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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => General Pinball Discussion => Topic started by: Crashramp on January 28, 2016, 05:07:12 PM
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Rare! Nothing new for a pinball sales ad but what do most people consider rare for a machine? I was just looking at 2 different eBay ads for machines with over 16,000 (ipdb confirmed) units made and I kind of remember reading somewhere that the average machine run through the 80s and 90s was somewhere between 2500 and 3000. If this is correct then I guess "rare" has to be significantly below that average.
I'd have thought anything below 500 made would be rare but with pinball collecting for the home hobbyist being as popular as it is today then maybe some popular machines with higher runs than the average could also be considered rare.............16,842 is probably a slight stretch though.
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If I own one then it cannot be rare
but; there was only 350 TESB pinball machines made
I have only found another 5 or so people who own a 1964 Heat Wave
not many Atari vector Star Wars uprights came to Australia
not many Strange Science games around, nor Medusa
there is not a lot of Ironman games that have been imported to Australia
I prefer the term uncommon
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RARE in pinball terms means not many were made.
99% of the time this means it didn't do too well on site.
4000 games made isn't rare.. 350 made is and means the game is most likely crap to play
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RARE in pinball terms means not many were made.
99% of the time this means it didn't do too well on site.
4000 games made isn't rare.. 350 made is and means the game is most likely crap to play
kinda agree with this. But then one man's crap could be another's fun fest. Buy games that you like playing and like the looks of and you won't go wrong. You tend to have a good eye for games based on what you currently have mate.
Btw I think those Russian Lada?? Cars are rare here and that probably proves Retro's point
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RARE in pinball terms means not many were made.
99% of the time this means it didn't do too well on site.
4000 games made isn't rare.. 350 made is and means the game is most likely crap to play
kinda agree with this. But then one man's crap could be another's fun fest. Buy games that you like playing and like the looks of and you won't go wrong. You tend to have a good eye for games based on what you currently have mate.
Btw I think those Russian Lada?? Cars are rare here and that probably proves Retro's point
LOL! Nice analogy..
E-Types are rare though and ive dreamt of owning one all my life
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RARE in pinball terms means not many were made.
99% of the time this means it didn't do too well on site.
4000 games made isn't rare.. 350 made is and means the game is most likely crap to play
In a nutshell.
eBay "rare" - especially from a dealer - translates as "We don't don't know much about the game, so it is rare". Bally "BMX" is rare. Stern "Viper" is rare. "Star Trek" and "Space Invaders" are EASILY found. I think we have 5-6 Star Treks..So it is pure stupidity to suggest Bally "Star trek" is even remotely "rare".
I collect rare games ;
GTB - Spirit, Punk and Rocky. Rocky is rare, but is highly desirable - making it more rare to obtain.
Bally - Six Sticks (only English version I know of in the country), Embryon, Viking and Vector. Boomerang EM.
Stern - Freefall
Williams - Winner
"Rare" is literally low production run, but can be games that are highly sought after, and not easily obtained. Safecracker comes to mind.
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Rare doesn't always equate to a good playing game. In many cases the company in question field tested the samples/prototype games prior to production and found it didn't resonate with the playing public so they never made it to full scale production. With the change in paradigm from playing pinballs to simply collecting them like playing cards or some kind of quasi trophy piece these doorstops are now considered desirable. This is also why the LE business model from Stern has hooked so many suckerfish.
"Rare" is literally low production run, but can be games that are highly sought after, and not easily obtained. Safecracker comes to mind.
Or you could just stumble upon one dumped outside of a pub and pick it up for free. ^^^
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Can't find it now but I saw an Addams family advertised and described as rare! With 20,000 plus produced there in no hope of finding a fish tales out there. With only 13000 or so of them produced.
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If I own one then it cannot be rare
but; there was only 350 TESB pinball machines made
I have only found another 5 or so people who own a 1964 Heat Wave
not many Atari vector Star Wars uprights came to Australia
not many Strange Science games around, nor Medusa
there is not a lot of Ironman games that have been imported to Australia
I prefer the term uncommon
F j Holden is a little more " uncommon " than ESB then.
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Can't find it now but I saw an Addams family advertised and described as rare! With 20,000 plus produced there in no hope.
They are hard to find with a decent playfield as most of them were worn down to the wood with hundreds of thousands of games clocked up on them when onsite.
Rare condition might be more apt. *%*
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To me, rare is 2000 games made only or less.
The belief that low numbers or small numbered manufactured games are bad players is simply not accurate.
People have to remember that the last 5 years of the 90,s DMD builds were slow sellers because the number of manufacturers was down to two companies only & new game console technology had slowed sales to a minimum.
Some of the last made games were low numbers but we're and still are great players.
I purchased a lot of low number manufactured games and they are a blast.
Other people's opinions about your pinball titles should never matter, only your opinions on your titles matter cause you own them & play them and that's all that matters.
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I have a few games I can genuinely say are rare.
My 10 strike for example one restorer in America only knows of 7 of them but who knows there could be hundreds of them that people don't know about.
It really is a loose term
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2000 units could never be considered rare in a niche hobby like pinball. For some companies that figure encompassed a standard production run of a mediocre title.
Like ddstoys alluded to single or double digit production numbers definitely falls into the rare category (maybe triple digit depending on the title).
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2000 units could never be considered rare in a niche hobby like pinball. For some companies that figure encompassed a standard production run of a mediocre title.
Like ddstoys alluded to single or double digit production numbers definitely falls into the rare category (maybe triple digit depending on the title).
Empire strikes back is a great example only 350'or whatever made but they seem to be everywhere same as cosmic princess couple of hundred pins isn't much world wide but it's a lot for Australia
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Rare doesn't mean desirable.
There were about 400 games produced with under 1,000 units over the years (but excluding games with say 15 or less to exclude pure proto/non-production games).
ESB is rare by number count but generally not sought after. It's common here because they were produced here. Rare but not desirable.
Gottlieb Spirit is rare as games of it's vintage go (about 1,000 produced) and due to the unreliability of the board set, the survival rate would mean a much lower number, so this is both rare and desirable.
Similarly, Asteroid Annie was a low production and probably low survival too, produced apparently to use up board sets, so a low number despite being quite a decent player, so this is also both rare and desirable.
Then you have games like BBB, very desirable and very low numbers due to particular circumstances (about 200 all up of protos and "production") - very rare and very desirable.
Than again, rare in context of the hobby - I have owned all four games, so just how rare is rare? Shows what a niche market pinball is.
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The context I was referring to was the amount of machines in Australia from total runs of 2000 machines or less generally speaking because with low numbers of games, barely any would have made it to Australia.
What total number of that machine in Australia equals rare ?
5, 10 or 50 ? Or 100 only ?
The Stern games sold into Australia could be considered rare out here cause some titles, broken up into Pro, Premium or LE may only number 50 or 100.
Compared to games like Twilight Zone or Addams Family or 1978 Kiss etc, the numbers are rare.
When a game like Godzilla came out in 1998, only 500 were made.
How many made it to Austria as a new machine. Barely any.
Now, in the last say 7 years, I have seen about 10 total advertised and have only seen 4 others in collections other than the one I purchased.
So the question is, what is rare. 5, 10, 50 or 100.
Bugs Bunny Birthday Bash is another rare game.
Produced four times as much as Godzilla but a machine that was white and didn't age real good when onsite with cigarette smoke and the playfields were discoloured badly on most, again, I only know of 3 in Australia other than the 2 I purchased and fell in love with.
Rare today or rare when sold new.
Rare can mean a lot of things.
Good topic though.
Cause anything usually nominated for the list, u rarely see in collectors houses in Australia.
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Post production international container imports have nullified the belief of those low production run C list or below machines being classified as rare. At best they are container filler for the more well known titles that the end consumers are increasingly demanding more of and willing to pay for to get their hands on one.
Godzilla for example gets listed every few months on ebay from the same seller down in Inverloch for some over the top price and never sells and Bugs Bunny has been spotted on gumtree many times in different States negating the notion that there are only 3 machines in the entire country.
The idea that a post 2000 Stern machine could be classified as rare isn't accurate either since Stern can always do another run of Pro/Premium to meet current demand including having AMD piggyback off a major US/Euro distro order plus they can get around the rare LE claim by releasing the same machine with some new artwork (e.g. ACDC Luci).
As pinnies4me said 200 BBB for the entire world with no chance of being remade due to particular circumstances is rare.
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OMG!.......Lucky they're Rare! $$(
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1978-SinBad-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273342966?hash=item3abca9b9f6:g:ma4AAOSwa-dWrvp6
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1979-Count-Down-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273339237?hash=item3abca9ab65:g:2~cAAOSwKtlWrvk8
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1978-Last-Lap-Pinball-Machine-from-Playmatic-RARE-/252273346867?hash=item3abca9c933:g:0FsAAOSwFMZWrvxe
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1977-Jet-Spin-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273335732?hash=item3abca99db4:g:nhsAAOSwnLdWrvdR
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Almost missed the rare $10349.00 untested Tee'd Off.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1993-Teed-Off-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273352734?hash=item3abca9e01e:g:v4wAAOSwa-dWrv3g
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Almost missed the rare $10349.00 untested Tee'd Off.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1993-Teed-Off-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273352734?hash=item3abca9e01e:g:v4wAAOSwa-dWrv3g
the games not really rare but I would agree it's rare to see them at those prices
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LOL bloody LOL!!!
..It powers up and seems to make the right noises..
Gee! What more could you want form a 9 grand machine??
%.% %.% %.% %.% %.%
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Maybe it has 8 grand in the coin box!
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Maybe these games 'rarely' work?? Or they require a rare person to actually cough up that kinda money for such titles
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Maybe these games 'rarely' work?? Or they require a rare person to actually cough up that kinda money for such titles
I think you're onto something Rob!
He has a "make an offer" option but at starting points like that who could be bothered. Certainly put me off regardless of what price they come back to and there's a couple there that I would have been interested in if they were priced somewhere within a reasonable ballpark.
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Maybe these games 'rarely' work?? Or they require a rare person to actually cough up that kinda money for such titles
I think you're onto something Rob!
He has a "make an offer" option but at starting points like that who could be bothered. Certainly put me off regardless of what price they come back to and there's a couple there that I would have been interested in if they were priced somewhere within a reasonable ballpark.
have tried putting in a fair offer to see if it get an auto knock back?
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Maybe these games 'rarely' work?? Or they require a rare person to actually cough up that kinda money for such titles
I think you're onto something Rob!
He has a "make an offer" option but at starting points like that who could be bothered. Certainly put me off regardless of what price they come back to and there's a couple there that I would have been interested in if they were priced somewhere within a reasonable ballpark.
have tried putting in a fair offer to see if it get an auto knock back?
No, I'd rather wait for other machines to come up. Something tells me that regardless of price dealing with this seller would be more trouble than it's worth. If the prices didn't confirm it then the descriptions certainly do. I mean he has quite a few machines listed so he must have been into them at some stage. I find it very difficult to believe he doesn't know if they're 100% working.
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OMG!.......Lucky they're Rare! $$(
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1978-SinBad-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273342966?hash=item3abca9b9f6:g:ma4AAOSwa-dWrvp6
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1979-Count-Down-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273339237?hash=item3abca9ab65:g:2~cAAOSwKtlWrvk8
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1978-Last-Lap-Pinball-Machine-from-Playmatic-RARE-/252273346867?hash=item3abca9c933:g:0FsAAOSwFMZWrvxe
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1977-Jet-Spin-Pinball-Machine-from-Gottlieb-D-Co-RARE-/252273335732?hash=item3abca99db4:g:nhsAAOSwnLdWrvdR
From that list - "Last Lap" is rare. But is "Raven Rare" - in other words, it is rare because it is junk. But there are some games with higher production runs - "Hard Bodies" - an example of a game that is rare because they were basically all parted out - they made no money onsite. "BMX" is the same layout, but a better theme. Only 406 made - that is a rare game.
Just looking at those auctions - I can't wait to see other sellers quickly find the same titles and list them at similar prices. Yes - this is now their "market value" !
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Those prices are madness, I spotted a Strikes and Spares the other day for almost $6k and nearly destroyed my keyboard when I choked on my coffee!
Prices are really starting to get ridiculous, ok if your selling I spose! At least I know I have a good investment that won't lose value.
Brettski... :)
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Post production international container imports have nullified the belief of those low production run C list or below machines being classified as rare. At best they are container filler for the more well known titles that the end consumers are increasingly demanding more of and willing to pay for to get their hands on one.
Godzilla for example gets listed every few months on ebay from the same seller down in Inverloch for some over the top price and never sells and Bugs Bunny has been spotted on gumtree many times in different States negating the notion that there are only 3 machines in the entire country.
The idea that a post 2000 Stern machine could be classified as rare isn't accurate either since Stern can always do another run of Pro/Premium to meet current demand including having AMD piggyback off a major US/Euro distro order plus they can get around the rare LE claim by releasing the same machine with some new artwork (e.g. ACDC Luci).
As pinnies4me said 200 BBB for the entire world with no chance of being remade due to particular circumstances is rare.
I never said there were only 3 Bugs Bunnys in the entire country.
I said I only knew of apx 5.
Pinsanity. Why do u always twist things & stick the knife in.
At &0 yrs of age, u shld know better by now. Lol
U don't always have to be spiteful every time I post something.
Every single thread you do it every time I post something.
Surely you can attempt to be the bigger man & lose the spitefulness.
There are more rare games in pinball collections other than BBB.
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Those prices are madness, I spotted a Strikes and Spares the other day for almost $6k and nearly destroyed my keyboard when I choked on my coffee!
Prices are really starting to get ridiculous, ok if your selling I spose! At least I know I have a good investment that won't lose value.
Brettski... :)
Wow. 6 grand. The last one I saw in Qld, the guy couldn't sell at 2 grand & it was very nice.
Some prices are crazy.
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Bugs Bunny is rare because it has a white cabinet?
Lol
Must be why I never see Evil Kneval for sale, it too has a white cabinet. They must have trashed all the Ines I saw on location as a kid
No wait, EK is a popular theme among nno pinball people
They are reluctant to sell a game thatis ppopular with their families
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Pinsanity. Why do u always twist things & stick the knife in.
It's a flensing knife. I've been looking for an alternative fuel source for my car collection instead of burning fossil fuels and I figure I've hit the jackpot with an inexhaustible supply.
Time for your medication Moby.
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Bugs Bunny is rare because it has a white cabinet?
IJ the rarest Aus delivered machine in the country. *)*
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Those prices are madness, I spotted a Strikes and Spares the other day for almost $6k and nearly destroyed my keyboard when I choked on my coffee!
Prices are really starting to get ridiculous, ok if your selling I spose! At least I know I have a good investment that won't lose value.
Brettski... :)
As long as you keep in mind a lot of them are asking prices only not necessarily actual selling prices. ^^^
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All Aussie made LAI/Sterns are rare worldwide , but common here, %.% at only around 300 of each title .
Easy to tell from australian cabinet wiring and "silkscreened' cabinet artwork instead of US built "stencilled" artwork
These are listed under Stern/LAI knockdown games btw .
I own a gottlieb 'Super Duo' listed on the IPDB, Quiet rare at 1200 units . 2 player AAB exported to Italy
I think there was only 2 , 2 player add-a-balls made games for the Italian market .