surf champ help

[cardwhiz]

well, im stumped here...

checked,cleaned,repaired contacts,and steppers,
fitted new credit unit,

turn her on.
back glass lights up,tilt is showing....

no lights on PF....no motor...if i push in and hold the tlit hold relay the PF lights up.

but nothing else happens


any ideas #$# #$#

[Strangeways]

got a schematic ?

Gottlieb's have a "defeat" switch - looks lie a tilt on the bottom board... Feeds power from the transformer. If this is not closed, nothing happens.

Check Fuses

Check "hold Relay" is on...

Double check with the schematics !

[Nug]

well, im stumped here...

checked,cleaned,repaired contacts,and steppers,
fitted new credit unit,

turn her on.
back glass lights up,tilt is showing....

no lights on PF....no motor...if i push in and hold the tlit hold relay the PF lights up.

but nothing else happens


any ideas #$# #$#

something really f**king simple...somewhere!!!!   

 id check tilt and im assuming no reset cycle?  check score motor basic system so to speak so reset cycle can commence

btw i love this EM...that spinner and later bonus is the bomb !

[cardwhiz]

no schematic yet ...
hold relay dosent pull in,but coil checks ok..

will be somthing simple i know..been through and cleaned everything,twice

switch your talking bout nino,is all good



cant wait to hear her reset

[Retropin]

I know this sounds stupid,

 but turn game on - open door and manually close switch to give credits, then press game start switch.


.... Let us know what happens

[Nug]

surely not i had assumed, but then you know what they say about assume !

[cardwhiz]

I know this sounds stupid,

 but turn game on - open door and manually close switch to give credits, then press game start switch.


.... Let us know what happens

.



 nah ...nothing.... ...been at her all day,

 no life except when i hold in the tilt hold relay,then pf lights up

witch is a good sign i think







nah still nothing....bee

[Nug]

its a really fundamental problem so to speak, to not initiate reset cycle when depowered, is odd... for curiousity advance a couple of things out of whack and repower, maybe a clue here or there ?

[Retropin]

Ok.

I dont know the game, but it is a GTB from 75 or 76.

Reason i asked you nto do what i did before is that some of these old EM's have no attraction mode. You can turn game on and its completely dark - nothing. Game only lights up when a coin is deposited.

Ok, but now weve got that out of the way....

Inside your machine is a relay that will feed the power to the PF etc - this is out. if it were a Wms i could point you to it straight away.

But try this - open up the PF with the game on. Now be REALLY BLOODY CAREFUL and manually hold in the 115v relay - use the white leaf spacer to do this - do all the lights come on? With this manually held in - you may even be able to get into reset mode.

If this works then look at the "S" relay - one or more of the leafs is out.

Get back to us again when youve done this - if you dont get back ill assume youve electrocuted yourself and call the ambulance

[cardwhiz]

Ok.

I dont know the game, but it is a GTB from 75 or 76.

Reason i asked you nto do what i did before is that some of these old EM's have no attraction mode. You can turn game on and its completely dark - nothing. Game only lights up when a coin is deposited.

Ok, but now weve got that out of the way....

Inside your machine is a relay that will feed the power to the PF etc - this is out. if it were a Wms i could point you to it straight away.

But try this - open up the PF with the game on. Now be REALLY BLOODY CAREFUL and manually hold in the 115v relay - use the white leaf spacer to do this - do all the lights come on? With this manually held in - you may even be able to get into reset mode.

If this works then look at the "S" relay - one or more of the leafs is out.

Get back to us again when youve done this - if you dont get back ill assume youve electrocuted yourself and call the ambulance

nah, the only switch to light the PF is the tilt hold relay..still cant get it to stay on though.. #$#



still alive but




great new,just gave the fuses a wriggle and she burst into life....f--kn beauty,motor keeps running but



keep you's posted....yessssss

[Retropin]

115V doesnt work?? But TILT does??

Check ALL tilt switches inc door slam, plumb bob, cabinet tilt and the override switch in bottom of cabinet ( the one NIno told you to look at).

sounds like one of these is wrong - TILT is enabled

[cardwhiz]

ok,......as i dont have a schematic.....[if anyone reads this and has one or can do a copy]


she's goin,,,,but the b relay is pulled on.[anyone know what this is]to the extent she starts smokin..


no doubt there'll be other issues,...getting there but

[Nug]

its a really fundamental problem so to speak, to not initiate reset cycle when depowered, is odd... for curiousity advance a couple of things out of whack and repower, maybe a clue here or there ?

X2

[jyebow]

ok,......as i dont have a schematic.....[if anyone reads this and has one or can do a copy]


she's goin,,,,but the b relay is pulled on.[anyone know what this is]to the extent she starts smokin..


no doubt there'll be other issues,...getting there but

The "B" relay on my pioneer (around the same vintage) is one of the pop bumper relays. Maybe a stuck switch is causing it to lock on & smoke.

[Strangeways]

STOP !

Smoking in an EM is a Serious matter that needs to be dealt with properly. It will be a "locked on" coil - either a bumper or a relay. You need to locate the cause of the issue. As mentioned, if it is the bumper, check the switch. The chime and 10 or 100 pt relay may or may not go off, as it is common for the second set of switches on the bumper switch stack to be broken ...

Please locate the smoking coil.

It could even be the second switch stack is open - causing the "B" relay to stay "on" - But this will cause the chime coil and scoring coil to stay on.. this is switch issue and it needs to be fixed...

First check - compare the switch stack in each bumper.