Wizard Of OZ Pinball

[Strangeways]

Does anyone think the delay upon delay will hurt JJP's reputation in the market place ??? 

I can only speak for myself, it is not the delays that have hurt JJP. I did expect that he would never ship back in December 2011
what pissed me off the most is him asking for payments for 'The Hobbit' before anybody has recieved their WoZ

I will not be buying this game  because of this and Jacks answer posted on his private forum when qusestioned about it

I'm not a WOZ buyer, but I would find it almost offensive to ask for deposits on the second game, when his staff should be working 24 X 7 to get WOZ up and running and distributed.

[Caveoftreasures]

Another interesting thing about promoting the Hobbit pinball, is that you cost yourself orders on the WOZ std models......I thought it would have been smarter to push WOZ, and nothing but WOZ, get as many sales from that model as u possibly could, and only after you have wrung the neck out of every last Woz order, then promote Hobbitt....

But what can u do, he has to promote both models.......so its a hard one to know whether you should do it the Woz way only or promote both....

It keeps getting back to the same scenairio, this is a hard industry. Even Gary Stern says he still hasnt got the business model right after 30 plus years....

[dendoc]

In a position to get one of the WOZ LE unsold. What do members think would be a negotiable price, and should I go for it?

[Pop Bumper Pete]

In a position to get one of the WOZ LE unsold. What do members think would be a negotiable price, and should I go for it?

I do not think you will have any negotiating room
I would bet the seller is prepared to wait until someone meets his price

[Caveoftreasures]

An update I found re JJP.

They mention that they have just ordered 1500 board sets to put in the machines and that the boards might be ready by the end of Febuary 2013 ??

Seems very late in the piece to just be ordering/designing boards ????

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/The-Wizard-of-Oz-to-hit-NYC---Code-Update-Video.html?soid=1104524641178&aid=KIP5wuJP2Qs

Anyway, something is happening, but with the design of the machine, with the boards being in the bottom of the cabinet, it would seem that the production is severely hampered without the boards to put in first, then everything else gets built around the steel box etc.
But they might just do everything else, and reopen the machines later, and fit the boards when they arive etc. Hope the final board design is 1 million percent tested or it could turn into a nightmare for Jack.

Apparently the code has been updated as well which is good.

Anyway, things are moving forwards.

Has JJP posted a delivery time for Australia as yet anywhere ??         Its getting closer. Another 4 weeks and the boards will arrive at JJP, then i guess another month to produce some finished machines. Then shipping out here via boat, 4 more weeks, or Air-freight might make things quicker if the cost isnt too high.

Looking forward to hearing about the new code.  

[Caveoftreasures]

I tried.
Had the 1500 boards article been posted here before ?  

Anyway,

Heres a example of jounalism that irritates me.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/doers/2013/01/jersey_jack_pinball_wizard_of_oz_pinball_is_dying_can_arcade_entrepreneur.html

Why do these people who know little, if anything about pinball say it is dying or dead, or needs life support and resus, because pinball worldwide is very healthy and has been for years. Also, do they not know that the pinball industry is huge in a dozen or more countries, with many many businesses thriving and growing, not to mention Stern who is growing and building thousands of machines per annum.

It would just be nice to see a article written by someone who actually has done their homework, or at least knows something more about pinball than the basics from 13 years ago.

Its frustrating that our hobby/pinball industry is described as almost dead, or that it needs saving. I think our pinball industry is a shining example how other industries are not doing so well, but our industry is doing well and the enthuisiasm for our products is at a all time high since the hey days of the 1990's.

[Pop Bumper Pete]

No, the constant asking about delivery and making a fuss about how they will be delivered is acting like a troll

When they are ready to ship, I am sure that this thread and pinside will be full of people posting 'About time'!! !! !!

[Caveoftreasures]

A good photo of someones WOZ.

[Pop Bumper Pete]

A good photo of someones WOZ.

It is a showroom of a distributor

[Sunfox]

Anyway, something is happening, but with the design of the machine, with the boards being in the bottom of the cabinet, it would seem that the production is severely hampered without the boards to put in first, then everything else gets built around the steel box etc.

All playfield cables connect with easy disconnect plugs right to the back of the electronics box (ie. no plugging stuff directly into boards). Plus, the whole electronics box is held down with simple rubber ties and pops in and out of the cabinet with ease. So no, the location of the boards has nothing to do with having to wait to build.

[Caveoftreasures]

Are they waiting to build, or have they strarted.?  I thought that artice said they were building some things or some machines.

It would be excellent if JJP had a dial in website where you could view the factory and see what is happening on the production floor.

Dialling into the companies DVR (Digital Video Recorder - Camera system) is as simple as typing in a web address and u can view the security video system live very easily. I have sold hundreds of these systems over the years. It would be fun dialling in and seeing WOZ machines in different stages.

[Cursed]

Something tells me Pete needs his WoZ sooner rather than later....

Looking forward to playing one, the missus is also keen. I think this will be a fun game and i am liking what they are doing with the screen. Will be hard to play and not watch the great clips.

[Caveoftreasures]

I have sent a letter to JJP and have asked some questions about -

*current estimated production schedule (time to build a machine from start to stop) ie- hrs/days involved
*some general questions about the PC system that runs WOZ
*seafreight or airfreight options
*if full machines are getting built now, and the last item to go in will be the required computer board ? OR if they are waiting for the 1500 boards before production starts
*code update inclusions
*and any further info JJP may like to add for the Australian market/buyers

Hoping some of this info helps people like John(Dendoc) decide about purchasing, and any new info/news that will be good/helpful for the
Aussie AP members/and-or potential or existing buyers etc. 

I am still excited about this release, and even more excited about the Hobbit release cause I reckon that is going to be one special pinball machine as well.



 

[Caveoftreasures]

UPDATE

I already recieved back a email from Jack at JJP.
They are building machines right now, with a schedule to have at least a minimum of a few hundred machines fully built and done by the end of Feb, til Mid March maximum.
They are not waiting for the boards, but are going flat out now and will simply add the final piece being the board when it comes in, then test, then ship the machines both by seafreight and airfreight to Australia. They are trying to consolidate all Aussie machines with the Bumpers order for ease of shipping and to keep costs right down.

They are building machines in short batches to deliver to various countries all at the same time. The USA isnt getting looked after first, then another country n another country n so on, but they are doing machines for all markets, and shipping at the same time so that everyone around the globe gets a percentage and a batch of machines each, according to the original purchase orders.

Jack did say things iether come into the factory early or late, but never on time.lol

Anyway, the JJP production floor is flat out, and they are into it big time which is great news.

Stay tuned for anything else i get as it comes in.

Cavey.



 

[dendoc]

Thanks for the info. Was the email written in blood and sworn on a stack of religious texts?

Not sure about the machines being shipped without the boards - is that right?

Starting to have second thoughts about waiting till others get theres before fully committing.....................