensive than many people make out. There are MILLIONS of other expenses and costs involved but (in my case anyway) the licence fee is insignificant in the overall cost of the machine.
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my heart is STILL set on one.
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For those who can't afford it, get a better job. Lol
Ahhhhhhhhh, it's a one off run in very very limited numbers. The price was never going to be cheaper.
It's a luxury item with a crap Australian dollar, it had to be anything but cheap.
Pinball BNIB is never cheap. We all expect and understand brand new car prices go up year after year but when it happens to pinball everyone freaks out a little.
How did everyone think Stern was going to pay for its research and development costs on the SPIKE system, pay for its massive new factory and all the new top end office staff ? The prices had to go up.
It's just a shame our dollar is 75 cents USA and not the $1.15 it was.
If the dollar was excellent no one would be complaining.
What can you do. Pinball is now a Luxury item through and through.
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If it plays half as good as it looks it will be excellent.
The colours remind me of a brand new Fishtales.
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Toyota wanted $28K for their Ute when I bought my Great Wall.. now they are $21K or thereabouts. Its called COMPETITION!
Ill say it again... a business expands because they are doing great and need extra space ... in other words, they have made a balanced decision that extra investment will bring greater rewards IN THE LONG RUN due to greater manufacturing numbers etc.
If this means STERN have to have more management then they are stupid... management don't produce.. they create red tape systems. Its the people on the floor that make products and its product that brings in $$$'s.
When a company expands management and expects the customer to fund the increase in OFFICE staff... it has its head firmly up it own 'arris.
Stern created SPIKE because it will be cheaper for them.. tiny board with SMD. Whole board can be made by machine in the thousands at a reduced cost of through hole components.
Its a mode on TAF that we all know ... G...R...E...E...D!
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For those who can't afford it, get a better job. Lol
Ahhhhhhhhh, it's a one off run in very very limited numbers. The price was never going to be cheaper.
It's a luxury item with a crap Australian dollar, it had to be anything but cheap.
Pinball BNIB is never cheap. We all expect and understand brand new car prices go up year after year but when it happens to pinball everyone freaks out a little.
How did everyone think Stern was going to pay for its research and development costs on the SPIKE system, pay for its massive new factory and all the new top end office staff ? The prices had to go up.
It's just a shame our dollar is 75 cents USA and not the $1.15 it was.
If the dollar was excellent no one would be complaining.
What can you do. Pinball is now a Luxury item through and through.
as stated in the past just because stern develop a new controller system that is cheaper to make and cheaper to install etc doesn't mean the price should be hiked up. A smart business would plan ahead and recoup costs over a period of time, not slam their customers with all the extra costs due to development and new factory - slam the MMr contractors.
the fact that they are claiming it was a fake launch after almost everyone that made a comment on the pinside thread said they were out based on the price alone. I bet Stern are just getting greedy and trying to cash in on the boutique market but they are the holden / ford producer of pins with a base range, medium and HSV range. Boutique pinball is dearer because there unit costs are dearer as well as many other factors. Stern might of just seen the limits of the bubble plus Stern's marketing guy is a goose - no more launch videos and not launching product professionally and constant price hikes.
admittedly the dollar value does not help but this pin is $500 more in the US than the Wrestling and TWD pro pins ??? and it does not have ramps, dmd or playfield toys and is a one player only roll over em score reels??
that aside it is a sweet looking pin and look forward to videos.
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as stated in the past just because stern develop a new controller system that is cheaper to make and cheaper to install etc doesn't mean the price should be hiked up. A smart business would plan ahead and recoup costs over a period of time, not slam their customers with all the extra costs due to development and new factory - slam the MMr contractors.
the fact that they are claiming it was a fake launch after almost everyone that made a comment on the pinside thread said they were out based on the price alone. I bet Stern are just getting greedy and trying to cash in on the boutique market but they are the holden / ford producer of pins with a base range, medium and HSV range. Boutique pinball is dearer because there unit costs are dearer as well as many other factors. Stern might of just seen the limits of the bubble plus Stern's marketing guy is a goose - no more launch videos and not launching product professionally and constant price hikes.
admittedly the dollar value does not help but this pin is $500 more in the US than the Wrestling and TWD pro pins ??? and it does not have ramps, dmd or playfield toys ??
that aside it is a sweet looking pin and look forward to videos.
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Stern are just trying to milk the market while it lasts. Unfortunately they will end up killing the golden goose that they created in the first place.
ACDC was and will remain Stern's high water mark, but as swinks said they got greedy from that point on because they saw the sales and decided to implement bracket creep pricing that has far outstripped both inflation and currency fluctuations on subsequent titles.
People can bang on with glib internet statements like getting a better paying job, but the reality remains there is a finite amount of customers both in Australia and globally who can both afford and justify regular circa $10,000 outlays on a novelty item that is for all intents and purposes a beta unit on initial release and which may or may not receive updates of any significance. People won't buy because it is an unpolished product and Stern won't polish the product because the sales aren't there - round and round the merry go round.
Of course, those with a pecuniary interest will continue to preach about how sales of the Stern title du jour are going gangbusters and they can't keep up with demand, yet continue to overlook the fact that the time period required for titles to ACTUALLY sell out from distributors continues to widen with each title released. There are still Mustang LE's available in both the US and Europe from multiple distributors and we are rapidly approaching its one year release anniversary.
Stern can make "The Pin" and sell it for $3000US RRP on Amazon (Amazon also takes their percentage cut out of that price so the real RRP would likely sit in the mid to high $2000's). For that price it has over 90% of what a standard Pro model Stern machine contains. Yet people continue to go on about how Pro models represent great value because Stern can't afford to build them for less.
Can you hear that noise in the distance? That's the sound of a rapidly expanding bubble stretched to its limits and about to explode.
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+ 1 pinsanity
in edition the spike system has just been released but has been around for a while as it was used in "The Pin" to prove the system worked so the development costs were a while back and it must be cheap it it was in the pin.
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Internet puffery. What a load of wank.
You don't have a sense of humour.
If you can't afford it get a better job was a joke.lol
Anything ending in lol like the above comment means it was comedic or was a joke, sarcasm etc etc etc etc
Less time looking up big words in dictionary's and more time with us commoners Pinsanity and you won't have to look up big fluffy words like puffery. Lol
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+ 1 pinsanity
in edition the spike system has just been released but has been around for a while as it was used in "The Pin" to prove the system worked so the development costs were a while back and it must be cheap it it was in the pin.
Good point, swinks. I forgot they already had spike beta testing underway in The Pin. I also believe a member here on AP spotted one in an ACDC quite some time ago as well.
The R and D argument alone to justify the price gouge on current models just doesn't add up.
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Less time looking up big words in dictionary's and more time with us commoners Pinsanity and you won't have to look up big fluffy words like puffery.
You are confusing alleged superiority with a refusal to be servile. You cannot use someone like studley as your yardstick with which to measure how you would like a person from SA to behave in your online presence.
If you require a benchmark standard then I suggest you look to someone like Creech this forum's founder and fellow South Aussie who had the foresight to set up AP as a direct antithesis to curtail personality types such as yours and not have this forum become just another AA clone.
You have 10 people on this forum directly ignoring you. That represents well over 50% of the active regular membership contributors. Does this not register with you at all?
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Ahhhhhhhhh yes, the 3 or 4 people who set up multiple accounts to make a political statement out of the hundreds of people who read everything every night.
It's not a popularity contest but if it were, I am sure you would claim that you surely are the winner.
Using other members names as your so called yardstick is just rude, disrespectful and typically elitist.
Try not to be a total dick and stick to pinball.
That's if you can get out of the mirror for ten minutes.
I have dozens of friendly PM,s every week from many many members, have a large contact of friends from the forum, so I will keep doing my posts my way, and you can keep doing your big word puffery posts your way.
How's that sound book worm ?
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Clearly you have some deeper psychological issues going on champ.
Like your similar recent behaviour towards Pop Bumper Pete, I'll leave you to fester in your anger.
You can keep checking in all night if it makes you feel better and make sure you get the last reply.
By the way, the words being used aren't all that complex, perhaps the fault lies closer to home? It isn't as though I am typing in some foreign language like "Chineese". %$%
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Ouch, I just got an ignore added. Who could it be now with only one other person currently logged in to the forum?
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Your a doctor now ?
I have no anger, just some sarcasm and wit. Don't take things too seriously, you might have a stroke. Lol
When you are laying in bed, how many mirrors have you put up on the ceiling ? Is it easy typing laying down ? Lol
I haven't hit the childish ignore button cause I can read your posts. It must be someone else who doesn't like big dictionary words like puffery. Lol @@*
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Less time looking up big words in dictionary's and more time with us commoners Pinsanity and you won't have to look up big fluffy words like puffery.
You are confusing alleged superiority with a refusal to be servile. You cannot use someone like studley as your yardstick with which to measure how you would like a person from SA to behave in your online presence.
If you require a benchmark standard then I suggest you look to someone like Creech this forum's founder and fellow South Aussie who had the foresight to set up AP as a direct antithesis to curtail personality types such as yours and not have this forum become just another AA clone.
You have 10 people on this forum directly ignoring you. That represents well over 50% of the active regular membership contributors. Does this not register with you at all?
you do not know me ruben.but i have given you the oportunity meet and great.and yes i can't spell either.
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here are a few photos, and does look nice and original as it looks like it is coming with wood rails, and it looks like the score reals are lcd (click the photos as they do enlarge)
1. the selling product
2. the LE version with a topper %.%
3. and a early video
utoplay=1&rel=0
I can see one mod for the crate - make a opening drawer - may as well store crap in there.
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I like the look of it nice PF :) is it a multiple player using one score reel? Or just a single player? I haven't followed this game so don't really no a lot about it but I couldn't imagine in this day and age a one player game!
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I like the look of it nice PF :) is it a multiple player using one score reel? Or just a single player? I haven't followed this game so don't really no a lot about it but I couldn't imagine in this day and age a one player game!
1 score real / one player only as it is a retro approach
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Seriously folks - keep the thread on topic and leave the personal stuff out of it.
Stern have a large problem on their hands. Those that claim the price hike is due to the R&D of the Spike system miss the point that Stern developed Spike well before Wrestlemania. In fact, in simple terms, the success of AC/DC funded Spike. Spike didn't miraculously occur overnight. It would have been budgeted and funded with games produced 18 months ago. In simple terms, sales from Metallica funded spike. Sales from TWD will fund a new system that their R&D are working on now.
Again, like after the massive success of AC/DC, Stern have another hit on their hands - TWD. BUT - all the LE buyers that had committed to the LE (that I know) are NOT buying "anything" Stern release due to the price rise. This is Global - not confined to AUS. Nothing to do with the AUS$. So now we arrive at another fiasco and again, Stern back peddle. There is no way anyone would pay for BJM. Absolute lunacy.
Ironic that when any boutique manufacturer gets involved with a larger company, the price automatically hikes. Is it a case of Stern monopolizing the industry by making the boutique manufacturers pay a huge fee (designed to put them out of business) ?
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I am now a little miffed! I really need more details as it looks COMPLETELY different to the original. I mean a kick out instead of gobble hole, return lanes, no manual ball lift, LCD score reels-WTF pfft.
Please release some confirmed details soon STERN.
I can not buy on aesthetics alone. It MUST have an old school feel. !@#
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I think Stern would've been best to leave it to the boutique manufacturer. I think the playfield looks very boring.
I can't see the appeal with this game and I think pinball prices across the board ( new and used ) are too high now.
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I suspect that the money people backing stern now are focused, as money people will be, on maximizing return, and pressing the envelope to see where the burst spot is. What better way than a non-direct stern product? Clever money people. Or maybe not given the reaction.
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I suspect that the money people backing stern now are focused, as money people will be, on maximizing return, and pressing the envelope to see where the burst spot is. What better way than a non-direct stern product? Clever money people. Or maybe not given the reaction.
That's obvious isn't it? Backers with the cash want a return on there investment and as much and as fast as possible :) but having said that without them Stern may have folded and who knows where pinball would be now. Must be cheaper for the smaller company's to utalise sterns production line like the MMr people-maybe Jack should have to lol
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Ironic that when any boutique manufacturer gets involved with a larger company, the price automatically hikes. Is it a case of Stern monopolizing the industry by making the boutique manufacturers pay a huge fee (designed to put them out of business) ?
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And perhaps also to try and reinforce the perception to the market that their core Pro model is seen as the better value product?
Stern have already indirectly shown with The Pin what sort of BOM is involved with these machines using core components and their standard assemblies manufactured en masse and still turn a profit.
Add a coin door, a proper display and extend the dimensions of the cab/backbox slightly on The Pin and you essentially have a standard Pro pinball machine - for $3000US less.
As swinks pointed out, even the OS is the same as the regular line.
Genuine Stern Pinball flippers, slingshots, tilt-mechanism and pop bumpers.
All LED lighting to provide optimal color and lighting performance—LED lights use less power and last far longer than incandescent light bulbs.
Hi-definition, full-color cabinet artwork and decals.
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I suspect that the money people backing stern now are focused, as money people will be, on maximizing return, and pressing the envelope to see where the burst spot is. What better way than a non-direct stern product? Clever money people. Or maybe not given the reaction.
That's obvious isn't it? Backers with the cash want a return on there investment and as much and as fast as possible :) but having said that without them Stern may have folded and who knows where pinball would be now. Must be cheaper for the smaller company's to utalise sterns production line like the MMr people-maybe Jack should have to lol
That's an interesting question. When the investors came in and made some hard decisions, Stern turned the corner. Can't re-write history - that's what saved Stern. Stern did not save pinball. If Stern folded, then all the rest of the games manufactured prior would still exist. The restoration side of the industry would still exist. Collections would still exist. The boutique manufacturers would be popping up all over the place, and at the same time falling over.
Pinball is not just NIB. If EVERYONE closed there doors, pinball would still be alive. Anyone making games means nothing to woodrail collectors, EM collectors, SS collectors and most DMD collectors. The parts industry would be flourishing as cashed up Stern collectors would revert back to older games, or move out of the hobby.
This is another example of dumb decisions by people at the top. This happens in all industries. In is part of running a business.
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I like your post Pete(Gorgar).
But I am seeing sooo many negative assumptions about Sterns business model and what they should or shouldn't do.
It's almost as though profit is a dirty word.
Stern are allowed to make a profit but not too much of a profit according to some.
Sending Stern the occassional email gets you polite and factual answers back.
A factory visit in 2015 and 2016 would be a great idea for those open to that type of trip and education.
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I like your post Pete(Gorgar).
But I am seeing sooo many negative assumptions about Sterns business model and what they should or shouldn't do.
It's almost as though profit is a dirty word.
Stern are allowed to make a profit but not too much of a profit according to some.
Sending Stern the occassional email gets you polite and factual answers back.
A factory visit in 2015 and 2016 would be a great idea for those open to that type of trip and education.
You are missing the main point being made... of course they can make a profit, its what business is about. But there is a point where too much profit kills your market as sales will slump.
The machine price announced is just too damn expensive, people don't like it and will refuse to buy.
Stern can do what they like... but if they want to continue their success then there is a plateau above which the customer base falls away.
Stern aren't kings of the market... the customers are.. without them there is no Stern
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If i buy big juicy melons
they will be at the supermarket. :D
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the same place i "purchase"(big word for a commoner) my pineapple coolie :D
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AMD will have one of these beauties to play.
When Sydney has the launch party I think it will be a popular night.
Some people are saying the machine is too expensive but I am sure there are a thousand or more people who are cashed up with disposable incomes and it will make a nice addition.
It is going to be a limited edition.
Resale prices should be very high if the game is as good as most think it is going to be.
Really looking forward to seeing the official press release with photos and videos. The colours look amazing.
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I reckon it'll sell cause it's actually being made :) for me no thanks :(
Who doesn't like big juicy melons %$%
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
Hang on . . . AMD must be buying at Wholesale . . . . therefore their markup is WAY more than +12% or $1,000.
Hence there is more than one bad guy involved in this GREED driven fiasco.
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Spot on, PP. ^^^
That's what I have found based on past experience with the US distros that have so much leeway with their "under the table" deals. They buy at a special rate depending on how much clout (i.e. sales turnover) they have with Stern and then use that bargaining muscle to pass on those savings to the consumer in order to get the sale instead of their competitor in the next US State over.
If only our dollar hadn't dropped into the mid 70s, it would still be worthwhile doing it this way. When it gets back above say .85 that might change though. #@#
As most of us have realised, AMD are quick to raise retail prices with our fluctuating dollar, but not when it comes to lowering them.
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
Hang on . . . AMD must be buying at Wholesale . . . . therefore their markup is WAY more than +12% or $1,000.
Hence there is more than one bad guy involved in this GREED driven fiasco.
would agree as well, have noticed in the past that AMD are about $2000 above the RRP of the US when our dollar was roughly 1 : 1 with the US dollar and passed on price rises even when our dollar was stronger than the US
they would have to start seeing a drop in sales.
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The USA has so many different distributors so there's competition :) maybe that's the problem here? I'd like a large discount but what do I do? Don't buy? But I like there products and I've had the older games but most bore me apart from a select few :)
EDIT: being a repeat customer I do get some discounts.
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The USA has so many different distributors so there's competition :) maybe that's the problem here? I'd like a large discount but what do I do? Don't buy? But I like there products and I've had the older games but most bore me apart from a select few :)
EDIT: being a repeat customer I do get some discounts.
valid point, not alot that aussies can do if they like a new stern game
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I would still like one, but!
to quote the movie FULL METAL JACKET
"I bet you're the kind of guy who would fxxk a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around. I'll be watching you!
I have waited quite a few years for an original theme NIB, my dream may just be disappearing. *.*
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It's a shame because many people wanted to buy this. The assumption most had was that it had less features and so should be cheaper.. turns out not to be the case.
It will sell but much fewer than it could have.
Must admit.. its a nice bright pinny, I can see why many wanted it.
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
The costing discussed in this thread is incorrect. AMD do not mark up on a US RRP. The simple way to estimate the Aussie price is to compare the US RRP for BJM and the US RRP of Sterns last release being WWE. There is about a $US500 price increase from WWE Pro to BJM. So with WWE Pro listed at $A7,850 retail, BJM should retail for about $8,400.
But yes, it still dashes hopes of BJM being less than a Stern Pro.
Also note that though Stern had savings with BJM not being a licensed theme, that saving was likely less than the commission paid to Whizbang. I expect that is what really killed the price.
What is most disappointing, is that this will not be a cheaper option for operators than a Stern Pro, such that it will not be common on location. With the layout being simple, I hoped it would have drawn a heap of new players into the game.
A wise long term strategy could have been to sell BJM at near cost price, just to get a heap of these simple games on location. Doing this once every three years would draw in new younger players, based on the simplicity as well as the proliferation of the machine on location. Look what happened when ACDC was introduced to Australia, with a drop in price thanks to the Aussie dollar increase. ACDC Pro retailed at less than $6,000 - it was found everywhere, and is what resurrected pinball here. (yes the theme helped of course).
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BJM is a multiplayer game. Presumably the score reals alternate between players.
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
The costing discussed in this thread is incorrect. AMD do not mark up on a US RRP. The simple way to estimate the Aussie price is to compare the US RRP for BJM and the US RRP of Sterns last release being WWE. There is about a $US500 price increase from WWE Pro to BJM. So with WWE Pro listed at $A7,850 retail, BJM should retail for about $8,400.
But yes, it still dashes hopes of BJM being less than a Stern Pro.
Also note that though Stern had savings with BJM not being a licensed theme, that saving was likely less than the commission paid to Whizbang. I expect that is what really killed the price.
What is most disappointing, is that this will not be a cheaper option for operators than a Stern Pro, such that it will not be common on location. With the layout being simple, I hoped it would have drawn a heap of new players into the game.
A wise long term strategy could have been to sell BJM at near cost price, just to get a heap of these simple games on location. Doing this once every three years would draw in new younger players, based on the simplicity as well as the proliferation of the machine on location. Look what happened when ACDC was introduced to Australia, with a drop in price thanks to the Aussie dollar increase. ACDC Pro retailed at less than $6,000 - it was found everywhere, and is what resurrected pinball here. (yes the theme helped of course).
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BJM is a multiplayer game. Presumably the score reals alternate between players.
Well said that makes a ton of sence :) thats good news its a multiplayer I thought it was weird that in this day and age someone would make a single player game how boring lol didn't they make single player EMs back in the day to save costs? Unfortunately these days no matter what theme pinball in the wild is dead-if ACDC struggled to make money in Australia then nothing can-having said that some ops said ACDC did do ok :)
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
The costing discussed in this thread is incorrect. AMD do not mark up on a US RRP. The simple way to estimate the Aussie price is to compare the US RRP for BJM and the US RRP of Sterns last release being WWE. There is about a $US500 price increase from WWE Pro to BJM. So with WWE Pro listed at $A7,850 retail, BJM should retail for about $8,400.
But yes, it still dashes hopes of BJM being less than a Stern Pro.
Also note that though Stern had savings with BJM not being a licensed theme, that saving was likely less than the commission paid to Whizbang. I expect that is what really killed the price.
What is most disappointing, is that this will not be a cheaper option for operators than a Stern Pro, such that it will not be common on location. With the layout being simple, I hoped it would have drawn a heap of new players into the game.
A wise long term strategy could have been to sell BJM at near cost price, just to get a heap of these simple games on location. Doing this once every three years would draw in new younger players, based on the simplicity as well as the proliferation of the machine on location. Look what happened when ACDC was introduced to Australia, with a drop in price thanks to the Aussie dollar increase. ACDC Pro retailed at less than $6,000 - it was found everywhere, and is what resurrected pinball here. (yes the theme helped of course).
PS
BJM is a multiplayer game. Presumably the score reals alternate between players.
we will see on AMD's price but I think you are not factoring the AUD exchange rate especially when Bruce has received his pricing information yet so hard to say it is incorrect when you are guessing just as much as I am.
$6500 US = $8360 AUD even before you factor freight costs as well import and other taxes + their (AMD) cherry on the top (which they have always put on top to cover the fluctuation in the dollar value and even did when our dollar was really good). But when the USD = AUD there was always a $1500 to $2000 on top of Stern's US RRP price for us Aussies. We all know that the US have competition between pin distributors so the price would drop $500 to if you were lucky $1000 below the RRP. We don't have the competition as it is a one distributor only so we are hit with the US RRP + freight + various taxes (which are based on invoice price + freight) + cherry.
in addition I think since Stern have retracted the official release which I reckon due to the negative backlash is that I think they will drop the price and therefore lower RRP and a lower Aus sale price. My guess the RRP will drop to $6000 USD = $8500 to $9000 for us Aussies.
I do agree with you on the non licensed fee has probably turned into a commission to Dennis and Co, but since it is a cheaper machine in parts I can't see the value in the raised RRP. as timber rails and crate would equal ramps and toys and to a degree the machine was designed & tested prior but would of had to undergo some design changes with the spike programming and voices but at least at 50% less than a regular Stern designed game. Though these are wild guesses but still something to consider.
Also pretty sure it is a one player only as Dennis stated in a Spooky interview.
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The extra alleged $500 for the Whoa Nellie pinball won't do much to stop serious buyers. It will just be an extra $500 someone throws on top of the AMD finance arranged package or the credit card etc.
Some people will just write a cheque and say big deal since they will probably want to keep the machine forever.
Either way people who buy it brand new can't lose, it will just be rare and will hold its resale value high.
People are complaining about brand new in box prices when really, the price of every 2nd hand pinball from SS to DMD 1990,s stuff has doubled in price to absurd levels. If I sold my pinball collection now, I would double my money from what I paid for everything. The 2nd hand market for 90,s stuff is turned insane but people are paying it.
It makes the $7850 Brand New in Box Stern Pro prices very reasonable indeed.
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Forgot to mention, people in the USA are receiving their Medi Evil Madness remakes from Stern so the old factory is still pumping out this title before they move.
No one has complained about the prices of those which make Whoa Nellie look very cheap !
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Forgot to mention, people in the USA are receiving their Medi Evil Madness remakes from Stern so the old factory is still pumping out this title before they move.
No one has complained about the prices of those which make Whoa Nellie look very cheap !
different kettle of fish as MM's were hitting $16k in the US for the originals so there is a market for this machine, but it will reduce the value of the originals and the machines are made for Planetary and then on-sold to Planetary's dealers and then to the customers, Who Nellie is direct to their distributors so one piece of the pie is cut out to a degree.
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...Also pretty sure it is a one player only as Dennis stated in a Spooky interview.
Its definitely a multiplayer game. Stern stated on in a comment on their Facebook page yesterday:
"STERN PINBALL, INC. Actually the new Whoa Nellie is a 4 player game!!!"
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/a.386178974243.167508.136972659243/10153146352944244/?type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/a.386178974243.167508.136972659243/10153146352944244/?type=1)
(see Stern response comment dated Sat 21 March 2:44am, Aus EDST?)
Also again regarding the Australian price, AMD add their margin to the Stern Wholesale price, not the US RRP. We don't know the wholesale price, which is why it's easier to simply compare current model US RRP and Aus RRP.
Another way of estimating the Aussie RRP price is by seeing where BJM fits in to the US pro and premium prices. TWD is $US7,500 RRP for a premium and $US6,000 for a Pro. So BJM at $US6,500 RRP would mean that BJM is priced closer to a Pro than a Premium. So simply in Australia, BJM should be closer in price to a Pro than a Premium.
...But the magic price I was hoping for, for the sake of making it a viable cheap location pin, was that it be less than a Pro.
We are of course all speculating on price indications. AMD will release within the week.
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Stern BJM gameplay video on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FB7ZarpJ1g&list=UUxpi_Z_1emaKs909Oiop_-A&t=59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FB7ZarpJ1g&list=UUxpi_Z_1emaKs909Oiop_-A&t=59)
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here is food for the thought
WWE Pro only released 2 months ago is $1000 cheaper than Whoa Nellie - that is a price hike
These are Stern's MSRP prices:
March / 2015 / Whoa Nellie / Boutique / $6499
January / 2015 / WWE / Pro / $5495
December / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Premium / $7595
June / 2014 / Iron Man Vault / Pro / $5495
March / 2014 / Mustang / Pro / $5395
March / 2014 / Mustang / Premium / $7495
March / 2014 / Mustang / LE / $8495
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For me, it is not so much the price but the different layout to the original. Seems to be way to many " short cuts " for lack of a better word.
I have to withhold my judgement until I see more video or press releases.
One positive I like is the option of fitting legs.
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Am I the ONLY person that thinks this is an absolute overblown / overpriced POS?
Seriously - this hobby collectively complains and complains until the cows come home for the last 5 years that Sterns Pro version of X title doesnt have this / doesnt have that , the game doesnt have many good shots ,what a rip off etc etc and picks the sh*t out of any new release down to the finest playfield detail and then debates those details for weeks/ months over and over - yet here we have basically an EM game in a shiny new box with a nice 'cool truck' on the artwork that overall looks BORING as all hell and a terrible player if you see the video and yet no one is 'complaining' about the lack of 'anything, rather just mainly carrying on about Sterns / AMD business models - sheeeeeeesh #@#
I am truly astonished at this release of such a dud game ( at this price )
Yes I understand its a different concept and all but 10k landed or so - COME ON
Maybe at 2k - tops - MAYBE.
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Am I the ONLY person that thinks this is an absolute overblown / overpriced POS?
YES!
No there is quite a few who think like you, I believe the simple things in life are often the best.
Simple like a drummer %.%
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I believe the simple things in life are often the best.
Simple like a drummer
Thank you for that compliment &&
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different kettle of fish as MM's were hitting $16k in the US for the originals so there is a market for this machine, but it will reduce the value of the originals and the machines are made for Planetary and then on-sold to Planetary's dealers and then to the customers, Who Nellie is direct to their distributors so one piece of the pie is cut out to a degree.
swinks is spot on. ^^^
Perception of value comes into play again with MM just like it does with the current Pro/BJM pricing debacle. Original MM's were selling for $16k and in some cases above that in the US so when a Clayton's version gets announced for half the price of course buyers are going to stampede to get their hands on one.
Looking at about 12k landed here in Aus for a Clayton's version so the chasm isn't as wide between that and a well restored original here in Aus.
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I agree with Wotto on this one, over priced POS.
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Am I the ONLY person that thinks this is an absolute overblown / overpriced POS?
Seriously - this hobby collectively complains and complains until the cows come home for the last 5 years that Sterns Pro version of X title doesnt have this / doesnt have that , the game doesnt have many good shots ,what a rip off etc etc and picks the sh*t out of any new release down to the finest playfield detail and then debates those details for weeks/ months over and over - yet here we have basically an EM game in a shiny new box with a nice 'cool truck' on the artwork that overall looks BORING as all hell and a terrible player if you see the video and yet no one is 'complaining' about the lack of 'anything, rather just mainly carrying on about Sterns / AMD business models - sheeeeeeesh #@#
I am truly astonished at this release of such a dud game ( at this price )
Yes I understand its a different concept and all but 10k landed or so - COME ON
Maybe at 2k - tops - MAYBE.
Love your work mate - Brilliant ^^^
I thought the game looked terrible the day they posted initial pictures. I would like the powers to be to explain EXACTLY what the buyer is paying for ? It is a $3000 pinball - and lucky to be that high.
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Paying for the big juicy melons.
I will stick to 99c a kilo tops.
Spit the pips and enjoy the taste.
To spend 10K on this thing would make me a melon head!
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I can't believe this response from Stern in regards to their lack of promoting a product.
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No one in Australia has seen or even played Whoa Nellie in the flesh yet but a lot are whinging. It cracks me up.
Some people will complain about anything. Lol
Maybe wait until the game arrives in Australia and people get to play it themselves.
Then make an informed decision would be more common sense to me.
And who wants to see some stuffy tournament player holding a ball on a flipper for five minutes and hitting the same high point shot over and over again.
If a video of a game shows an average player having a bash, at least newbies to pinball think that they have a chance of having a bit of fun.
Sometimes I think the pinball industry has the highest complaint rate in the world.
Pinball is meant to be fun. It's not meant to be a complaint fest.
I am happy someone has made something very different and unique in Whoa Nellie.
Do you think Stern is going to try something Unlicenced and different again if every one whinges about every single detail ?
Everyone has been asking for Unlicenced and different/unique for years. It arrives and people complain and complain.
Another thing that makes me laugh hard is people calling the Medi Evil remake a Claytons. Pffftttt. What a crack up.
It's like identical gameplay wise. And the new MM remake is 2015 technology not 1990,s etc.
Calling it a Claytons is just ridiculous.
Is that what you do if you have the shits and realise you paid ridiculous money for a 1990,s model Medi Evil Madness when the hype was ridiculous and now people are seeing their friends buying brand new MM,s for apx 10 grand USA or less than 12 k in Australia for a brand new and improved build.
I would have a brand new MM any day before buying a machine which is close to 20 years old with 20 years of use on it. Claytons just started tasting a lot better, and cheaper. Food for thought.
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The saving grace for the Nellie is that it uses the new Stern SPIKE system. IMO that is a good think - forget looks or game play for the moment, at least it should be a reliable and repairable platform into the future.
The refake MM uses a hobby/toy controller board and it is a complete joke that they are asking the idiotic money for it.
The controller in the MM was designed for HOBBYISTS to learn about microcontrollers and then use that knowledge to make a REAL PRODUCT!!! It was NEVER intended to be used in a finished, commercial product. This is an insult and demonstrates a complete lack of ANY electronic knowledge by the people responsible for this abomination (not Stern).
It certainly cements the value of the originals and the originals will be repairable LONG after these POS are junked.
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I've been ignoring all the hype cause I'm not interested in it LOL
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I can't believe this response from Stern in regards to their lack of promoting a product.
It's called projectional blame shifting, swinks. ^^^
Rather than reflect inwardly on their own character defects they project themselves with defensiveness outwards onto others.
Plenty of people do it to protect their self esteem, particularly after having unrelated ongoing personal problems befall them.
Better to take the high ground and feel pity for them rather than to respond with matching hostility.
The downside is that in an online world that course of action will be interpreted by simpletons as some kind of weakness when it is anything but.
The refake MM uses a hobby/toy controller board and it is a complete joke that they are asking the idiotic money for it.
The controller in the MM was designed for HOBBYISTS to learn about microcontrollers and then use that knowledge to make a REAL PRODUCT!!! It was NEVER intended to be used in a finished, commercial product. This is an insult and demonstrates a complete lack of ANY electronic knowledge by the people responsible for this abomination (not Stern).
It certainly cements the value of the originals and the originals will be repairable LONG after these POS are junked.
Well said. *%*
It was a quick money grab as a direct response to a price spike (pardon the pun) with little forethought put into long term durability or robustness.
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RRP - $6500 USD = $8500 AUD + AMD markup = $9500 - $10000 + freight to your door.
The costing discussed in this thread is incorrect. AMD do not mark up on a US RRP. The simple way to estimate the Aussie price is to compare the US RRP for BJM and the US RRP of Sterns last release being WWE. There is about a $US500 price increase from WWE Pro to BJM. So with WWE Pro listed at $A7,850 retail, BJM should retail for about $8,400.
AMD just finalised the price
$9250 incl. gst ex our Alexandria,Sydney office,arriving here end May.
so not far off
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Accept my apologies Swinks. I never thought it could be possible that the Aussie price would be that high.
I can't see them selling more than two or three here.
For it to sell well, it needed to be less than a Pro. I think that is one thing everyone on this thread agrees.
..there are much better layout EMs out there that you can buy for much less and in mint condition.
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Accept my apologies Swinks. I never thought it could be possible that the Aussie price would be that high.
I can't see them selling more than two or three here.
For it to sell well, it needed to be less than a Pro. I think that is one thing everyone on this thread agrees.
..there are much better layout EMs out there that you can buy for much less and in mint condition.
No worries BB, no reason to apologise, we all have different view points and opinions so all sweet.
though I think AMD may have reduced the price as well as even the though the MSRP between the WWE and WNBJM is $1000 USD, AMD's selling price is only $500 difference between the 2 so I am sure they even know they aren't going to sell many at $9750 nor at $9250.
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I can't believe this response from Stern in regards to their lack of promoting a product.
It's called projectional blame shifting, swinks. ^^^
Rather than reflect inwardly on their own character defects they project themselves with defensiveness outwards onto others.
Plenty of people do it to protect their self esteem, particularly after having unrelated ongoing personal problems befall them.
Better to take the high ground and feel pity for them rather than to respond with matching hostility.
The downside is that in an online world that course of action will be interpreted by simpletons as some kind of weakness when it is anything but.
The refake MM uses a hobby/toy controller board and it is a complete joke that they are asking the idiotic money for it.
The controller in the MM was designed for HOBBYISTS to learn about microcontrollers and then use that knowledge to make a REAL PRODUCT!!! It was NEVER intended to be used in a finished, commercial product. This is an insult and demonstrates a complete lack of ANY electronic knowledge by the people responsible for this abomination (not Stern).
It certainly cements the value of the originals and the originals will be repairable LONG after these POS are junked.
Well said. *%*
It was a quick money grab as a direct response to a price spike (pardon the pun) with little forethought put into long term durability or robustness.
All the PERFECT people in the pinball industry don't have to do any of this. Lol
Human nature is far from perfect. People try their best and fall in love with their hard work and pinball designs and engineering efforts. It's only normal people defend their efforts.
These people try their best and you have to respect the honorable efforts.
No person is perfect. No person is without problems.
We are human, not robots.
Sometimes a little compassion goes a long way.
You do your best and hold your head high knowing tomorrow is another day to try and try again.
Pinball design people have my vote for passion and dedication. They aren't perfect but they try their best to bring fun to our lives. Can't knock people for being passionate and trying their best. That's how I see it.
Just my opinion.
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The details are far and few between on this unique game. I have been asked for an answer by Friday morning. How the hell can I do that without any real details?
Does it have real reels? or LCD as it looks like!
Does it have real cow bells, bells and knockers as what was proposed?
Close up of bumpers as they look 2D unlike the original?
What happened to the gobble hole, now kick out?
just to name a few.
I need unique selling features as this is a lot of coin that I may part with and want to have the FULL picture, not a half arsed spool and no close pics, detailed features or decent video.
I am looking past the $ and willing to sacrifice a few pins and $ to get one as I believe this could be a lot of fun.
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and this is what Stern should of posted originally, notice the mini lcd in the apron for multiplayer. In that video the score does look like mechs....
utoplay=1&rel=0
if Stern were smart they should of released 2 decent videos (a good game play and another about the rules) and let people think and dream for a few days before releasing the price.
makes you wonder about the marketing techniques..... not helping themselves but at least this is a better example.
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^^ that's a better video and those little flippers are pretty snappy :) will be interesting to see how they sell.
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I was too busy watching the lady behind them apply that apron decal. :lol
Much better video though.
Thanks swinks for posting. ^^^
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Love the colours and game noises.
If the price was around the price of a Stern Pro I would say yes to one.
Let's see what happens to pricing adjustments ??
Has anyone on here ordered one or are people keeping it close to their chest ?
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Has anyone asked Stern when the official video and sales flyer will be released. Or has anyone asked Bruce at AMD ?
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just get a better job and buy one %.% you can afford a bit of rarity
when was the last time Stern released an official promo video - I think that was it
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A three minute video of designers Greg and Dennis talking to the game:
https://youtu.be/OsX202XBxs4 (https://youtu.be/OsX202XBxs4)
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The idea was cool with the playfield layout, the colours and the artwork. It does have features of an EM, but not the character. The cabinet is atrocious, and the gobble holes are gone. The original idea has been lost in the "modernization" of an EM with latest technology. As an old fart, this project misses the point.
Why aren't Stern promoting this product ? They are simply producing it and distributing it. Seriously, I'd say AUS$2000 is too much for this game. No, I don't want to play it.
Ironically, Capcom wanted the feel of an SS game when they released Breakshot. Absolutely amazing game, because they kept the original character of a game from that period. This machine does not look like anything from any period. It is an abomination - made worse by a pricetag that would suggest it was made of gold.
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A three minute video of designers Greg and Dennis talking to the game:
https://youtu.be/OsX202XBxs4 (https://youtu.be/OsX202XBxs4)
Nice video, thanks for posting.
I really hope that some of these make it out on location over here. I'd love to play it.
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just get a better job and buy one %.% you can afford a bit of rarity
when was the last time Stern released an official promo video - I think that was it
It wouldn't matter if I had a million dollars cash spare, I would only by this game for the same or less than a brand new Pro.
Pricing and purchasing only gets the nod based on value for money, not based on what cash is in the bank.
There is spending money and their is wasting money.
Just because you have money so to speak, doesn't mean you blindly waste it or overspend on items.
That's the quickest way to have no spare cash or assets.
The original comment of get a better job was tounge in cheek.
Stern should be more proactive in releasing official videos of launches. I agree here.
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just get a better job and buy one %.% you can afford a bit of rarity
when was the last time Stern released an official promo video - I think that was it
It wouldn't matter if I had a million dollars cash spare, I would only by this game for the same or less than a brand new Pro.
Pricing and purchasing only gets the nod based on value for money, not based on what cash is in the bank.
There is spending money and their is wasting money.
Just because you have money so to speak, doesn't mean you blindly waste it or overspend on items.
That's the quickest way to have no spare cash or assets.
The original comment of get a better job was tounge in cheek.
Stern should be more proactive in releasing official videos of launches. I agree here.
Mine was tongue and cheek as well hence the laughing face
But what if this price is the new Pro price,
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When I first got wind of BJM I was very interested as I have always thought it would be nice to have an old EM style of game with some more reliable modern technology incorporated into it.
I now agree with most people on this one I think it's missed the mark and doesn't really give me the feel that's it's an EM at all....not to mention the out there price tag.
I'm with Nino on this one if your after a newer machine with an older style/feel about it go for a Capcom Breakshot it really kicks arse and you'll have enough change left over for another game or two.
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I think I am the only person who REALLY wants one.
The more I read and see, the more convinced I am.
I have a problem &^&
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I think I am the only person who REALLY wants one.
The more I read and see, the more convinced I am.
I have a problem &^&
if it was cheaper I would have one as well, looks like fun, love the colourful art though personally would go with standard pinball legs over the crate.
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Bryan Kelly on Pinside said the word on the street that only 300 to be made.
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Ok. Cool Swinksy.
I would pay apx $7800 for a new Pro and negotiate hard on delivery and shaker.
Anymore than this and I start to wonder if I would really bother.
I can u der stand the pricing cause of the lousy Australian dollar, but price hikes without extremely good reasons don't go down well with any product.
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Bryan Kelly on Pinside said the word on the street that only 300 to be made.
300 to be made, but how many to be actually sold to the end consumer and not just sitting in storage at the local distro?
Put a numbered plaque on it and include a laminated cerificate. Get Nordman,Freres and the omnipotent Gary to add their John Hancocks to the machine and you might add some perception of value to it amongst the punters.
Right now it is the equivalent of buying the first box of cherries for the season at the local market.
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$9250 is a big stack of coin to spend on this game.
I can't see 5k worth of value in it let alone $9250.
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Just saw the flyer and some better video, for me it is right up my alley. Unique and quirky #*#
I am not mainstream and therefore think it is a ball tearer.
Will I do my $ probably, probably not! I am not in it for the $. For the fun, social aspect and enjoyment only.
This will be AWESOME in my weird collection. Unfortunately two other unique MODERNISH games must go as no room! ^&^
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$9250 is a big stack of coin to spend on this game.
I can't see 5k worth of value in it let alone $9250.
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Very true! but what art or collectible item is worth the $ on face value. NONE!
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$9250 is a big stack of coin to spend on this game.
I can't see 5k worth of value in it let alone $9250.
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Very true! but what art or collectible item is worth the $ on face value. NONE!
I know of a few collectible guitars that are worth every cent.
^^^
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Just saw the flyer and some better video, for me it is right up my alley. Unique and quirky #*#
I am not mainstream and therefore think it is a ball tearer.
Will I do my $ probably, probably not! I am not in it for the $. For the fun, social aspect and enjoyment only.
This will be AWESOME in my weird collection. Unfortunately two other unique MODERNISH games must go as no room! ^&^
I say congratulations on your decision because if you like the machine and think it is going to give you and your guests enjoyment, then that's all that matters.
The only thing I would consider is not ordering straight away at the high price because both Stern and AMD might relook at the pricing over the next few months if sales are slow and the general feedback is that the machine should be the same price as a Pro.
But if you think the current pricing represents a value for money situation now, then go ahead.
I reckon the game will become very collectable because they won't build that many. But they might do a vault edition in 18 months time and who knows what the price will do.
I also love the look and feel of the game. I like unique and this pin oozes personality and unique.
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Those Hitler videos are farkin classics. Thanks for sharing.
Good to see you back on the forum Daz(CC) haven't seen u around for a few months.
Hope u and yours are doing well mate.
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I am FULLY aware of this and as stated, life is not about money. Here for a good time, not a long time.
I am not sacrificing much as I will let a few other treasures go. Hey it will help me thin out!
$100 note is printed on 0.005c of plastic.
Pinball is NOT a serious investment.
I value the ocean, put a price on that?
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Well said. I like your thought process.
If something gives u a lot of joy it is priceless.
That's the excuse I use to keep buying machines and my second reasoning is that my 5 year old son Hunter,s eyes light up when he plays pinball. Seeing him having fun is worth a trillion dollars.
Here's a question regarding Whoa Nellie, I wonder how many men want to buy it but their wives wouldn't let those big melons in the house. We aren't as conservative in Australia as some in the USA but I wonder if unhappy wives here and there will say NO and would this have an impact on overall sales. I am probably overthinking it but has anyone else thought about that ?
Can't wait to see the first Aussie Pinball member do some photos and a video of their Whoa Nellie unboxings.
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I am FULLY aware of this and as stated, life is not about money. Here for a good time, not a long time.
I am not sacrificing much as I will let a few other treasures go. Hey it will help me thin out!
$100 note is printed on 0.005c of plastic.
Pinball is NOT a serious investment.
I value the ocean, put a price on that?
Well said :) hope to see some unboxing pics :)
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Bryan Kelly on Pinside said the word on the street that only 300 to be made.
Are you completely sure Bryan didnt accidentally put one or even TWO too many ZEROS on the end of that 3?
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Price check aisle 5.
You could buy half a dozen decent EM's for this price and add some custom sounds with a Raspberry Pi or equivalent.
Or buy a King of Diamonds remake for 3795 from Fabulous Fantasies.
WOZLE was 6500US for early adopters.
I can't see Stern suddenly dropping the RRP anytime soon. This is primarily a temp contract job to them for Nordman/Freres.
No real skin off the Stern brand if sales are less than projected.
Good luck to those actually buying one and can put the price secondary to the actual product. ^^^
Is Joe getting any in over in the West oldskool or will it be ex Sydney?
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I think I am the only person who REALLY wants one.
The more I read and see, the more convinced I am.
I have a problem &^&
Go for it!
Most of us are disappointed with the price, with some not liking the game regardless of price. Personally I like the game, but my only disappointment is that I well never see it on location, where I had hoped it's simplicity would draw in a new crowd to pinball.
I love modern games, and as they have much more 'feel good' shots, but can't be bothered with their complex rules - though I understand that is great for the home market. I like this game as it looks simple to understand, and the artwork on the play field and backglass is exceptional to me. I hate the look of the create under the game, as well as the wooden looking side rails. But that is all a mater of personal taste, with no right and wrong.
On the positive, if you do buy one, it will be a rare pin within Australia due to the high cost. I'm sure you will find in time that it will be the envy of many. I bet even its critics wouldn't say no to an invitation to come and play the machine.
As for the price tag, congratulations in understanding true happiness. If you like it, what is an extra few thousand over what probably should have been an appropriate price. Provided you can afford it (i.e. you aren't taking a loan out on it) go for it.
Being finanically rich is about being able to buy the material things you desire. We are all lucky that what we desire is actually in financial reach, and I think most of us are OK with not having a house on Sydney harbour. What is the point of a harbour view if you can't walk into a room with the lights off and just admire the beauty of pinball machines in attract mode.
The value of a pinball in attract mode that you love: priceless.
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Exceptionally well put.
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For those after an EM style pinball with the reliability of modern electronics, you should be still able to get a King of Diamonds remake (released about 3-5 years ago?):
http://www.retropinball.net (http://www.retropinball.net)
If I remember this game correctly, in place of reals in the head, they use small LCD screens to mimic score reals. Regarding sound, I think they used real chimes.
I presume they never sold well, as the company never produced anything else. Probably still a heap NIB.
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Is Joe getting any in over in the West oldskool or will it be ex Sydney?
All via Joe mate and I am really looking forward to this sitting between a beautiful EM, Surf Champ by Nino and BBH.
told you it was a weird collection.
An EM with call outs! whats not to love ()
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I fully agree with Brunswick Brawler. 100%
I am not rich, but richer in other ways. I have an old house, old car, old phone old body and old school ethics.
But I am at the beach almost every day.
Life for me is tough, but enjoyable. I am selling a few machines to get this as I ALWAYS wanted an original, funny theme and it is totally retro which is a bonus. All other titles that some other manufacturers have failed or dragged their feet, WHIZBANG and STERN stepped up to the plate and for this I am grateful.
Another bucket list ticked.
I have had a new car, tick and meh! New toys and meh!. New in box pinball-cooooooooool!!!!!!!!!! soon to be tick.
I will gladly let any one play it and will definitely posy some pics and reviews.
I have and probably will make stupid mistakes before. I am only human %$%
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Good on ya mate. I always say, you only live once so enjoy everything while you can. I do not mind BJMs and think it is different enough to make it a fun and simple player. My only hesitancy is the price, but hey, that will make this title a rarity and more desirable amongst collectors in years to come.
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US distros are already offering discounted advertised pricing below Stern's MSRP.
http://www.gameroomguys.com/Games/New-Pinball-Machines/Whizbang-Whoa-Nellie-Pinball-Machine.html
6499 > 5999.
Looking forward to AMD following suit. %.%
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The above reason is exactly why I would wait two or three months before ordering because I would put money on it the price will most certainly drop in Australia as well.
I think it would be short sighted to assume Bruce from AMD won't pass any discounts or Stern price drops on to the end buyer.
If you had purchased multiple brand new Sterns from Bruce you would certainly know that many people have been offered discounted prices other than AMD,s advertised Recco retail price, without even asking for a discount.
Often, delivery and shaker motor prices have been heavily discounted or even forfeited again without even asking for it.
It would be pretty hard to get those deals for anyone who publically bags AMD etc.
After sales service from Bruce is also excellent.
I would say to anyone thinking of buying a new pin from AMD, go into it with a open mind because they are very accomodating.
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The above reason is exactly why AMD continue to get away with a monopolistic market distribution system for NIB pinballs in Australia and essentially adopt a tough luck attitude to pricing.
AMD will never be able to match the prices I can get imported NIBs for so I won't even waste my time with them.
I've made the mistake of using them for NIB purchases in the past and the best deals they can offer are a pittance compared to what the US guys offer (who actually have to work for the sale to stop their nearest competitor down the road getting your cash instead).
As long as AMD refuse to beat the landed price I can get BNIB pins for I will continue to bring in my own NIB pins for my own collection.
I recommend to any astute buyer who actually gives a damn about his hard earned money and is considering a NIB purchase to make inquiries about doing the same.
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For a start USA manufactured machines are not configured to work in Australia out of the box so buying machines from USA distributors is not a smart choice now because the previous work around HZ boards have not been made aftermarket for the brand new SPIKE Stern machines and their is no guarrantee that the old work around will work in the future. Even with the previous HZ board work arounds, this was not something that just anyone could do or even knew about.
So your advice for supposedly astute buyers of brand new Stern pinballs is flawed and secondly you have failed to point out to new buyers that there is no warranty for people who buy machines from USA distributors.
Then there is the massive amount of knowledge and complicated details of importation and all the financial dangers which come with it, not to mention all the paperwork and customs rules and regulations and the severe costs if things go wrong. Then the average person without knowledge has to trust a distributor he has never met will send the product. I have done it before and it was a massive undertaking but it was other arcade items that could not be purchased brand new or second hand in Australia.
I looked at the Stern pinball product from the USA distributors and the savings were in the hundreds not the thousands.
Suggesting people should import directly without detailing all the hazards is irresponsible in my view.
Another thing which you keep saying is AMD have a monopoly.
There have been up to five different agents in the past thru AMD and competition and competitive pricing from different agents produced competitive pricing. Yes, there are less agents now but it's a free market and any company can become a Stern agent thru AMD.
Also, there is no law that says AMD can and will be the only distributor for Stern forever.
If an Australian company contacted Stern and sought to import the appropriate numbers, Stern will not say No.
I know this personally from discussions I had with Stern in the past.
Pinsanity, why don't you post the exact costings on buying a brand new Stern WWE Wrestling Pin from a USA distributor, list every importation cost incl freight and customs costs, taxes and gst and then freight from the airport and sea freight terminal etc etc etc etc, and do a exact cost to cost comparison from doing your alleged astute way versus buying from AMD. Show the members of the forum the exact savings they can expect.
Putting your money where your mouth is so to speak.
If it's such a simple and cost effective astute choice to make for brand new in box buyers, it should be so easily backed up with your facts and figures.
Without the above, I would say your advice is hollow and infact not such great advice after all.
I am betting you won't be able or willing to provide the detailed cost to cost exact comparisons. Which can be easily checked and confirmed by any forum member.
I would love to be corrected by seeing your shared and public costings.
Share away since it's such a great idea and such a saving to buy from the USA and not from the Australian Stern agent.
Don't forget to explain the no warranty and the fact that you have absolutely no knowledge or guarrantee that the new SPIKE system will even work here if it's a USA built for USA domestic markets only machine.
Please explain and publically cost away.
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Problem with waiting Cavey is that if you don't show interest in a new pin (WNBJM) now I doubt AMD will order so potentially advising those to sit and wait a few months is risky due to the potential low manufacturing numbers. Stern won't want to hold stock as they will want the distros to hold it so all depends if AMD take the minimum order size only or minimum plus a few. I am not supporting AMD prices nor people to rush in but AMD only place a certain sized order based on interest.
Also they only offer discounts to those that have purchased multiple NIB's.
If they only make 300 machines that is roughly just a weeks manufacturing and I know they have been manufacturing some this week as pretty sure the Texas show is on this weekend in which based on that video they are taking 5 machines so it will be interesting the feedback from that - if it is over priced, people love it, if the hype turns around..... Hopefully AMD place their order after the Texas show to see if Stern lower the price a little and pass that on to the guys that have locked in already.
Edit - just saw on Pinside that gameroomguys price includes free shipping so call it $750 below the MSRP not including freight and they are a retailer not a distro.
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AMD will only get a small amount due to only 300 world wide I'd say *%* it's really growing on me its so unique ^^^ they should hold there value being so limited but it's pinball so who knows lol
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I am getting mine through Joe at Kids Just Wanna Have Fun in Perth ( where I live ) I am there almost every Monday night as he puts on a nibble and drinks and has all pinballs for people to play FOC!
We get to see the techs repair, tweek and investigate faults on pinballs/ arcades and know what goes into his after sales service. I believe in getting that feeling of assurance when buying through reputation, KJWHF is second to none.
Peace of mind is a better feeling than saving a few $. For me.
I and many others have bought multiple machines through Joe and Angela. You see it, you touch it, you play it and you ultimately walk away with it. The " astute " buyer may save initially, but I want simplicity and service.
Great place for second hand pinball and arcade machines for the second hand buyer too! You may pay more initially, you WILL save in the long run.
Advert for Joe is over %.%
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I've only met Joe once and I enjoyed the chat real genuine nice guy :) I'm like you I'd rather spend a few extra hundred dollars with zero risk and you get the after sales service and warranty :)
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You do it your way, champ and I will do it mine. #@#
The savings were in some cases in the four figure mark (i.e. thousands) so for me it was worth it.
Any buyer can purchase the Hz boards on the open market and install them easily with little technical knowledge and the new system given its simplicity will be even easier to find a workaround so this is not even an issue.
For me, the warranty is next to worthless given who you are dealing with domestically.
However, if buying locally fulfils your patriotic duty then so be it.
As I said make your own inquiries and you will see the significant cost savings difference between importing and simply accepting the local retailer price.
I can certainly understand though oldskool wanting peace of mind and decent aftersales service that is why he cannot go wrong with Joe at KJWHF. I would recommend him as well.
Edit - just saw on Pinside that gameroomguys price includes free shipping so call it $750 below the MSRP not including freight and they are a retailer not a distro.
Spot on swinks. I added GRG to show how they operate over there compared to what we have here.
Distro prices in the US are even more competitive. Plus there is the MAP requirement that Stern have set so any deals made privately will be even better.
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I knew you couldn't come up with the real figures champ. Lol
So your advice without figures was worth zero. Lol. It's OK, I know it won't worry you that you didn't or couldn't share those financial savings. If u make big claims you should back them up. But it's a free country. You didn't have to take up my challenge. It's ok to fail. Lol
And still no guarrantee that the new SPIKE system will have a work around.
The 300 only is still only a rumour. Maybe it's the initial run which will sell out but the next 300 May sit around. Who knows. But I am glad some members are buying cause seeing people happy on new pin day is excellent.
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You just don't get it though, champ. Your demand is less a challenge and more a case of quid pro quo.
There is no benefit for me in acceding to your demands and publicly proving you wrong.
History has shown you to be incorrect many times before on this forum and to be proved wrong by others and it has had absolutely zero effect in changing your personality for the better. In fact, it actually makes it worse and the entire forum ends up paying for it.
Ergo, doing it once more will achieve nothing and result in no tangible benefit.
That is why I said you keep doing it your way and I will continue to do it mine.
For the record, I am more than happy to share details privately with genuinely interested parties and point them in the right direction.
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Righto Caveoftreasures and Pinsanity- good points made by each of you, but time to take any further discussion off the forum (if you guys want to continue this line) as both of you have made your position clear, and there is a risk of this deteriorating now into a personality thing, and that is not necessary.
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I agree Nick.
No problems Mr Pinsanity. I respect your point of view. I don't agree with everything you say about me but I respect you have your own opinions and it is only right you also say what you think or feel.
If you didn't give it back to me as good as I can give it out then I wouldn't be a fair sport would I.
We are both passionate with our opinions. Perhaps I was too passionate.
I will cop your response on the chin. That's what a debate is all about.
If I offended you, I apologise. I shouldn't have stirred you up.
See, I am not perfect after all. No hard feelings mate.
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back to the real purpose
Beautiful simplicity with a twist
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No offense taken at all.
Hopefully we can now all move on with the original intent of the thread.
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We spend our money where we want to... but for a proven great playing machine that is just as this is.. an SS machine with mechanical score reels then we need to look no further than the KOD remake... small production run without the manufacturing capabilities of Stern.. but priced at???....Oh.....$3695.00!!!!
http://www.retrothing.com/2009/12/truly-retro-pinball-the-king-of-diamonds.html
Buy KOD.. download latest issue of Victoria's Secret catalogue and you have a great player with a small amount of titillation... plus a saving of some US$3K
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But no callouts ! Are these guys still around too?
Don't worry I looked at it. But the original, funny theme won me over.
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Can you still get a KOD? Who is the distributor out here?
That price is amazing!
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No distributors in Aus, but im sure there are a few still for sale.. probably worth dropping a line to retro Pinball.
Must admit, I looked at this when it came out and seriously considered it
http://www.retropinball.net/index.html
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the making of the original WNBJM
https://vimeo.com/38739652
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Fantastic video. A lot of the game was comprised of the original EM functionality. Chimes and score reels. Were these items part of the Stern production ?
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Fantastic video. A lot of the game was comprised of the original EM functionality. Chimes and score reels. Were these items part of the Stern production ?
has got a score reels and pretty sure chimes and then a heap of humorous voice over and music which can be turned off.
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The flyers for the machine look excellent.
One of the most colourful and best looking pins I have seen for ages.
The artwork is superb. Greg Feres is a genius with his drawings.
What's the next Whizbang title going to be I wonder if Whoa Nellie does well.
I think Stern will be much better placed to do more Vault editions of a lot of titles once they have settled into the much bigger and better factory. Vault editions give Stern fans a 2nd or 3rd chance to buy those titles they missed out on the first time round because the stars weren't aligned correctly for personal financial reasons.
I am hoping Stern see the Vault editions as something they should do with a lot of their titles in the future. Hopefully they negotiate their licences to allow for Vault editions.
If someone misses out on a Whoa Nellie now, then maybe next year or a bit later they will get a chance to still purchase BNIB.
Definately wanting to purchase a Whoa Nellie Translite and flyer set for my games room. They look excellent.
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under the hood, and the chimes are electronic
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Those under the hood shots have me scratching my head wondering what your dollar buys. Must be a lot of fat in the profit margins.
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aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! no chimes &^&
but a real knocker? Oh well it is half way there. #@#
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No chimes ?
Misses the point completely. It is supposed to be a modernized EM, but score reels are EM, so why not the chimes ? ^&^
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A knocker is just an extra coil... anyone can add a knocker to a game.
Electronic chimes have been done before and proven to be very unpopular as they tend to sound bloody awful.
This really is a very very basic machine....
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Those under the hood shots have me scratching my head wondering what your dollar buys. Must be a lot of fat in the profit margins.
Could not agree more.
Modern style games have more wiring dedicated to lights than to switches and solenoids combined (Capcom for example uses around 120 controlled lights, and they are 20 years old....). This thing has hardly any insert lamps. More obvious here http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IR6LeSOAztk/TWFtbj0V8gI/AAAAAAAAA3o/yNSPm_8gt7A/s1600/WN_PFieldLit_9-14-10.jpg
I haven't had a lot to say on the pricing so far, but those shots really show this as being extremely expensive for what it is.
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they were saying that on some of the photos the scrore reels are run via microsteppers hence why the alignment was not great.
as for the chimes there is probably a way to mod a mech for that, but getting the sound right might take a little bit of patience.
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People are blaming Stern for the price of Whoa Nellie, but aren't Stern just building it and selling it on behalf of Whiz Bang, being Nordman and Ferres.
My comments don't refer to any specific member, and espescially not the few above posts but more like a thought that just came to me after thinking for a few days.
Wouldn't Whiz Bang have the majority of the say re decisions and overall direction and final pricing given it is their project. Also, isn't it Whizbang who designed the entire machine.
I think people are assuming that Stern is making a mint on Whoa Nellie. Perhaps Whiz Bang is making a nice chunk of coin for doing the artwork and design etc and are now making a nice profit whilst Stern is paying itself for the labour putting it together and their usual margin for organising all the manufacturing of the parts etc.
The issue isn't neccessarily Stern, it's the fact there are 3 people trying to make profit of only one machine.
Gary - profit
Dennis - profit
Greg - profit
Whoa Nellie technically is just like the Medi Evil Madness remake, it's not a Stern title as such, it's a contract job for Stern to profit share on.
Sometimes on a lot of these Stern threads, people rip the guts out of everything and anything Stern and it's usually everything negative which people focus on.
It does get frustrating to us Stern fan boys because no one on Australia has seen a machine or played one yet. Yet people bag a lot very quickly.
Maybe some people are naturally more comfortable being critics. Lol
As a Blatant Stern fan, I just like to focus on the positive.
Each to their own. I just hope prices on Stern only Pro designs do not climb to anything higher because then I will become something I don't like, a critic. Lol
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People are blaming Stern for the price of Whoa Nellie, but aren't Stern just building it and selling it on behalf of Whiz Bang, being Nordman and Ferres.
My comments don't refer to any specific member, and espescially not the few above posts but more like a thought that just came to me after thinking for a few days.
Wouldn't Whiz Bang have the majority of the say re decisions and overall direction and final pricing given it is their project. Also, isn't it Whizbang who designed the entire machine.
I think people are assuming that Stern is making a mint on Whoa Nellie. Perhaps Whiz Bang is making a nice chunk of coin for doing the artwork and design etc and are now making a nice profit whilst Stern is paying itself for the labour putting it together and their usual margin for organising all the manufacturing of the parts etc.
The issue isn't neccessarily Stern, it's the fact there are 3 people trying to make profit of only one machine.
Gary - profit
Dennis - profit
Greg - profit
Whoa Nellie technically is just like the Medi Evil Madness remake, it's not a Stern title as such, it's a contract job for Stern to profit share on.
Sometimes on a lot of these Stern threads, people rip the guts out of everything and anything Stern and it's usually everything negative which people focus on.
It does get frustrating to us Stern fan boys because no one on Australia has seen a machine or played one yet. Yet people bag a lot very quickly.
Maybe some people are naturally more comfortable being critics. Lol
As a Blatant Stern fan, I just like to focus on the positive.
Each to their own. I just hope prices on Stern only Pro designs do not climb to anything higher because then I will become something I don't like, a critic. Lol
No one is assuming anything... its a back to basics machine that has come in more expensive than a Pro. The original design has been taken right back... electronic chimes instead of real ones...automatic ball feed etc etc etc.
What was promised and what has eventuated are 2 different things and the price is way above what anyone expected.
Not a lot of positives there and so discussions reflect that.
I can however find 2 positives... artwork is great and no lump of nothing impossible to miss bash toy.
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I think we all realize Stern and just building a game for an outside company like the MMr , Stern didn't design it they are just building it money for jam really :) oh and they probably made even more money for letting them use Spike-but who knows most are just guessing lol
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey, you just won't let it go. Don't feel you have to defend everything all the time. It gets old very, VERY quickly! Breathe in, breathe out. ^^^
I like that people have views, I l want by BIG JUICY and am more than a little ticked that some items have been canned. But, hey, what ya gonna do?
IT'S ONLY PINBALL! %$%
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as per the Texas show Gary stated this - this game falls into the bracket of a Studio game with Stern parts and stern operating system so not a full contract job. In stead of Stern paying their designers to design the game Dennis and Greg (who works at Stern as well) designed it so the price wouldn't be to much above a regular pro and this may have a different cabinet and rails but doesn't have ramps and toys.... so anyones guess but the pricing model might be wrong like the Home version....
Gary Stern spoke tonight at TPF. Here are the more interesting talking points:
* Pro/LE business model with occasional Premiums as the market demands. They may revisit the Home version in the future - but admitted they didn't get it right the first time.
* 3 cornerstone Stern titles a year
* VEs will continue to be made - but NOTHING is planned currently
* If a VE was originally SAM/Whitestar - it will be remade as SAM/Whitestar. It will NOT be converted to Spike
* Accessories/Mods business will continue to grow
* Last day in the current Stern factory is 4/14
* AC/DC is DONE - no remakes, license is expired
* Whoa Nellie does not count as a cornerstone title. He referred to that as a "studio" game. Another facet of the Stern business model that he seems to welcome.
*The two names we haven't heard before to go with Pro/Premium/LE lines
Studio games - games like WNBJM where game is fully designed, but they add Stern electronics and maybe some additional sound/lighting effects.
Private Label games - totally engineered by another party (think MMR). No Stern parts/engineering involved, just assembling the games (I.e. Provide the manufacturing line).
Gary said these will continue if they are approached with complete, vetted games but that Stern isn't looking to build games for everyone that wants to make them.
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13597.0
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey, you just won't let it go. Don't feel you have to defend everything all the time. It gets old very, VERY quickly! Breathe in, breathe out. ^^^
I like that people have views, I l want by BIG JUICY and am more than a little ticked that some items have been canned. But, hey, what ya gonna do?
IT'S ONLY PINBALL! %$%
I had two Pitbulls a few years ago. Brother and sister. They used to fight a lot so I had to move them on to someone who knew the breed better than I did.
Maybe one was Pro Stern and one was anti- Stern. Lol
It gets old very quickly for us Stern fans also always seeing people rubbishing Stern.
A lot of Stern owners don't even post about their brand new in box days anymore cause they don't feel comfortable anymore. These days, a lot of us who do buy Sterns just PM each other and share photos and stories that way.
It's only pinball.
I am glad u are buying a Whoa Nellie. It does look amazing.
Anyway, I am off for a holiday and to visit some fellow pinheads on a road trip. Keep flipping.
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey, you just won't let it go. Don't feel you have to defend everything all the time. It gets old very, VERY quickly! Breathe in, breathe out. ^^^
I like that people have views, I l want by BIG JUICY and am more than a little ticked that some items have been canned. But, hey, what ya gonna do?
IT'S ONLY PINBALL! %$%
I had two Pitbulls a few years ago. Brother and sister. They used to fight a lot so I had to move them on to someone who knew the breed better than I did.
Maybe one was Pro Stern and one was anti- Stern. Lol
It gets old very quickly for us Stern fans also always seeing people rubbishing Stern.
A lot of Stern owners don't even post about their brand new in box days anymore cause they don't feel comfortable anymore. These days, a lot of us who do buy Sterns just PM each other and share photos and stories that way.
It's only pinball.
I am glad u are buying a Whoa Nellie. It does look amazing.
Anyway, I am off for a holiday and to visit some fellow pinheads on a road trip. Keep flipping.
BS... no one has ever rubbished anyone's BIN.
Sure we pick games apart but it happens with every game and in fact very few posts on this thread actually rubbish the game. Most criticism is the price and at $10K landed, our jaws have still not left the floor.
Yep - you need a holiday cavey.
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Really maybe the market for this is not for Australia
unless you are a collector
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Really maybe the market for this is not for Australia
unless you are a collector
Or a melonhead !*!
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey,
PITBULL not PITIFUL, fxxxking auto correct, you are not pitiful, just PASSIONATE!
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You know what?
I hope it turns out to be kickass and hardly anyone bought one.
Then all the nay sayers will be scrambling to get their hands on one and they won't be available.
Happens all the time.
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at $9250
i dont think it will be a BBB
but time will tell
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey, you just won't let it go. Don't feel you have to defend everything all the time. It gets old very, VERY quickly! Breathe in, breathe out. ^^^
I like that people have views, I l want by BIG JUICY and am more than a little ticked that some items have been canned. But, hey, what ya gonna do?
IT'S ONLY PINBALL! %$%
I had two Pitbulls a few years ago. Brother and sister. They used to fight a lot so I had to move them on to someone who knew the breed better than I did.
Maybe one was Pro Stern and one was anti- Stern. Lol
It gets old very quickly for us Stern fans also always seeing people rubbishing Stern.
A lot of Stern owners don't even post about their brand new in box days anymore cause they don't feel comfortable anymore. These days, a lot of us who do buy Sterns just PM each other and share photos and stories that way.
It's only pinball.
I am glad u are buying a Whoa Nellie. It does look amazing.
Anyway, I am off for a holiday and to visit some fellow pinheads on a road trip. Keep flipping.
BS... no one has ever rubbished anyone's BIN.
Sure we pick games apart but it happens with every game and in fact very few posts on this thread actually rubbish the game. Most criticism is the price and at $10K landed, our jaws have still not left the floor.
Yep - you need a holiday cavey.
I didn't say anyone ever rubbished anyone's BNIB.
But the truth is that I have had quite a few people email me and share BNIB photos and stories that they have decided not to do on a open forum because THEY felt and said that they felt the Stern bashing was over the top and THEY didn't feel comfortable doing a public BNIB opening thread. I can assure you it's not BS.
The Stern BNIB opening threads are a shadow of what they used to be.
It's not because less people are buying Sterns but because some members chose to email n share only with other people who they know are Stern fans.
I haven't publically posted my last 3 Stern purchases. I am certainly not the only one.
I don't need a holiday. I am just taking one for fun.
I am not going to get into a further debate. No need to.
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Sometimes you are like a pitiful with a toy Cavey,
PITBULL not PITIFUL, fxxxking auto correct, you are not pitiful, just PASSIONATE!
It's all good. I knew what you meant.
Also I think you have a great lifestyle living near the beach.
That's something I have recently decided to start doing a lot more of, walking on a beach for exercise and that beautiful fresh salt air. Too much work means a lot of us who live on the Gold Coast don't get to enjoy the best the coast has to offer.
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I am not going to get into a further debate. No need to.
Yep - as usual, fingers in ears..LA..LA..LA..LA..LA!
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2 comments from guys that went to the Texas Pinball Show that will make a few people happy.
"I asked Greg Freres about considering an EM-appropriate sound setup. He indicated that they would consider via settings reducing the audio to just chimes/bells. He also said that it's possible to add real bells/chimes to the game - that the connectivity is there for it. They were removed from the game both for cost and also so that location pinball doesn't reject the game due to lack of volume controls on the physical bells."
"As for price, my buddy got a price of $5500 from a distributor."
So for the price dealers in the US can sell for a $1000 under the MSRP and still make dollars supporting what was written in here re the price.
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super hi res brochure here
http://www.sternpinball.com/upload/games/whoa-nellie/whoa/WNBJMflyer65.pdf
it is a beautiful game, congrats Andy, would love one of these
also in between the pops it is believed "weyna lit" is hillbilly for When Lit
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here is the voice of Melony (Jessica)
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Ben Heck got a close up of the spike system in the backbox
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2 comments from guys that went to the Texas Pinball Show that will make a few people happy.
"I asked Greg Freres about considering an EM-appropriate sound setup. He indicated that they would consider via settings reducing the audio to just chimes/bells. He also said that it's possible to add real bells/chimes to the game - that the connectivity is there for it. They were removed from the game both for cost and also so that location pinball doesn't reject the game due to lack of volume controls on the physical bells."
"As for price, my buddy got a price of $5500 from a distributor."
So for the price dealers in the US can sell for a $1000 under the MSRP and still make dollars supporting what was written in here re the price.
+1
So about 1300AU discount off RRP and still turn a profit. But think of the BOM. %.%
Takes it back close to the current price of a Pro model in Aus. Still a couple grand over for what it is, but brings it to something more palatable to the end consumer.
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I am not going to get into a further debate. No need to.
Yep - as usual, fingers in ears..LA..LA..LA..LA..LA!
That's far from correct Gav.
You made your point and I made mine.
No use us turning every difference of opinion into a long Gone with the Wind saga. Lol
It's all cool mate. Don't stress me. Lol I am getting into holiday mode for my coming trip.
Be nice to me or I will have to stop by the shop and bring alcohol and strippers or dancing girls with me.
Then you will be on holidays too ! It's all Good Gav, it's all good.
My fingers don't even fit in my ears either. Lol
When you did the LA LA LA thing I only thought about Dorothy from WOZ skipping with the midgets.
That's what reading a JJP brochure will do to you.
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2 comments from guys that went to the Texas Pinball Show that will make a few people happy.
"I asked Greg Freres about considering an EM-appropriate sound setup. He indicated that they would consider via settings reducing the audio to just chimes/bells. He also said that it's possible to add real bells/chimes to the game - that the connectivity is there for it. They were removed from the game both for cost and also so that location pinball doesn't reject the game due to lack of volume controls on the physical bells."
"As for price, my buddy got a price of $5500 from a distributor."
So for the price dealers in the US can sell for a $1000 under the MSRP and still make dollars supporting what was written in here re the price.
That's great news.
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here is a repro chime unit available....
http://www.chimeunit.com
about $140 AUD with free shipping from Europe.... ^^^
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here is a cool update and some under the hood shots
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/whoanellie/index2.html
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I am not going to get into a further debate. No need to.
Yep - as usual, fingers in ears..LA..LA..LA..LA..LA!
Yes, its called solipsism.
here is a repro chime unit available....
http://www.chimeunit.com
about $140 AUD with free shipping from Europe.... ^^^
Hey swinks, are you breaking down the BOM one item at a time? :lol
Better be careful you might upset some by showing just how little cost there is in the build.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAJJ6ZhiPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAJJ6ZhiPU)
worthy of a watch me thinks.
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$#$
Confirmed that I have one on order from Joe and expect delivery approx. end of May.
Don't ask me $ as I haven't had confirmation yet. This is probably my only and first NIB pinball. So stoked as it will be very unique especially here in Australia due to people baulking on price ( me too ).
I am really looking forward to sharing the ( hopefully ) fun to follow. Getting rid of my Dr Dude, High Hand and Monopoly to help fund and also make room for this title was not an easy decision. *.*
Wonder if it gives you a fan fare if you clock it? ( remember that ) 9999 is the highest the score reels go, so, this might be a possible easter egg!
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Enjoy it. Don't worry about others opinions. I am sure your crew interstate are glad your getting it as they can enjoy it with you!
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Yes congratulations oldskool - enjoy it!! ^^^ I really liked the resto u did on Dr Dude - so fully understand it would have been a big decision (I don't really know High Hand). Once you have yr hand in (so to speak) maybe post a vid - or at least some pics. Cheers, Andrew.
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Two hour video of the game play, by 'Dead Flip':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU7xFbuv7rA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU7xFbuv7rA)
This play session continues live for the next few days roughly 8:00am to 10:00am EST, streamed on:
http://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip (http://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip)
Who are Dead Flip:
For those who aren't familiar with Dead Flip, they are a couple of guys that live stream themselves playing pinball several days a week. They are based in Chicago, so Stern seem to now routinely give them new release machines for their show. Without physical access to a game, their shows are the best source of finding out what a new machine plays like, as the shows are all long. They post their shows on youtube within a few days of streaming live on twitch.tv.
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This game looks ok.
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I watched a bit of Day 5 of Dead Flip this morning. They mentioned that Stern has lowered the price of Big Juicy Melons. I think they said its now $US5,500. If that was true, that puts it in line with a Stern Pro.
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The discount of the game in the USA by Stern and/or its agents SHOULD mean the price in Australia should also come down.
It's like anything brand spanking new, the first people to buy always pay the most. Always best to wait for the dust to settle and get a better price at a later date.
Cars in Australia are a classic example, when the latest model Camry was released it was $30,990, now it's $26,490 with extras added. People who pay the high price must get pissed 3 months later when they see the price drop so much......
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If what I heard on Dead Flip was true, I'd imagine all those who payed a deposit will get the discounted rate. I think BJM only went into full production in the last week or two, so I'd imagine none have been delivered to customers yet.
Stern's web page still shows the original price of $US6,500. Its worth prospective buyers keeping an eye on it over the next week:
http://www.sternpinball.com/games/whoa-nellie/whoa (http://www.sternpinball.com/games/whoa-nellie/whoa)
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Here's a great pic from the Stern factory and something I never thought would come about again. Score reels rolling off the assembly line... BJM in full production!
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Score%20reels%20BJM_zpswcmxf3vk.jpg)
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(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/26cd0b818108e27b51f67b52b72ed619.jpg)
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Here's a great pic from the Stern factory and something I never thought would come about again. Score reels rolling off the assembly line... BJM in full production!
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Score%20reels%20BJM_zpswcmxf3vk.jpg)
Plus the uncluttered playfield, eye catching art, if this title gets enough operator interest, it might get the younger ones into pinball.
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Very cool to see. Yep - this one might have a certain appeal to the young guys (& their dads of course) - maybe even a few young ladies if they are that way inclined. I thought at first it might be a pic of a giant set of neon knockers adorning the Stern factory doorway (or the "Bing" as it is now known) :lol
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Just read the free Pinball Magazine supplement and am getting really, really excited for my big juicy to arrive.
The features and thought that have gone into this will be truly welcomed by me. Long have I said we need an original and unlicensed them and what better way than what these two clowns have come up with. ^^^
If you haven't read this supplement, do yourself a favour. It is not just about WNBJM!
Am I still the only one in Aus who has bought one? surely not!
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If you haven't read this supplement, do yourself a favour. It is not just about WNBJM!
Am I still the only one in Aus who has bought one? surely not!
That would be on pinball-magazine.com. It has other stuff in this free download as well. Good read:
http://www.pinball-magazine.com/?page_id=1503 (http://www.pinball-magazine.com/?page_id=1503) Download 'Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons'.
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Just read the free Pinball Magazine supplement and am getting really, really excited for my big juicy to arrive.
The features and thought that have gone into this will be truly welcomed by me. Long have I said we need an original and unlicensed them and what better way than what these two clowns have come up with. ^^^
If you haven't read this supplement, do yourself a favour. It is not just about WNBJM!
Am I still the only one in Aus who has bought one? surely not!
If I wasn't farking around unnessecerily in family law court and wasting $ resources, I would have purchased this game on art alone it is that good. I am hoping that down the line AMD still has one in stock or can get me one etc.
It is an absolute stand out machine and would add a unique standout quality in any collection.
Even if Stern does another small run later, if AMD doesn't have one, it would be worth buying for sure and perhaps the pricing may also be a little less which seems to be happening. Any dollar saved is a bonus and invited on anything pinball.
You have bought a cracker of a game. Best artwork I have seen for ages. Colours or red n green remind me of Fishtales artwork which is excellent, only Big Melons is far better again. Best looking mon licenced pin for 20 years IMO.
Can't wait to see you get yours.
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first person video
http://funwithbonus.com/whoa-nellie-at-pinfest-first-person-view/
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Ha - "I grew them myself" :lol The intro music to his videos is interesting - I expected a teletubby to jump out any second.
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Now this is a beautiful look to me, I hope my one has this patina-AWESOME
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Yes, everything old is new again.
That look is amazing and so different.
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Yes it is beautiful. Pinball machines are like your children. They are ALL beautiful, but all very different appealing personalities.
No pinball owner will speak bad of their own pinball machines! And nor should they.
...Just don't mention Rolling Stones. "They are dead to me".
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Now this is a beautiful look to me, I hope my one has this patina-AWESOME
different and unique. Something we don't expect for a game made in 2015.
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...Just don't mention Rolling Stones. "They are dead to me".
Now, now. You couldn't kill Keith with a falling coconut let alone a couple of juicy mellons.
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...Just don't mention Rolling Stones. "They are dead to me".
Now, now. You couldn't kill Keith with a falling coconut let alone a couple of juicy mellons.
Like this ^^^ Mind you it would have been a gr8 way for Keith to go out - how's he going to outdo the coconut? He's a true legend. Love the aged look on WNBJM - this is shaping up to be one hell of a machine.
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$#$ its heeeerrrrreeeee !!!!
This is as cool as you can get, TOTALLY RETRO goodness.
We were spoilt last nigh at Joes joint. My Nellie arrived and also KISS. But this is about Nellie.
Man this game is fun, Very unique with real wood( and smell it ) detachable head box, real knocker, no ramps, one ball, beautiful artwork and quirky funny theme and call outs.
This game HAS to be set up steep as it can be floaty if you don't and when it is set right - it frikin flies. Even air balls.
We set it up at KJWHF for all the Perth Monday crew to have a bash and have a mini comp, going well till the mini DMD had a little spat so now we are waiting on a new one to be sent via air. In saying this it still plays and will be delivered on Wednesday, will then set up on the crate which is cool too! So simple, get the top roll overs to light up the bumpers and star roll overs around the play field and claim the big points in the gobble hole. Sounds easy ha, yeah right.
I could go on and on about this game, but I won't as it won't suit everyones taste, but it sure fills me up with oldskool goodness. Thanks to Dennis and Greg for making this beauty, STERN for making her and Joe for getting it to us in WA.
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I could go on and on about this game,
Artwork- 10/10- lots of hidden fun which I have to figure out what it means, Real wood is beautifully distressed and crate is
sweet idea.
Sound- 9/10 -call outs are sweet, bellas and chimes sound real nice, real bells and chimes will be better
Gameplay- 10/10- so simple, so addictive, very tricky with 2" flippers and a new skill set to learn.
Longeveity- 9/10- I think it is a pearler, right up there with Surf Champ which I play a lot.
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one more in bits
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I think the smile says it all ^^^
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Thanks for posting, looks great, some happy faces there! :D
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Love reading new pin posts where you can see/read the excitement in the post itself!
You are clearly excited! Well done, who cares what others like long as you like it and it clearly shows you do!
Thanks for sharing, would love to see a setup video..... *%*
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Well done Andy @@*, absolutely spewing I could not make there last night to see you enjoying your first NIB machine ^.^
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love that game.. flippers are so powerful for 2"...sweet
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Awesome Oldskool - I'm glad you love it. It looks like a fantastic game. Btw did you realise in your post you said "real knocker"? :lol
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When it is home ( Wednesday ) I will set up the IKEA designed crate underneath and take some better shots, there is even LED's under the cabinet to highlight this feature!
Unfortunately the mini DMD shat itself so Joe has another on the way soon.
Being able to set up an EM/retro style pinball with all the benefits of the very latest games technology is amazing.
I was concerned about not having real bells, manual ball lift etc. etc. I need not to have worried. This is in a class of its own.
This beast is firkin cool as. I would rather not post a video as it will spoil all the fantastic call outs and sounds for someone else who has or considering ordering one. You got to experience all this first hand. It is very expensive and 3 pins had to go to help fund ( and the room ) But soooooooooooo AWESOME.
All welcome for a bash if needed. GAP I will set you up a still since you are busted at the mo!
You won't be disappointed.
p.s. My shit eating grin is still on my dial. Also waiting to hear what the next WHIZBANG/STERN game is.
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Great stuff Oldskool. Please take plenty of videos and photos for us.
I reckon a few more may pull the trigger after your reviews!
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Sounds like fun to play. #*#
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Nice one Oldschool, very cool looking game! Great to hear your enjoying it. ^^^
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The crate ready for the play field. It just gets better and better!
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I'm surprised that you haven't noticed that the legs they sent you rusted while being shipped here! ^&(
I saw it being played on twitch.tv/dead_flip. Those guys loved it. It does make a refreshing change.
...I'm guessing you won't be on this forum for as much. I can see some late nights over then next few week trying to 'pop' and 'clock' game.
PS
Was is just my group of youngsters that used the terms 'pop' and 'clock'? Current terminology is 'knock' and 'roll'.
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congrats mate, enjoy she looks awesome ^^^
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Last picture promise
I was gonna put her next to my beloved Surf Champ that Nino restored for me. Decided to mix it up a little.
My theme is now weird, surf and redneck! who would have thunk! In-between RBION and BBH.
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Why is the last image all out of focus Andy ?? Could not hold the camera still while looking at Melony !@# ^&(
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Why is the last image all out of focus Andy ?? Could not hold the camera still while looking at Melony !@# ^&(
Its the twins Ellen and Helen that got me. %$%
wait till you see it at night! lights under the cabinet shining on the crate too.
They are RIPE and READY
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Congratulations on your purchase.
A truly great looking and fun game.
The art is definately eye candy. Well done.
Hope you enjoy it for years to come.
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Okay okay one more
attention to detail shot, LED's in the cabinet under the box, shining on the crate, BEAUTIFUL, loving it sick. And a night time shot, nice n bright for nigh time.
I just couldn't let Cavey have the last word as always %$%
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looks beautiful Andy, are the lights in the under cabinet standard or a addition by you - either way finishers it off.
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Standard Dude, the more you look the more you appreciate the details. ^^^
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Standard Dude, the more you look the more you appreciate the details. ^^^
agree, nice detail and great to see thanks for sharing.
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Just read an article on facebook.
Men who stare at women who have large breasts live an extra 5 years longer.
I kid you not. That was the real article.
Looks like you will be living at least another 5 years longer than pre Whoa Nellie purchase.
I always knew those huge melons were good for your health.
A set of melons a day, keeps the doctor away !
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Melony's melons ( o ) ( o )
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Is the cabinet wood painted grey and the Headbox the wood colour ?
I thought the whole game was going to be the one wood colour ?
Maybe it's just my eyes or have I missed something ?
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Is the cabinet wood painted grey and the Headbox the wood colour ?
I thought the whole game was going to be the one wood colour ?
Maybe it's just my eyes or have I missed something ?
I was thinking the same thing...what have we missed?
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Crate it sits on is different too! You didn't miss a thing. Pictures don't do it justice, believe me. If you like everything the same, this is not for you.
Meant to represent all different boxes from the fruit crate era. It will also gain patina over time as well with use, I like this, you should also smell it! <..>
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Crate it sits on is different too! You didn't miss a thing. Pictures don't do it justice, believe me. If you like everything the same, this is not for you.
Meant to represent all different boxes from the fruit crate era. It will also gain patina over time as well with use, I like this, you should also smell it! <..>
Thanks for the explanation....and I love it also.
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Crate it sits on is different too! You didn't miss a thing. Pictures don't do it justice, believe me. If you like everything the same, this is not for you.
Meant to represent all different boxes from the fruit crate era. It will also gain patina over time as well with use, I like this, you should also smell it! <..>
Oldskool it really looks awesome! Can you please tell us again what it smells like?
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got some time to kill, great story from Dennis and Greg.
WATERMELONS!
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I know there is only two , yes 2 of us in the country that own this beauty, but, latest code released today and it is a pearler.
Wont post all the shit it does, but it is GOOD! Billy Bob
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That's cool to be one of only 2 Australian owners. How is the flow? Guess you are playing it to death *%*
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The FLOW is awesome, believe it or not! Especially as there are no ramps or obits in this game.
It really throws it at you and is a real challenge. No smoke and mirrors or fancy stuff here, just good old soulful pinball.
Very refreshing.
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Look very closely. What goes better with melons?
MORE MELONS!
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I know there is only two , yes 2 of us in the country that own this beauty, but, latest code released today and it is a pearler.
Wont post all the shit it does, but it is GOOD! Billy Bob
In case you two hadn't heard, Stern posted a WNBJM code update this week.
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In case you two hadn't heard, Stern posted a WNBJM code update this week.
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Yeah I did, but will wait until people stop coming to play it as it has not missed a beat and really popular and good fun.
The update is for stability only and doesn't add anything so I can wait.
Cheers big ears
Andy
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Melons now has full protection thanks to laseriffic ^^^
What ya think y'all?
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tad more melons
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ball shot &&
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looks great, beautiful game
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Yeah, absolutely gorgeous pin. When do we get a vid of you having a game??
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There are more Big Bang Bars in Australia than Big Juicy Melons.
:D
This is one time when the use of the term "rare" is very apt.
^^^
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Yeah, absolutely gorgeous pin. When do we get a vid of you having a game??
Yep, beautiful pin. Love to see a vid as well.
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I would rather people come and play it as it really need to be seen and played n person.
Plus I don't know how to video post stuff. If you any members are ever in WA look me up, you will be welcome.
I believe Bruce from AMD has one too that was at pinball head quarters for a while. And Joe from KJWHF may? have one coming for hire at a premium price.
This pin would really, really do well on site. So firkin addictive.
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I would rather people come and play it as it really need to be seen and played n person.
Plus I don't know how to video post stuff. If you any members are ever in WA look me up, you will be welcome.
I believe Bruce from AMD has one too that was at pinball head quarters for a while. And Joe from KJWHF may? have one coming for hire at a premium price.
This pin would really, really do well on site. So firkin addictive.
I have no plans to head to WA at the moment but you never know. Awesome offer though, thanks! ^^^
Glad to see you're getting heaps of enjoyment out of it.
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I have a question for old operators or players in the wood rail age of pinball or for those that know.
When you place the cigarette holder on a pinball machine, does it go on the apron or side rail?
Can not fin pictures anywhere and I really want one on my Nellie that is something a little different.
I don't smoke ( but use to for 27 years ) just wanted a bit of a difference and am not fussed about drilling into this machine,
I believe it will add character.
Here is a picture to jog your memories.
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or you can go the glass ash tray like these old women
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On the side rails 255mm up from front edge of lockdown
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On the side rails 255mm up from front edge of lockdown
thank you kind Sir, I knew there was somewhere particular.
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How will you affix the tray?
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Due to be real wood I nailed that sucker right on with the proper twisted nails. A nice tribute to a buy gone era.
Really stoked. Thanks Gav for info as it actually would feel right to place a fag there if I still smoked.
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Great thinking and addition to the machine ()
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Congratulations oldskool1969.What an awesome looking machine. I would be proud to have this one in my collection *.*
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Oh man this game is sooooooo addictive, I just had to put myself on another week hiatus. Playing the piss out or RBION and my Surf Champ instead. Was lucky enough to play a 1958 GTB called SUNSHINE today and it is making me want t play WNBJM even more, Great game.
Also found a very cool video of Paris Pinball Museum I thought i would share too, enjoy.
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Will the other owner GAP please post a picture of his girl in his line up.
Start of the wolf pack a.k.a. The Hangover @.@
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Soon Mr Oldskool soon, she is still a virgin &&
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Will the other owner GAP please post a picture of his girl in his line up.
Here you go Oldskool, "show us what you got city boy"
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WARTYMELUNS! ours are big
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special gift arrived today for Graham and myself, signed and super stoked.
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Thanks heaps Andy for organizing to get those through Greg and Dennis. $#$