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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => News & Announcements => Topic started by: Freiherr on May 06, 2015, 08:46:11 AM
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Rock and roll all night and party every day!
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/05/stern-announces-kiss-pinball-machine
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Hand drawn art I like :)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/05/a86b6020d12f039de465069c2041d1c8.jpg)
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cool, hand drawn art as well, looks good
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I guess we won't see Nino for a few days ;)
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Definitely lots of retro Bally.
Can't wait to see the total package.
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some screen grabs, retro bumper caps as well
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and a few more and great songs.....
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Well this has my wallet wriggling. I wake up and login in to the computer and the first email is a link to the announcement with an image from the debut album - and it is Peter Criss. Playfield artwork is hand drawn by my favorite artist - Kevin O'Connor. Setlist is all the classic line up's work except Lick It Up. They sound re recorded by the cover band, so if I can replace it with the harder original version AND the hand drawn art has the original 4 - then I'll order an LE today.
If it plays lie TWD LE - Then I'll be VERY happy.. Let's see if Stern have listened to the fans, or the band..
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Some of the artwork is borrowed from the original machine. Pop Bumpers are the classic style. Some sort of "floating ball" or an opportunistic shot of a flyball ?
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Gene and Paul recorded the call outs to-Bruce's/AMD phone will be running hot :)
Floating ball represents Paul flying how cool.
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It all looks promising doesn't it. Hopefully game play is up there as well. Every chance this will be a Stern top seller for sure, should be in the top 3 you'd think.
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Let's see if Stern have listened to the fans, or the band..
All 10 of them %.% oh dear. The army is still alive @.@
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Well congrats to the KISS fans out there. The signs are very promising and the hand drawn art is a GREAT sign.
So this presents an interesting dilemma for the die hard KISS fans who are also pin heads.
I know a lot of the KISS memorabilia is left NIB. So does this mean that you buy 2 LE's. One to play and one to leave NIB? #@# ()
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Well congrats to the KISS fans out there. The signs are very promising and the hand drawn art is a GREAT sign.
So this presents an interesting dilemma for the die hard KISS fans who are also pin heads.
I know a lot of the KISS memorabilia is left NIB. So does this mean that you buy 2 LE's. One to play and one to leave NIB? #@# ()
That's what I will be doing. Just got off the phone with another diehard, and it looks like there are at least 4 LE's that will be ordered off the pack of the photos. The art package needs more scrutiny, but it is plain to see they are avoiding the cover band line up with several references to the Bally 78 machines.
The hand drawn art is most likely to do with the original line up and the fact it worked so well with Metallica.
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This sounds very promising, love that it's going to be hand drawn art too!!!
I bet JPop was thrilled with the announcement *)*
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So John Borg has designed KISS so it looks like Borgy has EASILY not only taken the number one designer spot in the world, but is now so far out in front it's crazy.
I am happy Borgy designed this game.
(I reckon this game was designed on paper by Stern 4 or 5 years ago and it's only now been tweaked and finally got approval by the Band and the timing is perfect).
WHAT Pinball machine is going to be the bigger seller in Australia, ACDC or KISS ?
I am going to buy the KISS Pro to sit next to my ACDC.
Those two pins sitting side by side in any lounge room spells out DOUBLE COOL any day of the week.
Another question is, is WHAT pinball is Steve Ritchie been or going to be working on if Borgy has done KISS ?
Isn't the King well overdue to release something. ?
And how do I know (or strongly believe) Borgy has designed KISS, in the photos etc, they are clearly Borgys arms and John Did say to me in a email only a month ago the next Stern release was going to be his next title after The Walking Dead.
So the designer has to be Borgy for KISS. I looked at a few photos and other Stern videos and they are definately Johns Arms.
Go Team Stern !
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I bet JPop was thrilled with the announcement *)*
This will make like difficult for JJP. I expect KISS will do what ACDC did by taking a heap of money out of the buyers hands, such that any machine released soon after will struggle to compete. With such a huge gap between WOZ and Hobbit, JJP would need Hobbit to do well.
Interesting to see that stern are sticking with a standard DMD.
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Makes you wonder if this announcement is also too close to the release of Sterns Wrestling Pin ?
A die hard wrestling fan would prob buy the Wrestling Pin but if you are both into Wrestling and into KISS, I am assuming you would hold onto your $ til the KISS Pinny comes out.
The JJP title has been a long long time in the running.
I know some people don't like Sterns marketing ways of not giving away anything before a release and its guess work up to the last second before release, but the Stern title always feels "very now, very current" where as others who release all the media details before design even starts, the title "feels old" very quickly and feels like yesterday's news when it finally does get released.
Glad people like Nino(Strangeways) and Peter (Gorgar) are finally getting their dream pins made.
Definately a very cool addition to their huge KISS Memorabilia collections.
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Happy for the KISS fans, not a pin for me personally but I am sure it will play and look great.
Nino buying a NIB! Nice!
Also happy for Pete who I am sure is over the moon now that this is indeed official!
Would love to come to any unboxing parties! *%* #@#
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Thinking about the timing, TWD was released not long after it was announced that Stern got the Kiss licence. JPop took his non playable prototype to Chicago expo I think (oct 2014), only to have the licence granted to Stern just a few weeks after. So the timing is right that Borg could have been given KISS immediately after TWD, with instruction to get this done ASAP.
KISS would have wanted to rush out the game out to coincide with their just released album - something that Stern probably explained to the KISS marketing people was not achievable by JPop. Stern probably passed the game to the person they feel is their fastest designer - the master John Borg.
...This has to be a KISS machine!
I can't help but brag about my prediction above made one month ago. <.> (Admittedly, I did change my mind later based on a Stern FB post @.@).
Here is my next prediction: Denis Norman is designing Thunderbirds.
I won't explain that logic just until my prediction becomes fact.
...I Love the pop bumper caps on KISS. I hope that retro style becomes the common practice for all machines.
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Thinking about the timing, TWD was released not long after it was announced that Stern got the Kiss licence. JPop took his non playable prototype to Chicago expo I think (oct 2014), only to have the licence granted to Stern just a few weeks after. So the timing is right that Borg could have been given KISS immediately after TWD, with instruction to get this done ASAP.
KISS would have wanted to rush out the game out to coincide with their just released album - something that Stern probably explained to the KISS marketing people was not achievable by JPop. Stern probably passed the game to the person they feel is their fastest designer - the master John Borg.
...This has to be a KISS machine!
I can't help but brag about my prediction above made one month ago. <.> (Admittedly, I did change my mind later based on a Stern FB post @.@).
Here is my next prediction: Denis Norman is designing Thunderbirds.
I won't explain that logic just until my prediction becomes fact.
...I Love the pop bumper caps on KISS. I hope that retro style becomes the common practice for all machines.
Its been very quiet from the Steve Ritchie camp...I would have locked it in that he was doing KISS.
Maybe he is doing Thunderbirds!?.. Now that would be cool.
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Nino buying a NIB! Nice!
A NIB Stern at that. First time for everything. It's not a theme for me, but I hope it's a success for Stern and KISS fans.
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I think Brunswick Brawler is on the $.
I am not a gambling man but I would put a thousand down on John Borg being the designer of KISS.
If it hadn't of been for his email 3 or 4 weeks ago saying his next title is going to be released next, and his arms being in those photos, I would have been still thinking it was a 50/50 between Borgy and Steve Ritchie doing KISS.
Either way, both designers are brilliant.
It just seems that John Borg can design a pin much faster and with great success than any other designer on the planet. For a long time, Borgy was the backbone of Sterns design department. A few titles like Avatar and Transformers were Sterns cost cutting tables in a financial period where Stern was struggling to survive so I dont blame any designer for those Budget playfields cause they can only design what the boss allows them to $ wise, but Stern has done very well with all Borgys designs (and Steve Ritchies tables) and there hasn't been a dud for a long time.
So KISS is coming out, but what is Steve Ritchie working on ? Got my head scratching on that one cause Steve sticks to big titles like ACDC and Star Trek and so on.
When I was a kid about 8 years old in 1978, KISS weren't a band, they were an Industry. Gene Simmons has always been the genius behind KISS.
My favourite was always Ace, so I am hoping ACE features heavily on the new KISS pinball.
Can u imagine the mods that will be made and available for the KISS machine ! Should be some thoroughly excellent mods coming up from all around the world.
Will Stern sell and build more KISS pinnies than they did ACDC ? I wish production numbers were released.
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I doubt KISS will out sell AC/DC. Acca Dacca was a great price point and popular theme. Hard to beat that combo as far as sales go.
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I think mods will be interesting as KISS (Gene) like to control their branding.....
Steve could be doing the next Star Wars or Superman? Plus read somewhere that he wasn't a fan of Kiss hence not doing the design. Curious if they do a Fast and Furious..
Anyway Kiss is a cool looking game so far and see what happens with the art. And as per Nino's request pretty sure the guys in the US have worked out how to replace songs in other games so should be possible on this one.
Pretty sure Kiss were around since 1973 though - could be wrong
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Who has the biggest following band wise in the world today ?
ACDC or KISS ? I don't have a clue.
Both bands have always been HUGE in Australia but the rest of the world ? !@#
If the Aussie dollar was the same now as it was for ACDC, then the Pro would be apx $6600 with shaker and delivery versus the $7850 current Pro pricing. Can't blame AMD or Stern for the Aus $ but something tells me that this will be a lot of people's Grail pin and the extra $1250 or $1500 ain't going to hold people back.
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I think mods will be interesting as KISS (Gene) like to control their branding.....
Steve could be doing the next Star Wars or Superman? Plus read somewhere that he wasn't a fan of Kiss hence not doing the design. Curious if they do a Fast and Furious..
Anyway Kiss is a cool looking game so far and see what happens with the art. And as per Nino's request pretty sure the guys in the US have worked out how to replace songs in other games so should be possible on this one.
Pretty sure Kiss were around since 1973 though - could be wrong
1973 ? Swinksy ? Ask Nino.
I only remember from 1978 as a young kid and only noticed KISS for the first time at 8 with their smash hit "I was made for Loving You". The lead guitar in that song still remains awesome and the video clip is just excellent still to this day. If you design any mods Swinksy, I will be a buyer I am sure. Your mirror blades with KISS cut out by laser and backlit somehow would be a big seller in Australia.
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I've got my sights on KISS as my next pin purchase....whenever that will be.
As for Steve Ritchie, Game of Thrones. This was hot on the rumour mill before today's announcement.
Looking forward to seeing the cabinet art on each of the KISS models.
Cheers!
Adam.
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I wonder if they have 105 x 4 LE's, one for each band member ????
even though the mirror blades back lit would be cool, I doubt it would work as generally there isn't alot of room and to push the blades out another 1mm on each side to allow for lighting wouldn't work. For fun I did start a mod for KISS tonight, see how it looks in a few days.
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Keep this thread "On Topic". It is a thread about the KISS pinball - if members want to discuss designers, costs etc - find an existing thread or start a new one.
I have ordered an LE.
I'm not revealing sources, but the rumor is at least half of the "possible" allocation of LE's for Australia are already reserved. 50 TWD were snapped up very quickly, and I'm told IF the same numbers of KISS LE's are allocated then they will be gone within 48 hours of the distributors information pack from Stern - which is by this weekend.
In other words - "now or never".
I've asked if the songs can be removed and the original recordings added at a future date on the new platform. A bit of "KISStory" (and the major reason I don't follow the tribute band = current line up) - The "classic" songs written and recorded by the original four members have stood the test of time. The 2015 setlist is 75% comprised of the first 6 studio albums (1973-77). Gen and Paul re recorded the classic songs with the current line up to disallow the two original members - Peter and Ace, from obtaining royalties for any projects using the early catalogue - which is what everyone wants to hear or use. Smart move if you want to rip off your old bandmates. The NEW recordings are bland and over produced. The "greatest hits" album these recordings were used for were only successful in Japan. So my question is that I would like to remove these poor recording and replace them with the original recordings that have the "magic" of the original four and not session artists.
This might seem like a bit of a whinge, but there are FOUR new premium customers waiting to hear if this is possible. NONE own pinball machines - obviously hardcore KISS fans.
KISS started their careers in 1973. Playing to a crowd of 4 people (3 were allegedly busboys) in Coventry New York, although some dispute that fact and suggest it was either in a Loft in Queens, or at the Hotel Diplomat.
biggest following - AC/DC VS KISS - Hard to tell. AC/DC have sold over 200 Million records - KISS have sold over 100 Million. KISS tour the world almost every year, AC/DC every 3-5 years. Both iconic bands. AC/DC broke through in the USA in 1978 opening for KISS in their heyday - Love Gun and Alive 2 tours.
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What do you reckon the glass box thing up from the pops represents?
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I thought I had a sale lined up
My mechanic ic a huge kiss fan
We, he was until I told him the price :(
Oh well
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Looks great but I've decided to wait to see more :) I'll most likely grab a premium:)
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What do you reckon the glass box thing up from the pops represents?
Looked at the photos over and over and I can only assume their will be a KISS band member in there that shakes or does something because there appears to be magnets on the base of the clear square panels.
Another guess is something like a light show that represents fire like they have on their concerts.
Could it be a large Gene Simmons tounge that shakes and moves during some game play.
In the photos it doesn't appear to be connected to the rear clear ramps or the wireforms or the ball VUK.
It has to be a casing for a toy of some sort that is cool to the eye but has magnets to help something shake or move ?
Now I have to wait weeks wondering what the hell it is. Lol
Really looking forward to seeing pictures of the Pro and getting my hands on a few Translites for the collection.
Stern is going great guns of late.
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The cage is standing in for Paul
Stern has full color pics on their FB page
I wish the back glass was further away from the Bally game
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here they are, looks great and amazing how the cabinet changes with the trim change
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more and click the photos
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and more
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last ones, plus another cabinet shot
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I don't want one but for me that's the nicest looking Stern I have ever seen...would still love an original Bally Kiss though. ^^^
Also I prefer the first cabinet black with red trim and flames...just my 10 cents worth..again very nice
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I'm with you Peter, I think Premium is the way to go. Don't get caught up in the hype until the machine is a known quantity i.e. is it going to be a good game to play as well as being 'Kiss' and looking pretty darn good. Looks like all the backglasses/translites are going to be the same artwork so in the grand scheme of things, there is really very little difference between a premium and LE machine by the looks of it.
There will be plenty of Pro and premium machines around for a long time I reckon to buy a NIB machine. I am hoping my business does well enough over summer to buy myself a premium.
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Fark me that is one ugly looking machine.
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I wasn't sure what i'd think about a remake of Kiss, but i think it looks SWEET AS! *%* *%*
I like how they've used the original style bumper caps, same as the original Bally version.
Too bad i can't afford to buy a brand new pin, otherwise i'd consider getting one.
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Artwork is amazing. Simple, but amazing. Ace and Peter are on the cabinet and predominantly on the playfield. I can't tell which is the LE or Premium .. Is that a good or bad sign ?
As good if not better than TWD.
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Nino the LE has red power coat and Premium and pro has black trim :) I'm sticking with premium as the black will sit nice new to my back in black rock on KISS I love it.
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Thinking about the timing, TWD was released not long after it was announced that Stern got the Kiss licence. JPop took his non playable prototype to Chicago expo I think (oct 2014), only to have the licence granted to Stern just a few weeks after. So the timing is right that Borg could have been given KISS immediately after TWD, with instruction to get this done ASAP.
KISS would have wanted to rush out the game out to coincide with their just released album - something that Stern probably explained to the KISS marketing people was not achievable by JPop. Stern probably passed the game to the person they feel is their fastest designer - the master John Borg.
...This has to be a KISS machine!
I can't help but brag about my prediction above made one month ago. <.> (Admittedly, I did change my mind later based on a Stern FB post @.@).
Here is my next prediction: Denis Norman is designing Thunderbirds.
I won't explain that logic just until my prediction becomes fact.
...I Love the pop bumper caps on KISS. I hope that retro style becomes the common practice for all machines.
This! Well done BB @@*
I like the cab - prefer the red - not so keen on the backbox sides. Will be very interesting to see how the game performs in the marketplace - such a hard act to follow the original.
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Nino the LE has red power coat and Premium and pro has black trim :) I'm sticking with premium as the black will sit nice new to my back in black rock on KISS I love it.
Cool - I like the flames on the cabinet, so I'll stick with the LE. Three cabinets are all slightly different.
Ironically, I have not bought ANY KISS memorabilia for 10 years. This game looks simply unbelievable. The hand drawn art, the classic pop bumper cabs, the spinner, two drop targets and COLOSSAL BONUS is back ! The central artwork on the playfield looks nothing like the 4 members - it is more like the comic book. Well done on Stern FORCING the issue of the original members. This could have been a massive lemon, but I'm sold. I have a headache over the excitement !
I JUST HOPE I can remove the re recorded tracks and replace them with the original recordings.
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There is an article on pinside about replacing sound clips on stern games
Not sure if is just SAM or it works with spike aswell
But whatever the fix, you will have to apply the same fix each time you update the software
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I think the cab artwork is a bit too simple. Playfield and BB look good. The pro / premium would be my pick based on looks alone.
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I think the cab artwork is a bit too simple. Playfield and BB look good.
I think it is overloaded and messy! I liked the look of the play field art when it was a sketch in black and white. The cabinet is, um, well way too technicolour yawn for me. Very colourful is an under statement. Maybe the artist Kevin tried too hard to make it look like a Dirty Donny art piece. Just doesn't look right. An 80's art work on a modern 2015 machine. hhhhmmmm!
Hope it plays really well!
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Well it’s finally happening after all these years and it looks great.
I’ll be reading on this pinnie with great interest, considering i’ve been on a hiatus on the pinball communities of late.
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I like the artwork and the nods it gives to the original pin in various places. I think the black armour looks better than the red. The red just seems to make the whole playfield with the flames etc appear too OTT. Take away the red armour and it looks better to me.
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Plenty of diversity of opinion on this one. On the cabinet someone said too simple but I think the opposite - I would have preferred the flames more red than orange & in a simpler style so as to give a larger "nod" to the original. And the black - rather than "glittery"/ stars (whatever they are) I'd prefer it just solid colour fading to darker at the edge. And I would like the backbox sides better matching the cab. I can see how it is dividing opinion - given the aesthetics I feel that gameplay will be the decider on this machine.
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apparently the rumour is
600 LEs are being made (300 going overseas, 100 to Kiss fanclub, 200 remaining for North America).
LEs ship late June.
Premiums ship late July.
matrix and the line up together
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I loved the artwork on TWD LE - best cab art I've ever seen. Once the machine is in a line up with other titles, it is not really an issue. I like the red flames. It is not too overbearing and it has the original four members. This IS the key for most fans. If the sideart had the present members, I would NEVER had committed to this game. So it is clear to me that the artwork is either the original line up or the comic book "heroes" look. VERY VERY happy with this. The only other option would to go "all out" with the artwork from an album, or another concert shot drawn by Kevin O'Connor. I was not expected the cabinet to be overbearing. I'm just grateful that the art has ACE and PETER.
The playfield art is simply unbelievable - I loved the art on Metallica - but that type of design can be a little overbearing. I love what they have done. It is perfect. I'm so happy that they have the tie in with the original artwork. The bumper caps, the wireform ramps, the TAF similarities with the pop bumpers and the scoop. TWO Drop Target banks, some weird game features that I have no clue about, but an open playfield with no bash toy.
Seriously, it is like Stern have been asking "me" what "I" would like for a KISS pinball. Pinch me, is this all real @@^
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Interesting the guy who did this version of the classic Kiss pin showed it to the artist of both pins back in 2012.
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Interesting the guy who did this version of the classic Kiss pin showed it to the artist of both pins back in 2012.
Which was preceded by another that was done by a French dude and even another 10-12 years ago done at Bumper. So it was originally copied from the original factory design with a different base colour and flames. I can't understand why people like that give themselves so much credit when they have copied someone else anyway ?
So the guy that copied the original cabinet (different colours and added flames), shows this to the guy that actually designed it, and then claims some sort of credit ?
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So differences between Prem & LE, just art work & what else ?
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Interesting the guy who did this version of the classic Kiss pin showed it to the artist of both pins back in 2012.
Which was preceded by another that was done by a French dude and even another 10-12 years ago done at Bumper. So it was originally copied from the original factory design with a different base colour and flames. I can't understand why people like that give themselves so much credit when they have copied someone else anyway ?
So the guy that copied the original cabinet (different colours and added flames), shows this to the guy that actually designed it, and then claims some sort of credit ?
I have only seen this one, but good point.
moving right along..
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TWO Drop Target banks, some weird game features that I have no clue about, but an open playfield with no bash toy.
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Hey Nino, The LE looks Killer,
Just looking at the drops the right side they look like stand up's, hard to tell ??
hi res pics below
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/play-pinball-like-its-1978-with-the-new-kiss-game/
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TWO Drop Target banks, some weird game features that I have no clue about, but an open playfield with no bash toy.
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Hey Nino, The LE looks Killer,
Just looking at the drops the right side they look like stand up's, hard to tell ??
hi res pics below
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/play-pinball-like-its-1978-with-the-new-kiss-game/
Check out the feature matrix, it shows you the differences in the models
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TWO Drop Target banks, some weird game features that I have no clue about, but an open playfield with no bash toy.
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Hey Nino, The LE looks Killer,
Just looking at the drops the right side they look like stand up's, hard to tell ??
hi res pics below
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/play-pinball-like-its-1978-with-the-new-kiss-game/
Yep - Upon closer inspection - one set of DT and one bank of stand up targets - just like the original.
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From pinside:
Spinning disc under the "Demon" for fast ball return action
3 ball lock trough assembly with ball eject device
Spinning disc and ball trough???
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/06/a3936e6539aafd5086c812ba27ad3942.jpg)
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a guy on pinside posted this resemblance between Gary and Gene - Could be Gary under the face paint on the game. %.%
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The best birthday present I could have recieved today, other than seeing my kids, was to see this AWESOME Kiss Pinball released.
I will buy myself the Pro and get the metal work powder coated the same beautiful purple that is on the cabinet sides just to personalise and make my machine a little unique. I am quietly hoping the Pro price is not more than the Latest Pro pricing of $7850 ish. Money these days is not quite as easy to come by as it was for many years but I would regret not buying one of these Kiss pinnies BNIB.
I am happy for anyone who is pumped about buying this machine.
On looks alone it's a definate winner for me. I would buy a Borg design Pinny any day of the week without first playing it cause he always hits a home run with his Playfield layouts.
I will bet this game plays awesome in Pro or Premium/LE format.
The LE games will appreciate in value for sure, but anyone who buys a LE will most probably keep it forever because having the pin forever would beat a few grand profit any day of the week.
But having said that, I am sure a few people will try n buy just to sit on and sell BNIB for double the price IF they can.
Same happened with ACDC LE. It just raised the price to ridiculous levels.
That's why I have felt the Pro espescially has always been excellent value for money.
The Premium will also be popular and will give people who don't want to spend really high amounts on the LE an option. Either way, Pro, Premium or LE, everyone is a winner here with this title.
Well done Team Stern.
Thankyou Swinksy for loading up all those pictures. ^^^
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I hope they include Shandi on the track list.
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I'm waiting for the Hitler video.
The SS on this new title should remain authentic.
I hear that the Furher is ordering half the LEs.
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Brett looks like $7950 from Bruce incl gst with no coin mech
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Stern's marketing have done something different with this release. They have a KISS Pinball dedicated Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/kisspinball (https://www.facebook.com/kisspinball)
Makes sense, as its more likely to attract people who are into KISS but not necessarily Stern or Pinball. Those people are more likely to 'like/follow' a specific Facebook thread that is just about KISS pinball and does not include other pinball stuff that they may not be interested in.
And if it hasn't been confirmed elsewhere yet, this Facebook page confirms that Borg is the designer.
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Mirrored backglass on the LE adds to the perfectly matched fit to the 1978 machine.
...If you had a 1978 machine, how could you not buy this to sit along side it. They would look great as a pair.
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Looks the goods eh?
Best looking Stern machine yet!
They are pushing the right buttons here.. hand drawn art.. bumper caps we all know and love.. listened to KISS fans and done them justice.. no bash toy.. free ball from bumpers.
Didn't know the band were steroid users!
certainly looks good.. this is one hell of a collectible pin!
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With everyone here so horned up and loving the look of this, I had to look again and guess what?
A BIG FAT NO FIRKIN WAY! What am I missing? show me the way please.
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Looks the goods eh?
Best looking Stern machine yet!
They are pushing the right buttons here.. hand drawn art.. bumper caps we all know and love.. listened to KISS fans and done them justice.. no bash toy.. free ball from bumpers.
Didn't know the band were steroid users!
certainly looks good.. this is one hell of a collectible pin!
All that +1
Not steroid but stereo. Some interesting possibilities with ability to connect external amplification with the available 3 channel hifi.
RGB pop bumper lighting should make one hell of a light show.
Edit: Oh, forgot the separate bass and treble control. Music to our ears!
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With everyone here so horned up and loving the look of this, I had to look again and guess what?
A BIG FAT NO FIRKIN WAY! What am I missing? show me the way please.
Put that machine in a room and it will stand out like the proverbial dogs bollox and attract many customers. It what pinball used to do. All we see now are yellowed tired machines from the 50's up but when they were first released they would have been as bright as hell compared to the surroundings... designed to attract the eye instantly. Big bright machines with flashing lights all designed to draw you in and drop a coin or two.
This machine will do just that all over again but also screaming a new century... many of my pet hates are missing from this machine and so for me. its a move back to real pinball.
Ill be dropping a coin or two that's for sure.. shame I cant stand the bloody band!
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With everyone here so horned up and loving the look of this, I had to look again and guess what?
A BIG FAT NO FIRKIN WAY! What am I missing? show me the way please.
Cabinet Artwork:
Kept simple, yet great use of colour. The Pro is my favourite with the use of purple - big with 1970s EM. LE works well to, as its colours tie in to the 1978 game.
Playfield Artwork:
Again kept simple. You don't often see 'blank' areas on the play filed. Have a look at the flipper area and scoop area. There is lost of black - effectively blank space, again EM games never really filled in everything with art drawings. Instead it was normal to have lots of blocks of single colour.
Look at the scoop. Note that the artwork 'arrow' are used to almost demonstrate to shot for the scope. Bordering on the artwork being used to tell you about the rules. A lost 'art' in modern pinball, as the rules are far to complicated to be explained on the playfield.
Also note how Gene's fire breathing is used to highlight the KISS targets.
...It has been a long time since the artwork 'interacted' so well with the game.
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With everyone here so horned up and loving the look of this, I had to look again and guess what?
A BIG FAT NO FIRKIN WAY! What am I missing? show me the way please.
I have to agree RE the cabinet. They could've done so much more with it. It will be interesting to see how it plays.
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I'm still on the fence re how this pin looks - BUT big thumbs up for a simpler p/f, no bash toy, drop targets, original band members, & some good tie-ins with the original. Very very tough & important pin for Stern - & I have to agree they've listened (I'm somewhat surprised by this). I am looking forward very much to reviews of the game play. Personally I'll be surprised if it's not the best playing Stern to date - the play field layout looks great - FINALLY some open space & no bash toy.... finger's crossed it is a cracker to play.
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With everyone here so horned up and loving the look of this, I had to look again and guess what?
A BIG FAT NO FIRKIN WAY! What am I missing? show me the way please.
Where do you start ?
The artwork is unfreakenbelieveable. The most iconic pinball of the 70's is suddenly thrust into the limelight with modern technology. When was the last time ANY pinball had this much brilliance in the artwork. Even as a standalone piece of art, the playfield and backglass are awesome. Kevin O'Connor, Dave Christansen and Paul Faris were the best artists in pinball from any era. The fact that O'Connor was commissioned to do the artwork is in itself, something that Stern had done their homework on.
To draw a comparison - What if Stern wanted to do a similar job with say Fathom or Paragon. FIRST thing to do is replicate what worked best - the artwork ATTRACTED customers to the game. The playfield design KEPT them playing. I would not be at all surprised if Stern use one of these guys in the future. They did a similar job with Metallica - They brought in Dirty Donnie for the Metallica artwork, and they will most likely look at Derek Riggs IF they did an Iron Maiden machine. The artwork is a BIG letdown on arguably Stern's best game in 20 years - AC/DC. Imagine an artwork package of KISS on AC/DC ?
The playfield has had positive comments already. The flow looks good and the features don't really make sense at the moment. The levitating ball ties in with the "Love Gun" song in their live shows. Again, they did their homework.
Cabinet is simple. I like the LE, and I don't care if I'm spending an extra $2000 on fancy legs and trim. I'm a KISS fan, and it has the original four members on the cabinet - again, a tie in with the original.
The fans - Unless you are a fan, or you know a fan - you will NEVER understand it. If you don't like the music, again, you will never understand it. There is NO fan like a KISS fan. It's rabid, its diehard and it consumes a lot of time and money. My personal collection is worth $30,000 AT LEAST. I have not spent a cent collecting anything since 2004. If you have never seen the band live, you won't get it. There is a certain "magic" or "chemistry" of that original line up that is timeless.
Seriously, I was definitely expecting this is be a piece of crap that depicted the current line up. I was expecting photoshopped rubbish and cost cutting cheap toys with a rehashed playfield design. I was not expecting, not for a single minute, that this game would even look HALF as good as this. I don't care that the code will not be ready, I don't care that the trim etc is not worth the extra $2000. I don't care that there is no shaker motor, or topper included. I don't care that is has no LCD (I don't want that crap on a pinball anyway). I don't care if it costs $10K, 11K, 12K, 13K..
The only way I can draw an analogy for you Andy - Imagine a pinball with a surfing theme that had a wave you could ride forever ?
Didn't you mention "life is too short", or "You only live once" on the Big Juicy Melons thread - That's the FIRST thing that popped into my head when I confirmed my KISS LE.
I have way too many games to restore for customers and the chances of me actually PLAYING my own restored game within the next 3-5 years is impossible. So this machine is something I CANNOT wait to play.
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Gees Nino, I see your other side other than a passionate restorer.
Good on ya mate and happy times ahead.
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Gees Nino, I see your other side other than a passionate restorer.
Good on ya mate and happy times ahead.
Thanks mate. I have had my Bonox.
Yes - I was the black sheep during my school years. I think back with fondness and often wonder what happened to The Culture Club, Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran and the almighty Flock of Seagulls.
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Personally, I don't like KISS. Never have. But this machine is a winner.
I can't wait to play it. I expect it will not be hard to find this on location. It will be a big earner for operators in Australia.
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The only way I can draw an analogy for you Andy - Imagine a pinball with a surfing theme that had a wave you could ride forever ?
Didn't you mention "life is too short", or "You only live once" on the Big Juicy Melons thread - That's the FIRST thing that popped into my head when I confirmed my KISS LE.
I have way too many games to restore for customers and the chances of me actually PLAYING my own restored game within the next 3-5 years is impossible. So this machine is something I CANNOT wait to play.
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Yep I understand that, but it would be better in an 80's Italian kitchen to go with the bench tops! %.%
Just not my trip as far as aesthetics go, game play looks sort of different though.
I like ALL people who have a passion, regardless of what it is, sometimes I just don't get it. My problem , not theirs.
PRO looks the best though. Think the red is too stark and the colour scheme is well, GNARLY.
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Brett looks like $7950 from Bruce incl gst with no coin mech
Awesome. Thankyou for the info.
Great post cause your info helps out all the members.
Was just thinking tonight
"What's the BEST thing to ever happen to Pinball ? ? (and Stern USA & AMD)
The Internet !
Gary Stern and Pinball Industry people like Gary who have been around Pinball all their lives would have relied heavily on "word of mouth" to sell pinballs in the old days pre-Internet.
Now Social Media makes life so much easier for both Manufacturer and consumer alike.
If 5 percent of the KISS Army purchased a KISS pinball, the snowball effect could be huge.
I would love to see the 2015 Model KISS Pinballs outsell the 1978 Model.
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Nino...
When do you want me to start on the stencils? %.% %.% %.% %.%
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"What's the BEST thing to ever happen to Pinball ? ? (and Stern USA & AMD)
The Internet !
Very true.
More from the internet... Here is an excellent discussion on KISS by Nate Shivers, just posted:
http://www.coast2coastpinball.com (http://www.coast2coastpinball.com) Episode 162 "Demon Tongue Madness or Stern Wants To Kiss You".
PS.
I suspect the 'spinning disks' under Gene's head are what was done on TRON. Two disks, one inside the other, that make the ball go wild.
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Man, i want to play one.
Looks great to me.
I like the wireform ramp refurns.
Gene head looks cool.
This screams 70s..
Stern have done very well.
70s Kiss is awesome. Modern Kiss is a bit lame. So the idea of retro really works.
Stern have hit the nail on the head with this one.
Looks absolutely awesome.
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Haha, I am thoroughly enjoying Nino's excitement on this!
Reminds me of when I paid for my Tron NIB and had to wait a couple of months for it, I was so excited.
Hope to feel that again one day, c'mon Resident Evil pin....... *%*
Ok back to regular programming, like the idea of a ball lock with a spinning disc in it. Similar to the Tortuga shot on POTC.
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I wanted to add something after reading Nino,s post which I really enjoyed reading cause I love the deep passion people have for pinball and also for music.
Being a blatant blatant Stern fan, I am really glad to see someone excited about a machine.
I know it's a crazy thing to say, but some of us fall in love at first sight with pinball machines like we do with women and cars. Some blokes will understand what I am saying and some won't. But us guys love our machinery, our touchable mechanical things. Sometimes, I wonder what gives me more enjoyment, walking into a room and just staring at a pinball machine for 15 minutes and studying the beauty of it and it's deep visual attraction or playing it.
Nino is spot on, these things are art pieces.
Another thing, if you think these Sterns look great in the photos, I can tell you from the Sterns I have purchased, they look twice as good in the flesh in your own house/room, lit up or not.
Last thing, I can't under estimate the ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE that is John Borg.
This guy is a genius with his playfields and his shots and flow.
His use of arrows (lit inserts etc) on a playfield is just awesome.
My X Men Pro is a classic example. The use of red arrows on the playfield on that game is just genius.
There are lots of them on that game but it works so well.
No Borgy design is the same but they have the uniquely successful Borgy feel.
In anyone else's hands, this KISS game could have been so so, but to me, as a huge John Borg fan and owner of a lot of his titles, it was a given this game was going to be killer.
Steve Ritchie might be the KING, but Johnny Borg is THE GENIUS of modern Pinball.
I say to anyone who wants a great 24 to 48 hour fun trip for a lousy couple of hundred bucks if u live outside of Sydney, catch a cheap return flight to visit AMD and say hello to Bruce and Michael and go and look first hand at the latest range of Sterns incl KISS when it comes into stock.
Even if you aren't going to buy, it's worth the few hundred bucks to visit AMD.
OR visit TimeZone at Surfers on the Gold Coast and see and play every latest Stern you could imagine.
You will feel like a kid in a lollie shop at either AMD or TimeZone Surfers.
Like I said before, these games look great in photos, but are just awesome in real life.
Some people are a bit ? About ACDC artwork on the pin. But it is so much better in real life than the photos. All the Sterns are.
I am like Nino and others, I love the bands music (both ACDC and KISS).
If you like the music, you are already at least half way there to being attracted to the pin.
I just think anything that promotes Stern and Pinball is excellent.
John Borg, and team Stern just keep hitting home runs clear out of the park !
Gary Stern would be dam proud to have Borgy on the payroll.
Borgy just got a whack of new fans, the entire KISS Army !
Also really glad AMD have another winner to sell. Having AMD in Australia and healthy is vital to modern day pinball promotion. I reckon the media will really pick up on this title.
It's great that pinball now in Australia is considered very cool. Happy days for all passionate pinheads.
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Well I was going to order a premium due to color scheme but thought **** it I'll go the LE after all there my favourite band. I know Adam and Blair I'm always changing my mind lol
This will sit nice next to my back in black oh and I have there concert in October what a year $#$
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Pete, buy the Pro !
Change Ya mind again and save 3 grand. Lol
Seriously though, the LE will be the best resale probably but maybe play the different models first then decide.
When I bought ACDC and X Men, I played them all and actually liked the faster game play and wildness of the Pro models. Same with Mustang and The Walking Dead.
The Premium/LE models have extra eye candy and a few Playfield additions but I find they play slower than the Pro, designed to gobble coins faster and they are more challenging being faster and wilder.
Do you like your women, I mean pinballs wild n fast or a little more pretty and mellow ? Lol
Dont answer that. Lol
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Brett I'm a sucker for cool toys and eye candy :) plus at my age games that play a tad slower well thats better :) can't wait to get it now.
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Your not that old Pete.
Looking forward to your usual very cool time lapse unboxings videos I have come to enjoy watching.
Great fun watching the Gorgar Man setting up a BNIB !
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I sooooooo knew you would change your mind Mr Gorgar. When I said yesterday that "you will tell me tomorrow that you have reserved an LE" I was going to put a case of Crownies on it only it was too hard to type it all in the car.
Well done.
Now, I need to do some research and find the name of a famous acrobat, someone who was a master of the 'backflip' to name you after.
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apparently on the new spike system songs can't be changed YET.
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Well I was going to order a premium due to color scheme but thought **** it I'll go the LE after all there my favourite band. I know Adam and Blair I'm always changing my mind lol
This will sit nice next to my back in black oh and I have there concert in October what a year $#$
LE all the way for this title, Pete. Great to hear !
apparently on the new spike system songs can't be changed YET.
I'm sure in the future they can be changed, but the only song we have heard is "Detroit Rock City" on the videos - and that's a re recording. Like the rest of the r recordings, it sounds flat and has no soul.
If they are using the original members for the art, then they should use the original recordings. Maybe they did.
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Here comes the stick! Haha good job, Pete. You couldn't have an AC/DC LE and not a KISS LE. With low numbers in Australia, it will surely be a.....Collectible....and something you can play the sh1t out of as well. How's that for justification?
Cheers!
Adam.
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Well I was going to order a premium due to color scheme but thought **** it I'll go the LE after all there my favourite band.
Well done Pete, Great Choice, I prefer the LE cab art, No biggy for the signed signature stuff, I'm 50/50 on this I will hedge my decision when they land & take it from there, Swayed towards a LE but a Prem would fit nicely ()
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and if you want to replace the standard black stern plastic shooter rod with a metal, possibly chromed KISS version head to the Kiss Mods thread
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All Australian allocated LEs sold out.
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All Australian allocated LEs sold out.
Wow glad I changed my mind :) deposit paid and shaker added :)
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All Australian allocated LEs sold out.
Not surprised
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All Australian allocated LEs sold out.
Sorry to inform you Nino but I just bought your LE (only kidding, don't start shooting). ^&(
If Nino was to miss out on this Grail pin, Gary Stern would have to join the witness protection program and work undercover at JJP where no one would ever expect to see him)
Dam, LE models sold out already.
Looks like my initial thinking on a Pro will have to suffice.
Perhaps someone or a few LE models will become available a bit later if someone changes their mind etc.
Does anyone think with a title like KISS they could have made an extra 200 LE ?
They still would have SOLD out and they still have the Premium model and Pro to keep the production line busy for ages.
I am waiting to see how many LE models the band actually gets allocated for themselves and family and friends....
How many Stern staff have put their hand up for one....
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Just noticed the saucer under Paul's legs very cool :)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/07/1068a1c5788ae2d6e51c5bfbd1c52e42.jpg)
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Has Stern announced how many LEs will be made?
I wonder if they may be holding off announcing the number of LEs until they test the market. Presuming LEs are selling out in the USA, as fast as they did in Australia, we might see LEs quantities of greater than 500 for this release.
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Regarding the cabinet art on the LE, the "metallic foil" for the LE cabinet sounds like what was used on the Mustang LE cabinet.
The Mustang LE finish looks great. It's a finish that you can't capture in a photo. So if it is also being used on KISS LE, those who purchased a KISS LE that have not seen a Mustang LE will be pleasantly surprised when they see their KISS LE.
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Not sure how many LE's are being made, one of my mates ordered 2 of them, definitely going to unbox one of them.
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Yeah seems the true collectors are jumping the LEs.. Good to see. I can see some pinheads going the premium and Le for storage or leaving NIB
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Has Stern announced how many LEs will be made?
I wonder if they may be holding off announcing the number of LEs until they test the market. Presuming LEs are selling out in the USA, as fast as they did in Australia, we might see LEs quantities of greater than 500 for this release.
600 LE - 300 for the domestic market and 300 for export. A little birdy told me 100 LEs have been presold to a "KISS fanclub" - Maybe the KISS Army ?
The word is 50-60 are allocated to Australia. They are all gone. Stern have done backflips in the past, but distributors have been hounding them to make more.
Stern were told by Distributors that they need to increase the LEs to 1000. No doubt there will be a "Luci" model - HOPEFULLY.
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BTW - Just broke the news to the missus. She was holding a VERY heavy book my son won at the Mother's Day raffle at school - so I didn't tell her the price.
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I'm guessing Stern will do multiple runs of the LEs - if they are onto a good thing they may as well milk it. Plenty of fans so why not look after them. The playfield on this is a gem - is the any video of gameplay anywhere?
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It's odd Stern haven't stated 600LEs on their website. My little bet here is that they will do 1000 LEs. If Stern haven't publicly committed to 600, they seem to deliberately leaving that door open to do more than 600.
...I'd love to see 1000 LEs. It will show that the pinball market is really is growing. It will be great for pinball to see Pro/Premium/LE out sell ACDC.
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BTW - Just broke the news to the missus. She was holding a VERY heavy book my son won at the Mother's Day raffle at school - so I didn't tell her the price.
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Now you know what it's like for some of your customers Nino, when they need to explain to their wives that they have just placed a deposit on an APR game!
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What ever the LE production total is, find out soon I guess, As stated previously by stern LE's don't get a 2nd run in the future, done Is done, nothing stopping them making a Kiss Luci version down the road As Nino hinted.
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On some models of Sterns, when they produce a 4th model, that model becomes HIghly collectable because that model ends up being made in very low numbers. Then when only 3 models are made, but the Premium model is only manufactured after all LE have sold and The Pro production has slowed, the third model or Premium becomes very collectable. Below is the order of production.
Eg - ACDC
Pro, LE models, Premium .Then the Luci model came which I am told is less prevelent than all the other models.
So the Luci is low numbers compared to the others. Less Luci than Pro in Aust.
Eg - The Walking Dead
Pro, LE produced, then last was limited Premium numbers. The green cabinet of the Walking Dead Premium is hardest to find. Probably less than half a dozen in Australia, if that. Very very hard to find. Will rise in value.
Sometimes the Premium or the "after Premium very short run" number can be very collectable and very hard to find.
When KISS sells out of the LE and runs the Pro and Premium numbers for as long as it can, with whatever Premium stock they have left, which might be selling/moving slowly, all they have to is do a slight cabinet decal art change, slight Translite change, this now becomes a "new limited edition" very low numbered release, it then helps clear the Left over Premium playfields and any left over hardware the company can turn into cashflow and profit.
IF Stern is to extend the LE run of KISS, I think it will be only a small run of same LE numbers, or a slightly different LE in order to keep original LE buyers happy.
Either way, the current Stern model makes all models highly collectable, all the way from Pro to LE or other Premium or 4th special run models. It keeps resale values and collect ability high which is good for both industry and consumer alike. The pinball industry is almost using the Car industry model which is a good thing.
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Also, www.pinballnews.com website has a few articles on the KISS pinballs if u haven't already seen it on there.
It doesn't look much when u first click on but it all expands out to lots of info and has the FRIGGIN excellent Stern release video on there.
Also, some other excellent articles about TimeZone on the Gold Coast which will have a KISS pinball very soon I am told and various other great pinball news articles . Martin from PinballNews is a top bloke and runs a world class website and I believe is a fellow Australian based Aussie ! He is great to speak with. Passion running in his veins and such a nice guy. Doing us and the Pinball Industry proud.
Cranked up all the KISS songs listed on the KISS pinball machine list and brought back many fond memories from my childhood so I definately know and feel Nino,s passion.
Also, the audio on the last 4 Sterns (Pro) models I have , all have absolutely excellent stock speakers and the audio even on the Pro models are awesome so the upgrades on the other models will blow your ears off and the clarity already is just amazing so people who purchase the new KISS Pinny are going to be in for a treat.
I don't have any concerns about the recordings or re-recordings used cause I can't see Gene Simmons allowing anything out of the factory that isn't to his perfectionist taste. I am betting that even Nino will be happy with the factory released original audio.
***Can someone who is good at starting those voting threads start one and list the ten KISS songs listed on the new Pinball and do a Vote thread to get members feedback on what is the BEST song listed of those ten songs.
PopBumperPete and Swinksy are usually good at doing that style of voting thread. Thought it might be fun for the forum ? Or anyone else who wants to post it up please !
Thanks from Cavey in advance. ^^^
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On audio, I reckon Stern should integrate wifi in their new system. Upgrades would be easier and sound possibilities awesome.
I just got Sonos Play 5 which sounds out of this world.
KISS or any pinball would sound incredible with a wireless setup around your mancave.
Stern have the capabilities with their new system. Gary, just do it and give our ears a treat!
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I may be wrong about Stern changing their mind on the number of LEs. I based that assumption on not seeing the LE numbers of KISS on their website. Having just looked for LE numbers of other recent machines, I don't see those numbers either. So it seems that this is not out of the ordinary.
I'm still surprised the KISS LEs are only 600. They could easily have sold 1000, based on the current rate of sales.
On audio, I reckon Stern should integrate wifi in their new system. Upgrades would be easier and sound possibilities awesome.
I just got Sonos Play 5 which sounds out of this world.
KISS or any pinball would sound incredible with a wireless setup around your mancave.
Stern have the capabilities with their new system. Gary, just do it and give our ears a treat!
It's not wifi, but you can add a cable to connect to your HiFi system. The KISS Game Features Matrix includes "New CPU mounted line-out audio connector for external amplification"
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As cool as it sounds to have any machine, especially a LE, left in the box as an investment there is an element of risk with doing this. Speaking from personal experience, I bought a MOPLE that had never been opened and technically was out of warranty and guess what, it had several issues that had never been detected because it had never been out of the box. To their credit, AMD were excellent to deal with despite the fact that I was not the original owner and the machine was technically out of warranty. Michael in particular went over and above what he needed to do.
Just remember that the LEs are amongst the first machines to be made and as we have found out with many new Stern machines, there are parts that end up having to be replaced under warranty such as drop targets, PCBs for example and the issues only come to light once there have been numerous games played on the machines and the problem/s start to present in a number of machines.
Some machines have imperfections that probably should not have passed through Stern's quality control and unless you pull your machine out, you will not know if there are any issues or imperfections that may well be rectified or replaced under warranty.
Not trying to spoil the fun but just something to think about. After my experience, if you were planning to sit on it as an investment, I would at least CAREFULLY pull the machine out of the box, have a good look over it and then put it back to bed in the box. Your audit report/s will show the machine has never been played as well as the fact there won't be any marks or dimples on the playfield, targets and the like. The machine will be worth more to you knowing there is nothing wrong with the machine as opposed to pulling it out of the box and then finding the playfield is flawed, cabinet is marked or scratched and the machine is well out of warranty.
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As cool as it sounds to have any machine, especially a LE, left in the box as an investment there is an element of risk with doing this. Speaking from personal experience, I bought a MOPLE that had never been opened and technically was out of warranty and guess what, it had several issues that had never been detected because it had never been out of the box. To their credit, AMD were excellent to deal with despite the fact that I was not the original owner and the machine was technically out of warranty. Michael in particular went over and above what he needed to do.
Just remember that the LEs are amongst the first machines to be made and as we have found out with many new Stern machines, there are parts that end up having to be replaced under warranty such as drop targets, PCBs for example and the issues only come to light once there have been numerous games played on the machines and the problem/s start to present in a number of machines.
Some machines have imperfections that probably should not have passed through Stern's quality control and unless you pull your machine out, you will not know if there are any issues or imperfections that may well be rectified or replaced under warranty.
Not trying to spoil the fun but just something to think about. After my experience, if you were planning to sit on it as an investment, I would at least CAREFULLY pull the machine out of the box, have a good look over it and then put it back to bed in the box. Your audit report/s will show the machine has never been played as well as the fact there won't be any marks or dimples on the playfield, targets and the like. The machine will be worth more to you knowing there is nothing wrong with the machine as opposed to pulling it out of the box and then finding the playfield is flawed, cabinet is marked or scratched and the machine is well out of warranty.
Distributors have already been told by Stern not to allow single customers to buy multiple LEs. Not sure if this effects other titles, but KISS fans usually buy two of everything, and store the spare to sell 10 years down the track. I'm told one customer wanted 4 games and another 3 games. Both were politely declined.
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Even if a game was BNIB and pulled out, had a dozen only test games played on it, then put back in the box, current game plays and audits left in tact and not erased, the machine would still sell in five seconds a week or a year or more down the track.
The benefit to the buyer is that the game has been tested and can be described as such. This would not scare off any buyers. I understand what happened in Blairs (Pintoxicated) case. Something was missed at factory and the game wasn't checked out of box in Australia.
I know that when AMD gets a BNIB game and is asked by the customer to fully check the game before shipment, they pull the game out at absolutely no cost, check everything and then send the machine out after fitting coin mechs and shakers etc if u buy them fitted.
Also, my understanding is that every game is played and tested at Stern and audits (any plays) are reset so someone thinking a BNIB has never had any Playfield action for a few minutes is not always correct. The games are all plugged into Sterns test rigs and everything is also checked on a software package. This happens on every game.
I have never had a BNIB Stern with any faults from factory and the machines (at my request) were never pulled out in Sydney for checking. I fit my own shakers etc. Never had a scratch or blemish or anything. Been all perfect from factory. The only hassle I had after a year was a few tiny marks on a few ramp flaps on ACDC. Otherwise perfecto.
KISS should be solid. Nothing ever gets past AMD if they pull the machine out of the box and check it over thoroughly and they always request they do that.
The audio output option on KISS sounds good. The Wi Fi idea is great n should be a reality sooner or later by new design or simple add on to some existing Stern titles.
I am sure a few people bought a few LE models for themselves.
Wife rings up, brother rings up and customer rings up and so on.
Since I like the Pro models, certainly wasn't the case for me etc but who knows, someone may have bought a multiple or two ?
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Surely a fanatical collector would buy a minimum one of each edition, then multiples if possible.
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New cheaper model released %.%
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Surely a fanatical collector would buy a minimum one of each edition, then multiples if possible.
Not with the LEs. BUT - A loophole would be to order an LE from different distributors #@#
As soon as my LE hits the showroom floor, there will be at least 4-5 KISS collectors who will have the opportunity to play the game and then decide if they want a Premium or not. I had a customer play TWD LE today, and he walked away totally impressed with the gameplay. He is a KISS fan, and he wants the call the day I set mine up. I think once the scramble for the LE's is done - mostly KISS Collectors anyway - then Pinball fans will snap up the premiums IF the game is a good player will good code.
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It's only a matter of time Nino before you have multiple BNIB Sterns in your collection and you play them often and feel the latest DMD stuff is just as fun to collect and play as the 80,s or 90,s stuff.
ACDC , X Men , Avengers, The Walking Dead, Kiss etc etc.
The older pins and the latest stuff all compliment each other.
The fact you have a new Stern at APR Headquarters already and have had for a while tells me you might not want to let go of that Walking Dead pinny so easy and u might even replace it with one of your own.
In the world of pinball, Never say Never.
Dying to get my hands on the Stern flyers for the Kiss machines. And a translite or two.
I also predict sooner or later u will seriously rethink becoming a Stern dealer in VIC.
Never say Never.
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Have all the LE"s that have been allocated to Australia Sold out ?
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It's only a matter of time Nino before you have multiple BNIB Sterns in your collection and you play them often and feel the latest DMD stuff is just as fun to collect and play as the 80,s or 90,s stuff.
ACDC , X Men , Avengers, The Walking Dead, Kiss etc etc.
The older pins and the latest stuff all compliment each other.
The fact you have a new Stern at APR Headquarters already and have had for a while tells me you might not want to let go of that Walking Dead pinny so easy and u might even replace it with one of your own.
In the world of pinball, Never say Never.
Dying to get my hands on the Stern flyers for the Kiss machines. And a translite or two.
I also predict sooner or later u will seriously rethink becoming a Stern dealer in VIC.
Never say Never.
I'm old school - So the only DMD's I have an ongoing interest in playing is Scared Stiff, CV and TWD. I will play 50 games on Paragon, before I turn my attention to a DMD. Nothing against DMDs - it is just the Golden Era of pinball is such a strong period by ALL manufacturers that I keep returning back. I played a mint Fathom today (play tested for a friend), and it cannot be beaten for gameplay and artwork.
TWD is more an emotional connection as it was Greg's machine. It is still an AMAZING game, but I cannot play it (at this point). As I've mentioned before, would definitely own a TWD LE "if" the price was AUS$7500 ish.
True confession time - I knew the KISS machine was next (not from the Stern or "pinball" camp). But the artwork was kept under wraps so well that nothing was leaked. I was expecting the artwork to be reflective of the current line up. so I was "in a way" waiting for the failure so I could really kick the boots in to BOTH Stern and KISS. To go from one extreme to the other has surprised me in a way I've felt the entire release was surreal. The artwork is simply mind boggling. The layout is promising. The pop bumper / scoop is so "Addams Family" etc that I can't wait to play it. Metal ramps VS Plastic ramps - I love the metal ramps.
Two things really hit me today. I remember the day I watched my Father unbox NIB 1978 KISS pinballs. I'll NEVER forget it. I hoping I can have him present at my 2015 KISS unboxing. I wish Greg was still with us to see MY Stern unboxing - something he would NEVER have dreamt "I" would do. I've been lucky enough to unbox a couple of his games, and he let me (and others) have the first game. It would have been fitting for him to have the first game on MY NIB KISS LE. That's what I would have insisted. He would have waved his arm and walked out for a smoke.
More Sterns in my collection ? You never know. At least I will have an LE in my showroom for people to play before i move it next to my Paragon and Fireball at home.
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Have all the LE"s that have been allocated to Australia Sold out ?
Sold out Thursday morning. But there could be a "Stern backflip".. #@#
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You forget one thing Nino. 50 games on an old ss may only last one game on a flip fest dmd. I know i can go through several games on embryon or si before having a lengthy game, but almost certain to get a good 5-10 minute game on a dmd I know the rules and setup.
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I have been tuning the wife ever since the rumor come out...
Was going to be my first NIB ...
Have been playing Kiss Music for the last week ...lol
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You forget one thing Nino. 50 games on an old ss may only last one game on a flip fest dmd. I know i can go through several games on embryon or si before having a lengthy game, but almost certain to get a good 5-10 minute game on a dmd I know the rules and setup.
Thats because they are easier to play.. extended ball time due to liberal post settings and flippers that are only marginally bigger than the ball... being a mainly EM player I find I can be on a ball for 5 minutes or more on a modern game and often just walk away due to boredom
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Still games available, bruce has them, zax will have them, joe will have them.
Please don't go overboard on the hype train, I am sure everyone who wants one of these things will get one.
Pinballs are not investments and anyone who thinks that this title is like a blue chip stock will be in for a rude surprise, at 12k there is only one way for a LE to go in this country......Down!
*%*
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You forget one thing Nino. 50 games on an old ss may only last one game on a flip fest dmd. I know i can go through several games on embryon or si before having a lengthy game, but almost certain to get a good 5-10 minute game on a dmd I know the rules and setup.
Thats because they are easier to play.. extended ball time due to liberal post settings and flippers that are only marginally bigger than the ball... being a mainly EM player I find I can be on a ball for 5 minutes or more on a modern game and often just walk away due to boredom
Agreed, get rid of the wank factor and it has no soul.
But then again, the wank factor is what makes them fun, fun, fun.
I still play my surf champ more than any other machine, untill big juicy comes! No pun intended!
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Still games available, bruce has them, zax will have them, joe will have them.
Please don't go overboard on the hype train, I am sure everyone who wants one of these things will get one.
Pinballs are not investments and anyone who thinks that this title is like a blue chip stock will be in for a rude surprise, at 12k there is only one way for a LE to go in this country......Down!
*%*
Have to respectfully disagree with a few points.
Anyone who purchased a ACDC LE who wanted to sell it today would make a profit easily.
The same will happen with Kiss LE. It may not happen overnight but like ACDC, it certainly was a profitable machine right at the start when people who wanted them n missed out and were prepared to pay more so original buyers of ACDC LE could easily make profit. Anyone selling a ACDE Back in Black LE or the LTBR LE can make a profit on resale right now. Some LE machines do rise in value strongly. Time takes care of all issues in pinball.
If you overpay for any pinball in this hobby, you won't make your money back. If u over invest in any pinball with glam mods or restoration work that you pay someone else for you are likely to lose a little or break even. But if it's your Grail machine and u spend shitliads on it, you bought it to keep so profit won't be a priority. However, people always pay top dollar for beautifully restored machines and those machines become highly sought after. Nino being booked up for years is an example. You will always get your money back IMO on a machine from APR or El Timbo because they are the best of the best in the world. Finish is amazing.
Also, every machine I purchased over the last 7 years, if I was to sell now I would at LEAST double my money.
Many people buy a machine off Ebay one week for $1500 , clean the machine right up, re do bulbs n rubbers n quick paint of the legs etc, and then put it up for sale a week or two later at $2500, looking to get a quick $1,000 deposit.
If that's not a profit like trading in gold or diamonds I don't know what is.
Kiss machines, all models, Pro or Premium or LE or mystery 4 th release etc, will all rise in value, and be very profitable , the very second Stern stop making Kiss machines on the Stern line in a year or three,s time when the licence runs out.
Also, the people who are buying Kiss can hype themselves up or others as much as they want to. I say if people are hyped up , that's their choice. Life is about fun and who is to say anyone should be told not to enjoy their hype.
It's their party and their right to enjoy it.
Kiss pinball , like ACDC, will do wonders for this hobby and pinball industry.
There are a lot of people and Australian companies who have heavily invested in pinball and they are making a very comfortable living/profit out of it. I think the industry in Australia will only go one way, upwards.
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Still games available, bruce has them, zax will have them, joe will have them.
Please don't go overboard on the hype train, I am sure everyone who wants one of these things will get one.
Pinballs are not investments and anyone who thinks that this title is like a blue chip stock will be in for a rude surprise, at 12k there is only one way for a LE to go in this country......Down!
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Have to respectfully disagree with a few points.
Anyone who purchased a ACDC LE who wanted to sell it today would make a profit easily.
The same will happen with Kiss LE. It may not happen overnight but like ACDC, it certainly was a profitable machine right at the start when people who wanted them n missed out and were prepared to pay more so original buyers of ACDC LE could easily make profit. Anyone selling a ACDE Back in Black LE or the LTBR LE can make a profit on resale right now. Some LE machines do rise in value strongly. Time takes care of all issues in pinball.
If you overpay for any pinball in this hobby, you won't make your money back. If u over invest in any pinball with glam mods or restoration work that you pay someone else for you are likely to lose a little or break even. But if it's your Grail machine and u spend shitliads on it, you bought it to keep so profit won't be a priority. However, people always pay top dollar for beautifully restored machines and those machines become highly sought after. Nino being booked up for years is an example. You will always get your money back IMO on a machine from APR or El Timbo because they are the best of the best in the world. Finish is amazing.
Also, every machine I purchased over the last 7 years, if I was to sell now I would at LEAST double my money.
Many people buy a machine off Ebay one week for $1500 , clean the machine right up, re do bulbs n rubbers n quick paint of the legs etc, and then put it up for sale a week or two later at $2500, looking to get a quick $1,000 deposit.
If that's not a profit like trading in gold or diamonds I don't know what is.
Kiss machines, all models, Pro or Premium or LE or mystery 4 th release etc, will all rise in value, and be very profitable , the very second Stern stop making Kiss machines on the Stern line in a year or three,s time when the licence runs out.
Also, the people who are buying Kiss can hype themselves up or others as much as they want to. I say if people are hyped up , that's their choice. Life is about fun and who is to say anyone should be told not to enjoy their hype.
It's their party and their right to enjoy it.
Kiss pinball , like ACDC, will do wonders for this hobby and pinball industry.
There are a lot of people and Australian companies who have heavily invested in pinball and they are making a very comfortable living/profit out of it. I think the industry in Australia will only go one way, upwards.
BS, that is the biggest load of nonsense I have ever heard. No Sterns sell at a profit 2nd hand with the possible exception of Tron LE from time to time when people are silly enough to pay the $$ asked by sellers.
ACDC does not sell for a profit today 2nd hand in either LE, Prem or Pro and nor should it.
Enough of the crazy talk.
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We will agree to disagree. I have witnessed many times the opposite to your opinion.
It's only a discussion, not an argument. Lol
Back to KISS.
Still waiting to see some great KISS topper ideas.
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Have all the LE"s that have been allocated to Australia Sold out ?
Sold out Thursday morning. But there could be a "Stern backflip".. #@#
No. They weren't sold out as of Thursday. Anyone who still wants one would want to get on the phone first thing Monday. Might just get one of the last few.
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Have all the LE"s that have been allocated to Australia Sold out ?
Sold out Thursday morning. But there could be a "Stern backflip".. #@#
No. They weren't sold out as of Thursday. Anyone who still wants one would want to get on the phone first thing Monday. Might just get one of the last few.
Yes they were. Was told directly by the distributor I purchased my LE from. Confirmed by Bruce Friday morning.
Another LE buyer could not buy a second game from AMD. Sold Out.
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Was told Friday morning at 8.30am that all were gone with a list of people on standby
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Does anyone think that the production number of KISS LE was amazingly "far too small" IF the LE numbers sold completely out in Australia (and probably EVERY country worldwide) in only a matter of days of the official announcement ? !@#
I expected exactly that would probably happen but since this title was last created back in 1978, some 37 years ago, I think the financial board of Stern should have released double the LE numbers or triple the numbers, and they still would have SOLD.
I will give you an example, let's say you are a Stern collector, have multiple BNIB purchases under your belt, you are a KISS fan and you were looking forward to this pinball, given it was a rumour only (for a very long time that Stern would produce it) but only made official with NO warning at all, and then it was SOLD OUT before you could scratch Ya bum, some collectors are going to be pissed off (probably 600 happy LE buyers but probably equal that or more) people who feel they have missed out ! (I am not one cause I like the Pro models and sometimes the Premium etc).
QUESTION ? !@#
Who wants to speculate that Stern might encounter a massive amount of pressure to do another Limited LE run to keep KISS Army or the band or Stern LE buyers who missed out, happy ?
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Will it just be tough luck and buy a Premium or a Pro ?
And then, how many people hold off buying the Prem or Pro hoping for another LE run or will it just not happen (and if it did, it would be a good 12 or 24 months down the track IF at all) ?
I was just thinking how happy Nino is that he scored a LE (but just for arguments sake) imagine IF u missed out on the LE you have been waiting 37 years for since 1978, how pissed would you be as a huge Kiss fan and pinball fan....
Is making more LE models of Kiss a good thing or a bad thing given a lot of people missed out and the window of opportunity opened and closed within only a few days......
Either way, been looking at the photos again, I like the cabinet art heaps but am unsure yet of the translite/backglass art. Seems very close to the 1978 machine (good or bad thing ?) ....Won't stop me buying, but makes me want to see the machine in person even more. I think the Stern guys worldwide are going to have worn out carpet from so many people going in to see these models in person).
What are other forums saying about the LE numbers being so small and about those who missed out ? (I don't read the other forums, I like the layout of this forum SO much better).
News on the Pinny seems to have slowed right down on here ? !@#
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I was definitely shocked at the low numbers, especially for this title as you said, Cavey.
Stern have always looked after their LE customers and an LE is always limited. No re-runs on an LE after the final number has been set....the only catch with this one is that Stern didn't actually give a number (from what I have read?) on the actual limit to LEs in these early days of the KISS announcement. I wouldn't be surprised if they did release another batch, but we'll see.
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I have LE No.13 ordered and confirmed.
Honestly I am waiting for the next Stern announcement that there will be another run/LE type (GS/PS) edition etc. Would not be surprised at all. I suppose time will tell.
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I was originally thinking there would be more LE's compared to previous Stern releases.
1000 was my guess, for no other reason than it has a nice ring to it and it is a long awaited popular theme for many.
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The only possibility that will allow stern to increase their LE numbers, is if the 600 LEs have never been officially stated anywhere. If its just word of mouth, as it seems, then i'd say it would extend to 1000.
If the numbers aren't extended, its probably not to bad for KISS fans. People who are KISS fans, but not pinball fans, would likely be happy with a Pro or Premium. I'd say only those who are KISS and pinball fans would be disappointed in missing out on a LE. Premium is a good second best, especially if it save the non pinball fans $A1.5k.
News would have gone quite as its been the USA weekend - nobody at work at stern. I'd say a video of the gameplay will come out late this week. After the complaints about the WNBJM 'handheld mobile phone' video released by Stern, I'd say the KISS one will be done professionally. There will be a lot of KISS fans looking at it, that are not pinball fans. It will need to not 'loose' them.
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The only disappointing thing about the KISS quick release is that it would have killed off purchases of WWE Wrestlemania. I don't believe there are any WWEs in the wild in my home town of Melbourne, and I expect that I'll never get to play one. I was looking forward to trying out the ring. I thought that would be a game that would have done well on location with non pinball fans. KISS will do even better on location (and at home!).
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The only possibility that will allow stern to increase their LE numbers, is if the 600 LEs have never been officially stated anywhere. If its just word of mouth, as it seems, then i'd say it would extend to 1000.
If the numbers aren't extended, its probably not to bad for KISS fans. People who are KISS fans, but not pinball fans, would likely be happy with a Pro or Premium. I'd say only those who are KISS and pinball fans would be disappointed in missing out on a LE. Premium is a good second best, especially if it save the non pinball fans $A1.5k.
News would have gone quite as its been the USA weekend - nobody at work at stern. I'd say a video of the gameplay will come out late this week. After the complaints about the WNBJM 'handheld mobile phone' video released by Stern, I'd say the KISS one will be done professionally. There will be a lot of KISS fans looking at it, that are not pinball fans. It will need to not 'loose' them.
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The only disappointing thing about the KISS quick release is that it would have killed off purchases of WWE Wrestlemania. I don't believe there are any WWEs in the wild in my home town of Melbourne, and I expect that I'll never get to play one. I was looking forward to trying out the ring. I thought that would be a game that would have done well on location with non pinball fans. KISS will do even better on location (and at home!).
I guess the whole thing with an LE is the fact that its 'limited'.
Well done to those who purchased early!
Like with ACDC, I reckon Stern will most likely release some form of premium+ model. Perhaps a little later with bugs ironed out and no doubt some feedback from collectors.
I'm imagine most if not all the LE's and premiums will be going into homes. Its hard to tell from the photos thus far whether the LE was designed first, then the PRO or vice versa.
I hope for the collectors it was initially designed around the LE/Premium.
Probably a good time to pick up a deal on a Mustang or Wrestlemania if you were keen!
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This time around Stern stated there will be a premium model right from the get go unlike TWD where they only bought in the premium after watching LE sales so I'd say 600 LE's might be it. I was surprised there wasn't more LE's even Star Trek had 799 LE's.
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...I'd say 600 LE's might be it. I was surprised there wasn't more LE's even Star Trek had 799 LE's.
Um? Perhaps Stern are thinking that it would create a lot of attention in the media if they could claim to have sold out all LEs in a week. The extra attention would boost sales of the Premium.
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ac/dc only had 500 LE’s - in all my years of collecting LE’s i’ve never seen stern up the number
1000 or in jjp case 3000 LE’s is not a LE but more like a joke
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ac/dc only had 500 LE’s - in all my years of collecting LE’s i’ve never seen stern up the number
1000 or in jjp case 3000 LE’s is not a LE but more like a joke
3000 LE's that is a massive joke lol 600-700 sounds about right hey :)
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ac/dc only had 500 LE’s - in all my years of collecting LE’s i’ve never seen stern up the number
1000 or in jjp case 3000 LE’s is not a LE but more like a joke
3000 LE's that is a massive joke lol 600-700 sounds about right hey :)
600/700 in not bad , my idea of a true LE
stones only 350
tron only 400
AC/DC 200 of ltbr and 300 bib
avatar only 250
transformers 125 of each autobot and deception
600 for kiss is pretty good...
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Some excellent posts from all members. Great when everyone joins in.
One thing I wanted to pass on. I have always been told by Stern USA from both Steve R and Johnny Borg that they do design the Pro as the base model first. They set the foundations for a great game and lock that in. After the games overall flow and shot map is excellent, they then increase or add features to a second white wood to make the Premium/LE game after modifying some ramps or ball paths and add some features etc.
It's not design the LE and then take stuff away I have been told repeatedly by Stern. It's like a car, u build a great base model, then work on adding stuff to get the Sport or Luxury version.
It was described to me as building a three tier/level building. We build the base storey first on very solid foundations then we then build up. It's the only way to properly add or move things slightly, cause even the LE model retains 90 percent of the Pro Playfield and its features.
This is why the Pro model is always so good, cause it's a great player. The Prem or LE gets an extra 10 to 20 percent of new or modified features plus the eye candy stuff.
The Pro is programmed to be wild n fast n to suck down coins with shorter ball times (more challenging) wheteas the Prem or LE get a slight mellowing only sometimes but are programmed for longer ball times for home usage.
I buy the Pro cause it's always raw n fast and hard and bloody fun. Either model u will be happy with these days.
I reckon more LE models are to come . Maybe another 300 or 600 on top of the apparent 600 LE already sold.
It makes sense for Stern and for the buyers. The market with Kiss is massive so having it a 900 or 1200 total after increase would be wise.
Regarding WWE Pin, I don't think any hardcore Wrestling fans are going to like Kiss more than wrestling cause people who like Wrestling are fanatical fans like VIC people are about AFL .
Same goes with Fast n Furious Pinball when/if released by Steve Ritchie, hardcore car fans will chose cars of wrestling or Kiss probably. Most people are fanatical about one sport or passion. Only some of us are crazy enough to love cars, pinball, bands, Star Trek and ten other things all at once.
With Sterns new factory, more pinball lines will mean more shorter or longer runs, more Vault editions, and more scope to run titles longer so you don't miss out of say u wanted a TWDead Pinny then wanted the Kiss title straight after it.
Longer production runs will be better for all if it gives more choice and more options to purchase the title you really want without short production time killing it.
Go Stern. Even Nino is hyped up and ready for that Stern factory tour and to meet the designers n shake Gary Sterns hand. We might even drag Gav along n make it a Party ! Lol ^^^
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As stated on another forum not by me all LE's are sold out and Bruce is trying to secure another 19
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As stated on another forum not by me all LE's are sold out and Bruce is trying to secure another 19
As of last Thursday (our time), they were hoping for more. I'm told the nod must come from KISS themselves (should have happened over the weekend) - which will happen as it is more $ for Mr Simmons and Stanley.
It is not just Aussie distributors asking for more LEs #@#
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At what point are LEs no longer LEs? Could a Premium possibly be rarer than a LE?
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At what point are LEs no longer LEs? Could a Premium possibly be rarer than a LE?
Under 100 in Australia and 600-700 worldwide still an LE to me :) although JJP had 3000 LE's didn't he lol
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Yes titles like ACDC Luci and TWDead Premium are very low in numbers and will be highly keepable and sought after by those want one but didn't get in before production stopped or will stop with TWDead Prem.
So many cool choices we are spoilt. Go Stern.
I am starting to feel for JJP and team. They can't catch a break and are being steam rolled by the Stern train.
Just hope Jack doesn't lose $ for all his huge efforts.
He now needs a killer title to get much much more orders.
JJP should have got Star Wars or Fast n Furious or something like Alien.
Jack is very conservative but. Spitting blood and fire etc, would Gene Simmons make it to the JJP Sunday family lunch....
Every company now needs to go balls n all out to win our $.
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KISS LE Numbers
As of last Thursday (our time), they were hoping for more. I'm told the nod must come from KISS themselves (should have happened over the weekend) - which will happen as it is more $ for Mr Simmons and Stanley.
It is not just Aussie distributors asking for more LEs #@#
The money KISS make from this is a drop in the ocean for them. Their motivation to 'allow Stern to officialy announce the number of LEs' to be greater than 600 would not be about money. The motivation would be that they would be allowing the LE numbers to confirm their huge popularity. Who wouldn't want to say: "Normal LEs are numbered at about 500 or less, but for us the demand was so high that we had 1,000 LEs".
JJP
I am starting to feel for JJP and team. They can't catch a break and are being steam rolled by the Stern train.
Just hope Jack doesn't lose $ for all his huge efforts.
He now needs a killer title to get much much more orders.
JJP should have got Star Wars or Fast n Furious or something like Alien.
Jack is very conservative but. Spitting blood and fire etc, would Gene Simmons make it to the JJP Sunday family lunch....
Every company now needs to go balls n all out to win our $.
No pity there. During the lead up to WOZ, I heard many seminars and interviews. So much rubbish was coming out of JJP. I had only just got into pinball then. Its where I started loose respect for JJP, and started liking Gary Stern's professionalism. Most of the new budding new manufactures have been good in focusing on themselves and not sledging others, but Stern did really well to not get drawn into the JJP sledging that was direct at Stern.
I find it ironic that JJP say they would not drop their standards and do something like TWD as its not family friendly. Laughable after years of sledging other companies. JJP had to find out the hard way that "building pinball is not easy" Nate Shivers.
Go KISS and Go Thunderbirds!
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To be blunt, any company who puts its weight behind a pin based around a girl who clicks her heels & has some whacky friends deserves to be under pressure. I'm sorry but it's just f'n stupid.
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speaking of whacky friends, see posts above
!@#
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To be blunt, any company who puts its weight behind a pin based around a girl who clicks her heels & has some whacky friends deserves to be under pressure. I'm sorry but it's just f'n stupid.
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Re JJP
They fail because it is on game every two and a half years
Re KISS Le's
I doubt that a numbered plaque will make the gameany more ffun tto play
Kiss fans can still buy the premium modle and still rockj out to their favorite music
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Update about Kiss Pinball
"Today, and suddenly, nothing new happened" lol
Maybe tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow.......more new news tomorrow !
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final art for Pro Translite
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Nice work. Gene & Paul have done a good job of minimising Ace *%*
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Bruce at AMD secured another 19 LE's and there's only two left.
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Bruce at AMD secured another 19 LE's and there's only two left.
I'd say they are all gone again. Recent posting on Facebook from AMD states all LEs sold out. Timing would suggest that include the 19 extras. They may have gone immediately on people on waiting lists.
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Bruce at AMD secured another 19 LE's and there's only two left.
I'd say they are all gone again. Recent posting on Facebook from AMD states all LEs sold out. Timing would suggest that include the 19 extras. They may have gone immediately on people on waiting lists.
I'd agree with that.
I received the mailout from AMD today (with the formal announcement of the machine) with LE's SOLD OUT.
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Okay, so who's going to be 1st to call "best pin ever"?
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Bruce at AMD secured another 19 LE's and there's only two left.
I'd say they are all gone again. Recent posting on Facebook from AMD states all LEs sold out. Timing would suggest that include the 19 extras. They may have gone immediately on people on waiting lists.
I'd agree with that.
I received the mailout from AMD today (with the formal announcement of the machine) with LE's SOLD OUT.
I figured as I was typing it they'd be sold :)
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Great news on the LE sold out, BTW anyone commit to a pro or prem version
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Will committ to the PRO model for sure ! ^^^
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Cave, the Pro colour is off - treat yrself to a Premium! Although with demand for the LE red-hot maybe it wld be smart to grab an LE from the States - http://m.ebay.com/itm/121643625113?nav=SEARCH. These pins will never see the 2nd hand market, imagine how you will feel if u don't have the most collectible, & possibly the best, Stern pin EVER manufactured!!
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Pro is US$5500 inc shipping... good pricing across the water
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Yeah, some think we get reamed by the weak $Aud - but the truth is Gary Stern gets us mixed up with Austria & blames us for those damn Hitler videos - so he whacks a few more $thou on to give us the finger.
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does anyone know date of first Kiss stuff arriving into Australia ?
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If you can find a current Pro at $5500 USA given our 80 cents trading figure compared to the USA $.
5500 adds 1100 with dollar difference is now $6600 Aust
Now add 10 percent gst to Aust is $6600 plus $660 is $7240 Aust
Then add import duties n customs to Australia and u are going to get high 7,s to just under 8 grand Aussie for a BNIB Pro.
Sounds roughly right using some quick calculations in my head.
Negotiate delivery n shaker and u are a happy camper.
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does anyone know date of first Kiss stuff arriving into Australia ?
Quote from AMD today (http://www.amdcoinop.com/so/7KrGlFbb#/main (http://www.amdcoinop.com/so/7KrGlFbb#/main)):
PRICING including GST and Availability
KISS LIMITED EDITION - SOLD OUT!
KISS PREMIUM EDITION - $9950.00 - Mid September 2015
KISS PRO MODEL - $7950.00 - End June 2015
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Will committ to the PRO model for sure ! ^^^
Good stuff ^^^
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The extra LEs for Australia were existing games from Stern. These were quickly snapped up by eager buyers in the "standby queue".
Whispers are now getting louder. I was told they want to increase the KISS LE to at least 700 unit and possibly 1000 units. That could translate to even more LEs to Australia. There's also a push for orange trim on the LE. I'd much prefer it our the red, but it is something I can do later on.
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If you can find a currency Pro at $5500 USA given our 80 cents trading figure compared to the USA $.
5500 adds 1100 with dollar difference is now $6600 Aust
Now add 10 percent gst to Aust is $6600 plus $660 is $7240 Aust
Then add import duties n customs to Australia and u are going to get high 7,s to just under 8 grand Aussie for a BNIB Pro.
Sounds roughly right using some quick calculations in my head.
Negotiate delivery n shaker and u are a happy camper.
So, dealers pay the retail price?
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Plus that US retail price would include their sales tax etc. which would unlikely be on exports as is the case with our g.s.t..
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there was another thread in March about price back in March
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13571.15
and the dollar has improved fractionally,just look at the WNBJM Stern dropped the price MRRP by $1000 as it copped a bit of heat so there is room to move. Dealers get the machines at a much better price than the MRRP.
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Interesting post from Pinside:
"Dear Ladies & GentlemenThe logo used on KISS products sold in Germany is slightly modified from the logo used in the rest of the world. The S’s are different. Our German distributor KMS and its customers should be familiar with the different KISS logo. Use of the modified logo is required by KISS and, KISS tells us, by German law. The 1979 Bally KISS pinball used the modified KISS logo on German games.We will comply with KISS’s requirement. The Pro, Premium and Limited Edition KISS games we sell to Germany will have the German version KISS logo. We will sell those games to KMS. To avoid confusion, we will not include German games as part of the 600 KISS LE games we are making. We will make 60 German KISS LE, having its own series of numbers."
For your information : the "ss" as normally used by Kiss was used by the Nazis and its striktly forbidden in Germany nowadays.
The older Bally Kiss Backglasses were also different, but this time it seems the artwork on the playfield also . ( the only reason i could think of why there are 60 extra LEs )
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and the dollar has improved fractionally,just look at the WNBJM Stern dropped the price MRRP by $1000 as it copped a bit of heat so there is room to move. Dealers get the machines at a much better price than the MRRP.
Swinksy, the STERN website still says $6499 MRRP, where is this info from mate as I would REALLY like to know. *%*
For obvious reasons!
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and the dollar has improved fractionally,just look at the WNBJM Stern dropped the price MRRP by $1000 as it copped a bit of heat so there is room to move. Dealers get the machines at a much better price than the MRRP.
Swinksy, the STERN website still says $6499 MRRP, where is this info from mate as I would REALLY like to know. *%*
For obvious reasons!
it was mentioned on one of the podcasts and on pinside
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If you can find a current Pro at $5500 USA given our 80 cents trading figure compared to the USA $.
5500 adds 1100 with dollar difference is now $6600 Aust
Now add 10 percent gst to Aust is $6600 plus $660 is $7240 Aust
Then add import duties n customs to Australia and u are going to get high 7,s to just under 8 grand Aussie for a BNIB Pro.
Sounds roughly right using some quick calculations in my head.
Negotiate delivery n shaker and u are a happy camper.
5k 2nd hand on the pro no problems.
8k for a NIB pro is highway robbery or in this case stern/ amd robbery.
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The extra LEs for Australia were existing games from Stern. These were quickly snapped up by eager buyers in the "standby queue".
Whispers are now getting louder. I was told they want to increase the KISS LE to at least 700 unit and possibly 1000 units. That could translate to even more LEs to Australia. There's also a push for orange trim on the LE. I'd much prefer it our the red, but it is something I can do later on.
I always thought this would be the case & I think it is unethical & misleading. Part of buying an LE is exactly that - it's limited. If Stern wanted to look after it's customers it would state the LE figure up front - capped, done & dusted. Each & every additional LE eats into the future value of the LEs already purchased. The orange trim is welcome - while stunning in many respects the overlll colour design is not what it could be on the LE - either the cab art needs more red or the trim needs to be orange. And the backbox needs to be tied in better - colour trim on this would work a treat.
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If you can find a currency Pro at $5500 USA given our 80 cents trading figure compared to the USA $.
5500 adds 1100 with dollar difference is now $6600 Aust
Now add 10 percent gst to Aust is $6600 plus $660 is $7240 Aust
Then add import duties n customs to Australia and u are going to get high 7,s to just under 8 grand Aussie for a BNIB Pro.
Sounds roughly right using some quick calculations in my head.
Negotiate delivery n shaker and u are a happy camper.
So, dealers pay the retail price?
Here's one roughly calculated alternative: Dealer cost US $3,250. Add shipping US $350 = US $3,600. Add customs & GST = US $4,140. In $Aud terms this is $5,175 into the country. Sell Price $7,950 (incl. additional GST approx $200). In this one example markup exceeds $2,600 from which the distrib. then needs to deduct local expenses to determine profit.
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If you can find a currency Pro at $5500 USA given our 80 cents trading figure compared to the USA $.
5500 adds 1100 with dollar difference is now $6600 Aust
Now add 10 percent gst to Aust is $6600 plus $660 is $7240 Aust
Then add import duties n customs to Australia and u are going to get high 7,s to just under 8 grand Aussie for a BNIB Pro.
Sounds roughly right using some quick calculations in my head.
Negotiate delivery n shaker and u are a happy camper.
So, dealers pay the retail price?
No. It's a retail to end consumer comparison using the $5500 USA buy price to the Aus consumer retail price.
Nothing to do with profit. Just end user buy prices.
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Cripes that's ugly - surely even for the fans??? Reminds me of Luna Park for some reason.
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I will ask a local freight forwarder I know, just for the exercise, what exactly would be involved today with all the red tape. Still won't stop me from buying from AMD in Sydney, but might be worth sharing with others who wonder what the 2015 red tape and costs $ are these days.
Airfreight and Seafreight options have to be explored at the same time.
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Cripes that's ugly - surely even for the fans??? Reminds me of Luna Park for some reason.
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we should see a difference in the Stern's Facebook as a Pinsider that likes to go to pin shows and report on them is now working for Stern and in charge of the facebook page - hopefully encourages pin chat better than just a pure advertising approach as Jared is a pinhead.
Video in the next week, also Jared is the one who mocked up the burnt orange trim for the LE so maybe a change or option for LE owners.
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Cripes that's ugly - surely even for the fans??? Reminds me of Luna Park for some reason.
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Love it - hilarious :lol
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here is a good link for costs of importing:
http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page4368.asp#ImportEntryCosts
Australia has a free trade agreement with the US so if you clearly states on the invoice and possibly the box that the product is US made it gets rid of a Duty's Tax for Aussies
from what I understand from US to Aus over $1000 and from personal experience of importing my first pin (mid 2010) before knowing about pin forums etc - and being very naive. I am sure when guys bring in a container and have their owner freight forwarders there are costs to be saved. I got burnt big time and could not be bothered in the future. This is what I copped so maybe learn from my mistake.
Game and Freight
- cost of game
- cost of freight (sea for me)
- freight insurance (about $3.50 per $100) - optional
Aus Port
- Aus Port Charges (% based on the volume of the crate - mine was $115 cubic metre)
- Terminal Handling Charge (% based on the volume of the crate - mine was $28 cubic metre)
- Delivery Order Fee (set fee)
- Sea Cargo Compliance Fee (set fee)
- CMR Compliance Fee (set fee)
- Import Processing Fee (set fee)
- Handling Fee (set fee)
- Terminal Security Fee (set fee)
Aus Broker
- Duty, GST & Customs - variable based on the Aus value of machine and freight - which included a gambling tax (coin operated mech)
- Quarantine Charges
- Aqis CMR Compliance Fee (set fee of approx $28)
- ACS CMR compliance Fee (set fee of approx $28)
- Cartage LCL
- Fuel Surcharge on Cartage
- Quaratine Attendance
- Agency Attendance (set fee of approx $165)
hope that helps
This is gob-smacking. A good broker should be able to minimise or get rid of a large portion of these charges (some of which I believe to be fictitious). The Aus-US FTA is a bit misleading - it means sometimes there is preferential duty but usually not zero duty. There are ways around duty but some aren't exactly legal.
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If you have a close look under Gene's chin, you can see a black disk.
Earlier in this thread, there was talk of "spinning disks" under Gene. It is looking like this is a Tron pinball disks feature. If so, there will be a smaller spinning disk inside the outer disk, just visible in this photo. The way that feature would work is it will randomly through the ball about under Gene's head, and it will either be thrown to the back where the captured ball hole is, or it will be thrown back out at a random time, direction and speed.
It's a pity that the Gene's head gets in the way of being able to see the ball being thrown about - it was great watching that action on Tron (more so as the player rather than spectator). I'm wondering if during the concept design phase the cape extending Gene's head may have been intended to be a hinge that would lift Gene's head when the disks are spinning. A lifting Gene head is not a listed feature, and it couldn't work as Gene's tongue would hit the wire ramp, if lifted.
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They could have used a retractable tongue.
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If you have a close look under Gene's chin, you can see a black disk.
Earlier in this thread, there was talk of "spinning disks" under Gene. It is looking like this is a Tron pinball disks feature. If so, there will be a smaller spinning disk inside the outer disk, just visible in this photo. The way that feature would work is it will randomly through the ball about under Gene's head, and it will either be thrown to the back where the captured ball hole is, or it will be thrown back out at a random time, direction and speed.
It's a pity that the Gene's head gets in the way of being able to see the ball being thrown about - it was great watching that action on Tron (more so as the player rather than spectator). I'm wondering if during the concept design phase the cape extending Gene's head may have been intended to be a hinge that would lift Gene's head when the disks are spinning. A lifting Gene head is not a listed feature, and it couldn't work as Gene's tongue would hit the wire ramp, if lifted.
Actually the disc on Tron is just one disc , not 2 . It has 2 adhesive rubber rings stuck to it with different diameters which makes the ball spin randomly . The disc under Gene's head looks like it will be some sort of multiball lock ( hence the Lite Lock inserts / standup targets each side of the entrance ) . There is probably a post just before the disc to trap the balls in there just like the Centrifuge lock on CSI . How the balls come out of his mouth I don't know , but possibly the disc lifts up out of the playfield to inside his head which then releases them through his mouth which would require a magnet in the centre of the disc ( like on Twister , X-Men etc. ) .
Can't believe Stern went with the red trim on the LE . It just looks so damn wrong . The mock-up picture with the orange looks 1000 times better . Guess they had a lot of red trim left over from previous releases so decide to use it up .
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I think the head will pivot & possibly lower to spit out a "fireball" - dropping a ball from that height onto the playfield would cause havoc. Bet Gene made sure balls were coming out rather than going into his mouth.
Oh & hallelujah re the orange. Stern needs to engage a colour consultant earlier in the process - to make the LE the most "clashing" is bad 4 business. Hopefully they'll recall any red trim models - but hey we're talking about it so not all bad.
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... but possibly the disc lifts up out of the playfield to inside his head which then releases them through his mouth which would require a magnet in the centre of the disc ( like on Twister , X-Men etc. ) ...
There is a hole located back behind the spinning disk, and out of sight (I don't recall where I saw that drawing). The lock seems to work by getting the ball past the spinning disk and into the hole at the back. I would guess that from that rear hole the ball is either returned 'under the playfield' or locked to be eventually shot up into the back of Gene's head. The cape behind Gene's head would conceal the ball being shot out of the hole and into the back of Gene's head, exiting from the month.
Regarding the Tron disk/disks, I think you will find that the two rubber stickers are each placed on two disks (a circle spinning one way, within an outer ring spinning the opposite way). The reason you see the two red light circles on Tron, is that one red light is coming out of the gap between the inner circle and the outer ring, and the other red light is coming out from the out edge of the outer ring. Does anyone have a Tron to confirm it has one or two spinning disks?
Regarding KISS, I just checked the KISS Feature Matrix from Stern does refer to the "spinning disk" - so it must be one disk. I don't know where I got the earlier reference to "spinning disks".
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Kiss game play video coming up within a week:
Stern: "Follow @sternpinball on Instagram for exclusive photos! #SternPinball #Kiss #Pro #PinballMachine gameplay video coming next week! "
Quoted from Stern's Facebook page four hours ago:
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/a.386178974243.167508.136972659243/10153278399739244/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/a.386178974243.167508.136972659243/10153278399739244/?type=1&theater)
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The off topic discussion on "customs charges" has been split off to here - http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13785.0 (http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13785.0)
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The off topic discussion on "customs charges" has been split off to here - http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13785.0 (http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13785.0)
Great news a really good thread was starting to lose its way-lets keep on track ^^^
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As per stern Facebook page
Paul Stanley figurine toy is animated on premium and le versions and he dances.
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Regarding the Tron disk/disks, I think you will find that the two rubber stickers are each placed on two disks (a circle spinning one way, within an outer ring spinning the opposite way). The reason you see the two red light circles on Tron, is that one red light is coming out of the gap between the inner circle and the outer ring, and the other red light is coming out from the out edge of the outer ring. Does anyone have a Tron to confirm it has one or two spinning disks?
Yes I do in my games room actually .. ^^^
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As per stern Facebook page
Paul Stanley figurine toy is animated on premium and le versions and he dances.
Yes a very cool toy :) and the ball runs along the back board via a magnet :)
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I'm calling it - the head as we know is used for multiball on le & prem - but Stern won't let a ball drop from that height onto such a visible piece of playfield (surely). What will happen is when multiball is triggered the head lowers/tilts fwd to shoot balls. New Stern owners have mylar over cliffy over mylar - & that's just for the outlanes. If this doesn't lower there'll be panic in the market *%*
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The picture above ( originally posted by Gorgar ) shows what looks to be a scoop exit inside Gene's mouth . Doesn't look like the head can lower because of the stand-up targets and rails around the spinning disc . I don't think it'd be able to tilt forward either as his head would hit on that wireform ramp . It looks as though the set-up is for Gene's head to stay as-is and the balls do indeed exit his mouth down onto the playfield . Two problems with this could be :
- Dents in the playfield from repeated ball drops from a height .
- Tongues breaking .
I guess time will tell .
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Well, if you are right then someone should be working on a protector now - Swinks quick, to the bat drawing board...
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Regarding the Tron disk/disks, I think you will find that the two rubber stickers are each placed on two disks (a circle spinning one way, within an outer ring spinning the opposite way). The reason you see the two red light circles on Tron, is that one red light is coming out of the gap between the inner circle and the outer ring, and the other red light is coming out from the out edge of the outer ring. Does anyone have a Tron to confirm it has one or two spinning disks?
Yes I do in my games room actually .. ^^^
Have a look at the picture below to so see what is under Gene. There is a narrowing space beyond the spinning disk. I think is a ball capture hole is at the end of it for the locked ball.
Thinking of whether Gene's head lowers, yes it does look as if it may rotate forwards to lower the tongue. Looking at it now, the head does seem elongated back. That may be to avoid the head hitting the rails when it is rotated forward on ball launch. Have a look at a top view - I don't think it will hit the rail.
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Heading off topic, but have you had a close look under the playfield of your Tron to see if it is one or two disks in Tron? You got me curious - I may have been misleading people the last few years on how the mechanism worked. It's a great yet simple feature. However it worked, I hope it makes a return with KISS.
Great choice in games with Tron. I've played it overseas - it's one of my favourites. I'm amazed that there aren't many on location; there are none in Melbourne. That game made a killing on location in the USA - it was the start of the pinball resurgence.
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On my Godzilla machine, the balls fly out of the Godzilla head from a decent height and at speed.
It's never caused a dimple or hassle on the Playfield ever and the flying balls happen a lot.
The game is a Sega 1998/1999 title in great condition so I don't see the balls coming out of the KISS machine being a issue at all. The Stern playfields are pretty tuff. Just like the cannon launched balls on ACDC titles, haven't seen any hassles on my ACDC machine or anyone else's ACDC machine either.
Change the balls before pitting or rust sets in and I think like the Godzilla machine, 16 years later, not a hassle to be seen.
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Never heard of Godzilla but AC/DC is a massively different design - cannon shots normally hit some piece of plastic/metal rather than drop straight from height to the playfield - plus they are scattered. This is why I believe the Gene head will lower/tilt (unless it can rotate/ scatter balls - but I can't see this is possible given its placement). This will be the exciting reveal in the game play video - we'll see Gene's tongue lower to p/f level & the balls rolling straight along his tongue onto the playfield (rather than a drop). Just my guess & what I'd do rather than risk a high-wear area on a highly-visible p/f area.
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Yep definitely one disc on Tron . I remember from when I had mine stripped down to a bare playfield for a clean .
Be interesting to see how that whole disc/head set-up works on Kiss .
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Yep definitely one disc on Tron . I remember from when I had mine stripped down to a bare playfield for a clean .
Be interesting to see how that whole disc/head set-up works on Kiss .
I surprised to see that it achieves the affect that it does. But I'd say that Borg would be using the same thing on KISS. It makes sense in the location they have the disk on KISS. Given I've had so little plays on Tron due to its lack of availability here, I'm looking forward to experience that mechanism a lot more on KISS that will be on location everywhere.
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Yep definitely one disc on Tron . I remember from when I had mine stripped down to a bare playfield for a clean .
I surprised to see that it achieves the affect that it does. But I'd say that Borg would be using the same thing on KISS. It makes sense in the location they have the disk on KISS. Given I've had so little plays on Tron due to its lack of availability here, I'm looking forward to experience that mechanism a lot more on KISS that will be on location everywhere.
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Yep definitely one disc on Tron . I remember from when I had mine stripped down to a bare playfield for a clean .
Be interesting to see how that whole disc/head set-up works on Kiss .
I surprised to see that it achieves the affect that it does. But I'd say that Borg would be using the same thing on KISS. It makes sense in the location they have the disk on KISS. Given I've had so little plays on Tron due to its lack of availability here, I'm looking forward to experience that mechanism a lot more on KISS that will be on location everywhere.
Yep, have to say I'm actually excited to see how this works. Disk plus scoop??? Anyway, thx Swinks for today's shots - the cab may divide opinion but this p/f is awesome (has to be said, sorry if u disagree). Love the colour - modern Kiss certainly "pops". I sure hope BB is right - hope it's sited everywhere - I won't be buying but sure as hell will be giving it a good bashing & if it's a player will be getting plenty of my pocket money.
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Spinner on all 3 models :)
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
No sarcasm here, just a bit of rib tickling as levity is healthy (you've gotta admit you smiled - am I right?). Super enjoyable thread - as said very much looking fwd to the upcoming video of gameplay!
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
No sarcasm here, just a bit of rib tickling as levity is healthy (you've gotta admit you smiled - am I right?). Super enjoyable thread - as said very much looking fwd to the upcoming video of gameplay!
Yep fair call but our threads go to shit so easy sometimes.
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True.This pic has the spinner you've zoomed on new Kiss (sorry if duplicate of earlier pic). Are there others on this p/f? And any guess yet (at all) re how this might play? The right side is hard to tell until Gene toy action revealed - but plenty of shots. The left should be very good, like the 4 bumpers, drop targets etc. Overall I just feel it is going to blow previous Stern games out of the water (but I'm biased because I love a bit of open p/f).
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I would guess that the other side of the spinner has Gene's tounge on it, such that spinning it would give the illusion of the tounge appearing with the picture of the face.
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I would guess that the other side of the spinner has Gene's tounge on it, such that spinning it would give the illusion of the tounge appearing with the picture of the face.
I would have liked to see Ace on the other side and more of Ace on the Pinny everywhere.
The tounge on the other side was also a great idea.
I wonder if someone will do a replacement of the Gene Head and do a ACE or Paul or Peter version.
If I had my choice, an ACE head with a tounge would be cool but maybe a tattoo of a guitar on the tounge for Ace, drums for Peter, and a microphone or guitar on the tounge for Paul Stanley.
This machine will be a dream for aftermarket custom mods.
Still no talk or ideas for a KISS topper, but I was thinking a neon shaped exactly like the
KISS letters and a colour changing set of RGB Leds in it.
Bet someone adds a mini gas propane fire job to the headbox, push a button and a quick gas fire might appear. Done right it might look cool if done safely. Someone crazy will do it I am sure !
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
Gotta pull you up here mate. Just about every 2nd post in realtion to JJP or WoZ you lay the boot in about the company or the theme.
Its all good fun, just be respectful of each other and our opinions.
In my opinion Kiss looks sensational, hope it has a great ruleset.
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I think it may be a great player after seeing more of it, but then again it'll depend on what coding or lack of it comes out with. Hopefully kiss demand near complete coding but I doubt they will care. Once coding for any game is close to complete enables me to make a good appraisal of it.
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
Gotta pull you up here mate. Just about every 2nd post in realtion to JJP or WoZ you lay the boot in about the company or the theme.
Its all good fun, just be respectful of each other and our opinions.
In my opinion Kiss looks sensational, hope it has a great ruleset.
Just trying to keep thread on track and with myself saying this I'm doing what I didn't want to happen-now I'm not sooking up but I'm going to bow out here :) Before any video is released this looks pretty good and I hope everyone enjoys there games and I'm sure they will.
Peter.
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Pic of spinner on new Kiss wld be better. Btw Borg sent me a PM to discuss the red trim. I said don't worry too much, it's easily changed & powdercoat is cheap cheap.
Sarcasm? I gotta say if there's members who aren't interested in the theme for whatever reason please don't spoil this thread for others.
No sarcasm here, just a bit of rib tickling as levity is healthy (you've gotta admit you smiled - am I right?). Super enjoyable thread - as said very much looking fwd to the upcoming video of gameplay!
If you have communicated with John Borg from Stern USA and you are serious about it, then I would respectfully suggest that you only use his name in threads/posts if you really have communicated with him in writing and he has clearly said that his correspondence is for public consumption and not confidential.
I think it's a honour to deal with guys like John Borg who are both very busy and talented, yet so down to earth and giving of their time. A lot of the Stern guys closely follow our forum so make sure any posts saying anyone has communicated with a Stern staff member are genuine or u run the risk of having these great blokes not dealing with our forum members of they think someone is using their name unwisely.
Fine line between a joke and upsetting people who we can't afford to get offside.
Borgy is one of the nicest blokes on the planet and he will always reply to genuine correspondence.
Back to Kiss, I think the title is becoming more popular by the day. Borgy has done an outstanding job.
I think this game is going to be very special.
Good Lord you do carry on.
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I'd have to say that if "anyone" is in touch with Stern, then I'd LOVE the orange trim rather than the red for the LE. honestly, for the $ we are paying, they could throw in both ?
Ace's image is clear throughout the game, and KISS had A LOT to do with the artwork. Peter only looks like Peter on the side art and the pop bumper cap that bears the classic image. The translite and playfield look a lot more like Eric, but that does not spoil it for me. This game hinged on the the artwork - and using the original line up as the main focus was what had my wallet emptied. If Peter and Ace were not the main focus with Gene and Paul, I'd have passed. Stern were not stupid in the this case. Original line up = BIG Seller. Tribute band line up = massive flop.
Could it be possible that Stern did their homework and checked out the KISS merchandise that sells ? Always the original line up. Every show I've been to since the Reunion - T-Shirts are always gone before the show. Then the tribute line up started touring and the merchandise was mixed artwork from both eras. The original T-shirts sold well before the show, and there were always boxes of the tribute line up that no one was buying. Last show I went to, the original stuff was all gone and rather then buy the tribute T-Shirt, I bought the opening act's T-shirt (Motley Crue) and they are just about the worst live band I've seen (I've seen well over 50 international acts).
The more I see of the game, the more I count the sleeps..
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I'd have to say that if "anyone" is in touch with Stern, then I'd LOVE the orange trim rather than the red for the LE. honestly, for the $ we are paying, they could throw in both ?
Ace's image is clear throughout the game, and KISS had A LOT to do with the artwork. Peter only looks like Peter on the side art and the pop bumper cap that bears the classic image. The translite and playfield look a lot more like Eric, but that does not spoil it for me. This game hinged on the the artwork - and using the original line up as the main focus was what had my wallet emptied. If Peter and Ace were not the main focus with Gene and Paul, I'd have passed. Stern were not stupid in the this case. Original line up = BIG Seller. Tribute band line up = massive flop.
Could it be possible that Stern did their homework and checked out the KISS merchandise that sells ? Always the original line up. Every show I've been to since the Reunion - T-Shirts are always gone before the show. Then the tribute line up started touring and the merchandise was mixed artwork from both eras. The original T-shirts sold well before the show, and there were always boxes of the tribute line up that no one was buying. Last show I went to, the original stuff was all gone and rather then buy the tribute T-Shirt, I bought the opening act's T-shirt (Motley Crue) and they are just about the worst live band I've seen (I've seen well over 50 international acts).
The more I see of the game, the more I count the sleeps..
You would think KISS's starting position would have been to push the current band line up. I expect that Stern barged hard and offered to do the original band or nothing, noting the above reasons.
"The game is on the playfield". Good code or not, a good playfield can carry weak code. Good code cannot carry a weak playfield. KISS 2015 pinball is on fire!
(We shouldn't be calling it KISS 2015. This will be KISS 2015-2017.)
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@BB, it is ALL about the code
When I bought my Batman TDK, I set it up and had a game with the code it shipped with, it was a dud of a game
I updated the game with the newest code, and the game was playable
It took Stern another two years to get the software up to where it is now
I am sure that the sakes of KISS will warrent Stern to put a lit of effort into codeing
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I agree with BB that a firm base is important re pf. And I am getting more excited and a little disappointed I didn't get on board to purchase. But if the code utilizes 10% of the pf's features and/or never takes full advantage of the design then I would be disappointed and class it as a non player/keeper. Lets see how it pans out but I am confident this will be a great game
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I agree with BB that a firm base is important re pf. And I am getting more excited and a little disappointed I didn't get on board to purchase. But if the code utilizes 10% of the pf's features and/or never takes full advantage of the design then I would be disappointed and class it as a non player/keeper. Lets see how it pans out but I am confident this will be a great game
You can still buy the pro or premium
Unless you play better if your machine has anumberd plaque
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I thought LE's have more pf extras like the hammer on metalica etc. No?
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I thought LE's have more pf extras like the hammer on metalica etc. No?
You get a different art package for the cabinet an back glass
The snakehead was simplified on the pro
It is NOT $1000 worth of extras
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I thought LE's have more pf extras like the hammer on metalica etc. No?
You get a different art package for the cabinet an back glass
The snakehead was simplified on the pro
It is NOT $1000 worth of extras
The LE's never have $1000 worth of value above the Premium. LE buyers are paying for a plaque that says "LE". I'm sure the different artwork mirrored backglass will look awesome. I'm not a fan of shaker motors unless the game actually has a use for it - like Jurassic Park or Roadshow.
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This game would be the perfect candidate for re theme to Jaws!
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A shaker motor on a new Stern is a must.
The code is heavily programmed for the shaker during multiball and with magnet usage etc.
I wouldn't have a BNIB Stern without a shaker.
Worth every cent and simple to self fit.
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This game would be the perfect candidate for re theme to Jaws!
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yeah Dude!
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This game would be the perfect candidate for re theme to Jaws!
^^^
yeah Dude!
Don't be negative guys. We are all enjoying the thread. More importantly Borg's watching &&
I hate shaker motors - vibration is bad news for machines - would NEVER buy a pin that has had one fitted.
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Re: the LE versus Premium features .
There are no differences play-wise between the LE and Premium models . They will both play exactly the same . As has already been mentioned for the LE you get different cabinet / trim and a mirrored backglass instead of a translite as well as a numbered plaque .
In previous releases ( ACDC is the best example ) for the extra coin the LE came with upgraded speaker system and shaker motor as well as the usual LE extras . Nowadays the Premium and LE come basically the same .
If anybody was thinking of getting a Kiss and is bummed on missing out on a LE , then just go the Premium instead . You'll get the EXACT same gameplay experience and save a little bit of coin ( which you could put towards new rails / legs to make it look even closer to a LE ! ) .
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Thats good to know as game play is number one to me and then looks, but miss on either and its no purchase for me.
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That's why gene's head action will be so important - the pro misses a lot if the gene action of the prem & le is splendiferous. With the $Aud flat as a pancake I think I'll wait & look to get a 2nd hand prem down the track IF the gameplay is awesome. I think the LE's will be tightly held. This p/f is so well done it has swayed my view on owning the newer pins. When is the damn video coming out??? Anybody know?
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A quote from Stern's Facebook page, from 8 hours ago:
"We are now only days away from the first #Kiss #Pro #PinballMachine gameplay video! Like if you want to see it now!"
Soon after Stern posted the a video of a test gig that shows what the magnet in the back does. It is not on posted on youtube.
See:
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball?fref=nf)
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A quote from Stern's Facebook page, from 8 hours ago:
"We are now only days away from the first #Kiss #Pro #PinballMachine gameplay video! Like if you want to see it now!"
Soon after Stern posted the a video of a test gig that shows what the magnet in the back does. It is not on posted on youtube.
See:
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball?fref=nf)
That's a cool effect along the back wall. Have clicked like but really want to see le/prem - will have to settle for pro $#$
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Stern have posted on Facebook that the games will start to ship end of next week
Wooties for those getting one
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Quote from Stern FB
"Here it is, the first ever photo of assembled #Kiss pro #pinball machines on our assembly line! These first 20 units are "Pilot Group" machines are are being used for assembly development and QC. Later these units will be sent to shows, events and test locations for prolonged data collection."
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This game would be the perfect candidate for re theme to Jaws!
^^^
yeah Dude!
Don't be negative guys. We are all enjoying the thread. More importantly Borg's watching &&
I hate shaker motors - vibration is bad news for machines - would NEVER buy a pin that has had one fitted.
Not being negative at all, I think it lends itself to a jaws retheme bigtime.
Replace GS big head with great white shark head.
Put a cage and diver where the guy with the guitar is.
Barrels for pop bumpers.
Redo all art
New code
Done!
I might buy a pro just to have this done to it.
#*#
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Thanks for the pics Jady it's interesting to see the spike system getting put together :)
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Quote from Stern FB
"Here it is, the first ever photo of assembled #Kiss pro #pinball machines on our assembly line! These first 20 units are "Pilot Group" machines are are being used for assembly development and QC. Later these units will be sent to shows, events and test locations for prolonged data collection."
Excellent work Swinksy
Are u going to the AMD unboxings party ?
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I have telephoned TimeZone at Surfers Paradise to ask when they will be getting a KISS machine and the Snr Manager took my number and will call when it is in.
One of our great Gold Coast members Rob usually gives us all the heads up on the TimeZone machine arrivals so that will be great as well !
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Thanks for the pics Jady it's interesting to see the spike system getting put together :)
They might even be Aussie bound machines. 230v PSU and the non rounded 'S' on the playfield...
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I don't know if we've had pic one posted yet. I can't wait to see how this functions on the LE & Prem. Think Stern were super smart with their release of just enough info to have us all wondering about this.
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Thanks for the pics Jady it's interesting to see the spike system getting put together :)
They might even be Aussie bound machines. 230v PSU and the non rounded 'S' on the playfield...
Well spotted :) hopefully they are Aussie bound.
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First of the assembled pilot Kiss Pro playfields are now in Stern's testing area - 5 cool pics:
https://m.facebook.com/sternpinball?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fsternpinball#!/story.php?story_fbid=10153286181129244&id=136972659243&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10153286181129244&__tn__=%2As
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I don't know if we've had pic one posted yet. I can't wait to see how this functions on the LE & Prem. Think Stern were super smart with their release of just enough info to have us all wondering about this.
What would be awesome is a tounge that flicked the ball back over his head....
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That would be very cool - especially if it landed on a ramp! The Stern testing photos are really worth a look - some new angles, see under apron etc.
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Awesome ^^^ ^^^ Have today put $ aside for a Prem (fav colour comb) after finding an ex-bumper Dirty Harry with an asking price of $4300 on another forum. Makes Kiss look positively cheap (plus you were right pb pete - everyone needs at least one bib experience). Glad to be on the Kiss train! Video tomorrow??
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Thankyou for posting the pictures Pete.
Machine looks great.
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Thankyou for posting the pictures Pete.
Machine looks great.
No worries mate :) I may have doubled up with Jadys pictures but you can never have enough KISS pics :)
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no worries, I haven't worked out how to attach heaps like how you did...
does look good, looking forward to the gameplay video.
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how good are those colours, plus the mix of retro modern - really really good. If god did a pinball i think he'd do this. the purple back on the p/f is the only bit i have a qn over - but this won't be on the LE & Prem.
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I cannot wait to play one...
I really like pins with art work....
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That last release of photos seem to show that Gene's head is not in a fixed position.
You will see that today's photos show Gene's upper teeth above the wire form ramp, yet in older photos that some of you are using as your profile picture, the teeth are well back from the ramp.
A photo of the assembly line work has a cloth under Gene's tongue. Its shows that the tongue is almost on the playfield. Very different to earlier photos that show the tongue about 3cm above the playfield.
Conclusion: Surely Gene's head take a bow when launching the balls.
STOP PRESS:
That said, the shot of gene's teeth shows the tongue way above the playfield. How would the balls exist if the ramp is almost in Gene's mouth? So what is an photo angle illusion and what is real? The true powers of this daemon head will be revealed in time!
Stay tuned folks for our next episode:
"Does the daemon take a bow, and if so, does he choke on the silver bullets?"
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That last release of photos seem to show that Gene's head is not in a fixed position.
You will see that today's photos show Gene's upper teeth above the wire form ramp, yet in older photos that some of you are using as your profile picture, the teeth are well back from the ramp.
A photo of the assembly line work has a cloth under Gene's tongue. Its shows that the tongue is almost on the playfield. Very different to earlier photos that show the tongue about 3cm above the playfield.
Conclusion: Surely Gene's head take a bow when launching the balls.
STOP PRESS:
That said, the shot of gene's teeth shows the tongue way above the playfield. How would the balls exist if the ramp is almost in Gene's mouth? So what is an photo angle illusion and what is real? The true powers of this daemon head will be revealed in time!
Stay tuned folks for our next episode:
"Does the daemon take a bow, and if so, does he choke on the silver bullets?"
The older photos are a LE.
The photos today are the PRO.
The mech is different.
The pro only has a virtual lock in there.
The prem and LE spits them out his mouth.
Hence the different angle your seeing.
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The big reveal everyone is waiting for! How do the balls exit Gene's mouth?? Still looking forward to the Pro video anyway, but really hanging for the big one. What do people think about the trough in front of the 4 bumpers? What's the guess here?
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The older photos are a LE.
The photos today are the PRO.
The mech is different.
The pro only has a virtual lock in there.
The prem and LE spits them out his mouth.
Hence the different angle your seeing.
But the shot with the tongue nearly touching the playfield can't be a normal arrangement, as it would stop the ball from entering the spinning disk area. There is always a possibility that Gene's head hadn't been fully mounted when that photo was taken.
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going off the comment on Sterns Facebook I reckon a video will be out tomorrow morning......
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I think the photos of the "tongue" are a bit deceiving because of the angle they are taken from .
If you look at the following photo , although it is hard to tell because of the sheet across the playfield , you will see that the tip of the tongue comes past the Lite Lock inserts which you can just see the tip of above the sheet :
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/18/7cac92317127cfdde15234bb338307f9.jpg
Then if you look at this image and take note of the Lite Lock inserts you'll see that the tip of the tongue must end around the middle of the Demon artwork/insert . Looks as though there is plenty of room under the tongue to get the ball past .
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/18/173e850b34712c6c523aaa1ddeda7d2b.jpg
The first photo above is taken from an almost straight down perspective which throws it out a little I think .
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Looking forward to the video.
Can't wait to see the AMD launch party.
I am assuming the USA Stern Dealers are going to have HUGE
KISS launch parties with people bringing along Kiss shirts n stuff to get into the mood.
Should be some great photos in the months ahead.
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they have posted 3 kiss pinball videos being tested but all on facebook and don't know how to extract
the colour changing pop bumpers looks cool, but nothing showing the head movement as yet more about switch testing and hearing some of the kiss music
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Here's the factory video :)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/35138159505/permalink/10152943804194506/
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Wow - thanks Gorgar1. What a playfield @@* Best Stern p/f ever in terms of artwork - hand drawn true artistry & looks great with the inserts lit.. With Pro set for end-June delivery to Oz I think they'll be pumping through production of the Pros next week. Prem not delivered until Sept !!!
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gameplay video definitely out today
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Pro gets color changing inserts and pops :) Is it just me or does the clear coat look nice and thick?
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Pro gets color changing inserts and pops :) Is it just me or does the clear coat look nice and thick?
the CC does look good
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they have posted 3 kiss pinball videos being tested but all on facebook and don't know how to extract
the colour changing pop bumpers looks cool, but nothing showing the head movement as yet more about switch testing and hearing some of the kiss music
Visually - stunning. what an awesome art package. I hope it plays as good as it looks.
Sounds - Would be great to know what the guys are saying, but I don't understand Spanish or Mexican. The songs - "Deuce" is clearly the re recorded and over produced tribute band version which you can tell sounds terrible. Can't wait to upgrade these lame versions to the original versions.
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coming.... hope it is a good solid game video, Jared has definitely picked it up on the Stern FB
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new video - game play
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153290535594244/
cool game, plays fast and the ball just rolls out of the mouth not shoot out and the head is fixed, ramps are nice, sounds is great, star child arena area looks to be a tough shot to make
I want a pro.....
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Watch everyone whinge! wheres the sound?
Looks fast and cool!
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That looks and plays nice cool flow :) YES you can change songs throughout game I hated that about Metallica. I watched it in car with stereo loud so the game needs a sub :)
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Watch everyone whinge! wheres the sound?
Looks fast and cool!
the sound works, noticed I had to stop and then start the facebook video for the sound to come in, borg's games always have a bit of speed. I wonder even though the premiums and le's have the love gun levitating ball which slows the game play but gets the ball into the star child area...
stern also posted this
Stern Pinball
Some of you might care to know the following.
This was the first game ever played on a assembled machine from our factory. The machine was not on legs but was rather on one of our assembly carts. The game had no adjustments whatsoever so things like the speed in which the ball shoots out of the mouth are not necessarily reflective of what the final version will be. This video was simply intended to show how the ball moves around the playfield and how some of the shots can be hit.
Certainly you can expect more high definition gameplay videos as the days and weeks go on. Thank you for your interest.
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$$( Outstanding. Great flow & looks like a hell of a fun game. Ball rolling out looks cool & also gentle enough to not cause p/f probs. Early days still but I think they have really cracked it this time. The video also confirms how nice the clear coat is. I have been reticent with respect to buying Stern in the past, enjoying the games, but feeling they could do more for their customers. Maybe, just maybe, this time they've brought the whole package up to meet their price point. I cannot wait to get mine.
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Looks great.
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Absolutely thrilled.
I NEVER thought I'd buy a NIB Stern - came close with Iron Man and VERY close with TWD LE. This game has me completely stunned with anticipation. Look at the clearcoat - on a PRO no less ?
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The clear coat on Sterns have been very good for a long time.
I can speak for the following titles for which the factory clear coat appears to be very thick and shiny on
ACDC
X Men
Star Trek
Mustang
The Walking Dead
After plenty of games with new balls, I cant/haven't yet seen any ball swirl marks at all.
It would be good if Stern released a video of their playfields being manufactured but I guess that is a trade secret they want to keep secret.
I can't see why they would have changed the clear coat process just for KISS but given Stern are great at keeping manufacturing secrets, I guess we will never know.
A friend has a Avatar, Big Buck Hunter and a Transformers and the clear on those are also excellent.
Maybe as the years go past, the products companies like Stern are using are just getting better with technology.
The video of KISS definately makes the Playfield art look amazing.
If the Aussie dollar was the same as ACDC, I wonder would KISS outsell ACDC in Australia ?
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If the Aussie dollar was the same as ACDC, I wonder would KISS outsell ACDC in Australia ?
An interesting question. Aussie dollar aside I'm a much bigger AC/DC fan than Kiss fan but I would much prefer a Kiss machine. Might be that I prefer the look or that I grew up playing Kiss and one day hope to own a Bally version I'm not sure.
On a quick side note what an awesome looking play field this new Kiss has...wow IMHO this is Sterns best looker to date.
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working spinning disc and chute video here.
on this link people who don't have facebook can still view (if I selected the right on)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos
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Pretty underwhelming, couple of cool ramp shots but that looks like it. Will have to wait and see what it is really like if and when the code gets done.
Is Gene a dribbler or a spitter, the ball on multiball just dribbles out of his mouth. Maybe that is the way he likes it?
!@#
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working spinning disc and chute video here.
on this link people who don't have facebook can still view (if I selected the right on)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos
So the ball either goes under Gene and the disc spits it back out under Gene or if a different insert is lit it'll go up to Genes head and exit via his tongue? Am I correct?
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The clear on the test pinball that we have all seen in the Stern videos is definitely much better than recent efforts.
TWD LE in my showroom has had 100 plays. It has that many craters, it looks like the surface of the moon. In fact, Greg ordered a second playfield for the game to have clearcoated properly. This was a constant issue he had with the quality of the clearcoat on all late model sterns. Almost half his LE's have spare playfields for exactly the same reason. Stern have definitely made a change with the clearcoat quality we all see in the video.
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working spinning disc and chute video here.
on this link people who don't have facebook can still view (if I selected the right on)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos
So the ball either goes under Gene and the disc spits it back out under Gene or if a different insert is lit it'll go up to Genes head and exit via his tongue? Am I correct?
possibly or a bit of luck to make it to the vuk out of the spin or straight across the spinner.
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Stern have definitely made a change with the clearcoat quality we all see in the video.
hopefully just not for the testers but consistently
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
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Ahhrrg , it was a joke Nino
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Ahhrrg , it was a joke Nino
I know - The joke is on me as I will buy a spare playfield regardless if the clear is paper thin, or caked on. This is what Stern have done - hooked into the KISS fanbase. They could sell the playfield as a wall hanging and make a tidy side venture..
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I wonder if they will sell the GS head, ?
To easy to misuse
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The clear on the test pinball that we have all seen in the Stern videos is definitely much better than recent efforts.
TWD LE in my showroom has had 100 plays. It has that many craters, it looks like the surface of the moon. In fact, Greg ordered a second playfield for the game to have clearcoated properly. This was a constant issue he had with the quality of the clearcoat on all late model sterns. Almost half his LE's have spare playfields for exactly the same reason. Stern have definitely made a change with the clearcoat quality we all see in the video.
I know there's a bit of mucking around about this (& I'm the 1st to love a joke) but it is important. The diamond-plate on the Williams games is still being polished to this day - if they were huo & cared for they look almost new after 20-odd years. Even if hammered on route they often look decent. I've seen an ac/dc machine badly dimpled after 100 games. I'm buying a Kiss (with sentiments like spacejam - big ac/dc fan but this is the machine that i have to have) - as a bnib buyer I want the p/f to last. My guess is so do most buyers - or at least they will if they end up selling in a few years. I like the look of this clearcoat - I hope it is thick & cures rock-hard.
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Pretty underwhelming, couple of cool ramp shots but that looks like it. Will have to wait and see what it is really like if and when the code gets done.
Is Gene a dribbler or a spitter, the ball on multiball just dribbles out of his mouth. Maybe that is the way he likes it?
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%.% CowCorner this is like an 8 out of 10 review for you. Btw I can see how your Jaws idea would work - especially once when you added in the barrels etc :lol The blood is there already, but you'd have to tweak the rest of the p/f art.
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Pretty underwhelming, couple of cool ramp shots but that looks like it. Will have to wait and see what it is really like if and when the code gets done.
Is Gene a dribbler or a spitter, the ball on multiball just dribbles out of his mouth. Maybe that is the way he likes it?
!@#
%.% CowCorner this is like an 8 out of 10 review for you. Btw I can see how your Jaws idea would work - especially once when you added in the barrels etc :lol The blood is there already, but you'd have to tweak the rest of the p/f art.
I am interested to see the disc in action, the call outs and the dots when they are done.
I will give it a 10/10 review for sure when the code is completed in...........................................
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Stern - Greg bought extra playfields for all his NIB Sterns - Spiderman and Ironman are at Platinum Pinball being cleared. He was in the process of buying a TWD LE playfield before he passed away.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
in this case a LE should be the same as a Premium playfield. Stern always make extra playfields and have a stash for a period. I have a brand new IM playfield stashed for one day when I get a IM again. AMD can get them in so just ask the question with them.
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Best time to negotiate and buy a BNIB spare playfield is when you order your BNIB game. Plus any spare parts or plastics, translites etc you want.
I always buy a signed Translite for every game and put in the signed one.
Dorothy for Stern USA who handles all those orders is a dream. You then co-ordinate her to speak with AMD after you have established stock availability. Been dealing with Dorothy for years and she is such a great person. Efficient friendly and professional.
Spare playfields are rarely needed in real life but a great insurance policy to have for resale.
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
in this case a LE should be the same as a Premium playfield. Stern always make extra playfields and have a stash for a period. I have a brand new IM playfield stashed for one day when I get a IM again. AMD can get them in so just ask the question with them.
I didn't know you could do this, thanks.
The LE playfield has John Borg's signature on it.
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
in this case a LE should be the same as a Premium playfield. Stern always make extra playfields and have a stash for a period. I have a brand new IM playfield stashed for one day when I get a IM again. AMD can get them in so just ask the question with them.
I didn't know you could do this, thanks.
The LE playfield has John Borg's signature on it.
It'll wear off quick with the Novus
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Who cares how thick the clear is
You guys are going to play this game so much you would wear out anything !!!!
It won't worry me too much. "It is what it is" - My observation is that it looks so much better and I'm hoping all playfields are done like this. I'll most likely buy another playfield and plastics set. Extra playfield will be professionally cleared and used down the track. I'm buying my LE to play, not as an ornament, but I want it to look and play as new as possible.
Rumor is the spike sound system is cracked. So great news for those that are looking at replacing the re recorded rubbish with the original tunes.
Where are you going to get a spare LE playfield from?
in this case a LE should be the same as a Premium playfield. Stern always make extra playfields and have a stash for a period. I have a brand new IM playfield stashed for one day when I get a IM again. AMD can get them in so just ask the question with them.
I didn't know you could do this, thanks.
The LE playfield has John Borg's signature on it.
It'll wear off quick with the Novus
Lol luckily it's under the clear coat :)
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Wait until you see the topper
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Will Stern do a "extras kit" and "factory" topper for KISS like they did for The Walking Dead ? !@#
Good idea or bad idea. Woiluld it's sell if the price was right ?
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Will Stern do a "extras kit" and "factory" topper for KISS like they did for The Walking Dead ? !@#
Good idea or bad idea. Woiluld it's sell if the price was right ?
Omg, two silly questions
Will KISS fans spend money on merchandice?
Does Garry Stern want to sell upgrades for his games?
( guess you did not read my post or check FB today )
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stern upgrade mods - topper and trim package
guessing topper will be around $250 USD and trim package around $500 USD it anything like TWD
-All painted with upgraded smooth satin black base coat
-Graphics are glossy finish and semi-reflective
-Graphics are burnt orange to accent the DMD surround graphics, back-board and playfield color scheme
-Right side features "The Demon" graphics
-Left side features "The Starchild" graphics
-Lock Bar features all 4 band members graphics & Logo
-Hinges feature official band logo
-Legs painted in upgraded satin black finish
-Easy installation, fully reversible
-Provides cabinet protection around flipper buttons
sorry the kiss topper is just a screen shot of the facebook video.
I reckon black mirror blades will be sweet in this game
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OMG I want this topper :) TWD was worth the cash :)
Thanks for posting Jady :) here's the video $399 USD
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153294256294244/
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OMG I want this topper :) TWD was worth the cash :)
Thanks for posting Jady :) here's the video $399 USD
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153294256294244/
Guess that answers Caveys question ;)
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Will Stern do a "extras kit" and "factory" topper for KISS like they did for The Walking Dead ? !@#
Good idea or bad idea. Woiluld it's sell if the price was right ?
Omg, two silly questions
Will KISS fans spend money on merchandice?
Does Garry Stern want to sell upgrades for his games?
( guess you did not read my post or check FB today )
There is no other band that even comes close to the purchase of merchandise. I've seen shrines - entire rooms filled from floor to roof with merchandise. KISS have more that 3000 licensed merchandise items. I used to collect merchandise, and I have no idea how much I've spent, but it would be worth $30-$50,000. I stopped in 2001, but the products are still released daily. I used to collect tour T-Shirts. I had 76 at one stage. KISS fans will buy anything with the logo.
If Stern did their marketing right, they would have included the topper with all games (at least Premium and LE). KISS fans would buy the topper, but if it was included with the game, they might be enticed to buy the game.
I've just seen the topper on FB. The idea is good, but clearly whoever the knucklehead is that designed the lighting has not seen a KISS show. The logo does not light up SLOWLY and segmented like that. It looks great, but does not work.
Releasing items like this at stupid prices is a slap in the face to LE buyers. That topper should be included FREE.
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I reckon Stern should increase the prices on these aftermarket mods and cash in while they can.
As long as people are willing to buy them they will continue to sell even though they should be free on LE games.
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stern upgrade mods - topper and trim package
guessing topper will be around $250 USD and trim package around $500 USD it anything like TWD
-All painted with upgraded smooth satin black base coat
-Graphics are glossy finish and semi-reflective
-Graphics are burnt orange to accent the DMD surround graphics, back-board and playfield color scheme
-Right side features "The Demon" graphics
-Left side features "The Starchild" graphics
-Lock Bar features all 4 band members graphics & Logo
-Hinges feature official band logo
-Legs painted in upgraded satin black finish
-Easy installation, fully reversible
-Provides cabinet protection around flipper buttons
sorry the kiss topper is just a screen shot of the facebook video.
I reckon black mirror blades will be sweet in this game
All this should be included in the LE.
Stern may have enticed the KISS fanbase with an excellent looking game, but they are now ripping off fans and buyers of the LE. I would NEVER buy another Stern (after KISS). This is a blatant cash grab and ripoff. This is BS..
Funny how they only include the "Starchild" and "Demon" graphics. If they geniuses at Stern knew what they were doing they would have "Catman" and "Space Ace". Fans would get sucked into buying that, but not the Gene and Paul artwork.
I knew it would be "too good to last". Only Stern could screw something up like this.
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stern upgrade mods - topper and trim package
guessing topper will be around $250 USD and trim package around $500 USD it anything like TWD
-All painted with upgraded smooth satin black base coat
-Graphics are glossy finish and semi-reflective
-Graphics are burnt orange to accent the DMD surround graphics, back-board and playfield color scheme
-Right side features "The Demon" graphics
-Left side features "The Starchild" graphics
-Lock Bar features all 4 band members graphics & Logo
-Hinges feature official band logo
-Legs painted in upgraded satin black finish
-Easy installation, fully reversible
-Provides cabinet protection around flipper buttons
sorry the kiss topper is just a screen shot of the facebook video.
I reckon black mirror blades will be sweet in this game
All this should be included in the LE.
Stern may have enticed the KISS fanbase with an excellent looking game, but they are now ripping off fans and buyers of the LE. I would NEVER buy another Stern (after KISS). This is a blatant cash grab and ripoff. This is BS..
Funny how they only include the "Starchild" and "Demon" graphics. If they geniuses at Stern knew what they were doing they would have "Catman" and "Space Ace". Fans would get sucked into buying that, but not the Gene and Paul artwork.
I knew it would be "too good to last". Only Stern could screw something up like this.
Of course all those things should be included for LE buyers but cmon this is Stern we are talking about.
Did you really expect anything different?
I hope Kiss exceeds all your expectations and is the best game you have ever played.
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The video is of the topper in attract mode
I am sure that during a game it will be more exciting
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The topper has different lighting effects depending on the mode your playing and I'm told it'll strobe like it does at the kiss concerts.
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stern upgrade mods - topper and trim package
guessing topper will be around $250 USD and trim package around $500 USD it anything like TWD
-All painted with upgraded smooth satin black base coat
-Graphics are glossy finish and semi-reflective
-Graphics are burnt orange to accent the DMD surround graphics, back-board and playfield color scheme
-Right side features "The Demon" graphics
-Left side features "The Starchild" graphics
-Lock Bar features all 4 band members graphics & Logo
-Hinges feature official band logo
-Legs painted in upgraded satin black finish
-Easy installation, fully reversible
-Provides cabinet protection around flipper buttons
sorry the kiss topper is just a screen shot of the facebook video.
I reckon black mirror blades will be sweet in this game
All this should be included in the LE.
Stern may have enticed the KISS fanbase with an excellent looking game, but they are now ripping off fans and buyers of the LE. I would NEVER buy another Stern (after KISS). This is a blatant cash grab and ripoff. This is BS..
Funny how they only include the "Starchild" and "Demon" graphics. If they geniuses at Stern knew what they were doing they would have "Catman" and "Space Ace". Fans would get sucked into buying that, but not the Gene and Paul artwork.
I knew it would be "too good to last". Only Stern could screw something up like this.
Of course all those things should be included for LE buyers but cmon this is Stern we are talking about.
Did you really expect anything different?
I hope Kiss exceeds all your expectations and is the best game you have ever played.
I only heard of the "extras" for the respective games from owners of the machines. The majority don't buy the toppers etc - especially LE buyers, as they are aware that these extras should be parts of the US$2000 extra costs for an LE. So as a casual observer, I didn't care.
NOW that I'm a buyer, I'm VERY pissed off. I wanted an LE as I'm a KISS fan and collector. I fully understand there's not $2000 value from the Premium to the LE. But to "offer" this topper and trim set at this ridiculous prices is insane. These extras should be used to entice the "fence sitters" to buy a Premium if the topper is included.
The extras should be included with LEs. Instead of spending time finishing code, they seem more interested in ripping people off with extras that should be part of the LE package.
The video is of the topper in attract mode
I am sure that during a game it will be more exciting
I understand that, but if you were selling a topper that is supposed to be working in attract mode, then by default it should light up correctly ? The game is a throw back to the 70's so it should behave like the logos of the 70's ?
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I agree
Stern has showing to much test mode, beta software, computer renderings
A fully built and running game wouldbe better to sell the ggame
But all the LEs have already sold, I dare say sakes for this machine are alreadyhigh, so why would stern change what is wworking?
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Topper looks cool.. nice aluminium channel letters. Someone got a good gig to build them all, shame it wasn't me!..LOL.
Have to agree though that Stern are far too keen to post and release unfinished stuff. The topper SHOULD have been displayed strobing how the KISS logo actually strobes. The curtain effect shown looks shite. Yeh I know its one of many strobing effects from the DMX controller, but so what?
Once again, Stern not dotting the I's and crossing the T's
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I agree with Nino. That topper lighting needs some steroid injections. The speed and variety of lighting effects is a bit lame. A KISS pinball is worthy of something more WOW.
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This is absolutely a massive gouge by Stern - disgusting! I'm GLAD all the LE's were sold by the time I became interested. Including 2 band members only is UNACCEPTABLE - even if Stern HAD TO DO THIS to appease Gene's ego it should not have happened. Stern should have had the ethics to go as far as say all 4 or no machine.
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This is absolutely a massive gouge by Stern - disgusting! I'm GLAD all the LE's were sold by the time I became interested. Including 2 band members only is UNACCEPTABLE - even if Stern HAD TO DO THIS to appease Gene's ego it should not have happened. Stern should have had the ethics to go as far as say all 4 or no machine.
The way I read it is Gene & Paul on side rails and all members on lock down bar :) topper looks awesome.
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sorry posted wrong section cant work out how to delete
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stern upgrade mods - topper and trim package
guessing topper will be around $250 USD and trim package around $500 USD it anything like TWD
-All painted with upgraded smooth satin black base coat
-Graphics are glossy finish and semi-reflective
-Graphics are burnt orange to accent the DMD surround graphics, back-board and playfield color scheme
-Right side features "The Demon" graphics
-Left side features "The Starchild" graphics
-Lock Bar features all 4 band members graphics & Logo
-Hinges feature official band logo
-Legs painted in upgraded satin black finish
-Easy installation, fully reversible
-Provides cabinet protection around flipper buttons
sorry the kiss topper is just a screen shot of the facebook video.
I reckon black mirror blades will be sweet in this game
All this should be included in the LE.
Stern may have enticed the KISS fanbase with an excellent looking game, but they are now ripping off fans and buyers of the LE. I would NEVER buy another Stern (after KISS). This is a blatant cash grab and ripoff. This is BS..
Funny how they only include the "Starchild" and "Demon" graphics. If they geniuses at Stern knew what they were doing they would have "Catman" and "Space Ace". Fans would get sucked into buying that, but not the Gene and Paul artwork.
I knew it would be "too good to last". Only Stern could screw something up like this.
Of course all those things should be included for LE buyers but cmon this is Stern we are talking about.
Did you really expect anything different?
I hope Kiss exceeds all your expectations and is the best game you have ever played.
I only heard of the "extras" for the respective games from owners of the machines. The majority don't buy the toppers etc - especially LE buyers, as they are aware that these extras should be parts of the US$2000 extra costs for an LE. So as a casual observer, I didn't care.
NOW that I'm a buyer, I'm VERY pissed off. I wanted an LE as I'm a KISS fan and collector. I fully understand there's not $2000 value from the Premium to the LE. But to "offer" this topper and trim set at this ridiculous prices is insane. These extras should be used to entice the "fence sitters" to buy a Premium if the topper is included.
The extras should be included with LEs. Instead of spending time finishing code, they seem more interested in ripping people off with extras that should be part of the LE package.
This is why I hope Stern don't do a new Star Wars pin.
It would be almost impossible for me to not buy one and with Sterns business model the way it is I don't want to buy anything NIB from them ever again.
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This is absolutely a massive gouge by Stern - disgusting! I'm GLAD all the LE's were sold by the time I became interested. Including 2 band members only is UNACCEPTABLE - even if Stern HAD TO DO THIS to appease Gene's ego it should not have happened. Stern should have had the ethics to go as far as say all 4 or no machine.
The way I read it is Gene & Paul on side rails and all members on lock down bar :) topper looks awesome.
Yeah exactly - unbalanced! Double-up for Gene & Paul. To "upgrade" the trim when in production would cost Stern peanuts. Instead they sell a game with coloured trim & sell separately "better" coloured trim at a massively inflated price. This is what I mean by Stern not looking after its customers. I thought they'd got this one right but this leaves a very sour taste.
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Maybe they considered constant flashing of that many LED's could be a hazard or annoyance in a public setting in attract mode.
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Topper is aimed at the commercial market??... I doubt that very much. It is directly aimed at the fan base
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I'm wondering if this is Stern's way around the red trim debacle on the LE? Rather than admit they had a colour clash (or in other words orange looked way better) they went, hey we can make $ here too??? Or would this have been planned ages ago?
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This would have all been planned ages ago. Not sure anyone should be surprised...they did it with TWD so why not with Kiss. In fact from a business perspective they would be mad not to.
Not defending stern at all as i agree all this should be included in at least the LE model, however I can see why they did it after people bought twd mods so people will do it again
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Um...
Stern haven't included toppers with other LEs, so I can understand that Stern selling it separately and making it accessible to all. If the topper was provided with the LE, Stern probably shouldn't sell it separately.
But the side armour should have been part of the LE package, and limited to the LEs. LEs needed something more to justify the price difference to a Premium. The side armour may have been enough to keep LE buyers happy.
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Stern have been missing out on cashing in on the mods for too long now. Would I be p'd off if I had ordered an LE.....yes. Does it make good business sense to offer the topper......yes. Agree side armour should have been on the LE's as standard in a particular colour and then offer them in a different colour as a mod. yes people could buy them and get them powdercoated or painted to look the same but Stern could easily put a LE sticker of some sort on the armour and then clearcoat it so it would always be a genuine LE item only.
End of the day, it's all about the hype and all the posts here alone are proof of that. Some may think Stern have stuffed this up but when you look at all the hype surrounding this machine and the number of sales already generated, they have done well. It might not be right or it may not please everyone, but they have done well.
Another reason to sit back and actually wait and see what the machine is going to be like and not get sucked in just yet. I would love a Premium but I am not committing to anything just yet.
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Why couldn't they have done a pin like this with Rolling Stones?.. Oh yeh, that's right, 2015 KISS is based on a Bally game.
Stern going back to its roots?
Flame suit on Stern boys... %.% %.% %.% %.%
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It all looks great.
I don't think anything should come as standard because everyone can option up their machine the way they want to.
If u want something to look at, go the LE.
If u want something to play and save a packet on things that are just eye candy, buy a Pro and fully option it and still save heaps compared to buying the LE.
Play the Pro, play the LE on any Stern, it's about 10 percent difference.
I have experienced this on all the latest Stern titles.
I will get a fully optioned up Pro and be as happy as Larry.
Can't wait for these to hit Aussie homes.
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Stern have been missing out on cashing in on the mods for too long now. Would I be p'd off if I had ordered an LE.....yes. Does it make good business sense to offer the topper......yes. Agree side armour should have been on the LE's as standard in a particular colour and then offer them in a different colour as a mod. yes people could buy them and get them powdercoated or painted to look the same but Stern could easily put a LE sticker of some sort on the armour and then clearcoat it so it would always be a genuine LE item only.
End of the day, it's all about the hype and all the posts here alone are proof of that. Some may think Stern have stuffed this up but when you look at all the hype surrounding this machine and the number of sales already generated, they have done well. It might not be right or it may not please everyone, but they have done well.
Another reason to sit back and actually wait and see what the machine is going to be like and not get sucked in just yet. I would love a Premium but I am not committing to anything just yet.
Well said!
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From what I have seen I think the PRO version should be a great buy as not alot of differences from what can be seen.
- drop target would be nice but regular target is less mechanical and faster in play
- no love gun levitating ball and associated diverter ramp but not a huge loss I don't think, might just slow the game down a little.
- the physical ball lock in the Gene head would be cool but again you can still have multiball but shot from the shooter lane instead and maybe no as many ball multiball ???
- the lighting is probably the biggest noticeable feature but unlike other pros this one appears to have all the songs, so colour changing arrows and colour changing pops so it is probably one of the better pros in features and gameplay.
As for the Le's and mods, I reckon they should have the range in a mod / upgrade catalogue and all the LE owners can mix and match with a final selection and their game arrives fully assembled from the factory with what ever trim the customer wants. I don't agree with the extra $1000 cash grab for the LE owners. Premium guys can still buy the extra gear but not standard with the game would be fine but LE guys should get to pick, with maybe the topper at cost as a option.
That said I scored a new job today so all going well in a month or 2 I might be getting a KISS Pro
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Um...
Stern haven't included toppers with other LEs, so I can understand that Stern selling it separately and making it accessible to all. If the topper was provided with the LE, Stern probably shouldn't sell it separately.
But the side armour should have been part of the LE package, and limited to the LEs. LEs needed something more to justify the price difference to a Premium. The side armour may have been enough to keep LE buyers happy.
Bally Williams did it - it was standard with titles that had a topper. Some exceptions like CV Scrolls, but it was commonplace for a topper. It didn't cost anything extra.
Here's a can of worms - JJP have toppers included in the price. NOT an option.. It is a standard inclusion.
My theory on the topper is that Stern couldn't do what Bally did in 1978. The KISS logo on the backglass (1978 game) is illuminated in the same way the logo was on the stage. Bally designers and engineers did it with 1970's technology. Stern could not do that, so they created the topper in it's place. The software should be able to handle lighting some LEDs behind the backglass ? THAT topper SHOULD be behind the backglass.
Bally achieved this feat of technology in 1978. Stern are just not smart enough. Applying Stern's logic, they could not work out HOW to do unless buyer paid for the feature installed in a topper.
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Congrats on the new job Jady well done :) and treat yourself with a new pinball good stuff.
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THAT topper SHOULD be behind the backglass.
That would be very cool indeed. There is plenty of space now and imagine that with like a 3D effect behind the glass and mirrored edging...
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no reason why #@# a KISS shaped shroud can't be made to sit inside the backbox with some lighting as long as the light can penetrate the translite / backglass on the KISS logo..
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I gotta say some of the negative comments a page or two ago about Stern and the KISS game have surprised even me.
No one has seen the game in person, or played it even, and are bagging what Stern has or hasn't done.
I say wait for the game to get here first before making final decisions.
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I gotta say some of the negative comments a page or two ago about Stern and the KISS game have surprised even me.
No one has seen the game in person, or played it even, and are bagging what Stern has or hasn't done.
I say wait for the game to get here first before making final decisions.
Surprised EVEN you??? %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
Oh man you are so touchy feely and don't actually read whats written. Noone has "bagged" the game.. criticism is about the Stern cash in on extras.
here we go again.. Brets famous Cut and Paste posts
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I am entitled to my opinion.
Last time I checked Stern was in the market to make a profit.
If a car company offers "optional extras" for a car, is that called a "cash grab".
Where does the "included" and not included "options" start and stop. You cannot please everybody.
If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Simple.
Your assumption I don't read is totally incorrect ofcourse.
Here we go again, Gavin's negativity about my opinion or opinions.
I haven't cut n pasted anything so again you are incorrect again.
I suggest you stick to having an opinion about the KISS game rather than focusing on one other members posts or opinions. I already have one father who I don't like, I DONT need another Gavin !
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From what I have seen I think the PRO version should be a great buy as not alot of differences from what can be seen.
- drop target would be nice but regular target is less mechanical and faster in play
- no love gun levitating ball and associated diverter ramp but not a huge loss I don't think, might just slow the game down a little.
- the physical ball lock in the Gene head would be cool but again you can still have multiball but shot from the shooter lane instead and maybe no as many ball multiball ???
- the lighting is probably the biggest noticeable feature but unlike other pros this one appears to have all the songs, so colour changing arrows and colour changing pops so it is probably one of the better pros in features and gameplay.
That said I scored a new job today so all going well in a month or 2 I might be getting a KISS Pro
Great info Jady(Swinksy).
Well done on the new job and congrats if you buy a Pro.
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With everybody seeming to like the playfield, I started thinking: We won't be playing this game for months. I hope we aren't all hyping this up so much that when we play it, we end up disappointed.
I don't think that will be the case. I'm dying to play this.
...Regarding Gene rolling the balls out, I prefer that to the balls being shot out - it looks smooth (almost an EM speed feel). At a slower speed, you have some better chance of catching the ball or playing it directly. I've never liked having the ball shot at the flipper at high speed. I'm often caught glancing at the DMD as the ball is shot out.
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I am entitled to my opinion.
Last time I checked Stern was in the market to make a profit.
If a car company offers "optional extras" for a car, is that called a "cash grab".
Where does the "included" and not included "options" start and stop. You cannot please everybody.
If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Simple.
Your assumption I don't read is totally incorrect ofcourse.
Here we go again, Gavin's negativity about my opinion or opinions.
I haven't cut n pasted anything so again you are incorrect again.
I suggest you stick to having an opinion about the KISS game rather than focusing on one other members posts or opinions. I already have one father who I don't like, I DONT need another Gavin !
maybe you might like to take your own advice pal.. you air your opinions all the time and just have commenting on supposed negative post as you do on any Stern thread.. now we yet again have aired personal issues regarding your father.
We don't care about your personal insecurities.. that's your beef to get over and this aint the place to do it
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Gavin, The line about the father was to make a point about you speaking down to me like u are the father figure. You then go and take the comment literally which was plain silly.
Do u think putting me down publically makes you appear smarter or something.. I am not your pal, never will be, so keep your condescending comments to yourself and stick to talking about the KISS pinball.
I have placed you on my ignore list so don't bother with any further comments because you will be talking to yourself.
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With everybody seeming to like the playfield, I started thinking: We won't be playing this game for months. I hope we aren't all hyping this up so much that when we play it, we end up disappointed.
I don't think that will be the case. I'm dying to play this.
...Regarding Gene rolling the balls out, I prefer that to the balls being shot out - it looks smooth (almost an EM speed feel). At a slower speed, you have some better chance of catching the ball or playing it directly. I've never liked having the ball shot at the flipper at high speed. I'm often caught glancing at the DMD as the ball is shot out.
Good post BB. Waiting for the games to arrive in Australia is like waiting the night before Xmas. Can't come quick enough.
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Um...
Stern haven't included toppers with other LEs, so I can understand that Stern selling it separately and making it accessible to all. If the topper was provided with the LE, Stern probably shouldn't sell it separately.
But the side armour should have been part of the LE package, and limited to the LEs. LEs needed something more to justify the price difference to a Premium. The side armour may have been enough to keep LE buyers happy.
Bally Williams did it - it was standard with titles that had a topper. Some exceptions like CV Scrolls, but it was commonplace for a topper. It didn't cost anything extra.
Here's a can of worms - JJP have toppers included in the price. NOT an option.. It is a standard inclusion.
My theory on the topper is that Stern couldn't do what Bally did in 1978. The KISS logo on the backglass (1978 game) is illuminated in the same way the logo was on the stage. Bally designers and engineers did it with 1970's technology. Stern could not do that, so they created the topper in it's place. The software should be able to handle lighting some LEDs behind the backglass ? THAT topper SHOULD be behind the backglass.
Bally achieved this feat of technology in 1978. Stern are just not smart enough. Applying Stern's logic, they could not work out HOW to do unless buyer paid for the feature installed in a topper.
From something that was posted on FB, we have not seen everything yet
Stern still has some tricks up its sleeve regarding the backvox
The LE star ttrek had Flashing LEDs in the backbox
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I am entitled to my opinion.
Fair enough, but...
I say wait for the game to get here first before making final decisions.
The why are you telling others how they should think?
The criticism has not been so much of the game, but rather the Stern business model. Your comments are right off the mark.
In my opinion this title has met probably the best reception of any Stern on this forum (maybe Metallica and TWD were up there).
I suggest you stick to having an opinion about the KISS game rather than focusing on one other members posts or opinions.
Take your own advice and keep your comments on the game rather than the posts and opinions of other members. If some want to criticise the Stern, Kiss, expensive mods or whatever about this title, those comments are as welcome as the positive comments.
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Starchild playfield game play video just provided on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153296734134244/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153296734134244/?type=1&theater)
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Um...
Stern haven't included toppers with other LEs, so I can understand that Stern selling it separately and making it accessible to all. If the topper was provided with the LE, Stern probably shouldn't sell it separately.
But the side armour should have been part of the LE package, and limited to the LEs. LEs needed something more to justify the price difference to a Premium. The side armour may have been enough to keep LE buyers happy.
Bally Williams did it - it was standard with titles that had a topper. Some exceptions like CV Scrolls, but it was commonplace for a topper. It didn't cost anything extra.
Here's a can of worms - JJP have toppers included in the price. NOT an option.. It is a standard inclusion.
My theory on the topper is that Stern couldn't do what Bally did in 1978. The KISS logo on the backglass (1978 game) is illuminated in the same way the logo was on the stage. Bally designers and engineers did it with 1970's technology. Stern could not do that, so they created the topper in it's place. The software should be able to handle lighting some LEDs behind the backglass ? THAT topper SHOULD be behind the backglass.
Bally achieved this feat of technology in 1978. Stern are just not smart enough. Applying Stern's logic, they could not work out HOW to do unless buyer paid for the feature installed in a topper.
From something that was posted on FB, we have not seen everything yet
Stern still has some tricks up its sleeve regarding the backvox
The LE star ttrek had Flashing LEDs in the backbox
That's great to hear. Speaking to 5-6 KISS buyers committed or committed, none are buying the "extras" - definitely not the overpriced and dysfunctional "topper". So hopefully Stern will realize that if they wish to remain faithful to the original (which is the entire theme of the game), then they need to utilize a part of the game that was stock standard in 1978, and EASILY transferred to the 2015 version. It would really finish off the game for me. Lets see if they are smart enough to realize the toppers simply won't sell.
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Starchild playfield game play video just provided on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153296734134244/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153296734134244/?type=1&theater)
Great video. I love the slings in the area. Stern seem to be working on code as this area "advances through the modes". Unfortunately, I had to turn the sound down - I'm looking forward to removing the lame cover versions of the songs with the original. Seems the SPIKE system has already been infiltrated - so this should be a reality soon.
I love whats going on within the playfield area. Artwork is amazing. I like the updates (other than the junk topper) that Stern are providing. Well done !
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When I look at that vid I can't help but just love the colour & design of the p/f. God it's nice. Bumper action is okay, need to see more - hard to tell from just a few times with the ball in the area. I'm leaving the topper/trim discussion to others from here on in but just for the record I won't be adding it or the trim.
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With several short videos released now, it is 'clear' that Stern's 'clear coat' process been improved with this title. That gloss looks stunning, especially with the small colour pallet (not to many colours, as per EM days).
...Some irony in that the clear coat looks like newly restored machine. Pinhead or not, how could anyone on location not play something as shiny nice as this!
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Stern did some great Facebook updates today about the KISS topper saying it has over a dozen different modes other than the slow lighting up of each letter, AND you can buy the topper and plug it in at home, independent of the pinball machines power supply. (I haven't checked the last few pages of the thread so sorry if someone has already mentioned this).
I reckon the topper will look better in person than the videos and will change some people's minds to buy it.
Just like the Walking Dead interactive Stern topper, in person it is just awesome.
The amount of cool mods for this KISS pinball will be amazing.
The cabinet colours, espescially the reds and purples mean u could customise your side rails or legs or lockdown bar with your own powdercoat ing colours and make your machine very personal and unique.
Stern has hit a huge home run with this title. The playfield colours and plastics colours with the Led lighting look awesome. Imagine in person how this Pinny will shine.
So many people on social media are very excited.
I even read the Kiss Army fan clubs are putting up various BNIB Kiss pinnies for various competition prizes in the USA.
Imagine winning a BNIB machine. Bigger than all your Xmas,s at once. Very cool.
Has John Borg become the best pinny designer in the world with the KISS pinny.
I imagine he might be asked to do some special appearances for various media and news stations/radio in the USA.
The attention this title is getting is huge.
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Must have been Saturday yesty %$% Stern has put pics on facebook showing the machines with all the accessories in situ. The topper as a standalone may be okay, but honestly to me it looks silly having a "KISS" topper straight above the "KISS" text on the backboard. I've only got the link - Swinksy hopefully can put up the pics:
https://m.facebook.com/sternpinball?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fsternpinball#!/sternpinball/photos/a.10151651185924244.1073741825.136972659243/10153301000294244/?type=1&source=48&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10153301000294244&__tn__=E
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Must have been Saturday yesty %$% Stern has put pics on facebook showing the machines with all the accessories in situ. The topper as a standalone may be okay, but honestly to me it looks silly having a "KISS" topper straight above the "KISS" text on the backboard. I've only got the link - Swinksy hopefully can put up the pics:
https://m.facebook.com/sternpinball?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fsternpinball#!/sternpinball/photos/a.10151651185924244.1073741825.136972659243/10153301000294244/?type=1&source=48&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10153301000294244&__tn__=E
Totally agree. Stern should put the goods and gee-whiz in the back box effects and make the machine a total killer without the need of fancy ad-ons.
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Ok got the pic (if it works). I can see more of these sold standalone than as toppers.
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They look horrendous. They would actually devalue the game. Just in case you didn't know the game was a KISS game, you can spend an extra AUS$800 to be reminded. Operators won't buy them, and KISS fans will use one of the thousands of toys to make a much better topper for 1/10th of the price.
Moving on, I will look at modding my game, but I won't be paying Stern for them.
We need more videos to move on from this disaster #@#
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We need more videos to move on from this disaster #@#
you are over reacting
you play the playfield, not the topper, not the side armor
it is about the playfield and the backglass (and the music)
KISS is a great machine, Stern have done well
You and gorgar will get a kick out of owning and playing this machine
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I am sure there will be some better after market topper/s or should I say, more reasonably priced toppers on the market once the machine is out in the wild.
I think Stern mat struggle moving the toppers at that sort of price. Maybe they would be better off making them a limited edition of 500 or 1000, then I could see them selling a fair few.
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We need more videos to move on from this disaster #@#
you are over reacting
you play the playfield, not the topper, not the side armor
it is about the playfield and the backglass (and the music)
KISS is a great machine, Stern have done well
You and gorgar will get a kick out of owning and playing this machine
Couldn't agree more Pete :) topper ordered I actually love them and fully reversible-same price as the WD topper :) the shity Perspex toppers are $300 and there not written into the code :)
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Agree with Gorgar and PBPete on this one.
$399 USA is not expensive for the factory Stern topper.
I doubt AMD will charge much for postage when they get them in.
Gorgar is correct, everyone else sells shitty Perspex toppers for the same price and they are not code enhanced or compatible.
I can't undetstand Nino why you don't like it ?
It's KISS in capital letters, the name of the band and the exact same font the band has always used.
Don't be too hasty to make your mind up on this because when it gets here and u see it fully functional, u might change your mind completely. Never say never in pinball.
I can't possibly see what else Stern could have done for a topper except stayed true to the iconic KISS letters and it will please most I would think. Judge it in person I reckon.
Also, you can change the bulbs to any colour u want I believe.
Imagine it any many different colours.
I will buy one for sure.
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I think the problem is that Stern could've built the "topper" into the backbox. If the backbox "Kiss" just has a few std leds behind it then its mundane for today's technology, & for a band like Kiss. So to get the functionality that should be built into a game of this calibre buyers who already have spent $8k to $11.5k have to fork out more if they want interactivity. When the game is switched off then Kiss & Kiss at the top looks like they ran out of ideas (same really when on). There are 100 different things Stern could have done. The smart guys will come up with a backbox mod to make it "dazzling" & interactive - & probably $100.
Topper aside, nice to see these p/f racked up:
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Never seen ? anyone ever sell a topper for under $300 to $400 USA, let alone $100 but am hoping u are correct but nothing sells that cheap ?
Don't forget the topper has over a dozen different modes over and above the slow light up of each letter and u can buy one and plug it in independently of the pinball machine for a home or business.
If Stern had of built the topper into the cabinet, it would have cost more and any game without the topper would have had factory holes in it which looks crap when the Headbox is down.
When people get their hands on the toppers I am sure some will mod them and take them apart and recolour things n bulbs n plastics. I am wondering how much say the band had in it being KISS letters ? Also it os just over 8 inches tall and no larger according to Stern to meet height requirements/restrictions. Let's see how it pans out but am already feel thinking of many ways people will mod them if not happy with stock.
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in Aus dollars the Stern Kiss Topper is $500 AUD which isn't cheap and probably targeting the Kiss fans more than the pinhead fans and sure they will pay for them.
Laseriffic sell toppers from $165 to $225 which are yes acrylic but not a little more 3 dimensional but doubt many people will be keen to formally produce a topper like this as word is Gene will go after them.
http://www.laseriffic.com/product-category/pinball/toppers/
The Stern kiss topper may have different lighting effects but still not worth the $500 AUD. I agree that Stern should of added some simple lighting effect pcb board behind the logo in the trans / bg and get the same effect for $50 cost. But I am sure that some one will create a lighting kit for the logo here in the very near future.
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We need more videos to move on from this disaster #@#
you are over reacting
you play the playfield, not the topper, not the side armor
it is about the playfield and the backglass (and the music)
KISS is a great machine, Stern have done well
You and gorgar will get a kick out of owning and playing this machine
I stand by my comments, and speaking to a couple of LE buyers today, we all feel the same.
The playfield is simply awesome, and backglass is excellent, and the music can be replaced with the original recordings. so I'm VERY VERY happy with what I'm buying. That's not my gripe.
My problem is that the entire functionality of the topper is what should be INCLUDED with the Premium or at least the LE.
Thankfully the "topper" is an optional "extra". It looks crap. In fact, if the topper was supplied for free, the first thing I'd do (before replacing the cover band recordings) is to remove the topper and .. most likely give it away.
Agree with Gorgar and PBPete on this one.
$399 USA is not expensive for the factory Stern topper.
I doubt AMD will charge much for postage when they get them in.
Gorgar is correct, everyone else sells shitty Perspex toppers for the same price and they are not code enhanced or compatible.
I can't undetstand Nino why you don't like it ?
It's KISS in capital letters, the name of the band and the exact same font the band has always used.
Don't be too hasty to make your mind up on this because when it gets here and u see it fully functional, u might change your mind completely. Never say never in pinball.
I can't possibly see what else Stern could have done for a topper except stayed true to the iconic KISS letters and it will please most I would think. Judge it in person I reckon.
Also, you can change the bulbs to any colour u want I believe.
Imagine it any many different colours.
I will buy one for sure.
US$400 + Shipping + 20% mark up from AMD. It will cost around AUS$700. To put THAT into context - The original Bally KISS PINBALL would have been cheaper - AND - The strobing KISS logo was included as part of the game !!
I wonder if others have picked up on the red trim being leftovers from the AC/DC Luci ?
Like I said before - it is only a topper - no one is forced to buy it. There are literally hundreds of better and cheaper options. I'll be looking at whoever creates a mod that will incorporate the strobing effect into the LE backglass - as Swinks has mentioned.
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Music can be replaced with original recordings?
Looks like I missed something here.
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Music can be replaced with original recordings?
Looks like I missed something here.
I read somewhere that the SPIKE system would be configurable via a web browser. Apparently, a technically minded pinhead has already "cracked" the system, and one of the points raised was that many aspects of the games can be changed. There is no word from Stern, but it would be in their best interests to allow the features to be changed. All LE buyers that I have raised this with are hoping to change the songs, so hopefully we can ASAP.
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If the new hack is anything like the previous Stern system, the only issue was finding a song or grabs that were the same length of time as the song or sound you wanted to change and that if you did change the songs, it was like updating the code and wiped all settings, scores etc. No idea of the new system would be the same.
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Music can be replaced with original recordings?
Looks like I missed something here.
I read somewhere that the SPIKE system would be configurable via a web browser. Apparently, a technically minded pinhead has already "cracked" the system, and one of the points raised was that many aspects of the games can be changed. There is no word from Stern, but it would be in their best interests to allow the features to be changed. All LE buyers that I have raised this with are hoping to change the songs, so hopefully we can ASAP.
It's a shame that the original recordings were not included in the first place.
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Music can be replaced with original recordings?
Looks like I missed something here.
I read somewhere that the SPIKE system would be configurable via a web browser. Apparently, a technically minded pinhead has already "cracked" the system, and one of the points raised was that many aspects of the games can be changed. There is no word from Stern, but it would be in their best interests to allow the features to be changed. All LE buyers that I have raised this with are hoping to change the songs, so hopefully we can ASAP.
It's a shame that the original recordings were not included in the first place.
Band politics, and bad business. The main reason I have not paid for one single KISS item since 2001. The original recordings sound awesome. Some have really crap production, and they are raw. But they embody what KISS was about in the 70's. Note that almost ALL songs on the KISS pinball are originally recorded by the original members. By re recording the originals with the cover band line up, they don't have to pay Ace or Peter royalties on the music. This was done so that IF anyone wanted to use KISS music, then they were forced to use the covers (which is what they really are). If Stern wanted to use the original recordings, they would have to have that argument with the bands label. They would decline and forward the covers. What Gene and Paul did was ensure Ace and Peter don't get a cent (and Vinnie Vincent for "Lick it Up" and "I Love it loud").
The irony is that the music that KISS will be remember for, is from the first 8 studio and 2 live recordings. By re recording the popular tracks and making it available to license, is a disgrace - and one of the reasons I don't follow the tribute band line up. They are still my favorite band of all time (1973-2003), and I acknowledge that they still fill arenas across the globe to this day. But taken in context, they are doing this by dressing up Eric as Peter, Tommy as Ace, and playing 90% of the setlist from the 70's.. A nostalgia cover band. Even the RARHOF would not acknowledge ANY of KISS' contribution post 1979 when inducted last year.
Back on topic - I own the original recordings, so I can use them on my pinball as I see fit. As soon as I am able to replace the songs, I will !
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I know various people are already claiming they have cracked the SPIKETM software programs but I don't believe it.
You would have seen someone showing off their genius on YouTube already.
Also, everytime you do a software code upgrade, isn't that going to reset everything.
Again, the KISS machines haven't arrived yet and no person has heard the songs so again I see a lot of assumptions re the sound etc etc. Maybe people won't be able to change the songs, maybe the code won't be hacked.
I wouldn't get my hopes up on being able to 100 percent play with Sterns code. Warranty issues, making the machine inoperable and then the Stern code updates won't work, there is a lot of risk here playing with Sterns code.
Who can trust some hackers code ? On a $7850 to $11,000 machine, big risk.
It would be bad if the only way to fix it was to buy a complete new computer board, and that could be VERY expensive.
Unless Stern and the band release the orig songs and the code for it, the small percentage of people wanting to upload hackers software might get stuck, or even worse, a dead BNIB pinny.
Wait for the machines in person. You might like what KISS and the band/Stern have installed from factory ?
(Also, how tight arse is Gene Simmons denying Ace and the other band member royalties ? It's not like Gene isn't worth a few billion dollars ?)
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I will get a quote from AMD for the KISS topper in Aust dollars cause the suggested $700 sounds too much when the orig price is $399 USA ? Who knows if AMD will or won't mark it up ?
Perhaps the topper will be a better price for any person ordering a KISS Pinball from AMD ?
Shall report back once I get a email from Bruce or Michael for those interested.
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I know various people are already claiming they have cracked the SPIKETM software programs but I don't believe it.
You would have seen someone showing off their genius on YouTube already.
Also, everytime you do a software code upgrade, isn't that going to reset everything.
Again, the KISS machines haven't arrived yet and no person has heard the songs so again I see a lot of assumptions re the sound etc etc. Maybe people won't be able to change the songs, maybe the code won't be hacked.
I wouldn't get my hopes up on being able to 100 percent play with Sterns code. Warranty issues, making the machine inoperable and then the Stern code updates won't work, there is a lot of risk here playing with Sterns code.
Who can trust some hackers code ? On a $7850 to $11,000 machine, big risk.
It would be bad if the only way to fix it was to buy a complete new computer board, and that could be VERY expensive.
Unless Stern and the band release the orig songs and the code for it, the small percentage of people wanting to upload hackers software might get stuck, or even worse, a dead BNIB pinny.
Wait for the machines in person. You might like what KISS and the band/Stern have installed from factory ?
(Also, how tight arse is Gene Simmons denying Ace and the other band member royalties ? It's not like Gene isn't worth a few billion dollars ?)
One of the guys dumped the code on a pinside thread. It's done. It is a Linux platform, so it won't be long before Linux Gurus jump on the code and make improvements. No doubt SPIKE will have its own Homebrew implementation within months.
Music is the re recorded cover band versions. It has been on all Stern Facebook updates. This is fact. NOT the original recordings.
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I will get a quote from AMD for the KISS topper in Aust dollars cause the suggested $700 sounds too much when the orig price is $399 USA ? Who knows if AMD will or won't mark it up ?
Perhaps the topper will be a better price for any person ordering a KISS Pinball from AMD ?
Shall report back once I get a email from Bruce or Michael for those interested.
As mentioned several times - Stern / AMD are in this "to make a profit". There will be a mark up from AMD. It will cost at least AUS$700.. I can see it being reduced after Stern realize that they are a rip off.
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Zax might give a better deal on the topper (for those keen). It will definitely be over $600 (if no mark-up) and probably $699 (with mark-up). To put it in perspective this is more than a colordmd for another game - it should play Looney Tunes music if anyone wastes that much cash on one.
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Rather than just guess what the price will be, I am going to get a quote on the topper for myself.
Speculating what the price probably is, compared to getting an actual quote is a waste of time for me personally. I will get a precise and proper quote.
As a repeat customer of AMD, they do not always place profit on top of every item for every customer.
I can speak from experience with probably 50 or more Stern translites, various parts plus shaker motors and delivery etc etc over many years.
Excluding pinball machine purchases, they did not make a cent off me once and although I was happy to pay a mark up, was never charged. That is very generous from any business but not unheard of.
This, combined with AMD,s perfect service, is why I always speak highly of Bruce and Michael.
If they charge me a handling fee or percentage, no big deal, but many people who have personally dealt with AMD will know that AMD never ,always make a profit on every transaction.
Another reason I have always been highly appreciative of Stern USA, is that when I have dealt with their parts dept, they also have 90 percent of the time charged me a lot less than their website prices and sometimes sent me items and have labelled the invoice as "free" - goodwill to existing Stern customer. Their customer loyalty has been better than words can describe. Between AMD and Stern, some of the nicest business people on the planet.
You don't have to be a repeat customer only of AMD or Stern to get this great service, I have many collector friends who have experienced the same as I have described above and they haven't bought a new pin before. Just got looked after.
If I pay over $399 USA plus postage for the topper, no big deal, but I won't know til I get my invoice/quote for the machine/shaker/delivery/topper etc.
Even if I only bought the topper by itself, I still need to get an actual quote cause guessing what it will be won't help me.
And yes, I understand the machine apparently has the re-recorded songs on it as per the bands direction.
But is anyone seriously going to risk hacked software being uploaded to a BNIB machine. I certainly would not.
But others are welcome and I hope it works for them.
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How has AMD provided Stern mods on the other games as their adds suggest the parts are only available from them, not distributors.
I reckon it will be close to one of these options - $560 or $700 or $799
1. if AMD can buy directly similar to the games (so they get a profit out of the $400 USD) and the MRRP is $400 USD = $510 AUD + $50 freight minimum = $560 AUD
2. You buy direct from Stern a topper and freight over - $399 USD + $150 USD freight = $500 USD = $700 AUD
3. AMD buy for $400 USD + freight $25 with a heap of other things = $425 USD = $545 AUD + AMD's 25% margin ($136) + 10% GST ($68) + freight ($50) = $799 AUD
Also Stern made a comment suggesting that a different translite may be available so the Kiss on the translite isn't there if you go for a KISS topper to avoid the double up.
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Wow - alternate translite to support the topper. I'm going to send an email to Bruce & ask the topper price - will see if he knows yet. My guess remains Aus $699 - we should run a guessing comp (winner is allowed to NOT have a topper on their Kiss machine) %.%
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I think I agree with the song upgrades being a waste of time. I'm guessing a software update will probably wipe them out, so depending on the time and effort to reinstall the original songs, I'd probably give up on the idea.
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seems like Stern are seeing the market for mods but reckon on a mission to squeeze some of the mod suppliers out as well as cashing in as well - here is our 3 new kiss machines $, please buy, oh now we have mods at crazy prices $$, oh and here is a bloody expensive cool topper $$$, do you want it, but it would look better with our other transite without the Kiss logo $$$$ ....
also saw that they will be offering 4 different custom approved shooter plungers - probably signature logo ones - wonder if they will be between $50 - $75 USD.
I am not bothered just an observation and I have a few kiss plungers coming from Shapeways for fun
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seems like Stern are seeing the market for mods but reckon on a mission to squeeze some of the mod suppliers out as well as cashing in as well - here is our 3 new kiss machines $, please buy, oh now we have mods at crazy prices $$, oh and here is a bloody expensive cool topper $$$, do you want it, but it would look better with our other transite without the Kiss logo $$$$ ....
also saw that they will be offering 4 different custom approved shooter plungers - probably signature logo ones - wonder if they will be between $50 - $75 USD.
I am not bothered just an observation and I have a few kiss plungers coming from Shapeways for fun
Swinksy, you always tell it how it is ^^^
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Swinksy, to answer your question re Stern mods, Stern USA directs Aust customers to AMD so you recieve anything electrical that is designed for Australian 240 volts and all parts orders and prices are referred to AMD.
Stern USA can confirm part numbers and parts avail abilities etc etc, and some times pricing, but you are asked to order thru AMD. Always worked in the past well.
AMD will have a batch of toppers arrive with their first Kiss pinny container if not beforehand. AMD often recieve pallet loads of Stern parts from the USA seperate from the pinny airfreight or Seafreight containers.
$399 USA is a end user retail price, not the distributor wholesale price for countries outside the USA. Official quote arriving soon I hope.
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seems like Stern are seeing the market for mods but reckon on a mission to squeeze some of the mod suppliers out as well as cashing in as well - here is our 3 new kiss machines $, please buy, oh now we have mods at crazy prices $$, oh and here is a bloody expensive cool topper $$$, do you want it, but it would look better with our other transite without the Kiss logo $$$$ ....
also saw that they will be offering 4 different custom approved shooter plungers - probably signature logo ones - wonder if they will be between $50 - $75 USD.
I am not bothered just an observation and I have a few kiss plungers coming from Shapeways for fun
What Stern have done in the past and pushing ridiculously with KISS, is adding "option"s and "extras" which should be included with at least the LE and possibly for the Premium. The "extras" should be pitched more for the PRO buyers, who can be selective with "extras" to build their game up. They don't get the extra features as a Premium or LE, but they can add stuff as they go along and really have a "personalized" game.
What is blatantly obvious is that KISS is a massive windfall, so the "brains trust" need to make up for the bomb that was the Wrestlemania machine.
Surprise surprise - I see alternate translites are being made for modders in the USA, and now the (unconfirmed) reports that Stern are doing at least one alternate. Could be a good thing, but you know what they say - "Monkey see, Monkey do"..
I have no doubt is would be something around the idea that Stern used for Luci. A "Love Gun" version - the artwork on that album cover is their best.
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Maybe make your own mods?
A mech to shoot fireballs out of the back box
A gun just above the DMD that sqirts blood
Bigger speakers mounted on the sides of the backbox
Or new front legs that look like Genes boots
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Happy US memorial day AP members ^^^
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Happy US memorial day AP members ^^^
Are you American?
More like happy one more sleep til Origin game 1
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Can we please keep this thread on topic about the awesomeness of the KISS pinball event!¡!!!!!
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Happy US memorial day AP members ^^^
Are you American?
More like happy one more sleep til Origin game 1
No, but if it wasn't for the US we wouldn't have pinball as we know it today or the coolest pinball playfield made in over a decade about to hit YOUR games room (I know you are gunna get one, you're just playing hard to get %$%). "Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud...".
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I just want to add that I'm pumped about getting my KISS LE. Such a fantastic art package and I can't wait for the next Stern video.
Happy camper here - no doubt.
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Happy US memorial day AP members ^^^
Are you American?
More like happy one more sleep til Origin game 1
No, but if it wasn't for the US we wouldn't have pinball as we know it today or the coolest pinball playfield made in over a decade about to hit YOUR games room (I know you are gunna get one, you're just playing hard to get %$%). "Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud...".
Shine on you crazy diamond!
QUEENSLANDER!
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I just want to add that I'm pumped about getting my KISS LE. Such a fantastic art package and I can't wait for the next Stern video.
Happy camper here - no doubt.
That's more like it :)
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Happy US memorial day AP members ^^^
Are you American?
More like happy one more sleep til Origin game 1
No, but if it wasn't for the US we wouldn't have pinball as we know it today or the coolest pinball playfield made in over a decade about to hit YOUR games room (I know you are gunna get one, you're just playing hard to get %$%). "Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud...".
Shine on you crazy diamond!
QUEENSLANDER!
Stop your raving & drooling* (& then get back on topic).
* Please note musical reference.
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I just want to add that I'm pumped about getting my KISS LE. Such a fantastic art package and I can't wait for the next Stern video.
Happy camper here - no doubt.
That's more like it :)
Couldn't be more excited (except premiums come in October - can you believe that - what a wait). Worth the extra for the LE just for the earlier arrival. AMD said waiting for info from Stern so they can give a price on the extras.
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Everyone is happy again. Great.
Who will be the first to post their BNIB KISS unboxings video ?
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Updated video of spinning disc which plays great, fast and random.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/35138159505/permalink/10152965925809506/
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Updated video of spinning disc which plays great fast and random.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/35138159505/permalink/10152965925809506/
Has there been any indication what the surface of the spinning disc is? I am guessing it would be a decal of some sorts similar to Fireball Classic or TMNT???
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Updated video of spinning disc which plays great, fast and random.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/35138159505/permalink/10152965925809506/
Ta Gorgar1. Seems to come out slower than Tron? (good thing IMO, Tron seems to fly out like Meatloaf when he could sing).
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Updated video of spinning disc which plays great, fast and random.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/35138159505/permalink/10152965925809506/
Ta Gorgar1. Seems to come out slower than Tron? (good thing IMO, Tron seems to fly out like Meatloaf when he could sing).
Yes slower than Tron but I guess as there's also an up kicker behind it for the ball to feed onto Genes tongue the disc can't be to aggressive :)
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Would a magnet have been better to use in this instance? Re addams or swep1
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Would a magnet have been better to use in this instance? Re addams or swep1
Nah sick of magnets to predictable, the disc gives some variation :) nice change I'm thinking.
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There is a scope on the game, so the slow spinner exit probably balance well the fast scope. You don't want everything to be the same on the one game. I think it works reasonably OK.
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Would a magnet have been better to use in this instance? Re addams or swep1
Nah sick of magnets to predictable, the disc gives some variation :) nice change I'm thinking.
+1
I hate magnets on games.
Stern's FBB page has the sideart decal application. Took 2 minutes to place the sideart on one side. Amazing.
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Nino, first NIB for you
Now you are looking at Facebook
It is a crazy 2015
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Yeah Nino how quick was the side art applied :) doing it everyday it becomes second nature I suppose :)
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Nino, first NIB for you
Now you are looking at Facebook
It is a crazy 2015
My first personal NIB - Yes - and I'm counting the sleeps. I remember the day - vividly - when we unboxed the many NIB 1978 KISS machines. There is something VERY special about the day my Stern KISS arrives for many reasons.
FB - Yes - I HATE Facebook, and I'm not on FB - but my Business IS. I've thought about closing it down several times as I get too much work from it !
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Some more game play video of the pro :)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153318884894244/
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Effing awesome !
Loving the animations other than I'd like to see the font of the KISS logo set as original - ie - "KISS Combo". As soon as a ColorDMD is done if this game = $#$
Really like the gameplay and flow - I know it is early, but I just can't wait to play it !
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First pictures of the LE metallic side artwork :) looks awesome
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Some more game play video of the pro :)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153318884894244/
The flow is exceptional!
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I good idea for a mod for the LE would be to run a strip of small LED lights across the bottom edges of the cabinet and backbox, such that it lights up the sides (kind of like a stumpy LED strip cabinet wings). It would reflect nicely on the metallic paint.
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stern kiss mods
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Cool flyer thanks for posting :) I've ordered a topper it's so cool but I didn't know the inside panel artwork was around :) I might have to order those to a least they won't get scratched :)
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Cool flyer thanks for posting :) I've ordered a topper it's so cool but I didn't know the inside panel artwork was around :) I might have to order those to a least they won't get scratched :)
you will still have to be careful as had side decals on the congo and were scratched in sections so removed them as well as a little bit of paint on the sides ....
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My favourite was always Ace Frehly.
What a cool name and his lead guitar work, espescially in "I was made for Loving You" was great.
Also, he must have been someone's favourite who was involved in the Sci-Fi show Stargate Atlantis because one of the Wraith Generals, known as "Todd" has the same distinctive Ace facial tattoo. For those who know the show and are
Sci-fi fans, you will know what I am talking about.
The Ace artwork on the KISS machine is looking dam fine.
Can't wait to see more. Stern is on fire with this one.
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It never ceases to amaze me how much of the original bands influence has crossed so many other formats. Ace is my favorite. His best work was done in the mid to late 70's. His solo album in 1978 is one of the best records I've ever heard. His guitar work on the iconic "Alive !" album in 1975 is legendary. So much so, that hundreds of guitarists were influenced. There was a gap between Hendrix and Van Halen, and Ace was the man who filled it. Ace was fingertapping years before Van Halen. Pearl Jam to Garth Brooks, Lenny Kravitz to Immortal, Taylor Swift to Anthrax. Ace himself was the reason many picked up the guitar - Dimebag Darrell, John 5, Slash, Mike Mcready, Scott Ian, Dave Ghrol and Tom Morello. Most of the 80's Metal scene AND early Grunge points back to Early KISS.
Inducted into the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" last year. The RARHOF did everything they could to keep KISS out of the RARHOF, until the vote went public. In the first year the vote went public, KISS received the most votes (ahead of another band they influenced - Nirvana).
for those that don't understand the band or it's influence - watch this video that sums up the band as many remember them when they were the biggest band on the planet ;
"Critics be damned"
Favorite quote from Ace ;
Tom Snyder - "You are kinda like a Space Man ?"
Ace Frehley - "No, actually I'm a plumber..."
How is this related to the KISS pinball ? The INFLUENCE of KISS on "normal" people that become abnormal "KISS fans". To but it bluntly, I bought this game because it has ACE on it. If it was not Ace, I would not have even considered it. The music is 80% from the classic lineup.
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There's a pro being air freighted to Sydney by an operator and will arrive in 9 days :) a top Aussie player is going to do a video and review :) can't wait to see and hear there thoughts. A pinside guy played one at Stern see his review below:
Quick review:
Shots
The ramps were smooth as silk. They can both be hit from both flippers. The right ramp is tight (not Avengers tight, but tight enough). The Starman shot is tight as well, but very satisfying. It does not slow down the game as the ball does not spend a lot of time in there. Combos were not easy, but very make-able. The game flowed really well. In my first game, I hit 39 combos (and was proud to put my name on Stern's game as the Combo Champ). The shot through the pops is great and I was able to hit it two or three times in a row. There are no breaks in this game. It felt a little like an AC/DC Pro in that way - Quick and smooth, but not easy.
Art
The game is a stunner. You have all seen the pictures, but photos do not do it justice. The backglass fits perfectly with the theme and may be the nicest one Stern has ever made. It looks like something I would have tried to win at the carnival in 1979 as the top prize. The cabinet is HD and the playfield is bright, but nothing is a distraction. It all comes together beautifully.
Lighting
It is really too early to pass judgement here because many of the lighting effects have not been coded into the game. There are more color changing LED's in this game than I have ever seen in a pro. Even the pops are color changers.
Music
First thing I noticed was that this is not the "normal" Stern sound system. I could not turn it up, but the music was bright and clear. It had a little extra "oomph" coming from the low end as well.
Overall, I really think this game can be a huge winner for Stern. We all know that it will come down to code. I was still on version .54, but I couild see where it was going and can't wait to play this game again.
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Sterns Facebook page sites are worth looking at.
Multiple stuff being loaded daily.
Stern are using social media very well and are answering all questions and are being very open whether it's a pat on the back or a criticism. Maybe they have someone new who is devoted to social media cause it is paying off for them.
George Gomez is answering questions on facebook a lot, as is Borgy and sometimes Steve R.
Pretty cool when these cool guys answer your questions within minutes or live. Don't get better than that !
Did anyone else know Sci Fi has been using the Ace Frehly face tattoo,s on Stargate ?
Wonder what chrome around the Headbox and chrome side rails n lockdown bar and hinges would look like on a Kiss Pro ? Might fit the 70,s feel of the translite, add mirror blades and u have a chrome shinning beauty with chrome legs as well. I reckon chrome everywhere will make the Pro pop bigtime.
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There's a pro being air freighted to Sydney by an operator and will arrive in 9 days :) a top Aussie player is going to do a video and review :) can't wait to see and hear there thoughts. A pinside guy played one at Stern see his review below:
Quick review:
Shots
The ramps were smooth as silk. They can both be hit from both flippers. The right ramp is tight (not Avengers tight, but tight enough). The Starman shot is tight as well, but very satisfying. It does not slow down the game as the ball does not spend a lot of time in there. Combos were not easy, but very make-able. The game flowed really well. In my first game, I hit 39 combos (and was proud to put my name on Stern's game as the Combo Champ). The shot through the pops is great and I was able to hit it two or three times in a row. There are no breaks in this game. It felt a little like an AC/DC Pro in that way - Quick and smooth, but not easy.
Art
The game is a stunner. You have all seen the pictures, but photos do not do it justice. The backglass fits perfectly with the theme and may be the nicest one Stern has ever made. It looks like something I would have tried to win at the carnival in 1979 as the top prize. The cabinet is HD and the playfield is bright, but nothing is a distraction. It all comes together beautifully.
Lighting
It is really too early to pass judgement here because many of the lighting effects have not been coded into the game. There are more color changing LED's in this game than I have ever seen in a pro. Even the pops are color changers.
Music
First thing I noticed was that this is not the "normal" Stern sound system. I could not turn it up, but the music was bright and clear. It had a little extra "oomph" coming from the low end as well.
Overall, I really think this game can be a huge winner for Stern. We all know that it will come down to code. I was still on version .54, but I couild see where it was going and can't wait to play this game again.
This is a great start. I stand by my thinking that this will be the best game Stern has ever released (& perhaps ever will). Very glad to hear about the ramp shots, the other shots, & from this review & what we saw in the vids the flow is certainly looking like a winner. Code will of course matter but if already satisfying then all should be good.
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Looks like the fans will be happy, not much there if your not a fan of the band though.
It's a easy pass for me.
Wonder what the next Stern title will be and will there be another price rise?
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There's a pro being air freighted to Sydney by an operator and will arrive in 9 days :) a top Aussie player is going to do a video and review :) can't wait to see and hear there thoughts. A pinside guy played one at Stern see his review below:
Quick review:
Shots
The ramps were smooth as silk. They can both be hit from both flippers. The right ramp is tight (not Avengers tight, but tight enough). The Starman shot is tight as well, but very satisfying. It does not slow down the game as the ball does not spend a lot of time in there. Combos were not easy, but very make-able. The game flowed really well. In my first game, I hit 39 combos (and was proud to put my name on Stern's game as the Combo Champ). The shot through the pops is great and I was able to hit it two or three times in a row. There are no breaks in this game. It felt a little like an AC/DC Pro in that way - Quick and smooth, but not easy.
Art
The game is a stunner. You have all seen the pictures, but photos do not do it justice. The backglass fits perfectly with the theme and may be the nicest one Stern has ever made. It looks like something I would have tried to win at the carnival in 1979 as the top prize. The cabinet is HD and the playfield is bright, but nothing is a distraction. It all comes together beautifully.
Lighting
It is really too early to pass judgement here because many of the lighting effects have not been coded into the game. There are more color changing LED's in this game than I have ever seen in a pro. Even the pops are color changers.
Music
First thing I noticed was that this is not the "normal" Stern sound system. I could not turn it up, but the music was bright and clear. It had a little extra "oomph" coming from the low end as well.
Overall, I really think this game can be a huge winner for Stern. We all know that it will come down to code. I was still on version .54, but I couild see where it was going and can't wait to play this game again.
This is a great start. I stand by my thinking that this will be the best game Stern has ever released (& perhaps ever will). Very glad to hear about the ramp shots, the other shots, & from this review & what we saw in the vids the flow is certainly looking like a winner. Code will of course matter but if already satisfying then all should be good.
Codes always slow with stern probably because they release 3 games a year :) I'm hoping with the spike system code may be quicker but I'm certainly no expert but in the end they end up a fun well coded game look how good TWD is now but you need to be patient.
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Looks like the fans will be happy, not much there if your not a fan of the band though.
It's a easy pass for me.
Wonder what the next Stern title will be and will there be another price rise?
Hey Cow Corner. What don't you like about the game with what we've seen so far?
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It's KISS, theme sucks the big one imo.
Other than that it just looks meh...not a lot to get excited about for me....dots do look good though.
But at the end of the day it is just another over-priced and under-done Stern.
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Why is the coding always so under done? Is it that complicated and time consuming or does stern need more programmers or what? Stern seem to not have too much trouble getting games out so I'm thinking lots of engineers and not many programmers. Please enlighten me.
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Funny, everyone keeps talking about the music!
Why wouldn't you just play their music on something better than a pinball machine and play a pinball machine that isn't KISS related? Something that doesn't look like a technicolor yawn! !*! I will get flack for that.
Looks like a bit of fun to be had and I'm sure the ARMY will be stoked.
Although like AC/DC and Metallica it pisses me off hearing part songs all the time.
Pinball for pinball and music for a jukebox %$%
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The mode where u can play music when not playing a game on the ACDC Pinny now turns it into a jukebox. The audio even on the Pro is as good as any decent stereo and it can be cranked up real loud.
I play songs on my ACDC all the time when not playing a game. A lot of fun and the DMD cycles thru its various annimations and everything is flashing n lit etc. Very cool.
I imagine the Metallica and Kiss pinnys do/will have the same.
All these new pinnys look better in person colour wise compared to photos n videos etc.
I am like Nino, dying to see one in the flesh.
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Why is the coding always so under done? Is it that complicated and time consuming or does stern need more programmers or what? Stern seem to not have too much trouble getting games out so I'm thinking lots of engineers and not many programmers. Please enlighten me.
because they can
it is easy for the buyer to update the code, so there is no reason for stern to get the software finished before the game ships
coding cost money
I have notice that each time a game goes back into production, new coding is done
therefore , the more popular a game is, the better the software will be
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WOW ! - Stern are delusional if they think anyone would pay these prices ;
U.S. Domestic Retail Pricing:
KISS pinball topper - $399.99
KISS pinball inside art blades - $79.99
KISS pinball shooter knobs and rod -$79.99
Kiss pinball armor kit: - $499.99
All of the above - Should be included with the LE.
Absolute daylight robbery. Thank God KISS will be my first and last NIB purchase from Stern.
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Funny, everyone keeps talking about the music!
Why wouldn't you just play their music on something better than a pinball machine and play a pinball machine that isn't KISS related? Something that doesn't look like a technicolor yawn! !*! I will get flack for that.
No flack from me. IMHO the cab art is one of the worst Stern have released. You'd have to be a KISS fan to think otherwise. The original KISS games can get away with the over sized heads, but the colours on this release looks incredibly tacky.
As for the playfield and BG, I think they've done a great job. Far too early to judge the gameplay based on the video that has been released. No doubt it's a winner for KISS fans, but the cabinet makes it a big no for me.
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What have been nice to have band signatures on the PF's lol like this lucky dude :)
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Funny, everyone keeps talking about the music!
Why wouldn't you just play their music on something better than a pinball machine and play a pinball machine that isn't KISS related? Something that doesn't look like a technicolor yawn! !*! I will get flack for that.
No flack from me. IMHO the cab art is one of the worst Stern have released. You'd have to be a KISS fan to think otherwise. The original KISS games can get away with the over sized heads, but the colours on this release looks incredibly tacky.
As for the playfield and BG, I think they've done a great job. Far too early to judge the gameplay based on the video that has been released. No doubt it's a winner for KISS fans, but the cabinet makes it a big no for me.
Agree 100% cab art is ordinary..that said, i am not a fan of the band and can't get over the fact they are adults prancing around in makeup. However pf looks amazing and shots look quite good.
Nino, i dont think stern are delusional, they are taking the opportunity as people will buy this stuff for a range of reasons from they like it and think it looks great through to they have to have the best of everything....all of which i have no issue with, just i personally wouldn't shell the cash for the extras. There are a few people who have already indicated they have ordered some of the extras, so probably a smart business move from stern.
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Funny, everyone keeps talking about the music!
Why wouldn't you just play their music on something better than a pinball machine and play a pinball machine that isn't KISS related? Something that doesn't look like a technicolor yawn! !*! I will get flack for that.
No flack from me. IMHO the cab art is one of the worst Stern have released. You'd have to be a KISS fan to think otherwise. The original KISS games can get away with the over sized heads, but the colours on this release looks incredibly tacky.
As for the playfield and BG, I think they've done a great job. Far too early to judge the gameplay based on the video that has been released. No doubt it's a winner for KISS fans, but the cabinet makes it a big no for me.
Agree 100% cab art is ordinary..that said, i am not a fan of the band and can't get over the fact they are adults prancing around in makeup. However pf looks amazing and shots look quite good.
Nino, i dont think stern are delusional, they are taking the opportunity as people will buy this stuff for a range of reasons from they like it and think it looks great through to they have to have the best of everything....all of which i have no issue with, just i personally wouldn't shell the cash for the extras. There are a few people who have already indicated they have ordered some of the extras, so probably a smart business move from stern.
Playfield art is definitely better than the cab. Re the extras I think it's a mistake by Stern - it trades off brand loyalty for a short-term cash grab. If I was buying the LE it would piss me off - it's like buying a 7 series BMW with every option, drive it off the lot, & the next week BMW sends me a pamphlet on new alloys as the top of the line ones I bought this week aren't cool enough. Dumb & greedy move.
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I wonder how much of the pricing is due to the royalties that they have to pay the band on these extras? I understand they are VERY ruthless when it comes to doing deals.
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They could have included the extras with the LE's ....
but...
you would have ended up paying the same price anyway as Stern would've bumped the price up to accommodate . Would you guys who ordered LE's been happy to have all the extras but have a $12500 or $13000 price tag ?
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They could have included the extras with the LE's ....
but...
you would have ended up paying the same price anyway as Stern would've bumped the price up to accommodate . Would you guys who ordered LE's been happy to have all the extras but have a $12500 or $13000 price tag ?
my guess is no and in that case it is best to be an option so an owner can decide to buy or not the extras
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Funny, everyone keeps talking about the music!
Why wouldn't you just play their music on something better than a pinball machine and play a pinball machine that isn't KISS related? Something that doesn't look like a technicolor yawn! !*! I will get flack for that.
No flack from me. IMHO the cab art is one of the worst Stern have released. You'd have to be a KISS fan to think otherwise. The original KISS games can get away with the over sized heads, but the colours on this release looks incredibly tacky.
As for the playfield and BG, I think they've done a great job. Far too early to judge the gameplay based on the video that has been released. No doubt it's a winner for KISS fans, but the cabinet makes it a big no for me.
Agree 100% cab art is ordinary..that said, i am not a fan of the band and can't get over the fact they are adults prancing around in makeup. However pf looks amazing and shots look quite good.
Nino, i dont think stern are delusional, they are taking the opportunity as people will buy this stuff for a range of reasons from they like it and think it looks great through to they have to have the best of everything....all of which i have no issue with, just i personally wouldn't shell the cash for the extras. There are a few people who have already indicated they have ordered some of the extras, so probably a smart business move from stern.
I concur it is a business decision - and we all know Stern are doing this to make money. It is not JUST this title. I'm not at all pleased with the idea that Stern have to shut down the modders BECAUSE they are not making money out of them. In context, I don't really like mods, but I like the creativity of modders who are in most cases adding mods that should have been part of the game to start with. It is greed. Nothing more, nothing less. Usually, I keep my opinion to myself, but I bought an LE SOLELY because the art package is based on the original line up - well it is a 90% "originals" pinball. So if I see or hear something I don't like, I can be viewed as being "over reactive" - But everyone knows I have a pinball addiction, and the original line up of KISS is my favorite band of all time. I REALLY like TWD LE and even after I gave it a 9/10 I was still criticized. I ALMOST bought a TWD LE - I was very close. So I'm going to be "vocal", and when I see something that is a blatant "cash grab" to slam modders and rip off KISS fans - I'm going to say it. Suffice to say, now I fully appreciate the Stern LE buyer's point about an "LE" not really being an "LE" until Stern release "extras" and "options" that are supposed to be part of the LE to begin with.
KISS fans buy ANYTHING and are cashed up. Certainly, I will be PROMOTING the hell out of this title when it is released - but I would not dare to mention the "extras" and "options". Considering all the LEs are gone, it is a GREAT idea for PRO buyers - but the point still is that the prices on the options are robbery !
It is an insult to LE buyers, but an expensive option to PRO buyers that want to bling their games up to the LE level - ie - make their games unique.
Stern are delusional from the point of view that I'm a first time NIB EXCITED LE buyer. I'm sure I'm going to be bias and love the game - BUT - I'll never buy another NIB Stern - especially an LE - because with Stern, it is an "LE" until the "options" and "extras" are released.
I love everything about the game so far, but I'm not at all impressed with the way they price their "extras". Throw them in the goody bag for the LE buyers and offer the topper for 1/2 price.
They could have included the extras with the LE's ....
but...
you would have ended up paying the same price anyway as Stern would've bumped the price up to accommodate . Would you guys who ordered LE's been happy to have all the extras but have a $12500 or $13000 price tag ?
So there is $2000 worth of value for an LE ?
Mirrored Backglass - $250
Gary Stern signed plaque - $ ? 30 seconds of his time on a piece of cardboard.
Shiney silver decals - $250 - how much more will they cost to print ?
Leftover Trim from Luci - $0 = LE buyers are doing Stern the favor !
I struggle to find $500 worth of value, and Stern want an extra $2000. Makes me look stupid, but I wanted the LE, because it is an "LE". If costs then stuff all extra to add the extras to an LE.
Like I said, I wanted an LE because it was a Limited run. Buy there's no way it is worth $1500 more than a Premium. Throw the extras in the LE - how bloody hard is that ? Add some REAL value and stir up more potential sales..
I'm pumped - I can't wait for mine to arrive. I'm not buying the "extras" etc, but I'm sure as hell going to LOVE unboxing my game - and I have a few KISS fans that will be playing mine before they decide to buy a Pro or Premium. I intend on leaving my game in the showroom for 2-3 weeks so people can play the game and hopefully buy one.
I'm not Stern bashing, but they make so many dumb decisions that it is not hard to be critical.
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The AC/DC LE's as well as the Star Trek LE had the detailed armour and those pins were cheaper than the KISS pin so the KISS LE should come out with the detailed armour at the very least fitted as standard and agree the topper at at least half price as a purk for the LE purchasers.
I also agree with Nino and have said it before - that Stern are seeing lost income on mods so hiring some of them for some of them to make & supply them and pushing the rest out. What they are doing is cool but armour and topper are way over the top price wise.
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How much was TWD LE nib?
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How much was TWD LE nib?
Was the same as KISS LE. There was no price increase with KISS.
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i think it was $11250
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Ok, thanks. Stern probably did think about a price increase with Kiss (given the huge fan base plus the improved pf quality) & instead moved it onto the extras. If this is what happened (& who knows except Stern & Kiss) then it would make me feel better about the mod situation.
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Ok, thanks. Stern probably did think about a price increase with Kiss (given the huge fan base plus the improved pf quality) & instead moved it onto the extras. If this is what happened (& who knows except Stern & Kiss) then it would make me feel better about the mod situation.
I think that initially, the issue will subside and pinball / KISS fans will just get on with playing the machine. No one is holding a gun to our heads telling us we have to buy anything extra above what we already have. I have it on good authority that Gary Stern wanted this license a long time ago, and I'm just happy the end result is such a really cool game. It happened - so I'm grateful.
It would be fact that KISS would want a larger chunk on the license agreement, but this was not part of the small price increase (it there was one).
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Ok, thanks. Stern probably did think about a price increase with Kiss (given the huge fan base plus the improved pf quality) & instead moved it onto the extras. If this is what happened (& who knows except Stern & Kiss) then it would make me feel better about the mod situation.
The price that i posted previous is today's the buy now price ..
but I recall it was around $10k ish at the time of the first orders..
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The Kiss Pro got a one hundred dollar increase to $7950 instead of all the other current Pro pricing at $7850.
I hope everyone is happy with their KISS machine purchases. That's the main thing.
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Mirrored LE backglass
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And video
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153342144369244/
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Gee, you don't want those playfields to fall on their faces!!!!
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I did see on Sterns FB a post with their "licensed" plunger handles. I guess that's the warning shot to anyone doing mods with a likeness or with trademarks attached.
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The Coast to coast podcast touched on the KISS license very interesting.
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I did see on Sterns FB a post with their "licensed" plunger handles. I guess that's the warning shot to anyone doing mods with a likeness or with trademarks attached.
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Gee, you don't want those playfields to fall on their faces!!!!
Yeah, they aren't too far off vertical - cripes. Hopefully if one falls it'll be saved by the size of Gene's head.
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Brett you'd better get up to Time Zone a KISS pro arrived :)
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I will go tomorrow and play it and take photos and do a review if anyone is interested.
Looking forward to seeing the KISS PRO in action and getting the feel of the shots and flow plus judge the music and DMD annimations. Seeing the Playfield colours in person plus the cabinet will be extra awesome.
Will be heavy on posting some photos etc. Thanks for the heads up Pete !
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I will go tomorrow and play it and take photos and do a review if anyone is interested.
Looking forward to seeing the KISS PRO in action and getting the feel of the shots and flow plus judge the music and DMD annimations. Seeing the Playfield colours in person plus the cabinet will be extra awesome.
Will be heavy on posting some photos etc. Thanks for the heads up Pete !
No worries mate :) it's getting very positive reviews so far and with very early code. Man that guy gets his games early I'm jealous lol. Look forward to your review.
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2x KISS Pro machines have arrived at Timezone Surfers Paradise.
First machine set up just in time for our monthly club night $#$
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Awesome. That was quick !
Stern have a new gameplay video on their FB page. More sounds and better lighting, but it still looks dark (early code - I know, I know). I can't wait to read reviews.
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Played it today at Timezone. It's a great looking playfield! I didn't know the rules so spent most of the time just aiming for the flashing shots. I can see some loooong ball time for a serious player.
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It was ok but both me and my kids liked playing Ironman much more while we were there.
My kids had a couple of games on kiss but they thought it was just strange.
Kids "Who are those funny looking people on the pinball?"
Me "They are a band from a long time ago"
Kids " Did all bands dress up like idiots up then?"
Me "No"
Kids " That's good"
Classic!
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If you like the music you will like the game. The rule card doesn't give much info but once the rules are known and after a couple of code updates I'm sure it will rock as it were. ^^^
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Here's a good pic :)
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Let's keep the KISS thread on track :) dimples has been done to death or start another thread.
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Here's a good pic :)
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AWESOME picture Pete !
I can't wait to have mine next to each other !
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Let's keep the KISS thread on track :) dimples has been done to death or start another thread.
It is on topic. Members should be able to discuss different aspects of the game in the "KISS Stern" thread :) The impact of the ball out of Gene's mouth on the playfield was a topic of speculation. Now the game is here it's a topic that can be verified one way or the other. Nothing wrong with that - in fact one could say it's the way a healthy forum operates.
Ok fair enough but steel ball pounds wood = dimples :)
Yeah okay - I'll learn to live with it. How do you like the gameplay?
Gameplay looks pretty good so far I'm hanging to see some premium/LE gameplay :) does genes head tilt forward? I hope so :) just hearing the kiss music on a pin is very exciting and I'm starting to get impatient lol. It looks to have nice flow and some tricky shots like the star child area all in all I'm happy so far.
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That's it thanks for posting :)
Looked like a lot of dead shots and one ramp hit.
code won't fix that. Maybe it is just me, actually yeah it probably is
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Are they playing KISS?
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I like how Borgy is stoked with his own work. A very good sign - like a fat chef :lol
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wonder if they site a machine here if it goes ahead
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/kiss-rock-band-tipped-to-open-restaurant-in-melbourne/story-fnn7ma1h-1227295608890
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Are they playing KISS?
Looks like someone needs to start a new thread. KISS isn't even out yet, and the question is already there: 'what is Sterns' next pin?'. Is it 'Batman Pinball Party'?
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Back on track here's a 7 min video with latest code.
http://youtu.be/ZF_fQf-2L6c
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not a stern basher either, looking forward to this one, back to videos
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Great videos thanks Jady :)
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Great videos. Lacking in call outs and sound effects. Looking forward to the code updates.
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Thanks Swinsky. 3rd vid is the charm. Looks like a pretty fast game. Pop action is great.
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Great videos. Lacking in call outs and sound effects. Looking forward to the code updates.
Call outs are key to a great pin IMO, Metallica got this right ( eventually ) with its mix.
Do you think the band will do the call outs? Not a fan, but can see why the ARMY will love it sick.
Should have a bash of one in about a weeks time and always look forward to a new pin to play.
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Gene & Paul are doing the call outs :)
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I will go tomorrow and play it and take photos and do a review if anyone is interested.
Looking forward to seeing the KISS PRO in action and getting the feel of the shots and flow plus judge the music and DMD annimations. Seeing the Playfield colours in person plus the cabinet will be extra awesome.
Will be heavy on posting some photos etc. Thanks for the heads up Pete !
Any review you do would be pointless reading due to blinkered vision
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You should go have a game and give us a review Gav .
Or would you walk away after 5 minutes on one ball due to the awesomeness of your legendary flipper skill . %.%
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The big tall person looking over the game is Todd MacCulloch, formally a NBA basketball player for Philadelphia 76ers. Now a famed pinhead. #*#.
Kinda looks like he is about to step on a tiger's tail!
...The colours on the pro side art is my favourite of the three versions.
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There isn't any magnets in this machine is there? Reason I ask is look at the third video, at 1:30 there is a major ball deviation. If it isn't a magnet it is some serious back spin on the ball after being spat out by Gene. Owners are going to want to keep their balls clean and that playfield waxed as well.
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I noticed that & replayed it about 5 times - it's freaky.
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There isn't any magnets in this machine is there? Reason I ask is look at the third video, at 1:30 there is a major ball deviation. If it isn't a magnet it is some serious back spin on the ball after being spat out by Gene. Owners are going to want to keep their balls clean and that playfield waxed as well.
Yeah how cool reminds me of Tron spin back better than Warnie lol
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You should go have a game and give us a review Gav .
Or would you walk away after 5 minutes on one ball due to the awesomeness of your legendary flipper skill . %.%
Awesome yes... legendary no.
Once I find one in the wild, ill be sure not to disappoint and post a review ^^^
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Joe at KJWHF here in WA flew one in for us to play last night, great bloke. Helped to unbox this and set up and by the end of the night finally got to play it.
First of all let me say the new STERN SPIKE system sounds firing fantastic even on this pro model. Ut has lots of wank factor and some nice ramp shots. I hope they fix the ball lock tongue shot which tends to drain quite a bit and with the next code they should put a ball save it does. The cabinet is VERY colourful and the play field is very bright, quite a few throw backs to the original. The KISS fans will be stoked *%* not for me, but I do like boat anchors %$%
Positive reviews by all who played it and it held up well after so many plays - DIMPLES AND ALL ! *)*
sorry had to write that, even WNBJM got some dimples, big deal!
I took more photos bit for some reason the focus was out, even on my Nellie shots
p.s. Nino, you are going to love it sick, you got to set it up in hard though as I find it a little easy!
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AWESOME !
Can't wait for mine.
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There isn't any magnets in this machine is there? Reason I ask is look at the third video, at 1:30 there is a major ball deviation. If it isn't a magnet it is some serious back spin on the ball after being spat out by Gene. Owners are going to want to keep their balls clean and that playfield waxed as well.
The spin is from the spinning disc in the head, when the ball isn't locked it rolls back over the disc and is spat out instead of just dribbling out of the head.
There is one in the showroom at Zax Amusements in Melbourne for those looking..
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Joe at KJWHF here in WA flew one in for us to play last night, great bloke. Helped to unbox this and set up and by the end of the night finally got to play it.
First of all let me say the new STERN SPIKE system sounds firing fantastic even on this pro model. Ut has lots of wank factor and some nice ramp shots. I hope they fix the ball lock tongue shot which tends to drain quite a bit and with the next code they should put a ball save it does. The cabinet is VERY colourful and the play field is very bright, quite a few throw backs to the original. The KISS fans will be stoked *%* not for me, but I do like boat anchors %$%
Positive reviews by all who played it and it held up well after so many plays - DIMPLES AND ALL ! *)*
sorry had to write that, even WNBJM got some dimples, big deal!
I took more photos bit for some reason the focus was out, even on my Nellie shots
p.s. Nino, you are going to love it sick, you got to set it up in hard though as I find it a little easy!
WOW! U r a lucky bugger Oldskool @@*
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the better I get, the luckier I get!
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The cabinet colours on the Pro look awesome.
I think the Pro with a shaker is the best value for money out of the 3 models at around 7950.
A lot of people are saying the Pro has the best cabinet.
My feedback is the game plays very fast and is full of fast shots.
Anyone who owns a few John Borg titles will know how good his games play.
The Translite is very 70,s and I reckon chrome moulding around the Headbox and chrome legs plus chrome side metal work would be a great combo with the Pro. Wish the Translite was less like the 78 model but it still looks great.
So many choices once the machines arrive. I can see some doing custom powdercoating on the Pro.
Some unique machines to come. Great times ahead. New code and videos are awesome.
Anyone new decided to buy one who may have been on the fence before ?
ACDC and KISS side by side will be awesome.
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Nino, you will be happy - i see a guy on Pinside has confirmed that pinball browser software can be used to change audio on the new Spike system.
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Nino, you will be happy - i see a guy on Pinside has confirmed that pinball browser software can be used to change audio on the new Spike system.
I think Stern will be happy. If this does work, it means more sales from diehards that are sitting on the fence waiting for this option. Excellent News. Hopefully someone writes a guide to doing this easily.
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Do a search on pinside for pinball browser. There is a good tutorial there and it is pretty straight forward to change songs or sounds. Changing animations is a bit more complex though.
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I managed to play one of the two new Kiss pinballs at TZ over the weekend.
Cabinet and pf artwork is just amazing, I found the demon multi ball very difficult to get. I had approx 20 games, and only got the multi ball once in 20 games !. The right target to lock a ball for multi ball is also very tight and difficult to shoot at. Its a very fast following game and when playing you tend to make more shots with the left flipper than the right.
Overall I did enjoy this game, however I think Stern need to make the multi ball easier to get. The pro would definitely make a great tournament game. I'm looking forward to playing this game some more as the code develops.
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I'm so "counting down the days". I don't even know how many days. I'm just counting them down..
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" 2000 man "
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I managed to play one of the two new Kiss pinballs at TZ over the weekend.
Cabinet and pf artwork is just amazing, I found the demon multi ball very difficult to get. I had approx 20 games, and only got the multi ball once in 20 games !. The right target to lock a ball for multi ball is also very tight and difficult to shoot at. Its a very fast following game and when playing you tend to make more shots with the left flipper than the right.
Overall I did enjoy this game, however I think Stern need to make the multi ball easier to get. The pro would definitely make a great tournament game. I'm looking forward to playing this game some more as the code develops.
The operator has probably set the adjustments in the menu settings to hardest for multiball to save Playfield wear on high use games. The games at TimeZone Surfers are probably the most used n abused games on the planet.
Glad you had some fun games Leon. Hello to wife n kids mate !
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I'm so "counting down the days". I don't even know how many days. I'm just counting them down..
Nino, If you start having nightmares involving a certain KISS LE and it is born with Frankenstein dimples all over it, call
1800 Eradicate Dimples Now Hotline. Stern staff are standing by with electric paddles and possibly a spare playfield.
There is a cure.
Tim has created a vaccine called thick clearcoat.
You will be OK. Don't allow nightmares to ruin your countdown sleeps.
Place the montage of photos of Gary Stern all over your bedroom roof and count backwards from 1000.
You will be fine in the morning.
Here is the photo montage to start counting anti clockwise with til you fall asleep.
Your KISS LE will be perfect !
And before anyone asks, I am a registered Doctor, my licence arrived in the corn flakes packet this morning and I do wear Gary Stern silk pyjamas most days to the office.
And yes, my Gary montage is already on my roof. Lol
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I'm so "counting down the days". I don't even know how many days. I'm just counting them down..
Nino, If you start having nightmares involving a certain KISS LE and it is born with Frankenstein dimples all over it, call
1800 Eradicate Dimples Now Hotline. Stern staff are standing by with electric paddles and possibly a spare playfield.
There is a cure.
Tim has created a vaccine called thick clearcoat.
You will be OK. Don't allow nightmares to ruin your countdown sleeps.
Place the montage of photos of Gary Stern all over your bedroom roof and count backwards from 1000.
You will be fine in the morning.
Here is the photo montage to start counting anti clockwise with til you fall asleep.
Your KISS LE will be perfect !
And before anyone asks, I am a registered Doctor, my licence arrived in the corn flakes packet this morning and I do wear Gary Stern silk pyjamas most days to the office.
And yes, my Gary montage is already on my roof. Lol
I'm thrilled Stern are doing a KISS machine. I fully understand that the game is a commercial device designed to attract customers to create income for operators. Now the focus is on the home market, and most astute collectors and hobbyists that I know are in two groups. Those that PLAY the game are are then for the fun factor. There are also those that simply want the best possible machine. i can see where the clearcoat dramas simply won't bother the first group, but the perfectionists amongst us want the best. I'm aware that in my case - I will want to buy a second playfield and have HRP re clear it for me. I have no issue with that - I'll pay the extra $.. But eventually, there will be enough people that will contact Stern and demand better. I can see a day where Stern will have to offer a better clearcoat. That's my only "fear" - that the clear won't hold up. I've already "assisted" two BIG KISS fans to buy a Premium - but in doing so - they ask about my purchase and question "why are you buying a second playfield ?" - NOT a good "sales pitch". Something Stern will have to tackle at some stage. When we look at HRP's cost to reclear - you would think the line manager in the clearcoat area could easily change the clearcoat process from " a quick mist coat and light coat" to - "a quick coat, light coat and two SOLID coats" - How easy would that be ? An extra 5 minutes ?
The cover band version of the music - hate it. Was not even a USA release. Japan only - a friend of mine paid $95 when it came out. I took a punt - I should be able to change the songs to the original versions - which will make the game playing experience better for me - and 95% of KISS fans that play the game. The two Premium buyers have already asked me to upgrade their sound package to the original versions. Hopefully Stern listen and make it easy for us, as the FIRST two questions always are - does the artwork have the original line up ? Is the music the original recordings, and can I add my own songs..
I'm thrilled (as if you can't tell). I'm buying mine to play and enjoy. I seriously can't wait to unbox and have the boys around for a game.
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I managed to play one of the two new Kiss pinballs at TZ over the weekend.
Cabinet and pf artwork is just amazing, I found the demon multi ball very difficult to get. I had approx 20 games, and only got the multi ball once in 20 games !. The right target to lock a ball for multi ball is also very tight and difficult to shoot at. Its a very fast following game and when playing you tend to make more shots with the left flipper than the right.
Overall I did enjoy this game, however I think Stern need to make the multi ball easier to get. The pro would definitely make a great tournament game. I'm looking forward to playing this game some more as the code develops.
The operator has probably set the adjustments in the menu settings to hardest for multiball to save Playfield wear on high use games. The games at TimeZone Surfers are probably the most used n abused games on the planet.
Glad you had some fun games Leon. Hello to wife n kids mate !
Machine should be fit for commercial use . Restricting the game to prevent wear suggests it isnt
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KISS, great band, great pinball machine!!
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Kiss LE's shipping the week of the 29 June.
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It's all good news Pete (Gorgar). ^^^
Topper will be great and glad shipping dates have been released.
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Kiss LE's shipping the week of the 29 June.
Cool :) it's getting bloody exciting.
Surprised it is happening so quickly. My LE might be here for my birthday $#$
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looks like the black spinner disc is leaving marks on the balls similar to tron and then they had to develop the clear disc pad. Just something to consider, photo from a guy in the US
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The rubber being left on the balls from the spinning disk is a feature to soften the ball strike on the clearcoat. It's the anti dimple feature!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist that one, I actually am an advocate of Stern. !*!)
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The rubber being left on the balls from the spinning disk is a feature to soften the ball strike on the clearcoat. It's the anti dimple feature!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist that one, I actually am an advocate of Stern. !*!)
It must be a preference thing - Stern decided consumers would prefer black balls to dimples.
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Was this an issue with Tron ?
Was there a fix ?
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Was this an issue with Tron ?
Was there a fix ?
they changed the rubber type and colour apparently, though you would think they would release this one with the tron solution unless that solution was aftermarket...
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Provided it doesn't affect visibility of the ball, I'd leave them black. I'd imagine it may reduce playfield wear and possibly extend the life of the ball. I can't see it harming anything.
I thought you could get 'carbon' composite balls at a premium price that look just like these 'protective' rubberised ones. you could explain "my kiss balls - they have protection" - just be sure not to say the first two words in the wrong order &&.
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More for people to be aware but the reports from the US is that spinning pad leaves black marks / rubber everywhere. Some are giving the rubber disc a clean prior to use (someone said it gave it that 1978 look). Also a few issues with smeared screen printing quality under the clear and average out of the lines Gene's head paint jobs. Hopefully Stern pickup on the QA very soon as the game looks great and many people are stoked with it, along with great sales but a few minor issues to improve on though the rubber is now widely an issue.
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More for people to be aware but the reports from the US is that spinning pad leaves black marks / rubber everywhere. Some are giving the rubber disc a clean prior to use (someone said it gave it that 1978 look). Also a few issues with smeared screen printing quality under the clear and average out of the lines Gene's head paint jobs. Hopefully Stern pickup on the QA very soon as the game looks great and many people are stoked with it, along with great sales but a few minor issues to improve on though the rubber is now widely an issue.
How does an unpopulated playfield with ink bleed/smear make it to the production line and not be classed prior as a second? The hype around this machine have caused market expectations to increase, the price has increased, yet QC is faltering.
Regarding the third pic, at least it proves what we have always suspected that Gene does dye his hair. %.%
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Checked out the one at Zak's, played well, audio quality was very good, the black trail lines were evident in the same places as the pics above, ball time was good for the few games I played, It's way more forgiving then TWD, you get a fighting chance to save the ball, ramp shots are nice & flow smooth, genes head lock shot is ok, no issues with SDTM drains, The pro really needed those drops on the RHS IMO, the star child shot is a bit meh weird, tough shot in & drops out pretty quick need to work out what the strategy is there, Was considering this title, most likely will give the pro a miss & check out the prem once it out, cab art work looks fantastic up close, ()
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Kiss pinball LIVE right now...
http://www.twitch.tv/gapinball (http://www.twitch.tv/gapinball)
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Played it again without the kids.
It is still just ok...nothing for me here besides a couple of ramp shots.
Glad I was on site playing it and couldn't really hear it as I think the music on this would surely make me very unwell indeed.
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You would think the spinning disk black residue would have picked up on the test games ? Is it all games, or just a problem with a handful ?
Regarding the lack of QA on the playfields - This is crap ! How many pairs of eyes have seen this problem on the assembly lines and NOT reported it !*!
The Gene head painted by a 2 year old - Are Stern serious ?? Was this a joke or for real ? I have trouble believing that this was on a customer's game. I wonder how Borg or Gary Stern would feel that SOME games are slipping through QA that have VISUAL problems that are easy to identify.
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Have you thought that maybe Sterns level of QC is the black smudges?... You see it as a fault, Stern sees it as being acceptable, after all - it has passed.
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Have you thought that maybe Sterns level of QC is the black smudges?... You see it as a fault, Stern sees it as being acceptable, after all - it has passed.
If "anyone" sees this as being acceptable at Stern then there will problems selling future games. I may be a very fussy collector / hobbyist, but there are three KISS Premium buyers waiting to see the build quality "in person" and if I was to tell them that "craters", black smudges, a hand painted Gene head by a 2 year old artist and playfield artwork issues is "acceptable", then I can see their $ going to something else..
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Have you thought that maybe Sterns level of QC is the black smudges?... You see it as a fault, Stern sees it as being acceptable, after all - it has passed.
If "anyone" sees this as being acceptable at Stern then there will problems selling future games. I may be a very fussy collector / hobbyist, but there are three KISS Premium buyers waiting to see the build quality "in person" and if I was to tell them that "craters", black smudges, a hand painted Gene head by a 2 year old artist and playfield artwork issues is "acceptable", then I can see their $ going to something else..
I wonder if Stern feels the Kiss Army won't care?
Stern QC = oxymoron.
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The heads are hand painted by many different people so how would anyone seriously think every head paint job is going to be perfect. ?
Any car or jetski or any mass produced engineered mechanical device "first" off the production line may have small faults cause as humans we don't get every single thing right the first time.
That's why I have never bought the absolute first shipment of any new Ford, Holden or Toyota for my company vehicles. I let the production line "settle" , work itself out then buy a short or medium time later when the wrinkles have been ironed out.
If you rush in and order a pinball title sight unseen and insist on the very limited LE then you have to accept humans are getting used to the new product, new production line and methods and brand new product.
No company incl Stern can be expected to get it perfect first time every time whether you pay $1, $8,000 or $12,000.
That's why all engineering companies who produce production line products in any industry ask and want customer feedback and that's what helps any company to get it perfect.
If anyone thinks every pinball machine from JJP, Stern or the other companies are going to produce a perfect machine the very first time on a brand new title, they are not being realistic.
No company in the history of pinball ever has.
Every machine is unique. These machines are both hand built and mass produced.
They are NOT flawless diamonds coming out of a jewellery shop and never will be.
Two simple decisions people can make who ARE buying a new pinball title from ANY pinball manufacturer.
1. Wait for the production line to settle and then order.
2. Buy straight away but expect there MAY be a small flaw or imperfection on something built by humans and machines.
Even "restored" 70,s or 80,s or 90,s pinballs from any company in Australia or the USA aren,t going to be perfect and without the uniqueness that every pinball machine comes with.
If u only focus on the 5 percent u don't like on a pinball instead of the 95 percent u do like on a pinball, u are going to drive yourself nuts and everyone else perhaps.
Focus on the positive and not the negative qualities of a pinball machine.
Why, because there has never been a perfect pinball machine and there never will be.
The companies building pins have warranty for a reason.
Every product has a warranty for a reason.
Perfection in this industry and hobby is not realistic.
No one is making anyone have to purchase anything, straight away or after a production line settles.
People should wait for their machines to arrive before declaring doom n gloom.
I see a lot of assumptions and too much focus on the 5 percent and not the 95 percent.
If it ain't perfect to u when it arrives, return it and get a full refund or do a fix with a warranty claim.
Very simple decisions here IF u ain't happy after delivery of any pinball or any product.
Food for thought IMHO. ..........
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The heads are hand painted by many different people so how would anyone seriously think every head paint job is going to be perfect. ?
No one's asking them to be perfect. Common sense approach is that as soon as a problem is found, then the defective part be put aside and and replaced with a "passed" item.
In the case of the Gene Simmons heads - Whoever painted it, should have thrown it in the bin or sent it back to be repainted. If the trend continues - fire the moron that cannot follow simple lines. Better still, why Can't Stern work out an automated way of painting the heads ?
In every other manufacturing process, QA should be at the component level and then at the completion point. Whoever fitted that head needs to be fired or given an eye test. Whoever allowed the machine to be placed in a box and shipped needs to be fired.
Using the car analogy - Ford used to remove a completed car off the line and then strip the machine bare to see if there were any re occuring manufacturing problems. Every industry has QA. It seems Stern don't.
How the hell this can happen is highly embarrassing - That's why I'm finding it hard to believe.
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Was this an issue with Tron ?
Was there a fix ?
I didn't realise there was an issue like this with Tron Nino . I've had my Tron for a couple of years now and haven't noticed any black marks on the balls .. ever !
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The heads are hand painted by many different people so how would anyone seriously think every head paint job is going to be perfect. ?
Any car or jetski or any mass produced engineered mechanical device "first" off the production line may have small faults cause as humans we don't get every single thing right the first time.
That's why I have never bought the absolute first shipment of any new Ford, Holden or Toyota for my company vehicles. I let the production line "settle" , work itself out then buy a short or medium time later when the wrinkles have been ironed out.
If you rush in and order a pinball title sight unseen and insist on the very limited LE then you have to accept humans are getting used to the new product, new production line and methods and brand new product.
No company incl Stern can be expected to get it perfect first time every time whether you pay $1, $8,000 or $12,000.
That's why all engineering companies who produce production line products in any industry ask and want customer feedback and that's what helps any company to get it perfect.
If anyone thinks every pinball machine from JJP, Stern or the other companies are going to produce a perfect machine the very first time on a brand new title, they are not being realistic.
No company in the history of pinball ever has.
Every machine is unique. These machines are both hand built and mass produced.
They are NOT flawless diamonds coming out of a jewellery shop and never will be.
Two simple decisions people can make who ARE buying a new pinball title from ANY pinball manufacturer.
1. Wait for the production line to settle and then order.
2. Buy straight away but expect there MAY be a small flaw or imperfection on something built by humans and machines.
Even "restored" 70,s or 80,s or 90,s pinballs from any company in Australia or the USA are going to be perfect and without the uniqueness that every pinball machine comes with.
If u only focus on the 5 percent u don't like on a pinball instead of the 95 percent u do like on a pinball, u are going to drive yourself nuts and everyone else perhaps.
Focus on the positive and not the negative qualities of a pinball machine.
Why, because there has never been a perfect pinball machine and there never will be.
The companies building pins have warranty for a reason.
Every product has a warranty for a reason.
Perfection in this industry and hobby is not realistic.
No one is making anyone have to purchase anything, straight away or after a production line settles.
People should wait for their machines to arrive before declaring doom n gloom.
I see a lot of assumptions and too much focus on the 5 percent and not the 95 percent.
If it ain't perfect to u when it arrives, return it and get a full refund or do a fix with a warranty claim.
Very simple decisions here IF u ain't happy after delivery of any pinball or any product.
Food for thought IMHO. ..........
Oh come on! That paint job is an absolute shocker! There are VERY few companies in the world that would let shoddy work like that go out the door unless of course they are just cowboys.
Focus on the positives? - Yeh right.. spend nearly $10,000 and focus on the fact that you could have been ripped more??? %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
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Was this an issue with Tron ?
Was there a fix ?
I didn't realise there was an issue like this with Tron Nino . I've had my Tron for a couple of years now and haven't noticed any black marks on the balls .. ever !
Apparently, the exact issue happened - black marks on the ball and playfield. Has something to do with the black pad on the disk. There was an aftermarket clear pad that can be purchased that alleviates the issue. It seems that not all games have the problem. I don't want crud on my game - so I'm happy to buy the clear pad if need be. Interesting to see your game didn't have the issue.
A lot of these issues are going to pop up now that the game is having it's first week on route in the USA. Fantastic reports so far - but the black crud is not consistent to all the games.
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Would it be safe to assume ? the heads were painted in a third world company like China or India or by some cut price person/company somewhere ? Probably.
They were probably worried more about their next meal and painting 100 heads an hour or they get the sack ?
Was the head painted perfectly , NO. I agree.
You simply ask the Stern dealer for a replacement.
Has anyone here sent Stern a photo of that head and given them some polite feedback ? That would be constructive.
I will wait and see a lot more of the Kiss pinnies that have been made before I will pass judgement on the overall quality. I personally judge things by looking at the majority not the minority.
Didn't say my approach was perfect or 100 percent correct or everyone's cup of tea, but it is how I judge things.
I understand some people, and at this stage perhaps the minority are a little concerned or focused on having a great as close to perfect machine delivered. In all fairness, that is your right cause it is your hard earnt money and I understand the pre delivery jitters or nervousness.
I just seem to be a little bit less concerned.
I appreciate both sides of the argument on quality control from any product or company.
I am sure Stern is considering the feedback from social media and doing the best they can.
They are here to keep people happy, not meaningly upset anyone I would imagine.
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The heads are hand painted by many different people so how would anyone seriously think every head paint job is going to be perfect. ?
Any car or jetski or any mass produced engineered mechanical device "first" off the production line may have small faults cause as humans we don't get every single thing right the first time.
That's why I have never bought the absolute first shipment of any new Ford, Holden or Toyota for my company vehicles. I let the production line "settle" , work itself out then buy a short or medium time later when the wrinkles have been ironed out.
If you rush in and order a pinball title sight unseen and insist on the very limited LE then you have to accept humans are getting used to the new product, new production line and methods and brand new product.
No company incl Stern can be expected to get it perfect first time every time whether you pay $1, $8,000 or $12,000.
That's why all engineering companies who produce production line products in any industry ask and want customer feedback and that's what helps any company to get it perfect.
If anyone thinks every pinball machine from JJP, Stern or the other companies are going to produce a perfect machine the very first time on a brand new title, they are not being realistic.
No company in the history of pinball ever has.
Every machine is unique. These machines are both hand built and mass produced.
They are NOT flawless diamonds coming out of a jewellery shop and never will be.
Two simple decisions people can make who ARE buying a new pinball title from ANY pinball manufacturer.
1. Wait for the production line to settle and then order.
2. Buy straight away but expect there MAY be a small flaw or imperfection on something built by humans and machines.
Even "restored" 70,s or 80,s or 90,s pinballs from any company in Australia or the USA are going to be perfect and without the uniqueness that every pinball machine comes with.
If u only focus on the 5 percent u don't like on a pinball instead of the 95 percent u do like on a pinball, u are going to drive yourself nuts and everyone else perhaps.
Focus on the positive and not the negative qualities of a pinball machine.
Why, because there has never been a perfect pinball machine and there never will be.
The companies building pins have warranty for a reason.
Every product has a warranty for a reason.
Perfection in this industry and hobby is not realistic.
No one is making anyone have to purchase anything, straight away or after a production line settles.
People should wait for their machines to arrive before declaring doom n gloom.
I see a lot of assumptions and too much focus on the 5 percent and not the 95 percent.
If it ain't perfect to u when it arrives, return it and get a full refund or do a fix with a warranty claim.
Very simple decisions here IF u ain't happy after delivery of any pinball or any product.
Food for thought IMHO. ..........
Oh come on! That paint job is an absolute shocker! There are VERY few companies in the world that would let shoddy work like that go out the door unless of course they are just cowboys.
Focus on the positives? - Yeh right.. spend nearly $10,000 and focus on the fact that you could have been ripped more??? %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
Not only that, but do I understand this correctly? So the LE's should be the most imperfect? *!@
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I wanted to add something for Nino.
I want your Kiss LE to be a fine machine and I really want you to be dam impressed with your machine when it arrives cause I would like to see you become a Stern dealer one day.
Your experience and keen eye would be well suited to sell both brand new and restored machines and grow your business and product lines.
Promoting both new and older machines goes perfectly hand in hand.
I think you would make a quality Stern Dealer just like AMD is.
I think you would get along with Bruce and Michael and all their staff well cause both of you are customer focused and quality focused. It would be a good business relationship for many years if u set it up. Never say never.
I hope it happens one day Nino cause the industry and hobby in Aust would benefit by it...
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The heads are hand painted by many different people so how would anyone seriously think every head paint job is going to be perfect. ?
Any car or jetski or any mass produced engineered mechanical device "first" off the production line may have small faults cause as humans we don't get every single thing right the first time.
That's why I have never bought the absolute first shipment of any new Ford, Holden or Toyota for my company vehicles. I let the production line "settle" , work itself out then buy a short or medium time later when the wrinkles have been ironed out.
If you rush in and order a pinball title sight unseen and insist on the very limited LE then you have to accept humans are getting used to the new product, new production line and methods and brand new product.
No company incl Stern can be expected to get it perfect first time every time whether you pay $1, $8,000 or $12,000.
That's why all engineering companies who produce production line products in any industry ask and want customer feedback and that's what helps any company to get it perfect.
If anyone thinks every pinball machine from JJP, Stern or the other companies are going to produce a perfect machine the very first time on a brand new title, they are not being realistic.
No company in the history of pinball ever has.
Every machine is unique. These machines are both hand built and mass produced.
They are NOT flawless diamonds coming out of a jewellery shop and never will be.
Two simple decisions people can make who ARE buying a new pinball title from ANY pinball manufacturer.
1. Wait for the production line to settle and then order.
2. Buy straight away but expect there MAY be a small flaw or imperfection on something built by humans and machines.
Even "restored" 70,s or 80,s or 90,s pinballs from any company in Australia or the USA are going to be perfect and without the uniqueness that every pinball machine comes with.
If u only focus on the 5 percent u don't like on a pinball instead of the 95 percent u do like on a pinball, u are going to drive yourself nuts and everyone else perhaps.
Focus on the positive and not the negative qualities of a pinball machine.
Why, because there has never been a perfect pinball machine and there never will be.
The companies building pins have warranty for a reason.
Every product has a warranty for a reason.
Perfection in this industry and hobby is not realistic.
No one is making anyone have to purchase anything, straight away or after a production line settles.
People should wait for their machines to arrive before declaring doom n gloom.
I see a lot of assumptions and too much focus on the 5 percent and not the 95 percent.
If it ain't perfect to u when it arrives, return it and get a full refund or do a fix with a warranty claim.
Very simple decisions here IF u ain't happy after delivery of any pinball or any product.
Food for thought IMHO. ..........
Oh come on! That paint job is an absolute shocker! There are VERY few companies in the world that would let shoddy work like that go out the door unless of course they are just cowboys.
Focus on the positives? - Yeh right.. spend nearly $10,000 and focus on the fact that you could have been ripped more??? %.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
Not only that, but do I understand this correctly? So the LE's should be the most imperfect? *!@
No. Nothing should be imperfect unless you are perfect.
No one or no thing is perfect.
The LE models sometimes go down the line first so they MAY be the machines that have 95 percent quality compared to 100 percent quality till the line and product settles.
If the Pro was first down the line, it MAY be the model with a few imperfections. Just like any first model from a car company, never perfect, but perhaps close.
That's why car companies do service bulletins and make product and line changes, cause they are NOT perfect but are trying their best to make it perfect, if they can.
Anyone got a Perfect car ? It don't exist, never has, never will. But the companies will keep trying. It's all personal taste. Each to their own. That's as fair as I think it will ever get....
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Would it be safe to assume ? the heads were painted in a third world company like China or India or by some cut price person/company somewhere ? Probably.
They were probably worried more about their next meal and painting 100 heads an hour or they get the sack ?
Was the head painted perfectly , NO. I agree.
You simply ask the Stern dealer for a replacement.
Has anyone here sent Stern a photo of that head and given them some polite feedback ? That would be constructive.
I will wait and see a lot more of the Kiss pinnies that have been made before I will pass judgement on the overall quality. I personally judge things by looking at the majority not the minority.
Didn't say my approach was perfect or 100 percent correct or everyone's cup of tea, but it is how I judge things.
I understand some people, and at this stage perhaps the minority are a little concerned or focused on having a great as close to perfect machine delivered. In all fairness, that is your right cause it is your hard earnt money and I understand the pre delivery jitters or nervousness.
I just seem to be a little bit less concerned.
I appreciate both sides of the argument on quality control from any product or company.
I am sure Stern is considering the feedback from social media and doing the best they can.
They are here to keep people happy, not meaningly upset anyone I would imagine.
Stern are mentioning on FB that most of the work is done - "in house". They proudly mention this on TWD Toppers. I'd say it is done in their factory. What would be the point in having it done overseas - they just moved to a massive new factory.
Everyone agrees that the picture of that head is simply wrong. OK - so a Stern Distributor should replace it ? - Yes. No argument. Should never have made it that far..
My point is that the Stern distributor should not be wasting time dealing with a defective parts that has to be posted and then swapped over. This costs Stern and the dealer - and far far more importantly - it gets US talking about Stern and QA.
The alternative ;
The person who painted it - notices it is bad - throws it away or has is started from scratch again - costs nothing to Stern, nothing to the dealer and we don't notice it.
The person who puts it in the machines - sees it is defective. Same as above.
The person who drops the playfield into the machines - sees it is defective. Same as above.
The person who playtests the machines - sees it is defective. Same as above.
The person who does the final checks - - sees it is defective. Same as above.
So FIVE Stern employees have quite possibly seen the issue. The QA guy should have done his job.
So the DEALER / Distributor has to deal with it ? After 5 Stern employees have seen it and COULD have done something about it ?
That is not a professional QA setup.
It is kinda like the dimpling issue and the excuse to keep playing it so it "blends in". If the process was done correct the first time, then no one needs to become involved.
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I wanted to add something for Nino.
I want your Kiss LE to be a fine machine and I really want you to be dam impressed with your machine when it arrives cause I would like to see you become a Stern dealer one day.
Your experience and keen eye would be well suited to sell both brand new and restored machines and grow your business and product lines.
Promoting both new and older machines goes perfectly hand in hand.
I think you would make a quality Stern Dealer just like AMD is.
I think you would get along with Bruce and Michael and all their staff well cause both of you are customer focused and quality focused. It would be a good business relationship for many years if u set it up. Never say never.
I hope it happens one day Nino cause the industry and hobby in Aust would benefit by it...
I have a horse in this race. I WANT this game to sell by the container load. I want my mates to buy a premium. I've spent hours on the phone convincing them to part with their money..
We have the insane issue with the Topper being an additional cost.
Then the armor packs being an additional cost.
People think this does not hurt Stern sales - they have no clue what they are saying. Case in point ;
Two friends were going to buy a Premium. They found out about the armor packs. They don't care for the extra game features, but they just saved $1500 by NOT ordering a Premium, settling for a PRO with $500 Armour pack.. That is the dumbest marketing strategy I've ever heard of. you CAN have a game that looks as good as a Premium / LE for at least $1500 cheaper - or $3500 if you missed out on an LE.
Machine standards - Put the restored Addams Family I completed next to TWD LE. I can't drop the standard of the Addams, but i can see TWD LE will struggle to compete unless it is straight out of the box. 50 test games on the addams and not one single dimple. 50 more games on TWD LE and it looks like a moonscape. If Stern dealers don't think this is an issue, they need to pull their head out of the sand.
I'd LOVE to promote Sterns. But they have to raise their standards to compete with High End Restorations. Buck for buck, the High End Collectors want really nice games - and I'm sure if Stern raised their standards - they would get a crapload more sales.
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Humans equal non perfection results when dealing with mass production.
Fact of life unfortunately.
Your Gene Simmonds head might be perfect Nino.
Stern and every company on earth has a warranty for a reason. Nothing is perfect.
Even your restoration business would offer warranty Nino.
Just incAse you or another human involved in your business makes a mistake or doesn't see something during the massive labour task you and Stern share. Is that a fair call about warranty and your warranty.
It exists cause people strive for perfection but sometimes don't hit the mark ?
I think the quality issue has existed since pinballs were invented and probably wil exist forever cause humans build these things. What can u do but try your best ?
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I agree with Nino, there is QA set in place to capture poor obvious issues as well as safety issues and for so many sets of eyes to see a game and just continue means they are focused on the short term money not reputation and long term sales. Imagine unboxing your game and instead of visual QA issues you play your first game and get a electric shock - then you would not settle for human error. Machines are getting dearer and therefore more care and accuracy should be a higher priority.
But good news, rumour has it that there are "minor" problems with production which will delay games by almost two weeks. Rumour is the problems are minor and should be fixed soon and it will delay delivery of PRO and LE models. A good thing and hopefully true and mean the human errors are being corrected.
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Please confirm as I may be considering a purchase. If I do not like the quality of the nib I can get a full refund. Do I incur any charges like freight, re stocking? Can I get this refund during the warranty period after playing some games and then considering the quality is not there. Can Greg/greg's family return THWD now for the refund.
I'd feel so much more comfortable with this if the above is true. Brett can you find out for us as you have a good relationship with Stern? Thanks.
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Brett, it is about the person who painted the head
it is the person who installed the head
it is the person who checked the machine before shipping
I will just post this pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/doubleprint.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/doubleprint.jpg.html)
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That is beautiful with 3D glasses. *.*
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Brett, it is about the person who painted the head
it is the person who installed the head
it is the person who checked the machine before shipping
I will just post this pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/doubleprint.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/doubleprint.jpg.html)
I can't see the problem, I'm dyslexic %.%
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That is beautiful with 3D glasses. *.*
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shouldn't laugh really
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They all passed the QC stage.. if there is a QC stage that is.
The badly painted head was posted because the owner has an issue with it.. all replies in the US are because everyone has an issue with it. I don't want to own this machine, but I have an issue with it.
Only people who don't have an issue with it are Stern because they gladly took someones money and gave that POS in exchange and Cavey who as always cannot bear to think that Stern really F**ed up.
Doesn't matter if it was painted in China, USA or outer Mongolia.. fact is Stern passed it and sold it on.
Its a shocker and for a while there, I thought Stern had lifted their game.
Sterns quality is as crap as its always been and the care factor is ZERO... 10 grand is a lot of wedge and for that to be a gamble on the finish just sucks big time. I hope all those in this machine get perfect games.. but yeh.. you just don't know do you till you open the box.
Shouldn't be that way...
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I paid about $8K for a NIB BBB some years ago and it was perfect, now has a lot of plays and little dimpling. It was partly mass produced and partly not. The aliens at the back were hand made and hand painted and look perfect still.
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Humans equal non perfection results when dealing with mass production.
Fact of life unfortunately.
Your Gene Simmonds head might be perfect Nino.
Stern and every company on earth has a warranty for a reason. Nothing is perfect.
Even your restoration business would offer warranty Nino.
Just incAse you or another human involved in your business makes a mistake or doesn't see something during the massive labour task you and Stern share. Is that a fair call about warranty and your warranty.
It exists cause people strive for perfection but sometimes don't hit the mark ?
I think the quality issue has existed since pinballs were invented and probably wil exist forever cause humans build these things. What can u do but try your best ?
Should never reach a warranty claim. This is the issue. I fully understand your points - but - THAT Gene head should never have left the building to become a warranty issue for the Dealer / stern.
Stern are not trying their best. The eyes that have seen this head pass through each phase of construction have not alerted anyone that it IS an issue. THAT is left up to the buyer to highlight to the dealer that has the task of organizing a new head - there's an hour of work and shipping at Stern's cost. Could have been avoided in 10 seconds on the factory floor with a bin marked "imperfect".
Now all the High end collector's are going to look for these problems and consider them. If they are sitting on the fence - Stern have a big problem. They are not JUST catering for Operators anymore. They need to deal with the collectors that expect value for money and at least a basic understanding on what looks good, and what is completely wrong.
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Should never reach a warranty claim. This is the issue. I fully understand your points - but - THAT Gene head should never have left the building to become a warranty issue for the Dealer / stern.
Stern are not trying their best. The eyes that have seen this head pass through each phase of construction have not alerted anyone that it IS an issue. THAT is left up to the buyer to highlight to the dealer that has the task of organizing a new head - there's an hour of work and shipping at Stern's cost. Could have been avoided in 10 seconds on the factory floor with a bin marked "imperfect".
Now all the High end collector's are going to look for these problems and consider them. If they are sitting on the fence - Stern have a big problem. They are not JUST catering for Operators anymore. They need to deal with the collectors that expect value for money and at least a basic understanding on what looks good, and what is completely wrong.
+1
And there's the rub. The cost of addressing QC issues under warranty claims might be absorbed by Stern in the interim but will ultimately be passed on to the consumer with further price increases on future titles. The whole process thus becomes a vicious cycle between them and the end consumer.
This is not some defective component that fails after prolonged use, this is a clear visual fault that numerous eyes from the outset (both skilled and unskilled) should have noticed during the original manufacturing process of the original part, let alone actually making it to the assembly line for installation.
As Strangeways alluded to, I don't believe Stern have truly embraced the fact that the market (and consumer expectations) has changed so dramatically in the last 10 plus years. That is why professionally restored machines which are now approaching at minimum 16 years old are achieving the same prices as Stern's Premium and LE range (and in many cases surpassing them in price). The market will pay for quality regardless of whether the machine is 16 years or 16 days old provided the quality is there to begin with.
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Stern are not perfect yet. But they are working their asses off to be.
99 percent of their shipped stock is excellent from the feedback I get and have seen from my BNIB purchases and other collectors.
It's a very small problem which will be addressed.
I know and have spoken to a lot of the USA staff n designers.
Their words give me a confidence I can bank on n trust.
This issue is small and only on a few first released.
Stern will settle the line and the new title and it will be fine.
Let's wait n see when all the machines arrive.
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Hope you get results with warranty and support. I certainly had no luck with a HUO ACDC LE (admittedly i was the 2nd owner) - it was 14 months old and 2 legs had the powder coat cracked out where rust was bubbling from underneath. Now it was one front and one back on diagonally opposite sides. If it was both front or both back, you could concede there might have been water or something at some stage, but not diagonally opposite legs.
AMD admitted 'it was unusual and shouldn't happen', but couldn't offer replacement, neither did Stern. Not having a whinge, as it is a fantastic game and i love playing it, however would have thought they may have backed their product a little more.
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LOLS
reading on Facebook, Stern also needs to buy a map
supposedly part of the game is to visit different concert venues
the city of 'Pittsburgh' is spelt wrong
:p
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LOLS
reading on Facebook, Stern also needs to buy a map
supposedly part of the game is to visit different concert venues
the city of 'Pittsburgh' is spelt wrong
:p
Is this a joke ?
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LOLS
reading on Facebook, Stern also needs to buy a map
supposedly part of the game is to visit different concert venues
the city of 'Pittsburgh' is spelt wrong
:p
Is this a joke ?
Nino, I have not knocked KISS since its announcement
I can only report what I read online
it is not a biggie, there will be software updates, as long a Stern knows about it is an easy fix
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Was this an issue with Tron ?
Was there a fix ?
I didn't realise there was an issue like this with Tron Nino . I've had my Tron for a couple of years now and haven't noticed any black marks on the balls .. ever !
Apparently, the exact issue happened - black marks on the ball and playfield. Has something to do with the black pad on the disk. There was an aftermarket clear pad that can be purchased that alleviates the issue. It seems that not all games have the problem. I don't want crud on my game - so I'm happy to buy the clear pad if need be. Interesting to see your game didn't have the issue.
A lot of these issues are going to pop up now that the game is having it's first week on route in the USA. Fantastic reports so far - but the black crud is not consistent to all the games.
I can confirm my Tron got/gets the black marks on the playfield, but not on the balls.
A simple clean gets rid of it and it was more when it was new that it was obvious. My disc is no where near as 'whippy' now though so I do need to replace it.
The clear disc you speak of Nino does fix the problem but it is extremely fast and is a little scary! Anyone know where I can order one?
I will just post this pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/TalesFromTheOutlane/doubleprint.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/TalesFromTheOutlane/media/doubleprint.jpg.html)
Whoa! I better go check mine....
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LOLS
reading on Facebook, Stern also needs to buy a map
supposedly part of the game is to visit different concert venues
the city of 'Pittsburgh' is spelt wrong
:p
Is this a joke ?
Nino, I have not knocked KISS since its announcement
I can only report what I read online
it is not a biggie, there will be software updates, as long a Stern knows about it is an easy fix
Very lucky it's not in the artwork *%*
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you can get the clear,blue or black discs here
http://www.pinballcenter.eu/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=tron+disc&x=0&y=0&search_in_description=1
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LEs will be delayed 2 weeks.
I see this as a positive - they found something that was not right - and they are fixing it. I'd rather be told the truth and happily wait if I know my game is 100%.
Just reading over some of my recent posts, I'd like to make it very clear that I'm not knocking Stern - other than providing some constructive criticism. I have forwarded some of my thoughts to the Distributor I've purchased from, and they have been extremely helpful and supportive.
My comments regarding QA are still valid as I know this title is going to KISS fans - NOT "just" pinball fans or Stern Fans. So I want the KISS fans to get "hooked" into pinball - and most already have the 1978 machine. Set a GREAT impression and you will get more sales.
I'm thrilled - Should be playing our games in 4-6 weeks. ^^^ ^^^
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Given Stern has just moved into a new factory, they may be having some teething troubles, regarding QC. The of the playfield artwork smear may also relate to a new process that includes thicker clearcoating. I'm sure it will be 'alright on the night'.
...I just played a WWE on location. The playfield artwork print quality was perfect. I can't see something going catastrophically wrong from their last game to this next one.
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If Nino is happy, and he is the fussiest in the country, when his pinball arrives, then more people will find it easier to buy new Sterns. Espescially people who haven't bought a BNIB Stern before.
It's only a matter of time and Nino shall be converted from the dark side. Lol
From master Obi One Canavey ! Lol
May the force be with you Nino as you join the Stern Fanboy club so many of us belong to. Lol
( Ofcourse it's a silly post and thrown in amongst a the serious posts. Lol)
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If Nino is happy, and he is the fussiest in the country, when his pinball arrives, then more people will find it easier to buy new Sterns. Espescially people who haven't bought a BNIB Stern before.
It's only a matter of time and Nino shall be converted from the dark side. Lol
From master Obi One Canavey ! Lol
May the force be with you Nino as you join the Stern Fanboy club so many of us belong to. Lol
( Ofcourse it's a silly post and thrown in amongst a the serious posts. Lol)
That's my agenda.
I would like nothing more than to see Stern take the next step and provide a brilliant package. Here is what I'd like to tell Gary Stern ;
1) QA needs improvement
2) Clearcoat needs to be more durable
3) Do not provide "extras" while the buyers are deciding on the model they want
As I can be quoted several times - TWD LE is a BRILLIANT package. I have not played Star Trek, but I really enjoyed Metallica. I am in the minority with AC/DC as I don't like the music. I acknowledge that it is a good game.
What's around the corner ?
Boutique manufacturers are falling by the wayside.
JJP take 4 years to make one game.
Homepin, Circus Maximus and Spooky Pinball have incredible titles coming up with real innovative ideas.
There's a very positive future.
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Boutique manufacturers are falling by the wayside.
JJP take 4 years to make one game.
Homepin, Circus Maximus and Spooky Pinball have incredible titles coming up with real innovative ideas.
There's a very positive future.
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WHIZBANG has another game next year to Dude and their first game is a ball tearer, only 2, yes 2 in AUS and I have one of them! lucky, lucky me and the WA pin freaks.
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I think Stern selling "extras" is a great idea from day one with all the models whether Pro or Premium or LE.
The car industry has been offering extras on any model from day one and its a great idea.
Eg - spoilers n mag tyre packages, paint upgrades, side spoilers or bonnet spoilers, motor upgrades, interior upgrades, stereo upgrades and the list goes on.
Why shouldn't the pinball industry offer upgrades from day one.
They can't just design the entire system around keeping the LE buyers only happy. The Pro and Premium sales numbers per title sales outsell LE buyers by four or five to one easily. The extras or upgrades n toppers n sidearm packages are designed to give everyone a chance to personalise their machines.
This is a good thing not a bad thing. Stern has smartly looked at the big picture.
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Automotive industry also offers paint and fabric protection, so why can't Stern.! ;)
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Automotive industry also offers paint and fabric protection, so why can't Stern.! ;)
Yeah but at least the car makers have enough ethics :lol to let you know about the extras BEFORE you've put your deposit down. And sounds like Stern should be offering "clearcoat protection".
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The "extras" is something that I've communicated to Stern representatives, and they DO listen. The "sales" team are different form the "marketing" team. So these to departments need to work closer. Case in point ;
Two Premium buyers pulled out of their prospective orders as they can save $1500 by simply buying a PRO, and adding the armor kit. Viola - they have a game that LOOKS like an LE.. The game plays slightly different - but not $1500 worth of difference. Still has 2 flippers and four pop bumpers..
I have no issue with the armor kit if released 6 months AFTER the LE's are accounted for and the first batch of Premiums are sold. This would encourage more sales of the armor kits for PRO buyers AND Premium buyers have their games already - bonus for Stern is that buyers have not downgraded in the period waiting for their games.
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This is why I firmly believe the Pro is, and has always been the best value for money.
You can always personalise a Pro and end up with a unique game.
Compared to buying the LE, you can save between 3 and 4 grand.
That's half of the money for the next Stern title.
The Premium is still good buying at only $1500 more but I always go for the Pro.
As long as u buy something, the industry grows and wins.
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LE video up on Stern's facebook!
Like the start of demon multiball, reminds me of Transformers.
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153393990069244/?type=2&theater
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LE video up on Stern's facebook!
Like the start of demon multiball, reminds me of Transformers.
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153393990069244/?type=2&theater
Love the video.
A bit worried about those balls flying out on the playfield.
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Love the video.
A bit worried about those balls flying out on the playfield.
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good reminder to keep your balls clean and freshly waxed so it doesn't rip up the play field!
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good video showing the making of the KISS pin
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Really enjoyed that video thanks very much
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a few shots of the le's
one shot shots 650 le's and another is a run of 60 german le's
le backglass looks nice
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good video showing the making of the KISS pin
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That was a good insight into the making of the game. Interesting to note that they are not using "dot animation" in the traditional format. Maybe the next step to LCD ?
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this will make people happy - a mod for illuminating the translite KISS logo
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and a separate thing Gary doing a Gene
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Thx Swinks - this mod had to be done by somebody - there's no way I am paying $690 for the Stern topper (in fact I wouldn't pay $1 as I don't like it & it merely replicates the backbox). Not sure this mod is quite right yet - but the idea is. The mask on Gary Stern is a bit freaky with tge grey hair - but I like how he's willing to have a bit of fun with it ^^^
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this will make people happy - a mod for illuminating the translite KISS logo
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Kiss lighting looks good, probably should have been like that from factory though. It's good to have a bit of interactive lighting acting in the Headbox.
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this will make people happy - a mod for illuminating the translite KISS logo
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Kiss lighting looks good, probably should have been like that from factory though. It's good to have a bit of interactive lighting acting in the Headbox.
Agreed. Minimal additional outlay to the overall BOM but once again chooses to squeeze a few extra out of the mod aftermarket instead.
GS looks like a juggalo from ICP in that photoshoot. %.%
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GS looks like a juggalo from ICP in that photoshoot. %.%
I can see a close resemblance with GS to Grandpa Munster. The DNA is unmistakable.
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Im convinced...
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this will make people happy - a mod for illuminating the translite KISS logo
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Kiss lighting looks good, probably should have been like that from factory though. It's good to have a bit of interactive lighting acting in the Headbox.
Agreed. I will be buying this mod for sure. Looks awesome.
Can't wait until my LE arrives. $#$
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What do you guys think of the pinball metal side rail and hinge mods that are available?
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What do you guys think of the pinball metal side rail and hinge mods that are available?
Stern "extras" and armor kits = Not buying. Would not install the factory topper if it was a freebie. No need to visually remind the player it is a KISS pinball twice.
Third Party - The Gene Bass siderails look amazing. The strobing backglass is exactly what should have been done in the factory. I will buy this.
I will most likely be removing the leftover Luci trim that made its way onto the LEs with a burnt orange trim that I will have done locally.
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It seems that the Gene head on the Playfield is really a Gary Stern Head with the paint job which I think was a great way to get a bit of Gary onto the playfield after all these years and titles.
In years to come, after Gary has gone to the great big pinball factory in the sky (hope he lives another 30 years) but when he is gone, his head will live on with Gary sticking his tounge out at everyone on a pinball Playfield.
A nice touch and a great way to be remembered forever, having fun with it all.
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Crafty: Though you are kidding regarding Gene really being Gary, that is actually good thought. Stern should put a 'Gary Stern' on one of their pins. Imagine if you had a Gottlieb pin that featured David or Alvin Gottlieb!
Even a semi hidden appearance on the artwork would be novel.
...Apologies for straying from this KISS thread. I shall not do it again.
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Gary Stern bash toy, hours of fun for the whole family!
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I wasn't kidding. Did u see the unpainted head photo side by side with Gary's photo.
It's a dead ringer.
I reckon a smart n cheeky placement by marketing.
Gary's head has been immortalised on every Kiss pinball forever.
And he has his tounge sticking out which is Gary in a heartbeat.
He then comes out with those photos of him driving around Chicago in his Mercedes wearing the mask plus the photos of him wearing the grey suit with the mask on.
It's definately Gary's head when it's unpainted. I reckon it was a smart but effective move.
Hasn't everyone seen those photos side by side some pages back.
Spitting image of Gary's head when unpainted.
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GS looks like a juggalo from ICP in that photoshoot. %.%
I can see a close resemblance with GS to Grandpa Munster. The DNA is unmistakable.
%.% that's great. Wonder if Gene would be impressed?
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the head in the game would have to be Gene's and Gary's just looks similar - Gene wouldn't allow this especially when he is so protective of his merch and image
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Gary's head has been immortalised on every Kiss pinball forever.
Gary's head already appears in the "Bash Gary" hidden easter egg mode in LOTR thanks to Keith Johnson the programmer for Stern at the time (now JJP)!
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Well found.
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alternative cabinet art, not yet available but it may come ????
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Finally got to TZ today to play the pins, including KISS.
Quite surprised with KISS. All round I thought it's a solid package, apart from the cabinet side artwork which I still don't like. Along with ST, it was the pick of the pins. Any KISS fans will love it.
I thought TWD was a dog of a game, by far my least favourite. Mustang and Wrestlemania were average and AC/DC Luci and IM good as always.
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My LE is late August / Early September ()
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My Pro has over 300 games on it now and I have zero black disc mess ^^^ I haven't clean it once yet. I remember when i unboxed Tron the black cleared up after 100 games nothing to worry about.
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My Pro has over 300 games on it now and I have zero black disc mess ^^^ I haven't clean it once yet. I remember when i unboxed Tron the black cleared up after 100 games nothing to worry about.
Great to hear. What are your thoughts on the game ?
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My Pro has over 300 games on it now and I have zero black disc mess ^^^ I haven't clean it once yet. I remember when i unboxed Tron the black cleared up after 100 games nothing to worry about.
Great to hear. What are your thoughts on the game ?
Very happy Nino :) as some know I cancelled my LE order awhile ago I won't go into why as I don't want to come across as to negative considering there's guys getting LE's here and I'm sure you guys will be very very happy. Now game play is very smooth with great shots some easy like ramps some hard like the Paul/love gun area :) now the love gun area isn't as hard as people made it out to be but it's a satisfying shot when made and the slings in that area are a cool feature. The pro has color changing inserts also but not as many as the LE but they are great for knowing where to shoot for jackpots and supers. The spike system fades the LEDS incredibly well I was blown away when I first played it and still am lol. The flippers are great very strong and just feel better not sure why but I've read they have been improved and it shows. Rules are great for an early Stern code there's heaps to do and it has wizard modes 3 multiballs including the KISS army wizard MB mode-I find the multiballs fairly easy to get but bloody hard to keep going :). Dots again at the early stage are great it's the best out of box code I've seen :) Gene on the pro doesn't lock balls like the LE but it works well it'll hold the ball then spit the ball out when the lock is lit and when it's not lit the spinning disc under Genes head will send the ball back out into play with some great turn like Warnie lol and the spin gets better after about 50 games. The spike LEDs really light the translite well and we can now turn the backbox brightness down and I have mine on 33% to help with glare although I just ordered some PDI glass. Artwork is sensational both side art and BB art I actually preferred the pro artwork. Now the age old dimple argument well if dimples concern you then your be concerned because with the ball dropping probably 2 inches out of Genes mouth it dimples pretty bad, there's heaps of Mylar in that area and in other areas but with a steel ball hitting the PF at force from a fair height even clear coat and Mylar have there work cut out for them lol the clear looks thick and shiny and even but it'll dimple it doesn't bother me but might others. The power switch is now under the BB not front lower right I like it as it helps my sore back but if games are tight together and your under 5ft 8 in height your struggle. My Genes head looks good as in paint mine must have been done by kids at high school lol. Overall I'm very happy and have not once regretted my decision to go the pro and now I have 4k towards my next purchase :) oh the sound is great and is implemented well and unlike acdc the song continues if your loose a ball where ACDC starts the song again.
One thing I forgot to add spike uses a fan in the BB which can be noisy when game is idle but during game play you can't hear it :) it's not always on only when needed.
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Thanks for the honest appraisal of your game. You're one lucky guy Peter, well done with the purchase. Your game room is now complete......well until the next purchase. Thanks for sharing ^^^
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Thanks Jady you the man :)
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Thanks Jady you the man :)
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That shooter looks the goods ^^^
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^^^ yeah it's a ripper hey :) ACDC should be here soon :)
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12k US for this LE......
#@#
https://www.shopkissonline.com/kiss-stern-pinball-le.html
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thanks for the plug Peter, looks good.
I have 3 other kiss ones left if anyone is interested, selling at cost for $55 (painting and fastening rod into knob - FREE) plus $8.50 postage to move them.
Nickel with red lettering
Bronze with red lettering
Dk Grey with orange lettering
Tron and AC/DC have been sold and the 24kt gold plated WW is available for the same price
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No problem Jady :) your products are top notch and well worth the coin :)
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Swinks, love the ACDC with blue lettering - what metal is this on?
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No problem Jady :) your products are top notch and well worth the coin :)
thanks mate, I enjoy designing and seeing if something is possible
Swinks, love the ACDC with blue lettering - what metal is this on?
they are all high percentage stainless steel blends with a mix of other metals to get the different colours.
so Peter's AC/DC is a dk grey with blue to suit his BIBLE
the gold is SS with 24 karat gold coating
the nickel is SS with a nickel coating
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Congrats on the game Peter, the Pro looks great!
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not to be negative but Kiss have listed the pins on their website and even the US prices are crazy - a few grand for the signed apron card $$( - lucky for you guys that bought a LE here in Aus
https://www.shopkissonline.com/pinball
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I think Aussie LE buyers were always gunna be in the money - pissibly long term as well. Sad re US - can't help feeling it's more about exploitation than anything to do with the fan base - but maybe I'm wrong.
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Personally I wouldn't worry too much about pricing forecasts in the US.
Most of those 50 KISS online army machines are reserved for the sole purpose of exploiting those fanatics who will buy the machine simply because it is KISS with scant regard for the asking price.
No doubt the band will also have a number of machines reserved for themselves plus extras they can cash in on to onsell for a premium. This is Gene Simmons we are talking about remember? The man just partnered up with a cartoon dog because there was a cheque at the end of it.
Having said that though, after making a few inquiries there are still regular pinball distros in the US who have LE stock on hand at the Stern advertised* price of 8795. Note advertised as Stern has a MAP (minimum advertised price) policy that all distributors must agree to. 99% of the distros I have communicated with are more than happy to sell for far below that price in order to secure the sale. Isn't competition great?
Betson Amusements as per usual will also have bought up big on LE stock at 800 pound gorilla wholesale pricing from Stern and will no doubt sit on it until after release before slowly listing them on ebay US for well above MSRP.
I think if you are determined you won't have too much trouble securing a LE machine but your best bet is to wait until the usual pricing hype dies down before outlaying the cash.
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The KISS fanbase will spend any amount on a merchandising product that the next KISS collector does not have. You really need to be a KISS fan to know what I'm taking about. I'm surprised the KISS Shop does not have the LE listed at $15,000.. Not kidding.
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Yep, the Kiss army would be stupid enough to pay whatever obscene Gene asks them to pay.
Crazy fooks!
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Congrats on the game Peter, the Pro looks great!
Thanks Adam I've had it for a while and it's still a blast :).
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My Kids are starting to ask about the new arrival.
As I did with my father, my son Zac will be present for the unboxing. I simply cannot wait.
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Keith Elwin playing the KISS LE :) I love watching the top players.
http://youtu.be/7C9HaoFo2Z0
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60 LE machines for Germany and a nice pin hauler to go with it.
http://www.pinball-universe.de/
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The German's always do it in style
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Your Pro looks awesome Pete - Gorgar !
Great value for $ and the $4,000 saving will go towards paying for half of your nest BNIB Stern as u mentioned on FB.
What are your highest scores and are u playing 3 or 5 ball games ?
How does the light show when the game is sitting waiting for someone to hit the start button compare to your ACDC light show. Better or just different ?
Your opinion on the music ? And do u prefer the new back box LED lighting or the older style Fluor tube ! For overall light ?
Glad u are having fun with the new pin.
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Your Pro looks awesome Pete - Gorgar !
Great value for $ and the $4,000 saving will go towards paying for half of your nest BNIB Stern as u mentioned on FB.
What are your highest scores and are u playing 3 or 5 ball games ?
How does the light show when the game is sitting waiting for someone to hit the start button compare to your ACDC light show. Better or just different ?
Your opinion on the music ? And do u prefer the new back box LED lighting or the older style Fluor tube ! For overall light ?
Glad u are having fun with the new pin.
Cheers Brett hope alls well :) music is awesome with spike but I need to get a sub :) the songs don't start again with a new ball like ACDC they continue, I like that feature. Spike LED's behind trans are heaps better nice spread out glow and adjustable brightness awesome. PF light show fantastic nice fade now instead of on or off like other led games similar to the older globes. I'm enjoying it so far being KISS themed helps a ton but it has a nice rule set out of box not hard so it's enjoyable. All my games are 5 ball haha Old age lol. Highest score around 160 million but improving.
Peter.
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My Kids are starting to ask about the new arrival.
As I did with my father, my son Zac will be present for the unboxing. I simply cannot wait.
Looks like you got in just before the price increase from AMD.
All existing LE stock has increased by another $600.
Now $11850 for a Wrestlemania or Mustang LE. Classic stuff. %.%
http://www.amdcoinop.com/#!pinball-machines/c17eu
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My Kids are starting to ask about the new arrival.
As I did with my father, my son Zac will be present for the unboxing. I simply cannot wait.
Looks like you got in just before the price increase from AMD.
All existing LE stock has increased by another $600.
Now $11850 for a Wrestlemania or Mustang LE. Classic stuff. %.%
http://www.amdcoinop.com/#!pinball-machines/c17eu
This concerned me when I paid for my machine. I think that the price increases should not be taking advantage of the known demand for the KISS games. When my LE arrives, I have over a dozen KISS fans coming over to pick between a Pro and a Premium. If I told them the game has increased by $600 - I think at least a couple would lose interest.
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Added scoop Cliffy today :)
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Here is another must have for any Kiss fan, especially if you like Scooby Doo. Now this combination would have made a cool pinball machine, could have released it to coincide with the cartoon movie and everything. Maybe one day they will make a Scooby machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A35YBHx0ots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A35YBHx0ots)
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New KISS code update V1.04 :)
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New KISS code update V1.04 :)
Please report back. Very interested.
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New KISS code update V1.04 :)
Please report back. Very interested.
It's a big update and my farrking wireless is down :( may have to use mobile phone data or lunch at Maccas lol
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Like Blair, saw the Scooby Doo/kiss video today at the shops.
Caught my eye straight away.
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The red trim on the Code Update photo Pete uploaded looks great.
Waiting to see what a nice purple would look like on the Pro instead of black.
Good to see Stern is on the ball now with lots of code updates for all titles.
New factory and new staff are doing Stern a good service it seems.
What's the next big title ?
Kiss and The Walking Dead plus others have been sensational. Plus various vault editions and WWE.
What's next. Exciting times for the pinball industry.
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Like Blair, saw the Scooby Doo/kiss video today at the shops.
Caught my eye straight away.
Wonder how much Scooby Doo got to perform with KISS? as it wouldn't be the other way around *.*
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Like Blair, saw the Scooby Doo/kiss video today at the shops.
Caught my eye straight away.
Wonder how much Scooby Doo got to perform with KISS? as it wouldn't be the other way around *.*
Once unmasked... yoikes!
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Like Blair, saw the Scooby Doo/kiss video today at the shops.
Caught my eye straight away.
Wonder how much Scooby Doo got to perform with KISS? as it wouldn't be the other way around *.*
Paid in Scooby Snacks. :lol
Food for thought.
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Finally got out of work and uploading code now :)
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A few members have sent me photos of their LE machines.
Has your LE machine arrived yet Nino ?
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A few members have sent me photos of their LE machines.
Has your LE machine arrived yet Nino ?
due this week. I'm very patient. The cliffy just arrived, so I'll be installing it and the code updates. Very excited if it was not for me falling sick (again)..
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You might need to add myler to the floating ball in the back to stop the line from appearing as well
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Nino, the birth and delivery of your KISS LE must feel like a new child coming into the family.
I am assuming it's only a few days away now or has the little one arrived.
It always feels like forever when u want something yesterday and you have to wait and wait.
Will u be doing a unboxing video/photos for the forum or even a bit of a KISS party for your local mates ?
I am most wanting your opinion of the gameplay and your impressions of the visual art packages.
I know u are super busy but when u get it, can u do a decent game review on it like u did for the Walking Dead LE machine ?
Can't wait to hear and see you post when your LE arrives. ^^^
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My LE has arrived. I have pictures. I just need time to post up my initial thoughts with pictures. I'll do that at some stage today.
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My LE has arrived. I have pictures. I just need time to post up my initial thoughts with pictures. I'll do that at some stage today.
Congratulations Nino. Well done mate.
I think a lot of people will enjoy the read and the photos. ^^^
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My LE has arrived. I have pictures. I just need time to post up my initial thoughts with pictures. I'll do that at some stage today.
Congrats dude, hope you enjoy it and there are no glaring qc problems.
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My LE has arrived. I have pictures. I just need time to post up my initial thoughts with pictures. I'll do that at some stage today.
Congrats dude, hope you enjoy it and there are no glaring qc problems.
So far so good. No glaring QC issues. Trust me - if they are there - I will find them !
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My LE has arrived. I have pictures. I just need time to post up my initial thoughts with pictures. I'll do that at some stage today.
Congrats dude, hope you enjoy it and there are no glaring qc problems.
So far so good. No glaring QC issues. Trust me - if they are there - I will find them !
Great news!
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Fun game :) no where as good as The Walking dead-maybe future code updates will close the gap.
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Fun game :) no where as good as The Walking dead-maybe future code updates will close the gap.
That surprises me Pete, thought you would love KISS, Over TWD anyway.
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Fun game :) no where as good as The Walking dead-maybe future code updates will close the gap.
That surprises me Pete, thought you would love KISS, Over TWD anyway.
Theme aside mate its probably down to early code :) I am enjoying it but like TWD & MET once a massive code drops I'm hoping it'll shine I just wish Lyman was doing the code :) probably fair to compare it in 6 months but back to walking dead its crazy good there's a ton of love for it.
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Kiss code 1.05 is out.
Get onto it guys.
Only update for the topper. Bugger.
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Kiss code 1.05 is out.
Get onto it guys.
Only update for the topper. Bugger.
Cheers :) my topper arrives November so it'll be coded can't wait.
Also added a active sub woofer today wow what a difference :) spike has a jack so just plug it in and boom :)
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Kiss code 1.05 is out.
Get onto it guys.
Only update for the topper. Bugger.
1.05 changes are for the topper support and validator.
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Still no code update. How long has this title been in people's homes ? !*!
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Still no code update. How long has this title been in people's homes ? !*!
8 months I think - comes down to the programmer unfortunately :( Lonnie made a mess of Star Trek and Dwight had to fix it now he's slow with Kiss whereas Lyman is code king look at The Walking Dead and I think Dwight is doing GoT.
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and rumour is Dwight is also doing the soon to be released Ghostbusters
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Nino, or any person, can u pls list the songs that are on the latest KISS machine ?
I have had a quick play at Timezone but I couldn't hear a dam thing the arcade was that loud & I didn't get to find out if the KISS game had the jukebox/radio style deal that ACDC has.
Also, how is your KISS machine going Nino ?
Would be good to hear your thoughts after owning this game for apx 6 months now ?
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Detroit Rock City
Rock and Roll All Nite
Shout It out Loud
Black Diamond
Hotter Than Hell
Lick It Up
I Love It Loud
My machine remains unplayed for 3-4 weeks. The promised code update prior to Christmas didn't eventuate, and I'm tired of playing the game with the music cutting out all the time. This was SUPPOSED to be part of the first code update, but it seems GOT needs it's fifth update and that is more important than finishing KISS.
I love the game. The artwork is amazing, but the game has very basic code, and key features don't seem to work. Rules don't work, so going after multiball 3-4 times a game to build a decent score is mundane. If the theme was not my favorite band of all time, I would have flipped it by now.
Based on this experience, I would never consider owning another new Stern (or recommending them to prospective buyers). How they can get away with this is beyond me. So yea, it is a GREAT LOOKING $11,500 ornament, and Stern have made a shitload out of KISS fans, so why bother updating the code on KISS when they "must have" serious problems with the NEWER GOT that no ones seems to want ?
It seems Stern are far more interested in redundant and overpriced toppers than actually selling a fully working and functional pinball machine.
I play Paragon to death now. Seems the code is done on this 37 year old game @@^
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I totally agree with Nino's comments and my paragon is getting a good working out also.
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Stern has a fine line to work with.
They can sell pins fast & get the sales and the cashflow and do code updates
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They can release the game much later like JJP and have a lot of pissed off people who either pull out and get their $ back or stick with their purchase begrudgingly because the game is 12 or 24 months late.
As a consumer, I would rather go with pin now versus later and have code updated.
In a perfect world, Stern could employ more people but I am wondering just how many pinball code people are available to hire these days.
But I hear what you are saying. Code update for Kiss would be great. I am sure it's not too far away.
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Stern have new code people from the next generation talent pool but they won't give them enough leeway to let them stretch their coding legs due to the stupid belief amongst the Stern faithful that every pin code wise has to be left in the hands of the old guard from the 1980's for them to consider buying one.
This dinosaur philosophy is one of the reasons why Stern is constantly being left behind in terms of new development and is always playing catchup with other companies regardless of whether they squeeze out another title 2-3 times a year versus one every three years.
Regarding JJP - every buyer including myself from the original 1000 LE preorderers knew from the outset there would be hiccups and delays. The difference between JJP and some of other current boutique "manufacturers" is that the former was not only approachable in terms of professionalism but kept everyone up to date with what was happening including unforeseen circumstances. And code update 6.04 for WOZ should be released in the next week or so.
A simple concept that some of these startups just cannot seem to grasp or will not accept is that an approachable personality goes a long way with those consumers who have the disposable income to purchase a NIB machine. Not everyone has the inclination or desire to truckle over some chestpuffing blowhard in fact the opposite usually rings true.
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Stern has a fine line to work with.
They can sell pins fast & get the sales and the cashflow and do code updates
OR
They can release the game much later like JJP and have a lot of pissed off people who either pull out and get their $ back or stick with their purchase begrudgingly because the game is 12 or 24 months late.
As a consumer, I would rather go with pin now versus later and have code updated.
In a perfect world, Stern could employ more people but I am wondering just how many pinball code people are available to hire these days.
But I hear what you are saying. Code update for Kiss would be great. I am sure it's not too far away.
Just gotta be patient hey-there will be a big update soon. All pinball company's take years to finish there games, I read somewhere that some of the B/W clunkers aren't even finished. Better to have a regular choice :)
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Never bought nib but for me, I'd rather wait and get a good player than what I'm hearing. A bit like buying a star wars 1000 piece jig saw puzzle and missing the middle 100 pieces. I'm a star wars fan but that'd be pushing the friendship
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I understand that we all want to draw comparisons on how everyone else produces their games. Drawing analogies with Bally Williams games puts things right in perspective. How many code updates did ST TNG need ? None. One of the deepest rule sets combined with engineering that was the pinnacle at that time. The game worked. It was only lazy technicians that could not fix the complex arrangement on this game.
But I digress..
I spent $11,500 on a game that has waited, since unboxing, for a code update to fix the sound / music. This is a music themed pinball. Imagine you bought a CD that kept skipping. You would take it back and have it replaced. You would not accept it and just "look" at the CD cover ?
Stern have had 6 months. What have they done for buyers of the KISS machine ? Spent time and money on a redundant over priced topper ? Released side armor and shooter knobs ?
What about finishing the game so we can enjoy it, rather than look at it ?
Before I bought my game, I knew it would be unfinished code - but what have they done ? Incorporated a Bill dispenser and a crappy topper ? What about fixing the sound issue ? Maybe a couple of updates (Like TWD - which vastly improved the game). Why are they spending so much time on GOT updates ? Every second week there's a update..
I love looking at my KISS LE - But that's all it is good for at the moment. Great sales pitch for buyers that considered the game and passed.
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Never bought nib but for me, I'd rather wait and get a good player than what I'm hearing. A bit like buying a star wars 1000 piece jig saw puzzle and missing the middle 100 pieces. I'm a star wars fan but that'd be pushing the friendship
It's not that bad mate lol it's actually not to bad out of the box :) I mean I haven't got to the wizard mode yet lol there's super modes multiballs I think combos :) I agree there's inserts not coded but that'll happen but no where near as bad as Met & TWD and they are both two of the best games around. Having said that a big update will be nice. My advice just wait and when codes finished then buy it's no secret that Stern are slow coding lol
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Stern have new code people from the next generation talent pool but they won't give them enough leeway to let them stretch their coding legs due to the stupid belief amongst the Stern faithful that every pin code wise has to be left in the hands of the old guard from the 1980's for them to consider buying one.
This dinosaur philosophy is one of the reasons why Stern is constantly being left behind in terms of new development and is always playing catchup with other companies regardless of whether they squeeze out another title 2-3 times a year versus one every three years.
Regarding JJP - every buyer including myself from the original 1000 LE preorderers knew from the outset there would be hiccups and delays. The difference between JJP and some of other current boutique "manufacturers" is that the former was not only approachable in terms of professionalism but kept everyone up to date with what was happening including unforeseen circumstances. And code update 6.04 for WOZ should be released in the next week or so.
A simple concept that some of these startups just cannot seem to grasp or will not accept is that an approachable personality goes a long way with those consumers who have the disposable income to purchase a NIB machine. Not everyone has the inclination or desire to truckle over some chestpuffing blowhard in fact the opposite usually rings true.
I understood the first half of your post and you totally totally lost me with the 2nd half of the post cause I could not work out what you were even talking about !
Firstly, the guess that only the old guard from the 1980,s are the only programmers allowed to do programming of code at Stern I feel is totally incorrect.
Stern have announced 4 new young programmers in the past 12 months.
Also, unless any person visits Stern direct at the factory & is told directly from management as to who does and who doesn't do the code, it's all a guess.
Sure, the big programming names are thrown about, but Stern has made it clear that it's a team of people doing code on each title, not just one person.
It would be nice to see factual posts that include more facts & more constructive info than emotional negative criticism.
In the pinball world we sold be all looking for constructive answers/soloutions versus plain old bagging.
I guess some people just love to hate & others like to support our hobby/industry's big players.
Each to their own.
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I don't mind some stern titles and kiss looks the goods, but it was put out there that its better to have a game unfinished than waiting. Unfortunately I maybe the few who can wait. I don't need to download inferior copies of movies because I can't wait for them to hit Oz. So I'd prefer if Stern to ship games with close to complete coding in that most inserts and targets etc award or achieve something. Your acdc is a pearla because of its rule set and it being there to enjoy. To be fair I don't know what's missing or wrong with kiss if anything. But I do like a product that is complete. Bugs I can live with, with the promise of fixes in a timely fashion.
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Never bought nib but for me, I'd rather wait and get a good player than what I'm hearing. A bit like buying a star wars 1000 piece jig saw puzzle and missing the middle 100 pieces. I'm a star wars fan but that'd be pushing the friendship
It's not that bad mate lol it's actually not to bad out of the box :) I mean I haven't got to the wizard mode yet lol there's super modes multiballs I think combos :) I agree there's inserts not coded but that'll happen but no where near as bad as Met & TWD and they are both two of the best games around. Having said that a big update will be nice. My advice just wait and when codes finished then buy it's no secret that Stern are slow coding lol
Add the fact that they have moved factory on the run and have added a lot of staff and have had two fulltime production lines up and running with about 6 different titles still being produced daily at the factory, and they still can't keep up with the orders and they are running flat out at capacity with a world wide boom, and it's probably easy to see why Stern are running flat chat & have probably been surprised at the demand they are experiencing, and the icing of the cake being final code updates is behind.
Ian like you Pete, I am happy for the 80 or 90 percent out of 100 I get from Stern upfront & am cool to wait for the final icing. I focus on the majority of the good/great I get as a Stern frequent consumer.
Nino made a point about Star Trek Next Gen but it also had at least one or two code updates after sale and it was when the pinball industry was at its biggest with many more staff and customers pro rata.
Comparing the industry then and the industry now isn't comparing apples to apples.
The industry is on its way up from oblivion versus at its peak in a different era.
Let's see how long the Kiss code update takes.
I am hearing that it's due very soon after sending a email to the factory.
Either way, the Kiss pinball is stunning to see in person.
That's one thing I am sure we all agree on. Lol
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I don't mind some stern titles and kiss looks the goods, but it was put out there that its better to have a game unfinished than waiting. Unfortunately I maybe the few who can wait. I don't need to download inferior copies of movies because I can't wait for them to hit Oz. So I'd prefer if Stern to ship games with close to complete coding in that most inserts and targets etc award or achieve something. Your acdc is a pearla because of its rule set and it being there to enjoy. To be fair I don't know what's missing or wrong with kiss if anything. But I do like a product that is complete. Bugs I can live with, with the promise of fixes in a timely fashion.
It's a good point.
The only issue is that Stern & JJP limit the LE production run to keep resale values high and to make machines highly collectable so if like Nino, you decide to buy a model above the Pro, in order to get one, you have t buy early & like all releases of series one anything, u have to live with a code update from time to time.
That's one reason I always buy the Pro from Stern.
I can wait for the bugs to be ironed out both physically and code wise, then I get the machine that is series 2 so to speak which like cars or jetskis or anything technical, waiting can be most beneficial.
As a LE buyer, you have to be prepared with any company to wait for updates etc.
it's either that or buy the Pro after the first rush wave has finished lining up.
Go the Pro always I say.
Never played a Pro that I didn't think was absolute value for $.
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Didn't know pros are finished and le's may not be. My stern ignorance in this case. ^^^
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Didn't know pros are finished and le's may not be. My stern ignorance in this case. ^^^
Nah all the same rule set really-we all know Stern get the games out quick with some pretty cool themes then the code catches up its been that way for years, I've had it with Metallica TWD not as much with ACDC these are my experience, now if you buy a game from Stern you have to be patient and it's hard for me to but that's how it is :) right or wrong Who knows! but that's the way it is now KISS is one of the better games out of the box code wise and as Brett mentioned they have employed more younger code guys so it may speed things up I'm not sure but we are lucky they are pumping out pinball and I'm thankful for that. The house collector does expect deeper rules than years ago when most but not all games where sited with basic code.
That's my thoughts anyway.
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Didn't know pros are finished and le's may not be. My stern ignorance in this case. ^^^
stern has historically released code for Pro bug fixes first cause it's easier. A lot more code on the LE models.
More moving parts and a few extra features req code.
If u look at Pro code update lists, usually half the additions.
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Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
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Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
As long as the fans keep handing over the cash Stern is not under any pressure to get the games right when they ship. Business only gets away with what its customers allow it to.
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Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
As long as the fans keep handing over the cash Stern is not under any pressure to get the games right when they ship. Business only gets away with what its customers allow it to.
That's right Sterns doing something right :) and there's still people handing over money and waiting 3 years for delivery go figure lol
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Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
As long as the fans keep handing over the cash Stern is not under any pressure to get the games right when they ship. Business only gets away with what its customers allow it to.
That's right Sterns doing something right :) and there's still people handing over money and waiting 3 years for delivery go figure lol
Well if getting away with that is doing something right, then Stern certainly are doing so in spades! lol
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Never bought nib but for me, I'd rather wait and get a good player than what I'm hearing. A bit like buying a star wars 1000 piece jig saw puzzle and missing the middle 100 pieces. I'm a star wars fan but that'd be pushing the friendship
It's not that bad mate lol it's actually not to bad out of the box :) I mean I haven't got to the wizard mode yet lol there's super modes multiballs I think combos :) I agree there's inserts not coded but that'll happen but no where near as bad as Met & TWD and they are both two of the best games around. Having said that a big update will be nice. My advice just wait and when codes finished then buy it's no secret that Stern are slow coding lol
Add the fact that they have moved factory on the run and have added a lot of staff and have had two fulltime production lines up and running with about 6 different titles still being produced daily at the factory, and they still can't keep up with the orders and they are running flat out at capacity with a world wide boom, and it's probably easy to see why Stern are running flat chat & have probably been surprised at the demand they are experiencing, and the icing of the cake being final code updates is behind.
Ian like you Pete, I am happy for the 80 or 90 percent out of 100 I get from Stern upfront & am cool to wait for the final icing. I focus on the majority of the good/great I get as a Stern frequent consumer.
Nino made a point about Star Trek Next Gen but it also had at least one or two code updates after sale and it was when the pinball industry was at its biggest with many more staff and customers pro rata.
Comparing the industry then and the industry now isn't comparing apples to apples.
The industry is on its way up from oblivion versus at its peak in a different era.
Let's see how long the Kiss code update takes.
I am hearing that it's due very soon after sending a email to the factory.
Either way, the Kiss pinball is stunning to see in person.
That's one thing I am sure we all agree on. Lol
We were told it would definitely be "around Christmas". That post, and several others have been selectively removed from the Stern Facebook page.
Your other point regarding industry comparison further proves my point. Back when ST TNG was released, there was no home market. Operators bought whatever the manufacturer produced. It was harder to update code due to the fact operators would rely on a distributor to provide them with the rare updates (on ROMs). Machine code was done at the point of manufacturing. The ratio of home owners vs operators is heavily tipping towards home owners. The fact is that several KISS fans passed on the Premiums due to warranty support (poor playfield clears on previous releases) and the lack of code development. But they keep updating GOT !
Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
Because consumers accept it ? Because KISS buyers were told there would be updates so we can enjoy our $11,500 ornaments ?
My NIB experience was an extremely positive one (initially). I was told not to turn the game on and immediately update the shipping code. so I swapped out the memory card. The first game had the sound cutting out, which Stern knew about at the time of shipping. Here we are, 6 months later, with the sound problems not fixed. Many playfield features are simply not included (Cities, Colossal Bonus, no sounds on inlanes etc etc). So this is "normal" for Stern buyers ?
Using that analogy, I'll go out and buy a new Holden. Indicators are installed, but not working. The headlights are installed but not working. The CD / Radio has no volume and the windows should be able to go down by Christmas ! This will all be addressed after we finish marketing the next model.
Stern should charge accordingly. The finished game is worth $11,500. My LE has incomplete code, so I'll pay 50% now, and 50% when they complete the game. Of course this is unrealistic, but this is what NIB buyer SHOULD expect ? I thought is was far fetched until I experienced it.
code updates as "enhancements" - like what Stern have done with TWD = Fantastic. I love the idea. Updates resulting from fan feedback = awesome.
But code updates 6 months late (to fix shipping code issues) because Stern are too "busy" with code updates for NEW games so they can increase lagging sales ? what about CURRENT customers with games that need code to make the game playable ? Every single person that has played my LE has noticed the sound issue. That's FANTASTIC advertising. "Oh, that will be fixed one day when Stern complete the code"
If Stern or anyone else things this is not adversely affecting sales, then think again. It is not acceptable for a new product.
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Why is code updates even being discussed?
Stern has been doing it this way for years
It took 2-3 years for them to finish the code for TDK, and that is an eight year old game
As long as the fans keep handing over the cash Stern is not under any pressure to get the games right when they ship. Business only gets away with what its customers allow it to.
That's right Sterns doing something right :) and there's still people handing over money and waiting 3 years for delivery go figure lol
Well if getting away with that is doing something right, then Stern certainly are doing so in spades! lol
True but do remember that people are doing just that for companies that have never yet produced a pinball machine. They then cross their fingers for a few years and PRAY that the machine will eventuate. Then they pray it will look the goods.. then pray that it plays well... then pray that the manufacturing quality is as expected.
Is an odd game is pinball...
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Yes, but there a many companies building cars
Right now there is only one volume builderof pinball machines
If you want a NIB machine, you have to have it theStern way
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Right now there is only one volume builderof pinball machines
If you want a NIB machine, you have to have it theStern way
Well I am glad they are around still making games, but its a pity they take advantage of being the major producer.
True but do remember that people are doing just that for companies that have never yet produced a pinball machine. They then cross their fingers for a few years and PRAY that the machine will eventuate. Then they pray it will look the goods.. then pray that it plays well... then pray that the manufacturing quality is as expected.
Is an odd game is pinball...
It is the way isn't it? I have only once gone on the "pay and pray" line, don't think I have the stomach for it any more!
It was harder to update code due to the fact operators would rely on a distributor to provide them with the rare updates (on ROMs). Machine code was done at the point of manufacturing.
That'll be one of Stern's arguments - it's easy to update these days.
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It's Stern, this is how they roll. Nothing new here.
If you buy a new game from Stern expect the code rollercoaster and cross your fingers that the game gets completed to your satisfaction because there is a very good chance it won't be.
The only things you can count on from Stern are price hikes and cost cutting.
:tumble:
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Another update for game of thrones. No mention of kiss
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Yes, but there a many companies building cars
Right now there is only one volume builderof pinball machines
If you want a NIB machine, you have to have it theStern way
Stern have been bailed out twice in recent times because of cost cutting and other issues. I'm GLAD investors saved Stern, but having said that, JJP have made one game (ok - it has taken 4 years longer than it should have) - but that game (WOZ) caused the ripple effect of Stern having to lift their standards. So what happens when JJP improve their build time ? Spooky Pinball / Heighway.. Stern knows it's about to change again.
"The Stern way" - Not necessarily - and this I've seen first hand. I had two customers want to purchase a KISS Premium. So I invited them to my place to play my LE. The first immediately noticed the sound issues, and backed out. He since bought my last TZ as a High End Restoration. This is based PURELY on the sound / code issues. The second customer is sitting on the fence, and was waiting to see if the code updates were worth the $ (no code update = customer in limbo).
Cue the "Nino is a Stern basher" argument. Bollocks - Inviting people into my home and convincing them "everything will be alright once the code gets updated" does not work for the average pinball enthusiast. Just imagine APR saying - "We provide the highest quality restoration work. Please just accept the fact that the gumball machine does not work, the magnets don't pulse, and the clock won't spin. We are currently busy restoring an Indy, so we will look at your TZ next week. Or the week after. Maybe next month.." I'd be out of business in a week (or just be considered a dealer %$%).
It's Stern, this is how they roll. Nothing new here.
If you buy a new game from Stern expect the code rollercoaster and cross your fingers that the game gets completed to your satisfaction because there is a very good chance it won't be.
The only things you can count on from Stern are price hikes and cost cutting.
:tumble:
I'd love to change that.
Why can't we expect the game that rolls off the floor is 100% coded. The ONLY updates will be for enhancements, or fixes.
Moving factories, having 40 production lines, hiring 65790 staff means nothing to customers. Having a 100% completed game is what sells product. Stern needs to change, not US.
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Another update for game of thrones. No mention of kiss
That's a joke. So how many GoT update thus far ? I'd say that's at least it's fifth. Buggy software ? Not enough sales ? ^&^ ^&^
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The only thing that will change it is if people stop buying Stern NIB games but that is not about to happen any time soon as there will always be plenty of lemmings lining up to buy the next incomplete game.
Right now they have the pinball community and dealers by the balls and they know it.
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A good Stern thread always gets AP up and running lol
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Nino, i know you are not a Stern basher
But I don't think JJP will be here in 5 years
Highway shows promise, but time will tell
Spooky pinball seems to be happy being a low run company, no threat to Stern
And we have yet to see Mikes Thunderbirds
Cannot see Stern being g under any pressure to improve
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A good Stern thread always gets AP up and running lol
nothing better than a good "stern" debate @@^
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A good Stern thread always gets AP up and running lol
nothing better than a good "stern" debate @@^
But there is nothing to debate, I think we all know the facts about this product. &&
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I am happy cause I have heard the word Stern said 100 times in the last 20 posts. Lol
Pinball machines are just like any series 1 release of any new car.
They are sent out, tested & examined, the feedback is given to the factory and the physical & software updates are made and the car is changed accordingly.
That's why there are Series 2 & series 3 releases on all products.
At least with Stern, when the code update is made, everyone has the same machine. Identical.
But with cars, the series 1 buyers never get the physical changes & updates the series 2 buyer gets.
That would piss me off a lot more, hence I never buy series1 anything.
The car companies never get it right or perfect on product release & they have billions, so how do people think a reviving Stern can ever get it right in a market climbing out of oblivion !
I am just happy we still have a pinball industry manufacturing industry that is still alive & improving everyday.
No one ever said the products were perfect but they are trying.
One point I do want to make Nino is that you have a few year wait on machines in your APR business apparently & you have always said "people will wait" so I sometimes scratch my head when u say you are pissed u have had to wait 6 months for Stern to complete a pinball with code ! !
In this industry, none of us can have our cake & eat it too.
Anyway, it is what it is.
Perfection takes time, and it won't happen overnight but it will happen.
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I read this from Stern online re someone asking about code for a title other than GOT.
(Message start from Stern as at today's date below)
Sorry. That's just not how it works. Some updates are extremely complex and have quite a bit of code. Some are very light and are basically bug fixes. In the case of this particular update you are seeing here only a handful of changes have been made.
In the case of the upcoming WWE update you will see a much more comprehensive list of changes.
Different development teams within our company are assigned different projects and work at different speeds for a variety of factors.
Stern remains committed to providing quality code.
(Message end from Stern)
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Heres a solution for all you Stern chaps out there. Its obvious that some don't mind waiting for code updates while some do. As for the continual car analogy, its utter tripe as a series 1 car is still a complete car.. you don't take it in for updates so the thing will drive another 100klms do you?
Anyway... new Sterns are now some $12K... that's an awful lot of moolah. Sterns marketing ploy is that IF you want to own a title you have to buy incomplete to secure it ( its a pretty shithouse situation). So we end up with people like Nino who have to buy in order to own whether they like it or not. LE's are just that.. well, meant to be limited edition. In all fairness, these games should come fully coded... but they don't.
So a 12K machine is sold for $10K and if you want code updates then you buy them from Stern.. complete code is $2K. Or you can keep your $10K version as it is.
No hang on a minute.. that wont work as it still means Stern have to have completed code as an added extra and completing code is Sterns achilles heel.
Ok - plan B.
You all pay a deposit to secure a game..LE..Pro whatever but don't pay the full amount till code is finished and then you get your game... now this is fair to both parties because at the moment Stern are taking your money for something they don't have.
Oh.. forgot, its pinball and this is accepted practice.
Ok everyone, move along, nothing to see here
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I was right, it took almost two years for Stern to complete the code for Batman
two years is too long
but then again, updating code is not new just for Stern
I know I have had to update the ROM on The Getaway and for fish tales
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I am happy cause I have heard the word Stern said 100 times in the last 20 posts. Lol
Pinball machines are just like any series 1 release of any new car.
They are sent out, tested & examined, the feedback is given to the factory and the physical & software updates are made and the car is changed accordingly.
That's why there are Series 2 & series 3 releases on all products.
At least with Stern, when the code update is made, everyone has the same machine. Identical.
But with cars, the series 1 buyers never get the physical changes & updates the series 2 buyer gets.
That would piss me off a lot more, hence I never buy series1 anything.
The car companies never get it right or perfect on product release & they have billions, so how do people think a reviving Stern can ever get it right in a market climbing out of oblivion !
I am just happy we still have a pinball industry manufacturing industry that is still alive & improving everyday.
No one ever said the products were perfect but they are trying.
One point I do want to make Nino is that you have a few year wait on machines in your APR business apparently & you have always said "people will wait" so I sometimes scratch my head when u say you are pissed u have had to wait 6 months for Stern to complete a pinball with code ! !
In this industry, none of us can have our cake & eat it too.
Anyway, it is what it is.
Perfection takes time, and it won't happen overnight but it will happen.
Here's the latest FB posting - "We don't necessarily update games in the order they were released. The process is much more complex. We release code updates frequently, and will continue to do so".
So let me apply that to your comments above (bold);
At the time of payment, APR promise that Twilight Zone is fully and completely restored. Everything works - perfectly. The last warranty issue reported was years ago (was a shipping problem on a ST TNG)
At the time of payment, Stern promise a "shipping code" version of an incomplete game. You can buy side armor, toppers and fancy shooter knobs. At the time you receive your game, you already have a warranty claim, that is waiting on code updates, or could be faulty SD cards. The waiting period to complete the game depends on how well the subsequent game sells, and whether our coders are too busy working on Jaws, Muppets or Ghostbusters. We promise a code update to fix all these issues "around Christmas - but we are not sure what year.
Don't confuse "Waiting for a completed game" with "Waiting on a new game to be completed".
We apply Stern's model of NIB sales to pinball restoration - At the time of payment, Stern promise a Twilight Zone, with custom topper, custom siderails and a custom plunger knob (Extra $1500). As consumers are already accustomed to, the Gumball machine is currently in development, the upper flippers are disabled and the mini playfield don't work. We will finished the game after we have completed an Indiana Jones, Addams Family and Fishtales.
As others have pointed out, people will respond with their wallets. I've now seen it first hand. I'm not smirking about this, I'd rather the pinhead bought a KISS Premium to be honest.
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I am happy cause I have heard the word Stern said 100 times in the last 20 posts. Lol
Pinball machines are just like any series 1 release of any new car.
They are sent out, tested & examined, the feedback is given to the factory and the physical & software updates are made and the car is changed accordingly.
That's why there are Series 2 & series 3 releases on all products.
At least with Stern, when the code update is made, everyone has the same machine. Identical.
But with cars, the series 1 buyers never get the physical changes & updates the series 2 buyer gets.
That would piss me off a lot more, hence I never buy series1 anything.
The car companies never get it right or perfect on product release & they have billions, so how do people think a reviving Stern can ever get it right in a market climbing out of oblivion !
I am just happy we still have a pinball industry manufacturing industry that is still alive & improving everyday.
No one ever said the products were perfect but they are trying.
One point I do want to make Nino is that you have a few year wait on machines in your APR business apparently & you have always said "people will wait" so I sometimes scratch my head when u say you are pissed u have had to wait 6 months for Stern to complete a pinball with code ! !
In this industry, none of us can have our cake & eat it too.
Anyway, it is what it is.
Perfection takes time, and it won't happen overnight but it will happen.
Well said mate :)
Great to see AP running hot thx Stern-although half these posts I can't read lol
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The Cargument again......... :lol
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I am happy cause I have heard the word Stern said 100 times in the last 20 posts. Lol
Pinball machines are just like any series 1 release of any new car.
They are sent out, tested & examined, the feedback is given to the factory and the physical & software updates are made and the car is changed accordingly.
That's why there are Series 2 & series 3 releases on all products.
At least with Stern, when the code update is made, everyone has the same machine. Identical.
But with cars, the series 1 buyers never get the physical changes & updates the series 2 buyer gets.
That would piss me off a lot more, hence I never buy series1 anything.
The car companies never get it right or perfect on product release & they have billions, so how do people think a reviving Stern can ever get it right in a market climbing out of oblivion !
I am just happy we still have a pinball industry manufacturing industry that is still alive & improving everyday.
No one ever said the products were perfect but they are trying.
One point I do want to make Nino is that you have a few year wait on machines in your APR business apparently & you have always said "people will wait" so I sometimes scratch my head when u say you are pissed u have had to wait 6 months for Stern to complete a pinball with code ! !
In this industry, none of us can have our cake & eat it too.
Anyway, it is what it is.
Perfection takes time, and it won't happen overnight but it will happen.
Well said mate :)
Great to see AP running hot thx Stern-although half these posts I can't read lol
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Being patient with anything & everything in life when most of us are 40 years or over is
Either
1. f**king hard
Or
2. Bloody easy
I understand when it comes to anything pinball, I am cruisey & probably easy to deal with cause it's my fun hobby & I just love pinball cause it's been the best 7 years of my life.
Having said that, other things in life totally shit me to tears within 5 seconds & I have no tolerance or patience on whatsoever, so if some people are not as patient as I am with anything pinball that pisses them off, then Fair Enough.
We all have different levels of expectations.
But I digress, I am a Stern fanboy & they can do little wrong in my eyes. Lol <..>
My belief system is guided by my 6 year old son when he plays the pinballs cause he doesn't care about politics or code or whatever, I just see his face playing the machines & that's what consumes me.
I am hoping the KISS code is done ASAP so everyone is made happy.
It can't be too long away.
Also, anyone not happy with their Kiss LE is welcome to sell it to me ! Lol
Don't forget, if u are really unhappy with it in its current state, you shouldn't mind selling it to me cheap since it's not so great. Lol <.>
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Taken from Pinside and I gotta agree :)
"As far as Stern code, I've come to terms with their system. It was really easy to blast them for taking a year or more on most titles, cause, after all...Uncle Willy almost NEVER released unfinished games.
But then you think about it...even an early code Stern is usually as deep as any of those Williams games. Even something like KISS as it is now. So I'll cut them some slack...games like Metallica and Walking Dead are just average releases until the code gets updated. They are working real miracles with the code and it takes time"
"The more I play Kiss, the more I enjoy it. The code can absolutely improve, but Jesus Christ, the game has 4 multiballs, a wizard mode, hurry-ups, super scoring, etc. Combined with some difficult shots, it's still a ton of fun. Kiss plays kind of like a jacked SS game, but I think we've come to expect more with modern games. Kiss isn't abandoned or forgotten... It's just taking longer than anticipated for a killer update"
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Taken from Pinside and I gotta agree :)
"As far as Stern code, I've come to terms with their system. It was really easy to blast them for taking a year or more on most titles, cause, after all...Uncle Willy almost NEVER released unfinished games.
But then you think about it...even an early code Stern is usually as deep as any of those Williams games. Even something like KISS as it is now. So I'll cut them some slack...games like Metallica and Walking Dead are just average releases until the code gets updated. They are working real miracles with the code and it takes time"
"The more I play Kiss, the more I enjoy it. The code can absolutely improve, but Jesus Christ, the game has 4 multiballs, a wizard mode, hurry-ups, super scoring, etc. Combined with some difficult shots, it's still a ton of fun. Kiss plays kind of like a jacked SS game, but I think we've come to expect more with modern games. Kiss isn't abandoned or forgotten... It's just taking longer than anticipated for a killer update"
Sarcasm ?
Williams finished the code all games except Cactus Canyon. DE, Sega, Gottlieb, Bally etc etc.. all shipped with finished code. The "unfinished code" is unique to Stern. JJP and Heighway ship completed code. Maybe enhancements are introduced later, but Stern are increasingly under pressure to release mature code AT LEAST.
I Love my KISS LE - but it is now unplayable. Multiball - yea the kids can get that easily. Multipliers, colossal bonus, cities, inlanes, some flashers, stuttering music - it is plagued with issues that have cost Stern sales and reputation. Each game they release gets worse. Hire more people, give the coders more freedom. As I explain to prospective buyers - Stern completes a game to the point is it AWESOME to look at and has an AWESOME attract mode. Just don't play it for 12 months while they finish the game.
Stern are lazy - because people (like me) buy games off the pictures / media releases. Operators are pulling KISS offsite as they are not making money any more due to code problems. HELLO STERN - do you listen to operators anymore ? The KISS removed from sites are being replaced with retro games. They USD TO BE replaced with the next model but operators are not investing in GoT = too expensive !
At each release you can be sure of two things ;
1 - Code is more and more basic
2 - Price increases from Stern
We have all seen how AWESOME the Ghostbusters art package and playfield innovation is. Hand drawn is hopefully the norm. The will sell on bells and whistles only - no one will know if anything works properly until it ships. Why do we keep paying for these games ? We should pay 50% now and the balance once Stern finish the game ?
My situation is typical. My wife even notices I don't play the game. It has not been played since Christmas. How does anyone justify spending $11,500 on a game that looks AWESOME, but is not finished ?
Again, this is NOT a Stern bashing post, so put away the gloves and propaganda. This needs to be fixed with our wallets until Stern provide completed games.
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Did u write Gary Stern a letter about the code ?
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Did u write Gary Stern a letter about the code ?
No. I spoke to Gary late last year and followed up with emails. None were replied.
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Did u write Gary Stern a letter about the code ?
No. I spoke to Gary late last year and followed up with emails. None were replied.
That was a cool story you told me at Michaels the other night Nino :) hi it's Gary Stern :) awesome.
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A guy on Pinside posted a code with a few new songs for the pro I'll give it a go :) updated soooo much better
V1.05 (Pro)
Game version -- Custom Version
Love It Loud -- Love It Loud (original recording)
Lick It Up -- Lick It Up (original recording)
Deuce -- No change
Calling Dr Love -- Heaven's On Fire
Black Diamond -- God of Thunder
Hotter Than Hell -- Christine Sixteen
Shout It Out Loud -- C'Mon And Love Me
Love Gun -- Love Gun (original recording)
Rock N Roll All Nite -- No change
Detroit Rock City -- No change
Please enjoy the code for personal use (not for profit). Have fun!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dxm0slgcheswfjv/KISS-1_05_new.spk?dl=0
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160211/633e9c4519a5257ca97a00d6faee3764.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160211/7fbfea816b77ee2218884c18da594ac6.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160211/9b8161721847a2816ff6980a9f2c8b3c.jpg)
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dunno about code updates but I think I regret not buying this game.; but LE version only. Maybe in 10 years time #@#
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Brilliant song selection. The game will sound much better with original recordings. Shame it is not available for the LE.
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Brilliant song selection. The game will sound much better with original recordings. Shame it is not available for the LE.
Mate the sound is 100% better I'm amazed. Someone will do the LE and when they post it I'll let you know on AP.
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Brilliant song selection. The game will sound much better with original recordings. Shame it is not available for the LE.
Mate the sound is 100% better I'm amazed. Someone will do the LE and when they post it I'll let you know on AP.
Awesome - I hope that the LE has a similar update.
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If you wanna waste 7 min of your life look at my video :) my Daughter bought a GoPro hero 4 so thought I'd film kiss lol remember watch in HD
http://youtu.be/QAGjj1M4Ko4
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Thanks Peter for the video
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Thanks for the vid Pete, some good pinny skills you have there.
Had to laugh as you drained the last ball you earned an extra ball, your daughters hand went onto her hip as if to say hurry up dad! %.%
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Awesome video and an even better first ball - without even trying !
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Awesome video and an even better first ball - without even trying !
Stop watching the video and play the real thing ! *)*
Sorry Nino, seemed appropriate. :lol
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:D
I WILL ! As soon as new code is available !
Awesome video and an even better first ball - without even trying !
Stop watching the video and play the real thing ! *)*
Sorry Nino, seemed appropriate. :lol
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A collector is pulling the pin on their LE...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KISS-LE-Pinball-/151980344702?hash=item2362bc057e:g:yaUAAOSwFqJWrykH
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Now WWE has been updated.
Still no sign of kiss.
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WWE
:lol
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WWE
:lol
+1
That should make the one owner of this title very happy.
Meanwhile, I'm thinking of putting my KISS LE back in the box and replacing it with anything else. Most likely put the Fireball back.
A collector mentioned this the other day - due to the fact the games are shipping unfinished, when does the warranty period start ? I can't play my LE, so until the code fixes the sound issue, it is still under warranty.
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I thought I read somewhere on this thread that someone said KISS owners have waited a year for code update but that is not true at all.
Why, because Stern announced KISS Pinball on May 7 2015.
I remember it well cause that was my 45th Birthday.
So if the game was announced on 7 May and games weren't shipped out for 8 to 12 weeks min past the May date, that means Aussie buyers must have been getting their pins around July & August 2015 as a bare minimum. I thought it was actually much closer to Xmas for most buyers which means the wait time for code is even less !
Since it is only Feb 2016, that means it's only been 6 months max since Stern could have delivered Aussie machines & then started looking at new code updates.
So if my math is correct, it's been 6 months only maximum for people wanting the final code updates.
Add in all the other production lines going at Stern with so many other titles plus the factory move etc, and Stern is prob on target to release code soon.
So it hasn't been a year for code at all.
Hang in there LE owners, it can't be long now.
Also, like ACDC LE models, the Kiss LE models will surely climb in price so it will pay to be a bit more patient.
Does all that make sense regarding dates.
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Hopefully kiss pretty soon :)
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Why are Stern selling/shipping incomplete games in the first place?
Then making customers wait inordinate time to ensure they are playable.
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Just my opinion but maybe its a cash flow problem. Maybe for some reason they've gotten behind on the programming in the past but now need to keep selling machines to keep the production line going and the cash coming in. I can't imagine them stopping future production so the programming can catch up with a lot of workers to pay.
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I thought I read somewhere on this thread that someone said KISS owners have waited a year for code update but that is not true at all.
Why, because Stern announced KISS Pinball on May 7 2015.
I remember it well cause that was my 45th Birthday.
So if the game was announced on 7 May and games weren't shipped out for 8 to 12 weeks min past the May date, that means Aussie buyers must have been getting their pins around July & August 2015 as a bare minimum. I thought it was actually much closer to Xmas for most buyers which means the wait time for code is even less !
Since it is only Feb 2016, that means it's only been 6 months max since Stern could have delivered Aussie machines & then started looking at new code updates.
So if my math is correct, it's been 6 months only maximum for people wanting the final code updates.
Add in all the other production lines going at Stern with so many other titles plus the factory move etc, and Stern is prob on target to release code soon.
So it hasn't been a year for code at all.
Hang in there LE owners, it can't be long now.
Also, like ACDC LE models, the Kiss LE models will surely climb in price so it will pay to be a bit more patient.
Does all that make sense regarding dates.
It was a thread on the Stern FB page which was quite long and many KISS buyers were able to vent before it was tidied up and only had positive comments remain ( we don't want newbies to know Stern don't ship games with complete code !). If I remember correctly, the owner stated he PAID for the game 12 months ago, not received the game.
I received mine at the start of October, and reported the sound issue the next day. I was told that Stern knew about it and it would be fixed in the next code update. The next code update was to enable the horrible and expensive topper and to enable the bill validator. Technically, my game is still under warranty as the "code update" will fix my issue.I'm "one day" into my warranty.
I've been watching the Stern FB page daily and viewing comments such as "KISS update before Christmas", and now their constant "coming soon" is posted before the FB is tidied up (again). Even aussie Operators have been posting comments they are removing machines from site as they are incomplete and people can't play them. If Stern put as much effort in their coding as they do on FB censorship, then KISS may have had 10 updates by now !
There absolutely no way Stern can keep making up excuses. They need to hire more people or fire the inept coders to start off with. How many iPhone apps are released every day ? The amount of sales they have lost is inexcusable - and I see this "first hand" often.
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Why are Stern selling/shipping incomplete games in the first place?
Then making customers wait inordinate time to ensure they are playable.
Because the buying public accept this process without question (guilty as charged).
Just my opinion but maybe its a cash flow problem. Maybe for some reason they've gotten behind on the programming in the past but now need to keep selling machines to keep the production line going and the cash coming in. I can't imagine them stopping future production so the programming can catch up with a lot of workers to pay.
My theory is that Stern have made an absolute fortune on KISS. WWE and GoT didn't sell well so they pump more time into these games to make them better. The sales cycle for WWE would be over by now, but there has always been pressure from operators who lose money over time with poor and incomplete coding. Stern won't put too much effort into KISS, as they made the $ off the KISS fans. But GoT has effectively tanked compared to KISS, so by putting more time and code, they can stimulate sales. Proof would be if Stern provided sales figures, but we all know that won't happen !
I'm absolutely sure if anyone at KISS were aware of this issue, then Stern would get the bullet up their ass that they need to finish the game (gives me an idea..)
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So 4 months waiting for code give or take an extra 4 weeks.
It's not a huge time but I understand the code would most be welcomed.
I have enjoyed the Pro so don't know what the LE sound issue is but I hope it's fixed ASAP.
Surely it can't be far away.
Stern acknowledges the code requests publicly so they must be keen to get this sorted.
I don't think GOT has tanked, it seems to still be selling at a high rate but yes the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Maybe this code situation is Sterns biggest New Years resolution.
It would be a PR success to have it nailed finally.
Does anyone know who runs the Code Dept at Stern or is dropping the game designer a email the best way to get a realistic timeframe for next code update ?
I do know personally the game designers are the best to deal with and always answer unfiltered which in this case may be the way to go.
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Selling a pinball which isn't quite ready is like selling an uncooked chook!
Initially it seems ok but It will give you the shits in the end and leave a bad taste in your mouth ! @.@
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Selling a pinball which isn't quite ready is like selling an uncooked chook!
Initially it seems ok but It will give you the shits in the end and leave a bad taste in your mouth ! @.@
Quite true.
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Why are Stern selling/shipping incomplete games in the first place?
Then making customers wait inordinate time to ensure they are playable.
Because they can and the pinball buying public continues to allow them to do it.
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Selling a pinball which isn't quite ready is like selling an uncooked chook!
Initially it seems ok but It will give you the shits in the end and leave a bad taste in your mouth ! @.@
#*#
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Selling a pinball which isn't quite ready is like selling an uncooked chook!
Initially it seems ok but It will give you the shits in the end and leave a bad taste in your mouth ! @.@
Sounds like lesbianism! !*!
It gave someone the shits anyway. Probably well deserved as they were full of it to begin with.
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Here's a quote from a guy on Pinside that's apparently in the know!!
"KISS is not just getting an update and bug fix cleanup, it's getting a HUGE rework. This is why the delay"
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Sounds like spin to me... promise one thing and when you fail to deliver, dangle a bigger carrot.
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Here's a quote from a guy on Pinside that's apparently in the know!!
"KISS is not just getting an update and bug fix cleanup, it's getting a HUGE rework. This is why the delay"
The same person quoted this before Xmas...
Another substantial code update this month around the holiday if not sooner.
Not really "in the know" if you ask me.
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A huge rework is exactly what it needs cause atm it is a big pos.
*%*
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Beat me to it. Another beat up *%*
I'll Rolling Stones or Big Buck Hunter are the next "major" code updates before KISS. Meanwhile at Stern, they will no doubt be pooling all resources into mods for GoT or GB.
Here's a quote from a guy on Pinside that's apparently in the know!!
"KISS is not just getting an update and bug fix cleanup, it's getting a HUGE rework. This is why the delay"
The same person quoted this before Xmas...
Another substantial code update this month around the holiday if not sooner.
Not really "in the know" if you ask me.
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WOF needs a code update too.
:lol
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Beat me to it. Another beat up *%*
I'll Rolling Stones or Big Buck Hunter are the next "major" code updates before KISS. Meanwhile at Stern, they will no doubt be pooling all resources into mods for GoT or GB.
BBH is fine the way it is " best game ever " Apparently there is a WNBJM update soon too! now that is cool.
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard earned cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
"Hard on cash"!
If only I had a dollar for everyone!
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
It is funny and it is not.
It's funny that a company can produce defective machines straight off the line, and it is not funny when they keep making commitments to address these issues and at the same time flip over expensive and redundant extras for the title in question. This IS affecting sales and the companies' reputation.
It is funny when visitors look at the machine in all it's glory. Switched off and played only once this year. It is not funny when I could have used the $ to buy 3 or 4 other used games.
It is funny that people ACCEPT this way that Stern sells new games. It is not funny when the fact is that the games' warranty period has effectively not started because the games are not completed.
I definitely see the funny side of it, and I know that I would never recommend a Stern to any prospective NIB buyer, which is not funny.
it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
"Hard on cash"!
If only I had a dollar for everyone!
Lol thx for explaining the joke @delarge
Ok now where is the KISS code :)
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Sounds like spin to me... promise one thing and when you fail to deliver, dangle a bigger carrot.
Or a dog biscuit. %.%
Seriously, once the code does eventually drop so that the machine comes close to representing what was actually claimed in the original sales brochure, no doubt this will all be forgotten about and Stern can begin gearing up to rinse and repeat loyal customers for the next Stern machine in the "life cycle". #@#
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13651.0
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
It is funny and it is not.
It's funny that a company can produce defective machines straight off the line, and it is not funny when they keep making commitments to address these issues and at the same time flip over expensive and redundant extras for the title in question. This IS affecting sales and the companies' reputation.
It is funny when visitors look at the machine in all it's glory. Switched off and played only once this year. It is not funny when I could have used the $ to buy 3 or 4 other used games.
It is funny that people ACCEPT this way that Stern sells new games. It is not funny when the fact is that the games' warranty period has effectively not started because the games are not completed.
I definitely see the funny side of it, and I know that I would never recommend a Stern to any prospective NIB buyer, which is not funny.
it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
I've never got to the wizard mode either lol I'm not that good :) not good if it locks up.
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Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
Wait for the belated code update, then be an astute early adopter buyer and flip it. ^^^
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I have never prayed in my life, but I pray that Stern gets the Kiss code done yesterday.
I might even visit a Priest & get him to speak to the man upstairs to move this along so people's suffering can be alleviated.
Maybe a exorcism for Gary could be performed. We need a miracle.
Hurry up code people.
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
It is funny and it is not.
It's funny that a company can produce defective machines straight off the line, and it is not funny when they keep making commitments to address these issues and at the same time flip over expensive and redundant extras for the title in question. This IS affecting sales and the companies' reputation.
It is funny when visitors look at the machine in all it's glory. Switched off and played only once this year. It is not funny when I could have used the $ to buy 3 or 4 other used games.
It is funny that people ACCEPT this way that Stern sells new games. It is not funny when the fact is that the games' warranty period has effectively not started because the games are not completed.
I definitely see the funny side of it, and I know that I would never recommend a Stern to any prospective NIB buyer, which is not funny.
it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
What other company has finished code on release?
None as far as I know
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I have never prayed in my life, but I pray that Stern gets the Kiss code done yesterday.
I might even visit a Priest & get him to speak to the man upstairs to move this along so people's suffering can be alleviated.
Maybe a exorcism for Gary could be performed. We need a miracle.
Hurry up code people.
Lol that made me laugh mate :)
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
It is funny and it is not.
It's funny that a company can produce defective machines straight off the line, and it is not funny when they keep making commitments to address these issues and at the same time flip over expensive and redundant extras for the title in question. This IS affecting sales and the companies' reputation.
It is funny when visitors look at the machine in all it's glory. Switched off and played only once this year. It is not funny when I could have used the $ to buy 3 or 4 other used games.
It is funny that people ACCEPT this way that Stern sells new games. It is not funny when the fact is that the games' warranty period has effectively not started because the games are not completed.
I definitely see the funny side of it, and I know that I would never recommend a Stern to any prospective NIB buyer, which is not funny.
it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
What other company has finished code on release?
None as far as I know
None that I can think of :) I've read some B/W clunkers have unfinished code to.
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I have never prayed in my life, but I pray that Stern gets the Kiss code done yesterday.
I might even visit a Priest & get him to speak to the man upstairs to move this along so people's suffering can be alleviated.
Maybe a exorcism for Gary could be performed. We need a miracle.
Hurry up code people.
Maybe the thread would be better served if we could stick to factual statements instead of making up rubbish.
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it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
It is funny and it is not.
It's funny that a company can produce defective machines straight off the line, and it is not funny when they keep making commitments to address these issues and at the same time flip over expensive and redundant extras for the title in question. This IS affecting sales and the companies' reputation.
It is funny when visitors look at the machine in all it's glory. Switched off and played only once this year. It is not funny when I could have used the $ to buy 3 or 4 other used games.
It is funny that people ACCEPT this way that Stern sells new games. It is not funny when the fact is that the games' warranty period has effectively not started because the games are not completed.
I definitely see the funny side of it, and I know that I would never recommend a Stern to any prospective NIB buyer, which is not funny.
it can't come quick enough so we don't have to read the same complaints everyday. Lol
Hopefully it's not far off :) code at the moment isn't horrible :) how many kiss owners have got to the wizard mode? Be patient look at Metallica & TWD both long waits now both classics. We all know that's how Stern do it right or wrong we knew before we parted with our hard on cash. I would rather smaller more frequent updates like acdc but it is what it is.
Can't get to Wizard mode on the LE as the code is not complete and when I did start Wizard Mode last time it was already in the middle of a multiball, and the game effectively locked up and all the balls drained.
I did know that games shipped with basic code, and TWD LE had a code update before it was unboxed, and another quick code update. But the game WORKED FINE. There's a huge difference between providing a reasonable base code so the game can be played. KISS LE does not. We have been told BEFORE we unboxed that SOME games will have sound cutting out and modes crashing the game. This is a DEFECTIVE game - But we were told to hang on and wait for the code update to fix the defective code that causes the issues. That was in OCTOBER.
In my view, my warranty period has not started yet, as it was shipped with factory defects that we are told - will be fixed at the next code update. That's five months, and that's unacceptable.
Before the car analogies start - It is like I just bought a Ferrari, and I can't drive it until they send me the steering wheel. I can sit in the driver's seat and pretend it works. Just like Wizard Mode on the KISS LE. Both the Ferrari and KISS LE just sit in the gamesroom / garage and wait..
The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
It is not good enough. Not in this day and age. Yes - I am considering moving my LE on as it is unplayable.
What other company has finished code on release?
None as far as I know
Cactus Canyon
RFM - After completing the Wizard Mode, it just starts all over again - no real achievement acknowledgement.
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I remember changing a rom on my WH20 to add some extra stuff like ball save by memory no biggy but nowadays it's alot easier to update.
Anyway hoping kiss drops this weekend :)
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That rom change was for a home version
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The code updating now is easy compared to times gone past, awful Roms etc which were painful.
I am hoping the Wi Fi version makes life 10 times easier for all.
Does anyone know the current code update process for MM Remake ? Is it the same as Stern or different ?
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That rom change was for a home version
+1
Similar to TZ Home rom some minor tweaks here and there and added enhancements (pause game with flipper cradling the ball) but nothing like missing shots/targets.
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The fact that pinheads accept this is the "Stern way of making pinballs" - Fine. Accept it. But I would never look at buying another new Stern until they finish the games just like every other manufacturer has done and will do - except Stern.
+1
I have been this way since Xmen, that was my last NIB purchase. Pros were $6600 then and I thought that was expensive at the time.....lol. How times change!
Turned out to be a cool game in the end but it took ages to complete and imo it is still not finished, unless the dark phoenix wizard mode is now coded but I don't think it has been.
Other Stern games also suffer this fate, Avengers being a obvious example, it's still not completed either.
The business model stays the same but the prices keep rising and the buyer gets fleeced!
Something is very wrong here.
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That rom change was for a home version
So it had no ball save from factory??
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The Pope was on TV today and lost his temper.
There was a Stern code programmer in the crowd.
The programmer told him that Kiss coding wasn't ready yet.
The Pope went ballistic and insisted Gary Sterns exorcism start immediately.
He said to the code programmer "stop being selfish" . The LE needs fixing now cause the Pro boys have been done first.
God isn't happy.
Looks like my chat to the Priest has gotten results already. ;)
The Pope is on the job. It won't be long now !
Lol Lol stop it Brett the serious 3 won't be happy with you :) Remember this is serous shit-it's Sterns fault that the world has all these problems lol lol lol
World Famine & code updates are the Popes biggest pet hate this week.
Our flock shall be saved soon enough.
And who seriously doesn't want to see Gary get the exorcism from the bashers.
But Gary has a surprise up his sleeve, he will unleash litres of green slime whilst his head is spinning and scare the unhappy away. He has been practicing with his green slime stocks from the Ghostbusters Pinny. Lol
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That rom change was for a home version
So it had no ball save from factory??
No - it was like TZ, Addams - it was a deliberate design feature that was not included. To me, i quite like the challenge of playing these machines without a ball save, however, can understand it might be frustrating for a newbie off the street who has just paid $1 and its all over in 45 secs....although that is probably no different to most games i play on an EM!
TZ wouldn't work with a ball save particularly in tournaments, as people would probably take too much advantage if the powerball was next up in the ball trough, and deliberately drain the normal ball before it it get much higher chance of points during powerball mania
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Anyway..
Tonight I had the night off, so I thought I'd have a game or two on KISS. It has been long time since I've played the game, and I switched the game on with the idea that I didn't care about the code..
3 hours later..
It has been a long time since I've really enjoyed the game - and I loved playing it. Still was unable to obtain bonus multiplier and the Colossal bonus lamp only works in attract mode - but I had an absolute ball playing the machine. Makes me think that when the code is released, this game will be awesome.
I just hope Stern hurry up with the code update. ()
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Anyway..
Tonight I had the night off, so I thought I'd have a game or two on KISS. It has been long time since I've played the game, and I switched the game on with the idea that I didn't care about the code..
3 hours later..
It has been a long time since I've really enjoyed the game - and I loved playing it. Still was unable to obtain bonus multiplier and the Colossal bonus lamp only works in attract mode - but I had an absolute ball playing the machine. Makes me think that when the code is released, this game will be awesome.
I just hope Stern hurry up with the code update. ()
Glad you didn't re box it :) I'm the same I play it now and again and really enjoy it but that's not good enough hey we need new code lol, if what I've heard is true the codes going to be awesome a total rework from start to finish i hope we are blown away. My cheap as on special $59 USD shaker arrived from Pinball Life arrived on Friday so can't wait to fit that :) oh and Nino change some songs it makes a massive difference, just don't ask me how to do it lol I used another guys pro code :)
Peter.
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I chucked a pinball life shaker into KISS bargain at 59 usd :) all pins need shakers at that price I should have bought more :) took 5 mins the spike setup makes it so dam easy.
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Well done Pete.
Stern will get on top of these code fixes & then it will be the last thing that is really giving people some issues.
Then overall they will be at the very top of their game, no pun intended.
I will have to ask AMD which has sold in Australia more, Kiss or GOT or Walking Dead for interest.
I have heard from the USA that GOT has sold 3 to 1 over there of GOT than Kiss but Walking Dead has still be steadily selling and has sold more than both.
Apparently operators are going in big for Vault Edition Spider for sited and home users have snapped up a lot of Spidey and all production lines are running flat out and they have enough orders for three to four months easily with Ghost Busters also about to take over a line for four weeks just to start off the LE pre dealer orders and get basic numbers of Pro models ready.
Good to see a pinball factory thriving. It's great for the best hobby on the planet.
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Heard that at least one operator has removed KISS from site due to code issues. Clearly affecting sales. Would be interested to know which operators have ordered Spiderman, as the operators that I speak to regularly have not bought a Stern since the KISS Pro.
No need to ask AMD. KISS LE sold out in 48 hours. GoT LE is in abundance from AMD.
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SMVE will ship with complete code I would imagine and that is it's only saving grace at that pricetag.
%$%
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Heard that at least one operator has removed KISS from site due to code issues. Clearly affecting sales. Would be interested to know which operators have ordered Spiderman, as the operators that I speak to regularly have not bought a Stern since the KISS Pro.
No need to ask AMD. KISS LE sold out in 48 hours. GoT LE is in abundance from AMD.
Exactly. Operators are never going to get a return on these standard issue machines with price hike so why would they bother since punters don't play the artwork.
Playfield run was 410 for SMVE so it is a lower production run than SM Black.
Similar demand to ACDC Luci and ends up being the lower production run of all models primarily due to the price gouge.
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Heard that at least one operator has removed KISS from site due to code issues. Clearly affecting sales. Would be interested to know which operators have ordered Spiderman, as the operators that I speak to regularly have not bought a Stern since the KISS Pro.
No need to ask AMD. KISS LE sold out in 48 hours. GoT LE is in abundance from AMD.
"At least one operator" it isn't time to hit the panic button just yet lol
I'm thinking the average punter wouldn't give a shit about code and we all know that to be true :) sticks in his 2 bucks and bashes the ball around.
Stern pure genius: between running there new releases they run small quantities of 300-500 games of VE models-JJP announced Hobbit in November 2012 anyone got one???
By the time it's released it won't be relevant anymore, yesterday's news.
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KISS
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KISS
is still without a code update.
That's a fact.
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Cavey is the future of pinball and AP. His unequalled modesty and humility is a direct indicator of this truth.
He blesses us undeserving ones with his firsthand knowledge on pinball siting in corporate lunchrooms, aural hygiene and "narcacism".
Gorgar and I have both accepted this and a pox on anyone who does not recognise this fundamental ideology.
Oh Cavey the great suppository of all knowledge, when is your pilgrimage to the US scheduled to educate the great unwashed plebeians over there so that others may find salvation in your teachings?
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AP would like to apologize for this temporary loss in transmission and hope to back to talking pinball as soon as possible. Please stay tuned.
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AP would like to apologize for this temporary loss in transmission and hope to back to talking pinball as soon as possible. Please stay tuned.
Check your antenna alignment and make sure it is facing North. The picture will then gain clarity.
Still no KISS code update.
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While we are waiting two of my favourite songs :)
http://youtu.be/7_UAu5WbRp4
http://youtu.be/r7An4L9UNIo
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I think Kiss is a fantastic game , great art and sounds , and i'm sure after the long awaited code update it will be a whole lot better . with a bit more depth and lighs shows , Great fun playing game
although i still reckon the rules on the game are still quite deep atm , I'm yet to work out wtf is going on with the changing coloured bonus lights etc.
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I'm an in betweener. B/W only in the collection for reason I like the games and can confidently repair and stock parts. But am contemplating a New stern but can only get some reasonable feedback for and against until threads turn crap. If you like a society with one opinion go to f**king North Korea. If you like to take a firm stance that verges on radicalism move to f**king Baghdad. Otherwise listen to what I have to say and either agree or disagree but don't crack the shits. I'll listen to what you have to say and comment if I have something constructive to say or I shut the f**k up.
My apologies to the majority for the rant but I had to go through the cold war for too long listening to who's got the bigger dick, I don't need it here.
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I'm an in betweener. B/W only in the collection for reason I like the games and can confidently repair and stock parts. But am contemplating a New stern
Judging by what I read on Pinside, the new spike system is no better or worse than the old SAM system
QC will always be a wild card
playfields will dimple
Software will take time to mature
But most people seem to enjoy their new games
if your budget allows, and you like the theme, go for it
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I'm an in betweener. B/W only in the collection for reason I like the games and can confidently repair and stock parts. But am contemplating a New stern
Judging by what I read on Pinside, the new spike system is no better or worse than the old SAM system
QC will always be a wild card
playfields will dimple
Software will take time to mature
But most people seem to enjoy their new games
if your budget allows, and you like the theme, go for it
interesting, your comment about spike. I'm leaning towards games with Sam but am thinking maybe its better to go for the new Spike system. I'll have to investigate the two to be better educated in my preferences. I hear the sound quality of spike is superb and maybe the data cabling a big plus????
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Play a game first
the color changing LEDs take a little getting used to
I know neither are Spike, but Star trek and WoZ both have color changing LEDs, I dont think I like them
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Play a game first
the color changing LEDs take a little getting used to
I know neither are Spike, but Star trek and WoZ both have color changing LEDs, I dont think I like them
They are everywhere... the world is full of cheap dayglo colour changing rainbow pewkiness. Just like garish pink and green make up in the 80's... im hoping the fad passes.
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Nino just read on pinside that the code is out being tested by some people so hopefully not far off :)
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WOW!!
WTG Stern, this is the best looking release in years.
If it plays half as good as it looks I might just have to buy one.
^^^
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WOW!!
WTG Stern, this is the best looking release in years.
If it plays half as good as it looks I might just have to buy one.
^^^
Wrong thread methinks, Daz $.$
Nino just read on pinside that the code is out being tested by some people so hopefully not far off :)
Rumor is that it is not a standard update, but more of a complete new code from the ground up.
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When the KISS code is done, will it give the KISS games a new batch of customers for the title again.
Or has it been too long and people have lost interest or are on the fence.
Hope more sell and the title gets new blood involved.
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WOW!!
WTG Stern, this is the best looking release in years.
If it plays half as good as it looks I might just have to buy one.
^^^
Wrong thread methinks, Daz $.$
:)
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Thread cleaned up.
Keep it on topic.
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When the KISS code is done, will it give the KISS games a new batch of customers for the title again.
Nothing of any significance.
Most potential buyers of NIB Stern machines have already shifted their available finances onto acquiring GB with the pic release and Stern games just don't have the market impact and longevity that other brand games have (such as Bally Williams).
Primary sales of NIB Stern titles occur within the first few weeks leading up to prerelease and the first few days of post release when the hype train is at its crescendo and before the objective gameplay reviews start appearing online (see the life cycle of a Stern machine thread).
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When the KISS code is done, will it give the KISS games a new batch of customers for the title again.
Or has it been too long and people have lost interest or are on the fence.
Hope more sell and the title gets new blood involved.
It'll most likely sell well again after the code update :) happened with TWD & Met :) and there still making TWD & Metallica. Great theme great artwork with great code it's a winner.
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Joe from KJWHF Amusements in WA (The Stern distributor), sent me a new SD memory card, with a fresh install of 1.05. The music and sound issue has disappeared and my game plays perfectly.
Someone else mentioned they had similar issues ? PM me and I'll forward on a second card Joe kindly sent me.
It IS a known issue with the SD cards, and in some cases, may be undetected for a while and become intermittent. Mine did it all the time.
^^^ for Joe at KJWHF - who's after sales service is second to none.
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Where's the code? #@#
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Gene demanding kiss code lol(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160317/5ff6e9a506e61bdfd05d0bfaaa868a8e.jpg)
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Or the next royalty payment. :lol
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Nice pic thanks Peter
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Where's the code? :tumble:
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Where's the code? :tumble:
Ghostbusters code should get a update soon.
^^^
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Where's the code? :tumble:
Ghostbusters code should get a update soon.
^^^
GB code already up to 1.58 and its not even in production. *.* shouldn't joke. If its a big seller we may have ver 0.9 for a year or two
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Where's the code? :tumble:
Ghostbusters code should get a update soon.
^^^
GB code already up to 1.58 and its not even in production. *.* shouldn't joke. If its a big seller we may have ver 0.9 for a year or two
Who said I was joking?
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Just posted on Sterns FB page :) code soon?
New songs? Heavens on fire gee I hope so.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/260ff64c48ac231e5b569b36ef6b1b91.jpg)
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Just posted on Sterns FB page :) code soon?
New songs? Heavens on fire gee I hope so.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/260ff64c48ac231e5b569b36ef6b1b91.jpg)
I interpret as being "another day begins and still no KISS code.."
There are however a few LE's on fleabay at the moment.
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They'll think about it tomorrow....after all tomorrow is another day.
Updated KISS code is gone with the wind.
(http://vivandlarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/gwtw2.jpg)
I'm sure someone said here back in mid Feb it was coming soon. :lol
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Where is the Kiss code?
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Just posted hopefully tomorrow?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/ce7f0bc79fa130484f15c213505d9bf2.jpg)
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Just posted hopefully tomorrow?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/ce7f0bc79fa130484f15c213505d9bf2.jpg)
Another day passes at Stern with no code update. The explosion near the center of the photo is a Stern KISS fan's head exploding as the new armor for Ghostbusters was released instead. <.>
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
Funny I thought this a while back when they ran the comp / facebook thing for Metallica and the new tracks.
As Metallica is a keeper and I like most of their music, I'd happy pay to have a custom code from the factory with the songs I want and perhaps some other cool little easter eggs. One thing for certain would be my initials on all the factory high scores.
How much for this ? I'd pay a $100 without too much thought for it.
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
it would have to start to affect the sales, but bet that Jody guy has already considered it.
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
I wouldn't like it one bit, we are already paying too much for these toys.
**&
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Just posted hopefully tomorrow?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/ce7f0bc79fa130484f15c213505d9bf2.jpg)
Another day passes at Stern with no code update. The explosion near the center of the photo is a Stern KISS fan's head exploding as the new armor for Ghostbusters was released instead. <.>
its starting to sound like those guys who used to knock on my door on weekends and tell me the world was going to end so join up to religion. Hey both stern and these will be right one day !@#
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
I would have no problem with that at all.
So in my case, I pay 50% for my KISS LE and then I pay 10% each time they take steps to complete the code. Over time, Stern finishes my game, and I don't get angry waiting for the game to be completed. It also encourages Stern to work on the current games instead of adding code for toppers and other crap. If they don't finish the game, they don't maximize their return.
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Just posted hopefully tomorrow?
I would have no problem with that at all.
So in my case, I pay 50% for my KISS LE and then I pay 10% each time they take steps to complete the code. Over time, Stern finishes my game, and I don't get angry waiting for the game to be completed. It also encourages Stern to work on the current games instead of adding code for toppers and other crap. If they don't finish the game, they don't maximize their return.
It's the only area in which they are essentially not only not making any money, but are losing money due to having to pay coders to make and distribute what is essentially free updates. Not surprised they drag their feet when they have a much more lucrative alternative to sell $400 novelty toppers. %$%
Ultimately though, the market ends up suffering for it in the long run.
I really wouldn't be surprised if in the future they borrow a page from the billion dollar console market playbook and start charging customers to access updated code on a regular basis so that they have the "privilege" of playing the original intended game. With this pricing/distribution model, the consumer ends up paying over and above and well into the future for something that should have been essentially complete on release.
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
I would have no problem with that at all.
So in my case, I pay 50% for my KISS LE and then I pay 10% each time they take steps to complete the code. Over time, Stern finishes my game, and I don't get angry waiting for the game to be completed. It also encourages Stern to work on the current games instead of adding code for toppers and other crap. If they don't finish the game, they don't maximize their return.
OK - going back 8 pages I made this post:
Anyway... new Sterns are now some $12K... that's an awful lot of moolah. Sterns marketing ploy is that IF you want to own a title you have to buy incomplete to secure it ( its a pretty shithouse situation). So we end up with people like Nino who have to buy in order to own whether they like it or not. LE's are just that.. well, meant to be limited edition. In all fairness, these games should come fully coded... but they don't.
So a 12K machine is sold for $10K and if you want code updates then you buy them from Stern.. complete code is $2K. Or you can keep your $10K version as it is.
No hang on a minute.. that wont work as it still means Stern have to have completed code as an added extra and completing code is Sterns achilles heel.
Ok - plan B.
You all pay a deposit to secure a game..LE..Pro whatever but don't pay the full amount till code is finished and then you get your game... now this is fair to both parties because at the moment Stern are taking your money for something they don't have.
Oh.. forgot, its pinball and this is accepted practice.
Ok everyone, move along, nothing to see here
And if you want to read anything into the sunset picture Stern posted, my interpretation is that its on the horizon and seeing as the sun is 97 million miles away.. your code is a bloody long way off!!!
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
I would have no problem with that at all.
So in my case, I pay 50% for my KISS LE and then I pay 10% each time they take steps to complete the code. Over time, Stern finishes my game, and I don't get angry waiting for the game to be completed. It also encourages Stern to work on the current games instead of adding code for toppers and other crap. If they don't finish the game, they don't maximize their return.
Good in theory but I think a hacker would make short work of this system. Black market code updates.
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It is a shame we get an incomplete code, but, at least we can upload via USB when available and not have to re flash chips.
Also joe public can have input/ feedback and make it a better experience a bit later down the track after release.
Don't worry, I am still waiting on the FINAL code for WNBJM, me thinks I will be waiting quite a while as it is a limited release.
Believe me WNBJM has A LOT more work to be done than KISS.
I would however like to be able to make my own rules/call outs etc. Not that clever though
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There all the same Hobbit announced 2012 game nearly shipping code no where near finished WTF and reliability issues already.
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Just posted on Sterns FB page:
Over the next few days and over the weekend we will be play testing the newest KISS pinball code to hopefully be released next week. Cross your fingers it all tests well. It's coming! #kisspinball #newcode
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It may not happen overnight , but it will happen
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Just posted on Sterns FB page:
Over the next few days and over the weekend we will be play testing the newest KISS pinball code to hopefully be released next week. Cross your fingers it all tests well. It's coming! #kisspinball #newcode
You'll have Strangeways on the edge of his seat now!
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Unboxing is so 'last year', now the new special event for stern owners will be 'code updating'. That's gotta be a bigger rush, in particular, for kiss owners, GOT guys get these weekly &&
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Unboxing is so 'last year', now the new special event for stern owners will be 'code updating'. That's gotta be a bigger rush, in particular, for kiss owners, GOT guys get these weekly &&
:lol
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Code updating events has been around for years :(
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Code updating events has been around for years :(
I bet, Peter %$%
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What would the general consensus be if Stern started charging customers for code updates?
I would have no problem with that at all.
So in my case, I pay 50% for my KISS LE and then I pay 10% each time they take steps to complete the code. Over time, Stern finishes my game, and I don't get angry waiting for the game to be completed. It also encourages Stern to work on the current games instead of adding code for toppers and other crap. If they don't finish the game, they don't maximize their return.
Good in theory but I think a hacker would make short work of this system. Black market code updates.
Any system can be hacked by good hackers, but no one is going to waste their time hacking a pinball to save themselves $. The rumors I'm hearing is that there is almost a complete recode and KISS will be the first game to be able to compete "online" with internet connectivity - this opens up a whole new ball game (no pun intended). Online competitions over the net is just one new feature. As soon as your game is registered on the net, you have updates sent to you via the web after you pay your subscription. There's a lot of possibilities.
There all the same Hobbit announced 2012 game nearly shipping code no where near finished WTF and reliability issues already.
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Good point. Wasn't the Hobbit due at the release of the first movie ? The trilogy has been done and dusted already !
Unboxing is so 'last year', now the new special event for stern owners will be 'code updating'. That's gotta be a bigger rush, in particular, for kiss owners, GOT guys get these weekly &&
Try daily !
I'd much rather be waiting for beta code to be tested and uploaded when everything is complete rather than GOT buyers being used as beta testers !
Having said that, Stern have really dropped the ball. This code update was due "before Christmas"..
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Six teasers updates later = no code update.
Stern have really dropped the ball. Maybe their initial update should have been "Code Update due before Christmas.. .. .. .. .. .. .. 2018"
I've never experienced anything as bad as this. If they were in the corporate word, their entire Marketing dept would be fired.
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Six teasers updates later = no code update.
Stern have really dropped the ball. Maybe their initial update should have been "Code Update due before Christmas.. .. .. .. .. .. .. 2018"
I've never experienced anything as bad as this. If they were in the corporate word, their entire Marketing dept would be fired.
I'd disagree
Seems to be standard operating procedure for the pinball industry
'While the suckers keep paying, no reason to improve'
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Six teasers updates later = no code update.
Stern have really dropped the ball. Maybe their initial update should have been "Code Update due before Christmas.. .. .. .. .. .. .. 2018"
I've never experienced anything as bad as this. If they were in the corporate word, their entire Marketing dept would be fired.
I'd disagree
Seems to be standard operating procedure for the pinball industry
'While the suckers keep paying, no reason to improve'
It is also becoming standard procedure for LE buyers to move on their games due to these practices. Four KISS LE's are effectively on the market for this reason, and also at a profit to those sellers. Also, it will be the last LE purchased for at least two of these collectors.
I seriously considered a GB Premium. But after waiting 6 months and the only update for my KISS LE is for a redundant Topper, I'm directing funds elsewhere.
I know the code will be good for KISS, but the wait to enjoy the game is a poor reflection on the manufacturer.
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I agree
With the high price of NIB games, and the question over software upgrades, I doubt Iwould ever buy a new Stern again
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Pinside rumor lol :
Lonnies code was tested and full of bugs!
Lyman has been working on it for two weeks :)
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Pinside rumor lol :
Lonnies code was tested and full of bugs!
Lyman has been working on it for two weeks :)
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I guess there are a lot of rumors. That's all they really are. But I would not be surprised. It has to be a large update as there are a lot of issues and modes missing etc etc..
I base my discontent on the fact that Stern FB has daily ramblings of code updates with photos of album covers etc etc. I find that really annoying and arrogant. Their marketing is piss poor in my book.
As a recent convert to Stern, and enjoying some awesome machines like Tron and CSI in particular, I don't understand how people can fork out huge amounts of $ on games that are not completed. Not just tweaking code, but massive updates on games that are not even close to completely functional. I guess that if KISS was never released, I would not care as much. But for people converting across to Stern games (like I have), it has been a learning curve. Accepting incomplete games should not be part of the buying experience. No other product I've ever heard of has this problem.
I'm looking for a the "beating the dead horse" emoticon, but the ONLY way this will change is with our wallets.
Trudeau is my favorite designer, and Ghostbusters is one of my favorite movies. I was going to order a Premium. Now I'm not. When Iron Maiden is released, I won't buy an LE. I will wait 12 months to see if Stern complete the game.
The new saying is "only in pinball". Rings true at the moment.
Would be great if the code came out tomorrow. The good thing for Stern is that there are 30 + albums their genius marketing people can use to further frustrate KISS fans with non existent updates !*!
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Agree Nino! KISS is my last NIB straight after release:) I also like GB but I'll wait 12 months for complete code :) I should have learnt my lesson after MET & TWD but being a kiss fan I just got excited lol. But with all the teasers let's hope it's here this week.
PS: code issues aren't just an issue at Stern.
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Well the posts that out asking what the next stern relese will be will now change to "who is coding the next release "
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Pinside rumor lol :
Lonnies code was tested and full of bugs!
Lyman has been working on it for two weeks :)
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And from the multi platinum Rumours album:
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&^&
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Just posted on Sterns Facebook
New software full of bugs
Sorry, but you will have to wait longer
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Ouch!
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Just posted on Sterns Facebook
New software full of bugs
Sorry, but you will have to wait longer
Oh dear.. the well oiled machine needs new oil
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Really disappointing. Strange how we keep hearing they cannot keep up with demand for new games, yet they fumbling on finishing code.
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FBook Stern said "a few bugs".
Not full of bugs, just a few bugs.
At least they are honest if not late about the code.
Hopefully within the week it will be done ?
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At least they are honest if not late about the code.
Hopefully within the year it will be done ?
a more realistic time frame fix
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Yet another public fail from the marketing "department".
Maybe they could throw a manchild style online temper tantrum after being called out on their bullshit in the hope that everyone forgets the retarded claims that were made and what dickheads they looked like at the time?
So much gold in order to "keep up appearances". %$%
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My post definitely didn't say done within the year.
Someone changed it from week to year when copying it.
I hope they do have it within the next week or so.
I am not sure why some people are describing this code release with so many emotional adjectives etc, it's only a simple code release. It's not a matter of life or death.
Let's hope it is released within the fortnight so everyone can finally get what they need.
I think it's a good idea Stern is keeping people informed every few days via social media.
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Code update released. Readme file as below-
V1.06 (Final) - April. 1, 2016
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- Added lighting effects for the KISS topper.
End.
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Code update released. Readme file as below-
V1.06 (Final) - April. 1, 2016
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- Added lighting effects for the KISS topper.
End.
Funny how they QUICKLY found a coder to add the redundant topper, yet 6 months later and nothing else !*!
Damage control on their FB page - removing the -ve comments.
I gave Stern a chance and paid a lot of money for a game I thought would be awesome. For a short period of time, I was sucked it to the hype. Never again. When Iron Maiden is released, I'll wait at least a year before I even think about it.
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Yes, but like has been discussed earlier there is "upsell" money to be made via topper code since it convinces buyers to part with more money on a now "must have" add on item.
Stern should just start charging for code updates and be done with it. That way they will at least be financially motivated to redirect dedicated internal resources to finishing the code in a timely manner (instead of this piecemeal reactionary approach typically when forum rumblings get too loud).
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It is bad enough that the code for games takes two years to complete
Nobody should have to pay for updates
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I gave Stern a chance and paid a lot of money for a game I thought would be awesome. For a short period of time, I was sucked it to the hype. Never again.
I think a valuable lesson is to regard Stern marketing the same way a typical banana republican should be classified.
They both make a neverending cavalcade of self serving statements to draw attention to themselves in the short term.
Those statements either never materialise as promised into anything tangible or don't match the original statement.
When called out on that fact they both engage in defensive projectional blame shifting behaviour.
They both surround themselves with arselicking sycophants to validate and reinforce their behaviour.
It is bad enough that the code for games takes two years to complete
Nobody should have to pay for updates
The multi billion dollar console market makes a packet out of releasing 75% complete games from what they were intended and then charging customers the "option" of buying additional gameplay to enhance their experience. Since Stern has an entrenched reputation as a follower, rather than an innovator I would be surprised if it hasn't been considered.
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Disappointing the code didn't drop but better to find bugs and sort them before it gets out to customers I suppose :) far to long between kiss updates for kiss owners though :(
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The code has dropped...
V1.28 - Apr. 20, 2016
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- Added sounds for KISS hurry-up and ARMY hurry-up awards.
- Added a ball lock rule during Demon Multiball:
- Shooting both lock targets lights the Demon lock.
- Shooting the Demon when lock is lit (first time) starts 2X playfield
scoring (adjustable, default=20 seconds).
- Lighting the lock again and locking a second ball (before the timer
expires) starts 3X playfield scoring (adjustable, default=20 seconds).
- Added sounds for:
- Slingshots
- Return lanes (lit and not lit)
- Outlanes (lit and not lit)
- Added a wizard mode for completing the GRID (Heaven's On Fire):
- Qualify by completing the GRID a number of times; currently 2
(adjustable).
- Shoot the scoop eject (BACKSTAGE PASS) to start.
- 4 ball multiball.
- Complete the GRID to light SUPER JACKPOT at the Scoop Eject:
- ROW #1 (KISS) - shoot all KISS targets
- ROW #2 (ARMY) - shoot all ARMY targets
- ROW #3 (POPS) - shoot right orbit to light the pops; hit each pop at
least once
- ROW #4 (INSTRUMENTS) - shoot instruments. The right ramp (if lit)
will spot one of the instruments.
- The STAR targets may be completed for add-a-ball, once per super
jackpot.
- Music that was playing prior to starting Grid Multiball is restarted at
the beginning instead of picking up where it left off upon exiting Grid Multiball.
- Fixed a problem where mode select music was starting too early.
- Fixed a mystery award presentation order problem when awarding
extra ball lit or special lit.
- Changed the criteria for mode start. Modes are allowed to start when
Grid, Kiss Army or Rock City Multiball are ready to start.
- If balls were locked in the Demon and the game was turned off, the Demon
ball save would be activated during game-over (with a display effect) when
the balls were kicked out of the Demon lockup after the game was turned
on again. This has been corrected.
- Finishing a song (adjustable) lights all shots for one of them to be
collected for 2X scoring on that shot for the rest of the ball. These
are multiplied with the combo multipliers.
- Added an adjustment to enable/disable the multiplier shot arrow lamps.
- Finishing a song (adjustable) lights 2X, 3X, 5X (2X+3X), Colossal (10X)
playfield multiplier for the rest of the ball.
- Max playfield multipler is set at 15X.
- Playfield multiplers can be combined and are advanced via:
- double scoring (2X)
- demon multiball lock timer (2X, 3X)
- completing song(s) (2X, 3X, 5X, 10X)
- 2X, 3X, Colossal inserts are now used as playfield multipliers instead
of Bonus X multipliers.
- KISS hurry-up award and ARMY hurry-up award display their multiplied scored.
- The ticket notch switch was specifying the wrong attributes such that the
switch would eventually be marked bad in the TECH. ALERT. This has been
corrected.
- Added a setting that allows the grid to keep its state from ball to ball
(thereby making it easier to complete the grid).
- Added an adjustment that allows song select with and without the
multipliers lit (default is YES).
- Added lamp effects for disabled return lanes and outlanes.
- Fixed a problem where the last player in a 4 person game could not select
a city.
- Fixed a bug in demon multiball. If at least one jackpot shot was collected
and the multiball was resurrected by collecting the add-a-ball award via
backstage pass when the multiball was in the grace period, then eventually
there would not be any shots left to shoot during the multiball (they would
eventually be depleted). This has been corrected.
- Reworked the instrument award display effect so it looks better when extra
ball is lit.
- Fixed the instrument power-on display effect so it can deal with lighting
multiple instruments at once.
- Added an adjustment to not reset the lit instruments at the beginning of
each ball.
- Changed the adjustment for the instrument rule difficulty. The three
settings (for shooting the POWER-ON ramp shot) are:
1) LIGHT ALL INSTRUMENTS
2) LIGHT ONE INSTRUMENT, BUT LEAVE THE POWER-ON LIT TO LIGHT MORE
INSTRUMENTS
3) LIGHT ONE INSTRUMENT, AND TURN OFF THE POWER-ON UNTIL THE INSTRUMENT
IS COLLECTED.
The previous behavior was 3). The new behavior is 2).
- Reordered some calls so mystery is given out before the multiballs are
started.
- Fixed the settings for the instrument rule extra ball. The way the settings
were being specified, it was not possible for the first extra ball to ever
be set to AUTO.
- Fixed pop bumpers not scoring during multiball.
- Added attract mode flipper button sounds.
- Knocker sound/coil for REPLAY and SPECIAL now synced with the display
effect.
- Fixed bugs in the modes that was causing the work of all players to affect
the scoring for all other players.
- Improved sound processing to minimize audio glitches.
- Fixed a bug in the wizard mode that would occasionally cause some game
data to occasionally become corrupt.
- Improved Auto Replay Thresholds.
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Another update coming in the future which will include the cities :)
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Awesome. Just in time for the long weekend. At least it is SOMETHING @@*
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Awesome. Just in time for the long weekend. At least it is SOMETHING @@*
Thoughts Nino? You must have played a few games by now :)
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Awesome. Just in time for the long weekend. At least it is SOMETHING @@*
Thoughts Nino? You must have played a few games by now :)
No time to do the update as yet. Should get to it over the weekend.
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New code out with multipliers including colossal 10x. Looks really cool, I finally want one!
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New SD card on its way :)
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Nino how you liking new code? Long way to go but so far so good :)
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Nino how you liking new code? Long way to go but so far so good :)
Still have not done the update. I've had zero time to play pinball - but I will report back as soon as I've done it.
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have not heard anything about the update. did it do the job? I usually would have expected some kind of comments good or bad, but nothing. Is there another thread I've missed?
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Yeh..... like a bottle of flat lemonade, the POP went out of the poptastic KISS pinball machine. Even ardent KISS fans are secretly selling these... fizzle...fizzle..fizz..fi..f......
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Finally I had time to update KISS LE to update 1.28. The cover came off the game for the first time in a LONG TIME - but I played a few games before the update, just to familiarize myself with the numerous missing features from the game that I was expecting to be updated. A quick clean of the playfield glass and an hour of play. I must say, the artwork is absolutely amazing on this game.
Update was VERY simple. I printed out the changes and studied them while the update completed (25 minutes). I was particularly interested in the bonus multiplier and COLOSSAL Bonus. As well documented, the Cities have not been programmed into the game, so I was not too concerned about it not working as yet.
After the update, I reverted back to the settings I had prior to the update - Free play etc etc.. 5 Minutes @@*
I started a 4 player game and kept an eye out for the code changes. Inlanes now have sound. Flashers on the slings now work well with the game. Cool. Seems a little harder, but still no bonus multiplier. Play another 4 player game and score 35 Million on one ball. Still cannot see any differences. Half an hour play, and I stop before the next 4 player game and re read the changes. Start another 4 player game and notice the demon lock not registering as it used to. This became VERY annoying - so I concentrated on this new issue. Finally, Demon Lock registered (after 15 attempts).. Now the Demon multiball spits ALL 3 balls SDTM... Strange - this NEVER happened before ! How code can affect this is beyond me.. The auto plunger coil must be red hot by now..
After an hour of play, I turned the game off. In fact, I turned the game off in the middle of a game. The last time I did that was 10 years ago.
I can't review the "update" as there's nothing to review. The so called "changes" = Bullshit. The only "changes" that work are the sling flashers now function, and the inlanes now make a sound. Bonus multiplier STILL does not work. Colossal bonus is simply an LED that you can take out of the game and use it somewhere else - it simply does not work. I was not stupid enough to buy a topper, but I'm sure there are a LOT of new features for it..
Verdict
The cover is now back on the game. I'm now googling to upgrade it back to the shipping code.
If this game is not finished within 6 months, it will be moved on.
!*! !*! !*! !*! !*! !*!
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
Funny you mention "Heaven's On Fire" mode. The luminaries at Stern selected a song that was released in 1984. Yet the game features artwork circa 1978. Of course, Stern didn't do their homework on the BG artwork, as Gene didn't develop the "axe" bass until 1984, yet the artwork is from the Love Gun / Alive II period of 1978. I can live with that - but it does demonstrate how thick Stern are..
Code has ruined the game and it is the sole reason I didn't commit to Ghostbusters.
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Disapointing
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
Funny you mention "Heaven's On Fire" mode. The luminaries at Stern selected a song that was released in 1984. Yet the game features artwork circa 1978. Of course, Stern didn't do their homework on the BG artwork, as Gene didn't develop the "axe" bass until 1984, yet the artwork is from the Love Gun / Alive II period of 1978. I can live with that - but it does demonstrate how thick Stern are..
Code has ruined the game and it is the sole reason I didn't commit to Ghostbusters.
I don't mind the coding on gb. Hope there are further releases though.
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
Funny you mention "Heaven's On Fire" mode. The luminaries at Stern selected a song that was released in 1984. Yet the game features artwork circa 1978. Of course, Stern didn't do their homework on the BG artwork, as Gene didn't develop the "axe" bass until 1984, yet the artwork is from the Love Gun / Alive II period of 1978. I can live with that - but it does demonstrate how thick Stern are..
Code has ruined the game and it is the sole reason I didn't commit to Ghostbusters.
I don't mind the coding on gb. Hope there are further releases though.
GB shipping code was already ahead of KISS and TWD at release. TWD had a couple of updates that made it an excellent game (compared to shipping code). But this was done within 3 months. We are 11 months since KISS was released and we have code changes for the topper, Bill dispenser and the inlanes. Still has major flaws and missing key aspects (Cities etc). Not good enough.
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
Funny you mention "Heaven's On Fire" mode. The luminaries at Stern selected a song that was released in 1984. Yet the game features artwork circa 1978. Of course, Stern didn't do their homework on the BG artwork, as Gene didn't develop the "axe" bass until 1984, yet the artwork is from the Love Gun / Alive II period of 1978. I can live with that - but it does demonstrate how thick Stern are..
Code has ruined the game and it is the sole reason I didn't commit to Ghostbusters.
I don't mind the coding on gb. Hope there are further releases though.
GB shipping code was already ahead of KISS and TWD at release. TWD had a couple of updates that made it an excellent game (compared to shipping code). But this was done within 3 months. We are 11 months since KISS was released and we have code changes for the topper, Bill dispenser and the inlanes. Still has major flaws and missing key aspects (Cities etc). Not good enough.
I really can't believe the state of the KISS code (especially the cities doing nothing even on the latest update). Not sure if they don't care about it because they know it will sell well regardless, or there were other internal issues within the company or just the programmers spread too thin. I REALLY want a KISS pinball machine in my music line-up, but playing the game in its current state doesn't make me want to get one at all costs....The Walking Dead however, awesome game and the same can be said about Ghostbusters. Loving it.
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Nino I agree the latest update is poor but you will have the heavens on fire wizard mode now which you activate by lighting the grid twice! Can't remember other features as I've moved mine on and the buyer has also moved it on lol. Huge title great theme great art poor code has ruined it for me.
Funny you mention "Heaven's On Fire" mode. The luminaries at Stern selected a song that was released in 1984. Yet the game features artwork circa 1978. Of course, Stern didn't do their homework on the BG artwork, as Gene didn't develop the "axe" bass until 1984, yet the artwork is from the Love Gun / Alive II period of 1978. I can live with that - but it does demonstrate how thick Stern are..
Code has ruined the game and it is the sole reason I didn't commit to Ghostbusters.
I don't mind the coding on gb. Hope there are further releases though.
GB shipping code was already ahead of KISS and TWD at release. TWD had a couple of updates that made it an excellent game (compared to shipping code). But this was done within 3 months. We are 11 months since KISS was released and we have code changes for the topper, Bill dispenser and the inlanes. Still has major flaws and missing key aspects (Cities etc). Not good enough.
I really can't believe the state of the KISS code (especially the cities doing nothing even on the latest update). Not sure if they don't care about it because they know it will sell well regardless, or there were other internal issues within the company or just the programmers spread too thin. I REALLY want a KISS pinball machine in my music line-up, but playing the game in its current state doesn't make me want to get one at all costs....The Walking Dead however, awesome game and the same can be said about Ghostbusters. Loving it.
That's why I'm hanging on to my KISS LE for now. TWD LE has had 2-3 really good updates and from all reports, is a killer game right now. Can't see why KISS cannot be as good. I like the art and the table, so they just need to finish off the code and I'm a happy camper.
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I decided to spent more time on the updated code and the more I follow the "read.me" for the update, the more I feel NOTHING substantial had been done.
New Code features in RED
- Finishing a song (adjustable) lights all shots for one of them to be
collected for 2X scoring on that shot for the rest of the ball. These
are multiplied with the combo multipliers.
Nope. Tried this for three songs - "Hotter than Hell" (easy to complete - 4 Drop Targets). "collect" gives you the bonus, but it starts the song AGAIN, and you cannot choose a new song. Not even the "New Track" is lit AFTER you collect the song ! LOSE the ball and you have to start the song again.
- Finishing a song (adjustable) lights 2X, 3X, 5X (2X+3X), Colossal (10X)
playfield multiplier for the rest of the ball.
Um no. Even after the display tells you you have completed the song and collected the song (rewarding the bonus) you definitely do not receive any X Bonus. you can't advance to the next song (read above).
- Max playfield multipler is set at 15X.
Can't even light "2X", so I can't follow this at all.
- Playfield multiplers can be combined and are advanced via:
- double scoring (2X)
- demon multiball lock timer (2X, 3X)
- completing song(s) (2X, 3X, 5X, 10X)
No they cannot ! Can't even advance to "2X".. &^&
- 2X, 3X, Colossal inserts are now used as playfield multipliers instead
of Bonus X multipliers.
How many times do these morons refer to the bonus multiplier - It does NOT work FULL STOP !
- Fixed a problem where the last player in a 4 person game could not select
a city.
Um. No. WHY would ANYONE select a city, when the CITIES DO NOTHING !!@
I LOVE the artwork and the flow is AWESOME, but Stern have done SFA to update anything significant on the code. I've put in 2 hours on the new code and it is NOT a update. It is done to placate owners. The are no objectives, the GRID does SFA and the only aspects of the game that work is the awesome multiball features.
The code is so SHITHOUSE, that Stern are hoping KISS fans don't worry about "updates" as they just bought the game because they are KISS fans and NOT pinball fans.
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Good watching Bowen play KISS
https://youtu.be/W-VZAdtlo80
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Good watching Bowen play KISS
https://youtu.be/W-VZAdtlo80
He makes it look easy. Very good player and easy to learn to play from his videos. Still demonstrates how shallow the code is. One thing I learnt was that the 2X and 3X are not really bonus multipliers earned in the game as the original KISS. You have to finish two songs for 2X and four songs for 4X etc etc.. Has inspired me to fire up my LE this evening ^^^
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Good watching Bowen play KISS
https://youtu.be/W-VZAdtlo80
He makes it look easy. Very good player and easy to learn to play from his videos. Still demonstrates how shallow the code is. One thing I learnt was that the 2X and 3X are not really bonus multipliers earned in the game as the original KISS. You have to finish two songs for 2X and four songs for 4X etc etc.. Has inspired me to fire up my LE this evening ^^^
Yeah it is inspiring hey
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Good watching Bowen play KISS
https://youtu.be/W-VZAdtlo80
He makes it look easy. Very good player and easy to learn to play from his videos. Still demonstrates how shallow the code is. One thing I learnt was that the 2X and 3X are not really bonus multipliers earned in the game as the original KISS. You have to finish two songs for 2X and four songs for 4X etc etc.. Has inspired me to fire up my LE this evening ^^^
Yeah it is inspiring hey
Played the game for an hour with the kids tonight. Great to see the kids fight over who should be "Player 1".. @@^
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Long time no hear about this title. Has there been any word of a software update? Or is the coding enough there to make this game enjoyable and have that 'one more game' appeal
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Long time no hear about this title. Has there been any word of a software update? Or is the coding enough there to make this game enjoyable and have that 'one more game' appeal
The usual Stern rumors "it's coming".. (((
After watching some youtube videos, I started getting back into the game, but it is still a very raw game that needs a lot more work with the code. The shots and flow are awesome, but the rules and callouts are still not good enough to draw me back for "just one more game". I'm sure it will get there soon.
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Hope it does. I seriously considered getting one but code complaints stopped me and seeing guys I knew and love kiss move it on said a lot too.
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Mainly bug fixes
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V1.30.0 - Aug. 2, 2017
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- Fixed debounce times for the Dollar Bill Validator.
- Added "save progress" adjustments for DEMON MULTIBALL and LOVE GUN
MULTIBALL (Default: NO).
- TRACKS (SONGS/MODES) now reset once all TRACKS have been completed.
(It was previously not possible to play any of the TRACKS again after
the last TRACK was completed.)
- LOVE GUN MULTIBALL is now allowed to start when KISS/ARMY is lit.
- Increased HEAVEN'S ON FIRE multiball scores. Removed scoring caps.
- Fixed a bug in the auto-percentaged EXTRA BALL module that would
sometimes set the number of INSTRUMENTS to light EXTRA BALL to a very
high value.
- Fixed a bug where the STARCHILD INSTRUMENT for HEAVEN'S ON FIRE was
staying lit even when the item in the grid had been awarded.
- Lit INSTRUMENTS now carry over ball-to-ball.
- SHOUT IT OUT LOUD TRACK (SONG/MODE) was not keeping all of its data
in player state. If two people played the TRACK, it was possible for
one player to complete a set of shots and then the other player would
not have any shots lit, and be stuck playing SHOUT IT OUT LOUD for
the rest of the game. This has been corrected.
- The back panel switch on the Premium/LE was not giving out all of the
awards the right ramp was giving. This has been corrected.
- Moved the call to start LOVE GUN MULTIBALL to the end of the right ramp
award sequence, so the INSTRUMENT(S) can be lit. When the INSTRUMENT
light and the START LOVE GUN MULTIBALL light on the right ramp are lit
at the same time, the player expects the INSTRUMENT to be lit. This
has been corrected.
- Fixed a bug where the incorrect multiplier value was being displayed
during DEMON MULTIBALL.
- Fixed a bug where the ball save from the DEMON LOCK was not working
correctly during multiball. This required adding a separate adjustment
for DEMON MULTIBALL BALL SAVE (Default: OFF). The times are different
than the existing DEMON BALL SAVE, along with the behavior.
- Lowered the number of grid completions to light HEAVEN'S ON FIRE from
2 to 1.
- Increased the HEAVEN'S ON FIRE ball save time by five seconds.
- Raised the priority of the TRACK SELECT lamp effect so it is higher
than everything else. This allows the player to see which shot arrows
are associated with each TRACK during the selection process.
- BACKSTAGE PASS add-a-ball was not restarting HEAVEN'S ON FIRE. This
has been corrected.
- HEAVEN'S ON FIRE was not restarting if add-a-ball was awarded via the
STAR targets during the grace period. This has been corrected.
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Hopefully Nino will be happy!
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Excerpt from the thread
I was at Stern in May 2016 and October 2016. One of the programmers of Kiss told me an update for Kiss was in the works and it took until now to be released so it was low priority. He also told me cities never intended to do anything more than call outs. I'd rather not say who but suffice it to say the one who was coding the game :0
I'd be pretty confident this is the last update, so at least most of the bugs were fixed and the game is solid. Enjoy your game, it's fun!"
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-kiss-code-130/page/2#post-3907939 (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-kiss-code-130/page/2#post-3907939)
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Looking forward to installing the update. Seems to be only bug fixes, but it is a step in the right direction. Metallica took 3 years for full code development, so I would hope that the cities are programmed into the game. Happy that something has been released !
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After 3 Years of patience and loyalty ;
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Merry KISSMAS !!
Can't wait to get home and load it up.
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That's more like a total revamp than a code update. #*#
V1.40.0 - November 29, 2018
==================================== - City Combos now contribute to the end of ball Bonus.
- Changed the criteria for when "2,000,000 + Backstage Pass Lit" is
available as a Backstage Pass award.
- Fixed a bug in Love Gun Multiball where the Starchild Motor returned back
to the home position while carrying a ball. This occurred upon collecting a
Triple Jackpot (which collects the ball and starts carrying it over to the
Starchild area) and simultaneously draining the remaining balls. Now the
Starchild Motor will continue traveling all the way to the Starchild area
before returning back to the home position.
- Fixed a bug in Heaven's on Fire where the STAR target progress was
reset upon lighting/collecting a Super Jackpot. Now the STAR target
progress is saved upon lighting/collecting a Super Jackpot making it
easier to complete the targets for an add-a-ball award.
- Reorganized some of the default High Score Champion initials.
- Bonus X is now displayed in the instant info page (when applicable).
- Added a Heaven's on Fire Wizard Mode High Score Champion.
- Added adjustments to support Heaven's on Fire Wizard Mode High Score
Champion (default score threshold, type of award to give, # of awards to give).
- Added Heaven's on Fire Wizard Mode Champion to the attract mode.
- Added Heaven's on Fire Wizard Mode Champion to instant info.
- Added a Kiss Army Wizard Mode High Score Champion.
- Added adjustments to support Kiss Army Wizard Mode High Score Champion
(default score threshold, type of award to give, # of awards to give).
- Added Kiss Army Wizard Mode Champion to the attract mode.
- Added Kiss Army Wizard Mode Champion to instant info.
- Added a Rock City Wizard Mode High Score Champion.
- Added adjustments to support Rock City Wizard Mode High Score Champion
(default score threshold, type of award to give, # of awards to give).
- Added Rock City Wizard Mode Champion to the attract mode.
- Added Rock City Wizard Mode Champion to instant info.
- Added/Changed the award for starting KISS/ARMY combos via a
return lane -> target shot . Now, in addition to starting a KISS/ARMY
combo via a return lane -> target shot, you also are awarded an end of ball
Bonus X multiplier. Previously the additional award was a BackStage Pass.
- Fixed a bug where, if the Starchild drop target was disabled, the Starchild
targets would stop scoring Starchild lane awards.
- Fixed a bug where the background lamp effects for Super Targets and Super
Spinner were still active during the end of ball Bonus sequence.
- Added logic to the game to make score awards above 1M more readable, i.e.
1.2M instead 1200K, etc.. This is seen in switch/target/spinner awards that
have been multiplied multiple times causing their score values to be greater
than 1M.
- Added lamp logic to the Spinner stage of Rock City to show when the spinner
value is increased by a combo/shot multiplier.
- Added lamp logic to Super Spinners to show when the spinner value is
increased by a shot multiplier.
- Fixed a bug where Super Scoring count down speech was not being heard/played.
- Added logic to Super Spinners allowing the award to be multiplied by a
combo and a shot multiplier (in addition to Playfield Multipliers). The
right mini mars lamp will strobe when Super Spinner is available and
blink rapidly when a combo is available/timing out.
- Changed the scoring values for Super Targets and Super Scoring to be
equable with the other "Super" mode awards.
- Changed the Super Scoring background display effect text to be more readable.
- Fixed unreadable text that was displayed during the Super Scoring
"Time Extended" display effect.
- Reorganized the game logic that handles floating boxed scores to be consistent
within all the modes/multiballs that use this feature.
- Removed Double Scoring as a BackStage Pass award.
- Removed unused audits.
- Added "Shot Multipliers Lit" as a Backstage Pass Award.
- Fixed a bug where "2,000,000 + Backstage Pass Lit" was available as a
Backstage Pass award during tournament/competition games. It is still
available as an award during multiball but no longer part of the
tournament/competition sequence of awards.
- Added some changes to the audit text making it more readable.
- Added "2,000,000 + Backstage Pass Lit" as a Backstage Pass award.
This Backstage Pass award is given when:
1) A multiball is active, and
2) The multiball ball saver is active, and
3) Backstage Pass is lit and hasn't already given this award
This award solves the problem where Backstage Pass would normally award an
add-a-ball during the early stages of a multiball, i.e. it is less desirable
to have an add-a-ball award when the ball saver is already keeping balls in
play and more desirable to have this award when the ball saver has timed out.
- Fixed a Super Spinner scoring bug that maxed out the award score too soon.
- Fixed a text message on the Super Pop Bumpers background display effect where
text appeared partially off screen when awards were multiplied by 5X.
- Added additional arted score boxes, i.e. 205K-1MIL, 1M+. These are required
due to playfield multipliers raising the max arted score box. These appear
during Love Gun Multiball, Super Pops, Super Spinner, Super Targets and the
Pop Bumper & Starchild target stages of Rock City.
- Added new sound f/x and crowd sound f/x to the Kiss Army Wizard Mode Jackpot,
Double Jackpot & Super Jackpot awards.
- Added a new Shot Multiplier Lit sound f/x.
- Added a Virtual Locks adjustment to virtually lock balls in the Demon.
Default = NO. Now tournament directors can add this adjustment change to
make their tournament games more deterministic.
- Modified logic that determines how quickly new balls are kicked into play
once a ball is locked in the Demon head. Previously when the game couldn't
kick a new ball into play it would kick a ball from the Demon too early.
- Added logic to turn off the right ramp diverter upon entering the Diagnostic
Menu System. Previously the diverter would turn off once it timed out.
Additionally, upon exiting the Menu System, the right ramp diverter is put
back into the correct game state instead of waiting for the first
flipper/switch state change.
- Added crowd cheering sound f/x to the Rock City Instrument Stage & Kiss
Army Stage awards.
- Added shaker f/x to all the Rock City Stage awards.
- Added artwork/logic to the Rock City background/award screens to show
progress during the Instrument Stage, Kiss Army Stage, Pop Bumper Stage,
Demon Stage, Continents Stage & World Stage.
- Added artwork/logic to the Rock City Wizard Mode award display effects to
transition to the next stage upon completion.
- Added a new Rock City Super Jackpot animation for completing the mode.
- Now the left scoop/eject will hold the ball until the Rock City Super Jackpot
presentation is finished.
- Reorganized all of the Rock City Artwork and added additional artwork to the
Rock City Wizard Mode display effects.
- Added crowd cheering sound f/x to the Rock City Super Jackpot award.
- Added an underline to the mode names on the mode select screen.
- Added logic to the mode background display effects to show the number of
mode shots made/remaining. The shots are represented by a line that
appears under the name of the mode, i.e. the line is filled in as progress is
made towards completing the mode.
- Added logic to the mode select background display effect to show the
number of mode shots made/remaining.
- Made the Combo Awards Instant Info screen more readable.
- Now the Demon Multiball background display effect shows the amount of time
remaining for locked balls.
- Added 2-Way, 3-Way, 4-Way, 5-Way and 10-Way City Combo Instant Info pages to
show which unique combos have been completed.
- Cleaned up intro speech/fx.
- Added sound f/x to Playfield Multiplier 2X/3X/5X awards.
- Added sound f/x to Shot Multipliers lit/awarded.
- Added a new "timed out" sound effect to Super Scoring.
- Added abbreviated intro speech .wav files.
- Added City Combos to Instant Info.
- Added 15 Unique City Combos. Combos score 1M x number of
shots in the combo. The 15 Unique City Combos are:
1) Chicago: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp
2) Pittsburg: Right Ramp -> Left Ramp
3) Seattle: Left Orbit -> Left Scoop
4) Portland: Left Orbit -> Starchild Lane
5) Los Angeles: Right Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Demon
6) Houston: Right Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Right Orbit
7) New Orleans: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Orbit
😎 Atlanta: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Scoop
9) Orlando: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Starchild Lane
10) Mexico City: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Orbit -> Left Scoop
11) Tokyo: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Orbit -> Starchild Lane
12) London: Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Right Ramp
13) New York: Right Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Right Ramp -> Left Ramp
14) San Francisco: Left Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Left Ramp -> Right Orbit
15) Detroit: 5 sets of Left Ramp -> Right Ramp
- Added logic for City Combos to light Extra Ball.
- Added a City Combo Extra Ball Adjustment, default = 5 Cities to light Extra Ball.
- Added Super Scoring count down sound f/x.
- Reorganized the Back Stage Pass Awards & competition sequence.
- Removed Deuce HurryUp as a Back Stage Pass award.
- Added Super Scoring time out speech.
- Fixed a bug where Super Scoring count down speech was not be heard/played.
- Added countdown speech to Super Scoring.
- Added flipper blowoff to Super Ramps/Targets/Spinner/Pops/Scoring.
- Added logic for Super Scoring to run without it's own music.
Previously the "Deuce" tune would play when Super Scoring was
active. Now Super Scoring adopts the music currently in play as the
music that is heard when Super Scoring is active.
- Added Super Scoring Start artwork & intro display effect.
- Added Super Scoring Start sound f/x.
- Changed the Super Scoring switch hit display animation sequence to make it
easier to see the awarded score.
- Added a Super Scoring Rule (which replaces the Fast Scoring rule). It has the
same look/feel as the other "Super" awards.
- Restructured the Mystery rule to be more memory efficient.
- The Back Stage Pass Super Scoring award now has the same weighted criteria as the
other "Super" awards.
- City selection/speech has been removed from the mode select screen as the
speech/awards are now associated with combos.
- Fixed a problem where balls dropped behind the drop target during Love Gun
Multiball would momentarily reset the drop target.
- Added a City Combo Champion.
- Added adjustments to support City Combo Champion (default score threshold,
type of award to give, # of awards to give.
- Added City Combo Champion to the attract mode.
- Added City Combo audits.
- Added City Combo speech and award sound F/X.
- Added iconic game start speech and sound f/x.
- Changed the Super Targets switch scoring animation to make it easier to see
the awarded score.
- Added an exposition animation to the Super Targets award sequence.
- Added logic to Super Targets, Love Gun Multiball and the Rock City Multiball
Starchild stage to distribute the displayed awards more evenly across the
entire display. Previously the awards tended to cluster around the center of
the display.
- Restructured the Super Targets background lamp effect to be more NODE
board efficient.
- Added logic to pause the HurryUp countdowns in Love Gun Multiball
when balls are in the Demon/Starchild/Back Stage Pass ejects.
- Tweaked the timing on the logic that raises the Starchild drop target
as a ball passes over it en route to the Star targets , i.e. reduce the
probability of the drop target pushing a ball into the plastic
enclosure above it.
- Restructured logic to control the Starchild slings during Love Gun Multiball.
- Fixed a bug where shot multipliers could be lit and collected via the same shot
into the Starchild area.
- Added logic to the Starchild entrance switch to score mode/multiball/instrument
shot awards and advance progress towards Love Gun Multiball. Previously
these rules only used the STAR targets/eject to score awards.
- Restructured logic that locks/holds a ball behind the drop target during Love
Gun Multiball. This fixed a bug where Front Row and Back Stage Pass add-a-ball
awards were adding too many balls back into play.
- Changed the lightshows that are seen when balls are kicked out of the Demon to
focus on the Demon Head.
- Restructured the Demon/Starchild/Back Stage Pass eject lamp effects to be
more NODE board efficient.
- Fixed a problem where Love Gun Multiball was not awarding an add-a-ball upon
hitting the Starchild drop target. The problem occurred when the Starchild
HurryUp was ready to expire.
- Fixed a multiball bug where Front Row could fail to add the correct number of
balls back into play if the trough was busy keeping balls in play.
- Changed the right orbit spinner display animation sequence to make
it easier to see the awarded score.
- Restructured the Super Ramps background lightshow to accommodate
combos, i.e. the lamps will blink faster to indicate a combo is available.
- Added logic to extend the ball saver time during the first HurryUp stage
of Love Gun Multiball to insure the player gets time to minimally play a 2
ball multiball.
- Cleaned up outlane ball save logic to make it more readable.
- Fixed a Back Stage Pass display effect problem where the Bonus X
award text was not being displayed correctly.
- Added graphics/scoring for each pop bumper hit during the pop bumper stage of
Rock City.
- Added Star animations & scoring for each Starchild target hit during the City stage
of Rock City.
- Added Starburst graphics/scoring for each spinner hit during the USA/spinner
stage of Rock City.
- Added Starburst graphics and larger text to the spinner rule display effect making
it easier to see the awarded score for each spinner hit/rotation.
- Added ticket dispenser to diagnostics menu.
- Fixed a bug in the Match display effect that was not displaying numbers correctly.
- Added logic to briefly ignore switch closures in the Starchild area when
Starchild is dropping off a ball, i.e. the dropped ball could knock down and
score a drop target hit from behind.
- Added a Starburst animation sequence to the Starchild target/sling/eject switches
during Love Gun Multiball.
- Changed the KISS and ARMY HurryUp rule availability criteria, i.e. now the HurryUp's
are no longer available during any of the 3 Wizard Modes.
- Now the Starchild targets, upon completion, contribute to the Love Gun Multiball
HurryUp Jackpot value.
- Fixed score messages that were not appearing correctly due to the new internal
score structure change.
- Changed the Instrument rule availability criteria, i.e. Instruments are now
available when KISS ARMY is ready to start.
- Changed the internal score structure to allow for scores that are greater than 4B.
- Updated Mode/Multiball/Wizard Mode display effects to show the multiplied
award correctly, i.e. Base Award * Shot Multiplier * Combo Multiplier * Playfield
Multiplier(s). Note: When Playfield Multipliers ( 2X-3X-Colossal, Demon
Multiball lock multiplier & Double Scoring) are active at the same time the
resulting Playfield Multiplier is created by adding up the constituent playfield
multipliers.
- Moved text around to make the Love Gun Multiball background display effect
more readable.
- Added a new Love Gun Multiball intro lightshow that syncs with the movement
of the display/ball.
- Reworked the Love Gun Multiball Jackpot, Double Jackpot and Triple
Jackpot award display effects to show the awarded score sooner.
- Added DMD graphics to Love Gun Multiball of Starchild moving across the stage
as the Triple Jackpot award.
- Now the Starchild Spot light stays on during Love Gun Multiball to help
with general illumination.
- Fixed a Love Gun Multiball background lamp effect that was turning shot
arrow lamps ON/OFF incorrectly.
- Fixed a Love Gun Multiball ready lightshow that was blinking the Star Flash
Lamp in the Starchild area, i.e. Love Gun Multiball can only be started by
shooting the right ramp.
- Added a Love Gun Multiball HurryUp ready lightshow directing the player
to shoot the lit Starchild shot/arrow.
- Restructured the Super Spinner background lamp effect to be more NODE
board efficient.
- STAR lamps now blink ON/OFF instead of strobing at game start.
- Changed the rules/scoring for Love Gun Multiball. Now Love Gun
Multiball starts as a 2 ball multiball with 1 ball held captive if started in
the Starchild area. Shoot the captive Starchild ball to collect a Love Gun
Hurryup award and add an additional ball into play.
- Added logic to keep the drop target raised (and/or keep the ball in the
Starchild eject) until the Super Jackpot (and Rock City Wizard Mode Advance)
display effects are finished.
- Fixed Love Gun Multiball Super Jackpot being awarded prematurely when
Starchild drops the ball off at the drop target.
- Fixed a Love Gun Multiball double jackpot lightshow that ended prematurely.
- Changed the criteria for when Demon Multiball is available, i.e. now Demon
Multiball is available to start if KISS ARMY wizard mode is lit/ready to start.
- Fixed a bug where some of the STAR targets were not awarding a lit shot
multiplier.
- Changed the rules/scoring for Love Gun Multiball. Complete all of the
Jackpot/Double Jackpot shots to light the right ramp for a Triple Jackpot.
Complete the right ramp to light a Super Jackpot HurryUp at the Starchild shot.
The ball is carried over to and dropped off behind the Starchild drop target.
Hit the drop target to release the ball and score a Super Jackpot. Previously
the Super Jackpot was collected at the Starchild Eject.
- Added logic/graphics/scoring to the Starchild target/sling/eject switches during
Love Gun Multiball.
- Fixed a bug where the word "INVALID" would momentarily appear on the
background screen in place of the name of the current mode/tune.
- Fixed a bug found in several modes where the game state was not being saved
properly for multi player games, i.e. upon draining the next player's mode may
not operate properly.
- Changed the Detroit Rock City mode rules to always pickup where the mode
ended upon draining. Previously the mode could restart with all the shots lit.
- Fixed a bug in Detroit Rock City where the game could set the Right Orbit as the
2X blinking arrow shot.
- Fixed a mode/tune selection bug where, upon selecting a mode, the
corresponding lit arrows that appear in the mode selection presentation change
to something else. This was most noticeable when a mode was partially finished
where, upon draining, at the start of the next ball the player is allowed to pick
another mode/tune.
- Changed the rules for Black Diamond, i.e. previously an alternating Right Orbit/
Pop Bumper shot moving centric mode. Now one shot stays lit upon completion
and only moves to a new position via a pop bumper hit. Scoring is based upon
shot difficulty. Make 8 shots to complete the Mode.
- Changed the Hotter than Hell mode rules to always pickup where the mode
ended upon draining. Previously the mode could restart with the KISS targets
lit as the next shot.
- Changed the rules for Love it Loud, i.e. an Outside/Inside shot centric mode.
Now complete the 2 (Outside) orbit shots to light the 4 (Inside) shots.
Completing a lit Inside shot relights the remaining 3 Inside shots. The mode will
always pickup where it ended upon draining. Previously the mode would restart
with the 2 (Outside) orbit shots lit.
- Changed rules for Rock and Roll All Night, i.e. a combo/flow centric mode.
Shooting a lit shot will, upon completion, light additional shots that are in line
with the next flipped ball. This allows you to combo/finish the mode quickly.
Additionally, the mode picks up where it ended upon draining.
- Changed the Shout it Out Loud multi level mode rules to always pickup where
the mode/level ended upon draining. Previously the mode could be reset back
to the first level.
- Colorized the auto launch full playfield lightshow that is seen at the end of
mode select, i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence now match the selected mode
color.
- Changed the criteria for when Heaven's on Fire wizard mode is available,
i.e. now Heaven's on Fire is not available to start if KISS ARMY or ROCK CITY
wizard modes are lit/ready to start.
- Fixed a bug where mode select was available during the grace period of
Demon Multiball where a player could shoot the left scoop for a Back
Stage Pass add-a-ball award to restart the multiball.
- Decreased the amount of time the left/right orbit switches are inhibited
from scoring when a ball is auto-launched from the shooter lane. This
allows the player to override the functionality of the auto plunged event
and shoot/collect lit left/right orbit awards.
- Left justified one of the display animations that appears during a
Deuce Award to solve the appearance of being cropped off.
- Now the Kiss HurryUp (started by completing the KISS targets) is available
for 20 seconds .
- Now the Army HurryUp (started by completing the ARMY targets) is available
for 10 seconds.
- Added Kiss HurryUp award lightshow, shaker effects.
- Added Army HurryUp lightshow, shaker effects.
- Now shot multipliers are available/lit by collecting a set of HurryUps (KISS and
ARMY). Previously they were lit by completing a mode.
- Changed the default settings for the # of song completions that are required to
advance the playfield multiplier. Default = 1.
- Changed MAX playfield multiplier, i.e. Colossal Bonus is now worth 5X.
- Fixed a problem where the game would reset the playfield multiplier at the
start of a ball even if the adjustment was set to retain earned multipliers.
- Added new kick out sounds to the Starchild eject.
- Added Rock City Start crowd cheer sound effects.
- Removed Instrument lights (PowerOn, Starchild, Spaceman, Demon, Catman)
from Instrument shot award lightshows to make it easier to see the next available
Instrument to collect/shot.
- Added a Rock City mode completed/total display effect.
- Added a Rock City mode completed "Keep Flipping" display effect.
- Added Rock City Multiball post final shot speech while the balls are draining.
- Added a more dynamic background lightshow to the Rock City Pop Bumper Stage.
- Added a more dynamic background lightshow to the Rock City Starchild Stage.
- Fixed a bug with the Continents stage of Rock City where the right orbit shot
was not being initialized correctly.
- Fixed a bug where the Final Shot display effect in Rock City was not being
shown as the balls drained.
- Fixed a bug where mode select would start prematurely when shooting the
left scoop to collect the Final Shot in Rock City.
- Added a twinkle effect to the pop bumper lamps during the Pop Bumper
Stage of Rock City.
- Fixed a problem in the DEMON stage of Rock City where multiple shots into the
Demon were not being scored properly.
- Increased Rock City Ball savers that occur between stages/levels.
- Now there is no Ball Saver as you enter the final stage of Rock City as there is
only 1 final shot to make.
- Now the Instrument stage of Rock City requires 4 instruments. The right ramp
POWER_ON_INSTRUMENT will spot a lit instrument.
- Added Balls Draining artwork (used by the Rock City Completed display effect
when multiple balls are/were in play).
- Now Rock City, i.e. the final wizard mode, ends differently. If multiple balls are
still in play after making the final shot the flippers are momentarily
turned off. While the remaining balls are draining you are shown the total
points collected before returning you back to 1 ball play.
- Changed the default settings to Save Love Gun Multiball Progress, default = YES.
- Added/Changed Rock City audits for each level/stage of completion.
- Added "Rock City Completed", "Rock City Completed-Keep Shooting"
display effects, lamp effects.
- Added logic to raise the left 4 bank drop targets at the start of the Rock City
Kiss Army stage.
- Now each stage of Rock City has it's own background display effect along
with information indicating requirements needed to complete the stage.
- Now Rock City multiball continues to play when there is only 1 ball in play.
- Changed the rules for Rock City, i.e. the final Wizard Mode. Previously
you were required to make each shot 4 times before lighting a super jackpot
at the left scoop. Now Rock City is a 3 ball Multiball with 7 levels/stages
to play/advance through:
Stage 1 = collect lit instruments, each scores 1M:
Stage 2 = collect lit "KISS ARMY" targets, each scores 2M
Stage 3 = collect lit pop bumpers, each scores 300K.
Stage 4 = spell "DEMON" via the Demon shot, each scores 4M.
Stage 5 = collect lit Starchild shots, each target/sling/eject scores 500K.
Stage 6 = collect lit spinners, each scores 600K.
Stage 7 = collect lit arrows, each scores 7M.
Stage 8 = Final Shot lit for 100M, collected at the Left Scoop.
Note: the 6 shots (Left Orbit, Starchild, Left Ramp, Demon, Right Ramp, Right Orbit)
can be multiplied via combos and the multiplier rule.
Completing a stage will add-a-ball back into play if 3 or less balls are
already in play.
- Fixed a bug where the KISS target rule/scoring logic was different between Pro/LE/Premium
models. This was most apparent during Grid Multiball (Heaven's On Fire).
- Reorganized the order in which features are awarded via the KISS targets, i.e. all models
(Pro/LE/Premium) now collect awards in the same order.
- The components that advance the Bonus score are no longer available during Rock City.
- Fixed a bug where sometimes no music would play at the start of a ball if Rock City was lit.
- Changed the Kiss Army ball save timer default/min/max settings. Default = 40 seconds.
- Changed the Rock City ball save timer default/min/max settings. Default = 40 seconds.
- Changed Mode Select criteria, i.e. Mode select is no longer available if Rock City is lit.
- Added Rock City award sound effects.
- Added Rock City award display effects.
- Fixed a problem with the KISS targets completed lamp effect.
- Revised standup target lightshows (KISS, STAR, Demon, ARMY).
- Fixed a problem where a shot into the Demon was being scored twice, i.e. once
by the entrance switch and once by the eject.
- Changed the min/max/default adjustment settings for Heaven's On Fire to have
a longer ball save, default = 40 seconds.
- Added speech to the Kiss Army wizard mode start sequence.
- Added speech to the Rock City wizard mode start sequence.
- Elongated the blink rate sequence when showing multiple awards on a blinking
arrow, i.e. the arrow will now show/blink each color longer before switching
to the next color/award.
- Added logic to kick a new ball into play quicker when locking a ball in the
Demon lock.
- Colorized the full playfield lightshow that is seen when awarding a Demon
lock, i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now green.
- Improved and colorized the full playfield lightshow seen when starting Demon
Multiball, i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now red.
- Colorized the Demon Multiball full playfield lightshows (Jackpot, Demon Jackpot,
Super Jackpot, Double Jackpot, Super Double Jackpot), i.e. RGB lamps in the
sequence are now red.
- Colorized the Instrument full playfield lightshows (Power On, Instrument Collected),
i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now orange.
- Colorized the Love Gun Multiball full playfield lightshows (Jackpot, Double Jackpot,
Super Jackpot), i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now magenta.
- Added a lightshow for balls being kicked out of the Demon Mouth.
- Cleaned up code in Kiss Army Multiball that was needlessly saving the game state
from ball-2-ball.
- Colorized the Kiss Army Multiball full playfield lightshows (Jackpot, Double Jackpot,
Super Jackpot), i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now lime green.
- Colorized mode full playfield lightshows (awards, 2X awards, 2X+ awards),
i.e. RGB lamps in the sequence are now the same color as the mode arrows.
- Reworked mode award lightshow presentations to be faster.
- Added more dynamic mode award lightshows for the right/left ramps, left/right orbits,
Star Child shot, Demon shot (when shot lamp arrows score 1X, 2X, 2x+).
- Tweaked rgb palette lamp colors and added functionality to allow colorization
of lightshows.
- added Kiss Army award sound effects.
- removed the Extra Ball insert light from alternating lamp lightshows.
- Added logic to award Demon multiplier, mode awards, instrument and "Spell Demon"
to both the Demon Entrance & Eject switches in cases where the Demon Entrance
opto was broken and/or working intermittently. The remaining awards require
a shot into the Demon Eject. This fixes the problem where a song multiplier
and instrument were both lit at the Demon but only the multiplier was being awarded.
- Fixed a bug where combo shots were not being awarded/multiplied correctly at
the Demon shot.
- Fixed a bug where multiplied awards were not being multiplied at the Demon shot
when the award was given at the Demon entrance instead of the Demon Eject.
(This happened when the ball was restricted from entering the Demon Eject).
- Fixed a problem when there are no balls in the trough to instantly serve the
right outlane ball save. If this happens the game will now wait for the ball
to arrive at the trough and serve it back into play.
- Fixed a problem when a ball was kicked out of the Demon's mouth and exited the
game via the left outlane while the "Front Row" ball save feature was lit.
Under this circumstance, the system "Ball Save" takes precedence and tries to
immediately serve another ball into play, if possible. Otherwise, the game waits
for the ball to travel to the trough at which time a new ball will be kicked
back into play. The problem that occurred was that under these circumstances
the Ball Saver timed out between the time the ball exited the left outlane and
entered the trough.
- Changed the Demon ball saver criteria to better handle cases when existing
ball savers (or multiballs that are maintaining ball counts) were set to expire.
- Added a BackStage Pass Add-a-Ball Ball Save Timer Adjustment.
- Added translated text to the Demon Ball Save Timer Adjustment.
- Added translated text to the Grid Multiball Ball Save Timer Adjustment.
- Added a "Demon Ball Save During Multiball" adjustment, Default = NO.
- Removed unused adjustment and associated logic.
- Renamed the Rock City Multiball Ball Save timer adjustment.
- Renamed and added languages to the Grid Multiball Ball Save timer adjustment.
- Fixed text in the Love Gun Multiball Ball Save timer adjustment.
- Fixed a problem where balls were not kicked out of the Demon Lock at game over
if the Match adjustment was set to OFF.
- Changed the default volume to approx. 75db
- Changed the default ball save settings on China games.
- Changed the criteria when speech & sound FX are heard while pressing the
flipper/start buttons during the attract mode.
- fixed several lamp attributes that were mislabeled.
- Fixed a problem with the roving shot award during Deuce. Once a roving
shot has moved the original shot/position is still available for a short
grace period. The game was incorrectly making a grace period shot/positon
available during portions of the mode when the shot was not roving.
- Fixed a lamp function that was not turning on the correct number of lamps.
This would occur during whole playfield lightshows.
- Fixed a problem where mode select was still active after the player plunged
the ball and inadvertently switched the selected song upon pressing a flipper
button.
- Update to nodeboard firmware v0.28.0
- Added LIFETIME count to Standard Audit #16 "Total Plays".
- Added JAPAN_3 Coinage 1/YEN 200.
- Added UTIL->VOL adjustments for minimum and maximum master volume level and
minimum and maximum headphones volume level. This will limit the selectable
volume range from the service menu Plus and Minus keys and the headphones
rotary dial.
- Added support for 6th coin switch.
- When entering UTIL->VOL, the first sub-menu adjustment is selected, previous
behavior would select the last displayed sub-menu adjustment.
- Added Standard Adjustment "START GAME ON CREDIT". Settings are:
"OFF" - Do not automatically start a game or add a player when inserted money registers a credit
"FIRST ONLY" - Automatically start a game when inserted money registers a credit
"ALL CREDITS" - Automatically start a game or add a player when inserted money registers a credit
Adding multiple credits simultaneously, via a bill acceptor, will only start
a one player game or add a single player.
Default setting is "OFF"
- Removed unused obsolete Standard Adjustments: "FLASH LAMP POWER", "COIL PULSE POWER",
"BILL VALIDATOR", "TEAM SCORES", and "CONSOLATION BALL".
- Added USA_13 Coinage 1/$1.00, 7/$5.00
- Added adjustment to scale GI, Insert, and Flasher LED brightness, range
is 25% to 100%.
- Added adjustment to limit GI, Insert, and Flasher LED Max brightness, range
is 64 to 255.
- Enhanced center channel clarity.
- Added bass frequency filter selection options: 125Hz, 250Hz, and disabled.
- Added treble frequency filter selection options: 4kHz, 8kHz, and disabled.
- Added adjustments for backbox and cabinet speaker types to the service menu
UTIL->VOL. Supported speaker types are "8 OHM" and "4 OHM".
The amplifier power curve is appropriately adjusted for the selected speaker type.
- Updated AD_TILT_DEBOUNCE minimum value to 750ms to avoid overly conservative configurations.
- DIAG->NODE->COMM test would occasionally falsely report address collisions,
this has been corrected.
- Extend TIMED PLUNGER adjustment range to DISABLED or 1 - 300 seconds
- Correct minimum firing time for flipper coil when an EOS switch is inconsistent
or poorly gapped
- Improved LED refresh rate and blink consistency.
- Improved reporting of shorted General Illumination bulbs and sockets.
- Added AD_TILT_DEBOUNCE adjustment in ms for tilt bob debounce
- Changed debounce logic/timing to prevent double start button detects.
- Added USA_12 Coinage 1/$0.25, 5/$1.00
- Added audit for total number of one, two, three, and four players games
that have been played.
- Improved sound processing
- Interactively update the backbox brightness while changing Attract Mode,
Game Play, and Service Mode adjustments in the service menu
- Reworked boot time displays for node board firmware update and locating node
boards.
- Added boot time display for overcurrent detected (shorted coil or LED) on
node boards.
- Added support for dynamic detection and isolation of overcurrent coils or
LEDs. Previous behavior would disable all coils and LEDs for 1/2 second each
time a short was detected. New behavior will determine the short coil and/or
LED and disable only the offender.
- Added tech alert for overcurrent coils and LEDs on node boards. New
diagnostic test to retest node board and report with coils/LEDs are drawing
too much current. Excessive current draw could be the result of a shorted
coil, an incorrect replacement LED/incandescent bulb, shorted light socket,
et cetera.
- Every 15 minutes during attract mode overcurrent coils/led will be rechecked
and returned to service if operating correctly.
- Added adjustment for "GAME PLAY B.BOX BRIGHTNESS"
- Renamed "BACKBOX BRIGHTNESS" to "ATTRACT MODE B.BOX BRIGHTNESS"
- The deprecated BILL VALIDATOR adjustment has been removed.
- Updated Norway coin door to 1/5/10/20 Kr for left/center/right/4th
slot.
- Updated Sweden coin door to 1/5/10/2 Kr for left/center/right/4th
slot.
- Added Sweden 3 credit pricing 1 credit for 10 Kr.
- Updated Sweden dip switch setting (0x0B) default to Sweden 3 pricing.
- Replaced hardware version number with OS version number on diagnostic
screen.
- Added a message LOCATING NODE BOARDS. This will display if a required
node board is not discovered, previously it would incorrectly state
UPDATING NODE BOARD and UPDATE FAILED. The node board number(s) of
missing boards will be displayed and updated as boards are found.
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thank goodness your hand has healed up :D
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Holy shit! What a huge update, in saying that it should be.
But thank god they did actually do a huge update for it.
Enjoy Nino, hopefully your patience was worth it.
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Did the Code Update and there is an immediate and comprehensive difference - I'm VERY happy ! I put in 2 hours last night with the kids, and we had a great time. I get to watch the changes while they play and there are some VERY cool call outs.
This probably is not a game changer for most, but starting a new game and hearing the original audio from "Alive I" - "You wanted the best, and you got it, the hottest band in the land - KISS" and "Alive II" - "You wanted the best and you got the best, the hottest band in the World - KISS". That is SO COOL for a hardcore fan.
Rule changes - Some of this might be incorrect, as the game has to tune itself as it is played ;
Cities Combos - VERY VERY cool. New Call Outs, and some serious scoring with bonus.Song Selection and progress - There's now a "progress bar" on each song. As you progress through collecting the shots for each song, the progress bar advances and then you get to collect the song and light up "2X". Now this is HUGE, as prior to this, you are not aware of your progress - just mindless ramp shots - which is why I stopped playing the game all together.Lighting during Multiballs - VAST improvement. Visuals have improved.
So these are only the tip of the iceberg, but I wanted to post an update. Stern SHOULD have done this 2 years ago, and the many KISS owners would not have sold their machines. This game will get better as I play the game more, but finally, FINALLY, I have that urge of "just one more game". I'm stoked that I kept my game.
All that I want now is a color DMD. Seriosuly, the game looks amazing and now plays a whole lot different, but I want to finish mine off with the color DMD.
Stoked. Just really happy that it is being played and I can't wait to get home to play it again. Well done Stern.
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another update for you Nino
V1.41.0 - December 11, 2018
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- Added the virtual locks adjustment to the "Install Competition" menu.
- Renamed several adjustments to better describe what each adjustment
changes. The adjustment "Demon Eject Power" is now called
"Demon Eject/VUK Power" and controls the power of the coil that kicks
the ball from the playfield up into the Demon Head. The adjustment
"Demon LockUp Power" is now called "Demon LockUp/Release Power"
and controls the coil that kicks out locked balls from the Demon Head.
- Raised the volume of the Demon Lock Rapid Kick sound effect.
- Changed the Demon Multiball Start full playfield light show. Now the end
sequence playfield lights are in sync with the balls as they exit the Demon
mouth.
- Now the game gives an award for collecting all 15 City Combos. This
award can be multiplied by the shot/playfield multipliers. Upon completion
the game resets the Cities collected allowing for another set of 15 cities to
be collected.
- Added a Demon Spinning Motor test to the Game-Specific tests.
- Added an adjustment to disable the Demon Spinning Motor Disc.
- Added a slingshot power adjustment.
- Changed the default slingshot power.
- Added a Starchild slingshot power adjustment.
- Changed the default Starchild slingshot power.
- Added an adjustment for auto Ball Launch power.
- Added a Trough Eject power adjustment.
- Added Coin Meter to coil test.
- Added Ticket Meter to coil test.
- Changed the default Shaker Motor power.
- Changed the default diagnostic Shaker Motor "ON" time.
- Fixed a bug where the left outlane ball save would not perform an early kick.
Instead, it would wait for the ball to drain before kicking a new ball into play.
- Optimized the amount of game data being saved to the SD card.
- Changed the City Combo award lightshow to a "radar" look.
- Changed the Starchild full playfield lightshow (seen when hitting the
Starchild targets as play is advanced towards Love Gun Multiball) to be
more Starchild centric.
- Colorized the Starchild full playfield lightshow, i.e. RGB lamps in the
sequence now match the Love Gun Multiball arrow colors.
- Colorized the Love Gun Multiball Ready full playfield lightshow, i.e. RGB
lamps in the sequence now match the Love Gun Multiball arrow colors.
- Added outlane speech and probability criteria to hear it upon draining
the last ball.
- Changed the spelling of "Pittsburg" to "Pittsburgh".
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another update for you Nino
V1.41.0 - December 11, 2018
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- Added the virtual locks adjustment to the "Install Competition" menu.
- Renamed several adjustments to better describe what each adjustment
changes. The adjustment "Demon Eject Power" is now called
"Demon Eject/VUK Power" and controls the power of the coil that kicks
the ball from the playfield up into the Demon Head. The adjustment
"Demon LockUp Power" is now called "Demon LockUp/Release Power"
and controls the coil that kicks out locked balls from the Demon Head.
- Raised the volume of the Demon Lock Rapid Kick sound effect.
- Changed the Demon Multiball Start full playfield light show. Now the end
sequence playfield lights are in sync with the balls as they exit the Demon
mouth.
- Now the game gives an award for collecting all 15 City Combos. This
award can be multiplied by the shot/playfield multipliers. Upon completion
the game resets the Cities collected allowing for another set of 15 cities to
be collected.
- Added a Demon Spinning Motor test to the Game-Specific tests.
- Added an adjustment to disable the Demon Spinning Motor Disc.
- Added a slingshot power adjustment.
- Changed the default slingshot power.
- Added a Starchild slingshot power adjustment.
- Changed the default Starchild slingshot power.
- Added an adjustment for auto Ball Launch power.
- Added a Trough Eject power adjustment.
- Added Coin Meter to coil test.
- Added Ticket Meter to coil test.
- Changed the default Shaker Motor power.
- Changed the default diagnostic Shaker Motor "ON" time.
- Fixed a bug where the left outlane ball save would not perform an early kick.
Instead, it would wait for the ball to drain before kicking a new ball into play.
- Optimized the amount of game data being saved to the SD card.
- Changed the City Combo award lightshow to a "radar" look.
- Changed the Starchild full playfield lightshow (seen when hitting the
Starchild targets as play is advanced towards Love Gun Multiball) to be
more Starchild centric.
- Colorized the Starchild full playfield lightshow, i.e. RGB lamps in the
sequence now match the Love Gun Multiball arrow colors.
- Colorized the Love Gun Multiball Ready full playfield lightshow, i.e. RGB
lamps in the sequence now match the Love Gun Multiball arrow colors.
- Added outlane speech and probability criteria to hear it upon draining
the last ball.
- Changed the spelling of "Pittsburg" to "Pittsburgh".
Sheesh. Silence for 3 years then spoilt rotten. Love the game as it is !
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Two hour session on my LE. Scored my High Score - 202 Million. First time I scored "Heaven's on Fire" Multiball since I bought the game. Code update has breathed new life into this title. Loving the game now - and SUPER glad I held onto it. Kids LOVE it as well !
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Nino, you would have never sold the game anyway
good or bad, it is still KISS
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Nino, you would have never sold the game anyway
good or bad, it is still KISS
you know me well Pete. LOVE this game right now.