Cheers for the comments guys we are taking it slowly but geez there's alot I need to teach him like looking twice when turning not braking hard and we don't need to take off flat out lol my wife refuses to teach him until he's alot more experienced so its up to me :-) I never dreamt it would be this hard and we have only done 2hrs. 

And yes Blair I'm hoping he keeps this "upright". 

Peter

Mate if you get the chance before you go away, or even afterwards, I'd be happy to take Ben out for a drive or two up my way, sounds like a good excuse to come up really doesn't it!  I am still having weekends off and I have got 6 weeks leave approved from the 20/9 to 31/10.