Author Topic: Wizard Of OZ Pinball  (Read 65133 times)

0 Members and 287 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline pinnies4me

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • *****
  • High Score Initials:
  • Forum Posts:
  • Victoria
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #390 on: March 28, 2012, 11:32:56 AM »
I am over'updates'

The only update I want to read about is 'production has begun'

Hey Pete, Enjoy the journey, it's part of the fun!!

I remember sort of feeling a bit like you for a short time during BBB, but started to learn to enjoy the ride itself, that became just as fun as actually getting the game, waiting for little bits of info or photos to pop up. I haven't got one of these on pre-order, but do have a car that has been on the drawing boards for years just gone into production and now only a few months away, and I am enjoying that journey too.

“If you wanna escape, go up to a pinball machine. There’s a magic button on the front that takes you to a world under the glass and makes the the rest of the universe disappear.”

Offline vinito

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Forum Posts:
  • Kansas City, KS USA
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #391 on: March 28, 2012, 03:45:43 PM »
Hey I remember something about that in a long-ago PM. So the EV is what has kept the Nick & Nug 2.0 pinnie slowed down I assume.

According to this thread, you're supposed to release pictures and updates along the way. No EV sketches, no photos, no funny stories about being grounded during assembly, no beer spilled into the duct work? What's up with that?

Since that's all hijacking and off-topic, I'll just add that I really wish I had the funds for a WOZ. I'd love to jump on that bandwagon if I could.
I feel more like I do now than I did when I first got here.

Offline Caveoftreasures

  • Trade Count: (+16)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #392 on: March 28, 2012, 08:00:53 PM »
RE, how many games per year
It depends on who you think your customer base is
it seems to me that Jack is aiming towards the home collector, rather than operators. with the Stern LEs, I am thinking the same with Garry

I do not know about others, but I would be hard pressed to buy two (let alone more ) NIB games in a one year period

If they only do one title a year and you don't like Woz or say the hobbit, then they won't get your money for a three year period. With stern doing three or more titles per year minimum, if u don't like one title u can probably look at buying one of the others. Maybe more than one title per twelve or eighteen months might be the go.
Behind every garage door could be a pinball collectors
"Cave of Treasures" 55 in my collection

Into  Stern -JJP - Cars , Road Bikes- Jet Skis - Star Trek n Sci-Fi & Electronics    
Beware of Stalkers & Walkers when playing The Walking Dead

My 7yr old son Hunter is my best mate in the world !

Offline Prince

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Forum Posts:
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #393 on: March 28, 2012, 09:36:18 PM »
Jack's done well in branding his JJP business, but what gets me is that the product they're currently making is primary targeted for the home collector. What about the operators? Will they make Pro models like Stern's current model setups??
SC.

Offline Caveoftreasures

  • Trade Count: (+16)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #394 on: March 28, 2012, 10:04:52 PM »
my understanding is that he believes operators will place more machines on site that have more bang for ya buck with the widebody, 27inch screen.3 playfields etc etc.

iF JJP puts a WOZ in every place he has put his poker machines, he has hundreds of sites already raring to go.  Maybe people in casinos will enjoy and play the WOZ. (seeing lots of 50 to 80 year olds line-ing up to play a WOZ at a casino would be a great photo.lol)

But seriously, Maybe sites are already lined up for alot of WOZ machines ?  Ask Tony's(ANT's) opinion re site operators with this one, he knows Jack well).

the costings in the USA are much more attractive than the inflated prices we pay over here. (add $1500 plus because of all the extra shipping etc).
Behind every garage door could be a pinball collectors
"Cave of Treasures" 55 in my collection

Into  Stern -JJP - Cars , Road Bikes- Jet Skis - Star Trek n Sci-Fi & Electronics    
Beware of Stalkers & Walkers when playing The Walking Dead

My 7yr old son Hunter is my best mate in the world !

Offline Prince

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Forum Posts:
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #395 on: March 28, 2012, 10:27:34 PM »
Won't work over here Brett. Who's going to pay $9k on a product with little return?
Let's use Stern's Transformers pin for example. There's only 2 x units that I know off, located on site here in Melbourne.
Many on the coast or Brisbane for the matter?
SC.

Offline Caveoftreasures

  • Trade Count: (+16)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #396 on: March 28, 2012, 11:01:18 PM »
JJP must have a plan for the WOZ with site operators in the USA ?  I see your point, it will be a different story over here placing one on site thats for sure.

U are correct, $9,000 is alot of money to site a machine etc. There are not that many of anything brand new, up here sited either. The few operators I do know of, make morer money siting them in the lunch rooms of corporate companies on a short to long term basis. That way, the machines get looked after, only played by 10 or 20 staff members, and set to freeplay. Thats the most profitable way to site a machine I am told, by a bloke who has been renting/siting stuff for 20 years.

Does anyone have any info about JJP's plans to site WOZ, or any info from Jack about his ideas to secure operators. I only know of his original idea that people will site a better machine over a lesser machine, hence his aim to make a "better" machine allround. Any news releases to do with operators and JJP in the USA would be good !  ^^^
Behind every garage door could be a pinball collectors
"Cave of Treasures" 55 in my collection

Into  Stern -JJP - Cars , Road Bikes- Jet Skis - Star Trek n Sci-Fi & Electronics    
Beware of Stalkers & Walkers when playing The Walking Dead

My 7yr old son Hunter is my best mate in the world !

Offline Ant68

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
  • Brisbane
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #397 on: March 28, 2012, 11:11:29 PM »
Jack is an operator , so he's ideas are
Make it bright and noticable
Include a LCD to attract people to the machine and make them want to play it
Have an awesome Attract mode to lure people to it ( mainly via LCD)
A lot of eye candy on the PF
Each operator gets a Note Acceptor fitted to there WOZ complements of Jack to help generate earnings (people don't carry  coins around these days )  .
He may also include another bonus item for the operators to help with earnings .
Interactive topper
PDI Glass for better viewing .  

He is also making the PRO version which he has sold quite a few, which is more geared for the opertor .



my understanding is that he believes operators will place more machines on site that have more bang for ya buck with the widebody, 27inch screen.3 playfields etc etc.

iF JJP puts a WOZ in every place he has put his poker machines, he has hundreds of sites already raring to go.  Maybe people in casinos will enjoy and play the WOZ. (seeing lots of 50 to 80 year olds line-ing up to play a WOZ at a casino would be a great photo.lol)

But seriously, Maybe sites are already lined up for alot of WOZ machines ?  Ask Tony's(ANT's) opinion re site operators with this one, he knows Jack well).

the costings in the USA are much more attractive than the inflated prices we pay over here. (add $1500 plus because of all the extra shipping etc).


Offline Pop Bumper Pete

  • Trade Count: (+4)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
  • Ballarat
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #398 on: April 01, 2012, 05:21:24 AM »
art work is out
http://library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1104524641178-156/WOZ+Playfield+.pdf

Judging from the Woz forums, I must be the only person who does not like it

Maybe it will look better when on a populated playfield

Offline Ant68

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
  • Brisbane
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #399 on: April 01, 2012, 06:05:21 AM »
March 31, 2012

Greetings Pinball Fans,
 
It is with great pleasure and pride that we are able to reveal the playfield artwork today for our Wizard of Oz Pinball Machine.
 
This has been in the works since last July when Greg Freres along with Keith Johnson started getting into the rules of the game.
 
Jack would love to say that we did not lose time in the playfield artwork approval process but we probably lost a few weeks in the back and forth but it was worth the result.
 
Jack is quoted "The approval process has taken several weeks and the result was well worth it. We do not believe in cutting and pasting already existing artwork from a licensor and slapping it on our Pinball Machines. Greg has tirelessly worked to create this with passion and if I hired any old artist we could have had playfield artwork completed last July. Greg is, in my opinion, the best pinball artist of today because of the time he takes, his talent and his passion for pinball and we are truly proud of his work."
 
Greg Says:
 
Welcome to the long-awaited WB-approved playfield art for the Wizard of Oz. I've read so many posts over the past couple months and understood the pain y'all were going through. I was inspired by many of your posts when you first saw the castle playfield so thanks for helping me get through the last stages of the design process. I am still not used to having so many people be so aware of a project...it's been a bit unnerving to say the least.
 
When we first started the project there were two major elements that I used as the springboard - the fact that we were going to use "hand-drawn" artwork and the idea that the playfield was somehow divided between the Good Witch/Bad Witch sides of the storyline. And when Joe's design started coming to life and there really was a nice division between the two sides this was a great starting point to think about how the art would also be divided.
 
I'll have more to say in the near future about all the background that went into the steps I took to get this where it is today but one of the things when dealing with a license is working within the constraints and limitations they provide. With that said, I can honestly say this is a combination of hand-drawn and photo related elements to remain true to the licensor's requests. My goal was to create as much visual unity or continuity between the design elements so the end result was one flowing piece of art.
 
The great thing about this playfield is the organic layout that Joe has created with the myriad of shots. Since my last commercial game, Revenge from Mars, I had become accustomed to working with the "fan" style layout which can be somewhat easier for an artist to work with. I think my work on WNBJM was a good warm up for this layout because, it too was more organic in its design approach.
 
One of the visual anchors for this layout, the spiraling Yellow Brick Road, was one of the first elements I created to get the design process started. Interestingly enough, the placement of the Wicked Witch at the bottom came along later in the development but it made sense immediately because of the Ruby Slipper Flippers. She's gotta' get those shoes!
 
Now that the suspense is over, I hope you enjoy the look and feel of this piece. Don't forget you are only looking at one piece of the puzzle - there are a lot more visuals that make a playfield a cohesive unit and I too can't wait to see all of Matt's dimensional elements push this over the top. Once the game is together we are sure the entire package will become an entertaining trip down the Yellow Brick Road. Cheers, Greg
 
There are still many surprises to reveal as the assembly of the game moves forward. The plan is to have a game on a public location in May. More to follow.

Offline swinks

  • Trade Count: (+18)
  • ******
  • High Score Initials:
  • Forum Posts:
  • Lake Macquarie, NSW
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #400 on: April 01, 2012, 08:30:29 AM »
a reduced image
https://swinks.com.au

for pinball parts (reproduction & mods)
for pinball t-shirts

Offline pinnies4me

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • *****
  • High Score Initials:
  • Forum Posts:
  • Victoria
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #401 on: April 01, 2012, 08:37:52 AM »


Looks a bit Stern-ish to me, photoshop special. Way too much blank space in that brown area, and not that attractive a brown (or whatever colour it is). I don't mind the cabinet art, but not too keen on the playfield from first impressions. I'm guessing the ramps and stuff will temper it a bit.
“If you wanna escape, go up to a pinball machine. There’s a magic button on the front that takes you to a world under the glass and makes the the rest of the universe disappear.”

Offline Ant68

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • ******
  • Forum Posts:
  • Brisbane
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #402 on: April 01, 2012, 10:22:40 AM »

Offline coon82

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Forum Posts:
  • Melbourne
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #403 on: April 01, 2012, 10:39:00 AM »
My first reaction was that it wasn't quite what I was expecting but only because of the build-up and delays of approval etc for the playfield, but I wouldn't go as far as saying I don't like it. It's hard to judge it in isolation as this is just another piece of the puzzle. When it all comes together, that's when all the colour choices, designs, sounds, music and inclusions will bring it to life.
I'm still very confident it will look great once the playfield is fully populated and we can see the complete machine full of toys.
Wanted:   Black Hole (1981Gottlieb)

Offline coon82

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • *****
  • Forum Posts:
  • Melbourne
Re: Wizard Of OZ Pinball
« Reply #404 on: April 01, 2012, 10:43:34 AM »
Great inclusion with the mockup link Ant68. *%*
Seeing that reinforces that it will be something special.
Wanted:   Black Hole (1981Gottlieb)