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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => News & Announcements => Topic started by: Strangeways on September 05, 2015, 01:12:11 AM
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https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball
Hopefully this continues momentum. Great theme ^^^
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Since the rumours started circulating over 2 years ago (possibly longer) I have been thinking White Walker Multiball would be awesome and the artwork on the machine could look exceptional on both playfield and cabinet/translite artwork.
This gore type theme may impact on future "The Walking Dead" sales cause it's also a Dark themed pinny but hopefully it won't. Side by side, Game of Thrones and TW Dead would be awesome.
I think JJP sales of The Hobbitt will suffer badly cause that now is "old news" and feels like an old title because it has been forever in the making whereas the Game of Thrones is going to be seen as a "new" pin.
Sterns marketing strategy of releasing artwork only a few weeks before production starts is a better idea of releasing details 2 years prior to an actual machine hitting the showrooms.
Stern Pinball seems to be on the ball of late. Stern continues to give the public what they want.
At around $7950 the Pro pricing is still very affordable and attractive.
So many great titles to add of late. Been great fun adding n playing Sterns.
Great title coming out again is keeping a lot of people in the spending mood.
Well done to everyone who wants one of these Game of Thrones titles.
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https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball
Hopefully this continues momentum. Great theme ^^^
Awesome theme, I'm excited to see what they do with this one.
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Looking forward to seeing picture
Might have to save up and buy one next year
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Not for me but I said that about walking dead lol good to see Stern pumping out more games-maybe LCD?
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Not for me but I said that about walking dead lol good to see Stern pumping out more games-maybe LCD?
That would be great to see Peter. A few weeks ago I played an ACDC with an LCD instead of the DMD. Obviously the ACDC graphics were designed for DMD animation but the difference was huge between that and the LCD. Love to see new pins with LCD as standard. I wouldn't want to see them to big though, current DMD size is fine by me.
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Not for me but I said that about walking dead lol good to see Stern pumping out more games-maybe LCD?
That would be great to see Peter. A few weeks ago I played an ACDC with an LCD instead of the DMD. Obviously the ACDC graphics were designed for DMD animation but the difference was huge between that and the LCD. Love to see new pins with LCD as standard. I wouldn't want to see them to big though, current DMD size is fine by me.
Yeah I'd love a color LCD in my ACDC but at $700 wow :) yeah LCD say Frankenstein DMD size would be good to :).
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Pass!
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Pass!
Is there any machine you DO like?
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Pass!
Is there any machine you DO like?
Yes.
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OMG!!! Game of Thrones! Theme. Check. Designer. Check. LCD? Total missed opportunity if they don't go colour on this one. Most rumours saying it's another game with red dots. The modern digital world is in high definition colour and Stern is still pumping out machines with red dots....and another price rise?
Awaiting photos now.
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Not a big fan of the show, but the theme really could work well, particularly with the King designing it - might be a hit! Hopefully they throw away the Photoshop for this one and give us some nice graphics too.
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Should be a solid title. Not sure about lcd. Stern would again need to change their production line which would cost dollars and they havent long changed it anyway. 4 titles with the new angled design? Plus stern always have a budget and something added always means something else taken off. I could give a crap about an lcd if it means less gear on the pf.
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I was a late comer to the show. All my nieces and nephews are massive fans of the series. So I started watching it when it was airing season 3. I had to watch the first series 3-4 times as it was so scattered. Many plots and subplots didn't make sense until I kept watching. I really enjoy watching this franchise. There's a lot of depth to the series, and I'm hoping that translates well to the game.
I hope there's no photoshop on this game. Because it is based on the characters, I feel stern may well stick to photoshop.
I think this will be a winner.
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OMG!!! Game of Thrones! Theme. Check. Designer. Check. LCD? ...
Who is the designer of GOT?
Will Game Of Thrones be the machine you 'GOT' to have? !^!
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I'm hearing Ritchie is the man.
So should it be called game of flow and not thrones.
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Fingers crossed Lyman does the code he really is the master of rules :)
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Fingers crossed Lyman does the code he really is the master of rules :)
Dwight Sullivan is supposed to be coding this one. He's got an impressive list of games.
Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek TNG, Revenge From Mars, Terminator 2, Who Dunnit, Road Show, Junk Yard, Champion Pub...cherry picking games in his list of credits.
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Fingers crossed Lyman does the code he really is the master of rules :)
Dwight Sullivan is supposed to be coding this one. He's got an impressive list of games.
Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek TNG, Revenge From Mars, Terminator 2, Who Dunnit, Road Show, Junk Yard, Champion Pub...cherry picking games in his list of credits.
Ok cool-he also tried to fix Sterns Star Trek code :)
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Fingers crossed Lyman does the code he really is the master of rules :)
Dwight Sullivan is supposed to be coding this one. He's got an impressive list of games.
Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Trek TNG, Revenge From Mars, Terminator 2, Who Dunnit, Road Show, Junk Yard, Champion Pub...cherry picking games in his list of credits.
Ok cool-he also tried to fix Sterns Star Trek code :)
Lol. "Tried." Classic, Pete.
;-)
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Steve R has been on FB telling some good jokes and hyping up Game of Thrones. He is a funny guy and he is full of passion.
I asked him is he going to try and get his No 1 spot back from Borgy etc and he said of course, GOT will be a smash hit !
Stern is on fire !
I don't care for the LCD. I really like the bright red Dots. They work well. I watch the game during play and barely watch the screen. The colour DMD screens are good for people watching a game and spectators but I would be happy forever with the bright red dots.
JJP has done the LCD TV screen, yes it looks magnificent, BUT at the cost of less on the playfield on the Hobbitt model.
Woz playfield was great, Hobbitt playfield was dumbed down by a good 30 percent.
LCD screens are only good if it doesn't take hardware away from the playfield.
Red dots on Sterns seem easy to read at fast glances.
So it's not such a change that really matters from a gameplay point of view.
It does look good but it's not needed for Stern to get my money $.
Game of Thrones Pro = yes please x 1 for the Stern room.
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Sounds like it could be a good title. It's not a theme I'm into but if the game plays well then who cares. Can't wait to see it. I was thinking Star Wars would have been a good title to release at the end of the year.
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Heaps of pics on sterns FB page and on AA
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The Premium/LE playfield looks like there is a lot of stuff to do and quite interesting. The Pro model looks like a desert in comparison, bloody hell?
The artwork on the cab, translite and to a lesser extent the playfield doesn't enthuse me at all. It's a pretty dark series but that's not reflected in the artwork. It doesn't look like much effort went into the cabinet or translite artwork at all, looks kinda "budget".
Hopefully the game play of the Premium/LE is good, it looks like it could be promising from the inital pics, will be interested to see some gameplay vids.
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I was told someone has release early renderings only and that they are not the final versions of the real thing.
They don't look finished to me and the headbox art, translie and cabinet art don't look toed together.
Something g sint right here.
Even the playfield colours with bright green ugly bright green look totally out of place.
Waiting to see the real Stern press releases instead of these tease release shots by pinball enthusiasts.
If SR in charge. I would be expecting A lot more from Gane of Thrones.
Anyone else bit deflated so far ?
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I have stopped judging games from the first pictures
The games all seem better in person
But I do like what I see
Might have to save up, see if our dollar improves, and get one next year
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No word on local pricing yet, but Stern MSRP in the US is as follows:
Pro Model $5,995
Premium Model $7,595
Khaleesi Limited Edition $8,795
As previously mentioned this is advertised pricing in the US and astute buyers will always find a better deal privately. $#$
International orders to start shipping around the middle of this month.
Much like ACDC, removing an entire mini playfield between Pro and Premium/LE models will simply ensure that Pro model post purchase values will drop like a lead balloon.
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Looks good so far :) premium seems the way to go. A guy(Luke) from AA said he spoke to Bruce @ AMD and he said NO price increase :) hopefully that's right.
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Pf layouts look good, cab and pf art are atrocious.
Another half baked effort from Stern by the looks of it.
DMD or LCD?
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Pictures here ;
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/pcb.10153578877964244/10153578870044244/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/photos/pcb.10153578877964244/10153578870044244/?type=1&theater)
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/09/08/heres-your-first-look-at-game-of-thrones-pinball-exclusive/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/09/08/heres-your-first-look-at-game-of-thrones-pinball-exclusive/)
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Artwork is underwhelming. No characters on the playfield. I guess that was a ploy to avoid photoshop (a good thing). LE is just too messy. Pro looks like a desert. Not sure about the layout. It looks ok, but it didn't blow me away like TWD LE and KISS LE.
Miniplayfield will be too easy - should have used 2 inch flippers.
I would not go with the Pro - too basic. Maybe that's also a good thing ?
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I wouldn't pay 8k for a pro like that, so stripped down it isn't funny.
Be worth no more than 6k the moment you take it out of the box. Prem/le is the way to go if got is your thing.
I just think this whole release looks tacky and rushed, I thought SR and Stern have been working on this for ages? Sure doesn't look like it!
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AMD website has listed:
GAME OF THRONES PINBALL - STERN
2 MODELS AVAILABLE
GAME OF THRONES PRO PINBALL - $7950.00
GAME OF THRONES LIMITED EDITION PINBALL - $11,850.00
AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA - LATE NOVEMBER 2015
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I have never seen the show so can't say it is a must for me and can understand the use of some gears given the time setting but just seems like it is almost going steampunk as a little too many gears.
There are some elements that are cool and some that are terrible:
-nice that stern provided 3d renders of the game which are nice quality but the game components will never look this so doubt the finished product will match these images.
- I like the sword idea for stopping the ball and letting just one ball at a time through from the ball lock (I think) - can see the sword getting some realistic mod upgrades
- the shield inserts are cool, and new for this game which is nice and original but the playfield looks a little over powered by them all - almost out of proportion or unbalanced.
- the super jackpot / wildfire log looks like a similar Dutch Pinball rug idea concept idea.
- the pro is radically different and looks too bland and empty in the back lhs corner - wonder if some one would contemplate a mini-playfield mode for the pro. Someone could get a le and pro and compare and could possibly do well in a $1000 kit to bolt in??? to add features like a le....
- in a way it is better without characters on the playfield to make it a little more appealing in the future but the trans and cabinet art on the pro especially is crap.
so comparison pics
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I wouldn't pay 8k for a pro like that, so stripped down it isn't funny.
Be worth no more than 6k the moment you take it out of the box. Prem/le is the way to go if got is your thing.
I just think this whole release looks tacky and rushed, I thought SR and Stern have been working on this for ages? Sure doesn't look like it!
Yeah, totally underwhelming release on this one. The Pro is so cut down, it looks like a different game....and a Game of Thrones Pro without a throne???? The Pro is also missing Khaleesi and Jon Snow on the cabinet art. Would be like AC/DC Pro removing Angus!
One of my favourite TV shows at the moment and just not feeling it. I was the same for The Walking Dead, but after a year, I would now buy one. Will let Game of Thrones mature and actually play one down the track.
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Not a theme for me & tbh I can't really get into the "series" as pin themes - where's the timelessness? Pro model looks so stripped it really IS the pro model. Seems like Stern is going from a win with Kiss to a big dump with this one - but we'll see.
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Does anyone know what Stern's next title is?
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13651.0
Too soon. :lol
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I like to call myself Sterns biggest fan but I don't feel anything for this release at all.
The playfield art has no pictures at all - zilch people, just insert shapes.
I expected to see WhiteWalkers and various people from the show or at least a medi evil village and the Great Wall or the Kings Landing map layer out on the playfield etc etc etc.
the playfield artwork is terrible. Someone who knows absolutely nothing about the show did this artwork.
Then it gets worse, the cabinet art is bare minimum at best.
Then the back box translite is high school and not world class anywhere.
The look of the whole thing is just plain bad. I can't believe Stern allowed this to be the so called final machine release.
It's like it was rushed badly to kill JJP,s Hobbitt sales.
This game needs major major revision before release.
It needs scrapping in my view.
I have often said don't judge a game til u see it in person but this one looks terrible.
Every release Stern has done recently like Star Trek, ACDC , X Men , WWE, The Walking Dead, Kiss and Mustang, Metallica and the list goes on we're all superb looking in Pro form not to mention the other models but this title looks dreadful and I am a huge fan of Stern but this has dissapointed me BIG time.
Nothing looks tied together.
Is it a bad rush job or is the artwork been done by someone who just had no passion for the show ?
I just can't understand how Stern can hit a dozen home runs then allow this past the doors to be seen in public. It's just plain ugly and looks as boring as buggery. The playfield art is the worst I have seen since the start of DMD machines ? I hope to hell they make some big changes or it will sink like the titanic.
I will send a honest letter to Stern.
I look forward to seeing the machines in person and maybe I will change my mind, but I am honestly in shock.
This one is just plain terrible in every way and that's hard for Sterns biggest fan to say.
Hope things get better on this one.
Still can't believe how amateur it looks.
A massive departure from Sterns last ten titles. Dissapointed on this one.
I predict sales will be very bad and Stern will be getting a lot of feedback so this mess doesn't happen again in the next dozen releases.
Anyone think similar thoughts to me ?
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AMD website has listed:
GAME OF THRONES PINBALL - STERN
2 MODELS AVAILABLE
GAME OF THRONES PRO PINBALL - $7950.00
GAME OF THRONES LIMITED EDITION PINBALL - $11,850.00
AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA - LATE NOVEMBER 2015
No price rise is a positive for local buyers at least.
Also noted no mention of Premium or their pricing is interesting.
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Some close up playfield mock up shots as a slideshow here:
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/09/08/game-of-thrones-pinball-machine-first-images-details-and-release-window
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AMD website has listed:
GAME OF THRONES PINBALL - STERN
2 MODELS AVAILABLE
GAME OF THRONES PRO PINBALL - $7950.00
GAME OF THRONES LIMITED EDITION PINBALL - $11,850.00
AVAILABLE IN AUSTRALIA - LATE NOVEMBER 2015
Hedging their bets like they did with TDE Premium. If the LE sells out quickly, then the Premium will be made. Judging on the initial response, it looks unlikely. I'm on the fence with this game. There's so much potential to hit the younger generation that love this show. Taking advise from GOT Fans - there's no characters on the playfield, so the interest is not there. Licensing issue perhaps ? No John Snow LE ?
No price rise is a positive for local buyers at least.
Also noted no mention of Premium or their pricing is interesting.
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Some close up playfield mock up shots as a slideshow here:
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/09/08/game-of-thrones-pinball-machine-first-images-details-and-release-window
It's bad - really bad! I like the upper playfield but the rest really is a shocker - it's like someone was let loose with a shape template & got over-excited with using the triangle. This is honestly one of the ugliest playfields I've seen. I just don't get it - it must have been rushed???
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Reminds me of looking at Big Buck Hunter.
...I hope your right Cavey, and this was rushed to get out before the Hobbit.
I'd still be happy do drop some cash into the coin box, even the Pro. But I can't see any market for this as a home pin.
Not much left to say here, except what are the rumours for Sterns next pin?
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Reminds me of looking at Big Buck Hunter.
...I hope your right Cavey, and this was rushed to get out before the Hobbit.
I'd still be happy do drop some cash into the coin box, even the Pro. But I can't see any market for this as a home pin.
Not much left to say here, except what are the rumours for Sterns next pin?
Rumoured games for the next 12 months: Jurassic World, Ghostbusters, Jimi Hendrix and Spiderman VE.
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Stern won't need to rush any title out to beat Hobbit. There's probably another 5-6 Stern releases before that needs to be taken into consideration...
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And I bet Jack is breathing a sigh of relief this weekend after the so-called "Hobbit killer" photos were released and everyone got their pitchforks out.
Rumour mill update: Ghostbusters to be the early 2016 release and we could even see a Spiderman VE between GoT and Ghostbusters. That would make sense with Stern doing a run of old games around Christmas time each year.
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Stern won't need to rush any title out to beat Hobbit. There's probably another 5-6 Stern releases before that needs to be taken into consideration...
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5 or 6 games that will more than likely be very underwhelming, rushed, waiting on code, full of qc issuses and more than likely 3 price rises for the same old same old. Stern being Stern!
TH is a much more appealing game regardless of when it lands in 2025.
%$%
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And I bet Jack is breathing a sigh of relief this weekend after the so-called "Hobbit killer" photos were released and everyone got their pitchforks out.
Rumour mill update: Ghostbusters to be the early 2016 release and we could even see a Spiderman VE between GoT and Ghostbusters. That would make sense with Stern doing a run of old games around Christmas time each year.
No Jaws ?
Or has this title gone the way of the Muppets ?
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And I bet Jack is breathing a sigh of relief this weekend after the so-called "Hobbit killer" photos were released and everyone got their pitchforks out.
Rumour mill update: Ghostbusters to be the early 2016 release and we could even see a Spiderman VE between GoT and Ghostbusters. That would make sense with Stern doing a run of old games around Christmas time each year.
No Jaws ?
Or has this title gone the way of the Muppets ?
I don't know if Jaws was ever on Stern's radar or just the faithful talking about it on Internet forums hoping Stern would catch on.....I just read Pinside and make notes of the chatter from people that have been right about these things in the past. Ghostbusters was a hot topic today.
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@all those upset at the lack of characters on the playfield
Sterns Star trek also has no character faces on the playfield, this has not harmed the gameplay or the machines popularity
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Iron Maiden I thought was also gathering a lot of momentum to be the next pin from Stern.
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@all those upset at the lack of characters on the playfield
Sterns Star trek also has no character faces on the playfield, this has not harmed the gameplay or the machines popularity
But the Star Trek art worked and the machine looked great.
This GOT is like an attempt at doing a Medi Evil madness but we didn't get any Medi evil, just plain Jane madness. Lol
The vast majority of Internet traffic is saying the SR Game of Thrones is a eye sore.
Will Stern delay release and make big changes, I hope so or this will be a title that does not sell or resell for good coin.
The Premium won't be launched cause they won't easily sell the LE models n the Pro is very plain.
Can't believe SR allowed this one out of the design studio. Fugly .
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I think GOT Pro is copping a lot of flack for early release photos. The LE does look "busy" compared the Pro.
Artwork is underwhelming, but maybe there is scope for more detail ? Anything not "hand drawn" (after KISS / Metallica) was always going to be under heavy scrutiny.
Personally, I'd like more backglass detail on the LE, and John Snow should be featured more on a backglass. There's so much material to draw (literally) into this art package.
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The more people bag this game, the more I want one! I love ugly boat anchors *%*
I personally don't mind it as most pins are too busy and look like the artist threw up on them, look at KISS %$%
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None of sterns games do anything for me when i look at them, but then you all knew that anway. Im still keen to play TWD though...looking at PF layout and making assumptions on game play is a crock of doo da... some of the best games are the simplest. Noone can tell whether a game s a player or not looking at a picture...playing is the only way.
In Sterns defence (please take note all you bashers of supposed Stern bashers), they pump out some 4 or 5 games a year which is a hell of an achievement. If you expect every game to be better than the last then you are ignoring the whole of pinall history. ALL manuacturers have had GREAT games...mediocre games and just plain crap games. At some point there,s a pinnacle that cannot be furthered. Sterns pinnacle will be decided once they close the doors, they may well have reached it with Metallica, or TWD etc...or... they may be yet to make it.
Its a Stern... they have a recipe they stick to that works for them. This is part of that recipe.
KISS has its faults - i like the overall look but the PF drawings of the band are just jacked....looks like a12yr old drew them to me. But KISS fans seem to like it and so its the fans of the game that decide the legacy at the end of the day.
No pinball is worth 8 or 10K in my opinion which is why i dont own a CV despite my desire.
Its a Stern pinball...its just like a Transformers which i cannot stand... LOTR is all open and looks boring but i dont mind the game at all.
Its all in the game play...pretty games often play like shit... ugly games often play like a belter.
At least it doesnt have a picture of Sly Stallone on the header!
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What has happened to the universe? Die hard Stern fans turning on GOT, and Stern bashers coming to GOT's defence! *!@
This event was a prophesy being one of the seven signs of the end of the word! !*!
Yes, gameplay is the most important thing. I still look at Tron and think that it looks like a boring playfield, yet it is a fun playing 'flow' game.
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What has happened to the universe? Die hard Stern fans turning on GOT, and Stern bashers coming to GOT's defence! *!@
This event was a prophesy being one of the seven signs of the end of the word! !*!
Yes, gameplay is the most important thing. I still look at Tron and think that it looks like a boring playfield, yet it is a fun playing 'flow' game.
Ha ha ha..just when you thought the world was in order...
my point really is that its a normal run of the mill Stern game... why anyone expects anything else is beyond me
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Does anyone know what Stern's next title is?
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13651.0
Too soon. :lol
I would have thought Star Wars
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What has happened to the universe? Die hard Stern fans turning on GOT, and Stern bashers coming to GOT's defence! *!@
This event was a prophesy being one of the seven signs of the end of the word! !*!
Yes, gameplay is the most important thing. I still look at Tron and think that it looks like a boring playfield, yet it is a fun playing 'flow' game.
Ha ha ha..just when you thought the world was in order...
my point really is that its a normal run of the mill Stern game... why anyone expects anything else is beyond me
Game is excellent n Stern hits nother home run. Every machine Stern makes is awesume. I cn say this cause SR told me on facebook n he would never lie to his number one facebook friend.
Nyone who says otherwise is just a hater who just cant afford nice things and deffinately duzzent work hard enough like me. LOL.
Haters need to wash there mouth and tounge out with soap or sum other solevant like spray n wipe for speaking such saccraledge against all that is Stern holey.
Go team Stern. Exciting end times ahead.
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Can I have my 3 seconds back after reading the above post. !!@
The ten posts before it weren't dribble and were worth the read.
I did speak to Stern about Game of Thrones and specifically the playfield insert designs and choices.
The concept is that it is a neutral pathway by aprox 12 shots that all lead to different parts of the Rhelm.
The monster or various hero pictures were meaningly left off so that you pick a character on the dot matrix then you shoot various pathways/roads and go on your travels.
So the very different style of playfield art minus any characters was chosen for specific reasons which apparently become clear when you play the game.
Now that it has been explained to me, the layout n insert art n colours make a lot more sense.
So it's made me more interested than I was before it was explained by Stern.
Still not thrilled on translite or cabinet art but I will wait to see n play one in person.
It's good to see most Stern lovers n haters can be very open n honest and give feedback like Gav has which is a good read.
Got to go, I am going to wash n polish another members 140 Ferraris in Melbourne cause he is stuck behind the keyboard n can't do it himself cause his nail polish hasn't dried. Washing 140 Ferraris with nail polish on for our resident illiterate moron and comic Fangio would be n is insanity. Lol &^&
Hope everyone else is well and enjoying life !
P. s - driving a Ferrari and typing big words from a dictionary is not safe or intelligent but is certainly worth ten laughs, just ask insanity. ;)
Back to Game of Thrones.
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Yeah, play the game, THEN judge it
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Yeah, play the game, THEN judge it
where is the fun in that? %$%
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Yeah, play the game, THEN judge it
where is the fun in that? %$%
Supposedly, every one is entitled to an opinion
But I don't understand why some people feel the need to expresstat same opinion dday after day
I think KISS look something a 15yo fanboi would come up with for a school project
But postin my opinion 100 time will not fix the art or layout
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Yeah, play the game, THEN judge it
where is the fun in that? %$%
Supposedly, every one is entitled to an opinion
But I don't understand why some people feel the need to expresstat same opinion dday after day
I think KISS look something a 15yo fanboi would come up with for a school project
But postin my opinion 100 time will not fix the art or layout
There is no doubt that Stern reads forums and reacts when the negative feedback from one of the primary legs of their consumer base reaches critical. Maybe not on the domestic Aussie forums as we just don't have the numbers down here for any sort of global clout, but certainly on places like pinside where the userbase is far more reaching and the US/Euro Stern distributors tend to congregate and take cliff notes.
Does the ACDC Angus face debacle ring a bell? Do you want the flames of hell or Angus' ugly mug staring at you? Pinside spoke and Stern grudgingly reacted.
In cases like this voicing public disapproval can change artwork at least (even if Stern will never admit that is the case).
Any competent business owner doesn't want to surround themselves with lapdogs who spam them with gratuitous emails containing meaningless superlatives and hoping to be thrown some bone of useless inane information in return. They should be wanting critiques instead, so they can improve and build on what as Retropin so aptly described as being just another run of the mill Stern game.
Then again, this is the company that have turned censoring their Facebook page into an art form so obviously lapdoggery is what they want, even if it simply leads to more mediocrity.
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..... turned censoring their Facebook page into an art form ...
So that is where the artistic efforts are going instead? *)*
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What has happened to the universe? Die hard Stern fans turning on GOT, and Stern bashers coming to GOT's defence! *!@
This event was a prophesy being one of the seven signs of the end of the word! !*!
Yes, gameplay is the most important thing. I still look at Tron and think that it looks like a boring playfield, yet it is a fun playing 'flow' game.
Ha ha ha..just when you thought the world was in order...
my point really is that its a normal run of the mill Stern game... why anyone expects anything else is beyond me
Game is excellent n Stern hits nother home run. Every machine Stern makes is awesume. I cn say this cause SR told me on facebook n he would never lie to his number one facebook friend.
Nyone who says otherwise is just a hater who just cant afford nice things and deffinately duzzent work hard enough like me. LOL.
Haters need to wash there mouth and tounge out with soap or sum other solevant like spray n wipe for speaking such saccraledge against all that is Stern holey.
Go team Stern. Exciting end times ahead.
ROFL %.% I think the universe is safe after all.
Tron is a good eg though - I hate it to look at, pixilated printed crap - but it plays great. So maybe GOT will play okay. Definitely can't see many Aussies paying $8k upwards for one given current looks.
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Well. Andypinboy and Pinsanitys last posts I have to agree with.
It's a Guiness World record moment being the first time ever but they are correct.
Stern does need people to professionally critique games.
A hater just bags but a professional critic offers a list of problems then a list of suggested fixes.
I know a lot about pinball but not enough on the critique side of things other than just to say the LE artwork on everything is barely good enough to make it to PRO model level and the current Pro model artwork on everything just isn't good enough to be called satisfactory or up to par.
Personally, I reckon Stern shld scrap both models full artwork n start again.
I think that talented pinball enthusiasts who can use photoshop could send in versions of what they think the Game of Thrones translite a n cabinet art shld look like and we would have a better outcome.
When u sit the last ten titles all side by side and look at the overall packages, they flow well and impress, but at the end of the line we have GOT and it doesn't look like the same company even designed it.
And admittedly, the playfield art is very very hard to get used to cause it instantly makes u scratch your head, well it did in my case.
If Sterns biggest fan (me) thinks the entire GOT packages are no where near visually good enough, then it's hard to see who is going to like it ?
The other thing that sucks the life out of you right now is our terrible Aussie dollar compared to the greenback $.
Just when the world of pinball is ramping right up and there are so many great titles to chose from, our Aussie dollar takes it in the ass big time which is just a real bummer, pardon the pun.
In a perfect world, GOT will get pulled, fully reworked, the Aussie dollar will climb like a missile and we can all enjoy better priced brand new pinball imports. How is JJP and Heighway Pinball going to survive when their cheapest machines are close to $11,500 plus plus.
Surely they won't be able to compete with Stern.
After all the great work Stern did getting a new factory and doing Vault editions n KISS n TWDead plus more runs of Star Trek etc etc, they go and release GOT in a package that begs belief.
Just when I thought things were finally turning same in the pinball industry, it all goes back to the head scratch days.
If anyone hears of any GOT artwork or package changes, I would love to see it get posted on here.
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Well. Andypinboy and Pinsanitys last posts I have to agree with.
It's a Guiness World record moment being the first time ever but they are correct.
Stern does need people to professionally critique games.
A hater just bags but a professional critic offers a list of problems then a list of suggested fixes.
I know a lot about pinball but not enough on the critique side of things other than just to say the LE artwork on everything is barely good enough to make it to PRO model level and the current Pro model artwork on everything just isn't good enough to be called satisfactory or up to par.
Personally, I reckon Stern shld scrap both models full artwork n start again.
I think that talented pinball enthusiasts who can use photoshop could send in versions of what they think the Game of Thrones translite a n cabinet art shld look like and we would have a better outcome.
When u sit the last ten titles all side by side and look at the overall packages, they flow well and impress, but at the end of the line we have GOT and it doesn't look like the same company even designed it.
And admittedly, the playfield art is very very hard to get used to cause it instantly makes u scratch your head, well it did in my case.
If Sterns biggest fan (me) thinks the entire GOT packages are no where near visually good enough, then it's hard to see who is going to like it ?
The other thing that sucks the life out of you right now is our terrible Aussie dollar compared to the greenback $.
Just when the world of pinball is ramping right up and there are so many great titles to chose from, our Aussie dollar takes it in the ass big time which is just a real bummer, pardon the pun.
In a perfect world, GOT will get pulled, fully reworked, the Aussie dollar will climb like a missile and we can all enjoy better priced brand new pinball imports. How is JJP and Heighway Pinball going to survive when their cheapest machines are close to $11,500 plus plus.
Surely they won't be able to compete with Stern.
After all the great work Stern did getting a new factory and doing Vault editions n KISS n TWDead plus more runs of Star Trek etc etc, they go and release GOT in a package that begs belief.
Just when I thought things were finally turning same in the pinball industry, it all goes back to the head scratch days.
If anyone hears of any GOT artwork or package changes, I would love to see it get posted on here.
As Stern put out titles at lightning speed, I'm not sure that artwork changes at this late stage could be possible? Strange that we haven't seen any photos of physical photos yet, so who knows how Stern can address this? My guess is soldier on and ignore criticism on this particular title. They seem to throw in hand drawn art to appease the masses every so often and then go back to business as usual.
At the end of the day, in 12 months time the gameplay will probably be a hit and people will overlook the artwork. Looking back at their games over the past 15 years, it's not like they haven't released a dodgy looking art package before.
In regards to pricing, it will want to be a title that knocks it out of the park for me to buy new in box at the moment. Maybe Stern will need to start having region specific pricing like the auto industry for their distributors?
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delarge is spot n. ^^^
Going nto left field here but ny competent business person should know that Stern won't be able to just scrap all the artwork n start again as they will be bound by the contractual terms n stipulations as set by HBO the licensor regarding artwork approval.
If nything a resubmission of artwork to HBO from Stern's existing design team will simply slow down Stern's production process to what they have already advertised n nternational n domestic shipping timetable.
Vica versa it begs belief to the suggestion that the general public nstead submit their own artwork versions to Stern as n alternative just doesn't make practical business sense either for a company that has a planned release schedule set out months n advance and it will simply fill up their email nboxes with even more irrelevant correspondence than what they currently get.
Regarding pricing, perhaps they could price machines n a currency that has a bit more clout than our current Aussie dollar has say the Vietnameese dong? *)*
At least that way the US will no longer be the cowboy at the bar walking around like a rooster.
Food n malapropisms for thought.
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Stern just did a Facebook press release saying that they have now included a Iron Throne on the Pro because of customer complaints that it wasn't included and it should have been so the identical one from the LE now will also be on the Pro.
It makes sense to halt a release and redo or modify artwork and capture a lot more sales than to be on time and sell only small numbers.
If Stern does release ontime with the current LE and Pro, it wouldn't surprise me if the Premium comes out quicker than later and the Pro and LE start coming out with extras and some changes.
Just like the auto industry, if the first release of a new model fails to impress, you quickly see Series 2 models come out with multiple changes and extras and price cuts.
Stern are copping more complaints/requested changes on Game of Thrones I am told by the USA than any previous model for many years.
The addition of the Iron Throne to the Pro I think will be the first of several additions and changes.
I also predict an alternate translite for both the Pro and LE.
I also predict vastly better and different cabinet artwork for the Premium.
Stern may well end up selling n pushing the Premium model with more success than the Pro and perhaps the LE May get a run of say 350 upfront instead of the full 700 so Stern aren't caught with excess LE stock. 700 LE may be the max number for LE, but it doesn't mean the full run will get done before they build some Pro and Premium.
Just hard to imagine this title getting Sold out quickly cause the public at this stage doesn't seem to be rushing in or hyped up like recent titles.
I may well be totally wrong, but I haven't seen Stern start adding key features like the Iron throne to a model so fast after such a short time and openly say they have listened to customer feedback.
It is great they have listened and acted so fast.
Let's see what else they add n change on the LE and Pro.
People are becoming very picky these days with BNIB and people are always asking for more n more for their money.
As for people sending in artwork ideas to Stern, it costs Stern nothing to read n look at email ideas and HBO also has a vested interest in promoting their licence and product. HBO would jump at modifications without any worries if they thought a restyled or better/improved package would be more successful.
Flexibility in business and acting quickly on customer feedback and demand is what makes for a profitable licence/product. I can't see Stern or HBO being stuck on any version.
A lot of the story for the TV series GOT is chosen from die hard fan send ins I would think.
The public usually gets what the public asks for in this commercial social media savy era.
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good that they are doing something but disagree in your comment - that people are being picky and asking for more for their money. Look at the Kiss Pro compared to the GoT pro, huge difference and think they took too much out. How can a Kiss pro have almost everything that a LE does less a few things that don't greatly change the game play / layout compared to GoT where a second playfield, castle walls etc and taken away - huge difference. Yes they are trying to force Premium and LE sales but with the world dollar that isn't going to happen and reckon the LE will take a while to sell out. You know when a game is a hit as when the LE's sell in a few days. I think people are simply stating "we would buy it if it was better in a few ways" so even though it could of been a great seller Stern have been taught that game title alone won't sell a crap load of games, Stern have to still maintain a high level of quality and design with every game. So we have hit a point of people are talking with their wallets and being keyboard cammando's.
The recent C2C thread where Terissa was asked what she thought of the game was interesting as she is a fan of pinball, read almost all the GoT books and watched every show episode and she was not a fan of this game and reckons they got the feel all wrong. Just look at the gears, as only used mainly in the intro that isn't really a focus of the show and it's characters yet there must be over 50 of the buggers on there.
Also the dollar difference is killing sales and even Canada which is only a border away from the US is asking $12k for a LE - think the bubble might be at it's limit. Will be interesting at the end of the week as it is predicted that the US will raise interest rates - I don't know enough about economics but sure this will have some effect on currency's and possibly Stern's pricing... maybe the new Iron Chair will mean a price rise....
here are 2 renderings of the proposed improvement - fills a empty void I guess and back panel has changed as well
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swinks is spot n. ^^^
Nything Stern adds to the machine from this point n to nhance the perception of it will just be window dressing with no real effect on the machine itself.
You can't polish n 12k turd n Stern just rn't savy enough at this point to stop the sunami n save this debacle apart from deleting ngative facebook posts.
Nly illiterate Stern fanbois r going to fall for this kind of spin doctoring.
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Is Stern trying to keep the price of Pro models down, and expecting them to be location only pins? Thought from a earnings perspective it makes sense, there is an impact or resale value, but if a machine is operated for 10 years, resale would not be an issue.
Is the Pro an attempt to remain cost competitive with a soon to be released Homepin (Hankin?) machines?
...I'm really curious to see what Sterns next machine is like, to see if they again release a very cut down Pro.
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on Pinside they were saying that designers like John Borg designs a pro and then adds features for a LE so tends to be a fairly full game and Steve Ritchie tends to design a LE and strip it back - in this case stripping out the playfield turns this game into a whole different game - would of preferred taking out the ram, some lighting features and some inserts.
Also they were saying on the C2C podcast that the rules and gameplay is a little different as it is believed that you use collected gold coins to upgrade weapons and possibly cause more damage / more points / game progression hence the apron button on all 3 game levels - cool new innovative feature
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Stern machines make so little return n most sites that resale does become a problem even if they sit n location for 10 years cause their build quality n QC issues doesn't lead to them staying n a playable condition.
Of course, this doesn't take nto account sites like Time Zone Gold Coast where I personally witnessed n ACDC get played n at least 12,000 times per week, yet management for some reason didn't have the acumen to buy n site nother machine to alleviate what would have been from opening to closing time n constant line of players waiting for a game with n average game time of ~30 seconds.
Or maybe as the name implies they live n some sort of alternate reality where the owners control time itself for their own benefit. Much like a temporal causality loop acts n Star Trek n you condemn someone to experiencing the same self-indulgent shite ad nauseum.
A real head scratcher that one..... !@#
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What you lose in accuracy Pinsanity, you make up for it with wit at least.
Certainly entertaining although mostly not factual.
I enjoy all the Star Trek tie ins. That was clever.
Sometimes I get confused if you are constantly describing yourself in your posts or the other member. Lol
Also, only the people who actually site pinball machines really know what returns the Sterns bring in.
Stating they don't make profits is not factual.
Also, most of us know that if you buy a BNIB Stern for 8 grand, selling it a week later or a year later or 5 years later if the machine is in good condition will bring you 5 plus grand second hand cause most machines hold a pretty good resale value if they appear like new. So if the machine earns 3 grand over a 2 year period the person siting has broken even. Anything over that is profit.
Even taking into consideration profit sharing from sited income, people siting machines are not going to buy Stern title after Stern title and site them unless they can make a profit.
There are operators who have been operating pinballs for many many years. It is hard to believe they keep investing big dollars into machinery that is not making them a profitable return.
The comment about a John Borg designed Stern is spot on.
He is the best of the best and has been in my opinion for a very very longtime.
I just think Gane of Thrones maybe got rushed a little to kill JJP Hobbitt sales.
I don't think SRitchie has lost his magic.
GOT is certainly a different way of doing things.
Maybe some pinball collectors will like and warm to very different versus traditional and safely predictable.
It's early days for GOT. Will be interesting to see how this one pans out.
Even the Stern die hard fans in some of us can't like every title in a row.
This is the first one in a long time I haven't liked straight away.
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Its a tough call to release a title like KISS which quite rightly has been very well received and then follow up with a game that looks like its had the guts ripped out of it.
Seems to me that Stern haven't found that balance yet that gives the appearance of bang for buck... a little less on Kiss and a little more on GOT would have the punters knowing just what you can expect from a Stern release.
Buyers would like to see a game like KISS or Metallica released each time.. and quite rightly so. Stern would like to release a bare bones game for top dollar every time.. and that's business.
All in all... the games pretty much sell themselves. Get the package wrong and its an RS or BBH every time
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Most ops are left with little choice n have to upgrade to the latest machine regardless of the small amount n takings they make from an actual sited machine.
This is cause most Sterns tend to revolve around a flavour of the month TV show or whatever is about to be released as a movie n the following 6 months and as such will tend to be forgotten about after the hype train has left the station. Nyone for Sopranos?
N that case the machine will make next to nothing n site due to lack of recognition so the ops best bet after writing the machine off the depeciation schedule is to flip it for a fraction of what they paid for it n put that towards the next fly by night machine from Stern. At least that way a current machine might make a bit of coin n the initial days of siting from piggybacking off secondary hype alone after which it drops off to virtually nothing.
It's a life cycle that Stern has mastered due to producing largely forgettable and generally mediocre titles based on flash n the pan themes.
Ops n general mostly pull in less than $50 per week per machine. Split that with the site owner, add n labour maintenance costs n upkeep (most don't bother given the small returns) and it would take years for even a Stern Pro machine to pay for itself n that fact alone.
That's why they get written down through depreciation n sold off. Or they are kept virtually abandoned onsite n basically left to fall apart from lack of maintenance - which in Stern's case won't take all that long.
If the machines actually made profits on their own merits they wouldn't be sold off for second hand to partially recoup the purchase loss n the first place.
Retropin is spot n - these machines should be selling themselves as they cn get a free ride on the hype train from companies who have budgets that far outstrip Sterns, yet the hit/miss ratio just keeps getting wider and not for the better.
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Fair points.
Pinball machines are now used to attract people to a business with a bar or cafe or food etc.
by themselves they wouldn't be hugely profitable unless you had a very lucky site and organised a big weekly comp with a $20 buy in with fifty people a week with some of the $1,000 income going to trophies etc etc.
that's where social media will make siting pins profitable.
Don't be so hard on Stern. They are working their asses off and have kept pinball alive not to mention are investing big with new factories and so on.
The day I see some members finally declare they bought a BNIB Stern and they are stoked, it will make my day.
Even Nino has been converted to the good side of the Force. Lol
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Social media is full of illiterate morons who spend their days bitching about their own failures as husbands n fathers to others n the same boat. I wouldn't want to ncourage those personality types to nvolve themselves nto the competitive pinball world as they would most likely infect the place with their retarded outlook n life.
Speaking of which, ny ndividual who makes demands that Stern pull all the artwork n start again are also ngaging in retarded cowardly behaviour n my mind. I would like to see these bloated turd ndividuals walk nto Stern's business n make these types of demands n have the staff there give the bloated turd a beating to within n inch of their life or at least get their head caved in.
I would happily njoy watching such n event n cheer it on as the bloated turd got the crap kicked out of them for their retarded cowardly behaviour artwork demands on Stern. I might even bring along my "Gloch" n let off a few rounds to celebrate while it happens.
I know a lot about pinball n I know even more about being self-effacing so I cn say this with confidence.
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Social media is full of illiterate morons who spend their days bitching about their own failures as husbands n fathers to others n the same boat. I wouldn't want to ncourage those personality types to nvolve themselves nto the competitive pinball world as they would most likely infect the place with their retarded outlook n life.
Speaking of which, ny ndividual who makes demands that Stern pull all the artwork n start again are also ngaging in retarded cowardly behaviour n my mind. I would like to see these bloated turd ndividuals walk nto Stern's business n make these types of demands n have the staff there give the bloated turd a beating to within n inch of their life or at least get their head caved in.
I would happily njoy watching such n event n cheer it on as the bloated turd got the crap kicked out of them for their retarded cowardly behaviour artwork demands on Stern. I might even bring along my "Gloch" n let off a few rounds to celebrate while it happens.
I know a lot about pinball n I know even more about being self-effacing so I cn say this with confidence.
am I able to buy a vowel? @.@
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am I able to buy a vowel? @.@
There's a shortage of vowels, but plenty of "n"s for no apparent reason etc etc etc. :lol
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Social media is full of illiterate morons who spend their days bitching about their own failures as husbands n fathers to others n the same boat. I wouldn't want to ncourage those personality types to nvolve themselves nto the competitive pinball world as they would most likely infect the place with their retarded outlook n life.
Speaking of which, ny ndividual who makes demands that Stern pull all the artwork n start again are also ngaging in retarded cowardly behaviour n my mind. I would like to see these bloated turd ndividuals walk nto Stern's business n make these types of demands n have the staff there give the bloated turd a beating to within n inch of their life or at least get their head caved in.
I would happily njoy watching such n event n cheer it on as the bloated turd got the crap kicked out of them for their retarded cowardly behaviour artwork demands on Stern. I might even bring along my "Gloch" n let off a few rounds to celebrate while it happens.
I know a lot about pinball n I know even more about being self-effacing so I cn say this with confidence.
Was that post supposed to impress anyone.
What a nasty little man you are.
Stick to pinball versus talking shit repeatedly.
How old are you ? 14 ? Pffftttt.
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Social media is full of illiterate morons who spend their days bitching about their own failures as husbands n fathers to others n the same boat. I wouldn't want to ncourage those personality types to nvolve themselves nto the competitive pinball world as they would most likely infect the place with their retarded outlook n life.
Speaking of which, ny ndividual who makes demands that Stern pull all the artwork n start again are also ngaging in retarded cowardly behaviour n my mind. I would like to see these bloated turd ndividuals walk nto Stern's business n make these types of demands n have the staff there give the bloated turd a beating to within n inch of their life or at least get their head caved in.
I would happily njoy watching such n event n cheer it on as the bloated turd got the crap kicked out of them for their retarded cowardly behaviour artwork demands on Stern. I might even bring along my "Gloch" n let off a few rounds to celebrate while it happens.
I know a lot about pinball n I know even more about being self-effacing so I cn say this with confidence.
Fark this had me laughing hard!
Coffee all over the keyboard.
^^^
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OK guys, enough please. ^.^
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Pros starting to look alot better with more detailed and close up pics :) apparently the dragons wings flap! Nice. Looks to be some nice shots and great flow typical of Steve Richie
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Thanks for the pics G1. Does look a tad better. It still seems to have a long / open (boring?) foreground - long shots before you hit anything. Probably means steep ramps - will certainly be interesting.
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Thanks for the pics G1. Does look a tad better. It still seems to have a long / open (boring?) foreground - long shots before you hit anything. Probably means steep ramps - will certainly be interesting.
Yeah agree there filling up the gaps lol no where near the premium/LE but looking abit more promising.
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http://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip
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one video link
http://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip/v/18246015
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Geez that dude talking constantly through the video is annoying-looks ok just wish the dragon moved abit more.
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Geez that dude talking constantly through the video is annoying-looks ok just wish the dragon moved abit more.
pretty sure that is Jody Dankerberg
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Geez that dude talking constantly through the video is annoying-looks ok just wish the dragon moved abit more.
+1.
I'm jumping through the vidcast at random trying to find a spot where they actually shut up for more than 30 seconds so we can hear a decent sample of the game audio with no irrelevant commentary drowning it out.
The fact that Stern's marketing manager is right there urging him on to keep talking drivel doesn't help.
Seriously you nobs are there to sell the pin, not yourselves!
pretty sure that is Jody Dankerberg
The fact that he has chosen to structure a two hour vidcast talking about random garbage over the top of their latest offering rather than talking about the features and benefits of the game itself (Marketing 101) speaks volumes.
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Geez that dude talking constantly through the video is annoying-looks ok just wish the dragon moved abit more.
+1.
I'm jumping through the vidcast at random trying to find a spot where they actually shut up for more than 30 seconds so we can hear a decent sample of the game audio with no irrelevant commentary drowning it out.
The fact that Stern's marketing manager is right there urging him on to keep talking drivel doesn't help.
Seriously you nobs you are there to sell the pin, not yourselves!
pretty sure that is Jody Dankerberg
The fact that he has chosen to structure a two hour vidcast talking about random garbage over the top of their latest offering rather than talking about the features and benefits of the game itself (Marketing 101) speaks volumes.
yes not a fan of Jody, and not a smart move on Stern's behalf when the game has already copped so much negativity - you got to wonder what Steve Ritchie was thinking at some of those times when Jody was carrying on, even live twitch watchers were saying to shut up.....
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My initial dislike of this title is changing slowly.
Had some High definition photos sent to me from the USA and the game looked 5 times better than the low res photos floating around on Stern and various social media sites.
It's good Stern are happily taking on board feedback and are making some changes.
Apparently the Premium is going to be very different again but shld be more attractive.
The high res photos I got of the LE game and it's back glass were amazing. You could really see the detail.
The translite on the Pro was good as well but the content was still a bit boring.
The content on the Pro,s artwork just seemed rushed.
Can't wait to see this title in person.
Thanks for sharing the various links above guys.
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My initial dislike of this title is changing slowly.
Had some High definition photos sent to me from the USA and the game looked 5 times better than the low res photos floating around on Stern and various social media sites.
It's good Stern are happily taking on board feedback and are making some changes.
Apparently the Premium is going to be very different again but shld be more attractive.
The high res photos I got of the LE game and it's back glass were amazing. You could really see the detail.
The translite on the Pro was good as well but the content was still a bit boring.
The content on the Pro,s artwork just seemed rushed.
Can't wait to see this title in person.
Thanks for sharing the various links above guys.
Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
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Ironman was said to play like an EM when it came out. Years later it became a vault edition. Maybe we got it wrong here? !@)
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Honestly will have to wait for a prem to be announced 1st before making a comitment, So far the pro looks Avg IMO
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Honestly will have to wait for a prem to be announced 1st before making a comitment, So far the pro looks Avg IMO
It looks damn easy to play, that's for sure... it looks ridiculously easy to backhand those ramps.
I doubt it will stand up to decent players, I am confident a decent player or better will tear this game apart.
I predict some huge scores and long ball times on this plank when it lands.
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I'll never get back that 2 minutes of rubbish. Hopefully Stern remove that crap. That's how you "don't sell pinball". Particularly embarrassing that the player was carrying on a conversation about being Jewish with the other moron, while not looking at the playfield.
Very bad publicity.
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the file size seems to big to upload the photos so I am unsure how to get past that.
However, only some of the photos are on Facebook and really have to be viewed on a large desktop to see the clarity and great size cause a normal size or even bigger I.phone screen doesn't do the game justice.
It wasn't til I revisited all the photos on a proper computer screen that I really changed my mind about most of the artwork. The original photos of GOT were just low res and crappy. It's still a very unusual playfield art wise to get your head around but it is growing on me.
Just have to see this game in person now cause it will probably be sooo much better than the photos.
Unusual that we are not seeing the Stern colour brochure yet for the LE and Pro, unless I have missed them.
Anyone seen or got a link to Stern game colour sales brochures. ?
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haven't seen a brochure but I think that Stern may have gone from bad to worse having Jody talking crap as in the US so many people can't believe the way he acted
many people comparing it to a worse than stripped down IM, as at least IM has some magnets, spinners,kickback and a pop up bash toy - GOT just has some targets a physical ball lock that doesn't greatly change the gameplay and a lockdown button for buying gold which could be a nice new game feature.
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swinks is spot on.
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
Yeah, I was a bit put out that I didn't get a reply. I thought it was these kind of things an AP member would love to share on the forum, but I also understand if Stern has just released the pics to a few close fans under a confidentiality agreement.
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
Yeah, I was a bit put out that I didn't get a reply. I thought it was these kind of things an AP member would love to share on the forum, but I also understand if Stern has just released the pics to a few close fans under a confidentiality agreement.
Probably for the best as most likely our monitors just aren't up to some arbitrary standard to view the HD awesomeness of the pics themselves as well and thus we wouldn't get a proper feel as to the true quality of the machine itself.
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
Dear Smartass Snide Mouth Pinsanity,
If you look at the time of my reply post it was 3.38am in the morning, the middle of my nights sleep.
I quickly tried to upload the photos I have from my outlook account to the forum but the file size was to big.
Accordingly, I was not going to spend an hour getting into my photo bucket and spend an hour in the middle of my night to upload photos.
I went back to bed and thought I would do the upload tomorrow when I had more time which is why I logged in now.
But after reading the usual slimy and cowardly snide remarks, why would I now bother wasting my time.
No one else bothers with you Pinsanity cause you are a smart mouth slime ball.
Upload your own photos turd.
You have been flushed and diverted down my S bend ! !!@
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
Yeah, I was a bit put out that I didn't get a reply. I thought it was these kind of things an AP member would love to share on the forum, but I also understand if Stern has just released the pics to a few close fans under a confidentiality agreement.
Mate, if u can read simple English, you got a reply which said the file size was too big and I wasn't sure how to get around that ! The reply you did get, that u say u didn't get was posted in English at 3.38am !
Even though in the past, 4 to 6 months ago, you have called me a serial killer and Ivan Milat, which was inexcusable, I still paid u the respect of reading your post and replying to your post.
Don't follow Pinsanitys lead. The child is a complete idiot pretending to be an Oxford dictionary and continues to fail and wet his nappies in public.
On here we are a community of members, not children who stick the knife in like nappy wetting Pinsanity.
The keyboard commando isn't all there mate.
He is a chapter short, a day late and not a Oxford Scholar like he pretends to be.
Pinsanity in the dictionary of life means Clown.
Don't join his circus or should I say , Game of Thrones/Potties ! %.%
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For those who are interested, on Facebook last night, a Pinside member posted and sent copies to Steve Ritchie and Stern, a excellent photo and rendering of a complete cabinet and translite done in a Black Edition style for Game of Thrones.
As mentioned earlier, some people just aren't fussed over the Pro cabinet and translite art so someone has suggested that Stern and HBO do a Premium in the suggested artwork because that particular member thought it might get Stern and HBO more sales of this title.
I remember last week being told that only a fool would suggest that an art redo would be a good business idea for Stern to re look at.
Stern is looking seriously at the suggested artwork.
Seems some people just have a nack for coming up with new ideas and artwork feedback that is constructive.
Has anyone else seen the Black Edition style artwork on FB I have mentioned.
It does look excellent. The Pinside member has a lot of talent.
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For those who are interested, on Facebook last night, a Pinside member posted and sent copies to Steve Ritchie and Stern, a excellent photo and rendering of a complete cabinet and translite done in a Black Edition style for Game of Thrones.
As mentioned earlier, some people just aren't fussed over the Pro cabinet and translite art so someone has suggested that Stern and HBO do a Premium in the suggested artwork because that particular member thought it might get Stern and HBO more sales of this title.
I remember last week being told that only a fool would suggest that an art redo would be a good business idea for Stern to re look at.
Stern is looking seriously at the suggested artwork.
Seems some people just have a nack for coming up with new ideas and artwork feedback that is constructive.
Has anyone else seen the Black Edition style artwork on FB I have mentioned.
It does look excellent. The Pinside member has a lot of talent.
the guy posted on pinside that SR said it ain't gonna happen....
have seen it and does look better a shame they won't do it for the playfield as well as add more features to the pro
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Wow. I like this art!
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here is the Premium cab, trans and playfield art
The playfield has changed in which they scrapped the lazy major shield art. Not sure now what happens with LE's and Pro's but if the pro doesn't change then will be a very different game in many ways. Will be interesting if the guys in on LE's want to bail and get a Premium instead.
At least comments from different forums have impacted them to change the art
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LE and Premium comparison - Premium does look better and the castle blends in a little better.
still has a crap load of gears - counted 94 on a Pro
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Premium looks much better. I'm glad Stern are listening to pinheads. Early indications were that collectors and operators were not placing orders due to the bland artwork package.
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Cavey, any chance of sharing the pics, or is Stern still keeping them under wraps?
Now you can see why no one else bothers to ask, mate. *%*
Anyway crisis deflected and topic diverted onto the sales brochures.....
Yeah, I was a bit put out that I didn't get a reply. I thought it was these kind of things an AP member would love to share on the forum, but I also understand if Stern has just released the pics to a few close fans under a confidentiality agreement.
Mate, if u can read simple English, you got a reply which said the file size was too big and I wasn't sure how to get around that ! The reply you did get, that u say u didn't get was posted in English at 3.38am !
Even though in the past, 4 to 6 months ago, you have called me a serial killer and Ivan Milat, which was inexcusable, I still paid u the respect of reading your post and replying to your post.
Don't follow Pinsanitys lead. The child is a complete idiot pretending to be an Oxford dictionary and continues to fail and wet his nappies in public.
On here we are a community of members, not children who stick the knife in like nappy wetting Pinsanity.
The keyboard commando isn't all there mate.
He is a chapter short, a day late and not a Oxford Scholar like he pretends to be.
Pinsanity in the dictionary of life means Clown.
Don't join his circus or should I say , Game of Thrones/Potties ! %.%
Sorry, I missed your reply as I expected some huge pics & when they weren't there I assumed Stern had asked you to keep them under wraps. My mistake. Please let's not dwell in the past, but for the record I did not call you "a serial killer & Ivan Milat". Just try to be nice - a good thing to think about is that you attract more flies with honey than vinegar.
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Gotta say it is starting to look better. Agree with Swinks just based on these pics - the prem looks nicer than the le.
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Mate, if u can read simple English, you got a reply which said the file size was too big and I wasn't sure how to get around that ! The reply you did get, that u say u didn't get was posted in English at 3.38am !
Even though in the past, 4 to 6 months ago, you have called me a serial killer and Ivan Milat, which was inexcusable, I still paid u the respect of reading your post and replying to your post.
Don't follow Pinsanitys lead. The child is a complete idiot pretending to be an Oxford dictionary and continues to fail and wet his nappies in public.
On here we are a community of members, not children who stick the knife in like nappy wetting Pinsanity.
The keyboard commando isn't all there mate.
He is a chapter short, a day late and not a Oxford Scholar like he pretends to be.
Pinsanity in the dictionary of life means Clown.
Don't join his circus or should I say , Game of Thrones/Potties ! %.%
Yes, because ranting about children is the true mark of a mentally stable individual. It seems the info that ***** divulged to me about you was accurate after all.
Maybe it's time you took your own advice, bloaty and went and hugged a counsellor as it seems your personal failures in real life are constantly bubbling over and infecting internet forums and affecting your mental stability to an even worse situation.
Otherwise you just come off sounding like John Wayne Gacy's doppelganger with a cross of Joh Bjelke-Petersen and Forrest Gump thrown in for good measure.
It doesn't matter how many 3AM midweek posts you make, bloaty since no normal person is EVER going to respect a deranged peanut like you - either online or in real life.
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
And how did that work out for you, PBP? Cupcake? Snickers Bar? Essentially every member's freedom to express a reasonable opinion continues to be constantly suppressed by a self appointed completely unqualified forum sheriff through the use of personal abuse (unless said opinion is deemed compatible with his own limited and parochial viewpoint).
Moral high ground doesn't work either with these personality types, PBP. You should know that. As you can see with mentally deranged individuals like this, simply posting an opinion that differs from theirs without even quoting their post is enough to trigger a bizarre rambling sociopathic rant.
Stand your ground, defend your position and retaliate when other more civilised options have been exhausted. I reported the posts above and asked for them to be removed - nothing was done hence the retaliation.
Let's face it PBP, the individual in questions life basically revolves entirely around this forum, inane Facebook posts lamenting his personal failures by blaming others, hero worshipping the perceived infallibility of Stern and virtually nothing else because he has completely f u c ked up every other aspect of his real life. Whilst that does allow some leeway and possibly even garner sympathy it doesn't extend to having mutiple forum members being subjected to constant abuse simply because said members can and do have differing opinions on various subject matter.
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why would I look at his facebook postings?
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why would I look at his facebook postings?
PBP, if you want to play the enigmatic game, that is your prerogative but the fact remains that the individual in question has absolutely no level of respect for anyone on this forum unless they act servile towards his viewpoint.
Anyone who doesn't is abused or insulted - that includes you, me, Retropin, andypinboy and Strangeways just to name a few.
There really isn't much left to say on the matter though I am sure there will be the usual rant appearing overnight typically in the early hours between midnight and 4AM. Good thing I won't be around to waste my time reading it. %.%
Have a good long weekend anyway.... ^^^
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Ive heard of sleep walking, sleep eating and sleep talking... but sleep posting?
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
+1
As moderators, our job is normally really easy. Members report posts, we see both sides and we respond accordingly.
But when members return fire, thus inflaming the situation, THEN report the thread, then there is not much point in us moderating other than to remove the post and ban ALL the participants ^&^
It is not a topic for discussion, but do any of you read you comments before you post ? Do any of you think that this childish behavior promotes THIS site or the hobby ? What would NEWBIES think if they wanted to read up on the game and they have to read the constant bickering ?
Find the IGNORE button. Move on..
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
+1
As moderators, our job is normally really easy. Members report posts, we see both sides and we respond accordingly.
But when members return fire, thus inflaming the situation, THEN report the thread, then there is not much point in us moderating other than to remove the post and ban ALL the participants ^&^
It is not a topic for discussion, but do any of you read you comments before you post ? Do any of you think that this childish behavior promotes THIS site or the hobby ? What would NEWBIES think if they wanted to read up on the game and they have to read the constant bickering ?
Find the IGNORE button. Move on..
Well said, I agree completely.
Sometimes people write things not realising that it can be interpreted the wrong way but when it is clearly deliberate attacking then ALL posts should be removed and members suspended so that the carry on cannot continue.
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
And how did that work out for you, PBP? Cupcake? Snickers Bar? Essentially every member's freedom to express a reasonable opinion continues to be constantly suppressed by a self appointed completely unqualified forum sheriff through the use of personal abuse (unless said opinion is deemed compatible with his own limited and parochial viewpoint).
Moral high ground doesn't work either with these personality types, PBP. You should know that. As you can see with mentally deranged individuals like this, simply posting an opinion that differs from theirs without even quoting their post is enough to trigger a bizarre rambling sociopathic rant.
Stand your ground, defend your position and retaliate when other more civilised options have been exhausted. I reported the posts above and asked for them to be removed - nothing was done hence the retaliation.
Let's face it PBP, the individual in questions life basically revolves entirely around this forum, inane Facebook posts lamenting his personal failures by blaming others, hero worshipping the perceived infallibility of Stern and virtually nothing else because he has completely f u c ked up every other aspect of his real life. Whilst that does allow some leeway and possibly even garner sympathy it doesn't extend to having mutiple forum members being subjected to constant abuse simply because said members can and do have differing opinions on various subject matter.
That's incorrect. You reported two posts (or the same post twice), without any comments included - it is BLANK. You DID NOT ask for any action, and furthermore, we don't follow member "instructions" without checking the facts. Here is the "copy and paste" of your reports - both had NO COMMENT included ;
Start ;
The following post, "Re: Stern Announces - Game Of Thrones" by (member name) has been reported by pinsanity on a board you moderate:
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=14124.msg180515#msg180515
The reporter has made the following comment:
Regards,
The The Aussie Pinball Arcade Team.
End
Please cease making incorrect comments and judgements on the site Mods.
The next post or thread that continues this pattern of behavior will be a permanent ban - from either side of the fence. Mods will be keeping a close eye on this and be enforcing site rules.
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Never watched the show and have no interest in this title, but the premium looks HEAPS better.
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Yep also never seen the series, Prem looks a ton better, wait & see how the game plays & any QC issues, With the prem ongoing production happy to wait it out
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You know there is an "ignore" button, don't you?
And how did that work out for you, PBP? Cupcake? Snickers Bar? Essentially every member's freedom to express a reasonable opinion continues to be constantly suppressed by a self appointed completely unqualified forum sheriff through the use of personal abuse (unless said opinion is deemed compatible with his own limited and parochial viewpoint).
Moral high ground doesn't work either with these personality types, PBP. You should know that. As you can see with mentally deranged individuals like this, simply posting an opinion that differs from theirs without even quoting their post is enough to trigger a bizarre rambling sociopathic rant.
Stand your ground, defend your position and retaliate when other more civilised options have been exhausted. I reported the posts above and asked for them to be removed - nothing was done hence the retaliation.
Let's face it PBP, the individual in questions life basically revolves entirely around this forum, inane Facebook posts lamenting his personal failures by blaming others, hero worshipping the perceived infallibility of Stern and virtually nothing else because he has completely f u c ked up every other aspect of his real life. Whilst that does allow some leeway and possibly even garner sympathy it doesn't extend to having mutiple forum members being subjected to constant abuse simply because said members can and do have differing opinions on various subject matter.
That's incorrect. You reported two posts (or the same post twice), without any comments included - it is BLANK. You DID NOT ask for any action, and furthermore, we don't follow member "instructions" without checking the facts. Here is the "copy and paste" of your reports - both had NO COMMENT included ;
Start ;
The following post, "Re: Stern Announces - Game Of Thrones" by (member name) has been reported by pinsanity on a board you moderate:
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=14124.msg180515#msg180515
The reporter has made the following comment:
Regards,
The The Aussie Pinball Arcade Team.
End
Please cease making incorrect comments and judgements on the site Mods.
The next post or thread that continues this pattern of behavior will be a permanent ban - from either side of the fence. Mods will be keeping a close eye on this and be enforcing site rules.
i just want every one to play nice. You don't like a comment or view point, keep it to yourself
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Premium looks much better. I'm glad Stern are listening to pinheads. Early indications were that collectors and operators were not placing orders due to the bland artwork package.
I've just picked up that the Premium has a different colour playfield. I don't think Stern have ever had different colour schemes on play fields across Pro/Premium/LE. Yes, undoubtedly Stern have done this in response to player and operator feedback.
I agree that that Premium playfield and cabinet artwork looks better than LE and Pro. It backs my first impression in seeing Tron, that deep blue is the best looking colour on a pinball machine. What would you think of Tron if it were mostly yellow?
The deep blue on GOT Premium makes for an easy assessment of the affect that deep blue has. GOT playfield artwork should be yellow to suit the sandy terrain that it is trying to depict, but even though deep blue makes no sense (deep blue stone wall above the flippers - it should be yellow 'sandstone' colour), though it's wrong but looks much better than the yellow.
...When you need a quick fix to pinball artwork, make it deep blue! ^^^
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Stern has released a video on FB of their interactive GOT topper.
It is a dragon flapping its wings accompanied by dragon audio of dragon noises and wing flapping noises plus the coloured lights.
It's the best topper I have ever seen.
Not sure if it's on the Stern website yet but it's on the FB Stern postings.
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Brett, it is the epic topper of epicness. Best topper you have ever seen? I have to agree with you there. It is gaudy, loud and in your face.....and I love it!
I'm starting to warm to this game. Looking forward to playing one on site.
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noticed that the LE now has chain mesh in the shield location but still the desert look
would if they will do themselves a favour and make the pro chain mesh shield.
as for the topper, really think it is a bit over the top and will probably $500 USD so $700-$750 AUD, cash grab
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a few interesting photos
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The other toppers are selling for USA $399 and sometimes 10 percent off.
AMD would have to supply a landed price if shipped with or without your game.
The toppers are awesome but. I think on the long run the Walking Dead plus KISS plus GOT toppers will be sought after.
Those photos are interesting. Shows pre any work at all those playfields.
Stern has always something new going on.
Good pick up Swinksy.
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That topper... bloody hell, what did I just see?
Could open a deli with that amount of cheese...
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That topper... bloody hell, what did I just see?
Could open a deli with that amount of cheese...
I love my cheese. Literal and non-literal. I also loves me a pinball topper.
It's gonna give that Fish Tales topper a run for its money.
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Fugly!
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Everyone loves a flying fire breathing dragon.
I was amazed Stern put so much effort into having the topper to start with then they made it a mechanically moving one.
It seems that most titles are scoring great toppers.
The GOT machine was well received at the Pinball Expo just held and the feedback is that the machine and topper in person is awesome.
I am assuming the topper can be added to any GOT model ?
May have to ask AMD or Stern about this.
Stern is still doing great discounted prices across its Stern shop stock. Lots of great stuff to buy at good prices. Xmas is coming soon. Buy yourself a present.
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Everyone loves a flying fire breathing dragon.
I was amazed Stern put so much effort into having the topper to start with then they made it a mechanically moving one.
It seems that most titles are scoring great toppers.
The GOT machine was well received at the Pinball Expo just held and the feedback is that the machine and topper in person is awesome.
I am assuming the topper can be added to any GOT model ?
May have to ask AMD or Stern about this.
Stern is still doing great discounted prices across its Stern shop stock. Lots of great stuff to buy at good prices. Xmas is coming soon. Buy yourself a present.
Santa says I have not been good enough to deserve a $10000+ toy
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apparently the topper works with all models, but they are predicting $100 price rise in the US over the kiss topper due to moving parts so you $8k pin could be now $9k with a topper in Aus.
here is a video of the LE game release
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Nate from Coast 2 Coast did a visual trip report of Expo and towards the end is a little bit of Steve Ritchie playing GoT LE - all really nice footage instead of that fast walk around footage.
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I am warming to this title. Artwork looks a lot better on the Premium. The SPIKE system feels different to the previous configurations. I might be in the minority, but I like this title.
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I think a lot of people are warming to it because the first released info and photos were very very basic.
Plus the changes they have made plus the Premium plus the topper, it's adding up to a 2nd fresh look that is impressing a lot more.
Really wanting to see them in person.
Santa may deliver some to AMD in time.
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That topper... bloody hell, what did I just see?
Could open a deli with that amount of cheese...
I love my cheese. Literal and non-literal. I also loves me a pinball topper.
It's gonna give that Fish Tales topper a run for its money.
Couldn't agree more Adam :) topper looks awesome nearly as good as the kiss topper lol. GoT looks like it's selling well here :) there's already a pro in Sydney. Gotta give it to stern announce a title then 2 or 3 weeks later it's here to play.
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Hoping one of the regulars to Timezone posts when they get a GOThrones at Surfers Paradise arcade.
Looking at all 3 models side by side at AMD in Sydney will be the best way to tell which one would be best for the collection.
Already hearing the art on the Pro & Premium cabinet is crystal clear & is blowing people away compared to the crappy photos that were getting around.
GOT is starting to feel a bit like Medi Evil Madness crossed with Lord of the Rings with a very unusual playfield.
The top playfield on GOT has artwork that reminds me of Black Knight 2000 and Steves style for square edges and artwork Medi evil style that he has done in the past.
Waiting for someone to hook up a can of degreaser and a ignition sparker to the dragon topper to make real fire.
Not too much or the player will be toast. %.%
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Hoping one of the regulars to Timezone posts when they get a GOThrones at Surfers Paradise arcade.
Looking at all 3 models side by side at AMD in Sydney will be the best way to tell which one would be best for the collection.
Already hearing the art on the Pro & Premium cabinet is crystal clear & is blowing people away compared to the crappy photos that were getting around.
GOT is starting to feel a bit like Medi Evil Madness crossed with Lord of the Rings with a very unusual playfield.
The top playfield on GOT has artwork that reminds me of Black Knight 2000 and Steves style for square edges and artwork Medi evil style that he has done in the past.
Waiting for someone to hook up a can of degreaser and a ignition sparker to the dragon topper to make real fire.
Not too much or the player will be toast. %.%
Would sure beat the flaky wing flap
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It could flap and spray fire if u tilt the machine ?
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2x Game of Thrones Pro have arrived at Timezone Surfers Paradise.
Should be up and running by Wednesday afternoon (4th November) ^^^
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2x Game of Thrones Pro have arrived at Timezone Surfers Paradise.
Should be up and running by Wednesday afternoon (4th November) ^^^
Edit: machines are up and running now #*#
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played the Pro today at a local Timezone and was a fun game. Lots of background noise so couldn't hear a thing apart from earning gold. Definitely a game where you need to have a basic understanding of the rules but nice flow and fast. The art was not as bad in person compared to the renders released at release but not wow either. Games varied from 10 million to my best at 360 million so a high scoring game, and first game that I payed for 2 credits and won 6 free games so kept me busy for a while. Definitely would like to play in a quieter area with a better understanding of the rules. Overall was fun.
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I also was lucky enough to have a crack at a PRO and while not a theme nor gameplay for me, it was fun and can see why fans of designer and TV series will like it.
I personally found ALL the shots were to close to the flippers,typical fan layout, this created a sense of speed, randomness, uncontrolled play and typical of this designer. I really like long shots and to feel like I actually got what I aimed for.
My favourite shot was the dragon kick back as this reminds me of BBH, JP and F14.
Would be happy to keep banging coins in it if on site.
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Dragon shot is very close to the iron man war machine shot as well with the lighting fast kick back.
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Yet another code update for this title - 1.21.
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Game of Thrones Dragon / Castle Topper is no available - order through distributor / dealers.
but at MSRP - $500 USD - that's alot of cash and new it would be dam expensive = probably around the $725 + postage (today's exchange rate)
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Looks fragile to me. Should have the topper done to protect it like Fishtales ?
Not a fan of these toppers. They should be included with the games - not an extra $750.
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^^^ like the kiss topper not something you'd have on a sited game but in a home environment I'm sure it'll be fine :) expensive? To some yes to others no lol
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Watched about 15 minutes of the show and wife has 4-5 series but hearing some of the game play comments makes me really want to play one. I want to play one so much I talking myself into buying one. Funny how one's mind works. No logic at all.
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Topper does look very very cool on this.
Would have to have the topper for sure.
Worth the $ for resale and uniqueness now.
A lot of great stuff coming out of Stern and the latest Spider-Man machine looks dam nice.
Can't wait to see what other magic surfaces in 2016 but Stern are certainly getting creative with toppers and mods plus games like Game of Thrones are definitely getting plenty of social media attention.
I still am undecided about this title but others like Kiss & Walking Dead are just excellent.
Will enjoy having some games at Timezone in person and making my mind up.
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Nice little mini doco from Stern :) I like how they do these insights into the making.
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10153922654039244/
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and there is a background page of Star Wars when they are talking to Dwight
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and there is a background page of Star Wars when they are talking to Dwight
So there is well spotted :) Stern deliberate leak?
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and there is a background page of Star Wars when they are talking to Dwight
So there is well spotted :) Stern deliberate leak?
Start looking for Iron Maiden references as well as Star Wars &&
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Yet ANOTHER Code update.
Does anyone on the forum own this title that can comment on the changes between codes ? Six major updates in the space of 3 months ^&^
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Check out the 16B ball by Keith Elwin on Twitch TV (2015/16 Papa Circuit Final v Zach Sharpe)
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I played a pro the other week, and really enjoyed playing it. While i didn't understand the full strategy of where the best points can be accumulated, it was fairly easy to pick up the basic rules.
Has anyone who has played both the pro and premium/le a fair bit got any comments on which is better gameplay or better value for money. Typically, I have always enjoyed playing the full featured games much more, however this pro i did find both fun and challenging.