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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: swinks on September 17, 2015, 01:11:37 PM
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Purely hypothetical but would you buy a Ghost Busters pinball if it was based on either the first 2 movies or the cartoon. It has a great potential pinball theme, catch and chase the ghosts, dark but lots of glowing bright colours, some cool toys like the fire station, ecto, ecto siren, comedy.
As for a artist either Dirty Donny or Zombie Yeti would be great as a bright and full playfield art package.
A dutch guy posted these on pinside a while back and they are very cool and some would fit the game beautifully.
Personal would not touch it if the Pro was based on the new movie coming out.
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some more
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some cool cartoon art like this would be great and timeless
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It has potential
I'd want ECTO1 to be center of the playfield
The traps would make great entrances for a subway
Somesort of hologam for slimer
It will never happen though :(
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It has potential
I'd want ECTO1 to be center of the playfield
The traps would make great entrances for a subway
Somesort of hologam for slimer
It will never happen though :(
Why is that Pete?
Good thread Swinks, some of those pics/ideas are great.
Personally I like the idea of it being based on the cartoon especially with custom, hand drawn art.
If based on new movie, I'm also a No.
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HAS to be based on the movie not the cartoon. Bill Murray is king
"your love is lifting me higher"
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@coon82
Getting the rights to the various images and sounds would be a nightmare
Would you still want the game if it did not feature Bill Murray?
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Concepts are great, but way too many moving toy mechanisms to fit into Stern's BOM.
Probably wouldn't want them touching it anyway and have them end up putting Walter Peck, the Mayor and the snooty hotel manager as the main characters on the translite. *)*
Mutiball lightshow would look fantastic (Do, Ray, Egon!) and a color display would be a must.
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@coon82
Getting the rights to the various images and sounds would be a nightmare
Would you still want the game if it did not feature Bill Murray?
Mmmm all main characters are a must, otherwise it would just be another 'Game of Thrones'
+1 to colordmd Pinsanity
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recent rumours are suggesting this could be released early 2016
colour dmd / lcd
second playfield
zombie yeti on art
Trudeau on design
and Gomez likes
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some more concepts from a Dutch Pinsider that I suspect is involved now in some way.
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another concept done by Star Gazer and rumour is Lyman might be on code
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Dan Akroid (?) Does not act much these days,
They could probably afford to get him in to do custom callouts
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Ghostbusters?
:lol
Would I get it?
Hell no!
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another concept done by Star Gazer and rumour is Lyman might be on code
Love the idea. Would on be good for LE's - They would be removed from operated games.
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Who you gonna call for a code update? :2cents:
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Backbox Tranlite art leaked for GB with the artist apparently Zombie Yeti, if true this looks sweet and if the playfield done in the same style one very sweet looking game and like Metallica a non photo shop art game
http://www.zombieyeti.com/
Also noticed in the second last second of Stern Christmas video a image of some wiring which may suggest a change in upcoming games. CES trade show is early January and Stern tend to launch new technological changes for their products with Spike last year and hopefully lcd this year.
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anyone recognise this ramp
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apparently a few other details floating around and here are a few possible things shared - hope it is all true
- beautiful artwork
- unique layout
- a game that Trudeau, Zombie Yeti, and Stern are rightfully going to be very proud of!
- toys,
- a subway,
- single drop targets in the middle of the playfield
- an Insanity Falls-style ramp
- EL lighting, and some of the best use of plastics to give the playfield even more dimension.
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apparantly this is a clue as well
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Hi Swinks, thanks for sharing the leaks.
When do you think the official announcement will be released?
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Could turn out to be a real fun game by the looks of things
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Well i guess at least Stern must not be doing Star Wars again...GB would be an interesting title.
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Well i guess at least Stern must not be doing Star Wars again...GB would be an interesting title.
apparently they are but not till 2017
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Hi Swinks, thanks for sharing the leaks.
When do you think the official announcement will be released?
rumoured for CES in early 6-7 Jan and have also heard early Feb ?
since it is supposed to have a lcd it could be the CES show as that is when they launch new features and lcd is a big step for them - probably a Dutch Pinball DMD sized.
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also forgot to add rumour is a spilt playfield like a black knight - not sure how accurate this is but something Stern have not done before - more of a bally / wms thing.
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The problem for Ghost Busters by Stern is the code.
How long would it take for the game to match the press release by Stern?
Would it be an Avengers scenario all over again (still waiting)?
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Based on the quality of that translite it seems Stern should contract more of the design work out to third parties.
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I think based on the enthusiasm of pinball people in the US if the game looks good and Stern are smart and do a nice launch and gameplay video to show the play potential they will get alot of sales. Code updates seem very much linked to sales, good sales will then lead to code and game play improvements like AC/DC etc. But then what game doesn't have code updates as Heighway, Spooky and JJP are doing updates down the track but the difference is these other companies only have 1-2 games to update over long periods of time where Stern are pumping out 3-4 new titles a year.
WWE is a recent game that I don't think has sold that well and many people like the top wrestling ring but many have complained how the ball is up there too often - this leads to poor sales. If they had art on the pros like the 80's wrestlers that the pinheads remembered when they were younger and maybe changed the playfield to go up there when a certain few targets are hit meaning less time in the ring and a bit more varied in game play. Maybe the ramps have a turn on and off diverter to the top ring making it a little better in play with ramps looping around past. Improving play and art could of really turned this around for Stern.
As for Avengers, the art was pretty good and the unique playfield had some good features but some of the design affected the sales - ramps covering up inlane to flipper inserts, other inserts too far up and view blocked along the middle lhs side, balls getting caught up on the Hulk. All these issues affect sales and the priority to code.
My opinion is if they can tick the boxes on GB - art, layout, game play potential, a full featured game many people will buy but if they don't perform in one or more of the areas then sales are affected and then the priority to update code reduces. If Stern have the license to produce for a while and all the boxes are ticked it could be made for a few years. Some people in the know have seen the layout and art say it looks great so time will tell but agree it would be nice if they release a game professionally with the code almost done apart from tweaks to fix bugs and enhance the play even more would be nice.
With GB, the art was requested to be pulled down by Stern on Pinside causing a bit of drama but almost confirms that it will be happening. This game is also rumored to be only a Pro and LE so hopefully the Pro is fairly full featured and not a cut down game like GoT.
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Based on the quality of that translite it seems Stern should contract more of the design work out to third parties.
totally agree and zombie yetti wasn't known until he got burnt by jpop with magic girl and the zombie game as well as alice in wonderland.
more hand drawn art and less photoshop and use some smarts as GoT had 100 gears too much.
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Could they do a video mode where you have to use your telepathy to guess a card and zap you through the flipper buttons %.%
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As a premise I would buy one however I have my reservation about a Stern release until they improve the build quality and code release.
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someone in the US saw a whitewood pic and apparently has 4 magnets that control shots
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Slimer is Vaders father!
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rumour in Aus that AMD which is Stern's distributor in Aus is releasing Ghostbusters and spiderman VE this Feb with Gary Stern possibly present
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Having just purchased a GoT pro and my friend who bought an le I can safely say Stern has produced a top notch pin. The spike system is excellent with stereo sound and audio out. The decals are 100% (which they should be). Zero issues and the clear is the best I've seen. On par with my wozrr. My WOZ by the way had a couple of small issues that I had to fix so one up for Stern from my end.
Ghostbusters I would consider if it's not Lonnie Ropp coding. Plus obviously the layout and art etc. but Stern quality control has certainly improved.
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rumour suggests that this playfield could possibly be a GB playfield and the rumour is a main ramp will go below and back above the playfield (larger boxes on the rhs) which would something new
which was spied on this thread a little while back
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someone has already mocked up some plastics, would be funny if it wasn't the GB playfield, but what the hell bit of fun
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I can confirm that this is a version of the GB playfield and it is happening and has a insanity falls style ramp that goes below the playfield and back up out of the playfield
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Oh man! I have caught the hype and it sucks. Went out and bought the remastered blu ray movies. Firkin Classics. I can see so many call outs and links between the two movies and pinball.
O h but what to sell to make room? I will not buy on spec like I did WNBJM again ( I really lucked out on Nellie as it is firkin AWESOME ) BUT on a licensed title, probably not.
DO, RAY, EGOOOON such a cool movie from my youth.
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it doesn't have a extra playfield - single level with some unique shots (a little different but) close to the sketch below, and has proton beams (don't cross the beams ^^^ ) coming from a hole either side just fractionally above the tip of the apron
this sketch is getting a little closer
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I think this theme will make a good (fun) pinball. Hopefully stern do it justice, but it's time to move on to colour displays.
Looking forward to more updates.
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Have no real interest in buying, Nice to see these leaked up dates adds to the hype I guess
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Having just purchased a GoT pro and my friend who bought an le I can safely say Stern has produced a top notch pin. The spike system is excellent with stereo sound and audio out. The decals are 100% (which they should be). Zero issues and the clear is the best I've seen. On par with my wozrr. My WOZ by the way had a couple of small issues that I had to fix so one up for Stern from my end.
Ghostbusters I would consider if it's not Lonnie Ropp coding. Plus obviously the layout and art etc. but Stern quality control has certainly improved.
I concur with regard to the QA over the past 3-5 years. More a case of the competition, but my KISS LE is still perfect. I was not expecting this to be the case, but I can't find "anything" to complain about.
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based on comments from certain insiders I think Spiderman VE and GB have a good chance of getting a colour screen and announced in the next month
this sketch is getting closer, though is a 2 flipper game, 4 in lanes to flippers, 1 killer ramp and another cross over ramp hopefully on the pro as well.
and this was in relation to future games - looks like a hendrix in the near future
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Is it 2 flippers or 4?
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2 flippers
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At CES it was heard that Jody Dankberg had confirmed the first game after Spider-Man would have an LCD and was apparently detailed on the Polygon.com article.
Stern then later retracts his statement and says No LCD on next title, so looks like GB won't get a LCD.
For me I am not that bothered as a LCD would be nice but if it keeps the price down on GB then I am happy for a DMD - sort of suits the old movie.
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apparently the sling shots will be different on this game as supposed to have magnetic slings ??? something new
and that the lcd will be after ghostbusters
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At CES it was heard that Jody Dankberg had confirmed the first game after Spider-Man would have an LCD and was apparently detailed on the Polygon.com article.
Stern then later retracts his statement and says No LCD on next title, so looks like GB won't get a LCD.
Classic stuff swinks, thanks for the laugh. %.%
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ooohhhh
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IF they make this game with the ramp above, that would be cool.
IF it's anything close to the amazing art of the Spider-Man Vault Edition which is stunning, it would be very very cool indeed.
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it is a cool looking game and the art is done by zombie yeti so all hand drawn, think Metallica custom art
that ramp starts high and goes under the playfield and comes back out - like a insanity falls ramp.
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The SM VE art is crap, ultimate SM is the worst of all SM art. If Ghostbusters has art like that it will look like shit.
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ooohhhh
Interesting reveal swinks. ^^^
Keep us up to date with any new info. *%*
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The SM VE art is crap, ultimate SM is the worst of all SM art. If Ghostbusters has art like that it will look like shit.
nah it is zombie yeti and custom, no photoshop, not like Metallica but original
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http://imgur.com/a/Xx85a
even though I seen and had these since Dec check and grab them while you can - great looking pin so far
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Thx for link Jady-For the lazy lol
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may as well add the last 2, and rumour is after they sell the LE's if and when that is they will do a Stay Puft Premium but LE's have to sell out first but no art has been released.
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may as well add the last 2, and rumour is after they sell the LE's if and when that is they will do a Stay Puft Premium but LE's have to sell out first but no art has been released.
Cheers I forgot those 2 lol I like the unique layout and the green trim.
Small PF pic
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Worst kept secret in pinball !
Initial impression - I like the layout and the "under the playfield" ramp.
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Stern has a good insider that leaks pics to start the "hype train " good marketing I think. People are already throwing money at them lol
Weird pic below 3 Newton balls?
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http://imgur.com/a/Xx85a
even though I seen and had these since Dec check and grab them while you can - great looking pin so far
Good to see these released to the general public mate. Must have been tough for you to keep them under wraps for so long. ^^^
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Not sure if it is a trick of perspective, but the right ramp seems awfully tall?
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it has to be as that ramp drops down underneath the playfield and back out from underneath to the right flipper so it needs the momentum but it will need some power to get up that ramp
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Not sure if it is a trick of perspective, but the right ramp seems awfully tall?
Has a larger gradient than TWD Bicycle Girl ramp, but that shot is easily made. Game looks to be very Trudeauish to me. I really like what limited pictures there are. I hope it is all hand drawn art.
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Not sure if it is a trick of perspective, but the right ramp seems awfully tall?
Has a larger gradient than TWD Bicycle Girl ramp, but that shot is easily made. Game looks to be very Trudeauish to me. I really like what limited pictures there are. I hope it is all hand drawn art.
I have only seen a portion slightly larger and it is all hand drawn and looks great
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Not sure about the artwork on the translite so far but the cabinet photos look awesome.
Swinksy, do u have an idea who may be doing the artwork & who the playfield designer is ?
Every time I think I will never buy another pinny, something from left field comes out that is tempting.
If Stern is doing this, they are pumping hard with so many titles so quickly.
That factory must be a magical place to work.
Wish the Aussie dollar wasn't so crap again.
The ACDC days of low 6's instead of 8 for a Pro was a treat gone with the past.
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Don't mind the layout, ramp looks difficult to make being so steep but I'm sure that would be sorted by release date. This could be a winner. Also not keen on translite artwork
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Copied the newton ball location from Kingpin.
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Three captive balls or more is very cool.
The new Ghostbusters movie released in 2016 sometime features Chris Hemsworth (Thor) from Avengers but This time as a Ghostbusters member dressed as a nerd with big glasses. That's different.
But the pinny is based on the older movie but timed to be released with the 2016 movie.
Go figure ?
Also, as soon as Hobbitt info and test machines appeared onsite on FB for the very first time from JJP, Ghostbusters pinny stuff appears everywhere.
The pinball marketing wars begin again !
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Designer - Trudeau
Artwork - Zombie Yeti (he did all the Jpop artwork) and all hand drawn not photoshop
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There's a full Whitewood photo on FB just released that has been photographed at ChurchHill Cabinets, Sterns cabinet supplier.
The playfield in that photo, and the fast flow of straight up shots makes this playfield fast.
Thanks for the designer Swinksy.
John T,s playfield designs are uniquely almost always half way between Borgys style and Steve Ritchies style.
It's like mixing these two designers together and u get JT,s flow and shot angles.
I like JT,s designs.
Mustang plays nicely.
Ghost busters looks great on that FB full Whitewood photo which has been photographed standing up so u can see every shot line perfectly.
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Stern has a good insider that leaks pics to start the "hype train " good marketing I think. People are already throwing money at them lol
Weird pic below 3 Newton balls?
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Peter, what do you mean, people are already throwing money at them?
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What i meant was people where putting down deposits on LE's even before these pics where released and now a 3D pics comes out and even more want to give Stern there hard earned lol Good marketing I reckon organize a few leaks and build the hype :)
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Thanks for the info Swinks ,
Its looks nice so far , i love the slime green artwork
Certainly a different looking game playfield layout , could do well this title.
I wont be buying one unfortunately.
The dollar is up a little last night , hope this offsets any price increases for those keen on the game and must have one.
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Translite is the best piece of artwork related to this title released to date. I wonder if there is any more as yet unreleased to the general public artwork out there? #@#
The dollar is up a little last night , hope this offsets any price increases for those keen on the game and must have one.
I hope so too, because given the local distro there sure won't be a decrease. ^&^
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the rumour from some one very connected is the pro won't have
- the slimer holo
- the swinging proton beams
- the ramp on the rhs won't go beneath the playfield
- the rhs scoop won't be there
figured that the first two would get axed, but bummer about the rhs ramp as would of been cool and the scoop is probably there to in case the ball gets stuck beneath the playfield
The pro would still have asteep ramp and it will dip to playfield level but rise up again but not below the playfield. The pro looks like it will still have the second closer ramp as well as the 2 pop single drop targets which will be good.
now for the bad news, strong rumour is the price is going up a further $500 on the MSRP, would what AMD will do as soon they won't be selling as much, though sure sales must be dropping for them already. Hopefully they will hold back and wear some of the profit for more sales.
Pro - $8650
Premium - $11150
LE - $12850
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Translite is the best piece of artwork related to this title released to date. I wonder if there is any more as yet unreleased to the general public artwork out there? #@#
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Translite is the best piece of artwork related to this title released to date. I wonder if there is any more as yet unreleased to the general public artwork out there? #@#
#@# #@# #@#
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Ohh the comedy. Oohhhhh the comedy.
It just gets worse & worse & worse.
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Well done Swinksy on your efforts for this thread & all the other great threads you do.
It is very much appreciated.
I booked a flight today for a trip to the USA & the Stern factory which I am looking forward to.
I hope to take some great photos with two of the guys I really appreciate which is John Borg & Steve Ritchie plus Gary of course. They have always been more than kind to me over the years & are really down to earth and are always very accessible if you have a question which is great because these guys are busy but they always find time to talk or email their customers. If I get to meet other designers like JT etc that will be cream on top.
Hopefully Ghostbusters will be on the line.
My hope is to take my son to see the Stern factory with me.
That will be a dream come true for the both of us.
I was speaking to AMD yesterday about a few titles & the pricing is not going up at this stage on anything, but it is dependent on what they buy & how many orders they get but they are doing everything they can to keep the prices as low as possible. Let's see what happens.
Martin from Pinball News website has just done a few great articles on a few great Stern titles so I am hoping he gets his usual exclusive scoop on the Ghostbusters title as well cause his reviews are great.
Well done Swinksy on sharing Ghost Busters.
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
You're a lap dog. #*#
If you are going to insult someone learn some basic spelling and grammar. :lol
The two biggest self-proclaimed Stern fanboys on AP and they both missed the boat on the GB leak. Gold! ^^^
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Apparently the Stern Release date is Feb 14th (Valentine's Day)
"Valentines Day. Bummer."
-Dr. P. Venkman
a while back the rumour was it is going to be released at Australia first with a Sydney pinball comp and Gary will be here - not sure if that is still on the cards but all going well will be Sunday 14th
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My initial reaction to this title was not for me, even though I like the movie.
After seeing the "leaks" I must admit it looks very interesting, pf and art sample look great.
I don't like the slimmer LE idea, Staypuft would have been a better choice for mine but that makes the Prem more appealing.
Lets see how the dots, call outs and audio pan out.
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rumour is the premium will be available only after the le's sell out and is going to be a Stay Puft
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I have no interest in buying one new, it will be on location at Timezone surfers soon enough to test drive.
If it turns out to be a good game in the year or so it will take to complete the code I might source one 2nd hand.
But these price rises............... ::)
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
You're a lap dog. #*#
If you are going to insult someone learn some basic spelling and grammar. :lol
The two biggest self-proclaimed Stern fanboys on AP and they both missed the boat on the GB leak. Gold! ^^^
INSANITY, You are you insulting members again calling people dogs ! Will you ever just shut up.
Mate, can we move on from the gutter thinking & simply stick to pinball. It was old 6 months ago. Snrrrrrr.
Some of us Stern fans are busy with normal life, we don't monitor our Stern red Bat Phones to Gary every minute of every day !
Sheesh ! Stick to pinball. You are not a little kid anymore.
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Does anyone know the break down for
LE numbers & if 2 versions or one
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It's okay to fail publicly (again), trashnotreasure without the pathetic excuses. You never know it might eventually make you a better person.
As for will I ever shut up because my view isn't compatible with yours. No, but I have never acceded to the demands of the solipsistic. My view is that those who act as enablers to behaviour like yours are just as culpable and shall be chastised accordingly i.e. when I am directly attacked.
Your best solution is to actually follow through on the guarantee you made days ago and put me on ignore if you cannot handle my commentary and right to defend myself.
Again I'll insert the advice I gave weeks ago:
A simple solution would be for you to just retreat back into your own solipsistic fantasy (the ignore button does work you know) and you won't have to get so stirred up about anything I say in my posts including the posts I make that have no direct effect on you whatsoever.
The rub is that you can't do that since your fragile ego and low self esteem just won't permit you to consider the possibility your viewpoint could ever be erroneous.
Have a great trip to the US of A, "mate".... :D
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Every time , on every post, on every thread, that you make personality attacks on members rather than sticking to pinball, and keeping it simply about pinball without the nasty pot shots, you are just going to get the Pinsanity famous
Icon. Even if we Ignore you, you just don't stop with the crap on every thread , after every post.
So get used to a line of these if you continue to play the man & not the pinball topic.
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
You're a lap dog. #*#
If you are going to insult someone learn some basic spelling and grammar. :lol
The two biggest self-proclaimed Stern fanboys on AP and they both missed the boat on the GB leak. Gold! ^^^
Go away fool you really do have issues. You turn every thread to shit! You sound like a sad negative little man.
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
You're a lap dog. #*#
If you are going to insult someone learn some basic spelling and grammar. :lol
The two biggest self-proclaimed Stern fanboys on AP and they both missed the boat on the GB leak. Gold! ^^^
Go away fool you really do have issues. You turn every thread to shit! You sound like a sad negative little man.
That's much better. No spelling errors and correct sentence structure. @@*
You'll be ready for TESOL certification in no time. :lol
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Anyway back on topic :)
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swinks - the AP member with the REAL contacts at Stern. *%*
Great work on you keeping the thread up to date with factual relevant info.
Your a shit stirrer
Pinside is littered with Stern contacts lol but great to have another Aussie with Stern contacts can never have to many
You're a lap dog. #*#
If you are going to insult someone learn some basic spelling and grammar. :lol
The two biggest self-proclaimed Stern fanboys on AP and they both missed the boat on the GB leak. Gold! ^^^
Go away fool you really do have issues. You turn every thread to shit! You sound like a sad negative little man.
That's much better. No spelling errors and correct sentence structure. @@*
You'll be ready for TESOL certification in no time. :lol
Not quite. There should be a comma after the word FOOL.
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Dude that is so funny and very true, BUGGER!
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On Facebook today Stern were saying the DMD for them is now a thing of the pet & that their new models will feature a different size & style of display.
Don't know which pin will be the first to get it though ?
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On Facebook today Stern were saying the DMD for them is now a thing of the pet & that their new models will feature a different size & style of display.
Don't know which pin will be the first to get it though ?
the new lcd is supposed to be one after ghostbusters, and Jody stated at the recent CES show it would be the next game and it went into a online article and then Stern had then had them retract that to one after next.
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On Facebook today Stern were saying the DMD for them is now a thing of the pet & that their new models will feature a different size & style of display.
Don't know which pin will be the first to get it though ?
Where'd you see that Brett? I can't find it on FB mate :)
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here's a tad more #@# keeps falling into my inbox
going to be a nice looking game
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I have a set of these with lights in the works
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On Facebook today Stern were saying the DMD for them is now a thing of the pet & that their new models will feature a different size & style of display.
Don't know which pin will be the first to get it though ?
Where'd you see that Brett? I can't find it on FB mate :)
within the comments of the TMNT flash back.
It would be interesting if they delayed the GB release and after the 30 days / years of flash backs they release the lcd on GB but not what I have heard
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Wow, the art work looks very cool!
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On Facebook today Stern were saying the DMD for them is now a thing of the pet & that their new models will feature a different size & style of display.
Don't know which pin will be the first to get it though ?
Where'd you see that Brett? I can't find it on FB mate :)
within the comments of the TMNT flash back.
It would be interesting if they delayed the GB release and after the 30 days / years of flash backs they release the lcd on GB but not what I have heard
I wonder if GB will be LCD? time will tell art looks great.
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I would have settled happily for a coloured DMD the size of the largest DMDs that Stern/Sega used on games like Frankenstein & Baywatch and BatMan Forever etc.
That size was great and being coloured would have been great.
The playfield and shots and toys always have to be number one.
If their are going to be price hikes because of the new displays, then I will be torn between what already works and what is going to keep prices climbing.
Maybe all the new screen development is slowing down code enhancement of various titles ?
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here's a tad more #@# keeps falling into my inbox
going to be a nice looking game
Looking good, mate.
Only have to open your email first thing in the morning for first hand info. ^^^
Thanks for sharing it with AP.
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I would have settled happily for a coloured DMD the size of the largest DMDs that Stern/Sega used on games like Frankenstein & Baywatch and BatMan Forever etc.
That size was great and being coloured would have been great.
The playfield and shots and toys always have to be number one.
If their are going to be price hikes because of the new displays, then I will be torn between what already works and what is going to keep prices climbing.
Maybe all the new screen development is slowing down code enhancement of various titles ?
Yeah I'd be happy with the bigger Sega size display :) but I'd rather great toys than a LCD to be honest.
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Plus one.
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here's a tad more #@# keeps falling into my inbox
going to be a nice looking game
Looking good, mate.
Only have to open your email first thing in the morning for first hand info. ^^^
Thanks for sharing it with AP.
I can confirm that Swinks is receiving interesting pictures way before announcements on worldwide forums. The artwork on Ghostbusters is incredible, to say the very least.
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AP isnt the biggest forum but it's the best with new scoops.
Was that the message. Lol
It pays to be a Stern fan !
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here's a tad more #@# keeps falling into my inbox
going to be a nice looking game
Looking good, mate.
Only have to open your email first thing in the morning for first hand info. ^^^
Thanks for sharing it with AP.
I can confirm that Swinks is receiving interesting pictures way before announcements on worldwide forums. The artwork on Ghostbusters is incredible, to say the very least.
Very nice indeed. Looks like the photoshop subscri-ption ran out. A good thing indeed!
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Is the audio going to based on the old movie & if so will they get Bill Murray etc in or will they just get voiceover actors to save money.
With the new remake movie coming out, I hope they aren't using the new actors voices with the older art.
Something tells me it is going to be based on the new movie cause the pin is coming out around the new movie release.
Anyone got any thoughts about this audio ?
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for voice work it is supposed to be one of the original ghostbusters doing some custom voice work- the cheapest one %.%
going off the art they are cashing in on the original movie - just look at the playfield art, cabinet and backglasses, not the reboot but sure Stern will enjoy the second boost of sales when the movie comes outs later in the year, I can imagine a few GB's sitting in Cinema's to help further sales, talk is they are trying to get approval for some of the original music but just based on the art snippets I tried doing a overlay on the white wood and inserts have moved around a bit so nothing is final until released.
if anything Stern are doing a new thing here as they are doing a 30 year old movie into a pin. JJP did WOZ and Dutch Pinball with The Big Lewbowski and Heighway with Aliens so they are joining the rest of them as sure back in the day we loved those movies and now we are in our 40's to 60's and more cashed up than a teenager so just makes sense.
as for release that is why I had the poll finish up on the last day of Feb as sources indicated that it would be between mid Feb to Mid March. Trudeau is also doing a presentation at the Texas Pinball Show which is around the 20th March which probably aligns with the 30 years of posters and Texas show was apparently the new show not to miss so dare say the release will be around then.
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but then they might use the line from the movie in relation to Feb 14th 2016 - End of the World
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Of 25 people polled, it's apx a fifty fifty as to who would buy one & who would not buy one.
Subject to cost & features and game rules etc etc wtc .
I am assuming most who are keen who have $ spare would try for the LE first because resale is better quicker if you want to get out of it soon after buying if u changed your mind.
Is Stern making & bringing out too many titles per year and are the titles they are bringing out, not for sale long enough for those that want to save & buy one ?
Recent titles
Metallica various models
Mustang various models
Walking Dead various models
Star Teek various models
Ironman Vault Edition
Spider-Man Vault Edition
Kiss various models
Game of Thrones
Medi Evil Madness Remske
Big Tits Big Juicy Melons
Ghost Busters soon various models
Is it too many too quick which means you have a very short window to save for a title or two u want.
Unless Stern keeps the Vault edition door constantly open, something needs to be done to help customers secure the games they want.
Anyone else worried they are getting too big too quick again ?
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sorry cavey, why over think it....... not all games are tempting for everyone and they run most games for three years, it's good to have variety - Rumours are the next one is either Hendrix or Aerosmith which will only suit certain people - look at Spooky who just sold out their 2nd pin Rob Zombie's Spookshow - not everyone's taste. I think also the LE sales will drop away here in Aus big time with prices hitting $12-$13k and quite a few people are speculating that their sales figures have probably changed in the last 2 years as people are finding it hard to even justify a pro / premium or LE purchase in NZ, Aus, Canada and Europe. I think they are reducing their cost to build but raising the price on every new game so eventually will hurt them but their marketing guy is a goose so probably going for greed until sales slow down - apparently the new bigger factory is slowing down. Imagine when the lcd comes out, probably will look cool but a price jump - is what it is but reckon the sales will slow down as they can't send out a game with complete code imagine a game with incomplete code and lcd footage.
they just released a t-shirt ideal for you - mexican zombies chasing Gary and on the sleeve Trudeau, Ritchie and Borg hiding in the bushes, just needs a addition print of a guy (Stern Fan) on the other sleeve saying "come this way"... %.%
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Stern have never really been "that big" to be worried about. The bubble is about to burst. I speak to operators and respected dealers almost daily and the price hikes and the 3 model system is not going to be a good business model in Australia moving forward.
I think Ghostbusters looks AWESOME, but there would be no way I'd buy a machine at that price, that is effectively an incomplete machine. But I love the artwork, and it is designed by the the best designer at Stern.
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Stern have never really been "that big" to be worried about. The bubble is about to burst. I speak to operators and respected dealers almost daily and the price hikes and the 3 model system is not going to be a good business model in Australia moving forward.
I think Ghostbusters looks AWESOME, but there would be no way I'd buy a machine at that price, that is effectively an incomplete machine. But I love the artwork, and it is designed by the the best designer at Stern.
As a hobbyist, I didn't mind the 2012 Pro pricing of $5950....a stripped down Game of Thrones at $8150 no longer seems good value anymore. That's tough to swallow.
I'm looking forward to Ghostbusters, but am anticipating disappointment that something cool will be ripped out of the Pro version.
It is very disappointing that Stern always talk about the operator, but I don't see the humble op being helped out any with this type of pricing.
What will happen when the bubble bursts?
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Stern have never really been "that big" to be worried about. The bubble is about to burst. I speak to operators and respected dealers almost daily and the price hikes and the 3 model system is not going to be a good business model in Australia moving forward.
I think Ghostbusters looks AWESOME, but there would be no way I'd buy a machine at that price, that is effectively an incomplete machine. But I love the artwork, and it is designed by the the best designer at Stern.
As a hobbyist, I didn't mind the 2012 Pro pricing of $5950....a stripped down Game of Thrones at $8150 no longer seems good value anymore. That's tough to swallow.
I'm looking forward to Ghostbusters, but am anticipating disappointment that something cool will be ripped out of the Pro version.
It is very disappointing that Stern always talk about the operator, but I don't see the humble op being helped out any with this type of pricing.
What will happen when the bubble bursts?
As a collector, I would buy TWD Pro, Ironman VE and I'd look at a Tron at the price point of $6000. I know a lot of collectors that would do the same. Several KISS fans would have bought the Pro at that price.
Ghostbusters Pro with the current artwork - I'd definitely buy - code issues included.
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Yes guys, fair points but an Australian dollar at $1.13 ish for ACDC at 6 grand ex delivery & ex shaker & ex fitted came to 7 K.
We now have Pro pricing averaging between $7850 and add the extra $600 for shaker fitted & delivered etc.
Also keep in mind, AMD rewards repeat customers who pay upfront by bank transfer & often delivery & shaker et can be easily negotiated.
You can't blame AND for the shit Aussie Dollar. Things have changed since 2012 and AMD did also order over 6 containers of ACDC because it was the biggest title seen in this country for decades.
It's difficult to compare apples for oranges.
I have said it a million times & try very hard to get people to understand the Pro is the best bang for your buck if you want a fast game with harsher rule sets with only ten percent less bells n whistles than the LE models.
Also, every industry utilises the 3 tier model selection/model levels cause people want choice & different price points to invest in.
The days of one shoe fits all are over.
Embrace the 3 tier system because the fact that all 3 models sell very well for Syern proves the public like this marketing plan. Choice is good. No one wants to own a carbon copy of the blokes pin u down the road.
Back to Ghost Busters.
Stern are the biggest thing in pinball today & have been for a very long time.
Without Stern our beloved hobby & industry would have died, never to be reborn again.
Gary Stern is a passionate fighter. As a self employed entrepreneur all my life, I can't not have total respect for the guy.
He ain't perfect, but he just keeps doing everything he can to keep both the original DNA in pinball whilst moving towards the new technology that we now have.
Great exciting times ahead.
Ohh, and it's Steve Ritchies birthday today. Get on Facebook and wish Steve a great day.
A class act and someone I have a lot of respect for.
Happy days ahead guys.
Hope pinball in 2016 brings everyone something magical whatever that may be !
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It is very disappointing that Stern always talk about the operator, but I don't see the humble op being helped out any with this type of pricing.
What will happen when the bubble bursts?
Hagerty Peterson will implement a fire sale once the well runs dry.
The cash cow is currently grazing in the home market, however this is a short term financial gain for Stern, which will come at the expense of long term growth for pinball itself.
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Would you like take a Wager of $1,000 on that not coming true.
Barcodes & Pinball related businesses are booming in every country that pinballs have a long history in & not a day goes past there isn't a social media site listing new pins in new locations.
Stern is riding a wave of high demand & are running flat chat & also have many third parties lining up for remakes that are growing in size and number.
If Stern manages its scale of economies well, I can't see anything dramatic happening in the next ten years.
Remember also, Gary has always said the most important part to running a pinball factory is balancing stock purchases/timing & buy rates of piece rates. He seems to master this well after 50 years.
I am betting the silver fox is two steps ahead & will leave Stern in great hands no matter when he hands the reigns over. Never underestimate the passionate Stern fans to provide support right when Stern needs it most.
I could be wrong but the yanks love Stern more than us.
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The Aussie Dollar is only going to go down from here.
So to buy new Sterns, is only going to get dearer....that's without Stern price hikes. ^.^
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Yes guys, fair points but an Australian dollar at $1.13 ish for ACDC at 6 grand ex delivery & ex shaker & ex fitted came to 7 K.
We now have Pro pricing averaging between $7850 and add the extra $600 for shaker fitted & delivered etc.
Also keep in mind, AMD rewards repeat customers who pay upfront by bank transfer & often delivery & shaker et can be easily negotiated.
You can't blame AND for the shit Aussie Dollar. Things have changed since 2012 and AMD did also order over 6 containers of ACDC because it was the biggest title seen in this country for decades.
It's difficult to compare apples for oranges.
I have said it a million times & try very hard to get people to understand the Pro is the best bang for your buck if you want a fast game with harsher rule sets with only ten percent less bells n whistles than the LE models.
Also, every industry utilises the 3 tier model selection/model levels cause people want choice & different price points to invest in.
The days of one shoe fits all are over.
Embrace the 3 tier system because the fact that all 3 models sell very well for Syern proves the public like this marketing plan. Choice is good. No one wants to own a carbon copy of the blokes pin u down the road.
Back to Ghost Busters.
Stern are the biggest thing in pinball today & have been for a very long time.
Without Stern our beloved hobby & industry would have died, never to be reborn again.
Gary Stern is a passionate fighter. As a self employed entrepreneur all my life, I can't not have total respect for the guy.
He ain't perfect, but he just keeps doing everything he can to keep both the original DNA in pinball whilst moving towards the new technology that we now have.
Great exciting times ahead.
Ohh, and it's Steve Ritchies birthday today. Get on Facebook and wish Steve a great day.
A class act and someone I have a lot of respect for.
Happy days ahead guys.
Hope pinball in 2016 brings everyone something magical whatever that may be !
Completely untrue. Pinball has been around a lot longer than Stern. The NIB Home market is a relatively new concept for Stern and the hobbyist / collector. Would possibly go back 5 years at the most. NIB Sterns only represent a small percentage of pinball buyers, even in Australia. There are far more containers of second hand pinballs arriving in Australia than new Sterns. That is a fact.
Stern are in business more for operators. The last 5 years may have seen a huge increase into the home market, but there are far more reconditioned pinballs than new Sterns going into homes. The demand for restored games has never been higher, in this country, for second hand games. If Stern were not bailed out (twice), it would not have made a big difference to where we are now.
I know you love Stern, but they have never saved the industry, and never will. The biggest NIB commercial manufacturer - a resounding YES - but that's because there's no one else left. I am grateful Stern are still around, but if they closed their doors 5, 10, 15 years ago, it would not have made a huge difference. But I want Stern to be around for many more years to come.
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The context was without Stern, the BNIB market/industry would have died.
Wasn't talking about old 1990,s DMD machines.
Also, a lot of people who are new to pinnies wont buy 25 year old machines with massive question marks & reconditioning bills that can be sky high.
Brand new stuff has got the barcades etc flourishing again cause the titles are fresh & new.
A successful pin business will promote both new and vintage side by side to cover all the bases and everyone wins.
They are apples & oranges.
As long as our industry grows, it's all good.
The home market has been thriving since the surplus sited pins fell out of favour back pre 2000.
The home market has been going great guns for 15 plus years.
Maybe ten years for Stern but both operators and Home users are both revved up currently.
JJP has been instrumental in helping this along no doubt.
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The context was without Stern, the BNIB market/industry would have died.
Wasn't talking about old 1990,s DMD machines.
Also, a lot of people who are new to pinnies wont buy 25 year old machines with massive question marks & reconditioning bills that can be sky high.
Brand new stuff has got the barcades etc flourishing again cause the titles are fresh & new.
A successful pin business will promote both new and vintage side by side to cover all the bases and everyone wins.
They are apples & oranges.
As long as our industry grows, it's all good.
The home market has been thriving since the surplus sited pins fell out of favour back pre 2000.
The home market has been going great guns for 15 plus years.
Maybe ten years for Stern but both operators and Home users are both revved up currently.
JJP has been instrumental in helping this along no doubt.
In that context, your statement is true. Generally speaking, Stern are the leading commercial manufacturer, but have no bearing on the hobby's or industry's survival today. In years to come, if they are around after our generation move on, then yes - they would have a significant bearing.
Newbies start off in the second hand market and progress to the Addams Family titles. The only "NEW to the hobby" collectors I've ever seen by NIB Sterns are AC/DC fans, Metallica Fans and KISS fans. Most collections have predominantly older games and might have a late model Stern. The home market only started around 2008 at the very earliest. The demand for restored pinballs has never been higher. The demand for NIB Sterns has grown, but the biggest question is "for how long". If Stern keep bringing out licenses that are broad (Wrestlemania), Movie pins (Avengers / Ghostbusters) and Music Pins (KISS, Iron Maiden) then they will continue to grow as long as they become more proficient at code maturity at the shipping stage. We see that KISS and GoT have FAR superior clearcoats to TWD - massive difference, so they ARE listening.
My thoughts on Stern pinball is that irrespective of the title, they need to reduce the supplier prices and that way, sell more games.
I think during my review of TWD LE, I stated I would not hesitate to part with $7500 for the LE. I did buy a KISS LE ($11,500). Both these titles are excellent. I played a Tron at Cursed's meet and I was pleasantly surprised. As a Pro, it looked like an LE and played exceptionally well with brilliant code. If that title was $5600 for the PRO - I would consider buying it.
Ghostbusters WILL BE an awesome game. Artwork is hand draw and appears to lend into the original movies. Designed by Trudeau - my favorite modern day designer - all the boxes are ticked - except the factory price is way too high. I can live with basic code for 3 months - but the price is the issue. It is the major issue with most pinheads and adding shaker motors and free delivery are not the answer any longer.
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even the guys in the US are not happy with the rising prices of the pro and Canadians are slowing to buy NIB and they are just over the border, things will slow soon and I bet when they do they will drop the price as they can afford to because they have taking advantage of the sales.
As for the 3 tier pinballs up to 4-5 years ago they just had one type and then introduced just differences in looks but the last few years were minor changes in play but GoT was a massive difference and if it wasn't for a half decent rule set with some new originality the pro would of really boomed. But people are being more weary and Stern are pushing it to the end. But companies like Spooky, Heighway, JJP, Dutch Pinball have a single game play game with just visual differences for their LE and only Stern do the 3 tier different gameplay thing and many people are not a fan - plus on a business standpoint is a bit poor in management as they have to stock doubles of playfields instead of just one playfield and then have to have 2 different pieces of code and there is a massive development cost there - so it be smarter to have one game with same a different set of plastics, backglass and cab art for le and one playfield and one set of programming.
You wait for the topper for GB (haven't seen it) but bet it will probably be around $1k landed to us as they are getting crazy in price and for the people who are cashed up. Stern are trying to push certain modders out of the market and grabbing everything they can . greed. Yes Gary has done some good but with Jody getting his claws more and more into the business marketing and steering the business he will ruin it.
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also Cavey all AMD's pro's are now $8150 so they have been increasing across all the available games even though the dollar has not changed in the last 3 months and in the US the other pro's are cheaper than the latest release so they are ensuring they are covering a near rough time in sales if Stern jack up prices or the dollar goes south.
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No doubt the dollar has caused massive hassles but everything has gone up.
A new JetSki last year I wanted was $16,990 on special. Exact same model 12 months later is $18,990 because of the dollar. Same with cars, pro rata same sort of increases across the board.
The prices u quote for brand new Sterns Nino are way under realistic prices for a fully imported USA product with GST & import duties & various fees added for shipping & customs etc.
You cannot seriously expect people to sell a 2015/2016 model product for the same money that you are selling refurbished 25 year old DMD games that are B & C titles that are not absolutely mint or barely used.
There has always been a conflict of interests between any pinball company I have known of who makes it living from doing up old pinball machines.
The prices are way high for refurbished stock from the 90,s and the prices for Sterns are set far too low but never on offer.
I have not see one single pinball business do this properly except AMD who sell BNIB Sterns, refurb Sterns, and pin us from every other era. Their pricing a were never contradictory.
Joe from interstate has also juggled it well but no other business yet has set realistic prices in my opinion because they are firmly in one camp or the other but never both and hence that's where the pricing conflict starts and rarely ever gets addressed in a balanced why buy pin businesses who don't evenly embrace and market both the Stern products or the older stuff happily side by side.
I have seen it dozens of times and it just never works out to balanced pricing that is even close to reality.
(Lots spell mistakes cause I.phone & bit rushed).
Welcome to the luxury market where nothing is ever a bargain.
Earn more or buy less. That's the only choice unfortunately.
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For me pinball has an emotive side to it, I associate with Bally/Williams machines.
When I buy a B/W machine I know it will play now as it did then with no time lag due to code updates.
Stern will never have the emotive association for me; I would then categorise it as a purchase.
I would not buy a Stern machine at this juncture due to its business model (3 tier purchasing, code updates).
On a side note the first machine I remember playing was in the Downer fish and chip shop (1973); It was a Royal Guard by Gottlieb.
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In all honesty if Stern think they can price gouge indefinitely, then they'll get a rude surprise when production lines grind to a halt one by one. I've seen with companies like Bluescope etc shafting oz businesses with steel prices and then when the Chinese slowed, the reps were surprised when greeted with the ol' f@$k off, here's the door people like myself gave them. A lot of dollars went off shore with cheap shit steel purchases by my company.
Think you're smarter than your customers......um not a good idea.
When the bubble bursts, and it will, there will be a lot of sucking up to be made. If that's too late to make a difference, then its bye bye. Quite frankly it doesn't worry me if Stern go, as it won't make any difference to the hobby and if it did its only pinball.....makes no diff in my life, I'll find something else.
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^^Yep. Ignore your traditional core market for long enough and they'll move their dollars elsewhere permanently.
Home market is only going to go so far and last so long before saturation point.
Stern have always been a reactive, rather than a proactive company anyway.
I personally would have preferred to see them fold back in '99 with the rest of them. Then pinball could have had ten to fifteen years of breathing space to reinvent itself. As it stands they represent the entrenched boat anchor justification for many that prevents pinball from moving forward to appeal to the next generation.
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No doubt the dollar has caused massive hassles but everything has gone up.
A new JetSki last year I wanted was $16,990 on special. Exact same model 12 months later is $18,990 because of the dollar. Same with cars, pro rata same sort of increases across the board.
The prices u quote for brand new Sterns Nino are way under realistic prices for a fully imported USA product with GST & import duties & various fees added for shipping & customs etc.
You cannot seriously expect people to sell a 2015/2016 model product for the same money that you are selling refurbished 25 year old DMD games that are B & C titles that are not absolutely mint or barely used.
There has always been a conflict of interests between any pinball company I have known of who makes it living from doing up old pinball machines.
The prices are way high for refurbished stock from the 90,s and the prices for Sterns are set far too low but never on offer.
I have not see one single pinball business do this properly except AMD who sell BNIB Sterns, refurb Sterns, and pin us from every other era. Their pricing a were never contradictory.
Joe from interstate has also juggled it well but no other business yet has set realistic prices in my opinion because they are firmly in one camp or the other but never both and hence that's where the pricing conflict starts and rarely ever gets addressed in a balanced why buy pin businesses who don't evenly embrace and market both the Stern products or the older stuff happily side by side.
I have seen it dozens of times and it just never works out to balanced pricing that is even close to reality.
(Lots spell mistakes cause I.phone & bit rushed).
Welcome to the luxury market where nothing is ever a bargain.
Earn more or buy less. That's the only choice unfortunately.
In the 90's music CD's across the board, by all artists and record labels were priced around the $29 mark. Everyone left the prices up (Allen's, Brashes etc etc). Along came JB Hi Fi. They purchased exactly the same stock, at exactly the same price from exactly the same supplier. Their price was $23.99. Where are Brashes and Allen's these days (for that matter - everyone else).. So what was the big secret ? They MURDERED the opposition by buying more stock than everyone else and selling it cheaper.
Brashes - Sell 5 CDs a week for $29.99 - Lets say $10 profit.
JB - Sell 50 CDs a week for $23.99 - Let's say $4 profit.
So who is making more money ?
Brashes = $50
Jb Hi Fi = $200
Apply this to Stern - instead of making massive profits on low manufacturing numbers, why can't they lower their price and sell MORE volume ? There's no excuses here - they moved to a bigger plant, they employ more people, so they should be making more machines and more profits. A smart move would be to adopt the Jb Hi Fi model.
Case in point - anyone that thinks a machine costs US$6000 to make is kidding themselves. EVERYONE along the food chain is making money - the investors, the shareholders etc etc.. Stern are making a LOT of money making pinballs - first rule of business - if you are not making money then you won't survive very long !
Whats the difference between a Pro and an LE - a backglass, a plaque, a drop target here, and extra spinner there and a bash toy. HARDLY - $4000 worth. Then there's the extras - toppers, armor - Stern make a killing.
If Stern were realistic with their prices, and given how much I enjoy TWD LE and KISS LE (code permitting) - I would buy more games. If Stern dropped this 3 tier rubbish and made the LE the STANDARD - in line with everyone else before them, and sold them into the market for realistic prices (JB Hi Fi) they would be far far more successful, sell more games into homes and not create a price point where people are prepared to pay as much for a fully restored "A" or "B" title.
Recent Stern price hikes have created a mini rush for A, B, + C B/W titles as High End Restorations.
If Ghostbusters LE was $7500, Stern would make a killing. I'd buy one ^^^
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I'll just say this and I'm arguing Sterns price hikes, not currency rates which have nothing to do with increasing the usd price. Please answer this.
Why are old b/w pinballs sales going crazy and prices at stupid prices? I think......bnib prices too high otherwise you gotta agree new is trouble free.....yes? And secondly, people may prefer playing complete games re coding issue. There is also a possible third reason and I cannot backup with data or research but maybe creativity and fun factor. For me this is not so as I do like some Stern games but I'm hearing a lot of disappointment in taking stern not taking risks in introducing new innovations and tricks. All my car/pc/entertainment equipment purchases are based on improving my life, upgrading to be specific. Dunno if I've met anyone go out of their way to buy an XT computer by throwing away their current machine.....I could be wrong
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I'll just say this and I'm arguing Sterns price hikes, not currency rates which have nothing to do with increasing the usd price. Please answer this.
Why are old b/w pinballs sales going crazy and prices at stupid prices? I think......bnib prices too high otherwise you gotta agree new is trouble free.....yes? And secondly, people may prefer playing complete games re coding issue. There is also a possible third reason and I cannot backup with data or research but maybe creativity and fun factor. For me this is not so as I do like some Stern games but I'm hearing a lot of disappointment in taking stern not taking risks in introducing new innovations and tricks. All my car/pc/entertainment equipment purchases are based on improving my life, upgrading to be specific. Dunno if I've met anyone go out of their way to buy an XT computer by throwing away their current machine.....I could be wrong
First of all - where is the evidence that they are going for stupid prices ? Ebay ? Ebay is bait for an unsuspecting buyer that learns that after their first pinball purchase - they have been ripped off !
From my point of view, and within my business, I've signed up B/W titles as High End Restorations that are surpassing Stern's Pro and Premium prices. Pinheads are buying games that they played when they were young. They identify with a period of their life, and they have saved up enough to buy an example of that machine. In 10 years time, a present day collector will be asking me to do the same with an AC/DC etc.
The reason Stern don't innovate as in decades past, is because people are happy to pay the current prices. Having said that, and back on topic - the "under the playfield ramp" is considered an innovation - and it took Trudeau to come up with it !
The XT Computer analogy - I sold my Commodore 64 original games on disk and cartridge 20 years ago. Those cartridges are worth a fortune these days. I have a super rare COMX-35 Computer - very rare and worth a lot of money. It is like anything - it is collectible after a few years. An original IBM X86 would be woth a small fortune, and I'm sure some people would take the trip down memory lane and play the original Sim City..
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WH20 on Gumtree 7.5k claims he spent 13k on resto lol would someone actually spend that on a 90's pin? Is there enough to replace to actually spend 13k? Crazy.
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I'll just say this and I'm arguing Sterns price hikes, not currency rates which have nothing to do with increasing the usd price. Please answer this.
Why are old b/w pinballs sales going crazy and prices at stupid prices? I think......bnib prices too high otherwise you gotta agree new is trouble free.....yes? And secondly, people may prefer playing complete games re coding issue. There is also a possible third reason and I cannot backup with data or research but maybe creativity and fun factor. For me this is not so as I do like some Stern games but I'm hearing a lot of disappointment in taking stern not taking risks in introducing new innovations and tricks. All my car/pc/entertainment equipment purchases are based on improving my life, upgrading to be specific. Dunno if I've met anyone go out of their way to buy an XT computer by throwing away their current machine.....I could be wrong
First of all - where is the evidence that they are going for stupid prices ? Ebay ? Ebay is bait for an unsuspecting buyer that learns that after their first pinball purchase - they have been ripped off !
From my point of view, and within my business, I've signed up B/W titles as High End Restorations that are surpassing Stern's Pro and Premium prices. Pinheads are buying games that they played when they were young. They identify with a period of their life, and they have saved up enough to buy an example of that machine. In 10 years time, a present day collector will be asking me to do the same with an AC/DC etc.
The reason Stern don't innovate as in decades past, is because people are happy to pay the current prices. Having said that, and back on topic - the "under the playfield ramp" is considered an innovation - and it took Trudeau to come up with it !
The XT Computer analogy - I sold my Commodore 64 original games on disk and cartridge 20 years ago. Those cartridges are worth a fortune these days. I have a super rare COMX-35 Computer - very rare and worth a lot of money. It is like anything - it is collectible after a few years. An original IBM X86 would be woth a small fortune, and I'm sure some people would take the trip down memory lane and play the original Sim City..
so if I understand correctly pinball hobbyists are not for the pinball play but to relive the past. My bad as I play because I enjoy the concept of pinball. I won't buy an XT to watch a stationary human like figure slide across the screen and call it the olympic games or kings quest 1 where I can't make out what that blob is on the screen that will help me solve the puzzle and progress. Res evil on xbox one is more my style now. I get where you're coming from btw but think Stern's unwillingness to push the envelope is no helping to progress this industry. I like to be wowed and blown away by new things. Do you remember the "juggler" on the first ega systems. What a wank but it got me excited and watching. That's the actual thrill I'm yearning for to really spark a major buzz in this hobby. My opinion not everyone's.
For all the guys who take offence to people's posts that disagree with theirs. I consider Nino a mate, and respect his thoughts, but can disagree with him sometimes. I don't think he'll put me on ignore nor need to get nasty. ^^^
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Case in point - anyone that thinks a machine costs US$6000 to make is kidding themselves. EVERYONE along the food chain is making money - the investors, the shareholders etc etc.. Stern are making a LOT of money making pinballs - first rule of business - if you are not making money then you won't survive very long !
Whats the difference between a Pro and an LE - a backglass, a plaque, a drop target here, and extra spinner there and a bash toy. HARDLY - $4000 worth. Then there's the extras - toppers, armor - Stern make a killing.
If Stern were realistic with their prices, and given how much I enjoy TWD LE and KISS LE (code permitting) - I would buy more games. If Stern dropped this 3 tier rubbish and made the LE the STANDARD - in line with everyone else before them, and sold them into the market for realistic prices (JB Hi Fi) they would be far far more successful, sell more games into homes and not create a price point where people are prepared to pay as much for a fully restored "A" or "B" title.
Given the numbers (profits) involved, it also makes the idea of "negotiating" $50 off a shaker motor or half price shipping up the East coast of Australia really quite absurd in context.
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I'll just say this and I'm arguing Sterns price hikes, not currency rates which have nothing to do with increasing the usd price. Please answer this.
Why are old b/w pinballs sales going crazy and prices at stupid prices? I think......bnib prices too high otherwise you gotta agree new is trouble free.....yes? And secondly, people may prefer playing complete games re coding issue. There is also a possible third reason and I cannot backup with data or research but maybe creativity and fun factor. For me this is not so as I do like some Stern games but I'm hearing a lot of disappointment in taking stern not taking risks in introducing new innovations and tricks. All my car/pc/entertainment equipment purchases are based on improving my life, upgrading to be specific. Dunno if I've met anyone go out of their way to buy an XT computer by throwing away their current machine.....I could be wrong
I have been wondering about the cause of the price rises in both "classic" DMD and new Stern.
It would make sense that the prices rises of NIB games have gone up so much that the classic games have followed.
But as I recall it, the rise in the prices of classic games has been leading the way, with Stern following the lead and increasing their prices. I might have that wrong, be interested if anyone who has been actually following pricing over the last few years has some information.
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from what I believe the prices started going up when JJP came on the scene so Stern started to raise there prices a few hundred almost each new game release, then second hand sterns started to go up to stay $1-2k under a NIB and then overseas container pins followed suit but there is some crazy priced container pin prices now for 20-25 year old games. I could be wrong but pretty sure the AUD has remained similar to the Euro so the price shouldn't have gone up so much for the overseas purchase but more so the Aussie sellers raising prices to stay within reach of second hand sterns.
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from what I believe the prices started going up when JJP came on the scene so Stern started to raise there prices a few hundred almost each new game release, then second hand sterns started to go up to stay $1-2k under a NIB and then overseas container pins followed suit but there is some crazy priced container pin prices now for 20-25 year old games. I could be wrong but pretty sure the AUD has remained similar to the Euro so the price shouldn't have gone up so much for the overseas purchase but more so the Aussie sellers raising prices to stay within reach of second hand sterns.
So you think Stern started the price rises that then flowed through to the classic DMD's? Interesting. Strangeways will probably have a handle on this given he was bringing classic DMDs in through this period. Maybe for another thread as getting off topic, sorry Swinks!
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it is a little off topic but that is ok, interesting stuff but hence my other thread for Stern price watching has had me curious and watching for a while and then was a definite Stern change when JJP advertised WOZ pricing and then Stern raised prices and around that time classic DMD's B titles were $2750 to $3250 and now just getting cray.
http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=13571.0
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I'll just say this and I'm arguing Sterns price hikes, not currency rates which have nothing to do with increasing the usd price. Please answer this.
Why are old b/w pinballs sales going crazy and prices at stupid prices? I think......bnib prices too high otherwise you gotta agree new is trouble free.....yes? And secondly, people may prefer playing complete games re coding issue. There is also a possible third reason and I cannot backup with data or research but maybe creativity and fun factor. For me this is not so as I do like some Stern games but I'm hearing a lot of disappointment in taking stern not taking risks in introducing new innovations and tricks. All my car/pc/entertainment equipment purchases are based on improving my life, upgrading to be specific. Dunno if I've met anyone go out of their way to buy an XT computer by throwing away their current machine.....I could be wrong
First of all - where is the evidence that they are going for stupid prices ? Ebay ? Ebay is bait for an unsuspecting buyer that learns that after their first pinball purchase - they have been ripped off !
From my point of view, and within my business, I've signed up B/W titles as High End Restorations that are surpassing Stern's Pro and Premium prices. Pinheads are buying games that they played when they were young. They identify with a period of their life, and they have saved up enough to buy an example of that machine. In 10 years time, a present day collector will be asking me to do the same with an AC/DC etc.
The reason Stern don't innovate as in decades past, is because people are happy to pay the current prices. Having said that, and back on topic - the "under the playfield ramp" is considered an innovation - and it took Trudeau to come up with it !
The XT Computer analogy - I sold my Commodore 64 original games on disk and cartridge 20 years ago. Those cartridges are worth a fortune these days. I have a super rare COMX-35 Computer - very rare and worth a lot of money. It is like anything - it is collectible after a few years. An original IBM X86 would be woth a small fortune, and I'm sure some people would take the trip down memory lane and play the original Sim City..
so if I understand correctly pinball hobbyists are not for the pinball play but to relive the past. My bad as I play because I enjoy the concept of pinball. I won't buy an XT to watch a stationary human like figure slide across the screen and call it the olympic games or kings quest 1 where I can't make out what that blob is on the screen that will help me solve the puzzle and progress. Res evil on xbox one is more my style now. I get where you're coming from btw but think Stern's unwillingness to push the envelope is no helping to progress this industry. I like to be wowed and blown away by new things. Do you remember the "juggler" on the first ega systems. What a wank but it got me excited and watching. That's the actual thrill I'm yearning for to really spark a major buzz in this hobby. My opinion not everyone's.
For all the guys who take offence to people's posts that disagree with theirs. I consider Nino a mate, and respect his thoughts, but can disagree with him sometimes. I don't think he'll put me on ignore nor need to get nasty. ^^^
Almost every person that buys a machine from APR, buys that machine predominantly, as it is a game they used to play in the arcades and fish and chip shops. KISS fans (40's) bought Stern KISS. A Justin Beaver pinball would simply never sell more than a handful. People who buy late model Sterns are pinheads that already had games from previous time periods. I've never come across a pinball collector, that started collecting NIB Sterns. They are started from somewhere else.
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from what I believe the prices started going up when JJP came on the scene so Stern started to raise there prices a few hundred almost each new game release, then second hand sterns started to go up to stay $1-2k under a NIB and then overseas container pins followed suit but there is some crazy priced container pin prices now for 20-25 year old games. I could be wrong but pretty sure the AUD has remained similar to the Euro so the price shouldn't have gone up so much for the overseas purchase but more so the Aussie sellers raising prices to stay within reach of second hand sterns.
So you think Stern started the price rises that then flowed through to the classic DMD's? Interesting. Strangeways will probably have a handle on this given he was bringing classic DMDs in through this period. Maybe for another thread as getting off topic, sorry Swinks!
This thread is going a bit off topic, but the quick answer is that although both NIB and Container pins have increased in prices, the price increase of container pins is 100% due to greedy dealers listing $9500 "Fully done up" Twilight Zones that have been very poorly shopped. Once one dealer sees a TZ at $9500, they automatically adjust the price to that figure and now ALL dealers "think" TZ is a pinball they sell for $9500 all day long. Which is not true of course, but once the overseas suppliers check Aussie eBay - they see the games they are supplying are advertised at massive profits, so overnight, they increased their supplier price. Which in turn drives up the selling cost which introduces cost cutting in Australia.
The bubble for NIB Sterns will burst a lot sooner than the 25 year old pinball's bubble will..
But in 25 years time, collectors will be asking for Stern titles to be restored as they are the games they identify with as well.
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I agree with Nino on the price side of things.
I was an arcade man when I was young I never actually played a pinball machine until roughly 3 and a bit years ago. My time was the early 90's so Tekken 1, 2 and 3, Soul Edge/Calibur, Daytona, Manx TT, Virtua Fighter 2 and so on are my memory games.
I started to collect some of these games and thought it would be good to have a pinball machine for my game room (big mistake :lol) so I can say that price was a big factor in my purchases as I had no memory to draw from.
I played as many machines as I could and ended up buying a Shadow as I loved the gameplay and the mechanical toys (battlefield, ball lock and diverters) and mostly the price was right. I did not know or care (still don't) if I had a Bally, Stern, Data East or any other brand it was price and fun/theme that made my purchasing decisions.
If Stern has room to cut prices and I am sure they do sales would increase. $12500 for a LE now is way out of my price range, hell I got Batman Dark Knight, Twilight Zone and Shadow for less than that! I know it is a brand new machine but I can honestly say the three machines I mentioned have ran very well for the time I have had them.
I personally am very happy that I got all my machines when I did and I only have room for one more. Prices for most pins now are very expensive.
So Ghostbusters........looks like it will be a good pin. *)*
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would it be good if stern could release GB with a lcd, I reckon this then would be their best seller. Just look at what Dutch Pinball is doing with TBL
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sort back on to GB
would it be good if stern could release GB with a lcd, I reckon this then would be their best seller. Just look at what Dutch Pinball is doing with TBL
Wow, Jady. Get out of my head. I watched that video and thought the same thing. First thought when watching the video: it will be a crying shame if Stern waste this license on red dots. So many great clips from the Ghostbusters movie (hey, even both of them) to waste on boring red dots. Playing Game of Thrones recently you can tell that Stern are leading up to colour with all the video clips in the game, they just haven't made that next step.
I don't care what anyone says, new pinball displays need colour. You don't play the display, sure, but it makes it a hell of a lot more appealing.
I'd definitely buy a Lebowski if there was an Australian dealer. One of my favourite movies and that game just looks amazing. I don't feel comfortable with sending my money off to a company overseas and having to deal with getting a machine via a container. I just want to ring a distributor, pay my money and have TNT drop it off, drama free. Putting titles like Lebowski and Rob Zombie out of my head at the moment.
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sort back on to GB
would it be good if stern could release GB with a lcd, I reckon this then would be their best seller. Just look at what Dutch Pinball is doing with TBL
Wow, Jady. Get out of my head. I watched that video and thought the same thing. First thought when watching the video: it will be a crying shame if Stern waste this license on red dots. So many great clips from the Ghostbusters movie (hey, even both of them) to waste on boring red dots. Playing Game of Thrones recently you can tell that Stern are leading up to colour with all the video clips in the game, they just haven't made that next step.
I don't care what anyone says, new pinball displays need colour. You don't play the display, sure, but it makes it a hell of a lot more appealing.
I'd definitely buy a Lebowski if there was an Australian dealer. One of my favourite movies and that game just looks amazing. I don't feel comfortable with sending my money off to a company overseas and having to deal with getting a machine via a container. I just want to ring a distributor, pay my money and have TNT drop it off, drama free. Putting titles like Lebowski and Rob Zombie out of my head at the moment.
I was thinking today that Stern really should hold off on GB until they either go with a colour DMD or a new LCD / LED colour display. his title SCREAMS for a colour display.
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I don't think Stern would think like this. "People will buy Ghostbusters regardless". I'm just imagining some nice colour clips of Slimer in the game. That was a cool ghost effect for the 1980s.
The only other thing I can think of is a possible Stern mod in 12-18 months where they sell a colour display to swap out for their current titles.
I'm imagining their promo photos and videos in 12 months time. They're selling red dmd titles alongside their new colour display games. Will they have a mix of titles in the line up or keep the two separate?
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I don't think Stern would think like this. "People will buy Ghostbusters regardless". I'm just imagining some nice colour clips of Slimer in the game. That was a cool ghost effect for the 1980s.
The only other thing I can think of is a possible Stern mod in 12-18 months where they sell a colour display to swap out for their current titles.
I'm imagining their promo photos and videos in 12 months time. They're selling red dmd titles alongside their new colour display games. Will they have a mix of titles in the line up or keep the two separate?
I like the idea but really can't see that happening as it means a whole new programming session and they are already behind on code on a number of titles
colour would be cool but worried what price hikes we will see, lcd is cheaper but programming takes alot more effort
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Haha I think a price hike for colour will be just another excuse for the next price hike. There's been so many price hikes lately that they paid for colour display development costs years ago. :-p
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Pinball prices in Australia went stupid when almost overnight, 80 percent of the container importers stopped because there was a glut of 2nd hand DMD pins, the tax man & customs was into everyone , and only B and C stock were left cause A pins were depleted or were over priced Junkers.
Add the fact that people like Nino were pushing education about so called dealer hacks pretending to be restored, people wanting full Leds and full rubber kits and boards done properly, and the whole industry had to lift its game to get better money because people were Getty fussy and rightly so.
So now the prices are higher, but far too high. M
That's supply and demand cause most container importers stopped years ago now.
Stern pricing is Aus $ related, nothing to do with DMD pricing for 90 model fix ups. There are Stern bargains to be had. I negotiate every time and come away happy. I don't pay full tilt on anything In life. Start with delivery n shakers.
See what new titles are in overstocked. Ring around. Pay by cash not by card etc. get creative and ask for the best of the best deal. Find a friend who wants one, join your cash sales together etc etc. you can save big.
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Had another thought for BNIB prices going up other than the Aus $$.
People ordering sight unseen LE limited number editions just to get one & not miss out.
Stern must think they are on a Gold mine here.
I reckon the instant sold out 500 or 1000 units press without people seeing it causes the Pro stock & Premium stock to be also revalued by the money men at Stern.
This happens in any industry where demand massively outstrips supply.
The r tier system gives choice but is a cash cow.
HSV in AUSTRALIA has been doing this for twenty years and still it sells cars at crazy prices sight unseen so people don't miss out. Ford just did it with Mustang.
The LE prices are driving higher prices.
If their weren't Pro models to keep pricing somewhat realistic for operators and other home use only folks, the eradication of the three tier system would price the majority of us out of the game.
JJP has one model at LE and it's the price now of a body organ.
They need a Pro version badly.
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back on track - just finished a GB topper (purchased a real nice resin 7" slimer statue) with a custom base soon available at Shapeways with some comet pinball led strips
the statue is available here
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GHOSTBUSTERS-Slimer-7-Statue-Ikon-Collectables-NEW-/201449087495?hash=item2ee74d2207:g:n~QAAOSwKIpV-QYC
or at Zing Pop Culture for $58
http://zingpopculture.com.au/
bugger paying $600 to $900 for a Stern topper
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That's sensational Jady! @@*
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Apparently the movie is supposed to be released on 3rd March 2016 according to Facebook & the pre trailers getting around showing 10 seconds of an opening scene which says " Who you going to call?" And you see 50 Police cars and many military people all pointing assault rifles at something.
I am really hoping this movie is as good if not better than the original !
If the movie is great it will surely help pinball sales worldwide.
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Yes, because sequals, reboots, remakes of decades old movies have such a track record of working
Apparently the movie is supposed to be released on 3rd March 2016 according to Facebook & the pre trailers getting around showing 10 seconds of an opening scene which says " Who you going to call?" And you see 50 Police cars and many military people all pointing assault rifles at something.
I am really hoping this movie is as good if not better than the original !
If the movie is great it will surely help pinball sales worldwide.
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I am not sure what that meant. !@#
If the movie makes a lot of $ for the studio, then that's a success to the studio even if the movie is crap, but I can only say a movie is a success if it does the first movie justice, if not betters it.
As long as it helps to sell & promote pinball by being seen as a great movie which gets rave reviews than that's all that matters. More pinball sales & promotion the better.
I am looking forward to seeing both the pinball & the movie.
I hope it's a great success.
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back on track - just finished a GB topper (purchased a real nice resin 7" slimer statue) with a custom base soon available at Shapeways with some comet pinball led strips
the statue is available here
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GHOSTBUSTERS-Slimer-7-Statue-Ikon-Collectables-NEW-/201449087495?hash=item2ee74d2207:g:n~QAAOSwKIpV-QYC
or at Zing Pop Culture for $58
http://zingpopculture.com.au/
bugger paying $600 to $900 for a Stern topper
Custom made toppers always look great & add uniqueness.
Well done Jady.
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Pro has normal slings, left scoop, left captive balls, middle top Neuton ball, right scoop changed to a catch saucer. No subway ramp on Pro. All models have the 2 brothers single drop targets.
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back on track - just finished a GB topper (purchased a real nice resin 7" slimer statue) with a custom base soon available at Shapeways with some comet pinball led strips
the statue is available here
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GHOSTBUSTERS-Slimer-7-Statue-Ikon-Collectables-NEW-/201449087495?hash=item2ee74d2207:g:n~QAAOSwKIpV-QYC
or at Zing Pop Culture for $58
http://zingpopculture.com.au/
bugger paying $600 to $900 for a Stern topper
Thanks looks amazing, Jady. Much better than anything Stern will come up with at 10% the cost. Well done !
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PROOOOOOOOOO - looks sweet ^^^
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apparently the reveal is a matter of days away
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
Premium is supposed to be a Stay Puft one but apparently won't be released until all the LE's are sold and could be like WWE where LE's are still waiting to be sold, I reckon the pro cab art captures everything
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
Premium is supposed to be a Stay Puft one but apparently won't be released until all the LE's are sold and could be like WWE where LE's are still waiting to be sold, I reckon the pro cab art captures everything
Yeah the pro does very look nice :) one thing I miss with the pro's is color changing LED's and of course the extra toys :) so I'll wait for premium hopefully it's released. I'm thinking this'll be a big seller.
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Looks very cool.
Not much left for Stern to reveal Jady with all the great info you've shared %$% ^^^
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I am sure there is plenty for Stern to still show. Even though I had all this info for a while I never shared until it was leaked elsewhere and was available on a net search.
All these bits were leaked officially or unofficially by Stern back in October and heard that some things have changed a bit but that's it from me.
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
Nice one Pete! ^^^
I must admit I am also keen to see this one.
Just looking at some of the quotes/references on the playfield inserts brought back some great memories of this classic film!
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Amazing artwork - I think it captures the license theme exceptionally well.
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+1. Thx Jady for the great updates.
Just waiting to see if your name is on the design team *%*
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
Nice one Pete! ^^^
I must admit I am also keen to see this one.
Just looking at some of the quotes/references on the playfield inserts brought back some great memories of this classic film!
I'm happy to wait for the premium to be released :) hopefully any bugs are ironed out and the code is up to scratch lol
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It's does look dam nice :) I'm thinking Premium
Nice one Pete! ^^^
I must admit I am also keen to see this one.
Just looking at some of the quotes/references on the playfield inserts brought back some great memories of this classic film!
They have to sell out of LE's before committing to Premium. You would think that they would sell 500 LE's with that art package, and Trudeau's design ?
I'm happy to wait for the premium to be released :) hopefully any bugs are ironed out and the code is up to scratch lol
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+1. Thx Jady for the great updates.
Just waiting to see if your name is on the design team *%*
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how I wish, but started on mine now which will have some unique features
but looking forward to this game
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ooooh #@#
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Nice one ^^^
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ooooh #@#
Nice one ^^^
+1 very cool
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Nice Flips Jady.
For me this would be a great pin to bring back the night glow of Viper with updated LED strips sunk into the cab like the chase lights on STLE.
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I received an email earlier today about pinball trade-ins and half way down the message it says rumored "Ghostbusters" coming mid may. #@#
Hmmm did anybody else get this email?
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As mentioned above, the glow balls and black lighting effect used on Viper Night Driving could be awesome if used on Ghostbustets or any new Stern pin of done right but seeing ghosts when the machine goes into black n white mode only would be a great feature.
I have a Viper Night Drivin Sega 1999 model & trying to explain how awesome it looks when the black lights come on & everything else goes off and the insane effect you get is almost impossible to describe til u have seen it in person.
It's like having two totally different pinball machines in one it is so different.
It's like having a colour TV one second and then a black n white TV the next for a few minutes. It then changes back into colour mode again and you think just how cool and different and how unique it all is whilst having bright yellow glow in the dark lightweight pinballs flying around.
If Ghost Busters incorporated this it would be awesome but I don't think anyone would have remembered it from Viper Znight Drivin and put 2 and 2 together.
Let's see what magic happens. Maybe stuff on the cabinet and playfield will glow in the dark when the lights are off. Surely something different has been incorporated ?
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I received an email earlier today about pinball trade-ins and half way down the message it says rumored "Ghostbusters" coming mid may. #@#
Hmmm did anybody else get this email?
Yes - I received this email this morning. Interesting to see AMD jumping into the second hand market.
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AMD have always traded and sold 2nd hand pinball machines of every manufacturer.
Quite often they will have fully reconditioned machines out back on display with prices and available to play.
Their stock comes from site operators and collectors who have traded in or just sold outright.
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imagine if Stern have this planed for the LE and possible Premium - possible hologram - they even a slimer
https://www.facebook.com/sciencedump/videos/1225032930858475/?comment_id=1259329617428806¬if_t=comment_mention
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imagine if Stern have this planed for the LE and possible Premium - possible hologram - they even a slimer
https://www.facebook.com/sciencedump/videos/1225032930858475/?comment_id=1259329617428806¬if_t=comment_mention
How awesome would that be? Cost would be an issue I would suspect though Jady.
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Custom topper idea.
Even basic projection stuff appearing on the roof or wall near the machine would work til the holographic stuff comes out.
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imagine if Stern have this planed for the LE and possible Premium - possible hologram - they even a slimer
https://www.facebook.com/sciencedump/videos/1225032930858475/?comment_id=1259329617428806¬if_t=comment_mention
Looks great, mate.
Too bad it would never fit into Stern's cutback BOM mentality.
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Perhaps when this technology is affordable worldwide, maybe the entire pinball industry may adopt it.
That would be a awesome technology to have on all pinball machines.
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We'd be lucky to see Pepper's ghost incorporated into a Stern GB machine (let alone a hologram Slimer) and that technology is over 400 years old.
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Did u once apply for a job with Stern & get knocked back ?
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No. I found out they only hire illiterates so I put your name down instead.
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No. I found out they only hire illiterates so I put your name down instead.
Or min wage Mexicans.
%$%
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Full page add in the most recent Replay Magazine
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No. I found out they only hire illiterates so I put your name down instead.
I got hired years ago. Before you got to work out what illiterate meant. %.%
And they only hire nice positive people at Stern !
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Full page add in the most recent Replay Magazine
Good find Jady !
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Full page add in the most recent Replay Magazine
Yeah saw this on pinside last night game release shouldn't be far off-guy on pinside also said there's export Pro's finished and ready to ship maybe there's AMD's ??
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I think a Italian distributor contacted Jonathon and notified him of pins being present at a comp mid March in Italy, but would be nice if a few coming to Aus early as seems to be the trend with at least one game a year that a Stern game is being played in Aus before the USA get to play it.
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I think a Italian distributor contacted Jonathon and notified him of pins being present at a comp mid March in Italy, but would be nice if a few coming to Aus early as seems to be the trend with at least one game a year that a Stern game is being played in Aus before the USA get to play it.
I was hoping they where for AMD-Gary Stern is in New Zealand next weekend for Pincade(awesome event) and I was hoping he may come to Aussie for a GB launch :) maybe wishful thinking lol I really want one but I'll wait to see pics first and see how far along code is :) I'm still waiting for KISS code lol
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a Pinsider saw the game in the flesh (so to speak) and shared these thoughts
"The playfield layout was similar to what's been leaked with some differences, some of which are pro vs LE differences and some were design changes from what's been seen before. I will say it was, to me, the best art package I've seen in a long time."
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a Pinsider saw the game in the flesh (so to speak) and shared these thoughts
"The playfield layout was similar to what's been leaked with some differences, some of which are pro vs LE differences and some were design changes from what's been seen before. I will say it was, to me, the best art package I've seen in a long time."
Nice :) I'm really looking forward to the art :)
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The trailer for the reboot is out and it looks terrible.
What a farkin stinker this is going to be, avoid at all costs.
This guy sums it up perfectly!
Language warning for the easily offended.
*%*
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The trailer for the reboot is out and it looks terrible.
What a farkin stinker this is going to be, avoid at all costs.
This guy sums it up perfectly!
Language warning for the easily offended.
*%*
Is there anything you like Daz ! Hope you are well & all the best for 2016 mate.
What isn't a stinker when it comes to pinball ?
What's bad about this movie so far Daz. Interested to see your perspective.
I know u like family, guitars & music & technogy etc.
But what do u like about Pinball or the current pinball industry ?
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I was talking about the rebooted movie not the game, it looks like utter tripe and I stick by that. *%*
The game does look interesting, I hope it's a great player.
Reveal the bloody thing already!
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All good.
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I actually thought the trailer was quite funny and really like that FAT CHICK, whatever her name is. McCarthy I think !@#
I hope to get a few laughs when released.
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I actually thought the trailer was quite funny and really like that FAT CHICK, whatever her name is. McCarthy I think !@#
I hope to get a few laughs when released.
Fatties are always good for a laugh, regardless of gender.
As long as the "technogy" isn't all CGI and they incorporate some old school effects it should be awesome.
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I actually thought the trailer was quite funny and really like that FAT CHICK, whatever her name is. McCarthy I think !@#
I hope to get a few laughs when released.
McCathy was a classic in that cop movie - "The Heat", wife and I killed ourselves with the jabs at the albino guy "are you alright, you're looking a little pale"
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Going by the flyer and leaked photos (no longer a big secret), the game refers to the original movies, not the reboot. I think the pinball is simply timing it's release wit the reboot, but not paying homage to it.
I'm keen to see the game.
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Hopefully reveal isn't far off :) really looking forward to seeing this :)
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Stern's facebook page has gone black which normally means a reveal very soon, and that apparently samples are in europe for a comp this weekend so reckon in the next 48 hours we might have a release.
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$#$ oooooooohhhhhhhh @@*
is this the title to beat acca dacca in Aus? Dunno but it has me going @.@
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here are the pics and looks nice
PRO - sort of - just realised the playfield here is a Premium,
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LE
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more
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last one
replacing the flippers with mine
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info from IGN
The best kept secret has been unveiled finally. IGN has posted pics and a video of the new Ghost Busters Pinball by Stern. I think everyone knew this was coming. The play field looks packed with toys and the artwork looks great. Three models will be introduced, Pro, Premium, and Limited Edition. Ghost Busters was designed by Creature of the Black Lagoon, Mustang, and Black Rose designer John Trudeau. The play field and side artwork was done be Zombie Eddie. The traditional DMD has not been replaced by an LCD screen. I can't wait to see and play this game in person. Check back for more information as it comes about Ghost Busters pinball.
Here are some key elements from the article by IGN.
Ghostbusters was designed by John Trudeau, who designed classic pinball machines like Creature from the Black Lagoon and Bride of Pinbot.
When you hit Slimer he “slimes” the playfield, turning a bunch of the led lamps green. In this mode you have to shoot targets to clean up the slime.
Ghostbusters pinball features something called “para-normal magnetic action slingshots” which we want to know more about.
The playfield and other artwork features the likenesses of Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Harold Ramis, Ernie Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, and Rick Moranis.
The Scoleri Brothers appear as targets that pop out of the open middle playfield.
This backglass will feature a dot matrix display, not a full LCD display. Although Dankberg told us that “[Stern] will be releasing LCD display technology this year.”
Hardcore Ghostbusters references are included in the art, like references to Tobin's Spirit Guide and the Van Horne Pneumatic Transit subway system. These people really like Ghostbusters.
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launch article and video here
http://au.ign.com/articles/2016/03/10/ghostbusters-pinball-machine-announced-by-stern-pinball
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Is there a Ghostbuster pinball machine?
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playfield comparision - sad the pro actually lost the second ramp
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cabinet comparison
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a guy merged a few shots and helps understand the pro
the premium and le have the second ramp which is the cross over and the pro has a shot to replace the cross over ramp to a lock ramp next to the other ramp
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prices haven't changed with this release, let';s see what AMD does
prices are US MSRP
March 2016 / Ghostbusters / Pro / $5995
March 2016 / Ghostbusters / Premium / $7595
March 2016 / Ghostbusters / LE / $8795
January 2016 / Spiderman VE (Comic Version) / $7595
September 2015 / Game of Thrones / Pro / $5995
September 2015 / Game of Thrones / Premium / $7595
September 2015 / Game of Thrones / LE / $8795
May 2015 / Kiss / Pro / $5995
May 2015 / Kiss / Premium / $7595
May 2015 / Kiss / LE / $8795
March / 2015 / Whoa Nellie / Boutique / $6499
January / 2015 / WWE / Pro / $5495
January / 2015 / WWE / LE / $8595
December / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Premium / $7595
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / Pro / $5995
September / 2014 / The Walking Dead / LE / $8595
August / 2014 / Metallica / Pro LED / $5595
June / 2014 / Iron Man VE / Pro / $5495
March / 2014 / Mustang / Pro / $5395
March / 2014 / Mustang / Premium / $7495
March / 2014 / Mustang / LE / $8495
December / 2013 / AC/DC Luci Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Pro / $5395
September / 2013 / Star Trek / Premium / $7495
September / 2013 / Star Trek / LE / $8795
April / 2013 / Metallica / Pro / $4995
April / 2013 / Metallica / Premium / $6995 (Monsters & Road Case)
April / 2013 / Metallica / LE / $7595
November / 2012 / Avengers / Pro / $5699
November / 2012 / Avengers / LE (2 models) / $8099
October / 2012 / Transformers "The Pin" / $4000
June / 2012 / X-Men / Pro / $5699
June / 2012 / X-Men / LE (2 models) / $7999
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Pro / $5699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / Premium / $7699
March / 2012 / AC/DC / LE (2 models) / $8499
September / 2011 / Transformer / Pro / $4795
September / 2011 / Transformer / LE (3 models ?) / $6999
May / 2011 / Tron / Pro / $4799
May / 2011 / Tron / LE / $5999
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / Pro / $4799
January / 2011 / Rolling Stones / LE / $5999
August / 2011 / Avatar / Pro / $4799
August / 2011 / Avatar / LE / $5999
LE's did not really exist before Avatar
April / 2010 / IronMan / Pro / $4799
April / 2010 / IronMan / Classic (Home) / $3799
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$12K for the LE at todays exchange rate.. that's if you are a currency trader. Lesser mortals via a bank etc would get a lower rate than that.
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Considering Stern poor after sales service, I couldn't justify 12K+ expenditure.
I'm using Kiss and WWE as a reference point; as for GOT the general consensus is that the code updates have been causing more problems than they fix (see pinside).
Before I get branded an Anti-Stern person; I want VFM and after sales service.
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On first glance I like it. It looks like an interesting layout and artwork.
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Look like a technicolour yawn! I like it ^^^
I see beauty in ugliness
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The LE looks the goods.. slime running down the side from the side rails is a nice touch and makes the cab look like a complete design rather than a bitser.
Be interesting to see how it plays.. but losing a whole ramp on the Pro?.. Gee that's a bit harsh and at first thought would completely change the game
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Not too shabby Stern, have to admit. Plenty of playfield toys, just hope the game rules (and eventual code) can fully utilise them.
But put the LE playfield inside the Pro cabinet with the Premium translite.
Check the pic - do we tell them or let it go through to production like Spiderman? !*!
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I think I saw that and that is on the LE only, I think
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Impressive. I love the green trim on the LE.
Trudeau has done what appears to be a very interesting design. The only thing I see that I don't like are the cloudy plastic ramps.
I really hope Stern does well with this title - it looks amazing. Can't wait to play it - but that's what I most dislike about the 3 tiered model - I most likely won't play an LE unless a collector I know buys it. If I had a spare $12,000 lying around, I would pull the trigger. Just have to get my head around the code will be bare on release.
So far - @@* @@* @@* @@* @@*
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I'm told that AMD have NOT increased the pricing. Not sure if that is for all 3 models. Just have to wait and see.
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We all knew he would have his say.
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Game does looks insanely good to me, fingers crossed it plays accordingly.
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What's this interactive hologram thing. Anyone see any game play?
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it's the Ecto Goggles component, see the picture below as has a simulated ghost in the round glass but what is supposed to happen is you need to find particular ghosts and they appear in the see through round glass and maybe the lcd screen that reflects the image is behind the Ecto Goggles plastic / bracket
also Nino you mentioned the cloudy ramp, a insider said it is a proto ramp so should be much clearer
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photo 1 - pro and premium comparison, even though the pro is missing some features it still is a full looking game
le comparison - the art is really nice on this game especially when compared to GoT, though Kiss is very iconic and looks cool
and then the stat comparison
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Absolutely...looks the goods to me.
Is a rich mans toy though..
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Absolutely...looks the goods to me.
Is a rich mans toy though..
I do shiver a bit at the thought of the price, I'm far from being rich but hey you only live once. It could be worse I guess, there are way more expensive toys and hobbies to throw coin at.
Lets hope the gameplay lives up to the reveal.
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Why rush?
they should do more than one run of premiums
you can sit back and see if it is a good game before you order one
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Absolutely...looks the goods to me.
Is a rich mans toy though..
I do shiver a bit at the thought of the price, I'm far from being rich but hey you only live once. It could be worse I guess, there are way more expensive toys and hobbies to throw coin at.
Lets hope the gameplay lives up to the reveal.
If I spent $12500 on a pinball, id have to spend $12500 on whatever my wife wanted.
This is a $25K machine for me! ^%^
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Why rush?
they should do more than one run of premiums
you can sit back and see if it is a good game before you order one
Yeah good call, I am in no rush....as long as there are no more price rises on future runs.
I should have added that i'm not committing to purchase right now.
No buying until I have played it as usual.
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Thanks mate helps heaps. I think the Premium/LE is a more complete/interesting game layout/features
I agree, the hologram, extra ramp and the subway ramp alone make it a no brainer for me. If the code is in good shape come shipping time I might just break my no more nib policy.
Absolutely...looks the goods to me.
Is a rich mans toy though..
I do shiver a bit at the thought of the price, I'm far from being rich but hey you only live once. It could be worse I guess, there are way more expensive toys and hobbies to throw coin at.
Lets hope the gameplay lives up to the reveal.
If I spent $12500 on a pinball, id have to spend $12500 on whatever my wife wanted.
This is a $25K machine for me! ^%^
Ouch!
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Well wifey purchased waaaaay more than the $12k so going by your logic I should have change left over for a metallica premium *.*
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would love a premium but just can't afford it, but definitely very keen for a Pro though really wanted the subway ramp and cross over ramp but at least appears to have more to it than GoT
a snap from the video of the under playfield ramp
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If I spent $12500 on a pinball, id have to spend $12500 on whatever my wife wanted.
This is a $25K machine for me! ^%^
Feel your pain....... *%*
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live game play in 3 days time
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rule card
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a mate of mine who does This Flippin Podcast - Tommy is interviewing Trudeau tomorrow morning their time I think so we might be able to download and listen tomorrow morning - depends on the mixing time frame
https://www.facebook.com/This-Flippin-Podcast-1034214746618821/
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ultimate tease - test play but we can't see the playfield - sounds great
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153974139089244/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video
got the word from John himself in regards to the right ramp entrance as rumour was you could go for a right ramp and ball comes down the left ramp - "The Pro ramp entrance from the right only goes up to the top curve. There's a gate to stop it. It free falls back to the flipper."
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If you listen at around the 1:30 mark of the video it sounds like there is an in game video mode based on the ESP Zener card scene from GB1.
Good posts swinks, keep us up to date on first hand info.
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for those interested Jerry Thomson did the audio and a friend of his composed all the original music - Shawn Myers
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After looking at pictures for a few days this games looks amazing :) a real work of art :) craps all over the Alien clip art . Just gotta wait until the end of July for the premiums.
Love this guy he speaks the truth
https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/kanedas-pinball-podcast/id1073821815?mt=2&i=364609098
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Kids Just Wanna Have Fun have prices up.
Pro-$8150
Prem-$10650
LE-$12350
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My mates in NZ for Pincade best pin meet ever :) Gary Stern is there to and he got a flyer signed for me :) thx Troy.
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Go the Pro. Best value for money & affordable.
So far this looks great. Just want to see full translite & cabinet arts.
Sterns sales brochure release date shld be very soon.
This might play well. Callouts and audio and dmd interactions will have to be spot on and well tied together to make this a great game.
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Go the Pro. Best value for money & affordable.
So far this looks great. Just want to see full translite & cabinet arts.
Sterns sales brochure release date shld be very soon.
This might play well. Callouts and audio and dmd interactions will have to be spot on and well tied together to make this a great game.
sounds like your sitting on the fence, also the translites and cab art is out, audio is awesome based on todays teaser and got a message from today and he is wrapped and stated it was a lot of fun to play - Jack Danger plays it on the 15th on twitch so we will know soon enough if not before.
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The Premium represents the best value for money imo on most Stern titles.
The features that are not on the pro on this game are a pretty big difference for me.
Lets see what Danger Dude can show us with this upcoming playfest.
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This game looks great so far.
But Stern please, please stop using this Jack Danger guy! Can't stand him and I would much rather see the designer playing it.
Will wait for a 'proper' video....
My vent for today! :lol
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This game looks great so far.
But Stern please, please stop using this Jack Danger guy! Can't stand him and I would much rather see the designer playing it.
Will wait for a 'proper' video....
My vent for today! :lol
Gotta agree Michael :) I'd like to see a top player someone like Lyman Sheets put it through its paces.
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The Premium represents the best value for money imo on most Stern titles.
The features that are not on the pro on this game are a pretty big difference for me.
^This. You actually get the complete intended game and you don't have to pay an additional $2k over and above for powdercoated rails, a numbered plaque and a laminated certificate.
Still not as stark as the GoT or ACDC differences between Prem and Pro, but missing an entire ramp all the same.
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Unless I missed someone mentioning the link,
www.pinballnews.com
Has a great article on Ghost Busyers & many many in depth High Def photos.
Great guy with a great passion for pinball,
Martin from Pinballnews does it again !
Stern have done a great job.
The pro looks great but the LE with the green slime colour looks fantastic !
The playfield colours on all the models look sensational.
I wonder what a Pro with slime green metal work would look like.
The purples a free colours
How many here are seriously thinking about buying ?
Looks great !! Very happy
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also the translites and cab art is out, audio is awesome based on todays teaser and got a message from today and he is wrapped and stated it was a lot of fun to play - Jack Danger plays it on the 15th on twitch so we will know soon enough if not before.
Thanks to swinks he kept the forum in the loop on the latest release pics. ^^^
The real test as you said though will be if the ruleset matches the hype, particularly with the predicted rudimentary code.
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Hopefully learn a bit more with Trudeau's interview in the next 1-2 days and then the twitch tv live show 15th/16th
interesting what was said on the C2C podcast when nate spoke with Jody about the le and premium slingshots as just has a switch underneath and then 2 magnets placed side by side between the slings so when a sling is hit the switch relays to activate a magnet under the playfield. They said they can add some unique movement with a ball hitting the switch and bouncing back out and then the magnet can then do all different things but one is return the ball back to the same sling with out hitting anything else - like the ghost is moving it.
my concern is hopefully it doesn't wear the art on the playfiled - time will tell or maybe use some mylar in between the slings ???
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
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Unless I missed someone mentioning the link,
www.pinballnews.com
Has a great article on Ghost Busyers & many many in depth High Def photos.
Great guy with a great passion for pinball,
Martin from Pinballnews does it again !
Stern have done a great job.
The pro looks great but the LE with the green slime colour looks fantastic !
The playfield colours on all the models look sensational.
I wonder what a Pro with slime green metal work would look like.
The purples a free colours
How many here are seriously thinking about buying ?
Looks great !! Very happy
Yeah it's a great article mate I think I read it on AA or pinside :) There's so many photos and links all over the net it's hard to keep up :) GB has certainly attracted alot of attention, I'm going to wait but I'd love a premium hopefully one day lol
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I will probably go for it but I'm hoping it will be better than metallica cuz I really enjoy the flow and gimmicks/toys of met. I only take calculated risks but am trying to convince myself to just go for it and see what happens. Hopefully I don't come unstuck if I do go for it. ^&^
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
I can't afford a LE or Premium so I am jumping in for a Pro - my first NIB
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
I can't afford a LE or Premium so I am jumping in for a Pro - my first NIB
@@* well done swinks doesn't matter what one you get, a nib is still a nib.
I might have to buy some GB mods off you soon.
You have to tell Tommy that your getting one, it will kill him that two of us will have one. Lol
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Didn't think of that && swinsky and gb, he'll be modding like hell, but where will fit stuff on this game. It looks modded to max already !@#
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mods
won't be alot but a few things:
- black mirror blades, still have one set left && and reckon they will be perfect for this
- one slimer topper already done and waiting
- PKE flipper bats, have a second version ready to get made
- have the plunger plate already designed but might change tact there
- as might do a chromed ghostbuster logo plunger rod
- have a firestation led ghostbuster sign already designed and made to, but won't really suit the front on the building but might install to the side of the building over the ramp entrance ??
- depends if stern has a library molded toy as a optional purchase o/ mod otherwise I will design one or a library desk
- do a more authentic 3D looking firestation building
beautiful looking game and I like Trudeau games and we have written a few times and he ensures me the pro is alot of fun and a challenge
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
I can't afford a LE or Premium so I am jumping in for a Pro - my first NIB
@@* well done swinks doesn't matter what one you get, a nib is still a nib.
I might have to buy some GB mods off you soon.
You have to tell Tommy that your getting one, it will kill him that two of us will have one. Lol
Tommy already knows, we have been chatting about it for months.... ^^^
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mods
won't be alot but a few things:
- black mirror blades, still have one set left && and reckon they will be perfect for this
- one slimer topper already done and waiting
- PKE flipper bats, have a second version ready to get made
- have the plunger plate already designed but might change tact there
- as might do a chromed ghostbuster logo plunger rod
- have a firestation led ghostbuster sign already designed and made to, but won't really suit the front on the building but might install to the side of the building over the ramp entrance ??
- depends if stern has a library molded toy as a optional purchase o/ mod otherwise I will design one or a library desk
- do a more authentic 3D looking firestation building
beautiful looking game and I like Trudeau games and we have written a few times and he ensures me the pro is alot of fun and a challenge
is that all you've done, what have you been doing all this time sheeez. %.%
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I haven't done the last 2 but very keen to
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Swinks...... Do you have a photo of the black mirror blades on a pin?
I think the buildings on the popbumpers need some lights in them, if they don't already have some.
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black mirrors in a TAF and Tron
I like the chrome mirror but think like TAF, Tron adn have a set ready for Creature black is more of a subtle mirror blade, compliments the cabinet black sides but reflects some lights etc
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I'd like to see a top player someone like Lyman Sheets put it through its paces.
Actually it would be better for potential buyers to have a person who had no pecuniary interest involved play it and give an objective review.
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Danger is a decent player and last time Jody was the one I didn't want to watch as just was over trying and uncomfortable to watch, but Dwight the programmer is keen to play along side of Danger so I think it would be good and I agree with Pinsanity as yes it would be cool to see Lyman but someone new to the game would be great to see and sure over the next week we will see alot of different people playing it.
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Actually it would be better for potential buyers to have a person who had no pecuniary interest involved play it and give an objective review.
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Man I had to look that up
pecuniary
relating to or consisting of money.
"he admitted obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception"
synonyms: financial, monetary, money, fiscal, economic, capital, commercial, budgetary
"he was free from all pecuniary anxieties"
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
Congratulations. Well done. The LE looks amazing.
Whatever you get you have picked a beauty.
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Well done Swinksy as well.
Customising a Pro could look amazing. Purples and bright greens can be added to great effect.
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black mirrors in a TAF and Tron
I like the chrome mirror but think like TAF, Tron adn have a set ready for Creature black is more of a subtle mirror blade, compliments the cabinet black sides but reflects some lights etc
How long do you think it will be before Stern add official factory authorised mirror blades to their shop for $400 a set, swinks? !*!
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black mirrors in a TAF and Tron
I like the chrome mirror but think like TAF, Tron adn have a set ready for Creature black is more of a subtle mirror blade, compliments the cabinet black sides but reflects some lights etc
How long do you think it will be before Stern add official factory authorised mirror blades to their shop for $400 a set, swinks? !*!
I don't think they would do mirror blades as they are a pain to transport and many distributors already source them locally and offer fitted in a game for a price though not advertised. AMD get their own made (got the design from me) and sell and fit for customers.
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black mirrors in a TAF and Tron
I like the chrome mirror but think like TAF, Tron adn have a set ready for Creature black is more of a subtle mirror blade, compliments the cabinet black sides but reflects some lights etc
How long do you think it will be before Stern add official factory authorised mirror blades to their shop for $400 a set, swinks? !*!
I don't think they would do mirror blades as they are a pain to transport and many distributors already source them locally and offer fitted in a game for a price though not advertised. AMD get their own made (got the design from me) and sell and fit for customers.
True. And I guess if they did source from a third party they would use it as justification to add that on to the retail price as well.
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
Congratulations. Well done. The LE looks amazing.
Whatever you get you have picked a beauty.
Thanks Caveoftreasures. I have ordered the LE.
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interview with Trudeau
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-18-ghostbusters-spectacular-a-chat-with-mr-trudeau_73294
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Heaps of photos and 3 different videos on Facebook today.
Machine looks beautiful in LE and pretty good in Pro.
I think the Pro needs custom bright purple metal work or even some green slime added.
Hard to say til I see in person.
Factory topper ? Waiting to see if that's a option ?
Play field on these machines look dam good. So many colours and coloured toys. Sensational.
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interview with Trudeau
http://www.podcastgarden.com/episode/episode-18-ghostbusters-spectacular-a-chat-with-mr-trudeau_73294
Interesting to listen to.
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yeah only listened to the interview at this point and Trudeau seems like a really nice guy, down to earth and interesting that he had the idea for the subway ramp for 10 years and waiting for the chance to use it. Also interesting that he is on his next game joining forces with Zombie Yeti again.
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It was good of the interviewer to ask the same question to John Trudeau that was posed to Steve Ritchie a few days ago in terms of which machine is designed first - the Pro or Premium/LE and clarify exactly what goes on behind the scenes at Stern HQ as well.
For the record, at the 27 minute mark the question and answer is as follows:
Q: In terms of design for your machines, do you start with the LE and remove features or do you start with the Pro and add features?
A: The first one is true. It is far more easier to take something out later than to design into an existing space. So I design LE's first...ALWAYS (JT's emphasis).
With two current Stern designers now confirming that the LE is designed first and then having features removed for the Pro that this can finally clear up any nagging persistent myths about exactly what goes on with the design of Stern's 3 tiered pinball machines.
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Great interview really looking forward to Jack Dangers video and a play myself :)
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Dunno if I'm classed as a stern hater, but my pocket is much lighter as of today and now will wait for June to come around for an LE delivery
A little apprehensive buying site unseen gameplay but wtf.
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Dunno if I'm classed as a stern hater, but my pocket is much lighter as of today and now will wait for June to come around for an LE delivery
A little apprehensive buying site unseen gameplay but wtf.
Cool, by the time it arrives the code should be well advanced
Nothing beats the smell of a NIB, :)
It will be a long 3 months
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Paid deposit for Pro and May arrival. BOOM! :-)
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I've been patient with my wife for over 30 years, this should be a piece of cake.......only joking she's the one who made the purchase for me ^^^
The Trudeau interview sealed the deal, sounds like he has put a bit of care into this one.
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Congrats Rob & Adam on your purchases :) they sure look nice.
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Congrats Rob & Adam on your purchases :) they sure look nice.
thanks Peter ^^^
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Well done Mr and Mrs P.God Looks like i might need to invite myself over once you have the GBLE in the house. Enjoy your NIB
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Well done Mr and Mrs P.God Looks like i might need to invite myself over once you have the GBLE in the house. Enjoy your NIB
Always welcome mate, Mr & Mrs MartyJ can put up some fine scores for me to try and beat over the journey *%*
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Congrats Rob & Adam on your purchases :) they sure look nice.
thanks Peter ^^^
+1 well done guy! $#$
Looks like it's going to be an awesome game!
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Congrats Rob & Adam on your purchases :) they sure look nice.
thanks Peter ^^^
+1 well done guy! $#$
Looks like it's going to be an awesome game!
will have to get the stern western subs boys over and maybe an Albury guy????
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Congrats Rob & Adam on your purchases :) they sure look nice.
thanks Peter ^^^
+1 well done guy! $#$
Looks like it's going to be an awesome game!
will have to get the stern western subs boys over and maybe an Albury guy????
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I'm in!
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oooh nice one - congratulations on the purchase!
LE really does look like its the goods..
Well done mate ^^^ ^^^
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oooh nice one - congratulations on the purchase!
LE really does look like its the goods..
Well done mate ^^^ ^^^
much appreciated Gav <..>
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rule sheets
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3 more
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Jack Danger is doing the broadcast via his Dead Flip Channel on Twitch, at 9am NSW time today
https://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip/profile
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on the assembly line pics
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/posts/10153991092174244
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#*# just officially ordered my first NIB Pro #*#
stoked, coming May
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#*# just officially ordered my first NIB Pro #*#
stoked, coming May
Congrats Jady can't wait for unboxing pics :) well done.
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Watching Danger Dog stream right now and Danger Dog really likes the sound of his own voice...... get on with the gameplay already.
Hope that Jody douche doesn't turn up and make it even worse.
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Damn shame it's only the pro they are playing and streaming but something is always better than nothing.
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#*# just officially ordered my first NIB Pro #*#
stoked, coming May
Awesome Jady! I'm loving the look of this game, well done on the purchase. #*#
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Congrats Jady. Look forward to your review
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Amazing how quickly GOT has been forgotten about. Less than 3 months of sporadic production is one hell of a short life cycle even for a Stern.
Even Trudeau in the earlier posted interview said he was concerned the early publicity would negatively affect sales of "the title currently on the line".
Now looking at all the new buyers for GB that prediction has certainly proved correct.
For myself I will be picking up a Premium this time around (once the code has had time to mature properly).
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Amazing how quickly GOT has been forgotten about. Less than 3 months of sporadic production is one hell of a short life cycle even for a Stern.
Even Trudeau in the earlier posted interview said he was concerned the early publicity would negatively affect sales of "the title currently on the line".
Now looking at all the new buyers for GB that prediction has certainly proved correct.
For myself I will be picking up a Premium this time around (once the code has had time to mature properly).
I'm a fan of the GOT series and I'd really hoped for a lot from that pin but it didn't really do it for me in the end. Could have been my first NIB purchase too but the overall package fell short for me.
On the other hand, what I have seen on GB is looking fantastic so it's no wonder many have skipped GOT in favour of GB.
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Well done Mr and Mrs P.God Looks like i might need to invite myself over once you have the GBLE in the house. Enjoy your NIB
Haha, exactly what I said to Rob!
Looks like he just got a pinball meet in one purchase..... :lol
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#*# just officially ordered my first NIB Pro #*#
stoked, coming May
Awesome news, Jady!
Congrats. #*#
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Code is already looking good on this game, it can only get better from here.
The kids loved the gameplay video, so it will be another game we can enjoy together.
Looking forward to the Prem/LE video.
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cheers guys, stoked to be getting a GB - sure it will be alot of fun
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Amazing how quickly GOT has been forgotten about. Less than 3 months of sporadic production is one hell of a short life cycle even for a Stern.
Even Trudeau in the earlier posted interview said he was concerned the early publicity would negatively affect sales of "the title currently on the line".
Now looking at all the new buyers for GB that prediction has certainly proved correct.
For myself I will be picking up a Premium this time around (once the code has had time to mature properly).
I'm a fan of the GOT series and I'd really hoped for a lot from that pin but it didn't really do it for me in the end. Could have been my first NIB purchase too but the overall package fell short for me.
On the other hand, what I have seen on GB is looking fantastic so it's no wonder many have skipped GOT in favour of GB.
In the case of GOT, you really had to opt for a Premium at minimum to get the full pinball experience since the Pro was missing an entire playfield. Even Ritchie himself alluded to that fact in a video podcast. Perhaps that was why Stern pushed out code updates for the machine in such a short period of time to make up for lagging sales from distros?
At least with GB that contrast between Prem/LE and Pro has been kept to a minimum and the sales interest across all three models is indicative of that.
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At least with GB that contrast between Prem/LE and Pro has been kept to a minimum and the sales interest across all three models is indicative of that.
To me, GB looks more like a B/W than a Stern
I have said it before, B/W made pinball worlds
Stern makes pinball machines,
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#*# just officially ordered my first NIB Pro #*#
stoked, coming May
Congrats Jady.
Does this mean just as many mods for GB as for CFTBL. &&
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Nice one Jady.. congrats mate ^^^ ^^^
Is there a game play video yet?
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Got time on your hands? Here is a 2 hour gameplay video recorded from a live stream this morining from the Stern factory, by Dead Flip. This is the Pro model, with a similar stream for a Premium or LE to be done once the model is available.
https://youtu.be/fxK8j1ZVPxA (https://youtu.be/fxK8j1ZVPxA)
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yes have a few mods lined up
the video shows some very cool features and already alot of code - remember star and bacon, along with 9 skill shots
the game play, music and sound effects are all great - reckon this will be a great seller and like some of the other guys said it doesn't look like your standard Stern - very full looking, can only get better with more code.
great to watch Dwight play being the coder
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Got time on your hands? Here is a 2 hour gameplay video recorded from a live stream from the Stern factory, by Dead Flip. This is the Pro model, with a similar stream for a Premium or LE to be done once the model is available.
https://youtu.be/fxK8j1ZVPxA (https://youtu.be/fxK8j1ZVPxA)
I speed watched it.
That's the Pro?... it looks good!
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yeah that's the pro
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Just watched the video with Jack Danger :) game plays fast I was pleasantly surprised :) sound and lightning fantastic and by the looks of it nice code to. Overall not a theme for me but it wouldn't stop me getting one down the track. Looks like a real winner for Stern.
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Nice to see a real skill shot where you need to think about your plunge. Not only you need to make, but you can choose your reward. A nice touch is the player who has massed a nice score can capitalize on a skill by getting a bonus 10% of their current score.
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Machine looks n sounds great but it was hard to watch the few nerdy guys on the 2 hour stream trying to be funny.
I like Sterns professional game release videos a lot more. This game should do very well.
Can't wait to see them in person at AMD.
The LE looks great but will be sold out as usual.
How many LE are being built ?
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Stern say 500 LE for Ghostbusters, that means they will prob make 750 or so.
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videos from Vegas
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Thanks for the videos mate. Does the slimmer only go up and down on the LE? I read in the specs something about rotating but don't understand the meaning. Do they mean side to side as well as up and down. Similar to the dark knight??
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pretty sure Slimer goes up and down and side to side blocking a variety of shots on Premium and LE
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I heard similar to Swinks, moves side to side and up and down with 4 different shots for the bash toy on the Prem/LE apparently.
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That's great news as it will add to the challenge. I like it when a bash toy has some kind of purpose rather than just take up a whole lot of real estate. In fact this takes up very little.
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From the video, the Pro looks a great game. Lights etc tie in well and it looks to be a full package.
Be interesting to see the LE in action as I think with the changes, it will be a much bigger game.
Kudos to Stern on this one ^^^ ^^^
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Only 85 sleeps to go $#$
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I think the Pro would look extra amazing if someone did some custom powdercoating work on the side rails and legs and lockdown bar etc.
It's hard to tell from the photos but the Pro might look extra great with a bright shiny purple powder coat with some green slime powdercoating added here and there as a extra feature.
Congrats to those who have already ordered.
Playfield toys and features look extra amazing.
Thanks to those who posted videos and links etc.
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I think the Pro would look extra amazing if someone did some custom powdercoating work on the side rails and legs and lockdown bar etc.
It's hard to tell from the photos but the Pro might look extra great with a bright shiny purple powder coat with some green slime powdercoating added here and there as a extra feature.
Congrats to those who have already ordered.
Playfield toys and features look extra amazing.
Thanks to those who posted videos and links etc.
There's a guy in America that mods new games then sells them, they where talking about going with the purple powder coat :) I agree would look awesome. I'm liking the game more and more :)
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That's great news as it will add to the challenge. I like it when a bash toy has some kind of purpose rather than just take up a whole lot of real estate. In fact this takes up very little.
If anything it shows that the designer has put some thought into the bash toy location and how it ties into the overall theme, rather than the typical "some oversized resin piece in the front third/half of the playfield".
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question and answer time with Trudeau by Stern on facebook with some specific questions answered
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/vb.136972659243/10153996415669244/?type=2&theater¬if_t=live_video
- magnetic slings and mylar
- stay puft gets angrier represented with colour changes
- mods
- artist
- music
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I know that the game is in it's infancy and I know that I am usually one of Sterns critics, bashers or whatever you want to call them but I've got a feeling that this game will be a classic.
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I think the Pro would look extra amazing if someone did some custom powdercoating work on the side rails and legs and lockdown bar etc.
It's hard to tell from the photos but the Pro might look extra great with a bright shiny purple powder coat with some green slime powdercoating added here and there as a extra feature.
Congrats to those who have already ordered.
Playfield toys and features look extra amazing.
Thanks to those who posted videos and links etc.
There's a guy in America that mods new games then sells them, they where talking about going with the purple powder coat :) I agree would look awesome. I'm liking the game more and more :)
is Peter contemplating a new game? It would go real well with the furniture in you games room
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I think the Pro would look extra amazing if someone did some custom powdercoating work on the side rails and legs and lockdown bar etc.
It's hard to tell from the photos but the Pro might look extra great with a bright shiny purple powder coat with some green slime powdercoating added here and there as a extra feature.
Congrats to those who have already ordered.
Playfield toys and features look extra amazing.
Thanks to those who posted videos and links etc.
There's a guy in America that mods new games then sells them, they where talking about going with the purple powder coat :) I agree would look awesome. I'm liking the game more and more :)
is Peter contemplating a new game? It would go real well with the furniture in you games room
I'd like one that's for sure :) beautiful game.
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Always welcome to try before you buy at my place..........that's if you can wait #@#
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Looks like oz le allocation sold out
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Always welcome to try before you buy at my place..........that's if you can wait #@#
Cheers Rob :)
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Saw a picture of a player with his arms crossed over. Looks like there may be a "don't cross the beams" mode where the flippers are reversed. That will do my head in as Black Hole lower playfield always did.
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Saw a picture of a player with his arms crossed over. Looks like there may be a "don't cross the beams" mode where the flippers are reversed. That will do my head in as Black Hole lower playfield always did.
that was Keith Elwin, top pinball player that is also making the custom Archer game. Apparently there is a mode once you achieve some goals the flippers cross - maybe a crossed proton beams - sounds like fun.
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Saw a picture of a player with his arms crossed over. Looks like there may be a "don't cross the beams" mode where the flippers are reversed. That will do my head in as Black Hole lower playfield always did.
that was Keith Elwin, top pinball player that is also making the custom Archer game. Apparently there is a mode once you achieve some goals the flippers cross - maybe a crossed proton beams - sounds like fun.
yeah this game may have a few surprises. Maybe stern have become a bit more adventurous and allowing some new stuff like the slings and pin2000 image. They may not pay off but at least they gave it a go. I hope they do hit the mark. Any other interesting modes? I still don't understand the subway ramp, sometimes the ball will divert or something
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Saw a picture of a player with his arms crossed over. Looks like there may be a "don't cross the beams" mode where the flippers are reversed. That will do my head in as Black Hole lower playfield always did.
that was Keith Elwin, top pinball player that is also making the custom Archer game. Apparently there is a mode once you achieve some goals the flippers cross - maybe a crossed proton beams - sounds like fun.
yeah this game may have a few surprises. Maybe stern have become a bit more adventurous and allowing some new stuff like the slings and pin2000 image. They may not pay off but at least they gave it a go. I hope they do hit the mark. Any other interesting modes? I still don't understand the subway ramp, sometimes the ball will divert or something
I think like the pro depends if a mode is activated the ball will shoot down the and exit the ramp and other times will go into the ghost containment centre. On the pro it is a virtual ball lock but the premium / le it is a real unseen virtual lock and then a multiball kicks in and the balls either eject from the vuk or the shooter lane. The vuk is also probably a backup for the rare time a ball might not make it out of the ramp.
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Saw a picture of a player with his arms crossed over. Looks like there may be a "don't cross the beams" mode where the flippers are reversed. That will do my head in as Black Hole lower playfield always did.
that was Keith Elwin, top pinball player that is also making the custom Archer game. Apparently there is a mode once you achieve some goals the flippers cross - maybe a crossed proton beams - sounds like fun.
yeah this game may have a few surprises. Maybe stern have become a bit more adventurous and allowing some new stuff like the slings and pin2000 image. They may not pay off but at least they gave it a go. I hope they do hit the mark. Any other interesting modes? I still don't understand the subway ramp, sometimes the ball will divert or something
Once you light the lock insert when the balls go in the subway they will divert into the MB holding area :) if the lock light isn't lit and the balls go into the subway ramp they won't divert but instead continue along ramp and it'll exit :) that's what I make of it :) it's a cool feature :) I prefer actual locks I miss that with KISS.
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Thanks guys. I have been watching some more of the game plays and it does seem like a drain monster. The wider flipper spacing doesn't seem to help. I think it will be a challenge as I like games with shorter plays. What's the chances the games will have maybe a provision for a centre flipper post?
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Thanks guys. I have been watching some more of the game plays and it does seem like a drain monster. The wider flipper spacing doesn't seem to help. I think it will be a challenge as I like games with shorter plays. What's the chances the games will have maybe a provision for a centre flipper post?
or you can go for my custom 3 1/8" flipper bats &&
CFTBL is the same flipper spacing as nearly all of Trudeau's games, you will actually get used to it
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Thanks guys. I have been watching some more of the game plays and it does seem like a drain monster. The wider flipper spacing doesn't seem to help. I think it will be a challenge as I like games with shorter plays. What's the chances the games will have maybe a provision for a centre flipper post?
or you can go for my custom 3 1/8" flipper bats &&
CFTBL is the same flipper spacing as nearly all of Trudeau's games, you will actually get used to it
ha ha, any chance of making 4" ones, that should close the gap to near nothing
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Thanks guys. I have been watching some more of the game plays and it does seem like a drain monster. The wider flipper spacing doesn't seem to help. I think it will be a challenge as I like games with shorter plays. What's the chances the games will have maybe a provision for a centre flipper post?
or you can go for my custom 3 1/8" flipper bats &&
CFTBL is the same flipper spacing as nearly all of Trudeau's games, you will actually get used to it
ha ha, any chance of making 4" ones, that should close the gap to near nothing
that wouldn't be fun anymore %.%
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I spoke to a guy at a comp last week and he said he played a spy hunter that drained hard on the left. The guy selling it said he could modify it with rubbers to close off this area. So there are people who view pinball a bit differently &^&
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Here is a photo of a pf being populated. Looking closely, most of the pf is part of the gameplay, not much lost real estate under plastics etc
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Here is a photo of a pf being populated. Looking closely, most of the pf is part of the gameplay, not much lost real estate under plastics etc
Liking the colours! ^^^
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Here is a photo of a pf being populated. Looking closely, most of the pf is part of the gameplay, not much lost real estate under plastics etc
Liking the colours! ^^^
not a surprising comment from you. Many of your games have beautiful artwork and really vibrant colours. GB seems to follow that theme
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Here is a photo of a pf being populated. Looking closely, most of the pf is part of the gameplay, not much lost real estate under plastics etc
Liking the colours! ^^^
not a surprising comment from you. Many of your games have beautiful artwork and really vibrant colours. GB seems to follow that theme
I will be itching to see your unboxing thread........
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I hope this isn't true, but I think I read that the LE slimer will only rotate left and right and will not do the up and down movement like the pro. Anyone hear the contrary?
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from what I heard that isn't true as on the pro it drops down to be hit but stays up when the mode isn't active, with the le pretty sure it goes up and down to go active and in-active but when active it rotates side to side making a hit a little more challenging then when the mode is finished he lifts up so to not block the shots.
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I like what I see
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Tempting title. Looks like it could be a lot of fun.
I'm looking forward to seeing some video of the LE!
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Tempting title. Looks like it could be a lot of fun.
I'm looking forward to seeing some video of the LE!
A big +1 to that.
I am very keen to see these magnetic slings in action.
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Looks like oz le allocation sold out
Joe called me the other day - only a handful were left then. Fantastic result for Stern.
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Well I'm going to put my hand up and say......... I GOT ONE! *%*
Deposit already sent to Bruce.
Now to wait for the backlash and the "I wouldn't buy that clown vomit pin". Oh wait this isn't AA so maybe it won't happen.
The down side is. It doesn't come in until june :(
I can't afford a LE or Premium so I am jumping in for a Pro - my first NIB
Congrats on the purchase, Jady. I'm very happy you pulled the trigger on this title.
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Dunno if I'm classed as a stern hater, but my pocket is much lighter as of today and now will wait for June to come around for an LE delivery
A little apprehensive buying site unseen gameplay but wtf.
Thrilled for you mate. Awesome decision.
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Dunno if I'm classed as a stern hater, but my pocket is much lighter as of today and now will wait for June to come around for an LE delivery
A little apprehensive buying site unseen gameplay but wtf.
Thrilled for you mate. Awesome decision.
thanks mate, I now have no excuse for not holding a meet
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Dunno if I'm classed as a stern hater, but my pocket is much lighter as of today and now will wait for June to come around for an LE delivery
A little apprehensive buying site unseen gameplay but wtf.
Thrilled for you mate. Awesome decision.
thanks mate, I now have no excuse for not holding a meet
more than 2 people is considered a meet - I can't wait to have a game. I'm tempted to pull the trigger, but I'll wait a while.
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... I now have no excuse for not holding a meet
You are holding a meet... Who ya gonna call? !^!
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I'm feeling good with the choice after seeing the pf and even more so after seeing some videos. I think the premium has enough added features for people to choose this but the pro is still a player in its own right.
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Congrats on all getting NIB GB, at 1st I had no real desire to get one, more I see it looks like a real fun pin, pro looks Awersome
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High res pics from pinside with glass off very sexy :)
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High res pics from pinside with glass off very sexy :)
That does look sweet!!
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That "reinforcment" better be corrected before production.
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If they don't correct or improve on that mount I am going to do a mod to cover the pole (get rid of the wiring wrap) and cover those dam ugly bolts.
As for mods Stern have started sending out notices to some modders (not me as I am not activity selling any IP stuff), but they are also trying to tell people that they can't make anything (non IP protected stuff) for a "Ghostbusters" pinball so trying to create a monopoly for their mods and mezelmods. I think this is going too far and they are silly as the modders make some money from making mods so to then put towards buying the next stern pinball - so short sighted.
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Nice photos - and they are of the PRO ^^^
Regarding Modders - it is YOUR machine and you can do what the hell you like. As long as it does not have a Stern or GB logo, who cares ?
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Some great photos there.
This is really a good looking game. Great use of colours and ....dare I say it.... looks actually fun and inviting to play. Great work by Stern and the design team.
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a photo of the team
Jerry Thompson - sounds package
John Trudeau - game designer
Dwight Sullivan - software designer
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What's the reasoning behind the weird Casper-looking Ghostbuster logos all over the playfield . Looks wrong IMO .
They have the license , do they not , so why not go with the traditional logo that everybody knows :
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If they don't correct or improve on that mount I am going to do a mod to cover the pole (get rid of the wiring wrap) and cover those dam ugly bolts.
Swinks , a Ghostbuster action figure or something mounted at the back and then a proton stream cover over the wiring and looping around Slimer would look cool .
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What's the reasoning behind the weird Casper-looking Ghostbuster logos all over the playfield . Looks wrong IMO .
They have the license , do they not , so why not go with the traditional logo that everybody knows :
not sure but maybe since the people are cartoonie maybe they went that way with the logo?
If they don't correct or improve on that mount I am going to do a mod to cover the pole (get rid of the wiring wrap) and cover those dam ugly bolts.
Swinks , a Ghostbuster action figure or something mounted at the back and then a proton stream cover over the wiring and looping around Slimer would look cool .
I was thinking el wire or some sort of lit beams, have a few ideas but can't start until I get a machine and sure a few of the US guys will be doing it as well
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Very impressed with the game etc but the topper is very underwhelming.
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topper is not classy looking at all, needs more see through acrylic
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Not sure if this video has been posted but here's a stern tour with GB on the line :) can't wait for my stern tour in October.
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10154023345344244/
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Thanks for the video. Are you going over to personally oversee the making of your GB premium &&
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LOL hopefully () See in the video there making WWE KISS GoT GB SMVE the lines busy
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Yeah that topper really sucks and I bet it won't be cheap either.
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Be cool if they did a topper with the goop gun and when you suck you get sprayed in pink goop to get some positivity about sucking so bad.
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LOL hopefully () See in the video there making WWE KISS GoT GB SMVE the lines busy
yep looks like price hikes haven't affected them yet. Only time will tell if they are smarter than the average bear or not. But to be honest, if they keep producing quality titles, then people, like myself, will forget reason and bend over. There is one thing in life I am bad at negotiating in and that's pinball. Gotta lose those rose coloured glasses of mine. Hope you get one Peter btw
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Out of interest. What is the average lead time from release date to shipping pro's and LE's. I never followed metallica or kiss or the like for delivery dates. Also Stern estimate ship dates, how accurate are they?
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Out of interest. What is the average lead time from release date to shipping pro's and LE's. I never followed metallica or kiss or the like for delivery dates. Also Stern estimate ship dates, how accurate are they?
In the past the first batch of LE's have been for export due to shipping times :) there normally spot on with delivery times unless there's an issue with parts or other issues but that's rare. Imagine paying and waiting 3-4 years for your game lol big pass.
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Out of interest. What is the average lead time from release date to shipping pro's and LE's. I never followed metallica or kiss or the like for delivery dates. Also Stern estimate ship dates, how accurate are they?
In the past the first batch of LE's have been for export due to shipping times :) there normally spot on with delivery times unless there's an issue with parts or other issues but that's rare. Imagine paying and waiting 3-4 years for your game lol big pass.
good to hear. I do not have the patience to wait years. This wait will test me @@^
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Stern's released side armor mods
guessing the green is for the LE but the shape won't match the art - dripping slim and don't think the green suits the pro or premium
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Out of interest. What is the average lead time from release date to shipping pro's and LE's. I never followed metallica or kiss or the like for delivery dates. Also Stern estimate ship dates, how accurate are they?
When I ordered my KISS LE from Joe, he emailed or called me regularly to keep me posted. There was a delay with the container, from memory - 2 weeks. You should have been told by your distributor, and if not, you need to chase it up.
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early code on the magnoslings
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10154095400169244/?permPage=1
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early code on the magnoslings
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10154095400169244/?permPage=1
Thanks Jady.
Looks interesting:)
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Lame, that test video does not fill me with confidence for these so called haunted magnetic slings.
Why not just film a gameplay video of the Prem/LE?
!@#
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It would be like having the underplayfield magnets on TAF permanently operating.
At least with traditional slings there is an element of predictability to the ball physics particularly when in such close proximity to the flippers.
Should have had traditional slings with the magnets that only operate during certain modes - e.g. Scoleri Bros.
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Thats the final product?..Its a late April Fools joke surely?
Stern manage to make passing a current through a coil more complicated and less effective... absolute genius
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Don't think that's the final product. Done via test mode. It would be like tz magnet testing and throwing a ball past it on the mini playfield.
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If that's not the final product then the video should never have been released to the public because in all honesty, the reaction and non reaction of those slings is absolute shithouse
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If that's not the final product then the video should never have been released to the public because in all honesty, the reaction and non reaction of those slings is absolute shithouse
Sterns advertizing department should be sacked
they are hurting the company
remember the video for Transformers that featured the designer playing with a transforming toy that never made it to the finished product?
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If that's not the final product then the video should never have been released to the public because in all honesty, the reaction and non reaction of those slings is absolute shithouse
+1
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Don't think that's the final product. Done via test mode. It would be like tz magnet testing and throwing a ball past it on the mini playfield.
The Facebook comments state that its the 1st code tested. So definitely not the final product. Seems like they were testing a mode that has a central magnet that throws the ball back into the slings. I expect 'normal' sling mode the central magnet would not operate.
(By 'central magnet', i mean what ever is grabbing the ball from between the two slingshot and throwing it back to the slings. It could simply be one of the two slingshot magnet itself is activated a second time to pull the ball back in - I can't see that being set as normal operation.)
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that would be Jody and he is supposed to be a professional marketing guy, but you have to wonder, as for why they released this am guessing pinsiders started to stress and speculate about the delays of LE's but giving old footage doesn't help
there is 2 large magnets between the sling shots infront of the slings so bounce back or pass over
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Simple answer to why they released the video is I guess because they can.
+1 re pinside, those guys are whining girls there. I think I have lost a good part of my life reading their dribble and speculations.
FYI when I state dribble, the GB thread on pinside has hit 10k posts on a game that hasn't even been shipped. I think I could have said all that had to be said in 10 posts not a thousand fold.
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Stern logic...
Here is a picture of some chocolate cake ingredients...
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Chocolatecakeingredients1-of-1_zpspi4kdxi2.jpg)
Now you can all congratulate us on the delicious chocolate cake we have made
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Sterns inhouse advertizing department should be sacked
they are hurting the company
When they used to contract out their advertising to a third party (Media House LLC of Chicago) they could put out a decent looking professional product such as the promo ads they use to run for a while for each machine release.
These days Stern's in house advertising basically consists of a manchild with an iPhone walking around the staff offices or factory floor, adding inane commentary and then uploading it to facebook for all the social media retards to tack their dopey comments on.
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Stern logic...
Here is a picture of some chocolate cake ingredients...
(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr243/retropin/Chocolatecakeingredients1-of-1_zpspi4kdxi2.jpg)
Now you can all congratulate us on the delicious chocolate cake we have made
that does look delicious .....i would buy it.
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Stern logic...
Here is a picture of some chocolate cake ingredients...
Now you can all congratulate us on the delicious chocolate cake we have made
It's the basis of Pavlovian classical conditioning.
Stern have long since known that their fanboy demographic are simply very easy to get salivating.
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Dunno if its only stern. I'm sure a lot of people here have purchased when a 'sensible' person if figure you are alluding to wouldn't fall for such temptations. I'm guessing, based on no factual study, that the majority here have a mortgage. Now how many pinballs at exorbitant prices could they buy with the savings in interest had they used their current pinball spending and put it on their mortgage. In my case, once the GBLE hits my shores, that'll make it nine (my collection).
I think we should all collectively admit we are irrational in this hobby. Irrational people are not the smartest people. Also remember continually telling people they are going to fail doesn't make them feel great.
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If that's not the final product then the video should never have been released to the public because in all honesty, the reaction and non reaction of those slings is absolute shithouse
Sterns advertizing department should be sacked
they are hurting the company
remember the video for Transformers that featured the designer playing with a transforming toy that never made it to the finished product?
No doubt it is hurting their brand. They just keep digging holes for themselves.
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So........Ghostbuster the pinball........
Any good video footage of gameplay yet?
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So........Ghostbuster the pinball........
Any good video footage of gameplay yet?
Steve Richie playing a Pro :)
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10154092960739244/
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a guy did a interview with JT
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sethporges/2016/04/19/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-ghostbusters-pinball-machine/#1b7a542235ce
or copied and pasted here
Faced with the rise of video games and the fall of the arcade, just a few years ago it seemed like the pinball industry seemed on its way out.
Wow have things changed. Today, pinball is undergoing a renaissance as new manufacturing startups enter the scene, competitive leagues spread throughout the country, and game designers begin to experiment with the classic formula. Case in point: The new Ghostbusters pinball machine (yes, it’s based on the original movie and not the reboot), which comes from Stern pinball, the oldest and largest company still making the games. To get a better understanding of the new game, I spoke to designer John Trudeau—an industry veteran who created classic games such as Creature From The Black Lagoon and The Machine: Bride of Pinbot—about what it was like making the game, and where the industry is headed.
So, tell me about the new Ghostbusters game.
Let’s see. What’s not new on this? We really had a great subject to work with. The movie was just full of material that translates really well to a game. Our question on developing the game was more or less what to leave out. We had a good time with it, that’s for sure. The genesis from the movie to the game was fairly smooth, actually. We have a couple of new features that we brought in that were perfect for the ghosts. We have magnetic slingshots that don’t have any physical moving parts. We put a magnet under the play field to pull the ball away from the rubber band instead of having a kicker in there. It looks like the ghosts control everything. We also have an EctoGoggles feature, which actually gives you, the player, an image on the playfield that’s kind of holographic. You see an animated ghost of some style. We’re still playing on it as far as what we want to put in there, but you can shoot the ball right through the image. It’s pretty nice to see. You’re looking through a two-way mirror, essentially. You’re seeing the reflection of a LCD screen that’s actually above the play field.
It’s the Pepper’s ghost illusion, right?
I believe that’s what it’s called, yes.
It’s becoming standard to release multiple versions of the game. You’ve got the less expensive pro and then the premium/limited edition versions. Do you start with the basic model and then add on features for the premium ones, or do you start with the dream machine and then see what you need to strip away for the less expensive one? Which direction does it typically go?
Personally, I go with designing the full-boat game. It’s much easier to pull things out than it is to make space for something to go in. I’ll start with full-boat version, and then we’ll pick and choose and fight our wars that way as far as the budget’s concerned.
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Veteran pinball designer John Trudeau was behind the new Stern Ghostbusters pinball machine
Veteran pinball designer John Trudeau was behind the new Stern Ghostbusters pinball machine (photo credit: John Trudeau)
Games these days are sort of iterative processes, even after their release, with code updates often adding new features. Do you usually know exactly what the code road map’s going to be when you first release it, or do you leave some wiggle room as people play with it, and you figure out what might work?
Pretty much both. We have a vision on top of where we want to go with it. Just X amount of time in order to get an operational game, and the goal is to get an operational game out, and then finish up all the little features that didn’t make it that we wanted to get in there originally, and then the updates come. Sometimes, not very often, if we get feedback and if we find something relevant that maybe would improve the game, it’s very possible that they could get pushed into a revision, too.
Pinball in the past couple of years has suddenly become very popular again. What’s it like to suddenly see this world suddenly become bigger than it’s been in a very long time?
It’s nice. I was around for the ’80s and ’90s when we were really putting out some fantastic games. Then I was also around when I got let go and I wasn’t producing any games for a number of years, and was fortunate enough to come back here at Stern. They picked me up off the street, from the gutter, and said, “How would you like to make pinball machines again?” I said, “Oh, okay.” I jumped at the chance, of course.
If you’d been out of the game for a little bit, was it hard to step back in? Is it a muscle you need to work on, or were you doing back-of-napkin designs the whole time?
Yes, and yes. It was hard to get in here. The first design I did for Stern was Mustang, and it was hard. The ideas didn’t flow as readily as they had in the past. To your other question, yes I was keeping my hands in everything. I designed a game for a group of fans in the UK. They’re still working on it eight years later but it’s coming along. I also did a theoretical design in software for Fox Sports for the 2005 All-Star game I believe, and they used it on television for one of their promotional commercials. Which was kind of cool.
With Ghostbusters, you have this rich theme with a lot of memorable characters. What items did you guys really want to include but just didn’t have the room? What was left on the cutting room floor?
Oh, that’s a tough one. We got most everything in. Well, we still have the proton beams we developed for the game, but unfortunately due to budget constraints, they’ve been left off the games. They looked pretty cool actually, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise, you’ll be giving these people $10,000 pinball machines and they’re not going to like that.
For sure. Tell me about these proton beams. What did they do?
It was an image. They moved out from the side of the board. Of course you didn’t want to cross the streams, and they would control a little bit in, a little bit out. Then of course once you did cross the streams with them, it would go into a different mode altogether. Nothing much was developed past the rudimentary stages, because we knew right off that they weren’t going to be on the game.
Tell me about the Slimer target. That seems to be an interesting, novel, new feature.
We were fortunate enough to get a mechanism that was simpled down a little bit for the lesser expensive model of the game. What it does do is it keeps Slimer activated. He’s actually in motion. We’ve got a LCD board on top of him with high-intensity green LEDs that light him up, and he comes down like a ghost. He hovers above the play field, and your object is to whack him with that ball as much as you can. As you’re whacking him, we’re lighting different arrows up in a green color, because every time you whack him, you get slimed. Once he’s been chased away, all this slime is left on the game for you to pick up, so you have to shoot all these game arrows.
One thing I think a lot of people noticed about your games is you sometimes put fun Easter Eggs in them. Is there anything people should be on the lookout for in Ghostbusters in this regard?
They’ll be a little black cat that’s walking around in various areas. I lost my buddy last year. He was with me for about thirteen years, so I said, “Let’s put tribute my old cat.” He walks around through to this place every once in awhile.
It kind of works with the Ghostbusters theme too, I guess.
Exactly. Purr.
Some of the startups in the space have moved to LCD displays, and you guys are still using dot-matrix displays. Could you talk about what you view as the pros and cons of each type of display technology.
Obviously the image is so much nicer on the LED screens than it is on the DMD, but also it take a lot more time in development to fill up that screen with something that’s worth looking at. Compared to the DMD, which is basically a monochromatic display with very coarse resolution, there’s going to be a lot of time and investment involved in getting a display like that up and running.
You mentioned making some back-of-napkin designs over the years. Is there anything else you’ve created, whether it was before you stepped out of pinball for a stretch or after, that you feel is a really cool design that is just waiting to be built?
I had some ideas and I’ve brought them in pretty much as I could into the games I’m doing now. The game I’m doing next, for instance, has some things that I wanted to do many, many years ago. The ideas are always there. I’ve got a couple little folders that are just full of sketches and early AutoCAD designs. They’re like my bank of good ideas.
A lot of pinball designers seem to have sort of trademark design touches that they come back that kind of make it identifiable as a game from that designer. What makes a John Trudeau pinball a John Trudeau pinball?
It doesn’t look like the last game. That’s pretty much for sure. I enjoy making different things. It’s a challenge for me. The part of the profession that I love is designing the game, and I try to do something different. I don’t want to get married into a style as it were. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t but you’ll always know that it’ll be different.
So, what’s in your personal collection? Which games?
None. I don’t have them. I don’t have any games at home.
Well then, what games do you really admire throughout history?
I have a lot of favorites. I’d say the design staff at Williams was responsible for making a lot of games in the ’90s that I just totally love playing. Prior to that, it was a different animal. It’s funny how the game changes from decade to decade, literally. From the ’60s to the ’70s to the ’80s to the ’90s. Then the 2000s were almost nothing going on. Now it’s back again so it’s fun to see everything continuing to evolve so to speak
You look at a game from the ’70s versus ’90s, it’s very obvious how they’re different games. But when you look at the games from the 90s versus ones from today, they often look pretty similar. What do you think has changed about pinball in design from the ’90s to today?
Not a whole lot. There’s been some changes. It’s very subtle. The electronics for one is a the major change. We’ve made the systems more compact and much easier for the operator, hopefully. Giving them more options in the future to go to. The LCD, for instance, the new system has to be able to handle that too.
The evolution of the game almost went to a standstill through the 2000s because there was no competition with just one company out. I’m sure they were having a hard time just staying above water at some points. It doesn’t breed a lot of research and development. It’s kind of, “Give me the game but don’t spend any money” type of thing. I’ve been that way before too. It’s not fun that way.
Why do you think pinball is popular again? What is it that is causing a new generation to discover it?
I think that’s the answer. It’s a different generation. These are new kids. I’ve been to a lot of shows in the last year or two around the country, and I see eight year olds, ten year olds, teenagers, coming in by themselves, not being brought in by their moms or dads. They just come in and play because they’re finding out they’re enjoying these games.
I think pinball also is a an innately social game. I like to say that what makes it a great competition sport, if you want to call it sport, is… well, let’s say basketball. I play a game against the best basketball player in the world a hundred times and I lose a hundred times. If I play against the best pinball player a hundred times, I win maybe three. I get that lucky bounce and they get the bad bounce. There’s just elements of unpredictability, and that kind of evens the playing field to the point where it’s exciting.
Correct. You can have three identical games that will play totally different too. It’s just the difference in the tension of a rubber band or a switch adjustment. Nothing that’s out of specification but it’s just they’re different.
Yes! I like to say that you can be a good pinball player and you can walk up to any game and do good. But to be a great pinball play you have to know the ins and outs of that specific machine. And then to be a really great pinball player you need to know that specific instance of that machine and its quirks. I think those levels really make it fun.
You’re correct. That’s exactly right. If you’re going to play on a great player’s machine that he’s familiar with, you’ll probably get beat every time.
What’s your dream theme to build a pin around. If you could snap your fingers and build a pinball on any theme in the world, what would it be?
It would be The Beatles. I’ve been trying to get The Beatles since I was at Williams. Pretty soon they’re going to be gone, and I’ll be gone too. Then it won’t matter anymore. But I would still love to get The Beatles.
What would you put into a Beatles game?
Prior to being here at Stern, I was always thinking just one model. With Stern and the premium/LEs, I’ve now got three models to think of, which might lend itself to something a little more different. I always planned on making the early Beatles, up to “A Hard Day’s Night”. It would be a lot of black and white, a lot of early pictures from them at Shea Stadium, say, or Comiskey Park, that kind of concert footage and also that music that went up to maybe “Rubber Soul” or so and just make a nice selection of music from there. That would be my ideal.
At Williams we got as far as talking to Ringo Starr’s people. They were interested as far as getting him to do voice for the game, but nothing ever went past that unfortunately. Here, now with the three models, we have the opportunity to possibly do three different ages of The Beatles. Maybe one with the early, one in the center we do the “Magical Mystery Tour”/”Sgt. Pepper”-type stuff with the surrealistic type of artwork. And the last one could be “Abbey Road” where they’re doing their final studio presentation.
I’ve got to ask about the flipper gap [writer's note: John Trudeau is known for putting an extra wide gap between the flippers, much to the chagrin of many frustrated players]. Where does it come from and what you are thinking?
I don’t know if it was a conscious effort on me to actually open the flippers up on purpose just to open them up. I felt that the outside drains had, even if they were open, they just ate the ball so much. This way I kind of hoped, I guess, to give you some more adjustments to put on the outside drains. I like the way the games play. When you go down the center it’s just too bad.
There’s also the timing of the game. We do still watch the time. We don’t want the guy to sit on there for ten minutes. But then again, we don’t want them to be done in thirty second either. I guess that’s my style.
Where would you like to see pinball go in the future as the game continues to grow and evolve and is popular again?
What I would like to see, and I haven’t seen it yet, is young designers. I’ve gotten very few inquiries as far as what happens when I stop designing, Steve Richie stops designing, John Borg stops designing, or any of the other designers from other companies. Hopefully maybe there’ll be some other companies coming up that will take the load.
I’m very aware of the fact that there’s nobody to pass the mantle onto. I would like to see some young fellows with some great ideas. It’s a strange vocation, I guess you could call it. You have to have a little bit of artistic tendencies and game consciousness and also mechanical design ability. You can’t make something that’s just not going to exist in real time and real space. If you can combine all that together then you’ve go yourself a pinball designer.
Speaking of that, have you created an idea for a feature that looks great on paper and maybe even in renderings, but by the time you build a prototype it just didn’t work?
For sure. I made a pair of slingshots that changed their angles. The thinking was that these would keep the ball up in a certain area much more when the angle came down flatter. They just didn’t work. I built a full prototype of it and I played with it. I imagine there’s got to be some other stuff there that I didn’t like. With my reputation I’ve always been trying to push the envelope and experiment with different things. Some work, some don’t.
Back to your last answer. If one young designer shows some promise and wanted to apprentice under you. I’m not saying that’s not me. Believe me, I’m not that guy, but you want to spread the skill, you want more out there people doing this, right?
For sure. Somebody who has got to go and do it. To be proactive about it. You’re not going to get paid, probably, for a little bit and it shouldn’t matter. This should be something you just really want to do. In the beginning I got paid zippo also. I worked in the factory for a couple years, so I understand. That didn’t stop me. I just wanted to do something else and the design thing came around to me. It seemed to be the right move for me. I think there’s guys here, designers here, who would be happy enough to try and help someone out.
One last question. For people playing, what do you think is the best strategy for Ghostbusters to get the high score?
Get up to this one mode where the flippers reverse and and remember to switch your hands.
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It’s becoming standard to release multiple versions of the game. You’ve got the less expensive pro and then the premium/limited edition versions. Do you start with the basic model and then add on features for the premium ones, or do you start with the dream machine and then see what you need to strip away for the less expensive one? Which direction does it typically go?
Personally, I go with designing the full-boat game. It’s much easier to pull things out than it is to make space for something to go in. I’ll start with full-boat version, and then we’ll pick and choose and fight our wars that way as far as the budget’s concerned.
Must be tough having to design the complete intended game first and then going head to head with the bean counters over what to cut back on for the Pro.
Steve Ritchie said he adopts the same LE/Premium first design process in his video interview a few months back as well.
Thankfully in the case of GB the differences are kept to a minimum.
Thanks for posting the interview.
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I would think an le/premium design would be done first after some culling from the proto and then further bits removed for the pro. But I read Borg starts with pro and then adds stuff. I wonder if this has any influences in model preferences between designer games? A lot of Borg game owners prefer pro's as the addons are not that critical to improving game play. I don't know if the other school of design lend themselves to more preference for le/prems???
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You are spot on about Borgys designs.
The Pro is always great with his designs and the add ons for the LE are usually not a huge difference at all.
I find most LE games play much slower cause the add on features slow gameplay right down. Then u are paying 3 or 4 grand extra for mild toys that don't do much and it slows gameplay so to me, buying a LE simply costs more and it's slower.
When Steve Ritchie did his original interviews about designing ACDC he said he designed two completely different white woods.
Now he is saying he isn't doing that anymore & he just adds or subtracts a few features. I think paying an extra four grand for a metal numbered plaque and a few extra features that slow gameplay down isn't a attraction to me personally. I always find the Pro very fast and the best value for money.
Don't get me wrong, the LE or Premium are fine machines, it's just great they design 3 games for 3 different personal preferences. Stern has copied from the car market & it works well.
This GhostBusters game has sure become very popular very quickly.
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Deadflip did a video of Pro on site
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That looks really fun apart from the polarising light show ^%^ my eyes are hurting
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Starting to roll out pro's in the wild and at homes. Interested to see the comments
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Starting to roll out pro's in the wild and at homes. Interested to see the comments
I haven't read any negative comments yet Rob :) I think your in for a fun beautiful game. Everyone's saying the artwork in person is magnificent.
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I hope you're right, but it doesn't matter, I like pinball anyway so the risk of disappointment is minimal
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http://youtu.be/luWdInTDJvs
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Not going to comment on the gameplay or the audio since both the players were subpar and yet again the host insisted on talking over the top of the game audio.
I will say it is the best looking Pro model in terms of comparable features to Premium/LE in a long time.
Looking foward to these landing down here (particularly the Premium/LE range) and giving it a test drive.
But at 6:48-
That misspelt "reinforcment" insert pointed out a couple of months back has made it to production machines without being corrected. @.@
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I am looking forward to playing this as it looks like a drain monster and very very quick. My favourite type of game.
Pet hate is long games.
The light show doesn't look as polarising in this vid.
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Looks maybe too much of a drain monster. I too don't like overly long games but also don't like the need for the ball save to come into play nearly every ball.
Also gotta admit I'm keen on getting my LE.
There has also been mentioning of the slimmer not registering all the time. I dunno if that's true as even in this video it doesn't register but the hits do not seem to be good, strong, direct hits???
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Looks maybe too much of a drain monster. I too don't like overly long games but also don't like the need for the ball save to come into play nearly every ball.
Also gotta admit I'm keen on getting my LE.
There has also been mentioning of the slimmer not registering all the time. I dunno if that's true as even in this video it doesn't register but the hits do not seem to be good, strong, direct hits???
It certainly does look like a tough game :) and that's why I really like it Lol. In the video I just posted those guys where either crap players or really weren't trying due to concentrating on commentary or camera work!
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The harder the game the more fun & attractive it is.
Can't wait to get my GB Pro.
Well done to all who have shared the love for this latest title.
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The harder the game the more fun & attractive it is.
Can't wait to get my GB Pro.
Well done to all who have shared the love for this latest title.
Congrats Brett on getting one :) this will be a huge title for Stern.
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to the side video
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to the side video
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Much better video of gameplay with no extraneous commentary and decent ball times.
Bet you are looking forward to yours, swinks. ()
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to the side video
&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1&rel=0
Much better video of gameplay with no extraneous commentary and decent ball times.
Bet you are looking forward to yours, swinks. ()
you bet ya, can't wait - first NIB
everything is falling into place, started a new government job, now modding just for fun and getting a new pin - happy days #*#
only thing I did notice on that video is that slimer doesn't seem to go up enough to be missed when he is activated - might need a switch adjustment ?
going to work on a few engineering mods to improve on the ball jumping from the inlane to outlane and hopefully adjustable as well for the top gap to the outlane. Don't want to make the game too easy but seems to be extremely easy to drain out the sides.
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to the side video
&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1&rel=0
Much better video of gameplay with no extraneous commentary and decent ball times.
Bet you are looking forward to yours, swinks. ()
you bet ya, can't wait - first NIB
everything is falling into place, started a new government job, now modding just for fun and getting a new pin - happy days #*#
only thing I did notice on that video is that slimer doesn't seem to go up enough to be missed when he is activated - might need a switch adjustment ?
going to work on a few engineering mods to improve on the ball jumping from the inlane to outlane and hopefully adjustable as well for the top gap to the outlane. Don't want to make the game too easy but seems to be extremely easy to drain out the sides.
Sounds like good karma paying off. ^^^
I'll be picking up a Premium (or an LE depending on what is out there at the time) down the track in the next 8-12 months depending on if the code has had time to really stretch its legs and mature as that is my biggest bugbear with Stern (who knew :lol).
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also Dwight mentioned there are 30 different original tracks of music to suit all the different mods = lots of variety
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to the side video
&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1&rel=0
Much better video of gameplay with no extraneous commentary and decent ball times.
Bet you are looking forward to yours, swinks. ()
you bet ya, can't wait - first NIB
everything is falling into place, started a new government job, now modding just for fun and getting a new pin - happy days #*#
only thing I did notice on that video is that slimer doesn't seem to go up enough to be missed when he is activated - might need a switch adjustment ?
going to work on a few engineering mods to improve on the ball jumping from the inlane to outlane and hopefully adjustable as well for the top gap to the outlane. Don't want to make the game too easy but seems to be extremely easy to drain out the sides.
you could maybe make clip on lane guides to heighten them and avoid lane jumps???
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to the side video
&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1&rel=0
Much better video of gameplay with no extraneous commentary and decent ball times.
Bet you are looking forward to yours, swinks. ()
you bet ya, can't wait - first NIB
everything is falling into place, started a new government job, now modding just for fun and getting a new pin - happy days #*#
only thing I did notice on that video is that slimer doesn't seem to go up enough to be missed when he is activated - might need a switch adjustment ?
going to work on a few engineering mods to improve on the ball jumping from the inlane to outlane and hopefully adjustable as well for the top gap to the outlane. Don't want to make the game too easy but seems to be extremely easy to drain out the sides.
you could maybe make clip on lane guides to heighten them and avoid lane jumps???
that's the plan, add on metal components that slide down over the wire dividers and clip lock on with the goal to blend the look and not look tacky
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Lots of cool animations on the display, I like the match also. It definitely sounds and looks like a hell of a lot of FUN.
Is it me or the reason why the flipper gap is bigger is due to the return lanes and flippers being at more of a downward angle like old Gottlieb games? That would make sense as to why it is quick.
This just may be the pinball that bridges " the generation gap " between old farts and young crew.
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did read something along those lines as they did say that the flippers are aligned to the holes in the playfield but not in line with the inlane guides so that could be lifted up a little
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Here is another video with the hysteria mode being played
https://youtu.be/7oCYjYOCWiE
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Here's a short single game that goes for nearly 18 minutes. For 1.0 code there seems to b a bit of game play to do. I also didn't mind looking at some of the dots. Lots of music changes too.
https://youtu.be/NoL7Jw46tEQ
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&feature=youtu.be&autoplay=1&rel=0
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Damned if you do (I.E. Stern), damned if you don't (I.E. Homepin).
!@# !@#
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Damned if you do (I.E. Stern), damned if you don't (I.E. Homepin).
!@# !@#
Sorry mate... don't follow??
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I think he's referring to stern releasing something on say the magna slings and homepin keeping quiet about their game and people wanting to just see something of the progress. I think both companies don't give a rats about any comments and will do and release what they want. Lots of people have commented on stuff elsewhere like they're in on the boardroom meetings and then others debate these issues that are quite frankly made up.
At the moment my GBLE will have slings that do jack, will cause wear on the playfield, burn holes in it, stern can't get working, ecto googles or whatever they're called that don't work, can't be seen by midgets, have the wrong ghosts, not enough ghosts, that will have ghosts hovering all over the pf, the pf has spelling mistakes, those that will have the mistakes will be worth more in the future, the LE''s have more clear, the LE's have the same clear, and yet no one has seen one.
I'm putting it out there and I have been informed by Stern, in person kinda, that my LE will give me a blow job each time I win match number which in turn will give me a heart attack seeing my heart rate will increase. Now you've heard it first on AP.
But seriously, these Yanks haven't changed. The lynch mobs are out, and they're hanging everyone and if things don't turn out the way they said, lots of cricket sounds.
I'll wait until I get one and will wear whatever the outcome is. Let's hope we don't spend 10,000 posts covering the same ground. I've noted all concerns and comments and am really interested to see what gives and how to rectify any if necessary.
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For what it's worth, is someone has more than one pin at home "I think" the magnetic slings will be great. You don't want every game to be the same, and the magnetic slings will probably become the defining feature of that game. If GB was the only game in my home, for me I'd probably prefer the Pro as I'd like a more generic machine if I only had one machine.
How much criticism has pinball received for not having any innovation since Williams stopped making pinball. Now we get magnetic slings, and people don't want the traditional slings changed. ^&^.
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Aah yes.. sounds like Pinside! The most popular pinball forum in the world and 99% of it isn't worth reading.
I don't blame Homepin from not releasing snippets as he goes along.. that's up to him though and is his way. But the machine is seriously delayed and the delays were first said to be due to ITC not approving artwork etc.. then the death of his wife which is understandable and tragic. But then we get CAD drawings of the pop bumper assemblies as late as Jan this year. You would think that these would have been designed and ready to go if delay is pending artwork approval. To the outsider, things aren't adding up and so the questions begin and will continue.. couple that with issues on the Lowboys etc and you have yourself a recipe for doubt.
Sterns release of the Magna slings was just stupid.. all it did was show Stern reinventing what is already on every Addams family and not done well at that!... " Here are our Magna slings - they don't work properly yet but im sure you can all see the potential". Oddly enough, we cant see the potential... does it work better than a rubber band and an open switch that closes?...NOPE... is it better than something from 1992?...NOPE.. should they keep R&D private?... the backlash would suggest a YES on that.
BTW.. I hope the blowjob is from the slimmer... would be a pretty funky feeling
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Aah yes.. sounds like Pinside! The most popular pinball forum in the world and 99% of it isn't worth reading.
I don't blame Homepin from not releasing snippets as he goes along.. that's up to him though and is his way. But the machine is seriously delayed and the delays were first said to be due to ITC not approving artwork etc.. then the death of his wife which is understandable and tragic. But then we get CAD drawings of the pop bumper assemblies as late as Jan this year. You would think that these would have been designed and ready to go if delay is pending artwork approval. To the outsider, things aren't adding up and so the questions begin and will continue.. couple that with issues on the Lowboys etc and you have yourself a recipe for doubt.
Sterns release of the Magna slings was just stupid.. all it did was show Stern reinventing what is already on every Addams family and not done well at that!... " Here are our Magna slings - they don't work properly yet but im sure you can all see the potential". Oddly enough, we cant see the potential... does it work better than a rubber band and an open switch that closes?...NOPE... is it better than something from 1992?...NOPE.. should they keep R&D private?... the backlash would suggest a YES on that.
BTW.. I hope the blowjob is from the slimmer... would be a pretty funky feeling
spot on, I just shake my head on the heated debates on things that are based on fiction, which may come true, but may not. A lot of what ifs. I don't mind hearing about possibilities but don't like the mega posts about the disappointment of playfield wear etc......mate you don't have a game yet is what I'm thinking and you're already slashing your wrists.
Stern might not handle things well, but I'm a numbers guy, and if sales are there I wouldn't change too many things. Pollies say nothing and we still vote them in, pollies say stupid stuff and we still vote them in....and why, because we have to vote. I had to buy this LE, no logic, no reasoning, just gotta. Stern know that.
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Maybe it is just me, and I don't mean that as a stir. But I love every game with magnets. I don't know why but I find the 'magical' randomness appealing.
Now regarding the extra services that the machine is promised to have. Perhaps the number match reward is the a massage: The magnets alternate at a fast rate, the machine goes into two ball multi ball, you place your body part that needs a massage in-between the two steals balls that are alternating between the slits at about 50 times per second. The vibrating balls should provide sufficient pleasure. :lol
(Apologies, I never wanted to be crude on this forum, but could not resist this one).
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I'm offended *.*
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For what it's worth, is someone has more than one pin at home "I think" the magnetic slings will be great. You don't want every game to be the same, and the magnetic slings will probably become the defining feature of that game. If GB was the only game in my home, for me I'd probably prefer the Pro as I'd like a more generic machine if I only had one machine.
How much criticism has pinball received for not having any innovation since Williams stopped making pinball. Now we get magnetic slings, and people don't want the traditional slings changed. ^&^.
Spot on about innovation-Stern innovates and they cop a hammering-some on here are the worst offenders to lol
PS: see ya Saturday Rob hopefully your going :)
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I just meant that if you release details about an upcoming game that is not finished you get hammered for it.
Alternatively, if you do not release details about an upcoming game that is not finished you get hammered for it........ @@^
*you being the manufacturer*
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I'm in that same situation time and time again with the wife. Can never do right %.%
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The negative stuff written about games that no one has played is always amusing for me. It is like Stern or other manufacturers have to design pinball exactly to the specs of a critic to make them happy.
I know from my experience with KISS that armchair critics dismissed the game as they don't like the theme. It needs code, but it is an awesome game. When Swinks shared the first GB photos on AP, I was awestruck by the art, and the layout looked amazing. The critics then took out the electron microscope looking for things that were "wrong" according to them and then they run off with their negative agenda. This kind of attitude was last seen in primary school.
I would have bought GB as I love the movies and the pinball has hand drawn art and is designed by my favorite designer. I didn't pull the trigger due to Stern releasing unfinished games. But I know those that did buy the game will be happy if they have patience with the code.
I do think Stern should revert back to the old days of releasing the title the day they release the game, with good code. This pre release media just stirs the critics, and they can never shut up !
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I see no problem with pointing out obvious design faults and offering constructive criticism towards existing manufacturers or addressing elephant in the room issues regarding repeated delays and extraneous excuses from new startups which on OTHER forums the rank and file members are either too shitscared to raise or have been browbeaten into subservient compliance by the existing arbitrary hierarchy.
That is how companies learn from their mistakes and evolve with better processes, not by surrounding themselves with slavish grovellers who fawn over anything Stern (or anyone in a position of quasi-authority) posts online. How does a printed spelling error located 5cm above the flippers make it past pre-production quality control onto the playfield of a production machine anyway? You would have spent weeks if not more staring at that playfield design on a screen prior to it reaching production and yet first video uploaded of a machine onsite and there is the error in all it's glory.
It is obvious that Stern has little idea how to market a pinball machine to appeal to a wider demographic, so they choose to go down one of two paths with every single release - have the in house "marketing manager" walk around the offices/factory floor at regular intervals and film something on an Iphone to upload so that the faithful can add their inane commentary to it (and block any comments which are critical of the machine) or deliberately leaking information to a selec few disciples on pinside in the hope of generating speculative chatter and free limited publicity.
Neither of these methods gets their product salience beyond the existing consumer base.
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I don't think anyone would suggest criticism is bad, rather its often they way its said. And yes it does lead to improvement. We just need to all think about how its said, by considering that there are always likely people with the opposite views and certainly many sitting in the middle. Someone who like something that is being criticised can provide an emotional response if the critisism is delivered with emotion. Both sides end up taking the comments are personal insults.
...Back to GB, based on the price of premiums and LEs these days there may not be to many on location. But if anyone has a GB premium or LE located near them, I'm will into to bet they rush out to play the magna kickers!! *)*
How long they then keep playing will then vary of course.
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I like criticisms and concerns. But to cast aspersions on something that is not tested or proven and have someone dispute them. Then leave it and wait to see if they come to fruition. What I don't like is an all out fist fight over something that may not happen yet or will ever. I know my tv could catch fire but its highly unlikely so I'll worry about it when it happens.
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We can only go on the evidence that is presented and Stern chooses what they release in terms of advertising for public consumption.
The magna slings in that video in their current state are a substandard replication of traditional slingshot ball physics.
The spelling error on the playfield made it to production machines despite being pointed out months ago.
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apparently AMD will have pro's this coming week. ^^^
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apparently AMD will have pro's this coming week. ^^^
is that good for you swinksy?
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apparently AMD will have pro's this coming week. ^^^
is that good for you swinksy?
not at the moment as can't go down and get it for at 2-3 weeks during the week as they won't open for a Saturday morning pickup
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apparently AMD will have pro's this coming week. ^^^
That's awesome :)
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not at the moment as can't go down and get it for at 2-3 weeks during the week as they won't open for a Saturday morning pickup
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C,mon Bruce, open up for me ol mate Jady on a saturday. Share the stoke.
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surely $4075 is worth opening the door for 15-30 minutes on a Saturday
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You would think so... I often open up my business on a Saturday ( went in today for 5 hrs) for customers. If you do it first thing, its over and you are home with a full day ahead of you still
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Make sure to negotiate hard like the VIP heavyweights do with AMD. @@*
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Finally, something that makes actual sense @@*
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surely $4075 is worth opening the door for 15-30 minutes on a Saturday
What would AMD charge you for a front door delivery instead of the hours driving & petrol plus hassles.
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surely $4075 is worth opening the door for 15-30 minutes on a Saturday
you would think
I know when I bought NIB Sterns it was no problem for them to open the warehouse on a Sunday morning
when you are selling very expensive toys, you make it as easy as you can to make the customer happy, and thus willing to spend more $$
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surely $4075 is worth opening the door for 15-30 minutes on a Saturday
What would AMD charge you for a front door delivery instead of the hours driving & petrol plus hassles.
I asked that and they said for Newcastle they only deliver to a depot which is no good for me as still need to hire a ute or van to get to my place and they said they would prefer me to pick up personally. They can delivery in the Sydney area themselves but I am 45minutes from the outer Sydney area so no luck there
surely $4075 is worth opening the door for 15-30 minutes on a Saturday
you would think
I know when I bought NIB Sterns it was no problem for them to open the warehouse on a Sunday morning
when you are selling very expensive toys, you make it as easy as you can to make the customer happy, and thus willing to spend more $$
you would think they would be accommodating, and I want to pick it up personally and happy to hire a van and head down, but if a early pickup on a Saturday isn't possible and don't really want to wait 5 weeks for a flexi - might have to get a refund
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Maybe try a transport company - it may well be very close to the cost of you hiring a ute.
For example, i just looked up northline, and they quote around $130 for Sydney to Newcastle. I have a Paragon booked with them to come from Melbourne, and when i rang, the very good price i got quoted was door to door. Obviously can't say if they are good or not, since my machine is not available at the moment to be picked up.
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Ghostbusters LE Pinball LIVE gameplay with Jack Danger & Friends on Dead Flip : Pinball Streaming! Wednesday, May 4th 5pmCT. http://twitch.tv/dead_flip #Ghostbusters #SternPinball
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Maybe try a transport company - it may well be very close to the cost of you hiring a ute.
For example, i just looked up northline, and they quote around $130 for Sydney to Newcastle. I have a Paragon booked with them to come from Melbourne, and when i rang, the very good price i got quoted was door to door. Obviously can't say if they are good or not, since my machine is not available at the moment to be picked up.
I did ask AMD and their preferred transport company only goes to depot in Newcastle so then still need to hire a vehicle so is actually more expensive.
I will contact Wally that does the Melbourne to Brisbane run 1-2 a month - see if the stars align and he deliveries to your door and carry into your house. Last pinball was delivered at 3am in the morning lol
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I wouldn't bother with their preferred transport...after all, it is your machine!
3am is good if you have soundproofing to not wake the kids...can have a few quick games before heading off to work!
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Maybe try a transport company - it may well be very close to the cost of you hiring a ute.
For example, i just looked up northline, and they quote around $130 for Sydney to Newcastle. I have a Paragon booked with them to come from Melbourne, and when i rang, the very good price i got quoted was door to door. Obviously can't say if they are good or not, since my machine is not available at the moment to be picked up.
I did ask AMD and their preferred transport company only goes to depot in Newcastle so then still need to hire a vehicle so is actually more expensive.
I will contact Wally that does the Melbourne to Brisbane run 1-2 a month - see if the stars align and he deliveries to your door and carry into your house. Last pinball was delivered at 3am in the morning lol
you haven't seen swinsky's house. Dunno how happy he'd be going up the steps??
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Maybe try a transport company - it may well be very close to the cost of you hiring a ute.
For example, i just looked up northline, and they quote around $130 for Sydney to Newcastle. I have a Paragon booked with them to come from Melbourne, and when i rang, the very good price i got quoted was door to door. Obviously can't say if they are good or not, since my machine is not available at the moment to be picked up.
I did ask AMD and their preferred transport company only goes to depot in Newcastle so then still need to hire a vehicle so is actually more expensive.
I will contact Wally that does the Melbourne to Brisbane run 1-2 a month - see if the stars align and he deliveries to your door and carry into your house. Last pinball was delivered at 3am in the morning lol
you haven't seen swinsky's house. Dunno how happy he'd be going up the steps??
lol, my collar bone is rooted so have lined up a local removalist for a case of beer to carry up but ideally Wally and his buddy would be prefect ^^^
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Sounds like the best solution. Rather than wasting your time trying to negotiate with a business who won't accommodate to a simple request you simply find a circumvent.
Well done. ^^^
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Note that the deadflip streaming is with a LE, so we now get to see the Magna slings in action.
The date translates to Thursday morning Australian time, hopefully they will have transferred to you tube by our Thursday evening.
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I asked the question to AMD about delivery, which seems a little odd?:
"We airfreighted a “Pro” for showroom use only and it arrived last Thursday p.m.
The container is now due here end June(slight delay from factory)."
so no GB pin until end of June - 2 months time, what a let down from early to mid May, but seems like there are some issues:
- slimmer not registering all hits, can see a need for a design upgrade on this personally - have some ideas for a simple upgrade
- bent wireform on the rhs captive ball stopping the ball dropping down
- insert mis-spelling
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I asked the question to AMD about delivery, which seems a little odd?:
"We airfreighted a “Pro” for showroom use only and it arrived last Thursday p.m.
The container is now due here end June(slight delay from factory)."
so no GB pin until end of June - 2 months time, what a let down from early to mid May, but seems like there are some issues:
- slimmer not registering all hits, can see a need for a design upgrade on this personally - have some ideas for a simple upgrade
- bent wireform on the rhs captive ball stopping the ball dropping down
- insert mis-spelling
Stern having realised the market for user interactive pinball is a potential growth area introduce the FIB..
Fix In the Box
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I asked the question to AMD about delivery, which seems a little odd?:
"We airfreighted a “Pro” for showroom use only and it arrived last Thursday p.m.
The container is now due here end June(slight delay from factory)."
so no GB pin until end of June - 2 months time, what a let down from early to mid May, but seems like there are some issues:
- slimmer not registering all hits, can see a need for a design upgrade on this personally - have some ideas for a simple upgrade
- bent wireform on the rhs captive ball stopping the ball dropping down
- insert mis-spelling
Yeah, they're now shipping Pros with LEs. Maybe less than usual Pro orders on this title?
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Pro orders of GB in Australia are a all time high, excluding ACDC.
Also, everytime I have bought a BNIB machine from AMD it has been delivered to my front door by TNT.
Surely TNT can do a delivery to Newcastle.
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Pro orders of GB in Australia are a all time high, excluding ACDC.
Also, everytime I have bought a BNIB machine from AMD it has been delivered to my front door by TNT.
Surely TNT can do a delivery to Newcastle.
well Bruce's email did state problems at Stern end so whether that is the playfields or just a general supply or even if the sales are down a little and it is a combo of pro's and le's
as for freight apparently they can't offer to my door where to Gold Coast might be in a big truck and then to a depot to a smaller tail light truck to people's door, and he said he would prefer if I picked up personally so not sure.. is what it is.
plus I reckon with the recent price increases sales would of dropped off a bit
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I've always thought mid July for the LE.
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From what I am hearing out of the USA, Stern was already maxed out with orders on all its production lines with a massive amount of orders on GOT, Spider-Man Vault, Star Trek & Walking Dead & still KISS variants, then the release of GB just pushed the waiting times thru the roof because Stern are the busiest production wise since they were when ACDC went thru the roof. Unlike the old days, Stern can now easily process orders for much lower production runs so if they get a order for 20 Walking Dead Pros for example, they can do the run easily. They don't have to wait for the orders to hit 100 or more to get it on the line.
Effectively, titles will be available much longer to purchase compared to a few years back & longer where once you missed the initial or 2nd line run, you just missed out on that NIB title.
So even with the new factory & new processes & new staff numbers, they just are flat out keeping up with demand which is great for sales.
Then there will be another title announced & Stern will be busier again.
Gary Stern must be happy seeing his long life dream flourishing.
A lot of GB have been ordered for Australia. The LE sold out so fast & the Premier & Pro have been ordered in high numbers so that's great for AMD & our great hobby.
GB seemed to hit at a perfect time for those who had money & weren't pulling the trigger on a GOT or switched quickly to GB.
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^^ That's great news Brett for Stern and the hobby :) how the hell do buyers wait 4 years for Crazy Jack games? I saw WWE still being built to :)
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I asked the question to AMD about delivery, which seems a little odd?:
"We airfreighted a “Pro” for showroom use only and it arrived last Thursday p.m.
The container is now due here end June(slight delay from factory)."
so no GB pin until end of June - 2 months time, what a let down from early to mid May, but seems like there are some issues:
- slimmer not registering all hits, can see a need for a design upgrade on this personally - have some ideas for a simple upgrade
- bent wireform on the rhs captive ball stopping the ball dropping down
- insert mis-spelling
Yeah, they're now shipping Pros with LEs. Maybe less than usual Pro orders on this title?
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well Bruce's email did state problems at Stern end so whether that is the playfields or just a general supply or even if the sales are down a little and it is a combo of pro's and le's
plus I reckon with the recent price increases sales would of dropped off a bit
That sounds the more likely scenario and accurate based on info and reading between the lines from the source itself, rather than internet chatter.
Of course, being in sales, you never openly admit to sales being down from projected. The message you send to every potential customer is that it is always a matter of not being able to keep up with demand to create a sense of urgency.
You would think with this apparent sudden surge in demand Stern would add a second shift instead of their standard M-F 8-4? That's what every other manufacturer does when demand apparently spikes. And with their primarily casual labour force it would be cost effective to implement.
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I am pretty sure Gary Stern has had a lot of practice running a pinball factory's production over the last 40 plus years.
The emphasis is on quality & not quantity which is much better for the end consumer.
Waiting for quality is always better than getting something quicker & having issues.
I like watching the Stern videos where everything is being done at a casual quality pace instead of a frantic pace like USA car companies.
Women also seem to make up the majority of the production staff at Stern which is great.
They should be very proud of the products they hand make that end up all over the world.
Does anyone have any knowledge about Bally or Wiiams or Gottlieb back in the glory days ?
We're most of the staff male or female mostly or was it a 50/50.
Always wondered why Stern has a mostly lady workforce.
If it works, can it & clone it they say !
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Is that a good or bad thing? !@#
No matter what I say/think I will be wrong %$%
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Is that a good or bad thing? !@#
No matter what I say/think I will be wrong %$%
Stern have come a long way since being bailed out by investors. A lot of smart decisions that have set the ship back on course. Their larger production facility has a lot of great new machines from Stern and boutique manufacturers - Whoa Nellie, MM and the next games (AFM etc). Plus the Stern titles in the pipeline and re runs etc. Fantastic news for pinball collectors.
Regarding QA - I can only speak from experience. My KISS LE has only had the sound cutting out, which Joe from KJWHF addressed immediately. I was recently made aware that distributors are asked to perform "Pre Flight Checks" on ALL new Sterns to check for issues that may have arisen during shipment, or QA issues not picked up during production. The increase in warranty claims was the main reason. Customers can have the unboxing themselves, but distros prefer to unbox and check everything. The KISS Pros seemed to have suffered the most with the decals peeling, and the cab bolts overtightened twist the artwork. Easy fix with an iron and cloth !
Women in the workforce - why not ! I think it is great !
From what I'm hearing, the production line is running full capacity with the Sterns and other machines.
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Is that a good or bad thing? !@#
No matter what I say/think I will be wrong %$%
Stern have come a long way since being bailed out by investors. A lot of smart decisions that have set the ship back on course. Their larger production facility has a lot of great new machines from Stern and boutique manufacturers - Whoa Nellie, MM and the next games (AFM etc). Plus the Stern titles in the pipeline and re runs etc. Fantastic news for pinball collectors.
Regarding QA - I can only speak from experience. My KISS LE has only had the sound cutting out, which Joe from KJWHF addressed immediately. I was recently made aware that distributors are asked to perform "Pre Flight Checks" on ALL new Sterns to check for issues that may have arisen during shipment, or QA issues not picked up during production. The increase in warranty claims was the main reason. Customers can have the unboxing themselves, but distros prefer to unbox and check everything. The KISS Pros seemed to have suffered the most with the decals peeling, and the cab bolts overtightened twist the artwork. Easy fix with an iron and cloth !
Women in the workforce - why not ! I think it is great !
From what I'm hearing, the production line is running full capacity with the Sterns and other machines.
I read somewhere that the production line has been ramped up to cope with all the games on the line-is there 9 titles? And alot of there staff are long time employees, good sign of a great place to work :). I've been very happy with all my new games and any small issues where dealt with quickly :) AMD are great to deal with and I've also heard Joe is a top bloke. Good times ahead if Maiden and Star Wars are the next couple.
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Iron Maiden suck balls, a very ordinary band that would make a very ordinary pin.
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Just popped into Zax's to play GB and It's fast :) man that flipper gap but I don't hate it :) need to nudge and can easily backhand left ramp I like that. Art work really good just pops. Left captive balls very hard to hit. PF is packed with toys it looks great. It's brutal but not TWD brutal it keeps you on your toes. DMD tells you what to hit and ramp shots are good not to difficult. Slimer is a nice toy pretty easy to hit :) I'm sure owners will be happy.
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Great post Pete.
Glad u had a great time. ^^^
Just testing out this new I pad I bought my son Hunter.
I can type without glasses.lol
Gee Ghost Busters is looking like a lot of fun no complaints about code anywhere also which is a nice peaceful change !
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PRO V1.04 - May 02, 2016
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New:
- Added Instant info page for ghost caught. Will show how
many ghost are needed for extra ball.
Fixes:
- Updated to Node 0.18.2 to fix flipper issues
- Fixed how the 3-ball captive ball counts locked balls. It
will no longer be complete after only 2 balls locked.
Tweaks:
- Completing Scoleri Brothers now lights 3X Super Jackpots
instead of 1X.
- Scoleri Brothers now only give one ghost during multiball
and if you have >= 80 caught ghost.
- Reduced how many ghost are caught from slimer during
Storage Facility Multiball
- Completing all the jackpots in Storage Facility will now
Light Super Jackpot for 3X instead of 1X.
- Increased the scores for Storage Facility jackpots
- Increased the scores for Mass Hysteria jackpots
- Terror Dog Hurry up now increases its value on both the
Terror Dog target and Gozer Target
- The Captive Ball toggles the flipper control from reversed
to normal and back.
- Adjusted the default high scores (lower)
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Looks like Stern have learnt from the KISS code debacle with more timely code updates.
Hopefully we'll see some intelligent objective reviews appearing online soon.
Thanks for the update swinks. ^^^
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Great post Pete.
Glad u had a great time. ^^^
Just testing out this new I pad I bought my son Hunter.
I can type without glasses.lol
Gee Ghost Busters is looking like a lot of fun no complaints about code anywhere also which is a nice peaceful change !
Cheers mate :) I just ducked in for a quick play as a friend has ordered one and I thought I'd give him some feedback although a very quick review sitting in the car park lol. I see on FB it got another code update so that's good news. Put a sheet of PDI glass on and the art and toys will look even better.
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Looks like Stern have learnt from the KISS code debacle with more timely code updates.
Hopefully we'll see some intelligent objective reviews appearing online soon.
Thanks for the update swinks. ^^^
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Great post Pete.
Glad u had a great time. ^^^
Just testing out this new I pad I bought my son Hunter.
I can type without glasses.lol
Gee Ghost Busters is looking like a lot of fun no complaints about code anywhere also which is a nice peaceful change !
Cheers mate :) I just ducked in for a quick play as a friend has ordered one and I thought I'd give him some feedback although a very quick review sitting in the car park lol. I see on FB it got another code update so that's good news. Put a sheet of PDI glass on and the art and toys will look even better.
Thanks for sharing the pictures mate - game looks awesome ^^^
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Here is this mornings stream of GB LE. The magnetic kickers look good to me.
https://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip/v/64587350
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Here is this mornings stream of GB LE. The magnetic kickers look good to me.
https://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip/v/64587350
I haven't watch it yet but read that at the 32 minutes and 59 minutes is all the magnetic ball action
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https://youtu.be/kFUDYo6VK7w?autoplay=1&rel=0
youtube link courtesy of dead flip ^^^
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Cool video, the Prem/LE makes the Pro look pretty lame.
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Only the Americans have a talent for ruining a good video by talking all the way through it and by acting like teenagers. Lol when they are grown men.
Then they react and comment to the weird comments that people are typing and it makes it even more disjointed.
But the machine does look good not withstanding the weirdness of the way they do their videos.
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Here is this mornings stream of GB LE. The magnetic kickers look good to me.
https://www.twitch.tv/dead_flip/v/64587350
I haven't watch it yet but read that at the 32 minutes and 59 minutes is all the magnetic ball action
For the much touted magnaslings, there isn't a lot of ball physics action near the flippers. Much less than traditional slingshots. Many times you see the ball just roll past the slings and no response at all from the slings. On a traditional pair of slings the switches would have at least been triggered and the slingshot fire.
Still should have had them in conjunction with traditional slingshots and only operating during certain modes. If you are paying a premium price a standard feature should be in addition to, not in lieu of.
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I agree with you on this one.
Early days, more video & more time & we might see how they were intended to be used ?
Does anyone know how many LE machines were sold down under.
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some cool effects but not wowed but my excitement on the game has dropped a lot for some reason.
The magna slings only has one switch as opposed to 2 so a glancing hit at the top or bottom of that face won't trigger the magna slings so relies on the centre placed switch and it's setting of sensitivity.
Asked Bruce if the games coming over will have the insert spelling mistake and he was unaware of it, as a few Canadians and US are finding that production games have the mistake but was suppose to be only on the proto. Bruce checked their air freighted game and it has the mistake so now firing Gary a message to make sure the ones coming don't have the mistake.
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Only the Americans have a talent for ruining a good video by talking all the way through it and by acting like teenagers. Lol when they are grown men.
Then they react and comment to the weird comments that people are typing and it makes it even more disjointed.
But the machine does look good not withstanding the weirdness of the way they do their videos.
yes Jack Danger is very over the top but Jody really annoys the crap out of me and he is the head of Marketing !@#.
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Jack is VERY good for pinball to the new up coming crew as he is very much liked and followed by many across the generations. I actually like watching his videos and streaming #@#
Lets face it, who is would do streaming of many different games constantly? I am not sure of many if any.
But I am different to the norm :2cents:
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Jack is VERY good for pinball to the new up coming crew as he is very much liked and followed by many across the generations. I actually like watching his videos and streaming #@#
Lets face it, who is would do streaming of many different games constantly? I am not sure of many if any.
But I am different to the norm :2cents:
I agree mate, Tommy from this flippin podcast does some good ones but not as many as Jack
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some cool effects but not wowed but my excitement on the game has dropped a lot for some reason.
The magna slings only has one switch as opposed to 2 so a glancing hit at the top or bottom of that face won't trigger the magna slings so relies on the centre placed switch and it's setting of sensitivity.
Asked Bruce if the games coming over will have the insert spelling mistake and he was unaware of it, as a few Canadians and US are finding that production games have the mistake but was suppose to be only on the proto. Bruce checked their air freighted game and it has the mistake so now firing Gary a message to make sure the ones coming don't have the mistake.
If u have ordered a game Swinksy, there are going to be days where your excitement goes up and down so that is the norm and don't let the little things like a insert spelling issue or something else small worry you.
Unless you look at the glass half full versus the glass half empty with these pinball machines, you will never be happy.
Because you have an engineers mind, u can't help but to look at these games with a magnifying glass so to speak but when u look at them with this hat on, you always find things that you want to change.
Sometimes it's best just to play them without studying them if u know what I mean.
I am hoping the Stern unboxing videos make a return to this forum with Ghost Busters.
The best un boxing videos were always Petes (Gorgar) from Vic.
It would also be good if a member does a video and some high def photos of a LE. The cabinet looks stunning.
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some cool effects but not wowed but my excitement on the game has dropped a lot for some reason.
The magna slings only has one switch as opposed to 2 so a glancing hit at the top or bottom of that face won't trigger the magna slings so relies on the centre placed switch and it's setting of sensitivity.
Asked Bruce if the games coming over will have the insert spelling mistake and he was unaware of it, as a few Canadians and US are finding that production games have the mistake but was suppose to be only on the proto. Bruce checked their air freighted game and it has the mistake so now firing Gary a message to make sure the ones coming don't have the mistake.
If u have ordered a game Swinksy, there are going to be days where your excitement goes up and down so that is the norm and don't let the little things like a insert spelling issue or something else small worry you.
Unless you look at the glass half full versus the glass half empty with these pinball machines, you will never be happy.
Because you have an engineers mind, u can't help but to look at these games with a magnifying glass so to speak but when u look at them with this hat on, you always find things that you want to change.
Sometimes it's best just to play them without studying them if u know what I mean.
I am hoping the Stern unboxing videos make a return to this forum with Ghost Busters.
The best un boxing videos were always Petes (Gorgar) from Vic.
It would also be good if a member does a video and some high def photos of a LE. The cabinet looks stunning.
sorry cavey, but you don't know what you are talking about, got nothing to do with my engineers mind or a half empty glass, it's bullshit what you come up with sometimes ...............
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Unplanned LE.
If I was ordering one, I would be asking for a machine WITH the spelling error. Presuming this game has a huge run, the spelling errors we'll be in a minority of them, making the unique. Kind off an unplanned LE, with there own story to tell, and perhaps laugh at.
Slings:
I wondered why slings have two switches, then realised that it's only because the kicker is in the middle. It may have been that Stern saw it as simple as that by using the opertunity of putting in only one switch with no kicker taking up the middle position. They probably didn't realise it would affect the sensitivity of ball detection.
There may be an opportunity for a mod here. Tap of two extra switches and surface mount them. Perhaps even add an optical sensor that sees the rubber move. Or maybe a simple bending of the switch leaves will be good enough.
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There's 2 le's coming to Newcastle that I know of
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some cool effects but not wowed but my excitement on the game has dropped a lot for some reason.
The magna slings only has one switch as opposed to 2 so a glancing hit at the top or bottom of that face won't trigger the magna slings so relies on the centre placed switch and it's setting of sensitivity.
Asked Bruce if the games coming over will have the insert spelling mistake and he was unaware of it, as a few Canadians and US are finding that production games have the mistake but was suppose to be only on the proto. Bruce checked their air freighted game and it has the mistake so now firing Gary a message to make sure the ones coming don't have the mistake.
If u have ordered a game Swinksy, there are going to be days where your excitement goes up and down so that is the norm and don't let the little things like a insert spelling issue or something else small worry you.
Unless you look at the glass half full versus the glass half empty with these pinball machines, you will never be happy.
Because you have an engineers mind, u can't help but to look at these games with a magnifying glass so to speak but when u look at them with this hat on, you always find things that you want to change.
Sometimes it's best just to play them without studying them if u know what I mean.
I am hoping the Stern unboxing videos make a return to this forum with Ghost Busters.
The best un boxing videos were always Petes (Gorgar) from Vic.
It would also be good if a member does a video and some high def photos of a LE. The cabinet looks stunning.
sorry cavey, but you don't know what you are talking about, got nothing to do with my engineers mind or a half empty glass, it's bullshit what you come up with sometimes ...............
You obviously & completely had a lost in translation moment on this post.
I was trying to be nice & relate that I could relate to your trepidation but you took my comments completely out of context.
I won't bother in the future because you run hot & cold and that certainly isn't bullshit. Lol
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There's 2 le's coming to Newcastle that I know of
Thank you for the positive post.
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sorry cavey, but you don't know what you are talking about, got nothing to do with my engineers mind or a half empty glass, it's bullshit what you come up with sometimes ...............
Only sometimes?
Unplanned LE.
If I was ordering one, I would be asking for a machine WITH the spelling error. Presuming this game has a huge run, the spelling errors we'll be in a minority of them, making the unique. Kind off an unplanned LE, with there own story to tell, and perhaps laugh at.
Or we could have the same outcome as with Spiderman's "you ooze, you loose" which was never fixed from multiple runs.
It started out as a joke, but by about the third production run, most had given up on the error being corrected.
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I studied the Ghost Busters Pro flyer tonight & came up with a simple mod that I think I will definitely add to the
GHost Busters Pro game,
Instead of the fitted white flipper bats, I thought bright green flipper bats the same colour as the bright slimer monster toy and then add white super band rubbers on the green bats. This would look so much better IMO than the std boring white bats. White rubbers would need a clean periodically but bands are cheap n easy to change.
Even green bats with purple rubbers would work well. If u have a look at page 2 of the Pro flyer, on the bottom right the picture of the slimer monster is there. He is bright green with a purple tounge. So purple bands to match his tounge would match if set against bright green bats.
You could also play around with purple or yellow bats but the green ties in nicely with the slimer toy.
Also on the Pro, you could easily add some splashes of bright green powder coating to the black metalwork side rails and lockdown bar making it look like the slimer has left a trail on them. A simple and nice way to customise and dress up your Pro model & make the machine unique. Same for black legs. A splash of slimer green.
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I studied the Ghost Busters Pro flyer tonight & came up with a simple mod that I think I will definitely add to the
GHost Busters Pro game,
Instead of the fitted white flipper bats, I thought bright green flipper bats the same colour as the bright slimer monster toy and then add white super band rubbers on the green bats. This would look so much better IMO than the std boring white bats. White rubbers would need a clean periodically but bands are cheap n easy to change.
Even green bats with purple rubbers would work well. If u have a look at page 2 of the Pro flyer, on the bottom right the picture of the slimer monster is there. He is bright green with a purple tounge. So purple bands to match his tounge would match if set against bright green bats.
You could also play around with purple or yellow bats but the green ties in nicely with the slimer toy.
Also on the Pro, you could easily add some splashes of bright green powder coating to the black metalwork side rails and lockdown bar making it look like the slimer has left a trail on them. A simple and nice way to customise and dress up your Pro model & make the machine unique. Same for black legs. A splash of slimer green.
I find the white super bands don't get dirty as quickly or as much as standards, so should not be a problem.
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Unboxing videos..... :lol
What a wank.
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Slings:
I wondered why slings have two switches, then realised that it's only because the kicker is in the middle. It may have been that Stern saw it as simple as that by using the opertunity of putting in only one switch with no kicker taking up the middle position. They probably didn't realise it would affect the sensitivity of ball detection.
There may be an opportunity for a mod here. Tap of two extra switches and surface mount them. Perhaps even add an optical sensor that sees the rubber move. Or maybe a simple bending of the switch leaves will be good enough.
They have 2 switches so the ball gets rebounded back at any point of the rubbers. In the 30's this was done with a long coiled spring that ran the length of the area required. This was replaced with a rubber band and then the switches ( 1 at first and then 2 of them) were added for extra effect. This has remained so for some 50+ years because it works.
If Stern didn't realise that the way THEY want to now make slings takes a lot of the effect away then they obviously didn't watch their own video that was released prior to the games launch. They also couldn't have been watching at any point of the R&D process which of course is impossible.
Im all for innovation and the game to be ever evolving, but if you are to reinvent the wheel then the accepted outcome is to make it BETTER ( key word there). When I first criticised the Magna slings the usual pathetic reply of "Stern bashing" once again got banded about... but here we are with a games launch to the market with less effective slings and the customer reaction appears to be luke warm at best. The ridiculousness of the situation becomes almost laughable if customers are actually buying the game and then considering Mods to make the slings act like... wait for it......... SLINGS!!!
So... either the Magna slings are still in the refinement stage in which case its not ready for market... or... Stern want to sell a less effective product and be applauded for striving to be clever ( or unclever in this case). Either way, the punch has been taken out.
Good on you Stern for having a go, but the company isn't a pre school child to be rewarded for at least attending and attempting.. its supposed to be a professional pinball machine manufacturer with some 30+ years below its belt and should only be treated as such.
If they bring back the passive bumper and customers start talking about ways they can make them pop, im taking my ball and going home as its GAME OVER.
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@ Retropin, why do you care?
I was not aware you were in the market for NIB stern
As far as I am concerned, Stern can do what they want, I find none of their games appealing for the asking price
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Unboxing videos..... :lol
What a wank.
Agreed, that is why gameplay videos were posted
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@ Retropin, why do you care?
I was not aware you were in the market for NIB stern
As far as I am concerned, Stern can do what they want, I find none of their games appealing for the asking price
I care because Stern are the market leaders and in all essence ARE pinball today. Having loved pinball for as long as I can remember and having owned games from the 30's right through to the 90's I have a vested interest in the way the game evolves, as does ANYONE who is into pinball. So when we get a hype of "all new magna slings" I am very interested in the new developments and can see great potential.
But.. and heres the crux Pete.. what we actually see is a lack lustre product. Those slings have more dead spots than a friggin grave yard.
So now with Stern we have pop bumpers with a controlled release through a gate and slings that have the "all new slide action wipe with random no action".
Do I like it?..LOL - you decide.
Do I have to be a buyer to cast a critical eye?..NO
Do I have to justify that opinion..NO... but just for you... I did.
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it seems to me that not only does Stern not do QC during production, they also seem to be half arsed during research
surely you dont update an important part of a pinball machine without building a test rig and putting it through it paces 1000000 times?
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it seems to me that not only does Stern not do QC during production, they also seem to be half arsed during research
surely you dont update an important part of a pinball machine without building a test rig and putting it through it paces 1000000 times?
It will all be fixed with the next code update. :lol
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Just watched the video of Steve Ritchie playing the PRO with regular slings... the ball gets kicked right across the PF as per normal.
PRO looks the way to go on this title. I reckon Magna Slings just like Banana Flippers will be a passing fad
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just for those getting a game be aware of some minor issues arising and fixes
a few people are having hit registering issues with Slimer after 10-20 hits. Interesting it is a wire that swings and hits a frame completes the circuit like a tilt bob but if the wire is not straight it can reduce the number of registered hits. Apparently the last image is the way to make slimer more reliable.
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the other is the mid to rhs captive ball wire form as the wire rail is quite thin and after a few games many people are discovering that the wireform is bending and then trapping the captive ball high. Stern's fix at the moment is - just bend it straight.
just some tips for those getting a game to watch out for.
anyone was if the flipper was in the up position and if a ball dropped down on to the flipper in the up position it would drop a little and spring back up rebounding the ball back high again - this at the moment has been solved with a recent code update.
edit - another one was slimmer flew off his wire within 10 games - but a one off with no else yet reporting this one
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hey Swinsky don't really see the fix for slimer in the last pic? can you elaborate if you see what's going on there??
my bad, I see they have positioned the cable on top of the plug. So maybe a cable tie to hold it in place may work if it fits
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hey Swinsky don't really see the fix for slimer in the last pic? can you elaborate if you see what's going on there??
people are aligning the cable (that exits that white ball) over the centre of the plug compared to the 3rd pic with the wire more to the lhs, not highly technical nor long lasting apparently
that plug almost needs a small piece added to the top of it with a slot where the wire can locate in and keep it central
hope that clears up any confusion
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swinsky any chance of making something like this ghost to fit over a flasher etc
https://i1.pinside.com/1/c0/1c04eefff8b7930b8f6f3bd88b3d12f00e018774/resized/740/1c04eefff8b7930b8f6f3bd88b3d12f00e018774.jpeg.jpg
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this is the one here
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mattel-Ghostbusters-Classic-Winston-Zeddemore-Build-Glow-In-Dark-Ghost-Sign-2016-/322100757872?hash=item4afeb38570:g:G-oAAOSw2x1XLlIc
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surely you dont update an important part of a pinball machine without building a test rig and putting it through it paces 1000000 times?
Just blame Sid.
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just played a pro. Not bad had a couple of 200-300m games. Not a drain monster if you treat it with a bit of rough handedness like you would with say a Richmond cheer squad member (sorry Nino couldn't help it).
Looks like a game that can keep your interest for sometime.
my wife on the other hand loved game of throne @.@ even got grand champion so now she wants this.
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Well done Rob on playing the game. I enjoyed the GoT Premium to super fast with SR flow.
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Asked Joe what he's coming up with for GB. He told me he's doing a licensed version. Colour changing obviously. He said this was an early version but I will turn it green for my Le. I hope he keeps it simple I like his more simple designs.
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just played a pro. Not bad had a couple of 200-300m games. Not a drain monster if you treat it with a bit of rough handedness like you would with say a Richmond cheer squad member (sorry Nino couldn't help it).
Looks like a game that can keep your interest for sometime.
my wife on the other hand loved game of throne @.@ even got grand champion so now she wants this.
So where is the issue - you can now get two machines and not be told you are sleeping on the couch for the next week!! #*#
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Asked Joe what he's coming up with for GB. He told me he's doing a licensed version. Colour changing obviously. He said this was an early version but I will turn it green for my Le. I hope he keeps it simple I like his more simple designs.
The red looks nice as an ambient light. Green may be harsh. It looks nice regardless.
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just played a pro. Not bad had a couple of 200-300m games. Not a drain monster if you treat it with a bit of rough handedness like you would with say a Richmond cheer squad member (sorry Nino couldn't help it).
Looks like a game that can keep your interest for sometime.
my wife on the other hand loved game of throne @.@ even got grand champion so now she wants this.
So where is the issue - you can now get two machines and not be told you are sleeping on the couch for the next week!! #*#
actually trying to talk her out of it as I know it'll probably not get played much. I couldn't see the appeal in this title. Most of the pf is covered up.
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forgot to mention yesterday, but anyone notice the GB at Zax had the dymo sticker seen on the game displayed at the US shows and played on dead flip. Could this be the same machine. "Egon's Game" or something
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The Ghost Busters sales flyer on Sterns websites (FB & Std website) is worth downloading & printing out.
I always go to a local print shop & I get them to print me both sides of the flyer (or both pages if in PDF format) and get a large poster made. You can print easily in A4 or A3, but I get double the size of A3 to make a great poster & the print quality is still crystal clear being digitally enlarged.
The GB flyer makes for a awesome poster for your games room.
(Or any of the Stern flyers all available on Sterns site, or u can do the same for any pinball flyer for any make or model)
Hope it helps GB buyers & anyone else interested in turning simple into a excellent poster & end result to place on the wall.
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just played a pro. Not bad had a couple of 200-300m games. Not a drain monster if you treat it with a bit of rough handedness like you would with say a Richmond cheer squad member (sorry Nino couldn't help it).
Looks like a game that can keep your interest for sometime.
my wife on the other hand loved game of throne @.@ even got grand champion so now she wants this.
The missus liking a pin to the point of wanting one is a good thing.. &&
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Asked Joe what he's coming up with for GB. He told me he's doing a licensed version. Colour changing obviously. He said this was an early version but I will turn it green for my Le. I hope he keeps it simple I like his more simple designs.
Looks good.
Proper logo is a bonus which Stern negated to put anywhere on the playfield instead opting for a generic Casper style.
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swinsky any chance of making something like this ghost to fit over a flasher etc
https://i1.pinside.com/1/c0/1c04eefff8b7930b8f6f3bd88b3d12f00e018774/resized/740/1c04eefff8b7930b8f6f3bd88b3d12f00e018774.jpeg.jpg
From the previous page, the photo with the green slimer & the ghost above the kick out hole, This is a great photo.
Makes a great wallpaper/background screen for the computers. Thanks for posting.
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This great photo
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The red looks nice as an ambient light. Green may be harsh. It looks nice regardless.
Green would be better as it will compensate for the orange display. &&
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forgot to mention yesterday, but anyone notice the GB at Zax had the dymo sticker seen on the game displayed at the US shows and played on dead flip. Could this be the same machine. "Egon's Game" or something
Probably right, either way it is an early machine with a few kinks still to iron out.
Hopefully Stern can get on top of it in a timely manner, rather than when the crowd of discontent hit the crescendo like KISS.
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This great photo
Agree great picture :)
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Asked Bruce if the games coming over will have the insert spelling mistake and he was unaware of it, as a few Canadians and US are finding that production games have the mistake but was suppose to be only on the proto. Bruce checked their air freighted game and it has the mistake so now firing Gary a message to make sure the ones coming don't have the mistake.
Any updates on this swinks?
Be interesting to see just which machines AMD end up with - maybe he might need to forc the issue? #@#
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I wonder if a bright green DMD display in Ghostbusters could be arranged ?
Slimer DMD.
Also, as a topper, a giant green Slimer identical to the one on the play field.
This should be the colour and the artwork for the topper.
The one prev shown looks pretty lifeless and dull.
Perhaps Stern may come up with something excellent.
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I care because Stern are the market leaders and in all essence ARE pinball today. Having loved pinball for as long as I can remember and having owned games from the 30's right through to the 90's I have a vested interest in the way the game evolves, as does ANYONE who is into pinball. So when we get a hype of "all new magna slings" I am very interested in the new developments and can see great potential.
But.. and heres the crux Pete.. what we actually see is a lack lustre product. Those slings have more dead spots than a friggin grave yard.
So now with Stern we have pop bumpers with a controlled release through a gate and slings that have the "all new slide action wipe with random no action".
Do I like it?..LOL - you decide.
Do I have to be a buyer to cast a critical eye?..NO
Do I have to justify that opinion..NO... but just for you... I did.
Well said mate. Stern have always been a reactive follower who don't take opposing viewpoints all that well which is probably why they appeal so much to certain personality types. %$%
Kudos to them for giving a new product a shot, but you can't release what is in essence a $10,000 plus prototype onto the market and not expect feedback.
As it stands it will take a lot of improvement for those magnaslings as they are to reach the level of traditional mechanical slingshots.
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just for those getting a game be aware of some minor issues arising and fixes
a few people are having hit registering issues with Slimer after 10-20 hits. Interesting it is a wire that swings and hits a frame completes the circuit like a tilt bob but if the wire is not straight it can reduce the number of registered hits. Apparently the last image is the way to make slimer more reliable.
the other is the mid to rhs captive ball wire form as the wire rail is quite thin and after a few games many people are discovering that the wireform is bending and then trapping the captive ball high. Stern's fix at the moment is - just bend it straight.
just some tips for those getting a game to watch out for.
anyone was if the flipper was in the up position and if a ball dropped down on to the flipper in the up position it would drop a little and spring back up rebounding the ball back high again - this at the moment has been solved with a recent code update.
edit - another one was slimmer flew off his wire within 10 games - but a one off with no else yet reporting this one
It's a damn shame that the end consumers are effectively becoming the de facto beta testers for a product which should have been corrected in prototype stage.
The first time slimer didn't register in testing it should have been logged, the second time it should have been investigated, the third - well there wouldn't be a third as it would have been fixed before release.
This is the primary toy on a Pro machine after all.
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Unboxing videos..... :lol
What a wank.
+1
Given the Australian Consumer Law, the lowering of quality control at the manufacturing level by Stern and the subsequent rise in warranty claims on a domestic level, anything coming through the Australian distributors (at least via AMD) now has already been unboxed, inspected and reboxed prior to receipt to an individual customer.
This was confirmed in writing by the AMD owner.
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So so so many negative & incorrect ASSumptions.
Firstly, AMD only take BNIB Sterns out of the box if the buyer has agreed to it or has requested it.
AMD has never unboxed any of my BNIB Sterns.
I have also never had one fault with a NIB Stern.
Unboxing videos are enjoyable to people who like seeing other members realising their dream of owning a new pinball machine. Just because some idiots are Stern haters it doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't enjoy other people unboxing a new toy.
Also, the personality types comment about Stern etc is just insulting.
These attitudes are just ignorant & discriminatory.
Is this thread going to be ruined by more Stern assassinations.
If it wasn't so very very stupid it would be comical.
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So so so many negative & incorrect ASSumptions.
Firstly, AMD only take BNIB Sterns out of the box if the buyer has agreed to it or has requested it.
AMD has never unboxed any of my BNIB Sterns.
I have also never had one fault with a NIB Stern.
Unboxing videos are enjoyable to people who like seeing other members realising their dream of owning a new pinball machine. Just because some idiots are Stern haters it doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't enjoy other people unboxing a new toy.
Also, the personality types comment about Stern etc is just insulting.
These attitudes are just ignorant & discriminatory.
Is this thread going to be ruined by more Stern assassinations.
If it wasn't so very very stupid it would be comical.
Sorry Cavey you are incorrect, now AMD unbox every machine unless specifically requested due to issues & problems as they rather catch issues at their shop before it goes to customers homes and business locations.
This is Bruce's response to my NIB question
"We don’t send many pinballs out new in box,if there is anything wrong when you unpack it causes too many problems!"
And based on guys in Europe, Canada and the USA there are lots of problems with Slimer no registering and one slimer broke off the wire with 10 games, a few cases of clear chipping at the shooter lane, captive ball wire bending and Stern's response was just rebend it back and so many games went out with the insert spelling error all around the world when Stern said it was just a proto - which obviously was a lie as they would of had 500-1000 playfields done and just used those. Bruce didn't know about the spelling mistake and then checked his own game and it was there and promptly chased up Gary.
This is one of Stern's best looking and packed games in a long time and wanted to support and had knowledge of it for far longer than the general public but for business and personal reasons at this point in time I have cancelled my order, hoping to get one in 12-18 months time.
As for Stern many people want to support them and are very positive but when they constantly drop the ball on QA issues the doubt grows. They might have the biggest factory and able to build 9 different games at a time but their parts supply/stock , man / lady power, and scheduling hold them back on delivering machines on time and without QA issues. No point flogging off to people that you can build 9 different games on multiple production lines when stocks run out and stops machines going into boxes and you effectively sending out far less models - production delays on Metallica, GB and others.
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I think my bad as I reckon the sticker could be part of the artwork. I didn't look closely at it, just a glance. I think I saw a picture of a home pro with the exact label. Sorry for the misrepresentation.
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Bruce has always suggested for 6 - 7 plus years that they inspect just to be safe etc but it is not mandatory and never has been so I am not incorrect because not every single machine gets taken out of the boxes. I know a lot of collectors that have purchased repeated Bnib Stern machines and like me, they want them as is, from factory untouched. I don't want a machine that has been unpacked & re packed.
Unlike a newbie who has no pinball or electronics experience, there is nothing I can't fix given the business I have run for close to 20 years. Not one of the new Sterns have ever needed a thing. It's a small minority percentage of machines that might need an adjustment. The feedback I get from many purchasers & from Stern agents is 5 percent or less.
To be blatant, I think AMD likes to check machines because there are some dishonest buyers out there who would make claims for parts that they want for other sited machines. The pinball industry certainly isn't full of honest people & their are a lot of buyers out there that would try anything on to get a free part if they could.
But if the person is known to AMD, has purchased before and is known to be honest, then sending out a machine untouched isn't a issue for them or any Stern dealer from direct discussions I have had.
Every new product has factory design & adjustment issues from time to time in any industry.
What is frustrating is that unexperienced people who have never purchased a BNIB Stern think the majority of machines are needing fixes. It's a tiny minority.
Also, Stern doesn't have any parts or supply problems. I buy stuff from Stern often for my own collection & others & they always provide me stock within a few weeks, translites, LED DMD display, shakers , Data East & Sega stuff etc etc etc. Stern have a lot of NOS stuff that people haven't even thought of. The amount of brand new NOS stuff Stern has avail for any title is staggering. Only after u investigate you find out what's avail. I have parts people think u would never get or Stern wouldn't advertise but anything for anything they have ever made is available. You just find out the part no, then u order thru AMD etc. the hardest issue is for Stern to find the box of parts out of the 1,000s of boxes but they never fail to locate the parts.
You can order any title out of apx 10 & the longest waiting period for 90 percent of products is a few weeks to one month.
Obviously, the latest title is going to be longer due to massive demand, LE runs vs Premium vs Pro etc, but once initial orders are processed, getting any title is usually only 2 to 4 weeks max plus shipping via air or sea. Example, in 3 to 4 months time, most initial orders for GB will be well on their way. Then the initial wait times will settle like they always do. That's when the 2 to 4 weeks lead time exists again to get any title.
Stern can now accomodate small to massive runs. They are more flexible with production then they have ever been. That's great.
I speak to people who work at Stern in Mgmt positions quite often & I hear directly from the factory as to what the facts are. It takes less than 48 hrs to get a stock/part no, and rarely do Stern say they can't ship within a few days.
Even if a Prem Translite etc is out of stock or on back order, it's usually rectified in a matter of weeks.
The one thing Stern does do best, is its stock control.
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It may not have been madatory in the past, but it is now. Swinks has heard it straight from AMD and thereis also a thread on pinside that has an email from AMD stating that they will inspect all machines from now.
Anyway, all that aside, I'm looking forward to having a bash on the AMD machine they flew over in the next day or two.
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Not mandatory for existing customers who don't want their machines unpacked.
Certainly not the case with me & never will be.
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Popcorn, get your freshly popped popcorn here
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I can confirm that since KISS, ALL distributors are required to to unbox ALL games for quality assurance. It is mandatory.
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Pinball discrimination......... :wtf:
Political correctness just got even more irrelevant.
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I can confirm that since KISS, ALL distributors are required to to unbox ALL games for quality assurance. It is mandatory.
I'm not sure who's right or wrong (although I can only see 4 members posts shit I love the ignore feature) but having said that I've had all my games checked ( they travel along way) to sort any issues before I open it and I've been happy doing it this way. I personally think it should be the buyers choice but understand why AMD like to open the games. I've heard some funny stories about buyers demands lol
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Well, a couple of long winded posts replete with huff and puff as per usual but in the end it amounts to another public fail with nothing to back it up.
Thanks to the confirmation from multiple members from multiple States as to the validity of my original statement. Bruce from AMD had confirmed this with me as well that it was now POLICY for ALL machines to be opened, inspected and repacked regardless of customer history. This was ONE of the deciding factors in holding off purchasing a NIB GB from AMD this time around or picking up one later as a HUO model - I chose the latter option whereas in the past was more than keen to pick up an actual NIB (rather than opened and then repacked) if the title appealed to me.
It does go to show which people on this forum have actually made contact in recent times to AMD about purchasing a NIB machine from AMD and how their policy has now changed and therefore have actual first hand knowledge of such matters instead of inventing fantasy on the fly.
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The recent delays on the production line are more to do with issues with Spiderman playfields (resolved). In addition, there have been logistical issues with suppliers that have halted and delayed production.
Stern are working hard to address these issues. They have also improved the application of the clearcoat to playfield starting with KISS. So it is all great news for Stern buyers. Ghostbuster LEs sold well and quickly. The Pro has sold well, but not the same numbers as KISS, but more than WWE and GoT.
I have spoken to a couple of collectors, NOT Stern fans at all, but they LOVE Ghostbusters PRO after playing it. That's a big statement !
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(although I can only see 4 members posts shit I love the ignore feature)
It appears to like you too...
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AMD have told me they open all boxes. Also as far as shipping was told for a GoT prem I'm looking at Sept if order today. Haven't done the maths but could equate to a few weeks???
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apparently stock supply issues with parts for Spiderman, Metallica and Ghostbusters
didn't you go to the US Cavey for a Stern tour, what did you see?
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:lol
When I visit the Stren factory I will ask Gerry what the hell is going on!
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Just watched the dead flip video again really loving the magna slings great change and suit the theme perfectly. Awesome light show and art. Not long Rob and your be unboxing your game.
Pretty sure I waited 3 months for my ACDC LE and the wait killed me-imagine buying off Jersey Jack
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Just watched the dead flip video again really loving the magna slings great change and suit the theme perfectly. Awesome light show and art. Not long Rob and your be unboxing your game.
Pretty sure I waited 3 months for my ACDC LE and the wait killed me-imagine buying off Jersey Jack
funny did the same. The slings are predominately dead, but I was watching the sling inserts light up and was thinking as a player that they are intimidating. With normal slings, you know the ball is going to shoot the opposite way and so you try to bump it as best you can. These you know something is going to happen, but what??? It could be a standard sling, nothing at all, drop to the flipper etc. So could be interesting.
The wait is now killing me, didn't think it would but it does. Worse things could happen could happen in life so no big deal really.
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Only 2 months Rob :) it will be here before you know it :) I was worried the Magna slings would do "to much" but there pretty good now imagine when fully coded. I'd like to see how the subway diverter works shame they didn't lift the PF.
You buying through AMD? I'll see it come through my depot before you lol-we have some dodgy fork drivers to lol jokes jokes
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Only 2 months Rob :) it will be here before you know it :) I was worried the Magna slings would do "to much" but there pretty good now imagine when fully coded. I'd like to see how the subway diverter works shame they didn't lift the PF.
You buying through AMD? I'll see it come through my depot before you lol-we have some dodgy fork drivers to lol jokes jokes
I'll get Bruce to label it pinball god so you can't miss it ^&^
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Just watched the dead flip video again really loving the magna slings great change and suit the theme perfectly. Awesome light show and art. Not long Rob and your be unboxing your game.
Pretty sure I waited 3 months for my ACDC LE and the wait killed me-imagine buying off Jersey Jack
funny did the same. The slings are predominately dead, but I was watching the sling inserts light up and was thinking as a player that they are intimidating. With normal slings, you know the ball is going to shoot the opposite way and so you try to bump it as best you can. These you know something is going to happen, but what??? It could be a standard sling, nothing at all, drop to the flipper etc. So could be interesting.
The wait is now killing me, didn't think it would but it does. Worse things could happen could happen in life so no big deal really.
Revel in the wait, I recall the fun of antipation waiting for a game for many months. Part of the fun!
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Just watched the dead flip video again really loving the magna slings great change and suit the theme perfectly. Awesome light show and art. Not long Rob and your be unboxing your game.
Pretty sure I waited 3 months for my ACDC LE and the wait killed me-imagine buying off Jersey Jack
funny did the same. The slings are predominately dead, but I was watching the sling inserts light up and was thinking as a player that they are intimidating. With normal slings, you know the ball is going to shoot the opposite way and so you try to bump it as best you can. These you know something is going to happen, but what??? It could be a standard sling, nothing at all, drop to the flipper etc. So could be interesting.
The wait is now killing me, didn't think it would but it does. Worse things could happen could happen in life so no big deal really.
Revel in the wait, I recall the fun of antipation waiting for a game for many months. Part of the fun!
^^^
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Does anyone know if Timezone GC has the Ghost Busters pro yet?
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Just watched the dead flip video again really loving the magna slings great change and suit the theme perfectly. Awesome light show and art. Not long Rob and your be unboxing your game.
Pretty sure I waited 3 months for my ACDC LE and the wait killed me-imagine buying off Jersey Jack
funny did the same. The slings are predominately dead, but I was watching the sling inserts light up and was thinking as a player that they are intimidating. With normal slings, you know the ball is going to shoot the opposite way and so you try to bump it as best you can. These you know something is going to happen, but what??? It could be a standard sling, nothing at all, drop to the flipper etc. So could be interesting.
The wait is now killing me, didn't think it would but it does. Worse things could happen could happen in life so no big deal really.
Revel in the wait, I recall the fun of antipation waiting for a game for many months. Part of the fun!
+1
Half the fun IS the wait. Best way to deal with it is forget about it, or start buying mods - which might make you worse !
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The longer the wait the better imo, there is more chance of another code update the longer it drags on.
It's all good!
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Have you purchased a car with zero kms? You mean 5km or so??? I've purchased a few and none have zero as I think they roll them on and off of transporters etc. I may be naïve??
my bad if so. but I'd rather AMD just checked to see if the game is damaged, complete, wired for oz etc even though I can do some minor stuff on pinballs.
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I like pinball
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I like pinball but I can easily think of better things to do than fly half way across the world to visit a factory!
It would be the last thing on my list if I was visiting the states.
(((
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Id visit it if I was going to the area anyway
I'd also like to visit home pin, but there is not much touristy in that area
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Maybe Cavey was trying to get himself adopted by Gary Stern?
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pictures or it did not happen, I only asked as you suggested that is where you were going and then silence and thought you would of been raving about it.
+1 #*#
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Id visit it if I was going to the area anyway
I'd also like to visit home pin, but there is not much touristy in that area
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Maybe Cavey was trying to get himself adopted by Gary Stern?
China is an experience full stop.. might not be "touristy" but the sheer magnitude of the cities will blow you away.. then there are the markets for everything and anything... old city... eating REAL Chinese food, the people.. the way of life.. it is a very cool place.
Spent 10 days in Guangzhou and I loved the place... Shenzhen is even bigger. You wont be disappointed
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maybe this is why there are delays %.%
kidding
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^^Classic. %.%
I read the death hoax on pinside and noticed how quickly they were able to get a sign made up with the Mark Twain quote and have the CEO hightail it down to the factory line for a photo op.
A nice bread and circus diversion from current internal problems.
No wonder they appeal so much to certain personality types.
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There is a Ghost Busters (and Game of Throwns) at:
www.fancyhanks.com (http://www.fancyhanks.com)
456 Queen St, Melbourne
It is the Queen Victoria Market area.
If someone explained to me how to add a photo, I have one to add. (I have an iMac, and I have a hunch the 'Insert Image' only works on a PC).
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There is a Ghost Busters (and Game of Throwns) at:
www.fancyhanks.com (http://www.fancyhanks.com)
456 Queen St, Melbourne
It is the Queen Victoria Market area.
If someone explained to me how to add a photo, I have one to add.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll make sure I drop in next time I'm in the area. ^^^
Anyone know of any sited GB's in Brisbane?
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midnight madness
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If someone explained to me how to add a photo, I have one to add. (I have an iMac, and I have a hunch the 'Insert Image' only works on a PC).
I have imacs and easy to add a photo
- slide your photo from iphoto over to onto the desktop
- then do a post
- select additional options
- the select browse > desktop > select photo (but needs to be under 2mb)
- if your photo is over 2mb on the desktop open it > duplicate > save as and adjust the file size
hope that helps
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midnight madness
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Looks like a blast!
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midnight madness
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Looks like a blast!
+1 looks like a lot of fun.
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midnight madness
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Super cool mode :) Think I'll end up with one of these one day.
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#@#
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$.$
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If someone explained to me how to add a photo, I have one to add. (I have an iMac, and I have a hunch the 'Insert Image' only works on a PC).
I have imacs and easy to add a photo
- slide your photo from iphoto over to onto the desktop
- then do a post
- select additional options
- the select browse > desktop > select photo (but needs to be under 2mb)
- if your photo is over 2mb on the desktop open it > duplicate > save as and adjust the file size
hope that helps
The old Additional Options trick! I never noticed that. Thanks.
Here is GB Pro and GOT Pro at fancyhanks, 456 Queen St, Melbourne (Queen Victoria Market).
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A guy on Pinside did this custom chrome pro looks nice
https://youtu.be/jcVqcnvEQ2Q
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always thought this game should have brushed aluminum or a chrome job, that looks great
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Bit too much for me, looks very pale and GHOSTLY !
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video of the chromed out GB
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That chrome job looks bloody nice to me.
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I really like the chrome on this game too.
Looks insane!
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someone in vegas decided to add a post and not even in the centre
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someone in vegas decided to add a post and not even in the centre
I had a lot of centre drains in the few games I have played.
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LE's cooking at the moment. Hopefully not long before I can test those slings #*#
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I will be releasing 3 1/8" bats in the next week to get that extra bit of reach as well as 3" ones so you can swap between the 2 in a matter of minutes without lifting the playfield.
white concept ones are the white bats and the black concept ones are the 3 1/8" - both these are a PKE meter styled bat
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Here is a simple mod for the Stern Ghostbusters pinball - Ghost Trap for the shooter gauge slot on the apron. These are renders showing what it would look like with the green section as a simulation of possibly some green led glow from underneath that could be on all the time or timed with an insert of the ball launch ?? something for you to decide and customise a little. Simply double side tape it down or 2 dabs of a silicon glue. Either paint or print up a small piece of paper or sticker for the hazard tape on the opened doors.
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here is the slimer mech fix for the pro's which I think is the same as the premium / le?
good that they came out with a fix but not the neatest design, the game looks great and then a crimped terminal with some spare wire cable tied
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I spent an hour and a half playing on this game this morning.
Stunning machine to look at, it really pops.
Audio is top notch, even on the Timezone floor the music and call outs can be heard clearly.
Wish it had a lcd instead of dmd, dmd animations look ancient to me.
Lots of fun to play but it is tough and it can be frustrating. If you are a novice player this game will either inspire you to improve your skills or send you cowering away.
Had a few airballs off the drop targets and slimer but nothing major.
Outlanes require a rethinking of nudging technique.
Great game, can only get better with more code.
I will be back again this week to play it again with my kids and see what they think of it.
Played AMH as well, only had the one game on it as the audio is distorted and crackled and it annoyed the hell out of me.
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I spent an hour and a half playing on this game this morning.
Stunning machine to look at, it really pops.
Audio is top notch, even on the Timezone floor the music and call outs can be heard clearly.
Wish it had a lcd instead of dmd, dmd animations look ancient to me.
Lots of fun to play but it is tough and it can be frustrating. If you are a novice player this game will either inspire you to improve your skills or send you cowering away.
Had a few airballs off the drop targets and slimer but nothing major.
Outlanes require a rethinking of nudging technique.
Great game, can only get better with more code.
I will be back again this week to play it again with my kids and see what they think of it.
Played AMH as well, only had the one game on it as the audio is distorted and crackled and it annoyed the hell out of me.
thanks for the assessment ^^^
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Sounds like you made a good choice Rob on the GBLE. Hanging for a game
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I'll wait to play these slings on the Prem before deciding but I was more impressed with the Pro than I thought I would be.
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Sounds like you made a good choice Rob on the GBLE. Hanging for a game
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^^^ *)*
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I spent an hour and a half playing on this game this morning.
Stunning machine to look at, it really pops.
Audio is top notch, even on the Timezone floor the music and call outs can be heard clearly.
Wish it had a lcd instead of dmd, dmd animations look ancient to me.
Lots of fun to play but it is tough and it can be frustrating. If you are a novice player this game will either inspire you to improve your skills or send you cowering away.
Had a few airballs off the drop targets and slimer but nothing major.
Outlanes require a rethinking of nudging technique.
Great game, can only get better with more code.
I will be back again this week to play it again with my kids and see what they think of it.
Played AMH as well, only had the one game on it as the audio is distorted and crackled and it annoyed the hell out of me.
Impressive assessment. I knew the game would look and appear to play well - but I'm pleased you found the game to be great ^^^
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I spent an hour and a half playing on this game this morning.
Stunning machine to look at, it really pops.
Audio is top notch, even on the Timezone floor the music and call outs can be heard clearly.
Wish it had a lcd instead of dmd, dmd animations look ancient to me.
Lots of fun to play but it is tough and it can be frustrating. If you are a novice player this game will either inspire you to improve your skills or send you cowering away.
Had a few airballs off the drop targets and slimer but nothing major.
Outlanes require a rethinking of nudging technique.
Great game, can only get better with more code.
I will be back again this week to play it again with my kids and see what they think of it.
Played AMH as well, only had the one game on it as the audio is distorted and crackled and it annoyed the hell out of me.
Impressive assessment. I knew the game would look and appear to play well - but I'm pleased you found the game to be great ^^^
I enjoyed it that much I went back again yesterday for another session with the kids and they have given it the big thumbs up despite it being a hard game.
It is the perfect game for us to put next to SM.
We will wait for the Premiums.
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Code update:
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Here's a video with the new 1.05 code looks great-dots are awesome.
https://youtu.be/zCjp8pOZ_bE
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Game play video of LE at the German Open with Trudeau commentating
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also like the feature of the game calling up the player
when the 2 inserts in front of the slingshots are lit it will do the weird things - eg at 11min 30 sec
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sooooooo many shots and modes ^^^
I wanted player 4 to win as he didn't fxxk around trapping and slowing the game down.
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gb topper price for oz $825. I'm out for more reasons than just price.
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gb topper price for oz $825. I'm out for more reasons than just price.
not surprised and thought it would be around the $750, probably a bit in it but that is alot
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Rob I think you should get your better half to buy it. I mean she did sort of force you into buying the machine after all
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Rob I think you should get your better half to buy it. I mean she did sort of force you into buying the machine after all
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no I'm not that kind of guy, but have told her to take a good, hard look at herself and heavily consider the city scape blades. %$%
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Rob I think you should get your better half to buy it. I mean she did sort of force you into buying the machine after all
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no I'm not that kind of guy, but have told her to take a good, hard look at herself and heavily consider the city scape blades. %$%
Good thinking Rob, I think it's the least she could do considering all the arm twisting she must have done to make you buy it. %.%
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The topper looks like crap to me, $850 is a hilarious asking price for that monstrosity!
:lol
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The topper looks like crap to me, $850 is a hilarious asking price for that monstrosity!
:lol
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Hi all.
Does anyone know if one's on location in Melbourne?
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Premiums will be in Oz in July according to AMD.
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check out the shooter rod mod for $90 !@#
https://youtu.be/ExUFx3kw2qQ?autoplay=1&rel=0
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nice look at an LE in play. Magna slings seem to work ok. Only 38 second video so won't lose too much of your life.
https://youtu.be/ek5Yix2rT_U?autoplay=1&rel=0
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That looks awesome Rob!
Subway ramp is super cool and it looks so much better with the 3d buildings too.
Bring on the unboxing party $#$ $#$
+ so I can pay you....... !@)
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That looks awesome Rob!
Subway ramp is super cool and it looks so much better with the 3d buildings too.
Bring on the unboxing party $#$ $#$
+ so I can pay you....... !@)
looks like July 8 eta Sydney port
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Magna slings seem to work ok
different is a good thing me thinks ! really looking forward to bashing this one around
WHO YA GONNA CALL!
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definitely not going to call Stern for a shooter rod - that is terrible and at $90 USD
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definitely not going to call Stern for a shooter rod - that is terrible and at $90 USD
sorry mate $99aud
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That looks awesome Rob!
Subway ramp is super cool and it looks so much better with the 3d buildings too.
Bring on the unboxing party $#$ $#$
+ so I can pay you....... !@)
+1
() #@# *%*
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Unboxing topper.
https://youtu.be/h3sojxN0HT4
Topper in action (crap video quality)
https://youtu.be/-ma-UJlkyqY
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Here is the Premium.
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Here is the Premium.
slings look like they function to an acceptable level. Didn't look overly like a drain monster if you can play a bit.
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Slings look like they function better than any previous clips weve seen when actually activated.. looks like they are not as sensitive as the Pro slings though
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Spent another 3 hours or so playing the pro with the kids on site this morning.
They are really looking forward to unboxing the Prem.
Busting makes us feel good!
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Live streaming of the premium in action.
https://www.twitch.tv/gexchange
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https://youtu.be/d5Q6i0OZEIU
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Tripped over this when I went to watch tv. Wish my wife wouldn't leave things lying around the house ^&^
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^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
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Awesome :)
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cool, wish my wife would leave boxes like that laying around, enjoy
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oooooooooooooooooooo! got to be happy with that ^^^
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Tripped over this when I went to watch tv. Wish my wife wouldn't leave things lying around the house ^&^
Whohooooo!!!!
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Great present. Whilst you're unboxing in the games room Rob I hear that the Jimmy Choo truck is backing up at the garage to unload a container of shoes for the wifey!!
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Awesome Rob! Great stuff, enjoy ^^^
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Great present. Whilst you're unboxing in the games room Rob I hear that the Jimmy Choo truck is backing up at the garage to unload a container of shoes for the wifey!!
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Finally, finally had the pleasure of playing GB Pro at KJWHF.
First impressions are absolutely awesome. I mean the sound, the look, the wank factor, the layout ( even the slightly bigger flipper gap ), the unusual orbits set up, one way gates, Slimer basher, implementation to the movie and ramp shot are simply brilliant.
SO much fun and laughter and great flowing shots to be had.
Didn't play long enough to get an idea of how good the rule set plays, but I never really go by too much rule set anyway.
The call outs and the music linked to the game are just that good and on first impressions you can not help but get sucked into the frivolity.
If any operators site this am sure it will do very well. OI for one would drop quite a few in the slot.
Not sure on the overall longevity being tied into a license, but I would love to seriously suss out the premium model when they arrive.
I saw no issues on this particular game, then again I was smiling and enjoying it too much to care.
RIPPER ^^^
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CODE UPDATE - Stern Pinball has released code update version 1.10 for Ghostbusters Pinball. The update is for Pro, Premium and LE models. This new version features an all new video mode, a list of fixes and a load of tweaks!
Complete details can be found in the READ ME file attached with the update on our website.
http://www.sternpinball.com/game-code/game-code-ghostbusters-pro
http://www.sternpinball.com/game-code/game-code-ghostbusters-premium
http://www.sternpinball.com/game-code/game-code-ghostbusters-le
Stern Pinball is committed to quality code. Stay tuned to our social media for more code updates on other titles coming soon!
PRO V1.10 - October 6, 2016
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New:
- Added a new video mode called Don't Cross the Streams. You now may choose between "Negative Reinforcement" or "Don't Cross the Streams".
- Added Scare Feature adjustment
- Added TIME OUT MODES Adjustment; When a mode times out it will not require the player to restart it. It will not relight modes.
- Added MODE CONTINUE Adjustment; If you drain while a mode is running it will continue on the next ball.
Fixes:
- Loopin Supers was making the wrong speech call if you had 3X
Super lit before you started it. All Loopin Super awards
are 1X Super Jackpots.
- Eddy Murphy was spelled incorrectly.
- Ad-Libbed was spelled incorrectly.
- Shaker Motor Adjustment was not turning the shaker motor off when required.
- When you complete all nine modes the modes will all unlight now so you can play them all again.
Tweaks:
- Changed the sound of a couple timer sounds
- Tweaked instant info
- Changed GHOST letters to always reset to one shot away before bringing out Slimer on MEDIUM or EASY. Changed HARD to be less hard.
- All multiballs now light Add-a-ball at their start.
- Changed Skill shot for top lane P from +5X to +3X
- Changed dozens of speech calls to be a bit brighter.
- Tweaked the colors of modes and features
- Severely reduced how much the Gozer the Gozerian mode increases the Super Jackpot Value
- Made Slimer less sensitive when he first begins to decend.
- Increased the max ball save time from 15 seconds to 60 seconds
- Delayed Ball Search at end of modes when needed.
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apparently a few bugs found by players:
- the E insert for the PKE npow flickers constantly so be aware...
- if you have a mode running, hitting the skill shot on the right or left scoop won't award Tobin or the video mode. It just gives you the 10% of your score and ejects the ball.
- ballroom shots are now the wrong colour (blue instead of pink).
- the flipper power appears a bit stronger now. After only a few games way more crazy airballs from the left ramp targets now.
but I suppose people gotta play the update to discover bugs
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I had the pleasure of playing an LE on the weekend. It looks and plays incredibly well. The overall package is a game you can just stand back and admire. The layout is TYPICAL Trudeau - simply amazing. EVERYTHING about the game is amazing. It is HARD, but immensely "fun" to play. It was the favorite game that the kids played the most.
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finally took the plunge and paid a 50% deposit on a GB Pro coming in Jan with only 5 or 6 coming into Aus
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Congrats but why the change of heart?
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financial situation improved, and some of the issues sorted now
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finally took the plunge and paid a 50% deposit on a GB Pro coming in Jan with only 5 or 6 coming into Aus
I suggest you think about undoing that ...and upgrading to a Premium &&.
I played one last weekend on location. It would have to be the best Stern for a long time, and possibly the pinball of the year. I can't compare to other companies as I've never seen any others face to face.
Magnaflippers: I had forgotten about the magnaflippers being on that game, and didn't notice any difference in the play of the kickers - an indication that they work well. I had no idea about the rules, so never got them in a mode where they would through the ball around.
%)% For those in Melbourne or Eastern Victoria, Top Fun at Rosebud is where I played the Premium. It's there first pin. I've hassled the owner a few times about getting a pinball. If you are in the area, please stop buy and play it. It may encourage him to get more. The venue has mini golf, bowling and arcade games (mostly 'redemption').
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Thanks for the heads up for Rosebud. We try to get down to the peninsula over xmas hols each year. Will try and have a look
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finally took the plunge and paid a 50% deposit on a GB Pro coming in Jan with only 5 or 6 coming into Aus
I suggest you think about undoing that ...and upgrading to a Premium &&.
I played one last weekend on location. It would have to be the best Stern for a long time, and possibly the pinball of the year. I can't compare to other companies as I've never seen any others face to face.
Magnaflippers: I had forgotten about the magnaflippers being on that game, and didn't notice any difference in the play of the kickers - an indication that they work well. I had no idea about the rules, so never got them in a mode where they would through the ball around.
%)% For those in Melbourne or Eastern Victoria, Top Fun at Rosebud is where I played the Premium. It's there first pin. I've hassled the owner a few times about getting a pinball. If you are in the area, please stop buy and play it. It may encourage him to get more. The venue has mini golf, bowling and arcade games (mostly 'redemption').
magna slings play more havoc the further you progress in the game. they can do some mental stuff that really makes the game even more challenging. They are a great feature for this game and they are a feature worth having, add the extra ramp, ecto googles screen, toys, physical multiball, subway ramp and its a no brainer which to buy. But it still comes down to affordability and no pinball is worth going into financial difficulties.
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would love to upgrade but would be stretching myself at this point of time, have played the pro locally and seems like a fun player and one that I can upgrade a little which I like doing
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I like the pro heaps better as far as game play.
Those magnetic slings are just plain weird and not consistent. Watch those air balls! ^^^
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I like the pro heaps better as far as game play.
Those magnetic slings are just plain weird and not consistent. Watch those air balls! ^^^
plan to tilt the targets and work on the drops to hopefully solve the air balls
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Stern just released Ghostbusters v1.11
LE/PREMIUM V1.11 - November 9, 2016
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New:
- Added Calibration feature to slimer test.
Fixes:
- Fixed slimer motor controller affecting the E lamp in PKE
- Fixed issue when choosing which video mode times out
- Fixed issue in negative video mode where the game would not allow
input from the player
- Fixed total score showing zero if it was the last mode
- Fixed issue where the slings could bounce the ball back and forth too long.
Tweaks:
- Added Catching Ghost to some skill shot trees
- Added Increase Super Jackpot value to some skill shot trees.
- Added Light 2X multiplier to some skill shot trees.
- Tweaked the skill shot instructions and timing
- Made scare feature more rare
- Made kick out sounds a bit louder
PRO V1.11 - November 9, 2016
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Fixes:
- Fixed issue when choosing which video mode times out
- Fixed issue in negative video mode where the game would not allow
input from the player
- Fixed total score showing zero if it was the last mode
Tweaks:
- Added Catching Ghost to some skill shot trees
- Added Increase Super Jackpot value to some skill shot trees.
- Added Light 2X multiplier to some skill shot trees.
- Tweaked the skill shot instructions and timing
- Made scare feature more rare
- Made kick out sounds a bit louder
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gotta admit my other games are holding up well since I got GB. None have seen any love for months and should last forever at this rate @.@ you should enjoy this game swinsky once you get a handle on the game play ^^^
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the guy from tnt discovered this issue and a simple fix to avoid blowing a heap of boards under the playfield
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here is an install video and pics for Cliffy's 7 piece cliffy set for $41 USD shipped to Aus
https://pinballsupernova.wordpress.com/2016/11/22/mod-installs-cliffys-protectors-install-video-on-ghostbusters-premium/
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a quick update to fix some game play affecting bugs
Since Stern stealth-released 1.12 (here):
Premium/LE
http://f0727d06e1d39b514478-a613b39d02a32124478c749a23d19af0.r44.cf5.rackcdn.com/ghostbusters_le-1_12.spk
Pro:
http://f0727d06e1d39b514478-a613b39d02a32124478c749a23d19af0.r44.cf5.rackcdn.com/ghostbusters-1_12.spk
ISSUES v1.12 FIXED:
- Bogus tech alerts seem to be gone
- Slimer doesn't get stuck on the far left anymore
- Left flipper power loss
- Game freezing fixed (not sure of the mode, it happened once to me, hasn't happened with 1.12)
PROBLEMS REMAINING:
- Puts up a "FREE PLAY/PRESS START" attract mode screen in the middle of some modes for a few seconds. This most recently happened again on the "Extra Ball" animation when it changes from Slimer on the left to the car on the right. When it changed to where the car part should have been, I got the attract message instead...
- Still says to shoot purple shots in Ballroom mode when they are really blue.
MISSING post-1.05, but wanted BACK by pretty much everyone:
- Magna Sling activity/power adjustment
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Fixes:
- Found a couple speech calls that will be censored if the game is set to not
allow R-rated speech.
- Using the disable adjustment for the the Slimer mech will completely disable
the mech.
- Fixed spelling and punctuation on a few of the "DID YOU KNOW?" messages.
- Fixed THE BALLROOM instruction text to match the color of the inserts.
- If balls were being held in the LIBRARY LOCK at game start, they were making
the playfield valid when released.
- P.K.E. FRENZY was displaying an incorrect TOTAL on completion.
- The GHOST CAUGHT FOR EXTRA BALL adjustment was not being honored for
anything but AUTO.
- SUPER JACKPOT CHAMPION was not handled correctly.
- If NEGATIVE REENFORCEMENT was lit, a won SKILL SHOT award for it would
be skipped.
- Fixed misspelling of "CATCH 5 GHOSTS" on skill shot.
- CAPTIVE BALL TEST was mislabeled.
- Fixed mispelling of instruction text on GOZER THE GOZERIAN.
- The TERROR DOG HURRYUP was not resetting properly after being collected.
- Sometimes PICT-O-POPS was handing out the same award twice in a row.
- Sometimes PICT-O-POPS was handing out awards that didn't make sense.
(ADD-A-BALL, LIGHT ADD-A-BALL, TOBINS SPIRIT GUIDE, ...)
- ADD-A-BALL and LIGHT ADD-A-BALL were sometimes available when they
shouldn't be.
- TOBIN'S SPIRIT GUIDE and PICT-O-POPS will no longer give out a SPINNER LEVEL
award if it's already at its maximum level.
Tweaks:
- If you disable your slimer mech with the Adjustment then the Ghost Target
will now trigger Slimer hits.
- The 100 GHOSTS lamp insert will now indicate when MASS HYSTERIA MULTIBALL
is achieved.
- The timer was not being displayed for HE SLIMED ME.
- SPOOK CENTRAL was not allowing the player enough time to complete the mode.
- Added callout at the start of STAY PUFT MARSHMALLOW MAN.
- Added P.K.E. FRENZY JACKPOT callout.
- Added GOZER HURRYUP callout.
- Added GEAR COLLECT callout.
- Default GOZER CHAMPION and TERROR DOG CHAMPION scores were lowered to
a more reasonable value.
- Added callout to the start of STORAGE FACILITY MULTIBALL.
- The SUBWAY EJECT ball saver no longer overrides the main ball saver if
set to the default time or less.
- STAY PUFT MARSHMALLOW MAN was not honoring the DESTRUCTOR multiplier for all
awards.
- Changed the colors of the extra ball lamp effects to green and white.
- Tweaked the EQ of some sounds.
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Nice little tweaks. First and only game was over 3bil and got to test play most modes
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How many updates has GB had since release ? Would it be at least 3 updates ?
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1.05; 1.10; 1.11; 1.12; 1.13
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1.11 & 1.12 were mainly to bug fix