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Aussie Pinball Forums => General Discussion => Non-pinball (other coin opp) => Topic started by: GORGAR 1 on July 08, 2011, 12:43:22 PM
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WOO HOO I just bought a Phoenix Cocktail for myself and can't wait to get her-its an original Taito Phoenix cocktail and works but needs a resto which I can't wait to do have been wanting a cocktail since I sold my Hankin Galaga many years ago !!! to Bumper action so will post pics when she arrives in a few weeks. I spent alot of time and cash as a kid playing this title and have one on my 48-1 but wanted a table top so best of both world I think and this girl will stay as is she wont be a 60-1.
Peter
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This was a favorite of mine as well. I have 2-3 original Phoenix boards as well as another AWESOME shoot-em-up game - "Space Firebird".
Be sure to post some pics, Pete !
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Well done Pete. ^^^ I picked up a coctail a few months ago, a 1978 model. It definately reminded me of when i was a kid at the local milkbar.
Good to see we are all big kids on here still. ^^^ ^^^
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Well done Pete. ^^^ I picked up a coctail a few months ago, a 1978 model. It definately reminded me of when i was a kid at the local milkbar.
Good to see we are all big kids on here still. ^^^ ^^^
Yeah I'm a massive kid and used to wait at the eltham mall and help the lady grag out the cocktail for us to play and between that shop and the eltham leisure centre machines I must have spent a mint :) all I need now is a crazy climber board I did have one but sold it years ago :(
Peter
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Loved Pheonix back in the day, well done!
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Phoenix is the game with the bird at the top ? is that right. Havent seen the game since i was 8 yrs old, 33 yrs ago. ?
Any pictures yet Pete ? ^^^
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Phoenix is the game with the bird at the top ? is that right. Havent seen the game since i was 8 yrs old, 33 yrs ago. ?
Any pictures yet Pete ? ^^^
Yeah it has birds that fly around and you shoot there wings off and then theres the mother ship but I'll post screen shots when it arrives safe hopefully lol, its being picked up today in Perth so should see here next week all going well here's a packed up picture before being pickup.
Peter
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Pete,
yep. i remember it now. ^^^ very cool game. great memories 4 sure. ^^^
(would look cool sitting next to a Phoenix Pinball by Williams 1978 like Jeff-Pinballheaven has! ) ^^^ ^^^
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I remember that game too.. was good fun back in the day
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Brett,
Stop trying to get me to buy more toys!!!!! %.%
Pete,
Well done on the new aquisition that room of yours will look magnificent!
Jeff
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!!! Well the machine was booked in to be picked up Monday and it wasn't and wasn't Tuesday so hopefully Wednesday after my email gee I hate being screwed around, all going well tommorow fingers crossed
Peter
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$#$ at last it's picked up hopefully it arrives in one piece
Peter
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With some problems with transdirect machine is on truck and left Perth last night oh and I reckon there butt is sore #@# #@# should see phoenix Tuesday at a guess.
Peter
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Patience, Pete - It will be worth the wait. Don't stress, transport companies usually have unforseen delays !
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Patience, Pete - It will be worth the wait. Don't stress, transport companies usually have unforseen delays !
Yeh like sticking your stuff in a warehouse for a weekend and then starting the whole process over again on the Monday
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Whoo hoo at last my cocktail arrived after today being told they had lost it so when I leave work I'll post some pictures tonight and hopefully it's not trashed lol
Peter
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Hi Guys here's the cocktail and I must say I bought this machine as a project that needs a resto and the fact its a dedicated Pheonix table. She fires up and works but the Joystick only goes one way and the P2 plays on the P1 side maybe thats a dipswitch issue :D this is a learning curve for me but fun.
One question is do we have a resident arcade expert in Melbourne like we have pinball experts maybe some one who can give it a once over as in boards/tube and so on?
Anyway checkout the pictures.
Peter
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Glad it got there, in one piece!
Hopefully someone on here can help you get it going 100%.
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What sort of price do these normally fetch?
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Great to see you have it home "safe and sound". Looks like a great machine to add to the gamesroom.
Could simply be a microswitch issue, or if the joystick is a two way, it might be the leaf switches. Either will be on the joystick. Look for a loose wire.
Did you get original documentation ? There should be a dip switch for "cocktail mode" - depends if the board is original or a copy. I have some documentation I will check tomorrow.
Pete - Please be VERY CAREFUL around the monitor. There's some high voltages that you don't want to mess with.
There are not many techs that look after these old machines - it depends on the issues that you have, they might be a simple adjustment. Can you take a picture of the screen and describe the problems ?
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Great to see you have it home "safe and sound". Looks like a great machine to add to the gamesroom.
Could simply be a microswitch issue, or if the joystick is a two way, it might be the leaf switches. Either will be on the joystick. Look for a loose wire.
Did you get original documentation ? There should be a dip switch for "cocktail mode" - depends if the board is original or a copy. I have some documentation I will check tomorrow.
Pete - Please be VERY CAREFUL around the monitor. There's some high voltages that you don't want to mess with.
There are not many techs that look after these old machines - it depends on the issues that you have, they might be a simple adjustment. Can you take a picture of the screen and describe the problems ?
Big capacitance too.... even with it turned off be careful.... I ALWAYS work on these with one hand behind my back.. that way, any mishaps never go across the chest
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Hi Guys here's the cocktail and I must say I bought this machine as a project that needs a resto and the fact its a dedicated Pheonix table. She fires up and works but the Joystick only goes one way and the P2 plays on the P1 side maybe thats a dipswitch issue :D this is a learning curve for me but fun.
Before you start any game is the game image up the right way for Player 1?
If it isn't the screen image needs to be flipped, depending on the board there might be dipswitches or you may have to change the screen orientation on the monitor chassis.
If it is the right way up for Player 1 joystick but player 2 joystick controls the game for player 1 then you need to swap some wires on the game board connector.
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Hi Guys here's the cocktail and I must say I bought this machine as a project that needs a resto and the fact its a dedicated Pheonix table. She fires up and works but the Joystick only goes one way and the P2 plays on the P1 side maybe thats a dipswitch issue :D this is a learning curve for me but fun.
Before you start any game is the game image up the right way for Player 1?
If it isn't the screen image needs to be flipped, depending on the board there might be dipswitches or you may have to change the screen orientation on the monitor chassis.
If it is the right way up for Player 1 joystick but player 2 joystick controls the game for player 1 then you need to swap some wires on the game board connector.
Hi, yep P1 image is the right way up and P2 is also the right way up but it plays on the P1 side maybe someone had it up against a wall and wanted both players on the same side oh and the screens nice and bright lol hopefully a dip switch ajustment as there on the board but I'm not sure which one.
Peter
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I think I may have fixed the P1 and P2 dip switch issue as it does have a switch guide on the machine but can't tell as I turned it on and NO picture anymore and a high pitch noise through the speaker and I don't want to touch anything you guys have me worried lol and I dont want curly hair LOL.
It fired up when it arrived but since moving it inside nothing? maybe now just a nice piece of furniture ^&^
Peter
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Flip the dip switch back to its original state. The "switch guide" on the machine might be for another board. You can try to re-seat the connector on the board.
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Flip the dip switch back to its original state. The "switch guide" on the machine might be for another board. You can try to re-seat the connector on the board.
Yeah tried that Nino but its still the same? mate there's a silver toggle switch on the power supply looking at the P1 side do you know if that should to the right or left you can see it in my photo above oh and I just found a broken fuse holder clip maybe thats part of the issue. I just un plugged the game board and turned game on and the screen fires up and the noise has gone maybe board?
Peter
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Flip the dip switch back to its original state. The "switch guide" on the machine might be for another board. You can try to re-seat the connector on the board.
Yeah tried that Nino but its still the same? mate there's a silver toggle switch on the power supply looking at the P1 side do you know if that should to the right or left you can see it in my photo above oh and I just found a broken fuse holder clip maybe thats part of the issue. I just un plugged the game board and turned game on and the screen fires up and the noise has gone maybe board?
Peter
That switch next to the tranny looks like the power switch.
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Flip the dip switch back to its original state. The "switch guide" on the machine might be for another board. You can try to re-seat the connector on the board.
Yeah tried that Nino but its still the same? mate there's a silver toggle switch on the power supply looking at the P1 side do you know if that should to the right or left you can see it in my photo above oh and I just found a broken fuse holder clip maybe thats part of the issue. I just un plugged the game board and turned game on and the screen fires up and the noise has gone maybe board?
Peter
That switch next to the tranny looks like the power switch.
I agree. I'll look for the paperwork tomorrow Peter - just so I'm clear, there's no image on the monitor ?
Can you coin up a game and hear sounds of the game playing ?
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Flip the dip switch back to its original state. The "switch guide" on the machine might be for another board. You can try to re-seat the connector on the board.
100% you don't see many machines that have the very first pcb still installled and when boards got changed over they almost never remove the original boards settings from the cab.
One thing to check and maybe replace is the connector, after 30 years the contacts are often corroded and this causes problems with game running.
I have seen heaps cause sync problems through bad connection.
One thing that always freaks me out is why did LAI mount their connectors facing upwards in their lowboy cabs?
The connectors always collect heaps of dust and when the moisture gets in they corrode.
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I'm not sure it's a power switch as that's next to the cord on the side outside the cabinet down the bottom I thought it might change the voltage but I'm new at arcades lol there is no screen image its blank and sound is a squeal oh and even pressing the service credit button is no good it and the coin mech doesnt work when it's like this but they both worked before. This machine is very original that's for sure and was in storage for 15 years and that's what attracted me I love the game to so hopefully with help from you guys I may be able to get her going again :)
Peter
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I'm not sure it's a power switch as that's next to the cord on the side outside the cabinet down the bottom I thought it might change the voltage but I'm new at arcades lol there is no screen image its blank and sound is a squeal oh and even pressing the service credit button is no good it and the coin mech doesnt work when it's like this but they both worked before. This machine is very original that's for sure and was in storage for 15 years and that's what attracted me I love the game to so hopefully with help from you guys I may be able to get her going again :)
Peter
Perhaps the switch for the service outlet??
It would be unusual for there to be a switch to change voltages on a machine.
Usually the Japanese machines are all 110V and when the were imported an extra transformer got installed to go from 240V to 110V
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Cheers guys heres a couple more shots with the switch in question circled I've also noticed by moving a bunch of wires the screen flickers? she is original so maybe its time for a local expert to weave there magic any ideas who in melbourne could do this I'd pay of course ^^^Peter
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Cheers guys heres a couple more shots with the switch in question circled I've also noticed by moving a bunch of wires the screen flickers? she is original so maybe its time for a local expert to weave there magic any ideas who in melbourne could do this I'd pay of course ^^^Peter
Which wires make the screen flicker?
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Cheers guys heres a couple more shots with the switch in question circled I've also noticed by moving a bunch of wires the screen flickers? she is original so maybe its time for a local expert to weave there magic any ideas who in melbourne could do this I'd pay of course ^^^Peter
Which wires make the screen flicker?
There's about 4 wires that plug into the bottom of the chasis then head off towards the power supply i reckon but when I tap them the monitor changes from nothing to fully orange I wish I had another board the test my 48-1 has a much smaller board
Peter
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There's about 4 wires that plug into the bottom of the chasis then head off towards the power supply i reckon but when I tap them the monitor changes from nothing to fully orange I wish I had another board the test my 48-1 has a much smaller board
Peter
Can you take a photo of the wires?
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I have a feeling that if there is no picture and you have a small white dot in the centre of the screen (which is what I see from the picture), then the deflection / neck board is loose.
But, if the wires are from the power supply - they should be only two wires for 110V.
Four wires could be for the tube deftection and sync (red, green, blue and yellow) - if these are removed you will have either a full white screen or a dot (it has been a while since I've looked at CRT tube game).
The connectors are clearly labeled - this would indicate that the table is as you say - original.
Take a photo of the cables (as Boots requested), and we can have a better idea. Don't touch any wires near the tube.
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Thanks I'll take a photo of those wires after work today and yes Nino there are 4 of them but not sure of color but at one point they have been cut and then joined but I'll take a picture later today
Peter
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call me on monday morning pete, I can help
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call me on monday morning pete, I can help
Cool Dave will do
Peter
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A little off topic, and not to put the moz on you Pete, but, what happens to all these old arcade games when the CRT display fail? as they are no longer being produced? Can something else be made to fit/work?
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A little off topic, and not to put the moz on you Pete, but, what happens to all these old arcade games when the CRT display fail? as they are no longer being produced? Can something else be made to fit/work?
What do I do well Id cry and it becomes something to put my stubble on while playing pinball
Peter
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There are a few options, so all is not lost
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Heres what i think are the loose dodgy wires but remember I know shit about these :D
Peter
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OK
Those wires are the RGB, common and SYNC for the monitor (5 wires), they go back to the board connector.
What you are looking at is the connection to the monitor chassis board.
If you wiggle these and the picture changes, then I expect that the pins on the monitor chassis need re-soldering, I have seen this heaps of times, its a very common problem.
Its hard to tell from the photo but if you can loosen the screws on the chassis board, you may be able to gain access to re-solder them.
You can see from the heat shrink that someone has changed the chassis at some stage and the old chassis must have had a different type of connector.
Once you have got this done give the machine another go and let us know what it does.
I really recommend changing to game board connector after that as it can cause picture problems also.
What I normally do is get a 56 pin JAMMA connector and convert the machine to JAMMA standard, then make a short JAMMA to game adaptor cable (Phoenix for you).
That way if you want to change games it is really simple to do instead of having to rewire the machine every time you change the game.
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Nice machine Pete i had an original Poenix cocktail but sold it to a friend in werribee wonder if he still has it.
As for mats question ive used a couple of JOMACS universa chassis to repair these table and if using a 48 in one i just open up an old CRT computer monitor and mount that inside. Not original but them things go forever ^^^
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Nice machine Pete i had an original Poenix cocktail but sold it to a friend in werribee wonder if he still has it.
As for mats question ive used a couple of JOMACS universa chassis to repair these table and if using a 48 in one i just open up an old CRT computer monitor and mount that inside. Not original but them things go forever ^^^
Interesting, if you every decide to sell your let me know mate, :lol it's about the only other thing the missus will agree on to allow in the rumpus room <.> so looking, but not very hard at the moment, at cocktails, maybe if something pops up which I cant afford NOT to buy *)*
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Just an update the Machine is in good hands getting fixed up so won't be long till I have a nice reliable cocktail in my games room and I can't wait
Peter
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The only documentation I found was a copy of the edge connector pinouts for the original and bootleg board. I can PDF and email them if you still want them.