The other Australian Pinball Forum was just mentioned on JJP personal forum ,
I invited them to visit AP forum as well .
A member picked up Bumpers post ( Nice one Dave).
I welcomed them to our forums and to become members and share the love of Pinball .
Is there anyway we can track the number of visitors viewing this forum tonight ?

Please see Davids Post ( I hope I have your blessing David ) You wrote brilliantly mate  , well done
Just reading through these posts we have to laugh. This pinball machine is going to blow everyone away and is such a massive advancement on pinball its not funny. The LCD screen is just one example of developement and its a huge step. Ant68 and ourselves have been privy to far more info on this pin and its only just starting to be shown in any form other than a raw whitewood. Jack is not about profit, he is about building something so spectacular that it will be remembered for years as a benchmark on how good you can make a pinball machine. It is the exact opposite philosophy of Stern where you cut things out whereever possible. With Jack its how do I make every part of the machine the best it can possibly be, from the timber, to the cabinet, to the sound system, to the designers I hire, to the clear coat finish, to the artwork, to the best rulesman in the business and so on. Is it worth the delay, yes yes yes. Will we get a product that is unbeleavably good yes. Are there many more surprises, yes. The deep rules mean you have years of challenges ahead. Will this be too difficult for the novice, no. It will play as far as you wish to take it, just like the Simpsons.

It is very rare to get the owner of a company who is investing millions into a pin to be so excited about his product. The passion he has shown us and the pleasure he is getting over improvements he is constantly making to the pin is something we havent seen before in this industry. Not once has he mentioned profit or returns. He can't wait till its ready and he has his own game to play at home. So many will be dissapointed they didn't purchase one when they start to see the finished product. You can already see little hints of what is to come with the Video and art snippets, but there is so much more.

Never have you seen a pinball with an unlimitd budget before and when you compare value versus ACDC Limited edition for $9250 which introduces nothing new to pinball design, no one revolutionary change, nothing but rehashed ideas and the standard Stern formula it all stacks up very nicely for Wizard of OZ. The drama and lighting effects alone will be worth the money even without the LCD screen, but when all is realealed about how the cockpit on the screen works and engrosses the player and the public, the full value of the screen will be reavealed. Just hold judgement till the full product is revealed and then start saving as it will be a must have pin. Just wait and see what you will get for your money.

There will not be lots of second hand pins flooding the market as one suggested, why would you give up your pin you have been waiting a year to get and thats a showstopper. There may be a couple who decide they can't afford it or need to sell (there always is) but most will definately treasure this pin for years to come. You get rid of dud pinballs, not specials. Why would you even speculate on this with no knowledge of the finished product.

What Jack will do for the future of Pinball and to save pinball from the doldrums its been in for years now with unimaginative pinball machines made from a stock formula with an ever diminishing market and no excitement is to be congratulated to the highest order and this will be proven when Wizard of Oz arrives. If only we could show you more right now but it will all be revealed in time.
regards David S
david@bumper.com.au
www.bumper.com.au for all products
03 9696 9690
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