I have used/tested LEDS from cointaker, pinball-life, rtb, and I dont know where they get them from, but I have never had a failure yet on one single LED and I have purchased over 4,000 leds, in both 555 and 44 style, in all the different colours. Never had one fall out with any of my machines with shaker motors either and I have 8 different games using these Leds. I am not sure which supplier uses the el-cheapo ones that were mentioned ?.

Re JJP paying $500 for Leds per machine using RGP leds, I suspect he was talking a retail full blown price to the end user if they were to buy them for themselves, because good quality single colour leds can be had for 26 cents each(100 each colour min), and when you use say 300 per machine, its $80 worth of insert/General illumination Leds. Games like Bally/Williams get the ghosting roms so there is no ghosting, and other titles have very little ghosting if any. BUT, if JJP are using colour changing Leds for every single purpose, that would lift the price considerably, but not to $500 per machine surely, even if u add in the control gear.

Does anyone know what brand Stern are using in their games, cause I thought they were cointaker ??.
Has anyone had any failures yet, other than a loose ill=fitted Led which came good ?

Perhaps JJP couldnt waste time testing cheaper versions for the games, and since the software had to be written for the lighting, they had to lock in a Led very early in the peace.