Wow this thread turned to shit fast.  
  I get it takes time to build a new game I get it takes time to troubleshoot game.

  I just think the bullshit deadlines and request for full payments are the main issue.   I know if I was a WOz customer I'd much rather hear that there are issues being sorted out sorry for the delays instead of promised deadlines not met one after another.

 Good luck with the manufacturing looking forward to seeing a finished product  

I think its getting back on track again. Some good news from this is maybe the hobbit will be a go and with little delivery issues as they now have the suppliers down pat, hardware/software sorted and experience in production and PR under their belt. Unfortunately like all that buy early in a product like tech stuff will nearly always get a product no where near as good as say gen 4 or 5. Even cars are the same. Series 3 is always heaps better and has all the bells and whistles. The hobbit is the one to watch if jjp is to stay I think