My second pin has arrived - Pro football

[ddstoys]

LOL thats the trick just walk away if its not going right.    With the old relay if you lookat the switch stacks and follow the contacts straight down into the slots on the plastic arm bit should give you some idea as to the original location and if the long switch is closest to the coil then it was Normally closed but if the long contact is away from the coil then the switch would have been normally open. 
 Hope this makes sense

[Ford Fairlane]

Yep totally makes sense. My problem is that im not sure what wire goes to what as its a mess. I mean the relay thats on there now has switches that dont even go through to the plastic arm and just sit there without any movement... grrrrrr 

[ddstoys]

Well for now forget the whole moving arm.  Draw yourself a diagram and work out which switches had what color and what side the long blade is then post it here and i can tell you which ones were open or closed it doesnt really matter which switch you use for which color wires solong as the open or close as they should

[Strangeways]

I have better pictures in my camera - but the bloody battery is flat.

I documented the entire relay - so I will redraw it, scan and attach as JPG tomorrow.

[ajlaird]

Now, where do you live?

Take advantage of Expo and invite a couple of EM nuts back to your place after the dinner - I am sure another beer or two will convince them to fix it for you!

Good luck, you will work it out eventually.

[Strangeways]

Right - I've documented the "M" Relay on my Pro football. I stand corrected on one part - There IS a Jumper between the White/Red (2 wires) and the Orange/White - on the same stack. This is as simple as I can document it ;

One side has 3 pairs, and the other 2 pairs. The coil is below the respective stacks ;

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks heaps for the diagram Nino!!  Any tips on how to clean the cloth surrounding the wire as i swear i dont have half the colours you've mentioned

[Strangeways]

Thanks heaps for the diagram Nino!!  Any tips on how to clean the cloth surrounding the wire as i swear i dont have half the colours you've mentioned

Yep - I was afraid of that !

They would be faded, the maroon was almost a pinkish orange for me.

[ddstoys]

Any updates Rob?   If your still not sure on wire color just look at the contacts and make sure the two wires are switched to the same contact on the new relay if you can take some good side on pics and im sure we can work out which one is the normally closed set?

[Ford Fairlane]

No updates as yet... ive looked at the wires a few thousand times and no luck. The closed contact is maroon and white plus a solid maroon.. i see a maroon and white but no maroon. I guess i just need a sunny weekend with good natural sunlight so i can track the wires back to where they may have more colour showing and work it from there. 

[ddstoys]

Have you removed the wires from the old Relay?

[Ford Fairlane]

No not yet, want to try and match them up to Nino's diagram first but im sure they are all in the wrong order anyway.

[Strangeways]

No not yet, want to try and match them up to Nino's diagram first but im sure they are all in the wrong order anyway.

Rob - Make sure you document the present state of the relay before starting. Take pictures and post here if possible.

[Ford Fairlane]

No not yet, want to try and match them up to Nino's diagram first but im sure they are all in the wrong order anyway.

Rob - Make sure you document the present state of the relay before starting. Take pictures and post here if possible.

Will do!! i really think the current relay is all over the shop but the photos will give me a recovery point 

[ddstoys]

Recovery Point      it doesnt work so it cant get any worse lol  Sorry mate couldnt help myself.  I might have to arrange a flight to sydney soon sound like  i have a few missions there