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How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« on: April 13, 2012, 04:50:07 PM »
I am just wondering can anyone in simple man's terms explain how a IFPA tournament scoring system works to allow for heats in one comp with same 6 comps in total for a tournament.
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Re: How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 07:14:26 PM »
Boy O Boy - this is where we need an emoticon for a CAN OF WORMS.

I had trouble getting explained to me how the points systems works for something as SIMPLE as ONE NIGHT of ONE COMP !
So to work out how the IFPA scoring system works to allow for heats in one comp with same 6 comps in total for a tournament - wheeeeeeeeeeeeew - good luck.

Maybe you need to seek a permit to exhume Einstein  :lol
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Re: How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 09:12:14 PM »

I've heard there are about 30 different versions of the rules, depending on who you speak to. Contact the USA rulemakers if you want a straight answer and get it in writing. A few pinheads have had issues organizing comps and I've pointed them to the chief organizers in the USA.
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Re: How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 12:22:48 AM »
Nino - In my quest for an answer on 1 simple question I wrote off to the USA guys over 2 weeks ago now and havent even had a reply  ^.^  @.@  ^.^
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Re: How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 08:23:41 AM »
This is definitely one area that is very vague. You would think they would have a standard and then everyone can do the same thing.

When you go to the IFPA website and go the leagues section - it lists a whole heap of different leagues. From there you can go to the various league websites and they each have their own scoring variances.

The most common is each league run a minimum of 3 machines and up to 8 machines. Everyone plays in groups of four if possible and the scores are recorded and for example you have 8 people running on 3 machines - person with the highest score gets 8 points and the person with the lowest gets 1 point. This happens for 3 different machines so it gives people a chance to get a better place on each game. Then all 3 scores of all 3 games is tallied up and then the highest scoring person gets 1st place down to 8th place. You then use the same scoring system to record against the tournament scoring.

Anyone starting late in the season or missing a comp gets zero. Say if you have 6 comps you can decide to count each persons 5 best comp results which allows you to miss a tournament.

I searched the net and a few people said a league just submits the peoples name and placings after each comp to IFPA.

To have an event registered with IFPA it needs to be listed 30 days prior to running and means you need to set all your events in advance.

Various leagues said the machines have to be levelled, preferably 3 ball, no extra ball, some opt to run when you get a extra ball to choose a flipper side and only operate that side during the extra ball. The machines can have a slight fault but if everyone agrees and it is the same for everyone then it is allowed.

If you have a windows pc / laptop you could run this software as it calculates for you.

http://www.scottdanesi.com/pinball.php

as it has a option to run a ifpa scoring system, keeps names - you type in the score and it then calculates for you.
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Re: How is a IFPA tournament scored ?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 02:32:23 PM »
found some more info
http://melbournepinballclub.com/LeagueRules.html


Here is some info I found on pinside used by pinball leagues in the states.
We seriously have nearly 70 people in the Pittsburgh Pinball League and we play EVERY WEEK during the 8 week season (3x per year). Players can pick from 3 different days each week to play. We started out with a public location that had 4 games as a regular Thursday night spot, Friday nights are hosted by a different collector (4-50 games) each week and Sunday afternoon is at another public location. Players are randomly assigned to groups of 4 and pick game or order-of-play based on what order they were drawn. They play on 3 machines for the standard 4-2-1-0 points system (ie, a 12 is a perfect night). At the end of the season points are totaled and the top 16 go the A finals, the lower 16 are in B and the rest in C. The average league night takes several hours with plenty of social time. Finals takes 10-12 hours on one day... with plenty of social time.  The top 4 in each division are awarded cash and trophies. There are also 'door prizes' including a free MACHINE given away each year (this year is WCS94). Dues are $20 for the season. There's plenty more to the details, but that's the basics.


here is some more.
The bare bones of league play in BAPA is as follows:

1. Players are organized into four player groups or as close as possible.

2. Four games are played each league night, order of players is rotated each game so that no player gets an order advantage. There are times when people have to wait for games. People socialize, or play non-league games. It's not a problem.

3. Extra balls are not really played. You get to plunge the ball and flip it once. After that, you have to stop playing. (An EB can still be a game changer on games which carry over bonus). Also, if your one flip starts a video mode, or mini pf mode (Battle the Power, Stewie Pinball, etc) you are allowed to play those out.

4. Scoring is 1st: 4 points, 2nd: 3 points, 3rd: 2 points, and Fourth: 1 point. This is different than tournament finals scoring, which is often 4-2-1-0. Giving last place a "pity point" keeps things more friendly to newbies. Nobody wants to end the night with a fat zero.

5. The groups on the first night of league are random. If you do well, you will be paired with the players in other groups who did well. Each week you will be moved into a group with people who scored similarly to you. Thus, in a night there might be a big skill disparity, but over the course of the league season, you will eventually end up in groups reflecting your skill.

6. In cases where there are only 3 players in a group, whether or not players finish 2nd or 3rd is determined by if their score is above or below the median score for all players. The scoring is computerized using smart phones, so the median and proper scoring happens automatically. For most leagues starting out, it's probably fine to just score people 4-3-2 because your odd number groups will be your newbie players, and a few extra points is likely not going to make a huge difference for them in the long run.

7. You have to attend 5 league nights (out of 16) to be eligible for the playoffs. Your performance during the league nights determines where you are seeded in the playoffs.

8. League starts at 8pm. Many people show up an hour earlier to warm up or socialize. A typical league night goes until around 10:30 for the lower skilled groups and 11:30 for the top groups.

9. Four games doesn't seem like much, and for some, it might be possible to make it five games, particularly if some are EMs. However, if you have decent players, four games is plenty.

10. Playoffs is a double-elimination bracket. In BAPA, the bracket is played all the way out and all ties are resolved. It's an all-day affair and a potluck kind of event. Here is the bracket:http://www.bayareapinball.org/elim32.html

11. Another useful piece of software is ALJ Tournament Maker. It's free.

12. The league uses a public location but also some private. The general rule is you have to attend one night at the public location before you can go to the private ones. Some people are especially lonely and/or shower-adverse, and/or not yet ready to accept their lactose intolerance. You don't want these people in your house.
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