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Aussie Pinball Forums => Restorations => Topic started by: Olivia_jason on July 09, 2011, 11:12:24 PM
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ive done a fair wack of research on the net on this machine, and its prety limited numbers made only a few hundred made? anyways, i bought this machine a few days ago in working order, however very dirty and not very neat, the playfield is prety good, as was mylayed, the plastics on the play field had good print on them, however were very warped, the bigger ones around the top and sides and center were very wavy, lol, however i have a plastic welder, which is virtually a 700deg hair dryer, i use for repairing bumbers on my cars, i have a wide tip that i used to heat the perpex to the point it is plyable, and prety much just sat it on a very clean very flat surface and once the perspex relaxes it conforms to the shape being flat in this case, so looks like it was new again, nice and easy. all chrome on play field looked garbage and looked like it has spent along time in storage with no glass on it, the playfield was like sandpapper on the mylayer, and the ball release track was very dirty and gritty. the missus and i have spent our time cleaning play field, plastics and metal rail and gates so it all looks prety under the glass.
i Have 50 Led bayonete light that just replace the old 44 glass bulbs, that i will use to make the machine look allot nicer and help protect against the heat and damage the old bulbs cause. they are a cheap quick mod.
this machine is being done up good enough for our cafe, and will be used by many which is nice i think.
i am missing the backglass image and have talked to member here who has had one of these machines, about scanning there backglass image, but if any one has a Rock backglass id be interested. mostly its prety rock solid cabinet wise and mech wise, but needs a big clean up.
need to strip the powder coat of side rails as it is worn and ill polish up to mirror instead of repainting. i have pulled the old cracked "t" rubber trim around the head board and replaced with new, here is some pics as it stands. cheers
this machine has awesome sound features
will post more as machine progresses, it may not be a project that a purest will apreciate, as i will be making this for a shop as a work horse.
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Fun looking game, great lighting effects, don't mind the sound either. Here's a vid of the game.
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Do post the Adress of your cafe'! I'm sure alot of members would pop in for a coffee and a few games! $#$
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Congrats on the game. Pinball Resource appear to have NOS translites for the game to purchase http://www.pbresource.com/transl.html
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Congrats on the game. Pinball Resource appear to have NOS translites for the game to purchase http://www.pbresource.com/transl.html
Now all you need is a peice of glass (from your local glass glaser) cut to the size you need (someone post sizes please!) and and a backglass channel with some trim: ... ... ... ... (can someone find it for me... all i could find was http://www.marcospecialties.com/product.asp?ic=24964 )
GOOD LUCK! ^^^
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Congrats on the game. Pinball Resource appear to have NOS translites for the game to purchase http://www.pbresource.com/transl.html
Good find!
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You guys are awesome, thanx for Links I'll look when I get home tonight.
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the more i look at them the more it annoys me, does any one have Acorn Nut's for the gottlieb? the ones on my machine look very average, i caqnt clean them up good enough, if you do have some new pref then send me a message with price, or point me in the right direction for a good supplier,
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the more i look at them the more it annoys me, does any one have Acorn Nut's for the gottlieb? the ones on my machine look very average, i caqnt clean them up good enough, if you do have some new pref then send me a message with price, or point me in the right direction for a good supplier,
RTTB are the best local supplier of Gottlieb parts (and my first stop for anything Bally / Williams & Data East too..). Oh and ramps.
http://www.rtbb.com.au/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=acorn&osCsid=79b1cbb78580b5a8aa7a292afef3d98d&x=0&y=0
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ok great, because i am such a newbie to this field i have little knowledge of how sells what, lol, i didnt honestly think there was so much i nthe way of suppliers for pinball parts, its great to know whats about and who sells what, i was thinking most of this sort of resto was going to involve hours and hours days and days, even months and months of searching ebay till bit show up for sale. lol. cheers for info guys
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ok may not be the most exciting thread for you hardcore resto people, lol so here is some updates for my cleanup of my rock machine.
thanx to members here who have found me a translight i have one thing that isnt worrying me as much,
here is an image of some leds' im using to replace the old glass bulbs, two reason for doing this, stop the heat problems and they look nicer and make the machine look cleaner, and cos they were so cheap i bought a tonne of them for my space hawks machine, leaving me with a good amount for this rock machine.
also is the missus stripping the paint of the side rails, i have been banned form the machine untill she has done it, she has tried many wayto remove it. but being powder coat its been a nightmare so she has resorted to the way we would attack a car paint in a resto lol.
its our day off from the shop and so today we should knock a fair bit of this elbow grease work,
also bought a new tube of one of my altime favourite products, "Autosol" ill attack some more metal polishing today, i used allot of it on my space hawks machine and i ran out 2/3rds of the way through the metal work on ROCK, and now i can polish up the legs, with my 8inch buffer
that will make easy work of it. ive found most stuff i have laying around for cars is usefull for pinballs, win win
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ok after attacking the powder coat on side rails, we hit it will some autosol and buff wheel, she now has shine, i hate this diveted style side rails, pain in the ass to remove the paint, could have been so easy if it was flat like other machines, but bit the bullet and paint stripper made light work of it.
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Wow .. rail looks great ^^^
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cheers mate. paint stripper is great stuff, and autosol is great for polishing alli. (Olivia) did an awesome job on the rails, they did look horid with the black powder coat worn off in areas, but under that lay a nice bit of alli
next update, the missus and have been spending about 40mins installing leds and working out where to put what colour, she's giving the thing a clean from my grubby finger prints, some how she can do the same work as i and i get twice as dirty,? lol
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Great to see you are putting the missus to work, It's hard enough to get mine to admit she doesn't mind to play one now and then, let alone get her to work on one :lol
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Great to see you are putting the missus to work, It's hard enough to get mine to admit she doesn't mind to play one now and then, let alone get her to work on one :lol
ahahaha, well 4 weeks ago she wasnt to impressed with the idea of buying our first pinball. i had never owned one and really ever played one two or three times previously, lol.
out of the blue i thought it might be good to get a pinball, Iwas planning on spending a couple of grand buying a modern one, however she gave me a budget she thought would be too hard to find one for, lol or at worst delay me buying one. so i compremised and agreed, two days later i found space hawks fully working just needed tlc to make it prety and fixed a few probs that came up. with in an hour of having the machine her words were.
"ok i must admit this was one of those random ideas that was great" lol
and she really was the reason for the second one. she said we should get one for the shop and buy another cheap pinny that works, and thanx to tony at pinball shed he found me another. lol
she loves helping with the cars and so it wasnt to hard to get her involved. she is really helpfull and so we can knock things over on it quick when two people gettting involved.
Ps sadly she holds the high score on pinballs, i cant seem to get close to her lol
ok here is us cleaning out the cabinet, looks horid and i had been putting it off, but whilst i had the play field up changing to leds, we got stuck into it. it had dust from the 80s and with a vac and wipe down the thing came up looking awesome, which i didnt think it would when you look at this picture of what it looked like lol ahaha, it was all just dirt and dust cm's thick in places lol but under that it was great.
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the legs are shitty looking, they have rust stains, residue and light scuffs, however i cant justify buying new legs, especially when there is a perfectly good buffer that should knock it over fast, and unless you got right up close you would notice. so here is legs now.
Ive also bought a roll of Vinyl sticker sheeting, and as this is going into a cafe i will need it too look neat, and two stand up to teenagers playing with it, so ill wrap the entire cab in vinyl, like a massive sticker, so it will cover up the shitty old art work to look neater but also mean at a later date it can be peeled off and alow it to be restored and re stenciled.
as for the missing backlight i will be getting a sheet of perpex done to the local sign writer to make a temp backboard, with the top 1/3 dedicated with gottlieb Rock theme, and the lower 2/3 will be just plain black so i can use it as a special board advertising lol. so i can sell them a feed whilkst they play, lol.
but i will be buying a genuine item from the above link, so it can be replaced.
so before the purest yell at me,ahaha, its all being done like that for a reason so keep open mind from now on, lol
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ok bought a coin mech off ebay, the on e in my machine at the moment is some sort of token, and wont fit a aus money,
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the legs are shitty looking, they have rust stains, residue and light scuffs, however i cant justify buying new legs, especially when there is a perfectly good buffer that should knock it over fast,
If you can't get the rust stains out then try Ranex-Rustbuster... and let that kill the rust before continuing buffing... I'm sure you know what your doing! @@*
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cheers for advice, i hit them with the autosol and buff wheel and it removed the stains that you see in the above picture, and brought it up real good, but if i ever have trouble with rust stains in the future i will look into the product you have suggested thank you.
ive been reading many posts in the forum looking at products people use for verious jobs, i caqn tell you im taking allot of that on board with this and future resto's. i have learnt allot in the last few days being here and, some of things people do here is insane and of awsome quality, so im doing my best in learning a thing or two from the pro's here. 4 weeks ago i didnt even know what the inisde of pinball machine looked like lol
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ok this tag on the front i have dont know what it is about, and dont know where to get replacement from?, the words i can make out i think are,
" exclusive for export" i could be wrong and i dont know what the rest says. any ideas?
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Yea, i think it is export sign... i have one on a Genisus but its in german or russian! can you remove it?
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ok this tag on the front i have dont know what it is about, and dont know where to get replacement from?, the words i can make out i think are,
" exclusive for export" i could be wrong and i dont know what the rest says. any ideas?
I'm sure it would have said something along those lines with MONDIAL. I think they may have been a part owner of Premier...I am fairly sure it was only on the export machines (ie Europe etc).
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ok, yer i can remove it. i was hoping to replace it with another one or something else simular, it looks like it uses the same nails as the side rails
i was thinking it said money but that made no sense with the rest of it. so those make more sense. cheers
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Yeah it would have read Mondial for export only may even have it samped into the lockdown bar a few of te french machines had similar stuff on them
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ok for ddstoys, to tell me which part i am to order for flipper rebuild.
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Man now i am confused???? Them mechs don't look original which means they could be anything. Can you take a few more photos showing both mechs?
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I had silmalar mechs but they were a very short stroke... I was able to modify 1 but its hard to find parts if you don't know what your looking for. It might be a good idea to replace them and put in original flipper mechs, brackets and all.
the main thing that confuses me on that mech is that big bolt! !@#
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Man now i am confused???? Them mechs don't look original which means they could be anything. Can you take a few more photos showing both mechs?
ok to me it looks like the return spring is a mod job, and the bolt used on it is certainly not original, lol but the rest looks normal, it just looks wierd because the mod for the return spring and big bolts and the home made looking plate that has been added for this return spring. the spring is not of the rod that goes into the coil like my other machine, it is something i want to change at some point, ill get some more pics.
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ok ive popped the playfield for a better shot, cheers for input guys
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Ok I can see what they have done they have convert the flippers to Williams style flippers can order you a rebuild kit to suit these if you like? Or you can find some originals???
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its a bloody big coil, yer ill go with what is there. would this typically have the return spring on the shaft going into the coil? cos i want to piss of that horid return spring settup it has atm. would this kit come with the coil return spring?
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its a bloody big coil, yer ill go with what is there. would this typically have the return spring on the shaft going into the coil? cos i want to piss of that horid return spring settup it has atm. would this kit come with the coil return spring?
don't worry, Daniels looking after you!
I'm sure any problems you have, he can help you fix them!
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I'm far from worried he has a much better idea than i would lol, so im happy to go with the experts on this lol. cheers
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its a bloody big coil, yer ill go with what is there. would this typically have the return spring on the shaft going into the coil? cos i want to piss of that horid return spring settup it has atm. would this kit come with the coil return spring?
Yep the kits come with a new return spring, which is heaps lighter than the one you have now. A heavy spring will severly impact on your flipping power as the coil has to fight against it
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I'll order the flipper kit that has the spring that goes over the plunger shaft. I'll place the order tomorrow
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cheers mate. yer that spring settup has been a worry since the day i saw it. i figured the how it should be is on the shaft rather than how it is on this dodgy bracket with the external spring. do you think that is accurate dd? even though this flipper seetup might not be orginal that would be the best way to go on rectifying it?
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Id just rebuild what's there mate. Can you take a photo of the top of the flippers for me? Ill see if i have any similar
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on page opne shows the flippers,
yer im more interested than just making my current ones better. they have plenty of punch and work fine. the only prob with them is on the right side the flipper stop switch is buggered and after a few mins of play it welds its self together, the contacts are stuffed.
but i do want to fix that return spring settup it looks horid and both springs are different, and it just bugs me thinking about them, lol
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ok well monday and tuesdays are my days off from our shop, last week i got allot done and a bit of ebay shopping for this week, well only one of my ebay items turned up today, that i bought last week, being my coin mech. so im happy i can get one thing done today even if its something as simple as that, it now takes $1 coin. what i really wanted to turn up is the vinyl sheet so can cover the entire machine. damn it no luck hopefully tomorrow, that was what i hoping for today make this bad boy look good for the shop.
seller who is producing it hasnt replied to messages so i hope he sent it.
todays job is to go and find some one who will sell me completely black perpex for my back board and temp translight replacement, and ill take to sticker man to make logo's made for it to fill that horid gap. so i can put in the shop and let people use it again.
ill post more when i get something worthy of photos. this machine is no "sedgwick" but i am hoping it can get there lol
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Your parts were posted friday so hopefully you will have a few thugs you can to with your Tuesday off.
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oh no i wasnt refering to your parts dd, lol nah bloody ebay people. mostly the stickers. i bought them last monday. the parts i bought from you, like you said were like friday. i wasnt expecting them today, cheers.
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Ok this part really confuses me. please could some one explain why i need two switches on my flipper? its really messy and i have no idea, it looks like it doesnt need to be there, but im no pinball expert so i might be over looking a reason for this.
its only one one side,
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I cant remember but the second set of contacts may be to change the skill shot lanes??
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im trying to work it out, there is a wire there that has been cut god knows what this switch does, has three wires to it two go to the loom and the third well its cut. when the flipper kit turns up ill follow it and see, but to be honest i dont really know the chematics of pinball machines lol, the tech stuff is beyond me, the mech stuff is pretty simple. only reason i was lookiing as i was trying to bodgy up the flipper to work, which i did lol
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After a second look they might have added that second switch to hold the end of stroke switch closed so it might do nothing
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hmm two of those wires are connected on the second switch, the other switch does have both connected, to me it looks like the first switch is closed untill you go full on flipper then the other switch is open untill you closed the flipper??? lol is that just two switches doing the same thing? im confused to be honest lol ahaha, before getting all freaked out on this machine. the only thing that looks dodgy is the flipper essay, everything else on this machines mechs look neat and original,
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On these flippers you you should have one set of contacts that stay closed until the flipper is up whic cuts the power to the strong coil winding allowing the flipper to stay up without melting the coil. Id say the other switch will be a lane change feature and should have very little affect on the game if not working
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yer i under stand the normal switch on what that does, ill keep that lane change feature one in mind when i investigate once i rebuild the flipper essay and kit it out cheers.
i think what is off putting also is at some point some 10year old has messed around and dodgied the flipper essay lol. well it looks like it was done by a ten year old. and when something like this is 25 years old you dont know who in the past has worked on it so ill look around it and see if i can figure out how to improve that flipper system once the kit arrives. this advice given on this forum is very helpfull and i am very thankfull
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ok progress finally lol.
machine got a good coat of vinyl, looks great and looks like it has been 2paked. except no it hasnt lol.
not the funnest job in the world to get right, lots of swearing and what not to get it to sit right with out bubbles and what not, end result is great, now i just have to stick on the shops decals on the sides and should be almost ready to go in the shop, back to what it was made for, a work horse lol.
when we started this thing, it was the good old fasion car way of thinking, black and chrome for the win, lol clean and simple and i think this should fit in very well in our cafe. hope you like it, again its not a project that would impress the pinball purests, so keep in mind what its being used for and the state it started out as. cheers.
ps ddtoys those parts turned up today, you are a legend mate thank you so much, im going to try and get a bit of that stuff done tonight before bed.
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oops pictures
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I love the LED's you picked, gives the machine some really nice colour, i'm not a fan of plain but i'm sure your plans will work out. i dont think you could sell it with a custom cabinet and backglass well not at the price its worth but its going into ur shop so selling it wont need to thought about!
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I love the LED's you picked, gives the machine some really nice colour, i'm not a fan of plain but i'm sure your plans will work out. i dont think you could sell it with a custom cabinet and backglass well not at the price its worth but its going into ur shop so selling it wont need to thought about!
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ahaha yer thats true, the cab was very average to start with and i bought the machine with this exact purpose in mind, the thing is very neat now, lol but yer far from factory ahaha. i know this is not a machine for the purests who like originality, and i apreciate that, i wouldnt do this to my space hawks machine, thats my original one, and i wouldnt put it into a cafe with kids playing with it. so this is a purpose built machine for that reason, one its a work horse and two its needed to fit in with the shops theme,
yer the gloss black will be broken up with big chrome " ROCK" down the side a bit of a spin on the original, to just really bling this bad boy up lol but will also have our shops logo's on it so yer, its not about resale value more playablity and eye catching. really went down the hot rod theme on this chrome and black. but i wont be messing around with playfield or any of that sort of garbage, but i will say everything is reversable. and so if i am sick of it in the shop i can fully restore. cheers guys, after this is out of my house i think my next project will be an original full resto, i havent worked out what sort of machine im going to do yet, nothing has cought my interest as yet, so im on the look out to do simular sort of things i see you guys doing. many of you guys here have enspired me with your projects to do something lieka big resto, something i previously wasnt that interested in doing until ljoining here and seeing what you guys do and the extent you do it. cheers
ps, i bought a sheet of plexiglass and some protector film, to replace this old horid old and scratched up glass, should make it hard for the kids to smash that. lol
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ddstoys, you were spot on with the flipper advice mate, and the parts are exactly what needed, so thumbs up champs. you know your stuff
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ddstoys, you were spot on with the flipper advice mate, and the parts are exactly what needed, so thumbs up champs. you know your stuff
should have the machine ready in the shop next week, and im really excited to see this machine back in service getting played by the masses. kids in town want know what the hell a pinball machine is all about, it must be 15 odd years since i have seen our town have functioning pinball machine available to play. lol
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Glad I could help. Fingers crossed it goes really well and you need another one on site
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Glad I could help. Fingers crossed it goes really well and you need another one on site
ahaha yer cheers. i left you feedback for the transaction, you deserve every bit you get., thank you
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Ok the machine has come up pretty good, thanks to ddstoys for helping me out with ordering translight from pbr. he has been a massive help. Machine was tonight installed in our Cafe, and much to the staffs delight, every body was around the machine wanting a go, and we put in about 40mins before closing times so customers were gobsmacked and were very interested in playing it. this old POS will be back what it was made to do, earn some cash. think ive made it pretty kiddy proof, and with the black vynal stickering around the cab, that should protect the original Art work underneith for future resto, cheers
also ddstoys, ill add more rep points for good trade transaction ,thank you
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Thats great to hear all is good, I would like to see more pics of the final machine... If you don't mind,
and It would be great if you could list your cafe' in here: http://aussiepinball.com/index.php?topic=6356.0 so that AP members can drop by and have a game!
^^^ Well done on your restore! %.% @@*
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No worries Jason
And I do have a flipper kit for the upper flippers If you still wanted to do them ^^^
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No worries Jason
And I do have a flipper kit for the upper flippers If you still wanted to do them ^^^
yes i would take them off your hands if you are willing to part with the kit, i guess you got my email mate? just email me the price and ill send you the cash, ive bodgied up the current min playfield flippers essay but they will fail i recon.
Well done on your restore!
lol well its far from a resto, i changed the machines appearance to suit the shops theme, but its all reversible for a future resto, i just made it look neat but its certainly not done with originality in mind,
Ill take a photo tomorrow, of it in the store, cheers for the kind words and help
Good news now the thing is out of my lounge room, and tax return time, a new mig welder and Swords of fury pinny is on my list of things to buy. this one would be a proper resto to originality. so the hunt begins.
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lol well its far from a resto, i changed the machines appearance to suit the shops theme, but its all reversible for a future resto, i just made it look neat but its certainly not done with originality in mind,
Ill take a photo tomorrow, of it in the store, cheers for the kind words and help
Well, of what I have seen of it so far you have done a good job tidying it up even if it is nowhere near original!
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lol well its far from a resto, i changed the machines appearance to suit the shops theme, but its all reversible for a future resto, i just made it look neat but its certainly not done with originality in mind,
Ill take a photo tomorrow, of it in the store, cheers for the kind words and help
Well, of what I have seen of it so far you have done a good job tidying it up even if it is nowhere near original!
thank you mate
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well, i thought this thing could be a money spinner, but how much of a money spinner i was shocked, if the trend of today was to continue id have this machine paid for with in 2 weeks.
funniest thing is, kids had no idea what it was, most kids had never seen a pinball in person, so i spent a good amount of time explaining to them how to play it. lol.
parents seemed happy to feed the machine with cash, so they could show their kids what they used to play when they went to arcades, before the days of modern computer games. it was very funny, and the fact it is a tacky old average machine seemed to get people more interested. every one seemed happy it was a dirty old retro machine, seemed to catch every ones imagination,
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My friend has a Rock Encore and it's one of my favorite games. It's addictive.