Stern - X-Men Pinball (mid 2012)

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What is 48??

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when you buy 2 x 24's  , but it was a ritchie design

[Caveoftreasures]

Its hard to speculate about other countries brand new in box pinball sales of any title because no real figures are given out (incl the USA) and only STERN has the real figures. The rest is just guessing. The only indirect way to track game numbers is to look at machine serials/game numbers under a playfield.

I am not so sure about people paying more money for late model Bally/Williams titles which can be ? over rated for the money charged. Prices have died in Australia. Every year for the past 3 years, prices keep dropping with many copies/new machines coming in from o/seas container sellers.
Re the USA prices, dont forget they have 400 million people, 20 times the people to share only a few thousand numbers of a B/W title, so prices will be higher over there pro rata because of supply n demand. I dont know how anyone can say collectors in the USA are choosing older games over new machines, thats a guess not backed up by fact IMHO. But yes, B/W dmd machines will always be popular.

I dont believe in the hype tag at all about AC/DC. If the machine was expected to be great, and it was crap, I might call it hype, but when the machine is expected to be excellent, and then it arrives and is considered to be a excellent title by all the owners, there is no hype.

I am just hoping more and more people who have older dmd machines, give the new Pro titles like AC/DC a decent go/try, because value for money, I would take a new Pro over any B?W title any day of the week. The AC/DC machines are that good, even if you dont like Acca Dacca.

I am pumped about the new models coming out of Stern, it shld be a batch of fun looking and playing the new offerings.

[pinsanity]

I dont know how anyone can say collectors in the USA are choosing older games over new machines, thats a guess not backed up by fact IMHO.

As they say on those super fund commercials, "Compare the pair".

This AFM:
http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=221006422627

versus this lowest price ACDC available on ebay with no sales:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-DC-Pro-Pinball-Machine-by-Stern-New-/180815807391?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1976439f

The 16 year old unrestored AFM which started at $100, had surpassed the price of a NIB ACDC Pro model in under 2 hours of being listed. That gives a fairly good indication of what US pinball collectors are choosing to spend their disposable income on in this "crappy world economy".

It is now approaching ACDC US Premium price and there are still 5 days left for the auction to run.

Another?
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=190668457525
A 15 year old unrestored MM which started at $8k should in theory have received no bids since the starting price is more than a US ACDC premium.


Serious US collectors are fairly astute as to what will hold and what won't.

A pinball collector/flipper in the US is currently trying to trade a 1 of 200 only NIB LTBR LE AND a HUO POTC for a Big Bang Bar while the "non-hype" is in overdrive. Not 1 of the approximate 200 BBB owners are currently biting.....

What is the exact number pinnies4me? 188? 198? around that number anyway.



Bottom line is CofT, you like the game/theme and that is all there is to it. It personally isn't my cup of tea, but who cares whether anyone else likes it or not, right? 

[Retropin]

I think you will find the cost cutting days are mostly numbered at Stern.


Of all the ACDC machines sold to members of this forum, over 50% have had a fault/ issue so far... scratches from factory, bodged clear coat, balls getting stuck... one member even had 2 NIB that didnt work at all. MPU's are surface mount components ( cheaper to produce, almost impossible to fix). Some of these are not the great priced model at under AU$6000, but a AU$10,000 super machine

The days of Stern cost & corner cutting will never be over... its what fuels the engine

[pinnies4me]

A pinball collector/flipper in the US is currently trying to trade a 1 of 200 only NIB LTBR LE AND a HUO POTC for a Big Bang Bar while the "non-hype" is in overdrive. Not 1 of the approximate 200 BBB owners are currently biting.....

What is the exact number pinnies4me? 188? 198? around that number anyway.

No-one really knows the real final tally, there were 182 or 183 pre-sold. Then they assembled some more after all pre-sales were delivered and sold them off, at least half a dozen, maybe a couple more. All I know is that it was not more than 198 - they started with 200 playfields and I have one spare and know of one other, so 198 is the cap.

I saw that post and thought it a bit cheeky, offering a couple of readily sourced games, but you never know, it was worth a post by the guy chasing the BBB just in case.

[Cow Corner]

The movie opens today!!
Taking the kids to see it this arvo after the Anzac day march in the city.

[Caveoftreasures]

PINSANITY,
Alot of the things you have said I agree with. You know this industry very well, as do I.  Whether its a older machine B/W, or a ACDC or perhaps the new Avengers Pinball that may be coming out, it doesnt matter what machine is selling, as long as they are selling. Thats what keeps this pinball industry/hobby pumping along and healthy. We all have diverse tastes and diverse collections, and thats what makes this a really interesting hobby.
I am not saying anything u are saying is wrong, not at all, I am just looking at some things from a different angle thats all. We are both correct ofcourse, or both wrong.lol but having differing views makes this place interesting.lol

I used to be on the fence about Stern, but after playing the Transformers Pro, then playing a Tron, then playing a ACDC Pro, I jumped off the fence and became a proud supporter of Stern. Had u have told me that a year ago i would have said no way hosay.

*I have been lucky enough to send and recieve some emails backwards and forwards to Steve Ritchie/Lyman Sheats and a few other Stern heavy hitters, and the energy and the positivity coming out of Stern is exciting to me. Probably to alot of other Stern customers as well.

One day in the next 12 or 24 months I might seriously look into a AFM or a Bally/Williams that u have mentioned, a B/W that i havent got, but I think I would rather buy a BNIB Stern IF its up to scratch for the 6 grand. I am just hoping the new Stern models kick ass, if they dont I will be dissapointed.
It would be a shame for Stern to make up all this new ground, and to lose it at the last second with a new mediocre offering. The next few titles Stern offers MUST be friggin great to keep the collectors happy.  Hopefully, there is alot of people sitting on the edge of their seats to see the new titles, hopefully Avengers.

[Cow Corner]

It was great to see the film in a packed cinema full of fans on opening day as opposed to a much tamer media screening with a few boffins present.
The cinema was abuzz with cheering, jeering, clapping and laughing and many applauded as the final credits began to roll. A rarity these days for sure.
My kids are still awestruck after seeing this and I'm keen to see it again very soon. Bye bye hunger games as the top earner of the year.
I still hold out hope that this will be the next stern title but it would want to be a top shelf effort from the design team to get it anywhere near the realms of what the film achieves otherwise it will hardly be worth the effort.
Stern has a got a massive task in front of them if they choose to do this title and do it right.

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did you see it in 3D or regular. Local cinema has it as 3D so thinking of going at the end of the week.

[Cow Corner]

did you see it in 3D or regular. Local cinema has it as 3D so thinking of going at the end of the week.

3D again, the boys love 3D. I still want to see it in 2D as well, maybe next week sometime.

[Cow Corner]

Couldn't help myself, went and got another dose of the film this morning in 2D.
I prefered this to the 3D by a country mile. Missus chucked a sickie and came along with me, she loved it!
It will be a while if ever before I get sick of this, it's right up there with my fav films of all time. Watching this makes me feel like a kid again going to see star wars or raiders etc for the first time.

[RottyGuy]

Couldn't help myself, went and got another dose of the film this morning in 2D.
I prefered this to the 3D by a country mile. Missus chucked a sickie and came along with me, she loved it!
It will be a while if ever before I get sick of this, it's right up there with my fav films of all time. Watching this makes me feel like a kid again going to see star wars or raiders etc for the first time.

Sounds like you might be trading in the Ironman ??

[Cow Corner]

Couldn't help myself, went and got another dose of the film this morning in 2D.
I prefered this to the 3D by a country mile. Missus chucked a sickie and came along with me, she loved it!
It will be a while if ever before I get sick of this, it's right up there with my fav films of all time. Watching this makes me feel like a kid again going to see star wars or raiders etc for the first time.

Sounds like you might be trading in the Ironman ??

No way in the world, Ironman the pin is extreme and with tony playing such a big role in the Avengers and IM3 slotted for next year this pin will become a classic. It is staying right here with me.
I will be putting  Avengers right next to it if stern come up with the quality goods required to make this pin and do it right.

[Cow Corner]

When will stern be letting the pinball world know what it's next title is, whatever it is?

[Caveoftreasures]

after they sell another few thousand excellent ACDC machines, is when the next title might surface via some media..

I think everything will take a backseat til the ACDC production line slows down, but it might be many months away with Acca Dacca selling so well.

I also cant wait to see what STERN have lined up next, but I prefer to get a Steve Ritchie title, so it might be a while away, unless the next few machines are great from Borg or Gomez.    I think they are going to step things up. I am really interested to see the next artwork.