I also fully understand that it is the first machine but JJP put themselves in a sticky position by taking peoples money upfront - YEARS upfront.....and then to take money on a second title - please, that's close to fraudulent IMO.

Agree, but there is precedent - Gene with Big Bang Bar was long overdue, but delivered a product better than anything Stern has copied since, and off course we had the MM debacle and the open order form for Cactus Canyon sitting there through it all.

Perhaps we pinheads are just gullible?