i played a machine a guy machine who had the entire vp with dmd  and all that in a Williams cab, was one big screen with everything with buttons all worked and looked like a real machine, but even though it looked the same sounded the same and worked the same, it didnt feel the same and it doesnt play the same, it just feels like another computer game imo, and being 30 years of age my self i have played way to many computer games in my age and pinball is no computer game. so im not a fan, but i did respect the work and innovation the guy put into his pinball cab to make it all work and look good. but yer i dont like them, pinball makes a boring computer game in my opinion, pinball is only cool its real form