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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #405 on: September 25, 2010, 09:37:30 AM »
Shansta, I spent a pleasant afternoon scratching my head with Rob over this a while ago, we produced no result but I thought we were making progress?  I reckoned there is a problem around the Q relay - I made some notes on a copy of the schematic that may help. PM me your email address and I'll send them through if you'd like.


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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #406 on: September 25, 2010, 10:05:43 AM »
Shansta, I spent a pleasant afternoon scratching my head with Rob over this a while ago, we produced no result but I thought we were making progress?  I reckoned there is a problem around the Q relay - I made some notes on a copy of the schematic that may help. PM me your email address and I'll send them through if you'd like.

Done mate - thank you!

That's what I like about this place - there is always someone who knows more than you do!  ^^^
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #407 on: October 01, 2010, 02:09:25 PM »
yay th mega thread lives!!!  :lol goodluck mate and i hope it all works out for ya!

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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #408 on: October 01, 2010, 05:16:11 PM »
If shane can't fix it atleast I don't have as far to travel to finish what I started  lol

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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #409 on: October 01, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »
If shane can't fix it atleast I don't have as far to travel to finish what I started  lol

True - I'll stick in the back of the Territory...  ^^^
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #410 on: October 05, 2010, 10:44:24 PM »

Shane - Check your inbox  #@#
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #411 on: October 06, 2010, 01:28:26 AM »
Think I just shutdown the optus network in Carrum Downs...  &&

Thank you Nino!  ^^^

Now I just got to figure out which switch to backtrack...  !!@



Anyway - for everyones benefit: Where I am at now!

The Grand Finals were on last weekend, the outlaws came around to watch it - So I spent saturday arvo cleaning switches etc. etc.  :lol

I stuffed around with the 1000's reel (It needs a rebuild - ticks over when you thump the headbox(!))

With the scores not reset ('cause I had the switches wrong) it started from tilt with a ball in the trough - no worries, played out a full game!

When I "fixed" the reel switches so they reset to zero - it goes back to "normal".

Upon pressing "start":

1. If you have a ball in the trough, it steps through all 6 positions of the ball count unit - until game over.

- If you remove the ball as soon as the score motor starts - it stops on ball 1 like it should. If you replace the ball at this point it ticks through all 5 balls and ends the game...


2. When the ball count stops - if you score anything - relay "O" locks in. <-- This is what is NOT happening at step #1.

- You can then drop the ball in the trough, machine resets to ball 2 - and NOW you can use the flippers to launch the ball. Game works as it should until game over.

- I need to find out why the "O" relay is not locking in until you score something?


3. It always scores 1000 when I start a new ball - the 4 switches (2 vari targets & 2 pop bumpers) have been checked.

- So either, it's picking it up from somewhere else - or there is another 1000pt switch somewhere?

- The change from the 100's reel (at 999) to trigger the 1000's reel is flakey and might be related to the above?


So - I have a bit to do.

My soldering station is sitting on the headbox - I keep walking past and looking at the reels...

I know I am going to have to bite the bullet and de-solder the barstard things...  !!!

Take care.

Shane.
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #412 on: October 06, 2010, 09:56:54 AM »
Good luck Shane ... it would have been me with that challenge if you hadn't beaten me to it .

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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #413 on: October 06, 2010, 11:01:58 AM »
Good luck Shane ... it would have been me with that challenge if you hadn't beaten me to it .

Cheers
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Well I put the flipper kits in - so that's one less thing you have to do!   :lol :lol :lol
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #414 on: October 06, 2010, 02:08:25 PM »

Start with adjusting the 100's unit. The "carry over" switch needs to be gapped.

You need the game to reset properly with all score reels at zero.
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #415 on: October 16, 2010, 02:48:01 PM »
Had a quick look at this today (So everyone won't hang so much shit on me tonight...)  #@#  !!@


Score reels: The Zero - 9 switches have got me stuffed?

Looking from the top - the 2 left hand switches stay made until metal lever activates on 0.

It then breaks the 2 left hand switches and makes the middle pair and the right hand switch.

The 1000 reel is set like the above - the carry over to 10000 works fine - it does not reset on zero however?


The 10's has the switches set differently to the above? WTF?

- the middle switches stay on, then the arm makes the right hand switch - then swings back and makes the 2 left hand switches - then breaks them and makes the middle 2 again...

So one reel closes the left switches - the other the middle 2 switches - one of them has to be wrong?


There is a wire (Orange with red/white dots) that has been pulled off the 10's reel switches, and bridged across to the 100's reel switch stack...

Might be a good idea to stick that back where it belongs???!
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #416 on: October 16, 2010, 03:09:24 PM »
Actually - No, putting that wire back killed it - score motor runs as soon as you hit the power switch...  ^&^


So, dummy spat - pulled the 10pt reel apart and found this:





Bloody wiring - good thing I have the Lucas bottle of smoke to put back in...  :lol
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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #417 on: October 16, 2010, 07:14:52 PM »
Grab a new reel when your at mine tonight take a few photos sober can grabthe right one

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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #418 on: October 17, 2010, 08:30:48 PM »
Good pickup, looks like a very clean machine.

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Re: My second pin has arrived - Pro football
« Reply #419 on: November 09, 2010, 11:09:55 PM »
Well the mega thread has to die...

IT'S BLOODY WORKING!!!  $#$ $#$ $#$


Nino was on the money with the score reel switches.

Once I figured out how they are supposed to be set. (They well all originally set slightly differently!).

There was a wiring problem with the 100's reel zero switch being wired to the carry-over switch, which had me stuffed as I was just setting switches visually...  @.@

Once I got serious and looked for continuity from the ball count unit - across all the zero switches - I found the smoking gun...

Nice being able to play a few games with the glass on for a change! Makes it much quieter too!


Now for all the little crappy things like buzzing coils and dirty globe holders etc. etc...  $#$
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