Thanks for the photo taking tip tony ill pass it on im sure we will need a few attempts before i get a deccent photo.   And speaking of saving the game the machine im getting the photos of had been sitting in the garage for the last 10 years. Since my offer to help him fix it he has now moved it upstairs and he will now get it going.   He has owned it since 1981 which is as long as ive been alive so im glad he is keeping it and it looks in really good condition aswell.